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【BBC商业新闻】20261110 Business Tod

【BBC商业新闻】20261110 Business Today

【BBC商业新闻】20261110 Business Today

发布于 2026-11-09 · 时长 24:53

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时间英文中文
0:06The chips are down.筹码掉了
0:08NVIDIA在CEOJensen Huang承认他有外遇后 启动了调查
0:13with a suspected Chinese spy.与涉嫌中国间谍.
0:16The news is cold comfort for investors who are on edge这消息对陷入困境的投资者来说是冷酷的安慰
0:20following last week's massive tech sell-off.上周技术大卖之后
0:22Today we're seeing a rebound in Asia, but今天亚洲出现反弹,但
0:25for how long?多长时间?
0:27Oil prices dip as Trump says further attacks against Iran are unlikely如特朗普所说, 对伊朗的进一步攻击不太可能,
0:31despite a hooty strike on Saudi Aramco's offices.尽管沙特石油公司的办公室遭到袭击。
0:35And caught on camera as shoplifting surges in the UK,被摄像头拍到了 在英国的店铺里
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1The chips are down.筹码掉了
2NVIDIA在CEOJensen Huang承认他有外遇后 启动了调查
3with a suspected Chinese spy.与涉嫌中国间谍.
4The news is cold comfort for investors who are on edge这消息对陷入困境的投资者来说是冷酷的安慰
5following last week's massive tech sell-off.上周技术大卖之后
6Today we're seeing a rebound in Asia, but今天亚洲出现反弹,但
7for how long?多长时间?
8Oil prices dip as Trump says further attacks against Iran are unlikely如特朗普所说, 对伊朗的进一步攻击不太可能,
9despite a hooty strike on Saudi Aramco's offices.尽管沙特石油公司的办公室遭到袭击。
10And caught on camera as shoplifting surges in the UK,被摄像头拍到了 在英国的店铺里
11we look at the new tech helping one major supermarket crack down on retail crime.我们看看新的技术 帮助一个主要的超市 打击零售犯罪。
12Welcome, you're with Business Today in London with me, Sally Bundock.欢迎,你今天在伦敦与我合作,莎莉・邦多克
13So we start with the bombshell我们从炸弹壳开始
14revelations involving NVIDIA's chief executive.NVIDIA首席执行官的揭发
15The tech giant, one of the most valuable in the技术巨头,最有价值的之一
16world, has launched an investigation into claims that Jensen Huang had an affair with a woman黄詹森和女人有染
17suspected of spying for China.涉嫌为中国间谍
18The chipmaker said it has no reason to believe its secrets or US芯片制造者说它没有理由相信它的秘密或美国
19national security were compromised and that the CEO was committed to continuing to lead the company.国家安全受到损害,首席执行官承诺继续领导该公司。
20In an email to staff, Jensen Huang said he took full responsibility for what he did,在一封给员工的邮件中,黄詹森说他对自己的所作所为承担了全部责任,
21adding that he had fallen short of his responsibilities to NVIDIA's employees,补充说,他没有履行对NVIDIA雇员的责任,
22board and shareholders.董事会和股东。
23Under Mr. Huang's 30-year leadership, the company has become在黄先生三十年的带领下 公司变成了
24a key producer of the hardware used in emerging AI technologies.在新兴AI技术中使用的硬件的主要生产商.
25What could these revelations mean这些启示意味着什么?
26for the future of the company?为了公司的未来?
27Here's the view of one analyst, Patrick Moorhead, who's founder and以下是一位分析师帕特里克·莫尔黑德的观点,他是创始人和
28of more insights and strategy.更深刻的见解和战略
29We have to separate the short term from the long term.我们必须把短期与长期分开。
30I mean, short我是说,很短
31term, there's going to be no impact.术语,不会有影响。
32And then long term is really going to be based on the然后,长期 将真正要基于
33board investigation and also what comes out of the foreign affairs, China and intelligence house董事会调查 以及外交、中国和情报机构
34chairs at a meeting November 18th.在11月18日的会议上主持会议。
35And we also have to separate impact on the stock versus impact我们还得把对股票的影响 和对股票的影响分开
36on the company itself.在公司本身。
37The company has three generations of technology roadmap that has been该公司有三代技术路线图
38decided on is in there.决定就在里面。
39And NVIDIA has a very competent team of leaders to be able to executeNVIDIA有一个非常胜任的领导团队 能够执行
40that.那个
41Now, if something does come out that says there were some improprieties related to national现在,如果真的有什么 说有一些不正之风 与国民
42security or that Megaspeed was given favors, we could see Jensen Huang leave the company保安,或者说巨速公司得到了帮助 我们可以看见黄詹森离开公司
43and that would definitely leave a mark.这绝对会留下痕迹
44Well, Megaspeed is the company that's based in巨速是总部所在的公司
45Singapore.新加坡.
46Alice Huang is an executive of the company and it's reported Jensen Huang had had黄爱丽丝是公司的经理 据报导黄杰森有
47a romantic relationship with her.跟她的浪漫关系
48我们跟Anna McDonald谈谈 投资战略总监
49Grieves lands down and a good morning to you.格里夫斯下来了,早上好
50So this as as more detail emerges, this becomes因此,随着更多细节的出现,
51more and more complicated.越来越复杂了
52And at the moment, NVIDIA, the company and President Trump are目前,NVIDIA公司和川普总统
53saying they are supporting Jensen Huang whilst an independent investigation is ongoing.说他们支持黄詹森 而独立调查正在进行中
54Yeah,对
55exactly.没错
56So we will wait to see what that independent investigation comes out with.因此,我们将等待看看独立调查的结果。
57It does highlight, I guess, that Jensen Huang has been critical in bringing about this company,这确实凸显出,我猜, Jensen Huang 一直批评这家公司
58which started off as a games chip for the video gaming sector.最初是作为游戏游戏的芯片
59And then other people realized it然后其他人意识到了
60would be fantastic for training large language models.对于训练大型语言模型来说是很棒的。
61So it's been absolutely at the forefront所以它绝对处于前列
62of the AI trade and so successful and so cash generative that actually they are now involved和如此成功 和如此现金的基因, 他们现在实际参与
63with finance in quite a lot of other companies.在很多其他公司里都有资金
64So it really is a very key, key part of the whole所以这真的是整个过程中的关键
65of the whole AI trade.整个AI贸易。
66And there's been lots of issues around protecting US national security还有很多保护美国国家安全的问题
67and protecting US superiority in the race for AI by trying to restrict the number of并保护美国在争取大赦国际的竞赛中的优越性,试图限制
68of the of the most most developed chips that can go to China.最发达的芯片可以去中国
69So this really is quite a sort of key所以这真的是很关键的
70Oh, it certainly is.哦,这当然是。
71And as you say, NVIDIA is sort of the center of the AI story in the US and it's正如你所说 NVIDIA是美国AI故事的中心
72sort of driving the ecosystem as it were.一种驱动生态系统的原样。
73And he is very much the visionary, the man who had the他非常有远见 拥有
74ideas some 30 years ago, and has really driven this company to the point of a four trillion dollar30年前的想法, 并真正推动这家公司 到四万亿美元
75valuation.估价。
76Now the question is, if he has got to step down as a consequence of this, who would现在的问题是,如果他因为这个而不得不下台,谁会
77take over and what would that mean for the the AI industry in the US?这对美国的AI行业意味着什么?
78He has a very flat management structure with 60 direct reports, and he credits that with being他有一个非常平坦的管理结构,有60份直接报告,他赞扬这一点:
79able to give very, you know, gives those 60 direct reports huge amounts of power to go and get things给这60个直接报告 巨大的权力 去得到的东西
80done.结束了。
81But he has been, I guess, the decision maker and he's been close to Trump as well in terms of但是,我想,他一直是决策者 他一直接近特朗普
82allowing certain chips to be sold to China.允许某些芯片出售给中国。
83So he, you know, if he weren't there, I'm sure his所以他,你知道, 如果他不在那里, 我相信他的
84absence would be very much felt because there isn't an absolute successor in place.因为没有绝对的继任者,
85However,不过,
86I mean, this is a huge company.我的意思是,这是一个巨大的公司。
87They will have been considering this at any time one considers他们随时都会考虑的
88keep key person risk.保持关键人物的风险。
89So I think that whilst this will be unsettling, the initial impacts,因此,我认为,虽然这将 不安,最初的影响,
90I think, will probably be quite limited.我认为,可能相当有限。
91And they're more around how do investors feel about他们更在投资者的感受
92the whole AI trade in itself.整个AI交易本身。
93We've got numbers from Nvidia next week, which people will be我们有Nvidia的号码 下周,人们将会是
94looking at incredibly closely, perhaps even more closely now.仔细观察,也许现在更仔细
95Anna, thank you so much.安娜,非常感谢
96Anna甊
97McDonald, they're from Hargreaves, Lansdowne.麦当劳,他们来自哈格里夫斯,兰斯当。
98{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}只是说中国拒绝了要求
99it's involved in industrial espionage against Nvidia.它参与工业间谍 对Nvidia。
100Let's not forget that President Trump别忘了川普总统
101will be headed to China later this month for the APEC summit.本月晚些时候将前往中国参加亚太经合组织首脑会议。
102And the crisis engulfing Nvidia席卷恩维迪亚的危机
103comes at what is a very difficult time for the tech industry in general.技术产业现在非常困难
104Stocks linked to AI与大赦国际有关的库存
105fell sharply on both Thursday and Friday following the Democrats' win control of在民主党获胜后 周四和周五都急剧下降
106Congress in the midterms.国会在中期。
107And they have vowed to crack down on the building of data centers他们发誓要摧毁数据中心的建设
108in the United States.在美国。
109So markets, though, seem to be starting the week, certainly in Asia,所以市场,虽然, 似乎开始一个星期, 当然在亚洲,
110on a bit of a rebound from some of the heavy losses we saw in Asia at the end of last week.上周末我们在亚洲看到的一些重大损失 有点反弹
111So the Nikkei is currently up around 2.5%.所以Nikkei号目前上升了2.5%左右.
112Let's talk to Mark Mahoney, who's its senior我们去找马克・马奥尼,他是他的高级
113managing director and head of internet research at Evercore ISI.担任ISIEvercore公司总经理和互联网研究负责人。
114Good to have you on the program,很高兴你能参加节目
115Mark.马克
116Good to be here.很高兴来到这里。
117What do you expect the reaction might be to this Nvidia story that's你觉得Nvidia的故事有什么反应?
118sort of emerging over the weekend when Wall Street opens later?周末华尔街晚点开业?
119Oh, I'm not sure.哦,我还不确定
120I don't我没有
121把Nvidia当作股票
122It's an unusual event, maybe not unprecedented.这是一个不寻常的事件,也许不是前所未有的。
123I think it will just我认为它只是
124cause more question marks than anything else.问号比其他任何东西都多
125But I think the much bigger news for the market is但我认为市场最大的消息是
126going to be the news from last week and concerns about whether the data center build out will将会是上周的新闻 并担心数据中心是否建成
127maybe not be stalled, but will at least be slowed or made more expensive.可能不会停滞不前,但至少会放慢速度或增加费用。
128And so with that in mind,因此,考虑到这一点,
129what will happen with share prices this week?这周股价会怎样?
130I mean, was that just a sort of knee-jerk我的意思是,这只是一种膝盖球
131sell-off that we saw at the end of last week and we're done there?我们上周末看到的卖掉 然后就结束了?
132Or is this actually a或者这其实是一个
133trend that could last for longer?可能持续更长的时间?
134My guess is that it's not a trend that will last for longer,我猜,这不是一个趋势 将持续更长,
135but there's a series of things that will move the markets and the tech stocks, including但有一系列的东西 将移动市场和技术股票,包括
136in the direction of interest rates, including the direction of oil, et cetera, et cetera.利率方向,包括石油方向等。
137But the one clear message or one of the clear messages from the elections in the U.S. last week但上星期美国大选发出明确的信息
138was I think there were 41 local referendums on data centers and 40 of them were cautious.我认为有41个地方的 数据中心公投 其中有40个是谨慎的
139We're我们是
140trying to slow down the development of data centers.试图减缓数据中心的发展。
141So I don't know that any data centers所以,我不知道 任何数据中心
142under construction currently are going to get stopped.目前正在建设中,目前将停止。
143Whether this slows down the permitting这是否减缓了许可
144for future data centers, I think that's a much greater probability or just requires the industry对于未来的数据中心, 我认为这是一个更大的概率 或者只是需要行业
145participants to come up with much better compromises with local authorities.与地方当局达成更好的妥协。
146Who's going谁去
147to cover the externalities, the impact on power, the impact on water usage, any environmental包括外在因素、对电力的影响、对用水的影响、
148impacts?撞击?
149I think all of that can get negotiated over time and hopefully it'll be done in a way我想这一切可以经过一段时间的谈判 希望能够以某种方式完成
150that's fair to all the parties involved.这对有关各方都是公平的
151But that's my guess as to what will happen.但我猜会发生什么
152It seems看起来
153to me like we're at peak AI data center fear now.对我来说,就像我们现在在顶峰 AI数据中心的恐惧。
154My guess is we won't be here 12 months from now,我猜我们不会在这里 12个月后,
155but it depends on what products and solutions some of the AI companies come up with.但要看AI公司想出什么产品和解决方案
156So from what I'm reading between the lines of what you're saying there, Mark, that your所以,从我读到的行间 你在说什么,马克,你的
157overall, as far as financial markets are concerned, yes, we will see some turbulence,总的来说,就金融市场而言,是的,我们将看到一些动荡,
158but we're not looking at a kind of AI bust story here.但是我们不是在看AI的破故事
159I don't think so.亦不见.
160AI bust story soundsAI 短篇小说
161pretty extreme.相当极端。
162It's possible something like that happens.可能发生这种事
163I don't think so.亦不见.
164I think you've got too我想你也一样
165many companies that have been investing in this substantially.许多公司为此投入了大量资金。
166Look, it's a massive investment你看,这是一个巨大的投资
167cycle.循环。
168It's over a trillion in capital expenditures that's being spent by some of the largest超过一万亿的资本支出 被一些最大的
169companies in the world, Microsoft, Amazon, Google, Meta, Oracle.世界的公司,微软,亚马逊,谷歌,Meta,甲骨文.
170So it's like something we've never就像我们从未有过的
171seen before in terms of the magnitude of the investment spend.从投资支出的金额来看,这是以前的情况。
172But the number of the data但数据的数量
173points that we're getting on the other side on the returns on that investment spend are also我们从另一边得到的 投资支出回报率也
174starting to really pile up.开始堆积起来
175And what I'm specifically referring to is the year-over-year growth rates for我具体指的是 年复一年的增长率
176the hyperscalers, whether that's Microsoft, Amazon with its cloud business, Google with its cloud超大尺度的,不管那是微软,亚马逊的云层业务,谷歌的云层
177business, they're all showing materially accelerating revenue growth and ramping profitability in those他们都在物质上加速了收入增长 提高了利润率
178segments.部分。
179And so if that continues, I think the market will become more comfortable with the AI因此,如果这样继续下去,我认为市场会 更加舒适的AI
180trade.贸易。
181OK, Mark Mahaney, thanks for explaining all of that.好吧,马克马哈尼,谢谢你解释这一切。
182Good to see you.很高兴见到你。
183Thank you, Sally.谢谢你,莎莉。
184Now,现在,
185if we turn our attention to the Middle East, at the weekend, the Saudi Aramco Tower in Riyadh's如果我们把注意力转向中东, 在周末,沙特石油公司在利雅得的塔台
186financial district was hit by falling shrapnel in what the Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Energy says沙特阿拉伯能源部说,金融区被弹片掉落击中。
187was an attempted attack.是一次未遂袭击
188Yemen's Houthis say they carried out the attack and had also targeted the也门的胡塞人说,他们发动了这次袭击,并且还把目标对准了也门。
189airport in Riyadh and Aramco oil storage tanks.利雅得机场和Aramco储油罐。
190Meanwhile, President Trump on Sunday said he was与此同时,特朗普总统星期天说他
191highly unlikely to restart open war with Iran, but warned he could still strike the country as the极不可能重新开始与伊朗的公开战争,但警告说,他仍然可以像伊朗一样打击伊朗。
192U.S. tries to reach a deal with Iran to end the conflict.美国试图与伊朗达成协议以结束冲突.
193Oil prices, of course, are reacting,当然,石油价格正在作出反应,
194falling slightly in early trading today.今天在早期贸易中略有下降。
195A barrel of Brent is trading at around $97.一桶布伦特的交易价格是97美元左右.
196Well, let's go live to Riyadh now and speak to John Sfakianakis, who's chief economist and好了,让我们去利雅得现场直播 现在和约翰・斯法基亚纳基斯说话, 他的首席经济学家和
197head of research at the Gulf Research Center.海湾研究中心研究负责人.
198Good to talk to you again, John.很高兴再和你说话 约翰
199So we've mentioned所以我们提到
200there that President Trump is sort of calming down the rhetoric on his plans for Iran, but also川普总统正在平息 关于他为伊朗谋划的言论,
201they've said a task force intended to blockade Iran's land borders is now in full effect.他们说,一个专案组打算封锁伊朗的陆地边界 现在完全生效。
202What is your reading on where we are?你读到我们在哪里?
203Oh, well, nice to be with you, Sally, again.哦,好吧,很高兴和你在一起,莎莉,再次。
204Quite baffling for a lot of people, and we are in this gray zone where President Trump could对很多人来说,我们很困惑,我们处在一个灰色地带,特朗普总统可以
205decide to attack the region.决定攻击该地区。
206Of course, a lot of the regional players and decision makers are当然,许多区域行动者和决策者
207expecting some sort of an attack, so I will not be surprised.等待某种攻击, 所以我不会感到惊讶。
208Also, I'm not surprised with the而且,我并不惊讶
209rhetoric, the change of mind, of tone, also because of the impact of the midterm election,言论,思想的改变,语气的改变, 也因为中期选举的影响,
210so a bit of politics is playing into the mix.所以,一些政治 正在发挥在混合。
211But there is a third aircraft carrier coming into the但还有第三艘航空母舰飞入
212region around the 18th, 19th of November, and that could change diametrically things in the Gulf.11月18日,19日左右,这可以改变海湾地区的方位。
213What is not changing is the attacks coming from the Houthis, and I think that's very essential.没有改变的是来自胡塞河的攻击 我认为这是非常重要的
214As you mentioned, both the airport and the Aramco Tower have been hit.正如你提到的,机场和Aramco塔都遭到袭击。
215Whether it's sharpened or not,无论是否磨磨
216that's a muted issue.这是一个哑巴问题。
217Still, it creates a kind of a noise about the impact of the war or at least不过,它制造了一种 关于战争的影响的噪音 或者至少
218the corollary and the whole issue concerning the attacks from Yemen.也门发动攻击的必然结果和整个问题。
219So quite concerning news, Sally.莎莉,关于新闻
220Yeah, concerning news, and I would imagine the entire region is on edge.是的,关于新闻, 我想整个地区都处于边缘。
221What are you hearing你们听到什么了?
222about any conversations that might be going on behind the scenes?任何可能发生在幕后的对话?
223We're told all the time that我们一直被告知
224there are various players from different sides talking about the possible end to all of this.有来自不同方面的不同角色 谈论这一切的可能结束。
225Yes, I mean, there is always an involvement, especially by certain countries such as Qatar,是的,我的意思是,总是有参与,特别是某些国家,如卡塔尔,
226that wants to push ahead the diplomacy card.想要推进外交卡。
227But we've seen it before, whereby there is diplomacy,但我们以前见过 有外交
228and immediately a few hours later, there is war.几个小时后 战争就爆发了
229So it's really unpredictable.所以这是非常不可预测的。
230Yes, we do see more是的,我们看到了更多
231of a movement, many participants, Saudi, Qatar, the UAE.许多与会者、沙特、卡塔尔、阿联酋。
232However, Marco Rubio just a few hours然而,马可·鲁比奥仅仅几个小时
233ago said that he doesn't understand the position of Iran.之前说他不懂伊朗的立场
234And remember, Iran is not going to use记住,伊朗不会使用
235all this leeway to push ahead with their demands, and they will be far more aggressive.所有这一切余地 推进他们的要求, 并且他们将更具有攻击性。
236So it really原来如此
237depends on how the world and Trump especially wants to respond to this aggression.取决于世界和特朗普 如何特别想对这场侵略作出反应
238Okay, John,好吧,约翰,
239thanks for talking to us again.谢谢你再次和我们交谈
240John Sfakianakis from the Gulf Research Center.来自海湾研究中心的约翰·斯法基亚纳基斯.
241Still to come,还是要来
242AI and robots take center stage at the Web Summit in Lisbon.AI和机器人在里斯本的网络峰会上占据中心位置.
243But will the conference be overshadowed但会议会蒙羞吗?
244by concerns over a tech slowdown?担心技术减速?
245Around the world and across the UK, this is BBC News.环游世界和整个英国,这是英国广播公司新闻。
246今天你和BBC新闻的Business Today合作
247Representatives of more than 190 countries190多个国家的代表
248are gathering in Antalya in Turkey today for the start of COP 31 with the aim to find a global今天在土耳其的安塔利亚举行第三十一届缔约方会议,目的是找到一个全球性的
249consensus on how to prevent and deal with global warming.就如何防止和应对全球变暖达成共识。
250Australia will this year be leading澳大利亚今年将带头
251negotiations working closely with Pacific Island countries.与太平洋岛屿国家密切合作的谈判。
252There's a lot at stake with scientists科学家有太多的利害关系
253warning this year could be on course to be the hottest on record.警告今年有可能成为最热门的纪录
254Well, Sandhya Sabapathy is桑希娅·萨巴西是
255chief executive and founder of Kaleidoscope, a sustainability and business resilience company.Kaleidoscope的首席执行官和创始人,一家可持续性和企业复原力公司。
256Good to have you with us on the programme.很高兴你加入我们的节目
257So with again with the US saying it will not be in所以美国说它不会进入
258at COP 31.在缔约方会议第三十一届会议上
259What is your hope for progress?你对进步有什么希望?
260Thank you for having me.谢谢你邀请我
261The way I see it is that the我的看法是
262pledge era is over.质押时代结束了。
263It's now more about talking about the cost and companies and countries across现在更多的是谈论成本以及公司和国家
264the world that will win at COP 31 are going to be the ones that are not just talking about progress,在缔约方会议第三十一届会议上获胜的世界将不仅仅是谈论进步,
265but actually showing live architecture and live progress in the area.但实际上展示了现场建筑 和现场的进步。
266The process in COP in general缔约方会议的一般进程
267has been in good tension quite a lot, but I'm of the belief that the core principle of negotiation一直很紧张 但我相信谈判的核心原则
268at COP is still pretty effective.在缔约方会议上仍然相当有效。
269However, smaller conferences like the Santa Marta one,但是,像圣玛尔塔那样的小型会议,
270which was the fossil fuel phase out conference, were sometimes a bit more effective because you那是化石燃料淘汰大会,有时会更有效,因为你
271could talk about more pointed topics as well as have a smaller, maybe more voluntary set up to还可以讨论更尖锐的主题,以及设立一个较小的,也许更自愿的单位,以便
272progress.进展。
273So in my eyes, there is still a lot to be hopeful for, but it's a tough year when it comes所以在我眼里,仍然有很多希望, 但当它来临的时候,这是一个艰难的一年
274to COP 31.提交缔约方会议第三十一届会议的报告。
275Yeah, it's a very tough year because everyone is looking to see delivery on past是啊,这是一个非常艰难的一年 因为每个人都在寻找过去交付
276promises, which includes some 300 billion dollars a year in climate finance for poorer nations包括每年为穷国提供约3 000亿美元的气候融资
277by 2035.到2035年为止。
278That's a big number.这是一个很大的数字。
2792035 is not that far away and yet we've got richer countries who2035年不是那么远 但我们有更富有的国家
280are having to divert funds that may have gone to climate to defence.不得不将可能用于气候的资金转用于防御。
281No, I fully agree with that不,我完全同意这一点
282and I think that one of the key bylines that we're hoping from this COP is that commitment我认为我们所希望的缔约方会议的关键旁白之一是承诺
283to the tripling of the adaptation finance number that you just mentioned and to have clear milestones你刚才提到的适应融资数字的三倍,并有明确的里程碑
284to that 2035 target because so far it has only been that high level target and the monetary2035年目标,因为到目前为止,它只是高水平的目标和货币
285instruments have not been developed quite yet.文书尚未制定。
286The other bits that I'm probably a bit keen on as其他的,我可能有点热衷于
287well is to figure out a bit more on the just transition mechanism.最好能多了解一下 公正的过渡机制。
288So how do we actually那么,我们如何实际
289upscale and re-scale workforces as they need to transition in these poorer countries, the global提高劳动力规模和重新增加劳动力规模,因为他们需要在这些较贫穷的国家,即全球
290south, into a much more cleaner economy?进入更清洁的经济吗?
291And finally, the fossil fuel phase out, as I've最后,化石燃料的淘汰,因为我
292mentioned, it would be really great to actually see that in the final text as opposed to it just提到,如果能真正在最后文本中看到这一点,那就太好了。
293being a fringe conversation like it was in the past.像过去一样的闲聊
294Okay, Sandhya Sabapathy, thank you for talking好吧,桑希亚・萨巴萨,谢谢你的谈话
295to us and we'll keep across COP31 as it progresses.对我们来说,我们会保持整个COP31 随着它的进展。
296But if we turn to retail now in the UK, almost但是如果我们转向零售 现在在英国,几乎
297four in five shop workers have experienced abuse from the public in the past year, according to5个店员中有4个在过去一年中受到公众的虐待。
298new figures from the retail trust.新数字来自零售信托。
299Our retail correspondent Emma Simpson's been given exclusive我们的零售记者艾玛・辛普森 被授予独家
300access to Sainsbury's to find out how the supermarket giant is tackling this problem.了解超市巨头是如何解决这个问题的
301It doesn't get more brazen than this.它不会比这更无耻
302These two have dragged a wheelie bin into a supermarket这两个人把一个轮椅桶拖进了超市
303and are loading it up with booze and detergent.并装满了酒和洗涤剂。
304Shoplifting is rife everywhere.偷东西到处都是
305This pair walks这双腿走路
306straight out.直接出来。
307But retailers are fighting back.但零售商在反击。
308Facial recognition technology is one of the fastest脸部识别技术是最快的
309growing tools.不断增长的工具。
310It's being used at the Sainsbury's store in Whitechapel.正在白教堂的森斯伯里商店使用.
311I've come to see and test我是来看和测试的
312how the system works.系统如何运作.
313To do it, Sainsbury's has put me onto the watch list.为了做到这一点,森斯伯里已经把我列入监视名单。
314So as I go in,所以当我进去时
315that camera is scanning my face and comparing it with images of known offenders.摄影机正在扫描我的脸 并将其与已知罪犯的影像相比较
316Within seconds,在几秒钟之内,
317an alert is being sent to staff in the store.通知店里的工作人员
318The system says it's a match.系统说相合.
319I'm on the database of我在数据库里
320individuals linked to previous retail crime and it's now down to staff to act.与之前的零售犯罪有关的个人 现在由工作人员来行动
321Emma, you've been艾玛,你一直
322if this was real, I would have to ask you to leave.如果这是真的 我不得不请你离开
323This was one of Sainsbury's first stores这是森斯伯里最早的商店之一
324to get the technology.获取技术。
325They say it's needed.他们说这是需要的。
326We see a lot of things like verbal abuse.我们看到很多像辱骂的东西。
327We see我们明白了
328physical abuse.身体虐待。
329I mean, for myself, I've had an incident where someone's telling me, you know,我的意思是,我自己,我有一个事件 有人告诉我,你知道,
330I know where you work and I'm going to, you know, wait for you outside and it can get very scary我知道你在哪里工作,我要去,你知道, 等待你在外面,它会变得非常可怕
331at times.有时
332She says retail crimes now down.她说,零售犯罪 现在下来。
333So far, only 3% of offenders on the watch list迄今为止,观察名单上只有3%的罪犯
334have come back.已经回来了
335In Oxford, a woman enters trying to cover her face.在牛津,一个女人进来试图遮住她的脸.
336She doesn't spot the in-store她没看到店里的东西
337detective on the left.左边是侦探
338They're trained security staff and blend in.他们是训练有素的保安人员 并融入其中。
339They travel around targeting他们到处走来走去
340stores with the biggest problems.拥有最大的问题。
341The shoplifter has been filling her bags with stakes and is店主已经给她的包装了木桩
342intercepted on the way out.被拦截的路上。
343Kerry, not her real name, has been working as an in-store detectiveKerry不是她的真名 一直在当店里的侦探
344for more than 20 years.超过20年
345We're focusing basically on behaviors.我们基本上专注于行为。
346Sometimes you're observing someone有时候你正在观察某人
347you can almost see like in the head, shall I, shan't I, shall I, shan't I.你几乎可以看到像在头部, 我,是不是,我会,是不是我,是不是。
348And then there's,还有...
349you know, there can be a little look up just to, no one's watching, go on, do it.你知道,可以有一个小小的抬头 只是,没有人看,继续,做到这一点。
350How effective is多么有效
351it?是吗?
352This year alone, so since the financial year started, the store detectives have caught 19,000仅今年一年,所以自从财政年度开始, 商店侦探抓住了19,000
353people.人们
354In Sainsbury's?在森斯伯里家吗?
355This is where they gather all the intelligence and evidence presenting it他们在这里收集所有的情报和证据
356to police.给警察。
357It's led to more than 200 convictions this year.导致今年定罪200余人.
358A glimpse of the efforts to tackleA. 概述为克服贫困所作的努力
359retail crime.零售犯罪。
360But is this surveillance a step too far?但是这种监视是不是太远了?
361I appreciate that there's always going to be我很感激永远有
362a small group of people or a group of people who find this type of technology challenging.一小群人或一群人 认为这种技术具有挑战性。
363But the statistics speak for themselves in terms of its efficiency and effectiveness.但是,从统计的效率和成效来看,这些统计数字是站得住脚的。
364And we have to prioritize the vast majority, which for us is the hundreds of thousands of我们必须把绝大多数人放在优先位置,这对我们来说是数十万
365customers and our 140,000 colleagues that work in our stores.顾客和我们的14万同事 在我们的商店工作。
366I've been in retail for 30 years我做零售已经30年了
367and it is the worst we have ever seen it.这是我们见过最糟糕的一次
368Sainsbury's is now expanding facial recognition森斯伯里现在正在扩大面部识别
369technology to 350 stores by the spring.到了春天,有350家商店
370Emma Simpson, BBC News.艾玛·辛普森,BBC新闻.
371Well, global tech leaders全球科技领袖
372are meeting in Lisbon for the annual web summit this week and the growing concerns about the本周将在里斯本举行年度网络峰会,人们日益关切
373artificial intelligence industry will focus minds.人工智能产业将集中精神.
374Also on the agenda, this year's discussions同样在议程上,今年的讨论
375promise to move well beyond chatbots and generative AI and into the world of robotics.承诺远远超越聊天机和基因AI 进入机器人世界
376Well, let's go好吧,我们走吧
377at Cognizant and also co-inventor of the technology that became Apple Siri.以及成为苹果Siri的技术的共同发明者
378Welcome欢迎光临
379again to the program.再来一次
380Thank you, Sally.谢谢你,莎莉。
381So what are you hoping for in Lisbon?你希望里斯本怎么样?
382Well, there's going to be a lot of talk about agents and you know, the web as we know it is有很多关于特工的话题 我们所知道的网络
383going to be changing now that agents on behalf of humans are, you know, extracting data and doing现在正在改变 代表人类的特工 正在提取数据并采取行动
384stuff on the web.网上的东西。
385So I'm personally very excited about announcing this new way of allowing even所以我个人非常兴奋 宣布这种新的方式 允许甚至
386pop shops to be able to run their own agents and their own websites and have those agents talk to流行商店可以管理自己的代理 和自己的网站 让那些代理说话
387each other.彼此间.
388So we're launching that along with the hackathon.所以,我们要启动 与黑客。
389And, you know, there's information还有,你知道,有信息
390全球代理网站(Worldworld Agenticweb.
391And, you know,还有,你知道,
392we're doing this with some partners.我们跟一些合伙人一起做这个
393It's completely open and in the spirit of the web.完全开放,并本着网络精神.
394So these are AI assisted agents, aren't they?这些是AI的助手,不是吗?
395And basically what you're saying is you're基本上,你的意思是 你是
396making this available to anyone, any company, no matter how small.向任何人,任何公司提供,无论多么小。
397Exactly right.没错
398Like the early days of the web, when everyone had a website, we want everyone to就像网络的早期, 当每个人都有一个网站, 我们希望每个人都
399be able to represent their selves and their businesses with agents out there.能够代表他们自己和他们的企业 在那里的代理人。
400But what are the risks coupled with that?但是,还有什么风险呢?
401Because when we've heard about agents going rogue, doing因为当我们听说特工们叛变时
402things that were not instructed by the likes of OpenAI and ChatGPT having to reveal that these诸如OpenAI和ChatGPT等人没有指示的事物,必须披露这些
403things happened in the past, how can you prevent that from happening going forward?过去发生的事情,你怎么能阻止这种情况发生呢?
404Well, when you get an autonomous agent and give it full command line access, so essentially you好吧,当你得到一个自主的代理 并给予它完整的命令线访问, 所以基本上你
405allow it to do anything with your laptop, that's a recipe for disaster.允许它做任何事情 用你的笔记本电脑, 这是一个处方灾难。
406And that's something that we而这是我们
407really are not advocating for.真的没有倡导。
408We're saying we have to engineer it.我们说,我们必须 设计它。
409You have to safeguard it.你必须保护它。
410It has to be trustworthy.它必须是值得信赖的。
411And what it can do is what that business allows it to do.它能做的就是它能做的
412And that way,那边
413you really, really contain these agents.你真的,真的 包含这些特工。
414But how do you prevent people from not但你如何阻止人们
415following that advice or that regulation, as it were, and using agents in ways that照此建议或条例行事,并以下列方式使用代理人:
416are actually detrimental to the company or to others?对公司或他人有害?
417Yeah.对
418So that is your brand.这就是你的品牌。
419It is your company.这是你的公司。
420If you have an agent on there, you better make如果你的经纪人在那里, 你最好做
421sure that it's safe and secure.绝对安全
422And of course, there's a lot of ways that we can run guardrails当然,有很多方法 我们可以运行护卫
423against these agentic systems.对抗这些代理系统。
424And as I said, if we don't allow them, let them loose to do whatever正如我所说 如果我们不允许他们做任何事 就让他们松绑
425they want using your computer, we're much, much safer than autonomously allowing them to go out他们想用你的电脑 我们比他们能自动出去安全得多
426there and hack into various different companies.黑进不同的公司
427So by design, this is secure.所以从设计上讲,这是安全的。
428OK. Babak, it's fascinating.摆 巴别克,这很迷人
429I wish we had more time to pick your brains, but have a good time我希望我们有更多的时间来选择你的大脑, 但有一个好时机
430in Lisbon.在里斯本。 (英语).
431Thanks for talking to us early this morning.谢谢你今早跟我们说话
432Babak,Hodjat那边,把一个关闭
433business today.今天的商务
434Thank you too for your company.谢谢你的陪伴
435I'll see you soon.后见.
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