【最稳更新】【BBC新闻播客】20261104（第二期） G
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 0:00 | This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. | 这是英国广播公司世界服务公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 0:05 | I'm Miami Jones and at 1500 GMT on Wednesday the 4th of November, these are our main stories. | 我是迈阿密琼斯 11月4日格林尼治时间下午5点 这是我们的主要故事 |
| 0:12 | The Democrats take the Senate and the House after a thumping victory in the U.S. midterms. | 民主党在美国中期赛中夺冠后夺得参议院和众议院席位. |
| 0:17 | Donald Trump responds as his Republican Party suffer sweeping losses across the country. | 唐纳德·特朗普回应说,他的共和党在全国遭受了巨大的损失. |
| 0:22 | We look at what this means for America and for the war in Iran. | 我们审视这对美国和伊朗战争意味着什么。 |
| 0:28 | Also on this podcast. | 还有播客 |
| 0:29 | They were targeting and attacking the very idea of America. | 他们在攻击美国的想法 |
| 0:33 | They hate the idea of an America big enough for anyone who looks a little different or | 他们讨厌美国这个大点子 对于任何看起来有点不同的人来说 |
| 0:37 | prays a little different or whose family comes from a different part of the world. | 祈祷有一点不同 或谁的家庭来自世界的另一部分。 |
| 0:41 | Abdul El-Sayed wins Michigan to become the first Muslim U.S. | 阿卜杜勒·赛义德战胜密歇根成为美国首位穆斯林. |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 1 | This is the Global News podcast from the BBC World Service. | 这是英国广播公司世界服务公司的全球新闻播客。 |
| 2 | I'm Miami Jones and at 1500 GMT on Wednesday the 4th of November, these are our main stories. | 我是迈阿密琼斯 11月4日格林尼治时间下午5点 这是我们的主要故事 |
| 3 | The Democrats take the Senate and the House after a thumping victory in the U.S. midterms. | 民主党在美国中期赛中夺冠后夺得参议院和众议院席位. |
| 4 | Donald Trump responds as his Republican Party suffer sweeping losses across the country. | 唐纳德·特朗普回应说,他的共和党在全国遭受了巨大的损失. |
| 5 | We look at what this means for America and for the war in Iran. | 我们审视这对美国和伊朗战争意味着什么。 |
| 6 | Also on this podcast. | 还有播客 |
| 7 | They were targeting and attacking the very idea of America. | 他们在攻击美国的想法 |
| 8 | They hate the idea of an America big enough for anyone who looks a little different or | 他们讨厌美国这个大点子 对于任何看起来有点不同的人来说 |
| 9 | prays a little different or whose family comes from a different part of the world. | 祈祷有一点不同 或谁的家庭来自世界的另一部分。 |
| 10 | Abdul El-Sayed wins Michigan to become the first Muslim U.S. | 阿卜杜勒·赛义德战胜密歇根成为美国首位穆斯林. |
| 11 | Senator. | 参议员 |
| 12 | In Israel talks begin to decide who will get the chance to form a new government | 以色列的会谈开始决定 谁会有机会组建新政府 |
| 13 | and President Zelensky offers a prestigious Ukrainian award to Millenia Trump. | 而泽连斯基总统则为米莱尼亚·特朗普颁发了著名的乌克兰奖项. |
| 14 | The political map of the U.S. has been torn up in a dramatic night of success for the Democrats | 美国政治地图被撕毁 民主党成功之夜 |
| 15 | who've won control of the Senate and House of Representatives. | 赢得了参议院和众议院的控制权 |
| 16 | In a stunning rebuke to President Trump midway through his second term, | 在一次惊人的斥责 特朗普总统 中途在他的第二个任期, |
| 17 | voters delivered what the U.S. media is calling a blue tsunami across the country | 美国媒体称之为蓝色海啸, |
| 18 | with some states even electing a Democratic Senator for the first time in around three decades. | 有些州甚至选举民主党参议员 大约30年来第一次选举民主党参议员 |
| 19 | The Democrats have secured a string of victories in Republican strongholds. | 民主党在共和党据点取得了一连串胜利. |
| 20 | The new Senate is likely to be led by Senator Chuck Schumer of New York. | 新参议院很可能由纽约州参议员查克·舒默领导. |
| 21 | He says the country is changing. | 他说国家正在改变 |
| 22 | Republicans had a choice of following Trump over the cliff even though Trump policies | 共和党人可以选择跟随特朗普渡过悬崖 尽管特朗普的政策 |
| 23 | made American families pain much worse. | 使美国家庭更加痛苦 |
| 24 | We never wavered. | 我们从未动摇过 |
| 25 | We listened to the American people, what they wanted. | 我们听了美国人民的话,他们想要什么。 |
| 26 | We talked to them. | 我们和他们谈过了 |
| 27 | We sat down in their kitchens, in their living rooms and said | 我们坐在他们的厨房里 在他们的客厅里说 |
| 28 | what should we do? | 我们该怎么办? |
| 29 | And they told us and we listened. | 他们告诉我们,我们听。 |
| 30 | And the American people reduced the red brick wall to a pile of bricks. | 而美国人民将红砖墙缩小为一堆砖. |
| 31 | And as a result, there is now a generational remake of the Senate map | 因此,现在有代代相传的 重塑元老院地图 |
| 32 | that is going to change America now and on into the future. | 这将会改变美国 现在和将来。 |
| 33 | Donald Trump wasn't on the ballot, but he told people to vote as if he were. | 唐纳德·特朗普没有参加投票,但他告诉人们要像他一样投票. |
| 34 | So how has he reacted to the Republicans' defeat in their strongholds? | 那么他对共和党在据点的失败有什么反应? |
| 35 | He spoke to Fox News. | 他和福克斯新闻公司谈过了 |
| 36 | People agree with what I'm doing on Iran, but they really probably weren't willing to | 人们同意我在伊朗问题上所做的,但他们真的可能不愿意 |
| 37 | do the short-term consequences of paying more for gasoline. | 付出更多汽油的短期后果。 |
| 38 | And that, you know, I understand that. | 而且,你知道,我明白这一点。 |
| 39 | That's it's like I don't agree with it. | 即是如来不赞同. |
| 40 | And I would say to people, you know, it's a short-term problem, but for long-term gain. | 我想对人们说,你知道, 这是一个短期的问题, 但是为了长期的利益。 |
| 41 | But, you know, is it too bad? | 但是,你知道,是不是太糟糕了吗? |
| 42 | Despite this landslide, President Trump still retains the power to veto bills | 尽管这次滑坡,特朗普总统仍保留否决法案的权力. |
| 43 | from Congress that don't have a two-thirds majority. | 国会没有三分之二多数票 |
| 44 | He was also asked about working with a Democratic House and Senate. | 他还被问及与民主院和参议院合作的情况. |
| 45 | They'll send over things that are insane and I'll veto them. | 他们会把那些疯狂的东西寄出去 我会否决的 |
| 46 | And after a couple of months of vetoes, they'll call and they'll say, | 过了几个月的否决,他们会打电话说, |
| 47 | how do we get this stuff done? | 我们怎么把这东西弄好? |
| 48 | And we'll work together. | 则同心协力. |
| 49 | You know, I have a lot of friends that are Democrats, believe it or not. | 我有很多朋友是民主党人 信不信由你 |
| 50 | I've already spoken to some of them. | 我已经跟其中一些人谈过了 |
| 51 | I've had four calls from meaningful Democrats. | 我接到了四次来自民主党的电话 |
| 52 | But I have the power of veto and the power of veto is, you know, it's impervious. | 但我有否决权 否决权是,你知道的, 它是无懈可击的。 |
| 53 | The astonishing victory for the Democrats was underestimated by the pollsters. | 民主党的惊人胜利被民意调查者低估. |
| 54 | So what was behind it? | 后面是什么? 后面是谁? |
| 55 | Was it a dislike for President Trump? | 川普总统不喜欢吗? |
| 56 | Valerie Sanderson asked our correspondent, Normia Iqbal, | 瓦莱丽·桑德森问记者诺米娅·伊克巴尔 |
| 57 | what she sees as the biggest reason the tie turned against Republicans in this election. | 她认为最大的原因 共和党在这场选举中转而反对共和党。 |
| 58 | I think it's hard to look at it as being totally against Trump | 我觉得很难把它看成完全反对特朗普 |
| 59 | because he still has a lot of support. | 因为他仍然有很多支持。 |
| 60 | I think the big reason voters rejected him is the cost of living. | 我认为选民拒绝他的大原因是生活费用. |
| 61 | People have been feeling poorer. | 人们一直觉得贫穷。 |
| 62 | They're blaming President Trump. | 他们责怪川普总统 |
| 63 | So if you look at inflation, the cost of groceries, everyday essentials, his tariffs, | 所以,如果你看通货膨胀, 杂货的成本,日常必需品, 他的关税, |
| 64 | they have added to concerns about rising prices. | 它们增加了对价格上涨的关切。 |
| 65 | The Iran war, I think has played a huge role in this, a war that he is trapped in. | 我认为,在伊朗战争中,他发挥了巨大作用,他陷入了这场战争。 |
| 66 | And that has added to concerns about rising prices, petrol prices, for example. | 这增加了人们对价格上涨的关切,例如汽油价格。 |
| 67 | And I think generally speaking, it's this sense that rather than being America first, | 我一般认为, 这是一种感觉, 而不是首先做美国, |
| 68 | which was just concentrating on what's happening inside the US, | 它只是专注于 在美国发生的事情, |
| 69 | he's been involved in foreign conflicts in these other sort of potential battles | 他卷入了外国冲突 参与其他类型的战斗 |
| 70 | rather than dealing with people's everyday problems. | 而不是处理人们的日常问题。 |
| 71 | If you look at where he's lost power, places that were reliably Republican as well, | 如果你看看他失去权力的地方 那些也可靠地共和党人的地方 |
| 72 | I think that his world has entirely changed now. | 我认为他的世界已经完全改变。 |
| 73 | Well, you say his world has changed. | 你说他的世界变了 |
| 74 | So what does it mean for him going forward? | 那对他前进意味着什么? |
| 75 | Because he still has this crucial veto, doesn't he? | 因为他仍然拥有如此关键的否决权,不是吗? |
| 76 | He does. | 他这样做。 |
| 77 | And his political world has changed because he's weaker. | 而他的政治世界也因他软弱而改变. |
| 78 | But he's not powerless. | 但他不是无能为力。 |
| 79 | Of course, he's still the US president. | 当然,他仍然是美国总统. |
| 80 | I think for him now, and he has talked about being Mr. | 我现在为他着想,他谈论过做Mr. |
| 81 | Veto, | 维托, |
| 82 | that he will veto a lot of things, which he can. | 他将会否决很多他能否决的事情。 |
| 83 | And I think his remaining two years in office is going to be very, very difficult for him | 我觉得他剩下的两年在任 对他来说是很难的 |
| 84 | because Democrats can now do all sorts of things. | 因为民主党人现在可以做各种各样的事情。 |
| 85 | They can block legislation. | 他们可以阻止立法。 |
| 86 | They can investigate him. | 他们可以调查他 |
| 87 | And in fact, they're threatening to do that. | 事实上,他们威胁要这么做。 |
| 88 | He still has influence in terms of foreign policy. | 他在外交政策方面仍有影响. |
| 89 | That's what's really interesting. | 这是真正有趣的。 |
| 90 | And he is in that twilight zone now, his last two years, | 他现在在暮光区 他的最后两年 |
| 91 | where he'll be legacy building. | 在那里他将成为遗产建筑。 |
| 92 | I think the bigger thing for him will be, is he still influential? | 我觉得对他来说更大的事情是,他仍然有影响力吗? |
| 93 | There's a difference between being powerful and being influential. | 强势和有影响力是有区别的. |
| 94 | We see Barack Obama, for example, on the campaign trail with Abdel Al-Sayed, | 例如,我们看到巴拉克·奥巴马在与阿卜杜勒·赛义德的竞选路线上, |
| 95 | who won in Michigan. | 他在密歇根州赢了 |
| 96 | He's not the president, but he's still influential. | 他不是总统,但他仍然有影响力. |
| 97 | So it's going to be very interesting to see if Republicans | 所以看看共和党人是否 |
| 98 | start moving away from President Trump, who will still want to be influential, by the way. | 开始远离特朗普总统, |
| 99 | I don't think lame duck is something that anyone would necessarily associate Donald Trump with, | 我不认为跛脚的鸭子 是任何人 必然与唐纳德特朗普, |
| 100 | even though he is in his lame duck era. | 虽然他已经进入了烂鸭时代 |
| 101 | He will still want to have a say over who the next leader is of the Republican Party. | 他仍然想对共和党的下一位领袖拥有发言权. |
| 102 | Well, let's think of leaders of the Democratic Party. | 让我们想想民主党的领导人 |
| 103 | You mentioned Abdel Al-Sayed. | 你提到阿卜杜勒·赛义德 |
| 104 | What a stunning victory in Michigan. | 密歇根的胜利真是惊人 |
| 105 | I mean, looking forward, is he one of the key people to watch for the Democrats in 2028? | 我的意思是,展望未来,他是2028年观看民主党的关键人物之一吗? |
| 106 | He won Michigan. | 他赢了密歇根州。 |
| 107 | And Michigan is a swing state. | 而密歇根州是一个摇摆状态. |
| 108 | You could argue if you win Michigan, then you could win a presidency. | 如果你赢了密歇根,你就可以争辩, 然后你可以赢得主席。 |
| 109 | I think there are lots of other names that come to mind first. | 我认为有许多其他名字是先想到的。 |
| 110 | Keep an eye on Jon Ossoff in Georgia. | 留意乔治亚州乔恩·奥索夫. |
| 111 | James Tallarico, amazingly, that victory he pulled off in Texas. | 詹姆斯·塔拉里科,令人惊奇的是,他在德克萨斯州取得的胜利。 |
| 112 | He could be talked about. | 他可以谈论。 |
| 113 | 皮特·布蒂吉格(英语:Pete Buttigieg). | |
| 114 | I think there's still those other names like Gavin Newsom as well, the California governor. | 我想还有加文·纽森 加州州长之类的人 |
| 115 | We're still doing the midterms, but already, I think in the next day or two, | 我们还在做期中测试,但已经,我想 在第二天或第二天, |
| 116 | everyone will be talking about 2028. | 每个人都会谈论2028年。 |
| 117 | It'll be very interesting to see what happens to the Republican Party moving forward, | 看到共和党前进的结局会很有趣 |
| 118 | because this is brutal for them. | 这对他们来说是残酷的 |
| 119 | Keep an eye on those Republicans who are very MAGA-aligned, | 留意那些非常与MAGA结盟的共和党人 |
| 120 | who are slowly going to move away from Donald Trump. | 他们要慢慢离开唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 121 | I think MAGA will still exist in some way, and Donald Trump will still want it to exist. | 我认为MAGA会在某些方面继续存在,唐纳德·特朗普仍然希望它存在. |
| 122 | But right now, after these midterm elections, | 但现在,经过这些中期选举, |
| 123 | it looks like Trump and everything he represents could be a toxic brand. | 看起来特朗普和他代表的一切 都可能是有毒的品牌 |
| 124 | Namiya Iqbal. | 南宫伊克巴尔. |
| 125 | Now, Democrats won in Republican states that weren't competitive even a year ago. | 现在,民主党人赢得了共和党各州的胜利,连一年前都没有竞争对手. |
| 126 | South Carolina, Maine, Ohio and Kansas. | 南卡罗来纳州,缅因州,俄亥俄州和堪萨斯州. |
| 127 | In several of these races, Trump had chosen the Republican candidate himself. | 在其中的几场比赛中,特朗普亲自选择了共和党候选人. |
| 128 | Texas was one of those, and one of the biggest rejections of all. | 德克萨斯是其中之一, 也是最大的拒绝者之一。 |
| 129 | James Tallarico winning a Senate seat for the Democrats for the first time in almost 40 years. | 詹姆斯·塔拉里科在近40年中首次为民主党赢得参议院席位. |
| 130 | The first seven-year-old wasn't even born the last time that happened. | 初七小儿未生乃至最后发生. |
| 131 | It was, he said, a David and Goliath moment. | 他说,这是大卫和高丽的时刻。 |
| 132 | We just sent a message to every billionaire mega-donor, every trillionaire mega-donor, | 我们刚刚向每个亿万富翁的巨型捐赠者 每一个万亿富翁的巨型捐赠者发出一个信息 |
| 133 | every corrupt defender of this broken political system. | 每一个腐败的捍卫者 这个破碎的政治制度。 |
| 134 | In this state, in this country, power belongs to the people. | 在这个州,在这个国家,权力属于人民. |
| 135 | Our North America correspondent, Gary O'Donoghue, was there as a result became clear. | 我们的北美记者Gary O'Donoghue在那里,结果变得很清楚。 |
| 136 | It's happened. | 发生了 |
| 137 | Democrats have taken back Texas. | 民主党夺回德州. |
| 138 | I think this is a great day for Texans who finally have their voices heard after years | 我觉得今天对德克萨斯人来说是美好的一天 多年来终于听到他们的声音了 |
| 139 | of having outside interests decide what we get to think and do out here. | 由外界来决定我们的想法和工作 |
| 140 | I think it's fantastic. | 我觉得很棒 |
| 141 | I didn't think this day would happen again. | 我没想到今天还会这样 |
| 142 | I'm from Texas. | 我来自德州 |
| 143 | I remember when Ann Richards won governor, | 我记得当安·理查兹赢得州长 |
| 144 | the fact that a Democrat hasn't been elected to state what office is incredible. | 一个民主党人还没有当选 来说明什么职位是不可思议的 |
| 145 | How are you going to celebrate? | 你要怎么庆祝? |
| 146 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 147 | I don't know because I didn't know what this is going to be like. | 我不知道,因为我不知道 这将是什么样子。 |
| 148 | We are all hoping. | 我们都希望。 |
| 149 | We're ever hopeful, but you never know. | 我们一直充满希望 但你永远不知道 |
| 150 | How are you going to celebrate? | 你要怎么庆祝? |
| 151 | I'm going to celebrate with my friends right here like this. | 我要在这里和我的朋友一起庆祝 |
| 152 | Another cocktail? | 再来一杯鸡尾酒? |
| 153 | USA. | 美国。 |
| 154 | I'm sober, but that's okay. | 我很清醒,但没关系。 |
| 155 | I'm still going to celebrate. | 我还是要去庆祝。 |
| 156 | What do you think? | 你觉得呢? |
| 157 | What am I doing? | 我在干吗? |
| 158 | What? | 你说什么? |
| 159 | You got both of them. | 你得到了他们两个。 |
| 160 | I cannot believe this at all. | 我简直不敢相信 |
| 161 | This is amazing. | 这是惊人的。 |
| 162 | Never in my lifetime has Texas been blue. | 德克萨斯从来就没有蓝过 |
| 163 | We're blue, baby. | 我们是蓝色的,宝贝。 |
| 164 | We're blue. | 我们是蓝色的。 |
| 165 | There's a lot of disbelief here tonight. | 今晚这里充满了怀疑 |
| 166 | They didn't quite dare believe | 他们不敢相信 |
| 167 | that they could win a Senate seat. | 他们可以赢得参议院席位 |
| 168 | They definitely didn't dare believe they could | 他们绝对不敢相信他们能 |
| 169 | win the governor's as well. | 也赢得了州长奖 |
| 170 | They're going to be partying here for a long time yet. | 他们要在这里聚会很久了 |
| 171 | Let's hear more now on what may turn out to be one of the most eye-catching democratic wins | 现在让我们多听一下 究竟什么是 最吸引眼球的民主赢家之一 |
| 172 | of the night. | 夜色的风光 |
| 173 | In Michigan, Abdul El-Sayed has won, holding the Senate seat for the Democrats | 在密歇根州,阿卜杜勒·赛义德获胜,为民主党赢得参议院席位 |
| 174 | despite a fierce campaign against him. | 尽管对他进行了激烈的斗争 |
| 175 | The progressive left politician beat Republican | 进步左派政治家打败共和党 |
| 176 | Mike Rogers to become the first Muslim U.S. | 迈克·罗杰斯成为美国第一个穆斯林. |
| 177 | Senator. | 参议员 |
| 178 | Taking the stage in front of supporters | 在支持者面前登台 |
| 179 | to claim victory, he called the Republican campaign against him ugly and divisive. | 他称共和党人反对他, |
| 180 | They weren't targeting me. | 他们没有瞄准我。 |
| 181 | They were targeting and attacking you. | 他们瞄准并攻击你 |
| 182 | They were targeting and | 他们的目标是, |
| 183 | attacking the very idea of America. | 攻击美国的思想 |
| 184 | See, they hate the idea of an America big enough for | 你看,他们讨厌美国大到足以 |
| 185 | anyone who looks a little different or prays a little different or whose family comes from | 或祈祷 或家人来自 |
| 186 | a different part of the world. | 世界的另一部分。 |
| 187 | That includes me, but it also includes anyone and everyone | 包括我,但也包括所有人 |
| 188 | who doesn't look like them, pray like them, love like them, or isn't rich like them. | 他们看起来不像他们,像他们一样祷告,像他们一样的爱,或者不像他们那样富有. |
| 189 | It's a moment that could shape the future of the Democratic Party. | 这是一个可以塑造民主党未来的时刻. |
| 190 | 我们的记者Neda Tolfik在密歇根 | |
| 191 | Abdul El-Sayed, in the Democratic primary, was unapologetically a critic of Israel. | 阿卜杜勒·赛义德(Abdul El-Sayed),在民主党初选中,毫不夸张地批评以色列。 |
| 192 | He ran to | 他跑来 |
| 193 | the left of his party on things like universal, you know, health care and having foreign aid spent | 他的党的左翼 诸如普及的,你知道的, 保健和有外援花费 |
| 194 | here in the United States instead of out in wars overseas. | 在美国,而不是在海外打仗 |
| 195 | And he won that primary narrowly. | 他赢得了初等奖 |
| 196 | But Republicans after that thought that it was their best chance to pick up a Democratic seat | 但共和党人认为这是他们获得民主党席位的最佳机会 |
| 197 | in the Senate. | 在参议院。 |
| 198 | They thought they could attack him. | 他们以为可以攻击他 |
| 199 | And what we saw was what Abdul El-Sayed | 我们看到的是阿卜杜勒·赛义德 |
| 200 | said on stage today. | 说今天在舞台上。 |
| 201 | He called it one of the ugliest campaigns in our lifetime. | 他称之为我们一生中最丑陋的运动之一. |
| 202 | And what we saw was anti-Muslim rhetoric used against him, the president of the United States | 我们看到的是针对他的反穆斯林言论 美国总统 |
| 203 | over and over, attacking him falsely as a jihadist, spreading this conspiracy theory | 一遍又一遍,假借圣战者的身份攻击他,传播这个阴谋论 |
| 204 | that he wants to spread Islamic law in America. | 他想在美国传播伊斯兰法 |
| 205 | You know, I spoke to a progressive strategist | 我跟一个进步的战略家谈过了 |
| 206 | Adam Green 他说这很可能会让水 | |
| 207 | run warmer for someone like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to run for president in 2028. | 为亚历山德里亚·奥卡西奥-科特斯 2028年竞选总统 跑得更温暖 |
| 208 | He says that progressives no longer can be told that they can't win. | 他说进步者再也不能说他们赢不了了. |
| 209 | So this has certainly kind | 所以这当然是善良的 |
| 210 | of excited progressives. | 兴奋的进步者。 |
| 211 | They feel that their candidates, when they stick to messaging, | 他们觉得自己的候选人, 当他们坚持信息, |
| 212 | like affordability, that it resonates with people. | 就像承受得起, 它与人共鸣。 |
| 213 | When they talk about, you know, corporations not | 当他们谈论,你知道,公司不是 |
| 214 | being able to spend in politics, that resonates with people. | 能够花在政治上, 这与人们的共鸣。 |
| 215 | And when they talk about, you know, | 当他们谈论,你知道, |
| 216 | having more funding, going to schooling and health care, that that is also a winning message. | 获得更多的资金,进入学校和医疗保健,这也是一个胜利的信息。 |
| 217 | Now, centrists would argue that, you know, moderates don't want government in people's lives as much. | 现在,中间派会争论,你知道,温和派 不希望政府 在人民的生活。 |
| 218 | And that has been this kind of tug and pull in the Democratic Party, where they should go. | 民主党就是这样的拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉拉 |
| 219 | And we haven't really seen a consistent message from the party. | 而且我们还没有真正看到 一个一致的信息 从党。 |
| 220 | Of course, that's what primaries | 当然,这就是初选 |
| 221 | are for ahead of the 2028 presidential election. | 在2028年总统大选之前 |
| 222 | Those different candidates and their ideas will | 这些不同的候选人及其想法将 |
| 223 | have to play out. | 一定要玩出来。 |
| 224 | But progressives now are going to say, Michigan is a swing state. | 但进步派现在会说,密歇根州是一个摇摆状态. |
| 225 | We had a win there. | 我们赢了 |
| 226 | And this is a message that we can take to the rest of the country. | 这是我们可以带给全国其他地方的信息。 |
| 227 | Another topic. | 另一个话题。 |
| 228 | Still to come in this podcast. | 还是要加入播客 |
| 229 | They see it as a victory for Iran. | 他们认为这是伊朗的胜利。 |
| 230 | And even one of the revolutionary commanders said | 甚至一个革命指挥官说 |
| 231 | Donald Trump lost the Senate to Iran. | 唐纳德·特朗普败给伊朗参议院. |
| 232 | What does Donald Trump's midterms defeat mean for the war in Iran? | 唐纳德·特朗普的中期战败对伊朗战争意味着什么?. |
| 233 | This is the Global News Podcast. | 这是全球新闻播报 |
| 234 | The election in America has been eagerly watched around the world. | 美国的选举在全世界都受到热烈的注视. |
| 235 | But what would the consequences be for President Trump's foreign policy? | 但特朗普总统的外交政策会有什么后果? |
| 236 | The BBC's international editor, Jeremy Bowen, explained whether this can be seen as voters | BBC的国际编辑Jeremy Bowen解释了这是否可被视为选民 |
| 237 | showing their disapproval of the Iran war and how the result is likely to affect | 表明他们不赞成伊朗战争,以及结果将如何影响 |
| 238 | President Trump's policy towards Tehran. | 川普总统对德黑兰的政策. |
| 239 | Well, I think they said no to high fuel prices rather than no to war necessarily. | 我认为他们拒绝高油价 而不是反对战争 |
| 240 | I mean, that is a massive question right now because there were loads of signs that | 我的意思是,这是一个巨大的问题 现在,因为有很多迹象 |
| 241 | the Americans were certainly preparing for the option of returning to major combat operations, | 美国人肯定在为重返主要作战行动做准备 |
| 242 | probably with the Israelis, after the midterms were over. | 可能和以色列人在一起,在中期考试结束后。 |
| 243 | Trump in his musings in the various interviews that he's done has not ruled that out. | 特朗普在所完成的各种采访中默默表示,并没有排除这一点. |
| 244 | He says it's really up to Iran. | 他说这真的取决于伊朗。 |
| 245 | So the thing is, is that an American president has a lot of | 问题是 美国总统有很多 |
| 246 | latitude in what he does abroad. | 在他在国外做什么的时候有自由度 |
| 247 | I think right now it would be foolhardy to try and | 我觉得现在尝试和 |
| 248 | guess at exactly what he will do. | 猜猜他会怎么做 |
| 249 | I suppose one option is to say, well, | 我想一个选择是说,嗯, |
| 250 | if the Americans people have shown that they are concerned about the effect of the war on | 如果美国人民已经证明 他们关心战争对 |
| 251 | fuel prices, therefore let's not have any more war and maybe we'll try and calm fuel prices. | 燃料价格,因此,让我们不再发生任何战争,也许我们将努力平息燃料价格. |
| 252 | Or he might reason, well, the damage has been done. | 或者他可能有理由 已经造成了伤害 |
| 253 | I'm going to go ahead with it anyway. | 反正我还是会继续的 |
| 254 | Jeremy Bowen, 但是在伊朗, | |
| 255 | Iran's supreme leader says he doesn't expect US policy to change. | 伊朗最高领导人表示他并不期望美国的政策会改变. |
| 256 | Gia Gaul from our Persian service told Valerie Sanderson, | 波斯军中的贾高卢告诉瓦莱丽·桑德森 |
| 257 | what else we've been hearing from the leadership in Tehran. | 我们从德黑兰领导人那里听到的 |
| 258 | If you look at the newspaper close to Revolutionary Guard, they see it as a victory for Iran. | 如果你看报纸 接近革命卫队, 他们认为这是伊朗的胜利。 |
| 259 | And even one of the revolutionary commanders said that it was a referendum on Donald Trump | 甚至一个革命指挥官说 这是关于唐纳德·特朗普的公投 |
| 260 | war against Iran. | 对伊朗的战争。 |
| 261 | And also they call it Donald Trump lost the Senate to Iran. | 他们还称唐纳德·特朗普败给伊朗参议院. |
| 262 | And the supreme leader of Iran in a message today, he said, those people who think US | 而伊朗最高领导人在今天的致辞中说, 那些认为美国的人 |
| 263 | policy toward Iran will change by shifting the partisanship in US, they are greatly mistaken. | 对伊朗的政策将会改变, |
| 264 | And only being strong, the United States, Mohamed Baqir-Khalibov, the speaker of the parliament | 美国,议会议长穆罕默德·巴吉尔-哈利博夫 |
| 265 | and one of the is a chief negotiator, he said, whether it was a conscious or living cause, | 其中一个是首席谈判员 他说 不管是有意识还是活的 |
| 266 | Americans said no to war, and we support this. | 美国人对战争说不,我们对此表示支持。 |
| 267 | And obviously we have a different messages coming | 显然我们有不同的消息 |
| 268 | out. | 出来。 |
| 269 | Many in Iran, they were openly on a state media, they were talking about prolonging the | 伊朗许多人公开在国营媒体上, |
| 270 | negotiation and disrupting oil flow in the Strait of Hormuz in hopes of rising the price in the | 霍尔木兹海峡的谈判和中断石油流动,希望提高石油价格。 |
| 271 | United States, it might affect the midterm election. | 美国,这可能影响到中期选举. |
| 272 | And that's certainly Iran see that | 这当然是伊朗看到的 |
| 273 | lens. | 镜片 |
| 274 | And don't forget today is 47th anniversary of the seize of US embassy in Tehran. | 不要忘记今天是美国驻德黑兰大使馆被夺取47周年。 |
| 275 | At the time | 当时 |
| 276 | also by taking US diplomats hostages and holding them for 444 days. | 还扣押了美国外交官的人质,关押了444天。 |
| 277 | In fact, they cast Democrat | 事实上,他们投了民主党 |
| 278 | at the time, Jimmy Carter lost it to Ronald Reagan. | 当时,吉米·卡特输给了罗纳德·里根. |
| 279 | They released the Iranian released the | 他们释放了伊朗人 |
| 280 | hostages exactly hours after inauguration of Ronald Reagan. | 在罗纳德·里根就职后 整整几小时 |
| 281 | So many people actually | 这么多人 |
| 282 | comparing two together. | 比较两个在一起。 |
| 283 | They said Iran have affected US election this time again. | 他们说伊朗这次再次影响了美国大选. |
| 284 | Well, President Trump says it's up to Iran what happens next, although some have warned of renewed | 特朗普总统说,接下来要由伊朗来决定, 虽然有些人已经警告说, |
| 285 | military action with US military forces in force in the region. | 与在该地区生效的美国军队的军事行动。 |
| 286 | I mean, what do you think Tehran | 我的意思是,你认为德黑兰 |
| 287 | is likely to do? | 有可能吗? |
| 288 | I think Iranian are extremely nervous about the situation, particularly in the | 我认为伊朗人对局势极为紧张, |
| 289 | past few weeks, we have witnessed the US have deployed more military hardware to aircraft carrier | 过去几周,我们目睹了美国在航空母舰上部署更多的军事硬件 |
| 290 | are on the way. | 马上就到 |
| 291 | In fact, it's soon in the mid November, there will be three aircraft carriers. | 事实上,在11月中旬不久,将会有三艘航空母舰. |
| 292 | And also we are hearing that US fuel tanker aircrafts are being deployed to Israel and there | 我们还听到美国油轮飞机 正在以色列和那里部署 |
| 293 | are all signed there might be resuming the attacks against Iran. | 可能恢复对伊朗的攻击。 |
| 294 | But in the same time, | 但在同一时间 |
| 295 | the messages we are hearing from Tehran is defiant. | 我们从德黑兰听到的信息是违抗的。 |
| 296 | And they said, if the US attack Iran, | 他们说如果美国攻击伊朗 |
| 297 | they will respond with the force never seen before. | 他们会用前所未有的力量来回应 |
| 298 | And we saw this in the | 我们看到这个在 |
| 299 | Iran Supreme Leader message today again, Gia Gore from BBC Persian. | 伊朗最高领袖今日再次发文, |
| 300 | The US midterms have also | 美国的中期报告也 |
| 301 | been watched closely in Israel at the time of major political uncertainty. | 在以色列,在重大政治不稳定时,人们密切注视着以色列。 |
| 302 | In elections just | 在选举中 |
| 303 | over a week ago, neither Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's coalition nor Gaddaith and court's | 一个星期前,本雅明·内塔尼亚胡总理的联盟和加代思和宫廷的 |
| 304 | opposition block were able to secure the majority needed to lead the country. | 反对派团体能够取得领导国家所需的多数。 |
| 305 | Now talks have begun | 现在谈判已经开始了 |
| 306 | to decide who will get the first chance to form a new coalition government. | 决定谁将获得成立新联合政府的第一次机会。 |
| 307 | Our Middle East | 我们的中东 |
| 308 | correspondent in Jerusalem, Yolande Nell, has been speaking to Valerie Sanderson. | 在耶路撒冷的记者约兰德·内尔一直和瓦莱丽·桑德森谈话. |
| 309 | The head of the Central Election Committee, who's a Supreme Court judge, presented the election | 作为最高法院法官的中央选举委员会负责人提出了选举 |
| 310 | results officially to President Isaac Herzog. | 正式给艾萨克·赫尔佐格总统 |
| 311 | And he spoke at this ceremony and said that casting | 他在这个仪式上说,铸造 |
| 312 | doubts on the election results poses a real danger to democracy in Israel. | 对选举结果的怀疑对以色列的民主构成真正的危险。 |
| 313 | And he reiterated that if | 他重申,如果 |
| 314 | suspicions of election fraud were proven, the extent of the fraud wouldn't be enough to impact | 对选举舞弊的怀疑被证实 舞弊的程度不足以影响 |
| 315 | election results. | 选举结果。 |
| 316 | And that is really a reference to ongoing investigations into allegations of | 这确实是指正在调查的 |
| 317 | voter fraud. | 选民舞弊。 |
| 318 | They've been made by the Prime Minister's Likud party, by his coalition partners | 由总理的利库德党 和他的联盟伙伴制造 |
| 319 | too. | 也一样。 |
| 320 | And they're arguing that really that the publication of the election results should have | 他们认为选举结果的公布 |
| 321 | been held up. | 被搁置。 |
| 322 | Now Israel's Attorney General has rejected a demand by the head of the Shin Bet, | 现在以色列总检察长拒绝了新贝特公司负责人的要求 |
| 323 | the domestic security service, who's an appointee of the Prime Minister, to interrogate four Arab | 国内安全部门,他是总理的委任者, 审讯四个阿拉伯人 |
| 324 | leaders, saying there's been no evidence that has been presented of wrongdoing. | 说没有证据证明有错 |
| 325 | And anyway, | 总之 |
| 326 | handing over now the election results clears the way for President Herzog to start his meetings | 现在交出选举结果,为赫尔佐格总统开始会晤扫清了道路. |
| 327 | with party leaders. | 与党领袖。 |
| 328 | That'll happen today and Thursday. | 今天和星期四都会这样 |
| 329 | And he'll ask them who they recommend | 他会问他们推荐谁 |
| 330 | for Prime Minister. | 为总理。 |
| 331 | Then he has a week to ask one of the party leaders to try to form a new | 然后,他有一个星期 要求一个党领袖 尝试组成一个新的 |
| 332 | coalition government. | 联合政府。 |
| 333 | And what about the Arab-led parties who secured a record number of seats? | 那那些获得创纪录席位的阿拉伯领导的政党呢? |
| 334 | So they're really in the spotlight because of the unprecedented turnout that there's been in the Arab | 因此,他们真的在 聚光灯中,因为 空前的投票率 在阿拉伯人 |
| 335 | communities. | 社区。 |
| 336 | Of course, Arab or Palestinian citizens will make up just over a fifth of the | 当然,阿拉伯或巴勒斯坦公民将仅占到 |
| 337 | population. | 人口统计。 |
| 338 | And they have secured 19 seats out of a total of 120 in the Knesset, in the Parliament. | 在议会总共120个席位中,他们已获得19个席位。 |
| 339 | That means, you know, they are a powerful force. | 这意味着,你知道,他们是一个强大的力量。 |
| 340 | They could potentially break what is in effect a | 他们有可能打破事实上的 |
| 341 | political deadlock because you neither have Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, his bloc, | 因为你没有本雅明·内塔尼亚胡总理 |
| 342 | nor the opposition bloc, the so-called change bloc led by Gaddy Eisencott, the former Israeli | 以及前以色列盖迪·艾森科特领导的所谓变革集团 |
| 343 | military chief, with enough seats to form a governing coalition as it stands. | 军事长官,有足够的席位组成一个执政联盟。 |
| 344 | But the real | 但真实的 |
| 345 | question is whether Jewish political leaders in Israel are ready to accept the Arab parties | 问题是以色列犹太政治领导人是否愿意接受阿拉伯政党 |
| 346 | as legitimate parties and partners in governing the country. | 作为管理国家的合法政党和伙伴。 |
| 347 | So will they not be part of a coalition, | 难道他们不是同盟者吗? |
| 348 | do you think? | 你觉得呢? |
| 349 | Well, it's still not totally clear. | 还没完全清楚 |
| 350 | But certainly what the joint Arab list has said | 但是,当然,阿拉伯联合名单所说的 |
| 351 | is it could provide a safety net, propping up a minority government with a kind of voting deal. | 它可以提供一个安全网,为少数派政府提供一种投票交易。 |
| 352 | The United Arab List is still insisting it would like to sit inside the government. | 阿拉伯联合名单仍然坚持要坐在政府内部。 |
| 353 | And during the | 期间 |
| 354 | election campaign, very effectively for the Israeli public, Benjamin Netanyahu and his coalition | 选举运动,对以色列公众、本雅明·内塔尼亚胡及其联盟非常有效 |
| 355 | partners painted the idea of any such collaboration as creating a dangerous government, almost an | 伙伴们将任何此类合作的理念描绘成创建一个危险的政府,几乎是 |
| 356 | existential threat for Israel. | 以色列的生存威胁。 |
| 357 | And the problem is that almost all of the parties in the change | 问题是,几乎所有的当事方 在变化中 |
| 358 | bloc of Gaddy Eisencott, except for the Democrats headed by Yair Golan, have also been ruling out | 加迪·艾森科特集团,除了以亚伊尔·戈兰为首的民主党之外,也一直排除 |
| 359 | the possibility of sitting in government with the Arab parties. | 与阿拉伯政党一起执政的可能性。 |
| 360 | Golan now. | 现在戈兰。 |
| 361 | President Zelensky has | 泽连斯基总统 |
| 362 | rewarded Melania Trump for her role in brokering a ceasefire in the Russian occupied city of Oleschki. | 奖励梅拉尼亚·特朗普在俄罗斯占领的奥勒施基市促成停火方面发挥的作用. |
| 363 | The U.S. First Lady has been given the highest award for women in Ukraine, the Order of Princess | 美国第一夫人获乌克兰女性最高奖 公主勋章 |
| 364 | Olga. | 奥尔加 |
| 365 | The five-day truce, which ended on Monday, enabled the evacuation of hundreds of Ukrainians | 5天的休战在星期一结束 数百名乌克兰人得以撤离 |
| 366 | from Oleschki, who'd been living in humanitarian conditions under Russian control. | 他一直生活在俄罗斯控制的人道主义条件下 |
| 367 | Valerie Sanderson | 瓦莱丽·桑德森 |
| 368 | BBC的俄罗斯编辑Vitaly Shevchenko, | |
| 369 | 梅拉尼亚·特朗普(Melania Trump)出演. | |
| 370 | We are not exactly certain what Melania Trump has achieved. | 我们并不完全确定梅拉尼亚·特朗普的成就。 |
| 371 | But the fact is | 但事实是 |
| 372 | that President Zelensky is really, really keen to highlight America's role in helping evacuate | 泽连斯基总统非常热衷于强调美国在帮助撤离方面的作用 |
| 373 | hundreds of people in this town called Oleschki, which is occupied by Russia. | 这座被俄罗斯占领的名叫奥勒施基的城镇有数百人. |
| 374 | And what he did | 还有他的所作所为 |
| 375 | earlier today by awarding this order illustrates the chasm that exists between the official rhetoric | 今天早些时候通过授予这项命令,说明了官方言论之间存在的差距。 |
| 376 | that we hear from Kiev and how Donald Trump is viewed by commentators in Ukraine. | 乌克兰评论家们如何看待唐纳德·特朗普。 |
| 377 | President | 庭长 |
| 378 | Zelensky, every time he mentions the United States, he thanks Donald Trump profusely, | 泽连斯基 每次他提到美国 他都会亲切地感谢唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 379 | even though the American president has made it so, so much more difficult for Ukraine to defend | 虽然美国总统已经让乌克兰 更难以捍卫 |
| 380 | itself against the Russian aggression. | 自己反对俄罗斯的侵略 |
| 381 | If you look at commentators, one blogger said this morning, | 一个博客今早说, |
| 382 | well, it doesn't really cost us anything awarding medals and orders to the Americans. | 好吧,这并没有真正花费我们 授予任何勋章和命令给美国人。 |
| 383 | We might as | 我们可能 |
| 384 | well give an order of bravery to Donald Trump, because it just pleases them. | 给唐纳德·特朗普一个勇敢的指令, 因为它只是取悦他们。 |
| 385 | And the hope that | 和希望 |
| 386 | exists in Kiev is that by pleasing Donald Trump, by flattering Donald Trump, they are hoping to | 在基辅的存在是,通过讨好唐纳德·特朗普, 通过恭维唐纳德·特朗普, 他们希望 |
| 387 | secure continued intelligence sharing for Americans and also more supplies of anti-ballistic | 保证美国人继续分享情报,并提供更多的反弹药 |
| 388 | missile interceptors, which are made in the United States. | 美国制造的导弹拦截器。 |
| 389 | But what do you think President Zelensky | 但你觉得泽连斯基总统 |
| 390 | will be making of President Trump losing control of Congress? | 将会让川普总统失去对国会的控制? |
| 391 | I suspect even though President Zelensky | 我怀疑即使总统泽连斯基 |
| 392 | hasn't really said anything so far, I suspect President Zelensky will share the, you know, | 我怀疑泽连斯基总统会分享 |
| 393 | the huge sigh of relief that we've been hearing from commentators in social media in Ukraine, | 我们听到乌克兰社交媒体评论家的 巨大的解脱之声 |
| 394 | one of whom said freedom has won in America. | 有人说自由在美国获胜了 |
| 395 | And that's all from us for now. | 现在都是我们送的 |
| 396 | If you want to | 如果你想的话 |
| 397 | get in touch, you can email us at the global podcast at bbc.co.uk. | 联系,你可以发电子邮件给我们 在bbc.co.uk的全球播客。 |
| 398 | And you can also watch our | 你也可以看着我们 |
| 399 | episodes in full. | 整个剧集。 |
| 400 | Just search for the global news podcast on YouTube. | 只要在YouTube上搜索全球新闻播客 |
| 401 | This edition was mixed by | 这个版本是混合的 |
| 402 | Louis Griffin and the producers were Charles Sanctuary and Alfie Arbushin. | 路易斯·格里芬和制片人为查尔斯·桑克图里和阿尔菲·阿尔布申. |
| 403 | The editor is | 编辑是 |
| 404 | Karen Martin. | 凯伦马丁。 |
| 405 | I'm Aini Jones. | 我是爱妮·琼斯 |
| 406 | Until next time, goodbye. | 直到下一次,再见。 |
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