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(中英附文稿)积极心理学之父:为什么你总觉得自己改变不了生活

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0:00Over the last 50 years, you've maybe done more than anyone else to increase our understanding在过去的50年里,你或许比任何人都更努力 来增进我们的理解
0:05of human flourishing, 30 bucks or more, hundreds of articles, and you've just turned 84, so人类的繁荣,30块或更多, 上百篇文章,你刚刚 84,所以
0:11happy birthday by the way.生日快乐
0:13Thank you.谢谢
0:14Yeah.对
0:15What's been the common thread between all of your work?你们的作品有什么共同点?
0:19Is there a unifying trend across all of it?在所有这些方面是否有统一的趋势?
0:22Yes.对
0:22Yes, there is.是的,这是有的。
0:23And it's the question of human mastery and human agency, Chris.而这是人类掌握和人类代理的问题,克里斯.
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1Over the last 50 years, you've maybe done more than anyone else to increase our understanding在过去的50年里,你或许比任何人都更努力 来增进我们的理解
2of human flourishing, 30 bucks or more, hundreds of articles, and you've just turned 84, so人类的繁荣,30块或更多, 上百篇文章,你刚刚 84,所以
3happy birthday by the way.生日快乐
4Thank you.谢谢
5Yeah.对
6What's been the common thread between all of your work?你们的作品有什么共同点?
7Is there a unifying trend across all of it?在所有这些方面是否有统一的趋势?
8Yes.对
9Yes, there is.是的,这是有的。
10And it's the question of human mastery and human agency, Chris.而这是人类掌握和人类代理的问题,克里斯.
11So when I started work in psychology more than 60 years ago, there were three huge blind60多年前我开始心理学工作时 有三个巨大的盲人
12spots that psychology had that made asking questions about human happiness and human心理学曾经提出过关于人类幸福和人类
13agency almost impossible.机构几乎不可能
14The first blind spot was happiness itself, and that is, psychology was all about misery第一个盲点是幸福本身, 也就是心理学是所有的痛苦
1560 years ago, trauma, suffering, panic, depression, anxiety.60年前,创伤,痛苦,恐慌,抑郁,焦虑.
16Happiness was a dirty word.幸福是脏话
17No one worked on it.没人研究过
18The second blind spot was thinking itself.第二个盲点是在思考自己。
19So a common thread in all of my work has been that what you think determines how you feel.因此,我所有工作的一个共同线索 就是,你的想法决定了你的感受。
20But psychology excluded thinking 60 years ago.但心理学排除了60年前的思想。
21It was if you're a psychoanalyst, it was just a fluvia that came out of underlying conflict.如果你是一个心理分析家, 它只是一种流感 从潜在的冲突。
22If you're a behaviorist, thinking didn't exist.如果你是一个行为主义者, 思考不存在。
23So that was the second blind spot.所以这是第二个盲点。
24And the third blind spot that made it impossible to work on human mastery and human happiness第三个盲点使得人类无法掌握和幸福
25was determinism.是决定性的。
26That psychologists believed that the past plus the present made a puppet of us into那个心理学家相信过去加上现在 把我们变成一个傀儡
27the future.未来
28All of those three premises have turned out to be wrong, inimical to human well-being.这三个前提都是错误的,不利于人类福祉。
29And one of the great joys of my 60 years in psychology, I've been one of the people who也是我60年心理学界的快乐之一
30overturned all three of them.推翻了他们三个
31It's a rebellious career, upending the status quo in that way.这是一个叛逆的事业, 改善现状的方式。
32Yes, I think I've been a rebel and an over-turner, and my scientific technique has generally是的,我想我是一个叛逆者和 翻转者,我的科技 基本上
33been to look at the basic premises of what people were doing in science and say, what研究人们在科学领域 所做的一切的基本前提
34if the most basic premise is wrong?如果最基本的前提是错误的呢?
35What follows?接下来呢?
36And the basic premises of psychology 60 years ago excluded human happiness, excluded thinking,60年前心理学的基本前提 排除了人类的幸福 排除了思想
37and excluded the notion that we could choose our future.并排除了我们可以选择未来的概念。
38Why agency?为什么是机构?
39Why did you get interested in that?你为什么对此感兴趣?
40Well, I first worked on something called learned helplessness.嗯,我第一次工作 所谓的学习无助。
41So I basically found in the 1960s and 70s that animals and humans, when they were exposed所以我基本上在20世纪60年代和70年代发现 动物和人类,当他们被暴露
42to events that they couldn't do anything about, showed several basic disturbing symptoms.对于他们无能为力的事件, 表现出一些基本的令人不安的症状。
43First, they became profoundly passive.首先,它们变得非常被动。
44So Chris, if I put headphones on you, and I put a button in front of you, and I played克里斯,如果我把耳机 你,我放一个按钮 在你面前,我玩
45a loud, annoying noise, and the button, nothing you did could turn off the noise.大声的,烦人的噪音, 和按钮,你没有做 关闭噪音。
46And then the next day, I put you in a human shuttle box, which is a box about six feet第二天,我把你放进一个载人穿梭的盒子里, 它是一个大约6英尺的盒子。
47long, put headphones on you, you put your hand in on one side, noise went on, you just长,把耳机在你身上, 你把手放在一边, 噪音发生,你只是
48sat there and didn't do anything.坐在那里,什么也没做。
49So the first thing that we found to our shock in learned helplessness was that people and因此,我们发现的第一件事 在我们震惊 在学到的无助是人和
50animals became profoundly passive.动物变得非常被动
51And the second thing we found was that they became stupid, that they had a lot of trouble我们发现的第二件事是 他们变得愚蠢, 他们有很多麻烦
52finding out when they moved their hand, turn off the noise, that mastery actually worked,发现当他们移动他们的手, 关闭噪音, 该掌握实际上工作,
53and they went back to sitting.他们又回到座位上。
54So where my interest in this started was the opposite of agency, and that is what impedes我对这件事的兴趣 和代理是相反的 那就是阻碍
55agency, what makes us helpless.机构,是什么让我们无助。
56And 20 years of work on finding out what makes us helpless brought me out of the notion of花了20年的时间 找出是什么让我们无助 让我走出了
57helplessness and into the notion of mastery and agency.无助 并进入 掌握和代理的概念。
58And most importantly, every time we ran an experiment in which there was inescapable最重要的是,每次我们进行实验时, 实验是不可避免的
59noise or inescapable shock, there was always a third group that got the very same noise,噪音或无法避免的冲击, 总有第三组 得到非常相同的噪音,
60but pressing the button worked.但按下按钮有效
61So the groups are matched for trauma or adversity, but the group that had first experience with因此,这些群体被匹配 创伤或逆境, 但该群体 有第一次经历
62mastery with what I now call efficacy did fine.精通我现在所说的功效是好的。
63And then when we started to measure them, they were even better off than the control然后当我们开始测量它们时 它们比控制更好
64groups.组合。
65So the very first hint of efficacy, agency, and mastery was that traumatic events that所以,第一提示 效力,代理,和掌握 是创伤事件,
66you can do something about are actually energizing.你可以做一些事情 实际上是激发。
67What was the arc from learned helplessness to learned hopefulness then?从学习的无助到学习的希望是什么?
68Because you spend all of this time doing this research, finding something that sounds very因为你花了这么多时间 做这个研究, 找到一些听起来非常
69exciting and gets taken on by the field for it to then need to basically do a U-turn.激动人心 被球场吸引 然后它需要 基本上做一个U -转。
70Well, it was something I was trying to sweep under the rug.嗯,这是的东西 我试图扫在地毯下面。
71But after doing more than 10 years of research with people and animals, when I gave people但经过10多年的研究 与人和动物, 当我给人
72and animals events they couldn't control, they became passive.动物们无法控制 它们变得被动
73But only five out of eight on average became passive.但平均只有五分之八变得被动.
74One third of them I couldn't make helpless.三分之一我无法无助
75So there's a big effect to look at, I mean, just not moving and doing anything.所以,有一个巨大的效果,看, 我的意思是,只是不动和做任何事情。
76But importantly, three out of every eight people, three out of every eight animals didn't但重要的是,每8个人中有3个,每8个动物中有3个没有
77become helpless.变得无助。
78I tried to sweep that under the rug.我试图扫在地毯下面。
79And finally it became interesting to me, what was it about some people and some animals终于让我觉得有趣了 有些人和一些动物
80that made you resilient, resistant to helplessness?让你有韧性 抗无助?
81That took another 10 years to find out.这又花了10年时间才发现
82And basically the key to that seemed to be optimism and pessimism.基本上,关键是乐观和悲观。
83So what we developed was a way of measuring by questionnaire optimism and pessimism.因此,我们开发了一种通过问卷乐观和悲观度量的方法。
84So pessimistic people, when we gave them questions like, you fail a mathematics examination,所以悲观的人, 当我们给他们的问题 比如,你失败了数学考试,
85pessimistic people say, it's me, it's going to last forever, and it's going to undermine悲观的人说,这是我, 它会永远地, 它会破坏
86everything I do.我所做的一切 都一样
87So they say, I'm stupid.他们说我很蠢
88And the problem with saying I'm stupid, it's a very pessimistic explanation.说我是傻子的问题, 这是一个非常悲观的解释。
89Stupidity lasts and lasts.愚痴久远.
90It hurts you in many circumstances.在很多情况下它会伤害你。
91And it's something about you.而你却有这种感觉
92But we found that optimists, when they failed examinations, said things like, I had a hangover.但我们发现,乐观主义者, 当他们考试失败的时候, 说了类似的话,我有一个宿醉。
93I didn't try hard enough.我没有尽力
94Now notice a hangover, unlike being stupid, is temporary.现在注意到宿醉, 不像愚蠢,是暂时的。
95It doesn't mean the next time you have an exam, you're going to fail it.不谓下次考试,必有不及格.
96So hangovers and not trying hard enough are optimistic.所以,宿醉和不够努力的努力是乐观的。
97So having developed first questionnaires and then ways of looking at verbatim speech for因此,已经制定了最初的调查问卷,然后是研究逐字记录的方法。
98optimism and pessimism, we then went back and asked, well, who didn't become helpless?乐观和悲观,然后我们回去问,谁没有变得无助?
99And it turned out it was the optimists who didn't become helpless.结果发现,乐观主义者并没有变得无助。
100And that led me in my arc from thinking about the dangers of it's me, it's going to last这导致我进入我的弧 从思考它的危险 是我,它会持续
101forever, it's going to undermine everything I do, to the virtues of thinking, it's temporary.永远,它会破坏我所做的一切, 对于思考的优点,它是暂时的。
102It's just this one situation, and I can do something about it.只有这样,我可以做点什么
103So that led me from believing I was working on pessimism and depression and helplessness,因此,这让我不再相信 我的工作是悲观 抑郁和无助,
104to realizing, hey, I was working on optimism and hope and agency.我致力于乐观 希望和代理
105So that was the second big arc in my career.那是我职业生涯的第二个大弧度。
106I'll tell you about the third one, which had to do with bringing this to scale.我会告诉你第三个, 这与使这个规模。
107When I turned 50, I decided I was going to run for president of the American Psychological50岁时,我决定竞选美国心理学会会长
108Association.协会.
109I hadn't been president of anything since the ninth grade, and I wasn't a very good我从九年级起就没做过什么总裁 我也不是个好人
110the ninth grade.九年级
111And so I put my name in the ring, and I was told by everyone I'd be defeated,所以我把我的名字放在戒指里 所有人都告诉我我会被打败
112and I campaigned for it.我为此而奋斗
113And I won by the largest vote in the modern history of American我以美国现代史上最大票数获胜
114psychology.心理学。
115But that led me with a problem.但是这给我带来了一个问题。
116And the problem was that presidents are supposed问题是总统应该
117to have themes, initiatives, and I didn't know what mine would be.我不知道我的会是什么
118And it was an epiphany that它是一个觉悟,
119{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}然后把工作从痛苦变成痛苦
120about well-being.关于幸福。
121I suppose it might seem strange to a lot of people in the modern world that我想这对现代世界的很多人来说可能很奇怪
122psychology wasn't particularly worried about how to make people's lives better, but that for a long心理学并不特别担心如何改善人们的生活, 但长久以来,
123time it was preoccupied with why are people's lives bad.时间在忙着 人们的生活为何不好。
124It wasn't really focused on improving,它并没有真正专注于改善,
125it was more focused on diagnosing problems.它更注重诊断问题。
126It got paid for doing that.它为此付出了代价。
127And so the crucial所以关键
128event for modern psychology occurred right after World War II, when something called the National现代心理学事件发生在二战之后, 也就是所谓的国家
129Institute of Mental Health was opened and gave money to psychologists.心理健康研究所开设,并向心理学家提供资金。
130And it gave money to它给钱
131psychologists not for making people happy, but for treating post-traumatic stress disorder,心理学家不是为让人们快乐 而是治疗创伤后应激障碍
132treating depression, treating anxiety and the like.治疗抑郁症,治疗焦虑等.
133And 30 years later, the American Psychiatric30年后,美国精神病患者
134Association published its diagnostic manual, and a reimbursement for psychotherapists was for协会出版了诊断手册,并报销心理治疗师的费用。
135treating depression, anxiety, alcoholism, schizophrenia, panic.治疗抑郁,焦虑,酗酒,精神分裂,恐慌.
136You didn't get paid for你没有得到报酬
137making people happier.让人更快乐。
138And so psychology followed the money, essentially, both in getting grants所以心理学跟随钱, 基本上,在获得赠款方面
139and in treating people at the expense of asking the question, hey, can people flourish?并且以不问问题为代价对待人们, 嘿,人们能繁荣吗?
140Is there something more to life than the absence of being miserable?生命除了没有痛苦之外还有别的吗?
141And that's what greeted me这就是我问候
142as president of the American Psychological Association.作为美国心理学会主席.
143And the following thing happened接下来发生的事情
144which changed my mind about psychology, and gave me the theme of my work and then the next这改变了我对心理学的看法, 给了我我的工作主题 然后下一个
14530 years of my life.三十年我寿.
146And what it was, Chris, I was thinking about the question of what would my克里斯,我想到一个问题,我...
147initiative be.倡议是。
148And I'm a gardener, and I was in my garden with my five-year-old daughter,我是一个园丁, 我在我的花园 和我五岁的女儿,
149Nicole.妮科尔。
150She had turned five about two weeks before.她两周前才满五岁
151And we're weeding together.并合杂草.
152And I'm having the usual miserable time pulling weeds, but Nikki is running around, dancing,而我有 通常的悲惨时间拉杂草, 但尼基到处跑,跳舞,
153throwing weeds in the air, singing.在空中扔杂草 唱歌
154And I shouted to her, I said, Nikki, get to work, we're weeding.我喊她,我说,尼基,去工作,我们正在除草。
155And Nikki looked at me.妮基看着我
156She walked away.她走开。
157She came back and said,她回来说
158Daddy, can I talk to you?爸爸,我能和你谈谈吗?
159I said, yeah, what is it, Nikki?我说了 什么事 Nikki?
160I said, Daddy, do you remember before我说,爸爸,你还记得以前
161my fifth birthday that I was a whiner, that I whined all the time?我的五岁生日,我是一个抱怨者, 我一直抱怨?
162I said, yeah, yeah,我说,是啊,是啊,
163a little horror.有点恐怖。
164Well, have you noticed, Daddy, since my fifth birthday two weeks ago,你注意到了吗 爸爸 自从我两周前五岁生日起
165I haven't whined once?我没有抱怨过一次?
166I said, oh, yeah, you haven't, have you?我说,哦,是的,你没有,是吗?
167I said, well, Daddy,我说,爸爸,
168on my fifth birthday, I decided I wasn't going to whine anymore.在我五岁生日的时候 我决定不再抱怨了
169That was the hardest thing I've那是我最难受的事
170ever done.从来没有做过。
171And if I can stop whining, you can stop being such a grouch.如果我能停止抱怨, 你就可以停止 这么讨厌。
172This really happened,这真的发生了,
173Chris.克莉丝
174And in that moment, I realized, and I call it an epiphany because it all happened那一刻,我意识到,我称之为一个觉悟,因为一切都发生了
175in an instant, I realized three basic things about myself, about being a parent, and about瞬间,我意识到 三个基本的事情 关于我自己, 关于做父母,
176psychology.心理学。
177So the first was about myself.所以第一个是关于我自己的。
178I was indeed a grouch.我确实是一个怪胎。
179And indeed, I was proud of being事实上,我很自豪
180一个grouch。
181I had that critical intelligence that made me see right to the heart of everything that我有那批批批判的情报 让我能正确看待一切
182was wrong.错了
183So I was really good at picking out what was wrong.所以我很擅长找出什么是错的。
184And it occurred to me for the这让我想到
185first time, maybe some of the success I had in life was not because I was such a grouch and such第一次,也许一些 我的成功在生活中 并不是因为我 这么粗鲁和如此
186a negative person, but because of something else, something positive, and that perhaps there were一个负面的人, 但因为别的东西, 一些积极的,也许有
187virtues in not being a grouch, and maybe being grouch got in the way.美德在于不作恶 也可能被恶作剧妨碍
188That was the first thing这是第一件事
189I realized.我意识到了。
190The second thing was what my job as a teacher or as a parent was.第二件事是我作为教师或父母的工作。
191So my view of being所以我认为
192a parent was your job was to find out everything your kid did wrong and correct it.一个父母是你的工作 是找出你孩子做错的一切 并纠正它。
193And somehow,不知为何
194if you corrected all the bad things that Nikki did, you'd get an exemplary child.如果你纠正了Nikki的坏事 你会得到一个模范的孩子
195It occurred to me没想到
196that was nonsense.胡说八道
197Where you got was to zero.你到达零。
198And that for Nikki to grow, we had to find out what而为了妮基成长 我们必须找出
199she was good at, like talking to an adult, which she had just done, reinforcing it, and helping her她很擅长跟成年人说话 她刚刚做了这个 强化了它 帮助了她
200to live her life, not correcting her errors, but capitalizing what she was good at.而不是纠正她的错误 而是利用她擅长的东西
201And the third还有第三个
202big thing I realized was that psychology was half-baked.我意识到 心理学是半衰期的
203It was baked on misery, suffering,它的烤 在痛苦,痛苦,
204divorce, panic, and there was no psychology of flourishing, of happiness, of well-being.离婚,恐慌, 和没有心理学 繁荣,幸福,幸福。
205So I found my initiative there, and it was to create something which we'd gone on to call positive所以我发现我的主动性在那里, 它是创造的东西, 我们继续称之为积极的
206psychology, which investigates not correcting your errors, but finding what your strengths are心理学,它调查的不是纠正你的错误, 而是找出你的长处
207and living around your strengths.并围绕你的长处生活
208So that was the third major change in the arc that went from弧线的第三个大变化
209helplessness to pessimism to positive psychology.绝望的悲观的心理
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214Aren't you younger than me?你不比我年轻吗?
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225我们和Shopify在Nutonic用过的支票
226You can sign up for a free trial period by going你可以在免费的试用期注册
227to the link in the description below or heading to shopify.com slash modern wisdom.连接到下面描述或标题中的链接 shopify.com slash 现代智慧。
228That's这是
229shopify.com 斜线现代智慧.
230How much have you come to believe people can多少你来相信 人们可以
231train themselves into optimism, train themselves into agency?训练自己乐观,训练自己 机构?
232How much are they constrained by their predisposition or their set point?他们受倾向性或定点的限制有多大?
233Indeed, the great body of the work I've done is on the question, can you change?的确,我所完成的伟大工作就是在这个问题上,你能改变吗?
234Can you stop being a pessimist?你能停止悲观吗?
235Can you stop being a catastrophizer?你能停止做一个灾难者吗?
236Can you come out of hopelessness and helplessness?你能摆脱绝望和无助吗?
237A great deal of my work has been on,我的许多工作一直在,
238can we change?我们可以换衣服吗?
239The answer is yes, but let me tell you some of the techniques.答案是肯定的,但让我告诉你一些技巧。
240When I talk techniques here, these are not armchair techniques.当我在这里谈论技巧, 这些不是臂椅技巧。
241These are things that这些东西
242are now done with hundreds and in many cases thousands of people, and we look at them across现在有上百人 并且在许多情况下有上千人 并且我们从头到尾地看着他们
243time.时间。
244So let's take pessimism, seeing the worst side of everything.所以,让我们去悲观, 看到最糟糕的一面的一切。
245Pessimism comes quite naturally.悲观情绪自然而然。
246We are the creatures of ancestors who lived through the我们是祖先的生物 他们活在
247Pasadena today.帕萨迪纳今天。
248I'll bet tomorrow would be beautiful, got crushed by the ice.我敢打赌,明天将是美丽的, 被冰压碎。
249We inherited a brain that biased toward catastrophization and automatic thoughts about我们继承了一种大脑 倾向于灾难化和自动思考
250the worst.最惨的
251So being negative, being a pessimist comes naturally.消极的,悲观的自然而然
252What does not come naturally自然而然的东西
253and needs learning is being an optimist.需要学习 是一个乐观主义者。
254So let me give you some examples of the kinds of things所以,让我给你一些例子 类的东西
255that we do.我们这样做。
256The first thing we do is we put people in touch with the most pessimistic things they say我们要做的第一件事就是 让大家了解他们所说的最悲观的事情
257themselves.他们自己。
258For example, before the show last night, by the way, I am still a pessimist,比方说,在昨晚的演出之前, 顺便说一句,我还是个悲观主义者,
259but I've learned optimism.但我学会了乐观
260I wake up Chris at four in the morning thinking,我早上四点醒来克里斯想
261gee, in 12 hours, I'm going to face someone who is reputed to be a really difficult interview.12小时后,我要面对一个 被誉为非常困难的面试
262I said, geez, I'm 84 years old.我说,天啊,我84岁了。
263Chris is in his 30s or 40s.克里斯已经三四十多岁了
264He probably knows the他也许知道
265literature better than I do, and I'm not quick anymore.文学比我好, 我不再快了。
266Okay, so I hear that voice, and it's好吧,所以我听到的声音,它是
267saying, you know, Marty, you're over the hill.说,你知道的,马蒂, 你在山上。
268You can't face Chris Williamson.你不能面对克里斯·威廉森
269But I have learned但我已经学会了
270to be an active disputer, realistically, of my most catastrophic thoughts.成为我最灾难性思想的 积极争议者
271So at four in the所以四点
272morning, I said, hey, wait a minute.早上,我说,嘿,等一下。
273I did an interview last week with someone like Chris,上周我和克里斯这样的人做了一次访谈
274and again, I thought, I can't do it at all.再说一次,我想,我完全做不到
275And it was super.超级棒
276Well, I was only 83 then,我那时才83岁
277and I'm 84 now.现在我84岁了
278I basically, with realistic arguments, treated the voice that said to me,基本上,我用现实主义的论据 对待对我说,
279Seligman, you're over the hill, as if it was a rival for my job or my wife,塞利格曼,你在山上, 仿佛它是竞争我的工作或我的妻子,
280whose mission in life was to make me miserable and to argue against it with realistic evidence.他的人生使命就是让我感到痛苦 用现实的证据来反驳
281And that, when you learn to become a good disputer of automatic thoughts,当你学会成为自动思考的好争议者时
282pessimism changes to optimism, and it's fun.悲观主义改变为乐观主义,也很有趣.
283And in fact, when we do experiments on this,事实上 当我们做实验的时候
284six months later, people are more optimistic, less depressed, less anxious.6个月后,人们更加乐观,减少沮丧,减少焦虑.
285Second technique, I'll just limit it to two now, but I could go on for the rest of our show第二招,我现在只限两招 但我可以继续表演
286about how to change from being an optimist to a pessimist.如何从乐观主义变成悲观主义。
287And part of the reason for wanting和一部分 想要的原因
288to talk about the book agency is I'd like people to read about this as well.我想让大家也读一下这个
289Here's something I've我有件事要说
290done with 40,000 drill sergeants in the United States Army.美国陆军中士4万次
291So during the Iraq War, the United所以在伊拉克战争期间,联合军
292States Army came to me and said, post-traumatic stress disorder, suicide, what does positive美国陆军来找我说,创伤后应激障碍,自杀,什么是积极的
293psychology say about that?心理学说的?
294And so basically, the Army commissioned me to teach the drill sergeants,所以基本上,陆军委托我 教导钻探中士,
295to teach positive psychology to one million men and women in the United States Army.向美国陆军一百万男男女女教授积极的心理学。
296So here's a technique that works very well, and I'll modify it not for the Army, but for因此,这是一个非常有效的技术, 我会修改它不为陆军,
297the rest of us.我们其他人
298It's called putting it in perspective, noon on Friday.这叫"放入视野" 周五中午
299You get an email你得到一个电子邮件
300from your manager that says, come see me at four o'clock.你经理说 四点钟来看我
301What do you think?你觉得呢?
302Oh my God,天呐
303I'm going to be fired.我要被开除了
304She's read my memo about the book.她读了我的关于这本书的备忘录。
305It's all over.皆悉灭尽.
306And actually,事实上,
307we're attracted to that.我们被它吸引。
308Now, we're catastrophizers for playas to scene reasons.现在,我们是灾难化者 玩耍来寻找原因。
309What can you do你能怎么办?
310about being a catastrophizer?关于成为灾难者?
311So here's what we do.因此,我们这样做。
312First, we have people imagine the very worst首先,我们有人想象最糟糕的
313that could happen at four in the afternoon.可能在下午四点发生
314They get into it.他们进入其中。
315She's going to take me apart,她要把我分开
316and I'm going to be fired.我要被开除了
317Okay, great.好吧,伟大的。
318Then we say, okay, that's the worst that can happen.然后我们说,好吧,这是最糟糕的 会发生。
319Now, what's the best thing that could happen at four in the afternoon?那下午四点能发生什么好事?
320And she'll say,她会说,
321she's read my memo on the marketing campaign.她读了我关于营销运动的备忘录
322She thinks it's wonderful, and she's calling她觉得这很好 她打电话来
323me in to give me a raise and promote me.升职升职
324Okay, great.好吧,伟大的。
325Now, what's the most likely outcome?最可能的结果是什么?
326What's in between and most likely and most realistic?什么是在中间 和最可能 最现实?
327Well, she's probably read my memo她可能读了我的备忘录
328on the marketing campaign.在营销运动。
329She likes it.她喜欢
330She thinks the budget is much too high,她认为预算太高了
331and she's going to ask me to cut the budget.她会让我削减预算
332Great.不错
333What can you do now to prepare for the你现在能做什么来准备
334four o'clock interview?四点的采访?
335So putting in perspective is a second of about 15 different exercises因此,把视角 大约15种不同的练习的第二
336that change pessimism into optimism, that change helplessness into agency.将悲观变成乐观 将无助变成机构
337I don't know.师曰.
338That to me, the predisposition that we have, the对我来说 我们的倾向
339set point of everything being so negative, it seems so natural, that email that you get at设定点,每件事物都是负面的, 它看起来是如此自然,
340four o'clock, and you think, that's it.四点钟,你觉得,就这样
341My job's done.我的工作结束了。
342I'm going to be kicked out.我要被赶出来。
343I'm going to be我会是
344homeless on the street, and I'm going to live under a bridge, and I'm going to have a gluten街上流浪汉,我要住在桥下, 还要吃一顿
345intolerance and a club foot, and it's all going to go horrendously.不容忍和俱乐部的脚, 这一切都会去可怕的。
346That feels so natural to us.这对我们来说太自然了
347It's literally as natural as breathing for a lot of people.对很多人来说,这是自然的。
348But what we have on our sides is realism, a realistic argument.但我们的方面是现实主义,一个现实的争论.
349So it's very important所以这很重要
350when you put something in perspective, or you argue against the thought,当你把东西放在正题上, 或者你反对思想,
351how could I ever have a good interview with Chris Williamson?我怎么会有一个很好的采访 克里斯威廉森?
352That it be realistic,现实一点
353and you marshal evidence that's realistic.你收集证据,这是现实的。
354So I have a club foot.所以我有一个俱乐部的脚。
355I'm homeless.我无家可归。
356I'm going to wind我要风了
357up living under a bridge.住在桥下
358It's indeed like the most catastrophic thoughts we have.这确实是我们最灾难性的想法
359But when you learn to become a good disputer, as opposed to just treating your most catastrophic但当你学会成为一个好的争议者, 而不是仅仅对待你最灾难性的
360thoughts as if they were true, empirically, it turns out people learn this.从经验上看,人们都明白这一点。
361They learn it well.他们学得很好
362They become better at it.他们变得更好。
363It alleviates depression and anxiety and increases of flourishing.它减轻了抑郁和焦虑,并增加了繁荣。
364So in advance, I didn't know if it would work, but it turns out there's something called meta所以,事先,我不知道它是否可行, 但事实证明,有东西叫做元
365analysis in which you go over the entire literature instead of just doing one study.分析,你翻阅整个文献 而不是只做一项研究。
366Well, it turns out there are, last count, 335 studies of these positive techniques嗯,结果,有,最后的数, 335 研究 这些积极的技术
367on depression, well-being, and anxiety.忧郁、安乐、焦虑
368What you do is you put the whole literature together,你所做的就是把整个文献集中起来
369and the literature basically shows that contrary to what you and I might have thought at the文献基本上表明 与你和我可能想的相反
370beginning, that there are a set of more than a dozen techniques that increase optimism一开始,有十几种技术可以增加乐观
371and increase human agency.并增加人的能力。
372What's the relationship between optimism and agency?乐观与代理的关系是什么?
373Agency, your new机构,你的新
374obsession.迷恋。
375This is a new book.这是一本新书
376How is it different from optimism?这与乐观有何不同?
377How have you come to conceptualize你怎么来构思
378that?那个?
379For me, agency has three components, and optimism is the second one.对我而言,机构有三个组成部分,乐观是第二个组成部分。
380The first component is efficacy.第一个组成部分是效力。
381Efficacy is the belief that you can accomplish your goals功效就是相信自己能实现自己的目标
382in the here and now.此时此刻
383Secondly, optimism is the belief that you can accomplish your goals第二,乐观是相信 你能够实现你的目标
384into the far future.在遥远的未来。
385Third, imagination is the range of goals that you can accomplish第三,想象力是能够实现的目标范围
386into the far future.在遥远的未来。
387To be agentic, you have to be efficacious, believing you can accomplish要干劲,你必须干劲,相信自己能成功
388your goals now, optimistic, I can do them into the future, and imaginative.你现在的目标,乐观, 我可以做他们的未来, 和想象力。
389There's a large range of有一大范围
390goals that I can accomplish.我可以完成的目标。
391The reason that expanded view of agency beyond just optimism机构观点的扩大不仅仅是乐观
392matters is at the heart of the new book.事情是新书的核心。
393That's human history, and when does human innovation这是人类的历史,人类何时创新
394occur?发生?
395That's in the presence of full-blown agency.这是在全局机构面前。
396How predictive is agency in someone's机构在别人身上有多有预测性
397outcomes, do you think?你觉得结果如何?
398Our best evidence comes across cultures and across time and place.我们的最佳证据来自不同文化以及时间和地点。
399What the book agency is about, it takes the human condition from hunter-gatherers书社会把猎人和采集者的人类状况
400through agriculture, through Homer, through the Greeks, through the Middle Ages,通过农业, 通过荷马, 通过希腊人, 通过中世纪,
401through the Reformation and the Renaissance, and through modern times, and asks the question,通过改革 和文艺复兴, 通过现代,问问题,
402when do human beings flourish and when do they stagnate?人类何时繁荣,何时停滞?
403In the laboratory, I devoted my life在实验室,我奉献了我的生命
404to showing that these three components, when they're present, produce more happiness and less显示这三个组成部分,当它们出现时, 产生更多的快乐和更少
405depression.抑郁症。
406The challenge of the book was to go back through history and ask the question,书中的挑战在于回顾历史 问问题
407there are long periods in which people stagnate.人们在很长一段时间里僵持不下。
408The Middle Ages is a very interesting example.中世纪是一个非常有趣的例子.
409There are other periods in which humans flourish and innovation flourishes.还有其他时期人类蓬勃发展,创新蓬勃发展.
410The hypothesis I was dealing with was, is this caused in the same way it is in the laboratory?我所处理的假设是, 这是否和实验室里一样?
411We know from the laboratory, when we make people more optimistic, more efficacious,我们从实验室知道 当我们让人们更加乐观 更加高效
412and more imaginative, they do better, less depressed, flourish.更富有想象力, 他们做的更好, 不那么沮丧,繁荣。
413The challenge was to go挑战就是离开
414through history and ask the question, what is the role of agency in human progress and human人类进步和人类进步中
415innovation?创新?
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418I've been in the gym for 20 years and it wasn't until the past few我在健身房待了20年 直到过去
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423It tells you your exercises,它告诉你的练习,
424how many sets, reps and weights that you need to do, everything.多少套,代表 和重量 你需要做,一切。
425So all that you have to do is show所以,你要做的就是显示
426up and lift.抬起来
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428automatically every week based on how you're actually progressing.每周自动根据你的实际进展
429For me, following a proper对我来说,遵循正轨
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433link in the description below, heading to rpstrength.com slash modern wisdom and using链接在下面的描述中,标题为 rpstrength.com slash 现代智慧并使用
434the code modern wisdom at checkout.密码 现代智慧在退票。
435这是 rpstrength.com 斜线现代智慧和现代
436wisdom at checkout.明智的检查。
437How have you come to learn about the relationship between humans and their你怎么来了解人类和他们的
438belief in agency?相信机构?
439How has that changed over time?随着时间的推移,情况有什么变化?
440So let me do this at least by example.因此,至少让我举个例子。
441If you look at just Homer, the Greeks, if you look at the older Homer, which is the Iliad in which如果你只看霍默,希腊人,如果你看 年长的霍默,这就是伊利亚德,其中
442Achilles doesn't do it, but the gods get Achilles to do it.阿ch梨不作,但诸神得阿ille梨.
443Achilles is not agentic.阿喀琉斯不是特务.
444A hundred years later, you've got Odysseus, the clever, wily, agentic person.一百年后,你得到了奥德修斯, 聪明,狡猾,代理的人。
445And if you track如果你跟踪
446across Greece, by looking at the texts from Homer through the sixth century, through the tragedians,在希腊各地,通过查看 霍默的文本 直到6世纪, 通过流浪汉,
447through the golden age, what you see is a mapping of increased belief in agency在黄金时代,你所看到的 是一张图 显示对机构的信心增加
448with increased progress in five different realms of life.在生命的五个不同领域有了更大的进步。
449The first is thought.第一个是思考。
450The second is第二个是
451the arts, literature, sculpture.艺术、文学、雕塑
452The third is technology, medicine, and science.第三是技术、医学和科学。
453The fourth is the quality of life, death rate.第四是生活质量,死亡率.
454And the fifth is political freedom,第五个是政治自由,
455that if we take just the Greek period, you get basically a perfect mapping between如果我们只用希腊时期, 你基本上得到一个完美的映射
456increases in the belief in agency, coded for by the philosophical writings,越来越相信代理, 由哲学著作编码,
457and increase in progress in all five of those domains.并增加所有五个领域的进展。
458Let me turn it on its side.让我把它转过来
459This progress continues through about 350 AD, and something very important happens in 383 AD,这一进展持续到大约350AD, 而一些非常重要的事情发生在383AD,
460and that's St. Augustine.那是圣奥古斯丁
461Christian philosophers are becoming more and more基督教哲学家越来越
462agentic.代理服务。
463More and more you can be holy, and what you choose to do in life when you die,你可以越来越神圣, 当你死的时候,你选择在生活中做什么,
464God is going to judge you for, and if you do good things and avoid the bad things,上帝会审判你 如果你做好事 避免坏事
465you're going to go to heaven.你会去天堂。
466That's the trajectory of Christian thought, continuing Greek thought.这就是基督教思想的轨迹,继续希腊思想.
467Augustine comes along in 383 and renounces human agency.383年奥古斯丁来袭,放弃人类机构.
468He declares that if you ever他宣称,如果你曾经
469resist temptation, if you ever do good things, ever avoid bad things, it's because God arbitrarily抗拒诱惑,如果你做过好事, 避免坏事,那是因为上帝任意
470injected you with grace.以恩赐给你
471This becomes church doctrine for the next almost thousand years,这成为教会的教义 在接下来的近千年,
472and what you get by all five criteria is stagnation and regression in thought, in political freedom,你从这五个标准中得到的是 思想的停滞和倒退 政治自由
473in quality of life, in technology, in science, and in the arts.在生活质量、技术、科学和艺术方面。
474If you map human progress如果你绘制人类进步图
475against what the philosophical and religious beliefs are of the time, when they're highly与当时哲学和宗教信仰的对立, 当他们高度
476agentic, that's when humans flourish, just as they do individually now from laboratory evidence.人类从实验室证据中独立出来,就是如此。
477Conversely, if the religious and philosophical doctrines are pessimistic, non-agentic, God does相反,如果宗教和哲学理论是悲观的,非唯物主义的,上帝会
478it, it's all chance, it's all determined, that's when you get stagnation.它,这是所有的机会, 它是所有的确定, 当你得到停滞。
479Does that suggest that modern religious believers这是否表明现代宗教信徒
480might be less agentic than if the same person was an atheist?可能不如同一个人是无神论者那样有代理力?
481It depends on the flavor of the religion.这取决于宗教的味道。
482Very interestingly enough, let's take modern Protestantism.非常有趣的是,让我们采取现代新教。
483The origins of modern Protestantism are Luther and Calvin, and contrary to what you might have现代新教起源于路德和加尔文,与你可能拥有的相反
484learned in school about the Reformation, Luther and Calvin out-Augustinian Augustine, that is,在学校里学到了改革, 路德和加尔文出奥古斯丁,即,
485they believe in utter depravity, predetermination, and the absence of freedom of the will.他们相信彻底的堕落, 预先决定, 和缺乏意志的自由。
486And indeed, in 1524, the leading Catholic theologian Erasmus writes a major article事实上,在1524年,天主教主要神学家伊拉斯谟写了一篇重要的文章
487called On the Freedom of the Will, and it basically says we're like toddlers.调用 关于意志的自由, 它基本上说,我们 像幼儿。
488We fall down,我们掉下去
489God lifts us up, but we have to have motive power of our own to be lifted up.上帝把我们抬起来,但我们必须拥有自己的动机力量才能被抬起来.
490Luther responds a year later saying, that's sheer nonsense.路德一年后回复说,这完全是胡说八道。
491We are predetermined.我们是预先确定的。
492Any time we're lifted up, it's only because God lifts us up.每当我们升起, 这仅仅是因为上帝让我们升起。
493So that's the origin of modern这就是现代的起源
494Protestantism.新教报.
495Catholicism is becoming highly agentic.天主教正在变得具有高度的促进作用。
496Luther和Calvin杀了那个
497But不过
498starting in the 17th and 18th century, Protestantism changes.从17世纪和18世纪开始,新教有所改变.
499It adopts the notion它采纳了这个概念
500that we can participate in our own grace, that we can actually choose to do things我们可以参与我们自己的恩典, 我们可以选择做一些事情
501that get us into heaven.这让我们进入天堂。
502It's very hard to find a Lutheran or a Calvinist who believes很难找到一个路德会或加尔文主义者
503anything like utter depravity, lack of freedom of the will, and predetermination.像是完全堕落 缺乏意志的自由 以及预先决定
504Protestantism of the original Calvin Luther form kills progress in all five realms, and indeed,最初的加尔文·路德的新教破坏了所有五个领域的进步,事实上,
505that's the evidence from what goes on.这是事实的证据
506Protestantism evolves from this fundamentalist新教从这个原教旨主义演变而来
507view and in many ways feeds the highly agentic American society and European society that we以及在许多方面为美国社会 和欧洲社会提供动力
508have today, and feeds greatly the last 200 years of unprecedented progress.并极大地推动了过去200年前所未有的进展。
509Bringing it into the modern world, how do you advise people to construct more agency in their把它带入现代世界,你如何建议人们 在他们的
510life?生活吗?
511Well, let's take the things one at a time.好吧,让我们一个接一个。
512So the first aspect of agency is efficacy, and因此,机构的第一个方面是效能,和
513that is how do you get better at undoing your beliefs that you can't succeed?这就是你如何更好地改变 你无法成功的信念?
514And indeed,事实上,
515half an hour ago, Chris, you and I went over a variety of techniques for coming to believe半小时前,克里斯,你和我 研究了各种各样的技巧来相信
516that you have more efficacy.让你更有效率。
517The best techniques for efficacy—and this all comes from the modern最佳的功效技术—— 这一切都来自现代
518psychological laboratory—is actually doing things and having them succeed.心理实验室——实际上是在做一些事情,让他们成功。
519And sometimes,有时候
520we have to break.我们必须打破。
521If you're feeling helpless and hopeless, and you're looking at your apartment如果你感到无助和绝望, 你看着你的公寓
522and it's filthy, and you get out of bed, what am I going to do?脏死了,你下床,我该怎么办?
523Go to your sink and wash one cup.去你的水槽洗个杯子
524Turns out, if you wash one cup, that leads to a cascade of mastery experiences.结果,如果你洗一个杯子, 导致一连串的掌握经验。
525One coffee tub.一个咖啡浴缸。
526You go on to two cups, and then you go on to cleaning up.你继续喝两杯 然后继续打扫
527And it turns out,结果发现,
528when you do graded task assignment with people, you systematically increase efficacy.当你与人一起分配任务的时候,你系统地提高效能。
529For increasing optimism, we talked about arguing against your most catastrophic thoughts为了增加乐观,我们谈到反对你最灾难性的想法
530and putting things in perspective.并且把事情的视角。
531Teaching efficacy and optimism, there are literally a thousand studies that have教学效果和乐观,实际上有一千种研究
532demonstrated you can do it, and you can be more efficacious and more optimistic证明你可以做到这一点, 你可以更高效和乐观
533and happier tomorrow than you are today.明天比今天更快乐
534I'm very interested in the question, can you be more imaginative and more creative?我对问题很感兴趣 你能更有想象力和创造力吗?
535Indeed,确实
536a lot of my work today with AI is exactly that question, and I'll tell you about that in a bit.我今天在AI的很多工作正是这个问题,我一会儿再告诉你这个问题.
537But in spite of the fact that you go to Barnes and Noble, you're going to find several bookshelves但尽管你去了巴恩斯和诺贝尔 你会找到几个书架
538called creativity and imagination.被称为创造力和想象力。
539No one's really succeeded at teaching more imagination没有人真正成功地教了更多的想象力
540and more creativity.和更多的创造力。
541So we've got brainstorming, we've got taking a shower, taking a break,所以我们有集思广益, 我们有一个淋浴,休息,
542but none of these things are enormously effective.但这些东西都没什么大不了的
543And it really wasn't until I came across直到我发现
544Claude和ChatGPT在人类的创造力 以及我们
545can become more imaginative.更能创造力
546And a lot of my work and thinking now is about the joint use of AI我的许多工作与思考 是关于共同使用AI
547and human imagination to produce an unprecedented level of creativity.和人类的想象力 产生前所未有的创造力
548It's interesting, I think a lot of people would assume that AI would be sapping agency,有趣的是,我想很多人会 假设AI会是盗版机构,
549you know, outsourcing thinking, outsourcing the feeling of being needed, of being useful in the你知道, 外包思维,外包 感觉需要, 有用在
550world.这个世界
551Yes, indeed.是的,确实。
552The doomsayers have the floor at the moment, and they're telling us all the说厄运的人现在要发言 他们告诉我们
553terrible things that AI might do to remove human agency, make us less human and the like.可怕的事情,AI可能做 移除人类机构, 使我们少人和类似。
554If AI had come along before Nicky 30 years ago, I would have joined them in as a doomsayer.如果AI在30年前就和尼基一起 我早就和他们一起当末日说客了
555I'd我会
556have been great at seeing all the hypotheticals that could go wrong.一直以来都非常喜欢看到 所有可能出错的假设
557But AI has done exactly the但是,AI确实做了
558opposite in my life.与我人生的对面
559And let me take you through my story about AI and why I've come to believe AI让我告诉你我的故事 关于AI和为什么我来相信AI
560is the best companion and supplementor of human agency of my lifetime.这是我一生中人类机构最好的伴侣和补充者。
561So first story, I have two four-year-old grandsons,所以第一个故事是 我有两个四岁的孙子
562Denny and Max.丹尼和麦克斯
563I am crazy about them.我为他们疯狂
564But the problem is, I'm 80 years older than they are.但问题是,我比他们大80岁。
565They walk faster than I can run.他们走得比我跑得快
566I can't throw a football around with them.我不能和他们一起踢足球
567And the sad thing,和悲伤的事情,
568starting at age two, I noticed that I was becoming invisible to them.从2岁开始,我注意到 我变得隐形 对他们。
569So what could I do?我该怎么办?
570So I went于是我离开了
571to Claude, and I said, Claude, Anthropics AI, help me write stories in which Max and Denny克劳德,我说,克劳德,人类学AI, 帮助我写故事 马克思和丹尼
572are the heroes.是英雄们
573So I said, chapter one, Max and Denny see the haunted lighthouse in Stone Harbor.所以我说,第一章,麦克斯和丹尼 看到在石港的鬼灯塔。
574Well, basically, we're now on book six, chapter 24.嗯,基本上,我们现在在第六本,第24章。
575This is where Max and Denny这是麦克斯和丹尼
576tour the solar system together.一起环游太阳系
577And basically, with a combination of Claude helping me write stories基本上 克劳德帮我写故事
578and Cat GPT giving wonderful oil paintings of Max and Denny from their photographs flying on和猫GPT 赠送精彩的油画 马克斯和丹尼 从他们的照片飞翔
579Pegasus and the like, the kids can't wait to see me anymore.飞马之类的 孩子们等不及要见我了
580I'm visible.我可见.
581They want to see me.他们想见我。
582They want the story.他们想要这个故事。
583So part one, the warm up is even though I'm very cognizant of the doomsayers所以,第一部分,热身是 虽然我非常了解 说末日的人
584saying we're going to be dehumanized, I've got more love in my life by a lot by the two people说我们要被非人化了, 我的生命中有更多的爱 通过很多 两个人
585I most care about in the world because of AI.我最关心的是AI
586That was part one, human emotion, big supplement这是第一部分,人类的情感,大补品
587for me.对我来说。
588But the big issue is creativity.但最大的问题是创造力。
589Is AI creative?AI有创意吗?
590And the answer is for me,答案是给我的
591there are two views of what the number is in creativity.数字在创造力上有两种观点。
592So the view that most of you probably所以,观点,你们大多数人可能
593is creativity comes out of the brow of Zeus.创造力来自宙斯的眉毛
594So it's one person, Michelangelo, a genius,所以,这是一个人,米开朗基罗, 一个天才,
595sculpting out of this piece of Marvel David.雕刻出这幅马维尔·大卫的作品.
596Well, I don't think AI is creative in the sense of我觉得人工智能在
597Michelangelo.米开朗基罗.
598But the second theory of creativity, which is one that I think is most plausible,但第二个创造力理论 我认为这个理论最可信
599is that the number is two.数字是2。
600It's the Wright brothers going back and forth.是赖特兄弟往来.
601It's McCartney是麦卡特尼
602and Lennon, Kahneman and Tversky, Balanchine and Farrell.以及列侬,卡恩曼和特维尔斯基,巴拉辛和法雷尔.
603Orville says this, Wilbur says no,奥维尔说,威尔伯说不,
604that's wrong.这是错误的。
605They go back and forth.复次诸行.
606And out of that, they not only figure out how birds fly,他们不仅知道鸟儿的飞行方式
607much more importantly, they create the first airplane.更重要的是,他们创造了第一架飞机。
608This is the sense in which AI is这就是人工智能的意义
609massively creative.巨大的创造性。
610And let me give you two examples of this.让我举两个例子。
611I've been working on this我一直在研究这个
612book of agency for seven years.代理书7年。
613There's been a lot of work.功德虽多.
614Chapter eight is about China.第八章是关于中国的.
615So这么说
616I had looked at the West and found that the more agentic people were, the more progress there was.我观察了西方,发现人们越是积极,进步就越大。
617But is this something peculiar about individualism and the West?但这是个人主义和西方的奇特之处吗?
618And so I looked at ancient China with所以我看着古代中国
619my Chinese colleagues from Beijing.我来自北京的中国同事
620And indeed, we tracked Chinese agentic thought from the事实上,我们追踪到中国特工的想法
621Tang Dynasty to modern times.唐朝至现代.
622And we basically found that when there was good balance between而我们基本上发现 当有良好的平衡
623individual and collective agency, that's when you get progress in China.个人和集体机构,这就是你在中国取得进步的时候。
624That's chapter eight.即为第八章.
625Chapter nine is Israel, the Hebrews.第九章是以色列,希伯来人.
626And what I had done in chapter nine is I look at agency而我在第九章中所做的是 我看着代理
627in the Torah.在图拉。
628Well, the five books of Moses are not very agentic.摩西的五本书不太能干
629God basically does the上帝基本上会
630heavy lifting here.举重这里。
631The Hebrews complain and go along with them.希伯来人抱怨并与之同行.
632But starting after the Torah但从"陀罗经"开始
633in the writings of the prophets, that's when you get human agency as opposed to God's agency.在先知的著作中, 也就是当你得到人代理 而不是上帝代理。
634That's chapter nine.这是第九章。
635I turned this into my editor.我把这个变成了我的编辑。
636She says, Marty, there's no transition她说,马蒂,没有过渡
637between chapter eight and chapter nine.在第八章和第九章之间。
638I had been staring at these chapters at that point for我一直盯着这些章节
639five and a half years, and I couldn't see a transition.五年半,我看不到一个过渡。
640So I go to Claude and say,所以我去找克劳德说
641hey, Claude, read chapter eight and read chapter nine and write me a transition.嘿 克劳德 读第八章 读第九章 给我写个过渡
642Whoosh.呜呼.
643At the same time across the globe as the Chinese were struggling with the question与此同时,全球各地的中国人都在为这个问题挣扎
644of the relationship of individual agency to the state, the Israelites were wrestling with以色列人与国家的关系,
645a more basic question, the relationship of human agency to God.一个更基本的问题 人类与上帝的关系
646Well, that turns out to be exactly原来如此
647right.对
648I couldn't see it.我看不见
649Claude could see it.克劳德可以看到它。
650Here's the big thing that Claude did creatively.这是克劳德创造性地做的大事
651So that's just one example of maybe a very clever critic could have come up with that.因此,这只是一个例子,也许一个非常聪明的批评家会想到这一点。
652But Claude did and I didn't.但我没有
653But here's something Claude and但这是克劳德和
654Chat GPT did that with my going back and forth with them that no human being could possibly have查特・GPT做了,我 与他们往返, 没有人可能有
655done.结束了。
656They solved something I call the mystery of the Axial Age.他们解决了我称之为轴心时代的谜题
657Now, the Axial Age is if you look现在,轴线时代是 如果你看
658at a thousand BCE at Greece, China, the Hebrews, Persia, and India.在希腊、中国、希伯来人、波斯和印度的一千个BCE。
659On terms of progress,在进展方面,
660all of these cultures are backwater villages, no coinage.所有这些文化都是背水村,没有硬币。
661You take any criteria of progress,你接受任何进步标准,
662nothing is happening in a thousand BCE.一千个BCE里什么都没有发生
663500 BCE,500 年后,
664all five of these civilizations are booming.所有五个文明都在蓬勃发展。
665They're inventing things, coinage, art, tragedy,他们发明的东西,硬币,艺术,悲剧,
666Buddha, Confucius.菩萨,孔子.
667What happened in the 500 years?这500年发生了什么?
668What happened in five cultures across在五种文化中发生的事情
669the Axial Age that enabled innovation?让创新成为动力的轴心时代?
670That's called the great mystery of the Axial Age.这被称为轴线时代的大谜团.
671Something big happened to human beings between a thousand and 500 BCE.在一千到五百个BCE之间 人类发生了大事
672I had the hypothesis that it was words, that in a thousand BCE, none of these five cultures had我有一个假设,这是文字, 在一千个BCE, 这五个文化中没有一个有
673words for human agency.说给人类机构听
674Then by 500 BCE, they've got words that describe, I can do it, optimism,到了500BCE,他们有 描述,我可以做到这一点,乐观,
675efficacy, and imagination.功效和想象力
676That's the hypothesis.这就是假设。
677That's Orville saying it's words that did it.那是奥维尔说,这是词 做到了。
678I went to Wilbur, in this case Claude, and again with Chat GPT.我去了威尔伯,在这个案件中克劳德, 和查特GPT。
679I said, look, is this true?我说,你看,这是真的吗?
680Could it be there were no words for human agency in a thousand?难道一千人里没有人类机构的话吗?
681Then suddenly this huge panoply突然间 突然间 突然间
682of agency words have developed, and so both of them went through.所以他们俩都经历了
683No human being.无有众生.
684There's还有
685barely a field called ancient philology anymore, but there is no human being who is fluent in几乎没有一个叫做古哲学的领域了, 但没有人谁谁流利
686Aramaic, Hebrew, Sanskrit, ancient Chinese,阿拉姆语 希伯来语 梵语 古中国语
687changes in Persian language, and ancient Greek, and Golden Age Greek, but they are.波斯语的变迁,古希腊语的变迁,以及黄金时代希腊语的变迁,但都是.
688They're ancient philologists.他们是古代的哲学家.
689After a day of going back and forth, they basically demonstrate经过一天的往返, 他们基本上展示
690{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这五种文化都发现了
691about human agency.关于人体机构。
692When we have words, then we can do things.当我们有话要说,我们就能做点什么。
693If you take a term like sexual如果你拿一个术语像性
694harassment, people were always being harassed sexually in the office from time immemorial,从古到今,人们总是在办公室受到性骚扰,
695but we didn't have the word until about 1975.但我们直到1975年才知道
696Once we got the words, we got lawsuits and mandatory一旦我们得到的字, 我们有诉讼和强制
697training, and the B2 movement, and the like, because the words came into being.训练,和B2运动,等等, 因为词出现。
698When you've当你有了
699got words for agency, that enhances human agency.有话要说 能够增强人的能力
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702five years now, which is a cold glass of water with Element in it.5年了,这是一杯冷水 里面有元素。
703Element is an electrolyte元素是电解质
704drink mixed with everything that you need and nothing that you don't.饮与一切你需要的 和一切你没有的。
705It's a science-backed这是一个科学支持
706electrolyte ratio of sodium, potassium, and magnesium.钠、钾和镁的电解比。
707No sugar, no coloring, no artificial没有糖,没有颜色,没有人工
708ingredients.成分。
709It reduces muscle cramps and fatigue, supports brain function, and helps to regulate减少肌肉抽筋和疲劳,支持大脑功能,帮助调节
710your appetite throughout the day.你的胃口 一整天。
711I genuinely notice the difference when I take it versus when我真正注意到区别 当我接受它与何时
712I don't, which is why I don't shut up about it, and also why it's used by everyone, from Dr. Andrew所以我才不闭口不谈 也是为什么每个人都会用它,从安德鲁医生那里
713Huberman to Olympic athletes and FBI sniper teams, the good sniper teams, not the bad ones.休伯曼呼叫奥运运动员和联邦调查局狙击队,好狙击队,而不是坏的.
714Also, they have a no questions asked refund policy, so if you don't like it for any reason,而且,他们没有问题 问退款政策,所以如果你不喜欢它 任何理由,
715they'll just give you your money back.他们会把钱还给你的
716Plus, they offer free shipping in the US.此外,他们在美国提供免费航运。
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719to the link in the description below, or heading to drinklmnt.com slash modern wisdom.和下面描述的链接,或向 drinklmnt.com 斜线现代智慧。
720那是drinklmnt.com (英语).
721slash modern wisdom.斜击现代智慧.
722Does that have an implication that because humans learn through language as这是否意味着人类通过语言学习
723well as action, that the infectiousness of the culture that we put ourselves into, the sort of以及行动,我们所投入的文化的传染性,
724content that we expose ourselves to, the things we read, the friends that were around, the stories内容,我们暴露自己, 我们读的东西, 朋友身边,故事
725that we hear, that has a unique contribution to our learned hopefulness or helplessness对我们所学到的希望或无助 有着独特的贡献
726and our ability to understand agency.以及我们了解机构的能力
727It feels like we're very permeable in that way for what感觉我们非常 渗透的方式什么
728narrative and story and local influence can be on our belief in agency and therefore our ability叙事和故事以及地方影响可以影响我们对机构的信念,从而影响我们的能力
729to enact agency.以颁布机构。
730Absolutely.当然
731Here's an example from the Bible, from Hebrew.以下是圣经中的一个例子,来自希伯来语.
732In the Torah,在《讨拉特》里,
733go beyond the Torah, after the Torah, the word teshuvah occurs for the first time.超越"陀罗",在"陀罗"之后,Teshuvah一词首次出现.
734Teshuvah means repentance, that you can redo your life.Tesuvah的意思是忏悔 你可以重过自己的生活
735It doesn't occur in the Torah.不见于陀罗尼经.
736Once you have a notion like repentance, that tells you there are agentic things that you can do一旦你有了悔改的念头,那就告诉你,有些事情你可以做
737to repent, to make life better.忏悔 改善生活
738And as far as we can see, that doesn't exist before.而据我们所知,这在以前并不存在.
739In Greek, we get the word weakness of the will.在希腊语中,我们得到意志的弱点。
740Well, before that word, what you have is a好吧,在这个词之前,你有一个
741civilization in which the gods are telling you what to do.在文明中 众神在教你怎么做
742When you get weakness of the will,当你得到意志的软弱,
743that has a concept of the human being as having a will, and when they go astray, it's something人类有意志的概念 当他们误入歧途
744they're responsible for.他们有责任。
745So our entire notions of moral responsibility did not exist in these因此,我们的整个道德责任概念 并不存在在这些
746five cultures a thousand years ago.千年前的五种文化。
747But once you get words that are about will and freedom但一旦你得到关于意志和自由的话
748and choice and repentance, then you get a completely different view of what the human选择和忏悔,然后你得到 一个完全不同的观点 什么人
749being is and that the human being can make life better.人类可以让生活更美好
750How differently do you think a human mind would have experienced reality 1200 years ago你觉得1200年前 人类的心灵会经历多少不同
751than me or you or anybody listening does now?比我或你,或任何人 听现在做?
752Well, it's very hard to know.很难知道
753And the evidence that we have is just through what's written.而我们掌握的证据 就是通过写的东西。
754But one major hypothesis, this is of Julian Jaynes, a wonderful book called The Bicameral但有一个主要假设,这是朱利安·杰恩斯的 一本很棒的书,叫做"两院制"
755Mind about 50 years ago.注意50年前的事了 注意点
756He was a teacher of mine.他是我的老师
757Jaynes argued that consciousness itself,杰恩斯认为意识本身,
758this thing inside of us that's looking at this landscape of reality and has agency, isn't there我们内心的这个东西 看着现实的面貌 有代理,是不是有
759until the Bronze Age.直到青铜时代
760And so for Jaynes, the transition in Homer from Achilles being a puppet对Jaynes来说 荷马从阿基里斯的过渡是傀儡
761of the gods to Odysseus being this masterful, cunning, wily person is a huge change in{\fn华文楷体\fs16\1cHE0E0E0}上帝对奥德修斯来说 {\fn华文楷体\fs16\1cHE0E0E0}是一个巨大的变化
762consciousness.意识。
763So the extreme people here believe that consciousness as we know it所以这里的极端人相信我们所知道的意识
764is barely present 3000 years ago, but by 2500 years ago, it's across the globe.几乎是3000年前的, 但是到2500年前, 它遍布全球。
765And indeed, the writings we have indicate that.事实上,我们所写的文章表明了这一点。
766So if you look across different cultures,所以,如果你看 不同文化,
767there aren't psychological words in 1000 BCE.1000BCE里没有心理词
768And before writing occurs for the first time在第一次写作之前
7693500 BCE, there are no psychology, no consciousness words.3500BCE,没有心理学,没有意识词.
770There are lists有名单
771and there are words about the gods and the idols.并有关于众神和众神灵的文字。
772但到了500BCE,
773consciousness emerges.意识出现.
774So the most radical hypothesis is that we weren't conscious所以最激进的假设是 我们没有意识
7753000 years ago and something new happened.3000年前,发生了一些新的事情。
776Consciousness as we know it now, introspection我们现在知道的意识,回顾
777develops for the first time.第一次开发。
778And that's the radical view.这就是激进的观点。
779Yeah.对
780And the mechanism for that would be this kind of self-belief, this language,而这个机制就是这种自信 这种语言,
781this cultural technology that allowed us to reflect inward.这种文化技术让我们能够内向反射。
782Because I think I'm right in因为我认为我是对的
783having the bicameral mind, the whole point of that was that the inner words that we有两院制的思想, 整个要点是 我们内心的话
784have inside of ourselves would not seem to be self-generated.我们的内心似乎不是自我创造的
785They were.他们是。
786So the所以说
787spoken from above or below I guess they were they were from God well indeed从上到下,我猜他们都是从真主那里来的。
788James's hypothesis is quasi neurological it's that 3,000 years ago the gods are詹姆士的假设是 准神经学是3000年前的神祇
789talking to us from the right hemisphere to the left hemisphere okay and that as从右半球到左半球的谈话
790the corpus callosum develops oh this is a this is a structural argument this is这个是结构论
791a phenomenological argument is structural wow that's a neural mythology I think it's生理学上的论点是结构 哇,是神经神话,我想是
792more like population pressures so I think on 3,000 years ago you could get更像是人口压力,所以我想 在3000年前,你可以得到
793along in your little tribe by listening to the gods and obeying your parents在你的小部落里,通过倾听神灵和服从父母
794but in all five of these cultures there is upheaval the Doric invasion the raiders但是在这五种文化中 都发生了动乱 多里克入侵突袭者
795from across the sea and when there's upheaval and you meet new people in order to survive从海对面,当有 动荡,你遇见新的人 为了生存
796listening to the gods of your fathers and obeying them doesn't get along very well with these听令尊的神灵的话 服从他们的神灵 和他们相处不好
797you have to be able to think about what they might be thinking you have to leave listening你必须能够思考 他们可能认为 你必须离开听
798to the gods and form other minds and so from my point of view what social upheaval does is it从我的观点来看 社会动荡是
799drives consciousness consciousness in particular what's called theory of mind being able to驱使意识,特别是所谓的心灵理论 能够
800intuit what the other person might be thinking is what drives the change in consciousness随心所欲 别人可能想的是什么 驱动意识的改变
801between 1,500 and more specifically for me it's you get words that do this given that I think1500到更具体地说, 对我来说,这是你得到的文字 做到这一点,因为我认为
802almost everybody loves the idea of more freedom more independence more agency if they know that几乎每个人都喜欢 更多自由的想法 独立更多代理 如果他们知道
803is more agency always a better thing for humans is there such a thing as having too much agency更多的代理总是更好的事物 对于人类来说,有 这样的事物,有太多的代理
804I think agency is double-edged and so most of what I do in the book is to take the three我觉得中介机构是双重的 所以我在书中所做的大部分就是拿下三个
805components efficacy optimism and imagination and celebrate them and talk about the progress* 部分效果乐观和想象力,庆祝和谈论进展
806that it brings but each of these has a shadow side so efficacy is our ability to accomplish它带来,但每一个都有阴影的一面 所以功效是我们完成的能力
807goals but the fact that we can make an atom bomb doesn't mean we should it doesn't tell us但我们能制造原子弹 并不意味着我们不该说
808uh so we we develop the steam engine and this has a lot of costs in pollution and the like所以我们开发蒸汽机 这在污染方面有很多成本
809so efficacy had being able to do something doesn't tell us we should do it being optimistic about因此,效力 能够做一些事情 不告诉我们,我们应该这样做 乐观
810things doesn't mean they're going to turn out well it leads to事情并不代表他们会 发现很好 它导致
811foolish decisions but it also leads to blaming the victim and that is if you think that good愚蠢的决定 但也会导致责怪受害者 如果你觉得这样很好
812character and smarts produce wealth technology freedom and you find people who are poor and性格和聪明能创造财富科技自由 你找到穷人
813oppressed you might blame them for not doing this so that's the shadow side of optimism and被压迫的你可能会责怪他们没有这样做 所以这就是乐观的影子
814the shadow side of imagination is we've now imagined to my mind the greatest technological想象力的影子 是我们想象中最伟大的技术
815development in my lifetime which is AI we don't know what it's going to do so having efficacy我生命中的发展就是AI 我们不知道它会有什么效果
816optimism and imagination produces progress but what we need is a wise and moral sense乐观和想象能带来进步 但我们需要的是明智和道德感
817about efficacy optimism and imagination and that's not something that we can guarantee关于效率的乐观和想象 我们无法保证
818what was that analysis you did about trump and harris about that debate um i've been quite你对这场辩论做了什么分析?
819interested in the relationship between optimism and winning elections and uh so i had done quite对乐观和赢得选举的关系感兴趣 所以我做了很多
820bit of work on coding uh optimism over the last since grover cleveland actually till now and uh做一些关于编码的工作... ... 呃...
821looking at optimism in the nomination acceptance speeches rating optimism and in more than half the在接受提名的演讲中看到乐观,在超过一半的演讲中看到乐观。
822elections the more optimistic candidate wins uh so trump and harris presented a very interesting更乐观的候选人胜出,哈里斯呈现了一个非常有趣的
823contrast um everyone thought that trump was a doomsayer and a pessimist and indeed in the反之,大家都认为 霸权是一个末日 和悲观主义者
824following sense he was and that he talks about a lot more bad events than harris does but uh i根据他的感觉 他谈论的坏事 比哈里斯做的更多,但呃,我
825haven't been interested in the number of bad events the more bad events the darker you sound没有兴趣 坏事件的数量 越坏事件 你的声音越黑暗
826but uh uh in the nomination acceptance speeches trump and harris uh are about equally optimistic但是,呃,在提名 接受演讲胜出 和Harris 嗯 大约同样乐观
827and pessimistic so that would have said to me well it was a dead heat but for the first time并悲观,这样我就会说 这是一个死热,但第一次
828i decided to track all the press conferences going right right through uh october uh uh 31st我决定追踪所有记者招待会 直接通过 呃 october 呃 31st
829uh i'd never done that before and starting around september 15th trump gets more and more我从来没有这样做过 以前和开始 围绕September 15的王牌越来越
830optimistic uh darker but the causes for trump are things he can change he's going to change them乐观点,呃,黑暗点... ...但霸权的起因是...
831his attributions are optimistic and by election day uh trump is uh considerably more optimistic他的归属是乐观的 到选举日... ......
832than harris uh we put our data in a sealed envelope we sent it to reporters and the like我们把数据放进密封信封里 寄给记者之类的
833and i think we were the only pundits who predicted a substantial trump victory wow that is fascinating我认为我们是唯一一个 预言了重大胜利的学问
834i mean it goes to show how alluring optimism is you know not not just functionally useful inside我的意思是,它去显示如何诱人 乐观是,你不仅知道 功能有用的内部
835of your own life but it's a it's a kind of an attractor i suppose to sort of bring people in你的生活,但它是一种 一种吸引,我应该 排序带人进来
836what um of course misery loves company but company does not like misery uh and it turns out if you do当然,嗯痛苦 喜欢公司 但公司不喜欢 痛苦,呃,结果如果你这样做
837the following experiment uh i give you uh i'm gonna make you make cold calls and you're gonna接下来的实验... ...我给你... ...我要让你打冷电话...
838read a script either in a very depressive tone or in a real chirpy tone and you just wait读一个剧本,或者用非常压抑的语气,或者用真正的鸣叫的语气,你就等着
839till people hang up on you you hang up on depressed people much faster uh than chirpy people直到人们挂断你的电话 你挂断了抑郁症的人... ...
840in general optimism is a uh attractive characteristic the supplement industry is总的来说,乐观是 一种非常吸引人的特征 补充工业是
841{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}所有的产品都声称他们不能回来 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这就是为什么我这么热衷于
842momentous their co-founder jeff byers played in the nfl and saw firsthand just how wildly the他们共同创始人Jeffer在NFL玩过 亲眼目睹了
843quality of supplements can vary so he built momentous around a higher standard every product补充品的质量会有所不同 所以他围绕更高的标准 制造出很多产品
844momentous uses evidence-backed ingredients transparent doses and independent third-party大量使用证据支持的成分 透明剂量和独立第三方
845testing everything is nsf certified for sports so what's on the label is actually what's in the tub测试每件东西都经过体育认证 所以标签上的东西实际上是浴缸里的东西
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850back guarantee by going to the link in the description below or heading to live momentous通过到下面描述中的链接或前往生命的重要位置来进行背面保证
851dot com slash modern wisdom and using the code modern wisdom at checkout that's l i v e m o m e点 com 斜线 现代智慧 并使用代码 现代智慧在退票,即 I v e m o m e
852n t o u s dot com slash modern wisdom and modern wisdom at checkout are you familiar with resting现代智慧和退房时的智慧 你熟悉休息
853bitch face do you know what that is no tell me about that resting resting bitch face is i i have婊子脸,你知道什么是 不告诉我 休息休息婊子脸,我有
854a little bit of resting bitch face um it is a passive face when you're not doing anything you're有点休息的婊子脸... ...嗯...
855just sat across the far side of the room maybe you're thinking about something and some people只是坐在房间的另一边 也许你在想一些事情和一些人
856across the far side of the room might look like this they're just sort of ambiently happy other穿过房间的另一边 可能看起来像这样 他们只是环境上很快乐
857people might look a little bit more like this and for the people that are listening i smiled and then人们可能看起来有点像 和那些正在听的人 我微笑然后
858i did my normal face my normal face is what's referred to as a resting bitch face it's someone我做了我正常的面孔 我正常的面孔 就是所谓的休息母狗脸
859who's like just minus 10% happy is there a literature on whether or not people like the有文献可以证明人们是否喜欢
860resting bitch face i don't know this is this this could be the next book actually i'm gonna do it休息的婊子的脸 我不知道这是这本书 可能是下本书 实际上我会做到这一点
861no yeah so resting bitch face resting bitch face uh who knew that i was gonna teach maybe the不,是的,所以休息的婊子 面对休息的婊子 谁知道我要去教 也许
862greatest positive psychologist of all time about resting bitch face today um i the reason the reason有史以来最伟大的心理学家 关于休息婊子的脸今天... ...
863i bring it up is resting uh resting smiling face or resting bitch face is kind of the same as what我提出它是在休息... 休息在笑容上... 或者休息在母狗脸上...
864you're talking about with the script it's the same person but just this sense of a demeanor it's the你在说剧本 是同一个人 但是这种贬低感
865packaging that everything's being wrapped in but somebody can say the same script but if it's a包装,所有的东西都在包里, 但有人可以说相同的剧本,但如果是一个
866little bit more bouncy but we do um ad reads for the podcast right and sometimes when i have to do有点刺激,但我们做嗯广告 读播客的权利,有时当我必须做
867a big chunk of them in a single day i'm not super i've been tired maybe i had a hard day or something一天之内一大堆人... ...我不是很累...
868and the difference in how when i watch them back how happy i am to watch my own reads because in当我看着他们回来时 我是多么高兴看到自己的阅读 因为
869one of them i felt really positive about i'm saying the same words but i'm not saying them其中一个我觉得我很肯定 我说的是同样的话 但我没有说
870with the same level of bubbliness and bounciness anyway my point here is resting bitch face is不管怎么说,我的观点是 休息的婊子脸是
871someone wrapping the same face the same person the same demeanor in just a slightly different有人将同样的面孔 包裹在同一个人 同样的轻率
872expression and i think that uh that can change how people interpret who you are我觉得这可以改变人们如何诠释你
873well i've written it down and i'm going to work on it who knew there is a literature on fertility好吧,我已经写下来了,我要去研究它 谁知道有关于生育力的文献
874and optimism that optimistic people have more children uh that's something about attractiveness乐观地说,乐观的人有 更多的孩子,呃,这就是什么吸引力
875that's interesting i mean certainly we like to be around people that are positive some for the most有趣的是,我的意思是,我们当然喜欢 身边的人是积极的一些 对于大多数
876part i also wonder whether part of the optimism is those people just assume that they can deal我也想知道,乐观的一面是不是 那些人只是假设 他们可以交易
877with more children they think i've had one two will be fine three will be fine four will be他们认为我生了两个孩子 三个就够了 四个就够了
878fine as opposed to maybe some people that are a little bit more uncertain about the future they而不是某些人 更不确定他们的未来
879might not be they might not be so so conscious about whether they could deal with it i guess可能不是,他们可能没那么清楚 他们能不能应付,我想
880i'm kind of interested i'm just reminded chris of something that happened recently in my life about我有点感兴趣 我只是提醒Chris 最近发生的事情
881well-being and positivity and this actually is an example of how even at my age you can change so幸福与积极 这其实是一个例子 说明即使在我这个年纪 你也能改变
882you know i'm a complainer particularly at restaurants and i noticed when you know i'm你知道,我是一个抱怨者 特别是在餐馆 我注意到当你知道我
883serious about wine and food and i had been noticing that when i took all my kids and认真对待葡萄酒和食物 我一直注意到 当我带走我所有的孩子,
884wife to good restaurants that they would cringe whenever the wine was brought to me妻子去好餐馆,他们会哭 当葡萄酒带给我时
885to taste because i would turn it down and criticize it and i realized uh really for the first time in来品尝 因为我会小声点批评它 我意识到 呃
886my life watching them cringe uh that if mandy my wife who is a sunny positive uh good resting face我一生都在看着他们... ...呃...
887in fact uh if she was complained as much as i did i wouldn't want to be married to her事实上,如果她和我一样被投诉 我不想和她结婚
888and so about two years ago i resolved after the most recent restaurant experience大约两年前,我通过最近的餐厅经验 解决了问题
889not to complain anymore at rest we tested it out and about a week later we all went to a restaurant不要再抱怨了 我们测试过了 大约一周后 我们都去了一家餐厅
890and uh i ordered steak tartar and the maitre d came over to me and said oh i'm sorry professor嗯,我点了牛排塔塔尔 和女祭司过来 对我说,哦,对不起教授
891uh the machine is broken machine you don't make steak tartar with a machine the machine机器坏了,你不用机器做牛排塔塔
892you shave the shave the beef with a knife i'll have the smoked salmon uh so indeed i've stopped你用刀把牛肉剃了 我就把熏了的鲑鱼吃了 所以我真的停了
893uh it's not the resting bitch face although my resting face is frowny but i've learned the cost虽然我的休息脸皱眉 但我已经学会了代价
894of complaining and i can break myself of complaining resting complaining face at a uh at a restaurant抱怨和我可以打破自己 抱怨休息的脸 在呃 在餐厅
895i guess you know after all of this time you know over half a century of studying human flourishing我想你知道 过了这么多年 你知道半个多世纪 研究人类的繁荣
896what have you come to believe about what makes life worth living what is a good life well你相信什么 使生命值得生活 什么是美好的生活
897two things first i'd say the first is that uh having agency uh waking up in the morning首先我要说第一件事是 呃... 有个机构...
898and having things that you can master that you're optimistic about uh is crucial for拥有你能掌握的东西 你乐观的呃是关键
899well-being happiness and how long you live and the second is the importance of living in the future幸福 幸福 你活多久 第二是未来生活的重要性
900as opposed to the past or the present so i i think uh the human species example is that we而不是过去或现在 所以我觉得人类的例子就是我们
901are creatures of the future that more than half of our thinking is planning for the future uh是未来的生物 我们一半以上的想法 都在为未来做计划
902and so i think it's very important to understand that we metabolize the past and the present所以我认为重要的是 要明白 我们代谢过去和现在
903in order to have a better future so being agentic and being perspective为了有一个更美好的未来 如此具有促进性和视角
904are for me the two keys to human flourishing across all of the papers that you've written对我来说,是人类兴旺的两把钥匙 你写的所有论文
905is a is there a best paper you wrote that you think didn't get anywhere near as much attention这是你写的最好的论文,你认为没有 得到更多的关注
906as it should have done it's the very best paper i've ever written almost no one has read因为它应该做的 这是我写过最好的论文 几乎没人读过
907uh i'm very interested in in dreaming uh and indeed about 40 years ago i wrote up my theory我对做梦很感兴趣 大约40年前我写了我的理论
908of dreaming which i think really is right it says dreams have three and only three components说梦有三部分,只有三部分
909one visual hallucinations secondly an emotional tone underneath it and third plot making by一个视觉幻觉,第二个是情感语气 第三个情节由
910relating the successive visual hallucinations to the underlying emotion well i think that把连续的视觉幻觉 和内心的情感联系起来 我认为
911explains dreaming i think i nailed it in fact it's the only thing i've ever written which i解释做梦,我想我钉它 事实上,这是我唯一写过的东西
912didn't have doubts about so i sent it i sent it to the psychological review which is our major没有怀疑 所以我把它寄给了心理审查
913journal and for two years the following thing went on uh 16 reviewers over the course of two years接下来的两年里 16位评论员在两年里
914half of whom say this is the best article on dreaming i've ever seen and half of them saying一半的人说这是我见过的 关于梦的最佳文章 一半的人说
915if you publish this i'm canceling my subscription to the psychological review so in fact i think如果你发表这个 我将取消对心理评论的订阅 所以事实上我想
916the only the best paper i've ever written uh uh maybe a hundred people have read这是我写过最好的报纸 呃... 也许有一百人看过
917in a very obscure journal well my favorite book of yours is what you can change and what you can't在一本很模糊的日记里 我最喜欢的书是 你能够改变的,你无法改变的
918and maybe not quite as obscure but that i i took the behavioral genetics red pill可能没有那么晦涩 但我把行为遗传学的红药丸
919robert plowman came on the show and i really sort of tumbled down the rabbit hole of understanding罗伯特·普尔曼上演了这个节目 我真的有点迷茫了
920predisposition and heritability and twin studies and joyce benenson came on the show and had lots早熟、早熟、双胞胎研究 喜悦的Benenson 上演了节目 并且有很多
921of conversations about this stuff and i think anyone that learns about the fact the building我想任何知道这栋楼事实的人
922blocks of what makes you a predetermined or at least predisposed before you arrive让你在到达之前 成为预设或至少预设的
923immediately you start to ask the question well how much should i try and what areas am i going你马上开始问问题,我该试多少,我要去哪些领域
924{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}以及我应该关注什么领域 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}呃 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}机构书很棒
925you can change and what you can't for me was just so even if it is one of your more uh niche你可以改变,而你无法为我做的事 就是即使这是你更...
926books it was wonderful like really really fantastic and i i reread it recently it must be书是美妙的,真的很棒 而且我最近重新读了它,它一定是
92725 years old or so i i had written five editions of abnormal psychology so every five years i had25岁左右,我写了五本反常心理学 所以我每五年写一本
928revised the textbook with new discoveries well there were almost none and in fact what i said用新的发现来修改教科书 几乎没有,事实上我说的话
929in the book what you can change and what you can't that's pretty much remained the same so在书中,什么你可以改变,什么你不能改变, 几乎没有变化,所以
930psychotherapy and drugs work decently well on some things and don't work at all on others心理治疗和药物在有些事情上是正常的 而在另一些事情上是行不通的
931and it's very important for people to realize what is malleable and what is not对人们来说,认识到什么是可交易的,什么不是
932so you don't waste your money and effort on the stuff that's not changeable in fact there are所以不要浪费你的钱和精力 在那些不能改变的东西 事实上有
933lots of things in human life that are incorrigible and unchangeable and there are a lot of other人类生活中很多无法改变的东西 还有很多其他的
934things which are malleable and correctable and it's very important to know the difference事情是可塑的和可纠正的, 了解区别是非常重要的
935what of your ambitions in life is to not be boring why is that你在生活中的野心是什么 是不要无聊 为什么
936at age 21 when i decided to become a psychologist i went to one of my professors peter madison21岁的时候,我决定成为心理学家 我去找我的一位教授Peter Madison
937and i told him i was going to become i was going to go to graduate school in psychology rather than我告诉他我会成为 进入研究生院 心理学而不是
938philosophy or become a professional bridge player those were my other two options and peter said哲学或成为职业桥梁选手 这是我另外两个选择 彼得说
939marty uh there are two reasons to become a psychologist one is not to be wrong玛蒂 呃 成为心理学家有两个原因 一个不是错的
940and the other is not to be boring i hope you choose the latter and indeed that's what i've而另一个是不要无聊 我希望你选择后者,事实上这就是我曾经
941chosen so good martin seligman ladies and gentlemen martin you rule i think you're great i love your选了这么棒的马丁 赛利格曼女士们先生们 马丁先生们
942work i just a unbelievable contribution to pivoting the world of psychology i'm so happy where should工作,我只是一个不可思议的贡献 支撑心理学的世界 我是如此的高兴在哪里应该
943people go to keep up to date with everything that you've got going on i've never woken up in the人们会跟随你的一切 我从来没有醒来过
944morning more excited than about my work than now and that's because there's something hugely new早上比我的工作更兴奋 因为有些事很新鲜
945on the horizon and that's ai so in my field and in my life ai changes everything it's the most在地平线上,这是Ai,所以在我的领域 和我的生活Ai改变一切 它是最
946important technological development in my life uh and it's really the first time in my life i我生命中的重要科技发展 也是我生命中第一次
947wished i was 21 again and not 84 wow well it's nice you know as a it's very popular and very希望我又21岁了 而不是84,哇...
948trendy for people to push back against ai at the moment and um your learned optimism appears to be时下人们对Ai的反感 你的乐观态度似乎
949uh managing to countervail even the most uh negative of forces about how people feel about对付人们的感受 甚至是最负面的力量
950the the forthcoming robot apocalypse martin i appreciate you very much thank you so much for即将来临的机器人启示录 Martin 我非常感谢你 非常感谢你
951thank you chris good to meet you good to meet you too a quick note lots of people tell us that谢谢你,克里斯 很高兴见到你 很高兴见到你 太快的音符 很多人告诉我们
952youtube unsubscribes them from the channel even though they already pressed it so just check down尽管YouTube已经按了,但从频道上取消了他们的订阅,所以请检查一下
953there and see if the subscribe button is pressed you get access to episodes before anybody else if看是否按了订阅按钮 你就能比其他人先访问剧集
954you do supports me and the show helps me to bring you bigger and better guests and it makes me very你确实支持我 节目帮助我给你带来 更大更好的客人 让我非常
955happy so just go and give it a tap for me i thank you i thank you good to meet you good to meet you很高兴,所以就去给我打个电话 谢谢,谢谢你,很高兴见到你
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