（中英附文稿）心流可以训练：从减少干扰到调整任务难度，找到真
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| 0:00 | If you were seeing any human being performing at their best, | 如果你看到任何人类尽其所能 |
| 0:04 | chances are, flow is involved. | 机会是,流动涉及。 |
| 0:06 | It's the most addictive state on Earth, period. | 这是地球上最令人上瘾的状态,时期。 |
| 0:08 | What does a flow state feel like? | 流动状态是什么感觉? |
| 0:10 | It's where I want to be. | 谓欲处处. |
| 0:12 | And when you're in that, there's no better feeling. | 当你在其中, 没有更好的感觉。 |
| 0:14 | When it happens, you have no idea what the fuck is going on. | 当它发生,你不知道 什么是他妈的是怎么回事。 |
| 0:17 | Everything becomes one, and there is no time. | 一切都变成一个,没有时间。 |
| 0:19 | It's so focused on what you're doing, | 它是如此专注于你在做什么, |
| 0:21 | that everything else just starts to fade away and disappear. | 其他的一切都开始消失和消失 |
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| 1 | If you were seeing any human being performing at their best, | 如果你看到任何人类尽其所能 |
| 2 | chances are, flow is involved. | 机会是,流动涉及。 |
| 3 | It's the most addictive state on Earth, period. | 这是地球上最令人上瘾的状态,时期。 |
| 4 | What does a flow state feel like? | 流动状态是什么感觉? |
| 5 | It's where I want to be. | 谓欲处处. |
| 6 | And when you're in that, there's no better feeling. | 当你在其中, 没有更好的感觉。 |
| 7 | When it happens, you have no idea what the fuck is going on. | 当它发生,你不知道 什么是他妈的是怎么回事。 |
| 8 | Everything becomes one, and there is no time. | 一切都变成一个,没有时间。 |
| 9 | It's so focused on what you're doing, | 它是如此专注于你在做什么, |
| 10 | that everything else just starts to fade away and disappear. | 其他的一切都开始消失和消失 |
| 11 | We feel a sense of control. | 我们感到一种控制感。 |
| 12 | You look at Michael Jordan in a flow state, | 你看迈克尔・乔丹 在流动状态, |
| 13 | you see the windmill bonk. | 你看到风车坏了。 |
| 14 | But on the inside, it's, wow, that basket looks as big as a hulu, | 但从里面看,那篮子看起来像个Hulu |
| 15 | but I can't miss. | 但我不能错过。 |
| 16 | What does it take for you to be your best when it matters most? | 在最重要的时候,你需要什么才能成为你最好的? |
| 17 | There's nothing more or less than getting our biology to work for us | 没有什么比让生物学为我们工作 更或更少的了 |
| 18 | rather than against us. | 而不是反对我们。 |
| 19 | DARPA's research found that you learn 230% faster than normal in flow. | DARPA的研究发现,你的学习速度比正常的流量快230%. |
| 20 | So maybe you spend a few beats and teach me how to get into flow. | 所以也许你花了几拍 并教我如何进入流动。 |
| 21 | Two things to know. | 二事须知. |
| 22 | First, I'm curious how you would define flow. | 首先,我很想知道你会如何定义流量。 |
| 23 | Flow is a scientific definition. | 流量是一个科学定义. |
| 24 | 而Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi就是提出这个定义的人。 | |
| 25 | But it's technically defined as an optimal state of consciousness | 但它在技术上被定义为意识的最佳状态 |
| 26 | where we feel our best and perform our best. | 在那里,我们感到我们最好的 和发挥我们的最好。 |
| 27 | It refers to any of those moments of rapt attention and total absorption, | 它是指任何那些引起迅猛关注和完全吸收的时刻, |
| 28 | where you get so focused on what you're doing, | 在你如此专注于你在做什么, |
| 29 | so focused on the task at hand, | 如此专注于手头的任务, |
| 30 | that everything else just starts to fade away and disappear. | 其他的一切都开始消失和消失 |
| 31 | All aspects of performance, mental, physical, and emotional, will skyrocket. | 表现的所有方面,包括精神、身体和情感,都将飞涨。 |
| 32 | What does a flow state feel like? | 流动状态是什么感觉? |
| 33 | So this is actually the original work that Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi did on flow. | 这其实是米哈利·奇克森特米哈利在流动时所做的原始作品。 |
| 34 | He went around the world asking people about the times in their life | 他环游世界 问人们生活的时间 |
| 35 | when they felt their best and they performed their best. | 当他们感到他们最好的, 他们表现最好的。 |
| 36 | And he discovered that flow has six core characteristics. | 他发现流动有六个核心特征。 |
| 37 | So there's complete concentration on the task at hand. | 因此完全集中力量完成手头的任务. |
| 38 | There's a merger of action awareness, | 行动意识是合并的 |
| 39 | the diminishment of our sense of self, | 我们自我感的削弱, |
| 40 | time distortion. | 时间扭曲。 |
| 41 | We don't feel peak performance on the inside. | 我们没有感觉 顶峰表现在内部。 |
| 42 | We feel a sense of control. | 我们感到一种控制感。 |
| 43 | So a sense of I can control things I can't normally control. | 所以我可以控制我无法控制的东西 |
| 44 | That's what it feels like, right? | 这就是感觉,对不对? |
| 45 | You look at Michael Jordan in a flow state, | 你看迈克尔・乔丹 在流动状态, |
| 46 | you see the windmill donk and that's what it looks like. | 你看见风车的傻子 看上去就是这样 |
| 47 | But on the inside, it's wow, that basket looks as big as a Hulu, | 但从里面看,那篮子看起来和Hulu一样大 |
| 48 | but I can't miss. | 但我不能错过。 |
| 49 | It's a feeling I can control. | 感觉我能控制 |
| 50 | Finally, the last thing is flow states are, | 最后,最后一件事是流动状态是, |
| 51 | autotelic是Csikszentmihalyi使用的技术术语. | |
| 52 | It just means euphoric and delicious. | 它只是表示喜悦和美味。 |
| 53 | Autotelic means an end in itself. | 自动化本身就是指目的. |
| 54 | So it basically means flow feels so good, | 所以基本上意味着流动感觉很好 |
| 55 | will go very far out of our way to get more of the experience. | 为了获得更多的经验,我们将走得非常远。 |
| 56 | If I were to put it, psychologists hate when I do this, | 如果我说,心理学家讨厌我这样做, |
| 57 | but it's the most addictive state on earth, period, right? | 但它是最令人上瘾的状态 在地球上,时间,对不对? |
| 58 | But those are the six characteristics. | 但这是六个特点。 |
| 59 | So if you're trying to figure out am I in flow, | 所以,如果你试图 找出我是在流动, |
| 60 | am I team in flow, | 我是一个团队在流动, |
| 61 | those are the six characteristics you're looking for. | 这些是你要找的六个特征。 |
| 62 | So many people feel like they're not reaching their potential. | 所以很多人觉得他们没有达到他们的潜力. |
| 63 | Like they're capable of doing more, | 就像他们有能力做更多, |
| 64 | but they don't quite understand that. | 但他们不太明白这一点。 |
| 65 | Is flow that key? | 这是钥匙吗? |
| 66 | Flow is how evolution created optimal performance | 流程是进化如何产生最佳性能 |
| 67 | in the human body. | 在人体内。 |
| 68 | We've known for a while that the origin story of flow | 我们早就知道流的起源 |
| 69 | was probably runner's high. | 很可能是跑步高点 |
| 70 | And there's a couple other evolutionary stories | 还有几个进化故事 |
| 71 | that just go along with it, | 那只是顺其自然, |
| 72 | but there's also some proof, | 但也有证据 |
| 73 | and now there's a little bit more kind of neurobiology | 而现在有一点点 神经生物学 |
| 74 | to back this up that flocking behavior and mobbing behavior, | 支持这个 羊群行为和骚动行为, |
| 75 | which are actually related behaviors in nature, | 本质上是相关行为 |
| 76 | are early versions of flow states, but it's very old. | 是流体状态的早期版本,但非常古老. |
| 77 | And so it's not just in humans. | 所以它不仅仅是在人类。 |
| 78 | All social mammals get into flow and some insects, | 所有的社会哺乳动物都进入流动 和一些昆虫, |
| 79 | some birds. | 一些鸟。 |
| 80 | So this is how we evolved to form at our best. | 这就是我们如何进化成最好的形态。 |
| 81 | So if you were seeing any human being performing | 所以,如果你看到 任何人表演, |
| 82 | at their best, chances are flow is involved. | 最好的机会就是流动 |
| 83 | Another term that's worth defining is peak performance, | 另一个值得定义的术语是峰值性能, |
| 84 | because it has connotations. | 因为它有内涵。 |
| 85 | People think soldiers or athletes are, | 人们认为士兵或运动员是, |
| 86 | and peak of all, as far as I can tell, | 和最高峰, 据我所知, |
| 87 | this is my definition. | 这是我的定义。 |
| 88 | It's nothing more or less than getting our biology | 没什么比得到我们的生物更多或更少 |
| 89 | to work for us rather than against us. | 为我们工作,而不是反对我们。 |
| 90 | Go deeper on that. | 更深入一点 |
| 91 | There's nothing sort of beyond our biology. | 除了我们的生物学之外,没有什么 |
| 92 | There's no secret secret to performance. | 演无秘密. |
| 93 | There's just our biology. | 只有我们的生物学 |
| 94 | Neurobiology is mechanism shaped by evolution. | 神经生物学是演化形成的机制. |
| 95 | It's the same in all of us. | 於一切众生中亦复如是. |
| 96 | What motivates you is gonna be different | 是什么激励你 是要去不同 |
| 97 | than what motivates me. | 比什么激励我。 |
| 98 | But in both me and you, | 但是在我们俩身上 |
| 99 | that motivation is gonna show up as dopamine. | 动机会表现为多巴胺 |
| 100 | So what we're actually after here is the dopamine. | 所以,我们真正想要的是多巴胺。 |
| 101 | That's the actual energy and focus and drive. | 这就是真正的能量和焦点和驱动力。 |
| 102 | And all the words and the terms we can put around it | 和所有的话和条件 我们可以包围它 |
| 103 | don't matter as much as getting the dopamine, | 和得到多巴胺无关 |
| 104 | which is actually what matters. | 这才是最重要的 |
| 105 | I've sort of figured if we could get | 我有点想 如果我们可以得到 |
| 106 | to the level of mechanism, | 至机制一级, |
| 107 | this stuff would get very trainable. | 这东西会变得很能训练 |
| 108 | And that has been our experience. | 这是我们的经验。 |
| 109 | So at the Fleur Research Collective, | 因此,在弗莱尔研究集体, |
| 110 | our flagship training for a lot of years | 我们多年的旗舰训练 |
| 111 | was zero to dangerous. | 是零到危险。 |
| 112 | We've 35,000 people went through it. | 我们有三万五千人经历过 |
| 113 | So after eight week training, | 所以经过八个星期的训练 |
| 114 | people would see a 73% boost in flow. | 人们会看到73%的流量增加。 |
| 115 | I would like to tell you that's | 我想告诉你 |
| 116 | because our Kung Fu is that good. | 因为我们的功夫这么好 |
| 117 | It's because this stuff is really trainable. | 这是因为这些东西真的可以训练。 |
| 118 | And if you start with the neurobiology, | 如果你从神经生物学开始 |
| 119 | which is the same in all of us, | 这在我们所有人都是一样的, |
| 120 | it's trainable because it's built into all of us. | 它是可以训练的,因为它已经建在我们所有人。 |
| 121 | So maybe you spend a few beats | 所以,也许你花一些拍 |
| 122 | and teach me how to get into flow. | 并教我如何进入流动。 |
| 123 | Two things to know. | 二事须知. |
| 124 | First, flow states have triggers, | 首先,流动状态有触发器, |
| 125 | preconditions that lead to more flow. | 导致更多流动的前提条件。 |
| 126 | There are 26 to 28 that have been discovered. | 已经发现了26到28个. |
| 127 | There's probably way more. | 也许还有更多 |
| 128 | That's just what we know so far. | 这就是我们目前所知的。 |
| 129 | And the first thing to know is the simplest, | 第一件事就是最简单 |
| 130 | flow follows focus only shows up on all our retention | 流随着焦点只出现在我们所有的保留上 |
| 131 | in the right here, right now on the task at hand. | 就在这里,现在在手头的任务。 |
| 132 | So that's what all the triggers do. | 於是一切触发法皆如是. |
| 133 | They drive focus into the present moment. | 他们把注意力集中在现在 |
| 134 | If you peel back the hood, | 如果你把引擎盖剥了 |
| 135 | they do this in a number of different ways. | 他们以多种不同的方式这样做。 |
| 136 | They can push norepinephrine into our system. | 他们可以把肾上腺素推进我们的系统 |
| 137 | They can push dopamine into our system. | 他们可以把多巴胺推进我们的系统 |
| 138 | They can push both together into our system | 他们可以一起把两者推进我们的系统 |
| 139 | or they can lower cognitive load. | 或者可以降低认知负荷 |
| 140 | Cognitive load is all the crap | 认知负载都是废话 |
| 141 | you're trying to think about at any one time. | 你想在任何时间思考。 |
| 142 | And if I lower cognitive load, | 如果我降低认知负荷 |
| 143 | your brain instantly repurposes that energy | 你的大脑立刻重用能量 |
| 144 | for paying attention. | 请注意。 |
| 145 | This is why people will tell you to clean your desk first | 所以人们才叫你先收拾桌子 |
| 146 | before you try to focus on writing or something like that. | 在你试着专注于写作或类似的东西之前。 |
| 147 | What you're actually doing is lowering cognitive load | 你实际上做的是降低认知负荷 |
| 148 | because now it's more organized and things are in spots | 因为现在它更有条理 东西在斑点 |
| 149 | and the brain will automatically, | 脑将自动, |
| 150 | it's an efficiency engine | 这是一个高效引擎 |
| 151 | and it always wants sort of extra energy | 它总是想要某种额外的能量 |
| 152 | for the task at hand. | 为手头的任务。 |
| 153 | And so that's what happens. | 由此而来. |
| 154 | You clean your desk and you get more energy | 你清理你的桌子,你得到更多的能量 |
| 155 | because cognitive load has gone down. | 因为认知负荷下降。 |
| 156 | You can focus better. | 你可以更专心 |
| 157 | So that's what all the triggers do. | 於是一切触发法皆如是. |
| 158 | There's three triggers I start people with, | 有三个触发器 我开始的人, |
| 159 | but I also start, I always back up. | 但我也开始,我总是备份。 |
| 160 | So there is what, it's known as the primary flow activity. | 因此,它被称为主要流量活动。 |
| 161 | This is whatever you've done since you were a little kid | 这是你从小就做的事 |
| 162 | that you just lose yourself in. | 让你失去自我 |
| 163 | You're just totally fricking immersed in. | 你只是一团糟 |
| 164 | And it's in a certain level, | 在一定的层面上, |
| 165 | which triggers you're most susceptible to, | 它触发你最容易, |
| 166 | a little bit of that is probably genetic, | 一点点可能是遗传性的, |
| 167 | a little bit more is early childhood environment. | 儿童早期环境更是多一点。 |
| 168 | So for me, it's skiing, right? | 所以对我来说,这是滑雪,对不对? |
| 169 | That's my primary flow activity, | 这是我的主要流动活动, |
| 170 | meaning like 90% of the time I go skiing. | 意思是90%的时间我去滑雪。 |
| 171 | I'm gonna get into a flow state. | 我要进入一个流动状态。 |
| 172 | Or it's a group flow, | 或者是一组人 |
| 173 | the shared collective version of a flow state. | 共享流态的集体版本。 |
| 174 | Interpersonal flow is two people | 人际交流是两个人 |
| 175 | who get in a great conversation | 进入一个伟大的谈话 |
| 176 | and an hour goes by and you didn't notice. | 一小时过去了,你没注意到 |
| 177 | It's interpersonal flow. | 人际之流. |
| 178 | I told you earlier that I worked with the same editor | 我早说过我和同一个编辑一起工作 |
| 179 | and have for 25 years. | 并且有25年的时间 |
| 180 | And group flow is really like, | 和群流真的喜欢, |
| 181 | we're really good at this. | 我们真的很擅长这个。 |
| 182 | We're working together for 25 years. | 我们一起工作了25年 |
| 183 | We know exactly sort of how to work with each other. | 我们完全知道如何彼此合作 |
| 184 | And so invariably a couple of times a week, | 所以每周总是有几次 |
| 185 | I'm getting into group flow doing that. | 我进入了集体流 这样做。 |
| 186 | My wife, it's walking her dogs in the back country. | 我的妻子,它走她的狗 在后乡。 |
| 187 | My best friend is playing the guitar. | 我最好的朋友在弹吉他 |
| 188 | Everybody's got their thing. | 每个人都有他们的东西。 |
| 189 | And usually what happens as we become adults | 通常我们成年后会发生什么 |
| 190 | is what do you do? | 你们是做什么的? |
| 191 | Oh, you have responsibility. | 你有责任 |
| 192 | You got a family, got a job, put down childish things. | 你有一个家庭,有工作, 放下幼稚的东西。 |
| 193 | And you stop. | 你停下来。 |
| 194 | Your primary flow activity goes away. | 你的主要流量活动消失了。 |
| 195 | And it's literally the single worst thing you could do | 这是你唯一最糟糕的事 |
| 196 | for the following three reasons. | 出于以下三个原因。 |
| 197 | First is that this should be obvious, | 首先,这应该很明显, |
| 198 | but flow is a focusing skill. | 但流动是一种专注的技能。 |
| 199 | Meditation is a focusing skill. | 冥想是一种专注的技能. |
| 200 | They're different. | 二者分别. |
| 201 | They're different kinds of focusing. | 它们是不同种类的焦点。 |
| 202 | You're doing different things in the brain, | 你在大脑里做不同的事情 |
| 203 | related, but different. | 相关,但不同。 |
| 204 | But just like mindfulness is trainable, | 但就像警惕是可训练的 |
| 205 | flow is trainable. | 流动是可以训练的。 |
| 206 | It's a focusing skill. | 专注技艺. |
| 207 | So if I go skiing on Sunday and I'm in flow | 所以,如果我去滑雪 星期天和我有流动 |
| 208 | and I go to work on Tuesday, | 我周二去上班 周二, |
| 209 | I'm gonna have an easier time getting into flow on Tuesday | 我会有一个更容易的时间 在周二进入流量 |
| 210 | is the first thing to know there. | 这是第一件事 在那里知道。 |
| 211 | The second thing is for reasons that we can get into | 第二件事是因为我们可以进入 |
| 212 | as we go along, anxiety will block flow in most of us. | 随着我们的前进, 焦虑会阻碍我们大部分人的流动。 |
| 213 | A little bit is good. | 一点点是好的。 |
| 214 | A little bit sort of primes the brain for focus | 一点点的质素 大脑的焦点 |
| 215 | and attention and alertness and learning. | 注意、警觉和学习 |
| 216 | Too much will block flow and primary flow activity | 太多会阻断流量和主要流量活动 |
| 217 | lower resets your nervous system. | 低调的恢复神经系统。 |
| 218 | So it'll calm you down. | 这样你就能冷静下来了 |
| 219 | So primary flow activity on Sunday, | 所以星期天的主要流量活动 |
| 220 | go to work on Tuesday and counter like a work problem | 周二去上班 像工作问题一样 |
| 221 | and your threshold, your anxiety is a little bit lower. | 和你的门槛,你的焦虑 有点低。 |
| 222 | If you're burned out, if you're dealing with burnout, | 如果你被烧焦了 如果你正在处理烧焦了 |
| 223 | the, my lab did some work on this, | 我的实验室做了一些研究 |
| 224 | 但Karina Pfeiffer的实验室 真的是证明这一点, | |
| 225 | but flow overrides burnout. | 流动会燃烧 |
| 226 | It'll overwrite PTSD, burnout. | 它会覆盖PTSD,燃烧。 |
| 227 | We do work now, we're doing a lot of work with veterans | 我们现在有工作了,跟老兵做很多工作 |
| 228 | on PTSD, addiction, depression, | 在创伤后精神紧张症,上瘾,抑郁症, |
| 229 | because flow is neuroprotective against those things | 因为流动会保护神经 对抗那些东西 |
| 230 | and can sort of over pave over some of them. | 并可以铺在他们中的一部分。 |
| 231 | But if you're really burnt out, | 但如果你被烧焦了 |
| 232 | doubling down your primary flow activity | 将您的主要流量活动增加一倍 |
| 233 | is sort of the only way back. | 这是唯一的回路 |
| 234 | And what's cool is the research shows | 酷的是研究显示 |
| 235 | that like two to four hours a week is about what it takes | 一周两到四个小时 需要什么 |
| 236 | on your primary flow activity. | 您的主要流量活动。 |
| 237 | So the first place to start if you're training flow | 所以,第一个开始的地方 如果你是训练流 |
| 238 | is actually the thing that you've done your whole life | 其实是你一辈子都做过的事 |
| 239 | that you've probably stopped doing. | 你可能已经停止了 |
| 240 | And I will set you back there first. | 我会先把你放回去的 |
| 241 | Because if you get into flow in one thing, | 因为如果你有一件事 |
| 242 | it's easier in another thing. | 在别的事情上更容易 |
| 243 | The easiest thing to get into flow in is your primary. | 最容易进入的是你的主要。 |
| 244 | Yeah, it's your primary flow activity | 是啊,这是你的主要流量活动 |
| 245 | because it's what you're naturally inclined to do that. | 因为这是你自然喜欢的 |
| 246 | The most common flow state on earth, by the way, reading. | 地球上最常见的流动状态, 顺便说一句,阅读。 |
| 247 | Oh, interesting. | 哦,有趣的是,我们是... |
| 248 | Reading is the most common flow state on earth. | 阅读是地球上最常见的流体状态. |
| 249 | What are some common flow triggers? | 常见的触发器是什么? |
| 250 | If you're trying to think about flow triggers, | 如果你想考虑 流动触发器, |
| 251 | one of the easy ways to do it is like, | 一种简单的方法是, |
| 252 | if you look at the list, | 如果你看看名单, |
| 253 | they look like psychological interventions. | 他们看起来像心理干预。 |
| 254 | So novelty, complexity, unpredictability, risk | 如此新颖,复杂,不可预测性,风险 |
| 255 | are all flow triggers. | 这些都是流动触发器。 |
| 256 | Whenever we encounter any of those things, | 每当我们遇到这些东西, |
| 257 | you get dopamine, right? | 你得到多巴胺,对不对? |
| 258 | In complex situations, the most famous flow trigger | 在复杂的情况下,最著名的流动触发器 |
| 259 | is the challenge skills balance. | 是挑战性的技能平衡。 |
| 260 | So we said flow follows focus. | 所以我们说流动跟随焦点。 |
| 261 | We pay the most attention to the task at hand | 我们最注意的是手头的任务 |
| 262 | when the challenge of that task | 当任务的挑战 |
| 263 | slightly exceeds our skill set. | 略超我们的技能 |
| 264 | So you wanna stretch, but not snap. | 所以,你想伸展,但不要崩溃。 |
| 265 | Bunch of years ago, decades ago now, | 几年前,几十年前 |
| 266 | Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi联合起来 | |
| 267 | with a Google mathematician. | 与谷歌数学家. |
| 268 | They tried to put a number on it | 他们想给它打个号码 |
| 269 | just to see if they could put a number on it. | 看看他们能不能写一个号码 |
| 270 | And they got 4%. | 他们得到了4%。 |
| 271 | And they never said this was science. | 他们从来没有说过这是科学。 |
| 272 | They said this was a back of the envelope calculation, | 他们说这是信封的背面计算 |
| 273 | meaning when the challenge is 4% greater than your skills, | 意思是当挑战 比你的技巧大4%, |
| 274 | that seems to be the sweet spot. | 这似乎是甜点。 |
| 275 | One of the things I will say is | 我要说的是 |
| 276 | it's right outside your comfort zone. | 就在你舒适区外 |
| 277 | The more you sort of train being | 火车越多 |
| 278 | just outside your comfort zone, | 就在你的舒适地带之外 |
| 279 | just pushing a little bit, the easier it gets. | 只是推一点点, 越容易得到。 |
| 280 | And the other side of it is that's, | 而另一边是, |
| 281 | if you were to talk about the sweet spot emotionally, | 如果你在情感上谈论甜点 |
| 282 | you'd say it's between boredom. | 你会说这是在无聊之间。 |
| 283 | There's not enough stimulation here. | 这里没有足够的刺激。 |
| 284 | I don't care. | 我无所谓 |
| 285 | I'm not paying any attention. | 我没在意 |
| 286 | And anxiety, whoa, way too much. | 和焦虑,哇,太多。 |
| 287 | Right in between is the sweet spot. | 中间是甜点 |
| 288 | What flow scientists call the flow channel. | 流体科学家称之为流道. |
| 289 | But if you're a physiologist, | 但如果你是一个生理学家, |
| 290 | 你称之为Irk -Stopson曲线。 | |
| 291 | It's one of the oldest findings in physiology | 这是生理学最古老的发现之一 |
| 292 | that there's this sweet spot between challenge and skills. | 挑战与技能之间有个甜点 |
| 293 | But if you're shyer, meeker, timid, | 但如果你更害羞 胆小 胆小 |
| 294 | or less skilled thing that you're doing, | 或你正在做的不熟练的事, |
| 295 | you're gonna be just outside your comfort zone. | 你会在你的舒适区之外。 |
| 296 | If you're like a hard charging entrepreneur, | 如果你像一个很难收费的企业家, |
| 297 | the problem is that that 4% is so small | 问题在于4%是如此之小 |
| 298 | that you'll blow by and you'll take on challenges | 你会被炸飞 并承担挑战 |
| 299 | that are 50%, 60% greater than your skills | 超过你50%, 60%的技巧 |
| 300 | simply because it sort of wakes you up. | 只是因为它有点唤醒你。 |
| 301 | And so if you're training people on flow, | 所以,如果你在训练人们 流动, |
| 302 | you either have to train them to push a little bit harder | 你要么训练他们更用力一点 |
| 303 | or usually with type A types, | 或通常为A型, |
| 304 | you gotta back them off and tell them to chunk it down. | 你得让他们退后 告诉他们把它切开 |
| 305 | Those big, huge overarching goals are great. | 这些大而巨大的总目标是伟大的。 |
| 306 | Motivation science tells us | 动力学告诉我们 |
| 307 | that a good, a properly set hard goal | 这是一个很好的, 一个正确的设定硬目标 |
| 308 | gives you an 11 to 22% boost in motivation. | 给你11%到22%的动力 |
| 309 | So that's amazing. | 所以这是惊人的。 |
| 310 | Like just for having a well-set goal, | 就像只是因为目标很明确 |
| 311 | but you wanna chunk it down so the thing in front of you | 但你想把它切下来 所以在你面前的东西 |
| 312 | sits in that sort of 4% sweet spot. | 坐在那种4%的甜点上 |
| 313 | What this really tells you | 这真的告诉你 |
| 314 | is you can only get about 4% better at a time, right? | 你一次只能好4%,对吧? |
| 315 | Like that when you're laddering up, it's like 4% gains. | 就像你爬上梯子时那样, 它就像4%的收益。 |
| 316 | This is the thing that we learned when we tested it. | 这是我们在测试时学到的东西。 |
| 317 | And again, I don't know how accurate this is, | 再说一遍 我不知道这有多准确 |
| 318 | but like we saw it again and again, | 但就像我们一遍又一遍地看到它, |
| 319 | we found if you only stay in that 4% sweet spot. | 我们发现如果你只留在那4%的甜点。 |
| 320 | And the reason like we could do with action sport athletes | 以及我们和运动运动员一样的原因 |
| 321 | is we started doing it with downhill down mountain bikers | 我们开始做它 与下坡 下山自行车手 |
| 322 | and we measured every feature on the hill. | 我们测量了山上的每一个特征。 |
| 323 | And that's how we could figure out, | 这就是我们如何想出, |
| 324 | okay, this is what you can jump. | 好吧,这是你可以跳。 |
| 325 | So this would be 4% and that's how we did it. | 所以这是4%,我们就是这样做的。 |
| 326 | That's how we were testing it. | 我们就是这样测试的 |
| 327 | And what we discovered is if you stayed in that sweet spot, | 我们发现的是 如果你留在那个甜蜜的地方 |
| 328 | you never plateaued. | 你从来没有过高温。 |
| 329 | You would get more flow and more flow and more flow | 你会得到更多的流量 更多的流量和更多的流量 |
| 330 | and you made way more progress | 你取得了更大的进步 |
| 331 | over the course of a season than you did the other way. | 在一个赛季中,你比其他方式。 |
| 332 | How can we mute distractions and get into a flow state? | 我们怎样才能安静地分心,进入流动状态? |
| 333 | We said earlier flow follows focus, right? | 我们说,早期的流量 遵循焦点,对不对? |
| 334 | All the flow triggers drive attention | 所有流动触发器都会引起注意 |
| 335 | in the present moment. | 在此刻。 |
| 336 | The most obvious flow trigger is complete concentration. | 最明显的流动触发器是完全集中. |
| 337 | What do I mean by complete concentration? | 完全集中是什么意思? |
| 338 | For me, it's writing. | 对我来说,它是写。 |
| 339 | So I'll give you a writing example | 所以我给你个写作的例子 |
| 340 | and I'm gonna go writing. | 我要去写作。 |
| 341 | The first thing I wanna do | 我想做的第一件事是... ... ...... |
| 342 | is get rid of all the distractions. | 摆脱所有的分心。 |
| 343 | So my smartphone gets turned off | 所以我的智能手机就关机了 |
| 344 | because they modeled it after a jackpots, | 因为他们用大奖做模特 |
| 345 | the single most addictive | 最有瘾的人 |
| 346 | and distracting technology in the world. | 和分散技术 在世界上。 |
| 347 | And so that could shut down notifications, email. | 这样就可以关闭通知,电子邮件。 |
| 348 | When I used to start this work 20 years ago, | 当我20年前开始这个工作时 |
| 349 | average executive I dealt with | 我处理的普通高管 |
| 350 | had like three ways you can interrupt them. | 有三种方式可以打断他们 |
| 351 | There was cell phone, call them, you could email them, | 有手机,打给他们,你可以发电子邮件给他们 |
| 352 | you could message them, you knock on their door, right? | 你可以告诉他们,你敲他们的门,对不对? |
| 353 | The average executive I work with these days | 这些年我一般的主管 |
| 354 | has like 17 to 18 different incoming channels, | 有17到18个不同的频道 |
| 355 | 什么App和消息 和Slack和Notion。 | |
| 356 | And it's insane. | 这太疯狂了 |
| 357 | But do you know how many people shit on me? | 但你知道有多少人对我拉屎吗? |
| 358 | My phone is perpetually in focus. | 我的手机永远是焦点。 |
| 359 | If you're not my kids, it doesn't get through. | 如果你不是我的孩子,它不会通过。 |
| 360 | That's it, just my kids. | 就这样,只有我的孩子。 |
| 361 | And so people are like, you're always in focus. | 所以人们喜欢, 你总是集中。 |
| 362 | I feel like I'm interrupting you. | 我觉得我打断你了 |
| 363 | And I'm like, well, you can text. | 我很喜欢,嗯,你可以发短信。 |
| 364 | I'm just not gonna get your text | 我只是不会收到你的短信 |
| 365 | until I choose to look at mine. | 直到我选择看我的 |
| 366 | Yeah, well, that's the other thing. | 是啊,这是另一件事。 |
| 367 | I train people. | 我训练人 |
| 368 | So limit communication channels, | 所以限制交流渠道 |
| 369 | keep one channel open for emergency. | 保持一个频道打开 紧急情况。 |
| 370 | So like your boss or your wife or whatever, | 所以像你的老板或你的妻子之类的 |
| 371 | one channel for emergency, | 一个紧急通道, |
| 372 | get rid of the others, batch communications. | 除掉其他人,批量通信 |
| 373 | So communications in the morning, the end of the day. | 故晨通信,终日. |
| 374 | The next question is how long should you focus? | 下一个问题是,你应该集中多久? |
| 375 | And here's a really good biological answer | 这里有一个非常好的生物答案 |
| 376 | because we actually have an answer here. | 因为我们有答案 |
| 377 | So everybody knows they go through a sleep cycle | 每个人都知道自己会经历一个睡眠周期 |
| 378 | when they sleep and it's roughly 90 to 110 minutes long, | 当他们睡觉时,它大约90到110分钟长, |
| 379 | which is the REM cycle. | 这是REM周期。 |
| 380 | You have an awake and alert cycle. | 你有一个清醒和警觉的循环。 |
| 381 | It's the exact same length. | 长度完全相同. |
| 382 | It's 90 to 110 minutes long. | 全长90至110分钟. |
| 383 | Your brain is biologically designed to focus | 你的大脑在生物学上被设计为专注 |
| 384 | for 90 minute slots. | 90分钟的空档 |
| 385 | So I always tell people when we're training them in flow | 所以,我总是告诉人们 当我们训练他们 流动 |
| 386 | and we're training them how to focus, | 我们训练他们如何集中精神 |
| 387 | start by starting. | 开始。 |
| 388 | Start by like walling yourself off. | 开始像自己被困住一样 |
| 389 | And if you can only focus for 10 minutes at a time, | 如果你每次只能专心十分钟 |
| 390 | start there. | 从这里开始。 |
| 391 | If it's 15 minutes, start there. | 如果只有15分钟,从那里开始。 |
| 392 | It doesn't matter, start by starting. | 无所谓,从头开始 |
| 393 | But when you start to get better at this, | 但当你开始改善这一点, |
| 394 | you will find that your brain will naturally move. | 你会发现你的大脑会自然移动 |
| 395 | Like people will be training up and training up | 就像人们会训练 训练 |
| 396 | and I can, oh, I got 20 minutes, 25 minutes. | 我可以,哦,我有20分钟,25分钟。 |
| 397 | And suddenly they're like, | 忽然他们像, |
| 398 | oh my God, I was 90 minutes, what happened? | 哦,我的上帝,我90分钟,发生了什么事? |
| 399 | And I'm like, what happened is your biology. | 而我喜欢,发生了什么事 你的生物学。 |
| 400 | Like you're built to do that. | 犹如汝所造. |
| 401 | So if you start getting your biology work for you | 所以如果你开始让你的生物学工作 |
| 402 | in this way, you're going to move | 这样,你会移动 |
| 403 | in that direction naturally. | 自然地朝这个方向前进。 |
| 404 | So complete concentration is one of the first flow triggers. | 因此完全集中是最早的流动触发器之一. |
| 405 | You know, you have your primary flow activity. | 你知道,你有 你的主要流量活动。 |
| 406 | I always say, you know, | 我总是说,你知道, |
| 407 | manicure the space for complete concentration | 修补完全集中的空间 |
| 408 | and then use the challenge skills balance | 然后使用挑战技能平衡 |
| 409 | to figure out how to tune the task. | 找出如何调谐任务。 |
| 410 | So I'll give you a writing example. | 故举文例. |
| 411 | I write every day, I'm sure you do too. | 我每天都在写信 我相信你也一样 |
| 412 | When I'm starting a book, for me, | 当我开始写一本书,对我来说, |
| 413 | I like to write about 500 words a day. | 我喜欢每天写500个字 |
| 414 | And so that's right in that 4% sweet spot for me | 所以这是正确的 在4%的甜点对我来说 |
| 415 | because that's so mutable. | 因为它是如此的可变。 |
| 416 | You have to also tune in on a daily basis | 你也要每天调音 |
| 417 | for what's your energy level, right? | 你的能量水平是多少 对吧? |
| 418 | If I didn't get any sleep last night | 如果我昨晚没睡 |
| 419 | because my plane was delayed | 因为我的飞机延误了 |
| 420 | and it was three o'clock in the morning when we landed | 早上三点我们着陆时 |
| 421 | and I woke up, you know, and it was starting a book, | 我醒来,你知道, 它开始一本书, |
| 422 | I wouldn't ask myself to write 500 words. | 我不会要求自己写五百字。 |
| 423 | That would be too hard. | 那太难了 |
| 424 | I'd do 300 words. | 我会做300个字。 |
| 425 | That's sort of in that sweet spot. | 那种甜点。 |
| 426 | So you can manicure the space for complete concentration | 这样你就可以修补完全集中的空间 |
| 427 | then manicure the task | 然后修补工作 |
| 428 | with the challenge skills sweet spot. | 与挑战技巧 甜点。 |
| 429 | How would you teach somebody with ADHD? | 你会如何教别人 与ADHD? |
| 430 | Would that be different? | 那会不同吗? |
| 431 | Couple of things. | 一些东西。 |
| 432 | I'm not an expert ADHD, | 我不是专家ADHD, |
| 433 | but in my original flow, my first flow company, | 但在我的原始流, 我的第一流公司, |
| 434 | Ned Halliwell, 字面上创造了ADHD一词 | |
| 435 | as a Harvard psychologist, | 作为哈佛心理学家, |
| 436 | just retired to cemetery marriages now. | 刚退休去墓地结婚 |
| 437 | Both of us think that ADHD is an evolutionary superpower | 我们都认为ADHD是一个进化的超能力 |
| 438 | for, because it's hyper flow. | 因为,因为它的超流量。 |
| 439 | ADHD, the problem isn't, I can't focus. | ADHD,问题不在,我不能集中精神 |
| 440 | The problem is I can't focus on shit I don't care about. | 问题是我不能专心于我不在乎的事 |
| 441 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 442 | And should I care about, I can lock in | 如果我在乎,我可以锁定 |
| 443 | and you're not gonna find me for months. | 你几个月都找不到我 |
| 444 | And I will say, I have met very few people | 我会说,我见过的人很少 |
| 445 | at the top of industries, business, athletics, arts, | 工业、商业、体育、艺术 |
| 446 | like everybody I know has ADHD. | 就像我认识的每个人都有ADHD。 |
| 447 | I think it's an absolute superpower | 我觉得这是绝对的超级大国 |
| 448 | in business and everything else. | 在商业和一切。 |
| 449 | But here's the first thing that I would say. | 但我首先要说的是 |
| 450 | The first thing you have to know | 首先你必须知道 |
| 451 | when you're working with ADHD, | 当你和ADHD合作时 |
| 452 | and this is just another flow trigger. | 这仅仅是另一个流动触发器。 |
| 453 | Well, most people don't know this, | 嗯,大多数人不知道这一点, |
| 454 | but autonomy and attention | 但自治和注意 |
| 455 | are coupled systems in the brain. | 是大脑中的组合系统。 |
| 456 | So you cannot maximize focus. | 所以你不能把注意力最大化 |
| 457 | If you're not the one driving the bus, | 如果你不是开车的人 |
| 458 | you were just not gonna care where it goes | 你只是不关心它去向 |
| 459 | as much as the driver. | 和司机一样 |
| 460 | Like it's just that simple. | 碞钩虏虫妓 |
| 461 | So for people who have ADHD, | 对于有ADHD的人来说, |
| 462 | reframing is the tool you wanna reach for. | 重建是你们想要的工具 |
| 463 | So I used to, I'll give you an example again from writing, | 所以,我过去,我会再给你一个例子 从写作, |
| 464 | but we can apply it anywhere, but well, or work. | 但我们可以把它应用到任何地方, 但很好,或者工作。 |
| 465 | If you have it, if boss comes to you, | 如果你有,如果老板来找你 |
| 466 | so you have a boss, right? | 所以,你有一个老板,对不对? |
| 467 | And you have ADHD and the boss says, | 你有ADHD,老板说, |
| 468 | I need you to do X and you don't like X. | 我需要你做X 而你不喜欢X。 |
| 469 | X isn't your thing and you're pissed. | X不是你的东西,你生气。 |
| 470 | You're gonna have a really hard time focusing. | 你会很难集中精神的 |
| 471 | But if you, if X is something you wanna do, | 但如果你,如果X是你想做的事情, |
| 472 | you're locked in three days go by, not a problem, done. | 你三天后就被锁住了 没问题 搞定了 |
| 473 | So you have to reframe the task. | 所以你必须重新定义任务 |
| 474 | You have to say, God, you know, 90% of this task is crap. | 你必须说,上帝,你知道, 90%的任务是废话。 |
| 475 | I don't care. | 我无所谓 |
| 476 | 10% of it is gonna make me a better salesperson. | 其中的10%会让我成为更好的推销员 |
| 477 | And that's something I really care about | 这才是我真正关心的 |
| 478 | because it's aligned my purpose | 因为它符合我的目的 |
| 479 | and who I think of myself and right. | 和我想到的自己和正确的。 |
| 480 | So that's what matters. | 所以这才是最重要的。 |
| 481 | Or when I used to get early on in my journalism career, | 或者当我在新闻事业上很早的时候 |
| 482 | where I was really poor and I would have to take | 在那里我真的很穷,我不得不采取 |
| 483 | every assignment that could possibly come my way | 每一个任务 可能来我的方式 |
| 484 | because I needed the money. | 因为我需要钱。 |
| 485 | Not all of them were stuff that I loved. | 不是所有的都是我爱的东西 |
| 486 | You know what I mean? | 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 487 | No, do I really wanna write 5,000 words on data caves? | 不,我真的想写5000字 在数据洞? |
| 488 | I could think of better things to do with my time, | 我可以想出更好的事情 与我的时间, |
| 489 | but will I do it if you're gonna pay me? | 但如果你要付我钱,我会做吗? |
| 490 | Yes, absolutely. | 是的,当然。 |
| 491 | And I'll find the task and be like, | 我会找到任务,然后... |
| 492 | okay, I don't like any of this task, | 好吧,我不喜欢这个任务, |
| 493 | but writing this is gonna teach me | 但写这个会教我 |
| 494 | how Wired Magazine structures their stories. | 连线杂志如何构建他们的故事。 |
| 495 | And that matters to me. | 这对我很重要 |
| 496 | So I will focus on the thing that I wanna learn | ┮и穦翴稱厩 |
| 497 | that's aligned with my purpose | 这符合我的目的 |
| 498 | and sort of that's my gateway in. | 有点像是我的网关 |
| 499 | So if you have ADHD, the first thing you have to do | 所以,如果你有ADHD, 第一件事你必须做 |
| 500 | is reframe the task to find the autonomy | 正在重新定义查找自主性的任务 |
| 501 | because you can't marshal attention without it. | 因为没有它你就不能引起注意 |
| 502 | And if with ADHD, this is really a problem | 如果与ADHD, 这是一个真正的问题 |
| 503 | where you have to figure out what in the task | 在那里,你必须弄清楚 任务是什么 |
| 504 | aligns with who you are, your purpose and your values | 与你的身份、目的和价值一致 |
| 505 | and all that stuff, | 所有的东西, |
| 506 | that will allow you to sort of push through. | 这样你就能挺过来了 |
| 507 | You said that's the first thing, what else? | 你说这是第一件事,还有什么? |
| 508 | Know that you're super distractible. | 知道你是超级 分散注意力。 |
| 509 | So that's gonna manifest in two ways. | 这表现在两个方面。 |
| 510 | One, it means distraction management, right? | 一,意思是分心管理,对不对? |
| 511 | Manicure your space, manicure your environment, | 修补你的空间,修补你的环境, |
| 512 | all that stuff. | 所有的东西。 |
| 513 | The other thing you're super distractible to | 还有一件事,你超易分心 |
| 514 | is as you move into flow, | 就是你们在流逝的时候, |
| 515 | one of the things that happens in flow | 在流动中发生的事情之一 |
| 516 | is you get a shitload of dopamine and norepinephrine. | 你得到一堆多巴胺和诺雷松素。 |
| 517 | These chemicals do a ton of things in the brain. | 这些化学物质在大脑里做很多事情。 |
| 518 | One of the things they do | 他们做的一件事 |
| 519 | is they massively amplify pattern recognition. | 它们是巨大的扩展模式识别。 |
| 520 | So when we link two ideas together, right? | 所以,当我们把两个想法联系起来,对不对? |
| 521 | That little rush of pleasure you get, that's dopamine. | 你那一点点的快感 就是多巴胺 |
| 522 | So if you've ever done a crossword puzzle with a seduke, | 所以,如果你曾经做一个填字谜 与司杜克, |
| 523 | you get an answer, right? | 你得到一个答案,对不对? |
| 524 | That little rush of pleasure, that's dopamine, right? | 这么快的乐趣,那是多巴胺,对不对? |
| 525 | And it shows up when there's pattern recognition. | 而当有图案识别时出现. |
| 526 | We actually talk about this as the creative trigger, | 我们实际上谈论这个 作为创造性的触发器, |
| 527 | flow's creative trigger. | 流动的创造性触发。 |
| 528 | It's really just because pattern recognition | 这真的只是因为模式识别 |
| 529 | sits underneath creativity. | 坐在创造力下面 |
| 530 | So you have to manicure the space is the first way, | 所以,你必须修补 空间是第一步, |
| 531 | but you have to protect yourself against your own thoughts. | 但你必须保护自己 避免自己的想法。 |
| 532 | Because when you're in flow | 因为当你在流动中 |
| 533 | and you've got more dopamine in your system, | 你体内还有多巴胺 |
| 534 | there's more pattern recognition. | 还有更多的模式识别。 |
| 535 | Creative ideas tend to spiral. | 创意思想往往呈螺旋形. |
| 536 | One idea will lead to the next idea, lead to the next idea. | 一个想法将导致下一个想法,导致下一个想法. |
| 537 | In flow, tangents are delicious. | 在流动中,正切剂是美味的. |
| 538 | So with ADHD, it's twice, it's easier to get distracted | 所以,用ADHD,是两次,更容易分心 |
| 539 | and you've got that crazy focus. | 而你有疯狂的焦点。 |
| 540 | So you're gonna get distracted | 所以你会分心 |
| 541 | and then you're gonna focus down that rabbit hole | 然后把注意力集中在兔子洞里 |
| 542 | and you're gonna be gone | 你会消失 |
| 543 | and you're not gonna finish the task at hand. | 而你不会完成手头的任务 |
| 544 | So you sort of need the discipline | 所以你需要纪律 |
| 545 | to stay focused on what you're doing | 继续专注于你在做什么 |
| 546 | and just sort of like write down the tangents | 就像写下正切的 |
| 547 | and we're gonna save that for later. | 我们会留到稍后。 |
| 548 | So you wanna manicure the space on the front end. | 所以,你想修补 空间在前端。 |
| 549 | You sort of wanna police your thoughts | 你有点想保持你的想法 |
| 550 | as you move through it on the back end. | 当你穿过后端时 |
| 551 | And you always want to sort of find your autonomy | 你总是想找到自己的自主 |
| 552 | in the act. | 在行动。 |
| 553 | Those would be the first three things I would do. | 这将是我要做的前三件事。 |
| 554 | Every few years, a new platform earns its place | 每隔几年,一个新平台就能得到它的位置 |
| 555 | at the top of every smart advertiser's media plan. | 在每一个聪明的广告商的媒体计划上名列前茅. |
| 556 | The people who find it early build advantages | 早发现它的人会建立优势 |
| 557 | that are very hard to close. | 这很难关闭。 |
| 558 | AppLovin just had the most remarkable run in ad tech history | App Lovin刚刚在广告科技史上获得了最出色的成绩 |
| 559 | and now they've opened that engine to businesses like yours. | 现在他们把引擎 打开给像你这样的企业 |
| 560 | Over a billion people play mobile games every day. | 每天有超过10亿人玩手机游戏. |
| 561 | Focused, not scrolling, | 专注,不滚动, |
| 562 | with no feed competing for their attention. | 没有食物争夺他们的注意力。 |
| 563 | AppLovin puts your brand in front of the right customers | App Lovin将你的品牌放在合适的顾客面前 |
| 564 | and optimizes purely for your growth. | 并优化 纯粹为您的成长。 |
| 565 | 诸如Wayfair、Kitsch、Ridge和Nectar等品牌 | |
| 566 | are already scaling on it | 已经放大了 |
| 567 | while most of their competitors don't even know it exists. | 大部分竞争者甚至不知道它的存在 |
| 568 | Ready to find your next million customers? | 准备好找到你的下一百万客户了吗? |
| 569 | 前往 applovin.com 斜拉雪恩 | |
| 570 | and launch your first campaign today. | 并发起你的第一次运动 今天。 |
| 571 | I built an AI version of myself with HeyGen. | 我和HeyGen一起造了一个人工智能版本 |
| 572 | What you're about to see in here is my digital avatar. | 你将在这里看到的是我的数码阿凡达。 |
| 573 | I asked it why some professionals build an audience | 我问为什么一些专业人士会培养观众 |
| 574 | while most stay invisible and here's what it said. | 而大多数都保持隐形 而这里是它所说的。 |
| 575 | Hey Shane, the professionals breaking out right now | 嘿,谢恩,专业的现在出来 |
| 576 | aren't the most talented ones. | 不是最有才华的 |
| 577 | They're the most visible ones. | 他们是最明显的。 |
| 578 | That's their edge. | 这就是他们的边缘。 |
| 579 | They show up on video constantly | 他们经常出现在视频上 |
| 580 | and nobody else can keep the pace. | 没有人能跟上步伐。 |
| 581 | Record yourself once and I close that gap | 记下来一次,我把缺口堵上 |
| 582 | so you become the face people trust. | 所以你成了人们信任的面孔 |
| 583 | 这是HeyGen。 | |
| 584 | Record yourself for 15 seconds | 记下15秒 |
| 585 | and get an avatar that keeps you posting without filming | 并获得一个阿凡达 让你张贴 不拍摄 |
| 586 | so you don't need to become a full-time content creator. | 所以你不需要成为一个全职的内容创造者。 |
| 587 | 30 million people already use it | 三千万人已经用过了 |
| 588 | from financial advisors and real estate agents | 财务顾问和房地产经纪人 |
| 589 | to 85% of the portion 100. | 占该部分的85%。 |
| 590 | 前三部影片在HeyGen.com Slash TKP免费. | |
| 591 | 这是H-E-Y-G-E-N.com slash TKP. 互联网档案馆的存檔,存档日期2011-09-02. | |
| 592 | Is flow always good? | 流动总是好的吗? |
| 593 | So that's an interesting question. | 这是一个有趣的问题。 |
| 594 | One of the things that's worth pointing out | 值得指出的一件事 |
| 595 | is flow is morally neutral. | 流动在道德上是中立的。 |
| 596 | It's a tool. | 这是一个工具。 |
| 597 | So soldiers get into flow. | 故兵进流. |
| 598 | So depending on which side of battle you're on, right, | 取决于你们在战斗的哪一边 |
| 599 | Chick Set Me High pointed out years ago | 奇克·塞特·梅高几年前指出 |
| 600 | and he was absolutely right | 他绝对是对的 |
| 601 | that most so-called juvenile delinquency, | 最所谓的少年犯罪, |
| 602 | graffiti art, vandalism, fighting, that sort of stuff, | 涂鸦艺术 破坏 打架 那种东西 |
| 603 | it's actually bored teenagers who are naturally, | 其实是无聊的青少年 他们自然是, |
| 604 | your body will naturally see flow | 你的身体会自然地看到流动 |
| 605 | and they're actually tuning the challenge skills balance | 他们正在调整挑战技能平衡 |
| 606 | with your delinquency. | 你的罪行。 |
| 607 | They're upping the challenge level in their lives | 他们正在提高他们生活中的挑战水平 |
| 608 | and trying to get into flow | 并试图进入流动中 |
| 609 | rather than this isn't about like misbehaving. | 而不是说这跟行为失当无关 |
| 610 | It's actually, this is flow-based behavior. | 实际上,这是基于流动的行为。 |
| 611 | So flow is just, it's neutral, | 所以流动是中立的 |
| 612 | can be used for good or bad | 可用于好坏 |
| 613 | and can have good and bad effects, right, | 会有好坏的效果,对吗? |
| 614 | depending, what do we know for sure? | 看情况,我们怎么知道? |
| 615 | We know it underpins happiness, well-being, | 我们知道它支撑着幸福,幸福, |
| 616 | overall life satisfaction, meaning and purpose | 总体生活满意度、意义和目的 |
| 617 | and increases longevity. | 并增加寿命。 |
| 618 | I mean, we can talk about what cognitive benefits, | 我的意思是,我们可以谈论什么 认知的好处, |
| 619 | but these are just like kind of wellbeing benefits. | 但这些就像一种福利福利。 |
| 620 | Those are beneficial. | 这些都是有益的。 |
| 621 | It expands empathy, which I always think is a good thing. | 它扩大了同情心,我总是认为这是一件好事。 |
| 622 | It increases environmental awareness, | 它提高了环境意识, |
| 623 | which is our ability to see, perceive | 这就是我们看,看 |
| 624 | and care about the natural world. | 并关心自然世界。 |
| 625 | I always think that's a good thing. | 我总是觉得那是件好事 |
| 626 | What's one specific thing everybody listening | 具体的事情是什么 每个人都在听 |
| 627 | to this podcast can change today | 到这个播客 今天可以改变 |
| 628 | that will increase their performance? | 那会提高他们的性能? |
| 629 | So we did this work a while ago. | 我们不久前做了这个工作。 |
| 630 | It's written about in my book, Nar Country, | 写在我的书《纳尔乡村》里 |
| 631 | which was really an experiment in longevity. | 这真的是个长寿实验。 |
| 632 | But one of the things that we discovered is, | 但我们发现的一件事是 |
| 633 | so I have, and I knew Anders Eriksson before he passed. | 所以我有,我认识安德斯・埃里克森 在他通过之前。 |
| 634 | He was a really nice guy, really liked him. | 他是个好人,很喜欢他 |
| 635 | But flow work challenges his 10,000 hours, right? | 但流动工作挑战 他的一万小时,对不对? |
| 636 | It does, because it says you can flow. | 是的,因为它说 你可以流动。 |
| 637 | And this is, if you go by DARPA's research, | 这是,如果你去DARPA的研究, |
| 638 | Defense Department looked at learning and flow, | 国防部研究学习和流动 |
| 639 | and they found that you learn 230% faster than normal | 他们发现你学得比正常快230% |
| 640 | in flow, 230% faster than normal is obviously, | 在流量中,230%的速度显然比正常要快, |
| 641 | if it's gonna take you 10,000 hours, | 如果你要花一万个小时 |
| 642 | which we all know is a fantasy number, | 我们都知道这是一个幻想数字, |
| 643 | and that was Malcolm and not Anders Eriksson. | 那是马尔科姆而不是安德斯・埃里克森 |
| 644 | It's 10,000 iterations. | 复次一万颂曰. |
| 645 | And even that, it depends on what domain | 即便如此,这取决于什么领域 |
| 646 | you're trying to learn, right? | 你想学,对吧? |
| 647 | So what we discovered, among many other things, | 因此,我们发现, 在许多其他的事情, |
| 648 | is not just flow, we compared deliberate practice, | 不只是流动, 我们比较了刻意的做法, |
| 649 | which is Anders Eriksson, which is doing repetition | 这是安德斯・埃里克森, 正在重复 |
| 650 | with incremental improvement against deliberate play, | 逐步改善与故意玩耍, |
| 651 | which is repetition with improvisation, | 即兴地重复, |
| 652 | and as learning tools. | 作为学习工具 |
| 653 | And you will actually learn better in very tight domains | 你会在非常紧凑的领域学到更好的东西 |
| 654 | like mathematics and violins, | 像数学和小提琴, |
| 655 | the stuff that Anders was studying. | 安德斯正在学习的东西。 |
| 656 | Deliberate practice is great, | 特意练习很棒, |
| 657 | because they're very structured and bounded disciplines. | 因为它们是结构森严的学科 |
| 658 | And if you're inside one of those, | 如果你在里面的话 |
| 659 | deliberate practice is effective. | 蓄意做法是有效的。 |
| 660 | If you're outside of a bounded discipline, | 如果你超出纪律范围 |
| 661 | which is pretty much almost everything else | 这几乎是其他一切 |
| 662 | other than like musical instrument, a couple other things, | 除了乐器,还有几件事 |
| 663 | deliberate play outperforms | 故意玩出优于成绩 |
| 664 | deliberate practice significantly. | 故意采取重大做法。 |
| 665 | And the simple reason is, how does learning work? | 简单的理由是,学习是如何工作的? |
| 666 | Quick shorn head for learning and memory | 快速摇头学习和记忆 |
| 667 | is the more neurochemicals that show up during experience, | 神经化学在经验中出现得越多 |
| 668 | the better chance that experience will move | 越好的机会 经验会移动 |
| 669 | from short-term holding to long-term storage. | 从短期持有到长期存储。 |
| 670 | It's what neurochemicals do. | 神经化工就是这样做的. |
| 671 | They do a lot of different things. | 他们做了很多不同的事情。 |
| 672 | One of the things they do is tag experience, | 他们做的一件事是标记经验 |
| 673 | important save for later. | 重要保存为以后。 |
| 674 | This is why flow is this huge dump of neurochemistry, | 这就是为什么流动是 巨大的神经化学垃圾, |
| 675 | which is why learning goes through the roof. | 这就是为什么学习要穿过屋顶。 |
| 676 | But quite simply, when we play, | 但很简单,当我们玩的时候, |
| 677 | versus when we repeat the same thing | 当我们重复同样的事情 |
| 678 | with incremental improvement, | 不断改进, |
| 679 | we get way more neurochemicals. | 我们得到了更多的神经化学。 |
| 680 | So deliberate play will outperform deliberate practice. | 因此,故意的玩法将超过故意的实践。 |
| 681 | So you ask for one thing that most people can do | 所以你要求一件事 大多数人可以做 |
| 682 | to increase learning and peak performance, be more playful. | 增加学习和高峰表现, 更能玩。 |
| 683 | What are the sources of motivation? | 动机的来源是什么? |
| 684 | If you're trying to amplify human motivation, | 如果你想扩大人类的动机 |
| 685 | the way I always explain it, people, | 我总是这样解释,伙计们, |
| 686 | usually I talk about this, people will come to me | 通常我谈论这个,人们会来找我 |
| 687 | and they're like, how do you find a purpose? | 他们喜欢, 你怎么找到一个目的? |
| 688 | How do I get a purpose, right? | 我怎么会有目的,对吧? |
| 689 | Like, what is my, and I said, well, biologically, | 比如,什么是我的,我说, 从生物学上来说, |
| 690 | you follow the biology. | 你遵循生物学 |
| 691 | The way the biology works is curiosity | 生物学的原理是好奇心 |
| 692 | is the foundational motivator. | 是基础驱动器。 |
| 693 | It's a little bit of dopamine. | 多巴胺有点小 |
| 694 | It's a great motivator, | 这是一个伟大的驱动器, |
| 695 | but it's just a little bit of dopamine. | 但它只是一点点多巴胺。 |
| 696 | If you are trying to build towards passion, right, | 如果你是想向激情发展,对吗? |
| 697 | which is this bigger individual motivator, | 是这个更大的个人驱动器, |
| 698 | you just want the intersection of multiple curiosities. | 你只是想要多功能的交汇点 |
| 699 | So this is one of the things | 所以这是其中之一 |
| 700 | when people are trying to find their purpose. | 当人们试图找到他们的目的。 |
| 701 | One of the things I do is I say, | 我要做的就是说 |
| 702 | list 25 things you're curious about | 列出你好奇的25件事情 |
| 703 | and find where they intersect. | 找到它们交汇的地方 |
| 704 | This used to be a hard thing for people. | 这对人们来说是件很难的事 |
| 705 | Like they would have a hard time doing this | 好像他们很难做到这样 |
| 706 | and it would take me a really long time. | 这需要我很长时间。 |
| 707 | The great thing is we all have LLMs. | 伟大的事情是我们都有LLM。 |
| 708 | And they're great at this. | 他们很擅长这个 |
| 709 | Like you can literally use an LLM to do this. | 就像你可以用LLM来做到这一点 |
| 710 | But if you can figure out where like one, | 但是如果你能想出一个 |
| 711 | three or four of your curiosities intersect | 你们的三四个奇才相交 |
| 712 | and start playing there, that's passion. | 开始在那里玩,这就是激情。 |
| 713 | That's a seed kernel of passion | 那是激情的种子内核 |
| 714 | because now you've got a lot of different dopamine coming in. | 因为现在你有很多不同的多巴胺 |
| 715 | When you attach that passion | 当你带着那激情 |
| 716 | to a cause greater than yourself, that's purpose. | 对一个比你更伟大的事业, 这就是目的。 |
| 717 | The reason we care about purpose | 我们关心目的的原因 |
| 718 | from a motivational standpoint is better drugs, right? | 从动机的角度看,药物更好,对吧? |
| 719 | Passion is dopamine and norepinephrine. | 激情是多巴胺和诺雷松素. |
| 720 | It's really powerful, | 它真的很强大, |
| 721 | but purpose is dopamine, norepinephrine | 但用途是多巴胺,诺雷松素 |
| 722 | and then all the pro-social neurochemistry | 然后是所有支持社会的神经化学 |
| 723 | that you get when other people are there. | 当你得到别人在那里。 |
| 724 | So you get serotonin and you get endorphins | 所以,你得到血清素 和你有内啡素 |
| 725 | and you get oxytocin. | 你得到催产素。 |
| 726 | It's better drugs, right? | 这是更好的药物,对不对? |
| 727 | It's more feel-good drugs. | 更觉妙药. |
| 728 | It also seems like there's two fundamental power sources | 似乎还有两种基本的电源 |
| 729 | for motivation, if you will, | 动机,如果你愿意, |
| 730 | which is one, I have a chip on my shoulder. | 这是之一,我有一个芯片在我的肩上。 |
| 731 | I'm moving away from something. | 我渐渐远离某事. |
| 732 | And then the other is I'm moving towards something. | 另一件事就是我正在走向某种东西。 |
| 733 | It's an interesting way of thinking about it. | 以无边趣智. |
| 734 | So one of the more famous things that I wrote, | 所以我写的最有名的一件事 |
| 735 | it was a newsletter actually, | 其实是一份通讯 |
| 736 | but I love small letter S spite as a motivator. | 但我喜欢小信 Sshuts 作为驱动器。 |
| 737 | This is Tom Brady, right? | 这是汤姆布雷迪,对不对? |
| 738 | Like with a chip on his shoulder. | 就像他的肩膀上有芯片一样 |
| 739 | There's a fortune cookie that's taped to our refrigerator | 我们冰箱里有块幸运饼干 |
| 740 | that like my wife found | 就像我妻子发现的一样 |
| 741 | and it says you get great satisfaction | 上面写着,你非常满意 |
| 742 | out of proving other people wrong. | 证明别人错了 |
| 743 | And almost everything I've done, | 几乎我所做的一切, |
| 744 | like I've done because somebody I thought was doing it wrong | 就像我这样做是因为我以为有人做错了 |
| 745 | and it pissed me off. | 它让我很生气。 |
| 746 | And so I wanna fix it. | 所以我想修补它。 |
| 747 | So I love that as a motivator. | 所以,我喜欢作为一个驱动器。 |
| 748 | When is a chip on your shoulder healthy | 你肩上的芯片什么时候健康 |
| 749 | and when is it unhealthy? | 什么时候不健康? |
| 750 | 所以Michael Jordan就是不健康的例子 因为... | |
| 751 | Greatest basketball player of all time. | 有史以来最好的篮球运动员 |
| 752 | Greatest basketball player of all time, of all time. | 有史以来最伟大的篮球运动员 |
| 753 | And I was born in Chicago. | 我出生在芝加哥。 |
| 754 | I grew up a Bulls fan. | 我长大了一个公牛迷。 |
| 755 | It was like watching Jordan play was amazing, | 这就像看乔丹的游戏是惊人的, |
| 756 | but watching what that chip became | 但看着芯片变成什么 |
| 757 | after he was out of basketball. | 在他没篮球后 |
| 758 | Like, do you watch interviews with Michael Jordan | 喜欢,你看采访 迈克尔乔丹 |
| 759 | and think, oh, here's a really happy dude. | 想想,哦,这里是一个非常快乐的家伙。 |
| 760 | I'm thinking he's starting to get a little bit there now, | 我觉得他现在开始有点... |
| 761 | but as a general, that level of spite as a motivator | 但作为一般人,这种程度的憎恨 作为一种煽动者 |
| 762 | ends up eating you alive. | 最后把你活着吃掉了 |
| 763 | So I think like it's really, really useful, | 所以我觉得这真的很有用 |
| 764 | but you sort of gotta know when to put it down. | 但你得知道什么时候把它放下 |
| 765 | That's why I say small s spite. | 故曰小恶报. |
| 766 | One of the things that I never do | 我从未做过的事之一 |
| 767 | is read criticisms of my work, | 读到我对作品的批评 |
| 768 | take it personally and care what my critics say | 仔细考虑我的批评家的话 |
| 769 | or argue with my critics. | 或者跟我的批评者争论 |
| 770 | But I know lots of thinkers, | 但我认识很多思想家 |
| 771 | lots of really brilliant men and women | 很多非常聪明的男女 |
| 772 | who somebody said they were wrong. | 有人说他们错了 |
| 773 | They will like go toe to toe. | 他们会喜欢脚趾头的 |
| 774 | I'll give you, this happened fairly recently | 我跟你说,这发生在最近 |
| 775 | and it was just, we put out a very, | 只是,我们做了一个非常, |
| 776 | I have a new science article out right now | 我现在有一篇新的科学文章 |
| 777 | in Frontiers of Neuroscience called | 神经科学前沿 |
| 778 | The Body Doesn't Keep the Score. | 身体不保持分数。 |
| 779 | And it is a direct rebuttal against Vander Polk | 这是对范德波克的直接反驳 |
| 780 | who I think is totally wrong | 我觉得他完全错了 |
| 781 | and I think that book is very problematic. | 我觉得这本书很麻烦 |
| 782 | My co-writers, cause people are freaking out | 我的编剧,因为人们都吓坏了 |
| 783 | and there's a lot of like podcasters are trying to, | 有很多像播客 试图, |
| 784 | people are trying to argue with us. | 人们试图与我们争论。 |
| 785 | And I had to come, I was like, | 我不得不来,我说, |
| 786 | we're not going to play that game. | 我们不会玩那个游戏的 |
| 787 | Like at some point, if you know, | 就像在某个时候,如果你知道, |
| 788 | the right person comes to us and says, | 正确的人来到我们说, |
| 789 | hey, will you have the conversation? | 嘿,你能谈谈吗? |
| 790 | Yes, we'll do that. | 是的,我们会做到这一点。 |
| 791 | But our job is not to like defend our territory | 但我们的工作不是喜欢保卫我们的领土 |
| 792 | against commerce. | 反对商业。 |
| 793 | We took our stand. | 我们采取了立场。 |
| 794 | We made our stay. | 我们留下了 |
| 795 | That's a very well-written article. | 这篇文章写得很好 |
| 796 | You can argue with us. | 你可以和我们争论 |
| 797 | You don't have to argue with us, | 你不用和我们争论 |
| 798 | but we don't have to rebut all the, | 但是我们不必反驳这一切 |
| 799 | like that's not the job. | 像这不是工作。 |
| 800 | The job is to do the research and you know, | 工作是进行研究,你知道, |
| 801 | our job is to prove it more, right? | 我们的工作是证明它更多,对不对? |
| 802 | Like people got mad, great. | 就像人们疯了一样,太好了。 |
| 803 | Let's go do another study and prove it more, right? | 我们再做个研究,再证明一下,对吧? |
| 804 | And like, that's our job. | 这就是我们的工作 |
| 805 | Our job isn't all the rebuttals | 我们的工作不是所有的反驳 |
| 806 | and you don't have to sort of do that. | 你没必要这么做 |
| 807 | I see those writers and it's amazing | 我看到那些作家,这是惊人的 |
| 808 | because I like, I see really smart people | 因为我喜欢,我看到非常聪明的人 |
| 809 | who are amazing contributors to this world. | 他们为这个世界做出了惊人的贡献。 |
| 810 | And I can't tell you how much time they're, you know, | 我不能告诉你 他们有多少时间,你知道, |
| 811 | like flushing down a toilet | 就像冲下厕所一样 |
| 812 | because they want to argue with their critics. | 因为他们想和批评者争论 |
| 813 | One thing we haven't talked about with Flow | 有件事我们还没跟福福说 |
| 814 | is its relationship to learning. | 它与学习的关系。 |
| 815 | So I know Cal Newport argues | 所以我知道卡尔·纽波特争论 |
| 816 | that Flow isn't the optimal learning state | 流动不是最好的学习状态 |
| 817 | because we need a lot of discomfort. | 因为我们需要很多不适 |
| 818 | I'm curious, what's your reaction to that? | 我很好奇,你有什么反应? |
| 819 | One of my pet peeves is people who coin | 我的一个宠物皮尔夫是钱币的人 |
| 820 | a whole bunch of new language for themselves. | 一大堆新语言 |
| 821 | One of the reasons Flow research was so damn hard, | 原因之一 流研究是如此的艰难, |
| 822 | so damn hard, the entire altered state space | 这么难,整个改变的州空间 |
| 823 | is everybody wanted to coin a new name, right? | 大家都想改个名字,对吧? |
| 824 | Maslow called it peak experiences, | 马斯洛称之为峰值体验, |
| 825 | Chick sent me how I was Flow, | 小鸡把我变成流水人 |
| 826 | then Phil Jackson, the zone. | 然后菲尔・杰克逊,区域。 |
| 827 | And so I look at Cal and I think, | 所以我看着卡尔,我想, |
| 828 | and I'm picking a fight here | 我在这里挑战 |
| 829 | that I don't really need to pick a fight, | 说我真的不需要 选一场比赛, |
| 830 | but like it bugs the shit out of me. | 但喜欢它烦恼 我狗屎。 |
| 831 | I'm like, deep work is another word for Flow, brother. | 我很喜欢,深功是另一个词 流,兄弟。 |
| 832 | Like, I'm sorry, you've coined a new term. | 抱歉 你发明了一个新术语 |
| 833 | When he says, well, no, | 当他说,嗯,不, |
| 834 | you're gonna need a lot of struggle for Flow, | 你需要为Flow而努力 |
| 835 | well, that's because there's a Flow cycle. | 那是因为有循环 |
| 836 | The front end of a Flow state is what is known as struggle. | 流动状态的前端是所谓的斗争。 |
| 837 | It's a loading phase. | 这是一个装填阶段。 |
| 838 | Flow is unconscious when we can perform tests | 当我们可以进行测试时 流体会失去知觉 |
| 839 | without much conscious interference. | 没有太多意识干扰。 |
| 840 | To perform something unconsciously, | 为了无意识的表演 |
| 841 | we first have to learn it consciously, right? | 我们首先要自觉学习,对吧? |
| 842 | And so that's why there's a, | 所以,这就是为什么有一个, |
| 843 | the first front end of Flow state is struggle, right? | 流州的第一个前端是斗争,对不对? |
| 844 | It's all conscious, it's all thinking. | 皆有觉悟,皆有思虑. |
| 845 | Cal说得对 | |
| 846 | And this is Colleen Seifert | 这位是科琳·塞弗特 |
| 847 | sort of did some of the original work here. | 有点做了一些 最初的工作在这里。 |
| 848 | She was at the University of Michigan, she's brilliant. | 她当时在密歇根大学,很出色. |
| 849 | But she found that in struggle, | 但她在挣扎中发现 |
| 850 | the more frustrated you get, | 你越感到沮丧, |
| 851 | the more sort of you've overloaded your RAM, | 你越是超载你的内存, |
| 852 | the better chance you have of A, | 你有一个更好的机会, |
| 853 | solving the problem later, | 以后再解决问题, |
| 854 | and B, of getting into Flow, | 和B,进入流动, |
| 855 | once that solution shows up. | 一旦解决方案出现 |
| 856 | If you're curious about this, if anyone's listening, | 如果你好奇的话 如果有人在听 |
| 857 | if you look my name in our big paper | 如果你在报纸上看到我的名字 |
| 858 | on the Neural Dynamics of Intuition, | 直觉的神经动态, |
| 859 | it's called Pathfinding a Neural Dynamical | 叫做寻找神经动力 |
| 860 | Count of Intuition Ran in Nature, | 自然界的洞察力兰伯爵 |
| 861 | we found that this is also true | 我们发现这也是事实 |
| 862 | if you want an intuitive breakthrough, | 如果你想要直观的突破 |
| 863 | like when you're learning a subject, | 就像你在学习一个科目时 |
| 864 | the more frustrated you are, | 你越是沮丧, |
| 865 | the better chance you will later like, | 你以后会喜欢的最好的机会 |
| 866 | intuit the solution. | 随心所欲 |
| 867 | And this is, so this is, | 这是,所以这是, |
| 868 | I'll talk more about Flow and learning, | 我将多谈流和学习 |
| 869 | but this is like, for parents, | 但对于父母来说 |
| 870 | I think it's one of the most important things | 我觉得这是最重要的事情之一 |
| 871 | that you need to teach kids. | 你需要教孩子们。 |
| 872 | And I think it's one of the most important things | 我觉得这是最重要的事情之一 |
| 873 | that all of us need to learn. | 我们所有人都需要学习。 |
| 874 | So I always say, | 所以我总是说, |
| 875 | if you actually understand peak performance, | 如果你真的懂高峰表现 |
| 876 | you find out that a lot of our emotions | 你发现我们很多的情绪 |
| 877 | don't mean what we think they mean. | 并不是我们所认为的 |
| 878 | You know, frustration, and this is a great example. | 你知道,沮丧, 这是一个伟大的例子。 |
| 879 | When most people get frustrated, | 当大多数人感到沮丧时, |
| 880 | they're learning something that they can't learn, | 他们正在学习一些他们无法学习的东西, |
| 881 | they're frustrated, they can't solve them, | 他们很沮丧 他们无法解决他们 |
| 882 | they think it's a sign they did something wrong. | 他们认为这是他们做错事的征兆 |
| 883 | They think it's a sign | 他们认为这是个征兆 |
| 884 | that they're moving in the wrong direction | 他们走错方向了 |
| 885 | or they should stop or whatever. | 或者他们应该停止什么的。 |
| 886 | From the literature, I can tell you, | 从文献来看,我可以告诉你, |
| 887 | it's exactly right. | 没错 |
| 888 | You have a label on it, | 上面贴着标签 |
| 889 | like it still feels like shit, | 感觉还是一团糟 |
| 890 | it's still frustrating, | 仍然令人沮丧 |
| 891 | but you're actually moving in the exact right direction. | 但你实际上正朝着正确的方向前进 |
| 892 | That's a good thing, not a bad thing. | 这是好事,不是坏事。 |
| 893 | It just doesn't feel very good. | 感觉不太好 |
| 894 | Or- | 还是... |
| 895 | So frustration is feedback. | 因此,挫折是反馈。 |
| 896 | Frustration is kind of feedback. | 失望是一种反馈。 |
| 897 | All it's telling you | 所有它告诉你的 |
| 898 | is that you've overloaded your working memory. | 你的工作记忆已经超载了 |
| 899 | But anyways, frustration is a sign | 但不管怎样,挫折是标志 |
| 900 | that you're moving in the right direction. | 你正朝着正确的方向前进 |
| 901 | And so yes, is he right? | 所以是的,他说得对吗? |
| 902 | Like, do you need to struggle for learning? | 像,你需要挣扎学习吗? |
| 903 | Yes, in fact, you need norepinephrine | 是的,事实上,你需要诺雷松 |
| 904 | in your system to learn. | 在你的系统学习。 |
| 905 | Norepinephrine is low levels is curiosity, | 肾上腺素是低水平的 是好奇心, |
| 906 | high levels is anxiety, right? | 高水平就是焦虑 对吧? |
| 907 | And you cannot learn | 你无法学习 |
| 908 | without a little bit of norepinephrine in your system. | 在你的系统里没有一点肾上腺素 |
| 909 | It will completely block learning. | 它会完全阻碍学习。 |
| 910 | So he's not wrong, | 所以他没有错 |
| 911 | but there's a biological cycle here. | 但这里有一个生物循环。 |
| 912 | It goes farther than that. | 更远了 |
| 913 | And what he's calling deep work is like, | 他所说的深层工作就是 |
| 914 | as far as I can tell, is flow. | 据我所知,是流动。 |
| 915 | And you've just reblanded something else | 而且你刚刚又把别的东西退了 |
| 916 | and you've just made it harder | 而你却让事情变得更困难 |
| 917 | for people who are trying to study this | 给那些想学习的人 |
| 918 | and get smarter about it. | 更聪明一点 |
| 919 | I wanna come back to something. | 我想回来的东西。 |
| 920 | Maybe double click on pattern recognition | 也许双击模式识别 |
| 921 | and anticipation, | 和期待, |
| 922 | the relationship between those two things. | 这两件事之间的关系。 |
| 923 | The brain fundamentally is a prediction engine, right? | 大脑基本上是一个预测引擎,对不对? |
| 924 | What the brain is doing at every moment of every day | 大脑每天都在做什么 |
| 925 | is it's trying to predict what is about to happen, right? | 这是在预测接下来会发生什么 对吧? |
| 926 | And what it wants to do is lower uncertainty, | 它想要做的是降低不确定性, |
| 927 | wants to minimize uncertainty, | 想尽可能减少不确定性, |
| 928 | and it wants to know exactly how much energy, right? | 它想知道到底有多少能量,对不对? |
| 929 | Cause we evolved in an environment | 因为我们在环境中进化 |
| 930 | where calories are really hard to come by. | 热量很难到达的地方 |
| 931 | So it never wants to waste energy. | 所以它从不想浪费能量。 |
| 932 | So it's what's about to happen | 所以这是即将发生的事情 |
| 933 | and how much energy do I need to meet the challenge? | 我需要多少精力来迎接挑战? |
| 934 | That's what the brain is always trying to do. | 大脑总是想这么做 |
| 935 | So when I think about, when you say anticipation, | 所以当我想到,当你说期待, |
| 936 | I'm really just thinking about | и痷稱 |
| 937 | what we mean by like a prediction engine brain | 我们所谓的预测引擎大脑 |
| 938 | that's always sort of trying to lower uncertainty. | 这总是试图降低不确定性。 |
| 939 | And I also think like, | 我也认为, |
| 940 | if you're trying to understand human behavior, | 如果你试图理解人类的行为 |
| 941 | you always have to start there. | 你总得从那里开始 |
| 942 | We use pattern recognition as a flow trigger. | 我们用模式识别作为触发器 |
| 943 | So it's another one of flows triggers | 所以,这是另一个流动触发器 |
| 944 | and it's really, really, really important. | 这真的很,真的很,真的很重要。 |
| 945 | And I'll give you a couple of like, | 我给你一些像, |
| 946 | sort of really common examples. | 那种真正常见的例子。 |
| 947 | So one of the things I will always have people | 所以有一件事,我会永远有的人 |
| 948 | I'm working with do is read a minimum of 25 pages | 我的工作是至少读25页 |
| 949 | a day, usually in a book. | 一天,通常在一本书中。 |
| 950 | I like, I think books are the best, | 我喜欢,我觉得书是最好的, |
| 951 | but cause you have to stock the pattern recognition system | 但因为您必须存储模式识别系统 |
| 952 | with ammunition, right? | 弹药,对不对? |
| 953 | If you're not feeding the pattern recognition system | 如果你没有输入模式识别系统 |
| 954 | new information, it doesn't have the raw materials | 新的信息,它没有原料 |
| 955 | to make connections. | 用来建立联系。 |
| 956 | So one of the ways to start getting more flow in your life | 因此,一个方法开始 增加你的生活流量 |
| 957 | is if you start taking in more information. | 如果你开始接受更多信息。 |
| 958 | And I like reading books because they, | 我喜欢看书,因为它们 |
| 959 | they're just the densest form of information | 它们只是最密集的信息形式 |
| 960 | available on the planet. | 可在地球上使用。 |
| 961 | And you have the best opportunity | 你有最好的机会 |
| 962 | for stocking the pattern recognition system that way. | 用来储存模式识别系统 |
| 963 | But that's one of the things I think of | 但我也这么想 |
| 964 | when talking about pattern recognition. | 说到模式识别时 |
| 965 | Again, on the other side, | 再次,在另一边, |
| 966 | this is something that I train a lot. | 这是我经常训练的 |
| 967 | We'll train different thinking styles, | 我们会训练不同的思维风格, |
| 968 | lateral thinking, right? | 横向思考,对不对? |
| 969 | Outside the box thinking, | 在盒子外想着 |
| 970 | how do you make sort of connections | 如何建立某种联系 |
| 971 | between sort of unrelated things? | 那种无关的事情? |
| 972 | How does that work? | 怎么会这样? |
| 973 | And the brain will, you know, | 而大脑会,你知道, |
| 974 | sort of automatically do that. | 那种自动做到这一点。 |
| 975 | What I always say with, | 我总是说, |
| 976 | we were talking earlier about writing | 我们刚才在谈论写作 |
| 977 | and sort of one of the most common causes of writer's block | 和某种最常见的原因之一 作家的阻断 |
| 978 | is not knowing your starts and your endings. | 不知道你的开始和结束。 |
| 979 | If you know where you're starting, | 如果你知道你从哪里开始 |
| 980 | you know where you're ending, | 你知道你的结局, |
| 981 | the brain is a built, | 大脑是一个建筑, |
| 982 | it's a pattern recognition system, right? | 这是一个模式识别系统,对不对? |
| 983 | The brain does pattern recognition at, | 大脑的图案识别 |
| 984 | like this is what neurons do it at most basic level, right? | 神经元在最基本的层面就是这样做的,对吧? |
| 985 | Everything we do is built out of pattern recognition. | 我们所做的一切都是建立在模式识别之外。 |
| 986 | If you know your starts and your endings, | 如果你知道你的开始和结束, |
| 987 | you have a pattern recognition system for the brain, | 你有大脑的模式识别系统, |
| 988 | it will connect them. | 它会连接他们。 |
| 989 | This is how we do narrative, | 这就是我们如何做叙事, |
| 990 | this is how we do cause and effect, | 这就是我们做的因果关系, |
| 991 | this is how the brain does everything. | 大脑就是这样做的 |
| 992 | So with writing, people, if they're stuck, | 因此,随着写作,人们, 如果他们被卡住了, |
| 993 | it's usually because they don't know where they're starting | 通常是因为他们不知道从哪里开始 |
| 994 | and where they're going, | 他们要去哪里? |
| 995 | because eventually the brain will automatically | 因为最终大脑会自动 |
| 996 | fill in the middle for you, | 在中间为你填写, |
| 997 | because it's built to do that. | 因为它的建造这样做。 |
| 998 | Let me tell you about the best new product | 让我告诉你最好的新产品 |
| 999 | that I've used in the past five years. | 我用在过去5年。 |
| 1000 | It's the Matic Vacuum. | 即是马氏真空. |
| 1001 | This thing vacuums, it mops, Matic does everything. | 这东西会吸尘 拖把 Matic会做任何事 |
| 1002 | Other robots bump into things, | 其他机器人碰上的东西, |
| 1003 | but the Matic sees things. | 但马提人却看到了一些东西。 |
| 1004 | It actually avoids the problems | 其实可以避免问题 |
| 1005 | 和 Matic 自动调整 | |
| 1006 | between my carpeted surfaces and my hardwood floors. | 我的地毯表面和硬木地板之间 |
| 1007 | It's also super easy to schedule. | 这也是超容易安排的. |
| 1008 | I have it run every night while I'm in bed | 我每晚睡觉的时候都会跑 |
| 1009 | and every morning I wake up to clean floors. | 每天早上我醒来 清理地板。 |
| 1010 | Messes happen and when they do, Matic rolls into action. | 出事了,一旦出事, Matic 就会投入行动。 |
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| 1012 | Ever hit 3pm and feel like your brain just quit? | 曾经击中3点 觉得你的大脑刚刚退出? |
| 1013 | For a lot of people, that's not caffeine or sleep, | 对很多人来说 这不是咖啡因或睡眠 |
| 1014 | it's electrolytes and water alone won't fix it. | 它的电解质和水 单独解决不了它。 |
| 1015 | That's why I drink element every day after lunch. | 所以我每天午饭后都喝元素 |
| 1016 | Zero sugar, no dodgy ingredients, | 零糖,没有杜迪成分, |
| 1017 | just a real dose of sodium, potassium and magnesium. | 只是真正的钠,钾和镁的剂量. |
| 1018 | I know you're all thinking electrolytes are for athletes, | 我知道你们都以为电解质是运动员用的 |
| 1019 | but you don't have to be an athlete to benefit from it | 但你不必是运动员才能从中获益 |
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| 1025 | Can you teach people to think better? | 你能教人们思考得更好吗? |
| 1026 | If you want to think better, | 如果你想想好点的话 |
| 1027 | you have to start by reading more. | 你得从阅读开始 |
| 1028 | Like the, you want to think better, read more. | 喜欢,你想更好的思考, 阅读更多。 |
| 1029 | First thing, people ask me how I got my career, | 首先,人们问我 我是如何得到我的职业生涯, |
| 1030 | how I did anything and I will flat out tell you | 我做了什么,我会告诉你 |
| 1031 | I read the motherfuckers. | 我读过那些混蛋 |
| 1032 | I just, I realized very early on, | 我只是,我意识到很早, |
| 1033 | I wasn't the brightest guy. | 我不是最聪明的人。 |
| 1034 | I wasn't, you know, the best at all that stuff, | 我不是,你知道,最好的 在所有的东西, |
| 1035 | but I was willing to read three or four or five times | 但我愿意读三四五遍 |
| 1036 | the amount as anybody else was willing to read. | 其他人愿意读的金额 |
| 1037 | So I think one, if like you want to teach somebody | 所以我想,如果你想教别人 |
| 1038 | to think better, you got to teach them how to read more. | 你要教他们多读点 |
| 1039 | When I say read, I actually mean books. | 我说看书,其实我是说看书 |
| 1040 | I spend most of my time these days reading textbooks. | 这些天我大部分时间都在看教科书 |
| 1041 | I, and I, cause I think it's the ultimate edge. | 我,我,我,因为我认为这是最终的边缘。 |
| 1042 | I love them cause literally you have the best people | 我爱他们,因为实际上你有最好的人 |
| 1043 | in the world summarizing and putting all | 在世界上总结和摆放所有 |
| 1044 | their most important stuff into it | 他们最重要的东西在里面 |
| 1045 | and nobody else reads them. | 没人读过 |
| 1046 | I always talk about this in terms of the ROI on reading. | 我总是用读本的ROI来谈这个 |
| 1047 | And so for example, if you read a blog of mine | 例如,如果你读了我的博客 |
| 1048 | or a short article, right? | 或短篇小说,对不对? |
| 1049 | It's going to take you five to eight minutes, | 要花五到八分钟 |
| 1050 | about a thousand words, right? | 大约一千个字,对不对? |
| 1051 | It's going to take you five to eight minutes to read it. | 要读五到八分钟 |
| 1052 | What do you actually get for those thousand words? | 你从这千字里得到什么? |
| 1053 | Well, I'm writing a blog article. | 我在写一篇博客文章 |
| 1054 | I'm going to, it's two writing sessions really. | 我会的,这是两个写作会 真的。 |
| 1055 | I'm going to write it one day. | 一日写下. |
| 1056 | I may do one phone call, one interview, | 我可以打一个电话,一个面试, |
| 1057 | like I'll call a friend. | 就像我会叫朋友一样 |
| 1058 | Hey, you know, you're an expert. | 嘿,你知道,你是一个专家。 |
| 1059 | What do you think? | 你觉得呢? |
| 1060 | This is the idea, you know? | 这就是想法,你知道吗? |
| 1061 | And then I'm going to polish it the next day. | 后于次日磨净. |
| 1062 | So you give me five minutes and you get roughly six hours | 你给我五分钟,然后约六小时 |
| 1063 | and maybe one phone call. | 和也许一个电话。 |
| 1064 | So two brains on the problem | 因此,两个大脑的问题 |
| 1065 | and about six hours for five minutes. | 大约6小时5分钟 |
| 1066 | That's not bad ROI. | 这不是坏ROI。 |
| 1067 | But if you read a book, say take Rise of Superman, | 但是如果你读了一本书, 说"超人的崛起", |
| 1068 | my books on average are about 70, 72,000 words. | 我的书平均有70,72,000个字 |
| 1069 | So you take most people about six to seven hours | 所以你要花六到七个小时 |
| 1070 | reading them and this is just normal reading speed, right? | 读它们,这只是正常的读速度,对不对? |
| 1071 | So, okay, cool. | 所以,没关系,酷。 |
| 1072 | You've given me six to seven hours. | 你给了我六到七个小时 |
| 1073 | What's your return on investment? | 你的投资回报是多少? |
| 1074 | Well, for Rise of Superman, | 为了超人的崛起 |
| 1075 | it took me 15 years worth of research to write that book. | 我花了15年的研究 写了这本书。 |
| 1076 | There were thousands of conversations and you know, | 有成千上万的对话,你知道, |
| 1077 | so literally you're giving me six or seven hours, | 所以实际上你给我六七小时, |
| 1078 | but you're getting 15 years of my life | 但你会得到我生命中15年 |
| 1079 | and hundreds of other people beating on those ideas. | 和数以百计的人 殴打这些想法。 |
| 1080 | That's amazing ROI. | 这是惊人的ROI。 |
| 1081 | Two ideas that dovetail into this. | 两个想法 潜入这个。 |
| 1082 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 1083 | I wanna hear you maybe respond to, | 我想听到你也许回应, |
| 1084 | one is I have a concept called the learning loop | 我有一个叫学习循环的概念 |
| 1085 | and it's you have an experience, | 你有一个经验, |
| 1086 | you take that experience, you compress it. | 你接受这个经验, 压缩它。 |
| 1087 | So you reflect on it. | 你仔细想想 |
| 1088 | So you have an experience, you reflect on it, | 所以,你有一个经验, 你思考它, |
| 1089 | you create a compression | 您创建压缩 |
| 1090 | and then you act on that compression. | 然后再按压缩 |
| 1091 | And when we communicate with other people, | 当我们和其他人交流时, |
| 1092 | we're often communicating the compression. | 我们经常沟通压缩。 |
| 1093 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 1094 | And I feel in a lot of cases, it's the illusion of knowledge. | 而在很多情况下,我觉得,这是知识的幻觉. |
| 1095 | It's like me going home. | 这就像我回家。 |
| 1096 | I pull out a cookbook. | 我拿出一本厨书。 |
| 1097 | I can make that recipe, but if something goes wrong, | 我可以做那个配方 但如果出了问题 |
| 1098 | I have no idea what went wrong, why it went wrong. | 我不知道出什么事了 为什么出了问题 |
| 1099 | But the chef who's had the experience | 但那个有经验的厨师 |
| 1100 | reflected on that experience | 经验的反映 |
| 1101 | and then given me the recipe, | 然后给我食谱, |
| 1102 | which is in fact the compression, | 这实际上是压缩, |
| 1103 | they knew exactly what went wrong. | 他们知道到底出了什么事 |
| 1104 | There's too much salt. | 盐量过大. |
| 1105 | Your oven's not the right temperature. | 你的烤箱温度不对 |
| 1106 | You didn't start enough. | 你没有开始足够的。 |
| 1107 | They like instantly know all of that stuff. | 他们喜欢立刻知道这些东西 |
| 1108 | And a lot of what we consume is the compressions, | 我们消耗的大量是压缩, |
| 1109 | other people's compression. | 其他人的压缩。 |
| 1110 | So in the podcast space, | 因此,在播客空间, |
| 1111 | one of the reasons I wanted to do long form | 其中一个原因 我想做长形式 |
| 1112 | is to get away from the compression. | 即远离压缩。 |
| 1113 | Oh, at least as reasonably as we can, | 哦,至少我们尽可能合理, |
| 1114 | get away from the compressions, | 远离压缩, |
| 1115 | get into the experiences and show the thinking, | 进入经验 并展示想法, |
| 1116 | show the reflection. | 显示反射。 |
| 1117 | And then people can come up with their own compressions | 然后,人们可以提出自己的压缩 |
| 1118 | that they take away from the episode | 他们从剧集中取走 |
| 1119 | in an effort to make it more useful. | 努力使其更有用。 |
| 1120 | I'm curious, A, how you would respond to that, | 我很好奇,A,你会如何回应, |
| 1121 | B, how I can make the podcast format better | B,我怎样才能让播客格式更好 |
| 1122 | for people to take away information they can actually use. | 人们可以拿走他们实际使用的信息。 |
| 1123 | One, I think it's a medium is the message kind of thing. | 一,我认为是媒介是信息一类的东西. |
| 1124 | So I think you will get with this kind of thing, | 所以我认为你会得到这种事情, |
| 1125 | better stories, better the human side. | 更好的故事,更好的人类方面。 |
| 1126 | Like there's a lot of advantages | 好像有很多好处 |
| 1127 | because those things even get compressed | 因为这些东西甚至被压缩 |
| 1128 | in books for a lot of reasons. | 在书中有很多原因。 |
| 1129 | So I think the podcast is really, | 所以我认为播客真的, |
| 1130 | there's certain kinds of things | 有些东西 |
| 1131 | that is very effective for. | 这是非常有效的。 |
| 1132 | When it comes to like teaching knowledge though, | 当它喜欢 教授知识, |
| 1133 | I still think there's something about reading. | 我还是觉得有读的东西。 |
| 1134 | Oh, definitely. | 当然 |
| 1135 | You know, that's just better. | 你知道,这只是更好。 |
| 1136 | I also always tell people that like, | 我也总是告诉别人,喜欢, |
| 1137 | you can't read the same books as other people, right? | 你不能和别人一样看书,对吧? |
| 1138 | If you read the same books as other people, | 如果你读的书和其他人一样 |
| 1139 | you think the same thoughts as other people. | 你的想法和其他人一样 |
| 1140 | And so whenever the whole world's running around | 所以,每当整个世界的运行 |
| 1141 | talking about a book, | 谈论一本书, |
| 1142 | like I'm usually suspicious of that book, | 就像我通常怀疑那本书 |
| 1143 | but I'm usually curious about what the author read | 但我通常好奇 作者读了什么 |
| 1144 | to produce the book, right? | 来制作这本书,对不对? |
| 1145 | That's really interesting to me. | 这对我来说真的很有趣。 |
| 1146 | I like backtracking that way in terms of sources. | 我喜欢从源头上回溯 |
| 1147 | How to make the podcast better | 如何让播客更好 |
| 1148 | from an information perspective. | 从信息角度来看。 |
| 1149 | Information density. | 信息密度. |
| 1150 | Density perspective is interesting. | 密度视角很有趣。 |
| 1151 | To me, it's also about your willingness, | 对我来说,这也是关于你的意愿, |
| 1152 | one's willingness to always sort of ask the extra question. | 总是想问另一个问题 |
| 1153 | I've been on both sides of the microphone, right? | 我一直站在麦克风的两边,对不对? |
| 1154 | I started out as a journalist. | 我一开始是记者 |
| 1155 | There's an urge to sort of get through your questions | 有种冲动 来解决你的问题 |
| 1156 | and get through the interview | 然后通过采访 |
| 1157 | and sort of do that part of the job, | 做这部分工作, |
| 1158 | but like there's always the next question, right? | 但总有下一个问题 对吧? |
| 1159 | There's that follow. | 即有随顺. |
| 1160 | And so that like the restraint to like, | 所以,就像约束喜欢, |
| 1161 | oh, I'm not gonna get through my checklist. | 哦,我不会通过我的检查表。 |
| 1162 | I'm gonna take the time to ask the next question | 我要花时间问下一个问题 |
| 1163 | and the follow-up and the follow-up, | 以及后续行动和后续行动, |
| 1164 | which you've been doing. | 你一直在做这些 |
| 1165 | But this is why you're the perfect person to talk to | 但这就是为什么你是一个完美的人 说话 |
| 1166 | with your journal. | 带着你的日记 |
| 1167 | Like how do you pull out the best information from people? | 比如你如何从人们那里提取最好的信息? |
| 1168 | So this is how do you interview experts, right? | 所以,这是你如何采访专家,对不对? |
| 1169 | These are my roles. | 这是我的角色。 |
| 1170 | One, I don't go into, | 一,我不进去, |
| 1171 | like if I'm being interviewed by somebody | 像是有人采访我 |
| 1172 | or interviewing somebody, I learn everything, | 或采访某人, 我学到一切, |
| 1173 | like everything. | 喜欢一切。 |
| 1174 | I will know your hometown. | 我会知道你的家乡。 |
| 1175 | I remember at one point I had to meet, | 我记得有一次我不得不见面 |
| 1176 | I can't remember the vodka company was the guy, | 我不记得伏特加公司就是那个家伙了 |
| 1177 | one of the big vodka companies I was interviewing him. | 我采访他的伏特加大公司之一 |
| 1178 | And I found out, like not only was, | 我发现, 不仅如此, |
| 1179 | did I find out what his hometown was, | 我发现他的家乡是什么了吗? |
| 1180 | I found out what the patron saint of his hometown was. | 我发现了他家乡的守护神 |
| 1181 | And there was a statue, Saint Edwina. | 还有雕像,圣埃德温娜 |
| 1182 | Since the patron saint of East skating | 自从东方滑冰的守护神 |
| 1183 | is still stuck in my brain, | 还在我脑子里 |
| 1184 | I can't even tell you what town it is. | 我甚至不能告诉你它是什么城镇。 |
| 1185 | It was in Finland, I wanna say. | 在芬兰,我想说。 |
| 1186 | So like I'll go into the interview | 就像我会去面试一样 |
| 1187 | knowing all their work and a lot about them. | 了解他们所有的工作和很多关于他们的事 |
| 1188 | First question I ask always displays personal knowledge. | 我问的第一个问题总是表现个人知识。 |
| 1189 | So you grew up in so-and-so | 所以,你从小就长大了 |
| 1190 | and when you were 10 years old, X happened. | 当你10岁时,发生了X |
| 1191 | Something that like lets you know, I know your history. | 比如让你知道 我知道你的历史 |
| 1192 | That's question one. | 这是问题一。 |
| 1193 | Question two, I'm gonna always display domain knowledge | 第二问题,我总是展示域知识 |
| 1194 | about not just your like, | 不只是你喜欢, |
| 1195 | I'm gonna display knowledge about your work, | 我要展示你的工作知识 |
| 1196 | but I'm gonna put it in the main context. | 但我要把它放在主要的背景。 |
| 1197 | So David Eagleman, science writer, right? | 所以大卫・伊格尔曼,科学作家,对不对? |
| 1198 | So David, when you wrote Incognito | 所以,大卫,当你写 认知 |
| 1199 | and you presented your information on synesthesia, | 你介绍了你关于协同的信息, |
| 1200 | that's really interesting, | 这真的很有趣, |
| 1201 | but it conflicts with what Helmholtz said back in blah, | 但和Helmholtz之前说的话有冲突 |
| 1202 | I'll do that kind of thing. | 我会做那种事的 |
| 1203 | So the first two questions I want to establish one, | 所以,前两个问题 我想建立一个, |
| 1204 | I know you, I know you and I know your work | 我认识你,我认识你,我了解你的工作 |
| 1205 | and I can speak your language. | 我可以说出你的语言。 |
| 1206 | So feel free to speak freely. | 自由说话吧 |
| 1207 | I will, I'm also always the first person to be like, | 我会的,我也是第一个喜欢的人 |
| 1208 | hey, stop, you're gonna have to explain that to me. | 嘿,停下来,你必须解释给我听。 |
| 1209 | Like I'm a four-year-old, right? | 就像我是一个四岁的孩子,对不对? |
| 1210 | I've got no, I've got no ego. | 我没有,我没有自负。 |
| 1211 | No shame, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 无惭无愧. |
| 1212 | I love being the dumb guy in the room, right? | 我喜欢当房间里的哑巴,对吧? |
| 1213 | Love being the dumb guy in the room | 爱做房间里的哑巴 |
| 1214 | and being able to be like, hey, how did that work? | 并且能够像,嘿, 如何工作? |
| 1215 | It's about sort of seducing your interviewee into flow, | 是关于引诱你的受访者流动 |
| 1216 | right? | 对吧? |
| 1217 | What you want is to interpersonal flow. | 你想要的是人际流动 |
| 1218 | What you're trying to get here is interpersonal flow, | 你想得到的是人际流动 |
| 1219 | us to get so lost in the conversation, | 我们在谈话中迷路了 |
| 1220 | that my filters come down and I'm willing to, | 我的过滤器下来 我愿意, |
| 1221 | that's sort of what everybody's sort of going for. | 这有点像每个人都要去。 |
| 1222 | When you're interviewing experts and suddenly you're like, | 当你采访专家 突然你喜欢, |
| 1223 | oh my God, you know my history and you speak my language? | 哦,我的上帝,你知道我的历史 你讲我的语言? |
| 1224 | You're one of us, I could talk to you, right? | 你是我们的一员,我可以和你谈谈,对不对? |
| 1225 | It's a big deal. | 谓大乘. |
| 1226 | I want to switch gears just a little bit. | 我想换一下齿轮 |
| 1227 | Josh Wadskin says he hunts for his own thinking errors. | Josh Wadskin说他为自己的思维错误而打猎. |
| 1228 | Is that like the meta skill? | 这就像元技能? |
| 1229 | Why is he so effective at learning? | 为什么他在学习方面这么有效? |
| 1230 | I love Josh. | 我爱乔什。 |
| 1231 | I think he's a genius about this stuff. | 我觉得他是个天才 |
| 1232 | I don't know if this is an answer. | 我不知道这是不是答案 |
| 1233 | I'm going to fumble around for a little while, | 我要四处转转一会, |
| 1234 | but I will tell you that the areas where Josh | 但我会告诉你 乔什所在的地区 |
| 1235 | learned how to learn, first as a chess player | 学会了如何学习,首先作为一个棋手 |
| 1236 | and then as a martial artist, especially in Tai Chi, | 之后作为一名武术家,尤其是在太极, |
| 1237 | which is a sort of a slower, more meditative stuff. | 这是一种较慢, 更沉思的东西。 |
| 1238 | When you make errors in thinking, | 当你在思考中犯错时, |
| 1239 | in chess you're going to lose and in Tai Chi push, | 在棋局中,你会输 在太极推, |
| 1240 | he's going to get thrown out of the ring | 他会被赶出来 |
| 1241 | because he was doing competitive, | 因为他在竞争 |
| 1242 | the martial version of Tai Chi | 太极拳的武术版 |
| 1243 | and you get pushed out of the ring, | 你被推出环, |
| 1244 | that's how you lose in that version. | 这就是你如何输在那个版本。 |
| 1245 | And so his thinking errors were very visible. | 所以他的思想错误非常明显。 |
| 1246 | The errors of thinking have consequences | 思考错误会产生后果 |
| 1247 | that were right in his face. | 他脸上的表情没错 |
| 1248 | And I think something like that, | 我认为类似的东西, |
| 1249 | even like me learning to think as a journalist, | 即使喜欢我学会思考 作为一个记者, |
| 1250 | when I got something wrong, I would get fired | 当我有问题的时候,我会被解雇 |
| 1251 | or I wouldn't get hired again, you know what I mean? | 或者我不会再被雇用,你知道我的意思吗? |
| 1252 | So I think to develop the meta skills, | 所以我想发展元技术 |
| 1253 | one, I think the consequences sort of help a little bit | 一,我觉得后果有点帮助 |
| 1254 | to help you think about thinking. | 帮助你思考。 |
| 1255 | I also think I'm a long-time meditator, | 我也觉得我是个长期冥想家 |
| 1256 | Josh is a long-time meditator. | 乔希是一个长期的冥想家. |
| 1257 | When you start getting that separation | 当你开始得到 分离 |
| 1258 | between emotion and feeling, right? | 情感和感觉之间,对不对? |
| 1259 | Because emotions surface first and they're automatic | 因为情绪会先浮出水面,然后是自动的 |
| 1260 | and feelings come second and they feel automatic | 感觉第二,感觉自动 |
| 1261 | and they feel like, but you know, | 他们觉得,但你知道, |
| 1262 | if you can get into the gap | 如果你能进入缺口 |
| 1263 | between emotion and feeling, you start to figure out, | 在情感和感觉之间 你开始想清楚 |
| 1264 | oh, wait a minute, that feeling is a frame. | 哦,等一下,那种感觉是一个框架。 |
| 1265 | It's not exactly trustworthy, it's different. | 这不完全可信,是不同的。 |
| 1266 | There's two things going on here | 这里有两件事 |
| 1267 | and the minute that feeling shows up, | 当感觉出现的时候, |
| 1268 | it locks me into a meaning. | 它把我锁在一个意义。 |
| 1269 | And so when you start doing that work | 所以当你开始做那工作时 |
| 1270 | and you start noticing there's a difference there, | 你开始注意到那里有区别, |
| 1271 | I think all of these things are very helpful | 我觉得这些东西都很有帮助 |
| 1272 | sort of on the way to metacognition. | 有点像去变形的路上。 |
| 1273 | I wanna tie that back to Josh for a second. | 我想把它绑回乔什那里 |
| 1274 | So it seems like there's a couple of things. | 故似有二义. |
| 1275 | I'm gonna say how I'm hearing what you're saying | 我要说,我如何听到你说什么 |
| 1276 | and maybe you can respond to this. | 也许你可以对此做出回应 |
| 1277 | So it sounds like a lot of the conditions Josh was using | 听起来像乔什用了很多条件 |
| 1278 | were the same conditions we need for intuition. | 和我们直觉需要的条件一样 |
| 1279 | So rapid feedback, a lot of iterations | 这么快的反馈,很多重复 |
| 1280 | and a relatively unchanging environment. | 和相对不变的环境。 |
| 1281 | You know, you're confined in what's happening. | 你知道,你被限制在 发生的事情。 |
| 1282 | And then I heard, but you didn't say, | 然后我听说 但你没说 |
| 1283 | or maybe I inferred from my past knowledge of Josh | 或者我从过去对乔什的了解中推断 |
| 1284 | that he was okay being uncomfortable, | 觉得他很不舒服 |
| 1285 | which means he was okay looking like a fool | 也就是说他看起来像个傻瓜 |
| 1286 | and being a beginner and he didn't have an image | 作为初学者,他没有形象 |
| 1287 | or something he had to maintain | 或者他必须维护的东西 |
| 1288 | and he was okay making mistakes | 他犯错还不错 |
| 1289 | and then getting the feedback from those mistakes. | 然后得到这些错误的反馈。 |
| 1290 | That's interesting. | 这很有趣。 |
| 1291 | I wasn't thinking about that. | 我没想到会这样 |
| 1292 | That is obviously true. | 这显然是事实。 |
| 1293 | I think anybody who's good at learning doesn't, | 我觉得任何擅长学习的人都不会 |
| 1294 | like I don't like being bad in public. | 就像我不喜欢在公众场合做坏人 |
| 1295 | So I try very hard, like even with, you know, | 所以我非常努力, 就像,即使与,你知道, |
| 1296 | when I ski, I try to get as far away from the chairlift. | 当我滑雪时,我尽量远离椅子升降机。 |
| 1297 | Like I will, you know, | 就像我会,你知道, |
| 1298 | I wanna iterate in the woods out of sight. | 我想在树林里爬出视线 |
| 1299 | I think Josh was a little bit, | 我觉得乔希是有点, |
| 1300 | like when Josh was transitioning from Tai Chi | 就像乔希从太极转身的时候 |
| 1301 | and martial arts, Gracie Giudice at that point | 格蕾西·吉迪丝在那个时候 |
| 1302 | and moving into surfing and paddle boarding, | 并进入冲浪和划桨登机, |
| 1303 | which is, you know, where he is right now, | 他现在在哪? |
| 1304 | he left New York and went down to Costa Rica, right? | 他离开纽约去了哥斯达黎加 对吧? |
| 1305 | Where he doesn't really know anybody he got. | 在他不认识任何人的地方 |
| 1306 | And some of those access to waves and I got that. | 和一些进入波浪,我得到了这一点。 |
| 1307 | But I think some of that, it was also like, | 但我认为,有些,它也像, |
| 1308 | let me get away from everybody I know | 让我离开所有我认识的人 |
| 1309 | so I could like be really bad and it doesn't matter. | 所以我想做坏人 没关系 |
| 1310 | So I have a theory on how people learn just on this notion. | 所以我有关于人们如何学习这个概念的理论。 |
| 1311 | I think the best people in the world often learn | 我觉得世界上最好的人经常学习 |
| 1312 | in what I call the dark hours. | 我称之为黑暗时刻。 |
| 1313 | Nobody's watching them. | 没人在看 |
| 1314 | There's no boss. | 没有老板 |
| 1315 | It doesn't matter what your field is. | 何等为田. |
| 1316 | It's how you hone your craft. | 这就是你的技巧 |
| 1317 | You play. | 你来玩 |
| 1318 | You're there after 5 p.m. | 你下午5点后就到 |
| 1319 | It's 10 o'clock at night. | 夜行十时. |
| 1320 | You're playing around with an Excel spreadsheet | 你在玩Excel电子表格 |
| 1321 | or you're riding a wave or you're doing whatever. | 或者你骑着一波或你做什么。 |
| 1322 | And nobody's watching you. | 没人在监视你 |
| 1323 | And in those moments you can fail | 在那些时刻,你会失败 |
| 1324 | because there's no consequences. | 因为没有后果。 |
| 1325 | There's no boss directing you. | 没有老板指导你。 |
| 1326 | And you're playing and you're learning. | 你正在玩耍,你正在学习。 |
| 1327 | And that sort of ties into what you were saying | 而那种联系 你刚才说 |
| 1328 | with skiing and how you, yeah, | 滑雪,还有你,是的, |
| 1329 | I wanna do this in the back where nobody can see me. | 我想在后面做,没有人能看见我。 |
| 1330 | I think about this slightly differently. | 我的想法有点不同 |
| 1331 | It's the same when I, | 当我, |
| 1332 | I always talk about the importance of non-time. | 我总是说不时间的重要性。 |
| 1333 | I get up and start my writing day | 我起来开始写作 |
| 1334 | about 3, 34 o'clock every day. | 每天3点34分左右 |
| 1335 | And one of the reasons is nobody bugs me. | 原因之一是没有人打扰我 |
| 1336 | Nobody owns, 4 a.m. to 7 a.m. is non-time. | 没有人拥有,凌晨4点到7点是非时间。 |
| 1337 | It doesn't belong to anybody. | 它不属于任何人。 |
| 1338 | And I, you know, this is an old habit from, | 我,你知道, 这是一个老习惯,从, |
| 1339 | I used to live on the West Coast | 我曾经住在西海岸 |
| 1340 | and I was like, I was the West Coast reporter | 我就像,我是西海岸记者 |
| 1341 | for a lot of East Coast publications. | 许多东海岸的出版物。 |
| 1342 | And we were all young and hungry. | 我们都很年轻很饿 |
| 1343 | And so like my friends, | 像我的朋友一样 |
| 1344 | which my editors would show up | 我的编辑将出现 |
| 1345 | at like eight o'clock in the morning. | 早上八点 |
| 1346 | They would get to work early | 他们早点上班 |
| 1347 | and it's five o'clock back on the West Coast | 现在是西海岸五点 |
| 1348 | and they would start to call me. | 他们会打电话给我。 |
| 1349 | So I knew I had to get my work done, | 所以我知道我必须完成我的工作, |
| 1350 | like my books written before the phone started ringing | 就像电话响前我写的书 |
| 1351 | because I was so poor. | 因为我太穷了 |
| 1352 | Like the minute they called, what do you need? | 就像他们打来的那一刻 你需要什么? |
| 1353 | How high? | 有多高? 高吗? |
| 1354 | I'll jump, right? | 我会跳,对不对? |
| 1355 | Like, what do you need? | 喜欢,你需要什么? |
| 1356 | I'll go do it. | 我去办 |
| 1357 | So it was an instant yes. | 因此,这是一个瞬间是的。 |
| 1358 | And I knew this. | 我知道这一点。 |
| 1359 | So I had to like start getting up earlier | 所以,我不得不喜欢开始早起 |
| 1360 | and earlier and earlier. | 更早和更早的时候 |
| 1361 | And I started to realize exactly what you did is, | 我开始意识到你的所作所为 |
| 1362 | now I love it because sometimes in my job, | 现在我喜欢它,因为有时在我的工作, |
| 1363 | I'm sure in your job too, | 我敢肯定,在你的工作,太, |
| 1364 | there are days I gotta spend an hour | 有些日子我得花一个小时 |
| 1365 | or two hours on a sentence. | 或判两小时 |
| 1366 | And if you're asking me to spend two hours | 如果你要我花两个小时 |
| 1367 | on a sentence at 9 a.m. in normal business hours, | 在正常工作时间上午9时判刑, |
| 1368 | when I gotta like run my company, | 当我喜欢经营我的公司, |
| 1369 | you're crazy, I cannot do it. | 你疯了,我不能这样做。 |
| 1370 | And it's certainly not playful, right? | 这肯定不好玩 对吧? |
| 1371 | And really what you want when you're stuck writing | 写作时真正想要的 |
| 1372 | is exactly that. | 这正是。 |
| 1373 | You have to start playing with the language | 你必须开始玩的语言 |
| 1374 | to like get that breakthrough. | 喜欢得到突破。 |
| 1375 | You have to come at it from weird angles, | 你得从奇怪的角度来研究 |
| 1376 | do all that stuff. | 做那些东西。 |
| 1377 | And you can only do that with like that non-timer, | 你只能用那种不计时的人来做 |
| 1378 | your dark, dark, dark hours. | 你的黑暗,黑暗,黑暗的时间。 |
| 1379 | It gets, that's sort of how I think about it. | 我就是这样想的 |
| 1380 | One of the things we have in common | 我们有一个共同点 |
| 1381 | is that we both had Lyme. | 是我们俩都有莱姆 |
| 1382 | Tell me about your story. | 告诉我你的故事 |
| 1383 | It's sort of the second half of my entrance | 差不多是下半个入口 |
| 1384 | into flow science comes out of this. | 进入流动科学 由此而来。 |
| 1385 | I had this crazy sort of year of sort of, | 我有这种疯狂的一年 排序, |
| 1386 | it's the last year of where I was a journalist | 这是我当记者的最后一年 |
| 1387 | and I had a bunch of bad ass assignments. | 我得到了一堆坏屁股任务。 |
| 1388 | I went to Africa and lived on the side of a river | 我去非洲,住在河边 |
| 1389 | and met a gas car for a couple of months. | 认识了一辆加油车几个月 |
| 1390 | I was part of the first National Geographic | 我是第一个国家地理局的一部分 |
| 1391 | sand surfing expedition into the Sahara. | 沙滩冲向撒哈拉 |
| 1392 | Then I did the first biotic survey ever in a slot canyon. | 然后我在槽峡谷里进行了第一次生物调查。 |
| 1393 | It was like all this madness to us. | 这就像所有这些疯狂的我们。 |
| 1394 | And then I went to a wedding, | 然后我去参加婚礼 |
| 1395 | a friend's wedding in Long Island | 朋友在长岛的婚礼 |
| 1396 | and went for a walk in the Arboretum | 在阿尔博雷图姆散步 |
| 1397 | because I'm shy around people I don't know. | 因为我对不认识的人很害羞 |
| 1398 | And he was his friends and I didn't know anybody. | 他是他的朋友 我不认识任何人 |
| 1399 | And I got bit by a tick at a wedding in Long Island. | 我在长岛的婚礼上被咬了一口 |
| 1400 | But I lost, I spent three years in bed. | 但我输了,我在床上待了三年 |
| 1401 | I was one of the first cases in California. | 我是加州最早的病例之一 |
| 1402 | So they had no idea what was on me. | 所以他们不知道我身上有什么 |
| 1403 | And it was, nobody could fix me. | 而且,没有人能修复我。 |
| 1404 | So that I was on drugs to my stomach lines. | 所以我在服药 我的胃线。 |
| 1405 | I was on doxycycline till my stomach started bleeding out. | 我在脱氧环素上,直到胃开始出血。 |
| 1406 | And they were like, | 他们就像, |
| 1407 | we don't know if you're ever gonna get better. | 我们不知道你会不会好起来 |
| 1408 | We're done with you. | 我们跟你完了 |
| 1409 | We can't do anything more for you basically. | 基本上我们不能再为你做任何事了 |
| 1410 | It's so interesting because doxycycline is the treatment. | 这太有趣了 因为德克西环素是治疗方法 |
| 1411 | I know it's the drug, | 我知道这是药物, |
| 1412 | but they kept me on it for so long | 但是他们让我在它上这么久 |
| 1413 | that like now they'll keep you, | 就像现在一样 他们会留住你 |
| 1414 | it's a month or two months. | 这是一两个月。 |
| 1415 | They kept me on it for a year and a half, | 他们把我关了一年半 |
| 1416 | like, which was insane. | 像,这是疯了。 |
| 1417 | So they, it did a lot of bad stuff to me. | 他们对我做了很多坏事 |
| 1418 | The story I always tell is I was functional | 我常讲的故事是,我很有功能 |
| 1419 | like 10% of the time. | 像10%的时间。 |
| 1420 | I don't know how sick you got, but I couldn't. | 我不知道你病得有多厉害 但我不能 |
| 1421 | I was really sick. | 我当时病得很厉害 |
| 1422 | Yeah, my brain stopped working. | 是啊,我的大脑停止工作。 |
| 1423 | My short-term memory was gone. | 我的短期记忆消失了。 |
| 1424 | My long-term memory, all of it. | 我的长期记忆,全部。 |
| 1425 | And I couldn't walk across the room. | 我不能走过房间。 |
| 1426 | And after I was gonna kill myself, | 当我打算自杀后 |
| 1427 | I had sleeping pills, I had booze, I had a plan. | 我吃了安眠药,喝了酒,我有个计划 |
| 1428 | It was just, it was like when, not if. | 只是,就像什么时候,不是如果。 |
| 1429 | And it was in LA at the time. | 当时在洛杉矶 |
| 1430 | And a friend of mine showed up, my dressed up | 我的一个朋友出现了,我打扮了 |
| 1431 | and demanded that we go surfing. | 并要求我们去冲浪。 |
| 1432 | And I was laughing. | 我当时在笑 |
| 1433 | I was like, Andrew, I can't walk across a room. | 我当时想,安德鲁,我不能走过一个房间。 |
| 1434 | I'm not going surfing. | 我不会冲浪的 |
| 1435 | And she would not leave my apartment | 她不会离开我的公寓 |
| 1436 | and wouldn't leave and wouldn't leave and wouldn't leave. | 不会离开也不会离开 |
| 1437 | And after like three hours, | 三个小时后 |
| 1438 | and you know how irritable you are with Lyme, right? | 你知道你和莱姆有多激动吧? |
| 1439 | You have no reserves. | 你没有储备 |
| 1440 | And she really just, it didn't matter what I said to her. | 她真的只是, 这不重要,我说什么给她。 |
| 1441 | She was not leaving. | 她没有离开。 |
| 1442 | And after three hours, it was like, I give up. | 三小时后,我放弃了 |
| 1443 | Let's just go surfing today. | 今天我们去冲浪吧 |
| 1444 | What is the worst that can happen? | 会发生什么最糟糕的事? |
| 1445 | I'm gonna kill myself anyway, right? | 反正我会自杀的,对吧? |
| 1446 | So she took me to the Pacific. | 所以她带我去太平洋 |
| 1447 | They gave me a giant board, right? | 他们给了我一个巨大的板,对不对? |
| 1448 | And surfing the bigger board, the easier it is to surf. | 冲浪板越大,冲浪越容易。 |
| 1449 | And it was summer, it was a mellow, warm day. | 这是夏天,这是一个温暖的天气。 |
| 1450 | And people had to like take me by the elbows | 人们不得不喜欢 带我到肘边 |
| 1451 | and lead me out to the break. | 带我出去休息 |
| 1452 | And I was on my board like less than 30 seconds | 我在我的板子上 不到30秒 |
| 1453 | and a wave came. | 和波浪来了。 |
| 1454 | I think I took literally all the energy I had in the world | 我想我把世界上所有的能量都拿走了 |
| 1455 | and popped my feet. | 踩到了脚 |
| 1456 | And I had no intention. | 我无意冒犯 |
| 1457 | Like when we went surfing, I was like, | 就像我们冲浪时,我说, |
| 1458 | I'm gonna sit out in the sun for an hour | 我要坐在太阳下一个小时 |
| 1459 | and then we're gonna go home. | 然后我们回家 |
| 1460 | I'm not gonna surf. | 我不会冲浪的 |
| 1461 | That would be insane and impossible. | 这太疯狂了,不可能 |
| 1462 | And I popped up into a dimension | 我突然变成了一个维度 |
| 1463 | I didn't even know existed. | 我什至不知道存在。 |
| 1464 | I time slowed to an absolute crawl. | 我的时间慢到了绝对的爬行。 |
| 1465 | And I've been flow states before, | 我曾经是流动状态, |
| 1466 | but not a full blown macro flow state. | 但不是完全吹动的宏观流动状态。 |
| 1467 | I started to have an out of body experience | 我开始有 体外的经验 |
| 1468 | and a bunch of other really crazy things happened. | 发生了很多其他疯狂的事 |
| 1469 | And it felt, it was amazing. | 感觉很棒 |
| 1470 | Cause the best part about it is like my head was clear. | 因为最好的部分是 就像我的头是清晰的。 |
| 1471 | I could surf, the pain was gone. | 我可以冲浪,疼痛已经消失。 |
| 1472 | And it was amazing. | 这是惊人的。 |
| 1473 | I caught four more waves that day and I was done. | 那天我又碰到了四波波 我完了 |
| 1474 | And they drove me home and they put me into bed. | 他们开车送我回家,把我哄上床 |
| 1475 | And I didn't move for 14 days. | 我14天没动了 |
| 1476 | People had to bring me food | 人们不得不给我带来食物 |
| 1477 | cause I couldn't even get to my kitchen. | 因为我连厨房都进不去 |
| 1478 | I was so destroyed from it. | 我被它毁了 |
| 1479 | And on the 15th day I could walk again. | 15日,我还能再走路 |
| 1480 | I had a neighbor who was a pro surfer, a former pro surfer. | 我有一个邻居 谁是一个职业冲浪家, 一个前职业冲浪家。 |
| 1481 | And I didn't even know him. | 我甚至不认识他 |
| 1482 | And I just like knocked on his door and I said, | 我只是喜欢敲他的门 我说, |
| 1483 | hey, can you drive me to the beach? | 嘿,你能载我去海滩吗? |
| 1484 | And I went surfing again. | 我又冲浪了 |
| 1485 | And over the course of like six months, | 半年来 |
| 1486 | I went from about 10% functional to about 80% functional. | 我从10%的功能到80%的功能 |
| 1487 | And the only thing I was doing was surfing | 我唯一要做的就是冲浪 |
| 1488 | and coming back being destroyed. | 并回来 被摧毁。 |
| 1489 | And slowly over time, I got healthier and healthier. | 慢慢地,我变得更健康了 |
| 1490 | And I was having these wild altered state experiences | 我在经历这些疯狂的改变 |
| 1491 | in the waves. | 在波涛中。 |
| 1492 | And Lyme, as you know, is only fatal | 莱姆,你知道的,只是致命的 |
| 1493 | if it gets into your brain. | 如果它进入你的大脑。 |
| 1494 | And I'm a hardcore science guy, I'm a rational materialist. | 我是一个坚定的科学家, 我是一个理性的唯物主义者。 |
| 1495 | I'm having basic quasi spiritual experiences in the waves. | 我在波浪中有着基本的准精神经历. |
| 1496 | And I think, okay, I might be feeling better, | 我想,好吧, 我可能会感觉更好, |
| 1497 | but it's gotta be an illusion. | 但它必须是幻觉。 |
| 1498 | The disease is in my brain and I'm clearly dying. | 病在我脑中,我显然快死了。 |
| 1499 | So I lit out on a giant quest | 所以我点燃了巨大的追求 |
| 1500 | to figure out what the hell happened to me. | 找出我到底发生了什么 |
| 1501 | And I had seen flow sort of work earlier in my career | 我职业生涯早些时候见过一些流派工作 |
| 1502 | with athletes and getting them sort of from zero | 和运动员一起从零开始 |
| 1503 | to superhero, but I didn't exactly know it was flow. | 给超级英雄, 但我并不知道它是流动。 |
| 1504 | We didn't quite know what was going on. | 我们不知道发生了什么 |
| 1505 | It was hard to tell what was flow, | 很难分辨什么是流动, |
| 1506 | what was a quote unquote spiritual experiences. | 是什么引言 未经引用的精神经历。 |
| 1507 | The literature was very confusing. | 文献非常混乱. |
| 1508 | The science wasn't there yet. | 科学还不存在。 |
| 1509 | The neurobiology wasn't done yet. | 神经生物学还没有完成 |
| 1510 | So it was really hard to figure that out, | 所以,这真的很难 弄清楚, |
| 1511 | but I quickly figured out that these states have a name. | 但我很快发现这些州有个名字 |
| 1512 | And from a neuroimmunology perspective, | 从神经免疫学的角度 |
| 1513 | Herb Benson, 在哈佛大学时, | |
| 1514 | he's the cardiologist who's famous | 他是著名的心脏病学家 |
| 1515 | for the relaxation response. | 放松反应 |
| 1516 | He actually mapped the original neurochemistry, | 他实际上绘制了最初的神经化学, |
| 1517 | the flow cycle. | 流动循环。 |
| 1518 | Flow is a four-stage cycle. | 流是四阶段循环. |
| 1519 | It's not a light switch experience. | 这不是轻开关体验. |
| 1520 | And he mapped it and he looked at healing. | 他绘制了地图,看着治愈。 |
| 1521 | And he has said in his book, The Breakout Principle, | 他在书中说"突破原则" |
| 1522 | that he thinks flow is responsible for most cases | 他认为流动是大部分案件的责任 |
| 1523 | of spontaneous healing. | 自发的治疗。 |
| 1524 | And I think, by the way, that's a massive overstatement, | 我认为,顺便说一句, 这是一个巨大的多报, |
| 1525 | but not for an autoimmune condition. | 但不是因为一个自体免疫状况。 |
| 1526 | And here's why. | 且道个甚么. |
| 1527 | As we transition into a flow state, | 当我们向流动状态过渡时, |
| 1528 | there's a global release of nitric oxide, right? | 氮氧化物在全球释放,对吧? |
| 1529 | It's a gaseous signaling molecule. | 是一种气体信号分子. |
| 1530 | You go to the gym and when your lungs open up | 你去健身房,当你的肺打开 |
| 1531 | after about 20 minutes, it gets quiet upstairs, | 20分钟后,楼上就安静了 |
| 1532 | that's nitric oxide. | 这是一氧化氮。 |
| 1533 | And it pushes stress hormones out of your system. | 它把压力激素推出你的系统。 |
| 1534 | In flow, when you transition into flow, | 在流动中,当你向流动过渡时, |
| 1535 | it's a huge nitric oxide release. | 这是巨大的一氧化氮释放。 |
| 1536 | So the stress hormones are getting stuck in your system | 压力荷尔蒙会卡在你体内 |
| 1537 | and they're replaced by performance-enhancing, | 它们被提高性能所取代 |
| 1538 | feel-good neurochemistry. | 感觉不错的神经化学。 |
| 1539 | The biggest problem over time with an autoimmune condition | 长期以来最大的问题 自动免疫条件 |
| 1540 | is you no longer know where homeostasis is. | 你不再知道何为家常便饭 |
| 1541 | Your body can't find baseline | 你的身体找不到基线 |
| 1542 | because it's always bouncing. | 因为它总是发光。 |
| 1543 | So a lot of that is because your nervous system | 大部分是因为你的神经系统 |
| 1544 | doesn't know where's normal. | 不晓得哪里是正常的。 |
| 1545 | So by moving into flow and just having the stress hormones | 所以,通过移动到流动 和只是有压力激素 |
| 1546 | pushed out of your system, | 被赶出你的系统, |
| 1547 | resets the nervous system to baseline. | 神经系统恢复到基线 |
| 1548 | So the system can sort of, the prediction-engine brain | 因此系统可以排序,预测-引擎大脑 |
| 1549 | can start making more accurate predictions again. | 可以重新开始做出更准确的预测。 |
| 1550 | It brings back agency. | 它带回了机构。 |
| 1551 | It does a whole lot of stuff psychologically | 它在心理上做了很多事情 |
| 1552 | and emotionally and physically. | 情感上和身体上都一样 |
| 1553 | And the neurochemistry of flow, | 和流动的神经化学, |
| 1554 | you get dopamine, norepinephrine, serotonin, and andamide. | 你得到多巴胺,诺雷松素,血清素,和酰胺。 |
| 1555 | All those things boost the immune system. | 所有这些东西都促进了免疫系统。 |
| 1556 | They don't just sort of reset the nervous system | 他们不只是重置神经系统 |
| 1557 | and feel good, they're immune system boosters. | 感觉很好,他们是免疫系统助推器。 |
| 1558 | This is why flow can often be really healing | 这就是为什么流动 往往可以真正治愈 |
| 1559 | especially from autoimmune conditions. | 特别是自体免疫条件 |
| 1560 | And this is now much more well-established | 而现在这更是根深蒂固 |
| 1561 | back in the 90s, especially from autoimmune conditions. | 90年代,特别是自体免疫条件。 |
| 1562 | you know, the mind-body connection was still suspicious, | 你知道,心灵和身体的关联 还是可疑的, |
| 1563 | right, back in the 90s. | 对,90年代的时候 |
| 1564 | Ellen Langer还没有在哈佛工作 | |
| 1565 | and all this stuff that sort of, like, smoothed that over | 和所有这些东西 之类的, 平滑下来了 |
| 1566 | hadn't happened yet. | 还没有发生。 |
| 1567 | How long did it take you to feel normal again? | 多久你又感觉正常了? |
| 1568 | I was sick for three years. | 我病了3年了,我已经病了3年了 |
| 1569 | The surfing to, like, 80% functionality, | 冲浪到80%的功能 |
| 1570 | which is what got me to, was about a year, | 这让我想到了一年左右 |
| 1571 | and then it took six more years | 然后又花了六年时间 |
| 1572 | till I was sort of back till normal. | 直到我回到正常状态 |
| 1573 | I lost, like, 30 or 40 pounds. | 我输了,大概三四十磅 |
| 1574 | I was 170 pounds when I started, | 我开始的时候有170磅 |
| 1575 | and I was 129 pounds when I finished with Lyme disease. | 当我完成莱姆病时,我只有129磅 |
| 1576 | I still can't get my weight above 160. | 我仍然不能得到我的体重超过160。 |
| 1577 | Like, there's, like, I can't get, I can't get back. | 喜欢,有一样,我不能得到,我不能回来。 |
| 1578 | I lost about an inch of height, too. | 我失去了大约一英寸高,太。 |
| 1579 | And then I was done. | 然后我就结束了。 |
| 1580 | I was shorter. | 我当时矮了 |
| 1581 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 1582 | And I was lighter. | 我比较轻。 |
| 1583 | I thought I had a bad case of Lyme, but that takes... | 我以为我有一个坏莱姆的案子,但这需要... |
| 1584 | What happened to you? | 发生了什么事? |
| 1585 | I just woke up one morning and started drinking coffee, | 有一天早上我醒来 开始喝咖啡 |
| 1586 | and the left side of my face was completely paralyzed. | 我的脸的左边完全瘫痪了 |
| 1587 | And that was the start. | 这就是开始。 |
| 1588 | And I had no idea, so I, like, called my mom, | 我不知道, 所以我,喜欢,打电话给我妈妈, |
| 1589 | and I was like, can you come watch the kids? | 我当时想,你能来看孩子们吗? |
| 1590 | I got to go to the hospital. | 我得去医院 |
| 1591 | And I show up at my doctor's office, | 我出现在我的医生的办公室, |
| 1592 | and they're like, oh, my God, | 他们就像,哦,我的上帝, |
| 1593 | we think you're having a heart attack. | 我们认为你心脏病发作。 |
| 1594 | So they brought me in, saw the doctor. | 所以他们把我带进来 看了医生 |
| 1595 | She's like, yeah, I think you're having a heart attack. | 她喜欢,是的, 我想你有心脏病发作。 |
| 1596 | And I'm like, well, rationally speaking, | 而我喜欢,嗯,理性地说, |
| 1597 | that doesn't make a ton of sense, right? | 这不合理,对不对? |
| 1598 | Like, healthy, no hit family history. | 像,健康,没有打击家庭历史。 |
| 1599 | Out of all the things, like, what else could it be? | 从所有的事情, 像,它还能是什么? |
| 1600 | And, you know, she's like, you need to get to a merge, | 而且,你知道,她喜欢, 你需要得到一个合并, |
| 1601 | like, right now. | 就像现在 |
| 1602 | And I show up at a merge, they're like, yeah, | 我出现在一个合并, 他们喜欢,是的, |
| 1603 | you know, I have a heart attack. | 你知道,我有心脏病发作。 |
| 1604 | And then, you know, six hours later, | 然后,你知道,六小时后, |
| 1605 | because this is Canada, I see a doctor, | 因为这里是加拿大 我看过医生 |
| 1606 | and they give me all these tests. | 他们给了我所有这些测试。 |
| 1607 | And I was like, oh, you know, I was talking to, um, | 我当时想,哦,你知道的, 我说话,嗯, |
| 1608 | some neurologists while I was waiting. | 我等的时候有些神经科医生 |
| 1609 | And he's like, oh, you were playing Dr. Google for a year. | 他就像,哦,你扮演谷歌博士一年。 |
| 1610 | And I was like, well, they said that, you know, | 我就像,嗯, 他们说,你知道, |
| 1611 | in a healthy, you know, male at my age, | 在健康,你知道, 男性在我的年龄, |
| 1612 | um, test for these four things. | 嗯,测试这四件事。 |
| 1613 | And that will probably cover 80% of what would cause it. | 这大概能涵盖80%的 原因。 |
| 1614 | And he's like, here's some prognos, I don't go home. | 他就像,这里有一些预言, 我不回家。 |
| 1615 | Uh, if your family doctor thinks you need it, | 如果你的家庭医生认为你需要它 |
| 1616 | she can order the tests. | 她可以命令测试。 |
| 1617 | And over the next two weeks, I started to gradually lose | 在接下来的两周里 我开始逐渐输掉 |
| 1618 | almost all, um, functionality. | 几乎所有,嗯,功能。 |
| 1619 | Like, I couldn't stand still at one point. | 喜欢,我不能 站在一个时刻。 |
| 1620 | Like, if I stood still for more than three seconds, | 喜欢,如果我站 超过三秒钟, |
| 1621 | the back of my knees felt like somebody had stabbed them. | 我的膝盖后部感觉像是有人刺伤了它们 |
| 1622 | I'd be lying on the floor crying, uh, and then, you know, | 我会躺在地板上哭 然后 你知道 |
| 1623 | after that, my, I had loctah. | 在那之后,我的,我有loctah。 |
| 1624 | I couldn't open my mouth. | 我无法开口 |
| 1625 | And so, like, my whole body was just shutting down. | 所以,就像,我的整个身体 只是关闭。 |
| 1626 | But luckily, a friend saved me, was like, | 但幸运的是,一个朋友救了我,就像, |
| 1627 | I told her about it, and she's like, this feels like lime. | 我告诉她的,她喜欢, 这感觉像石灰。 |
| 1628 | She wrote me a prescription for doxycycline. | 她给我写了一张脱氧氯的处方 |
| 1629 | And within three days, I, like, I just started | 在三天之内,我,喜欢,我刚刚开始 |
| 1630 | feeling improvement. | 感觉改善。 |
| 1631 | And she gave me the requisition | 她给我请购 |
| 1632 | to get tested for, for lime. | 用来测试,为石灰。 |
| 1633 | And I got tested for it. | 我被测试了 |
| 1634 | It turns out I tested positive. | 结果我检测出阳性 |
| 1635 | My family doctor called me the day after I got my test results. | 我家人的医生在我拿到检测结果的第二天给我打电话 |
| 1636 | Because it takes seven days in Ontario to get a lime test result, | 因为安大略要花七天时间才能得到石灰检测结果 |
| 1637 | which is insane in and of itself. | 这是疯狂的本身。 |
| 1638 | Um, given what it does to your body and how destructive it is, | 嗯,考虑到它对你的身体有什么影响 和它的破坏性, |
| 1639 | and how prevalent it is. | 和它是多么普遍。 |
| 1640 | And so, she calls me, | 所以她给我打电话 |
| 1641 | and she's like, I finally agreed to give you a requisition. | 她喜欢,我终于同意 给你一个申购。 |
| 1642 | You know, because you're just arguing with me. | 因为你只是跟我争论 |
| 1643 | If you go, if you open up, uh, West of Jesus, | 如果你去,如果你打开,呃,耶稣的西部, |
| 1644 | which is the book I wrote where I tell the, | 这是我写的书 在那里我告诉, |
| 1645 | sort of the story we just walked through, um, | 那种故事 我们刚刚走过,嗯, |
| 1646 | I don't really write about much about the lime. | 我不怎么写石灰的事 |
| 1647 | Um, it just sort of kicks off the book, | 嗯,它只是有点踢出书, |
| 1648 | and it's there a little bit. | 和它的一点点。 |
| 1649 | And, um, but there's a paragraph | 还有,嗯,但有一个段落 |
| 1650 | where I list all the diseases they thought I had | 在那里,我列出所有 他们认为我有的疾病 |
| 1651 | before they would test me for lime. | 在他们测试我石灰之前 |
| 1652 | And, um, it's literally a paragraph. | 而且,嗯,这是字面上的一段。 |
| 1653 | Such a simple test. | 这么简单的测试。 |
| 1654 | They refused. | 他们拒绝了。 |
| 1655 | There's first the disease, | 首先是疾病, |
| 1656 | and then there's the medical establishment, | 然后是医疗机构, |
| 1657 | and what it's like to deal with a long-term illness, | 和处理长期疾病的感觉, |
| 1658 | and the medical establishment. | 和医疗机构。 |
| 1659 | You have to advocate for yourself, | 你得为自己辩护 |
| 1660 | and it, it's, I don't know, it was eye-opening for me | 我不知道 对我来说是睁眼 |
| 1661 | in so many ways, but luckily, we're both fully recovered, | 但幸运的是 我们都完全康复了 |
| 1662 | uh, and healthy today. | 嗯,而且健康 今天。 |
| 1663 | So, we're always in these interviews | 所以,我们总是在这些采访中 |
| 1664 | sort of with a similar question or theme, | 有点类似问题或主题 |
| 1665 | but I have two questions for you. | 但我有两个问题要问你 |
| 1666 | When are you most happy? | 你什么时候最开心? |
| 1667 | Uh, when I'm skiing, or when I'm writing. | 呃,当我滑雪, 或者当我写作。 |
| 1668 | And what is success for you? | 什么是你的成功吗? |
| 1669 | It's always been the same thing, right? | 一直都是一样 对吧? |
| 1670 | It's like, I get to, like, put words together, | 就像,我得到了,喜欢, 拼起来的话, |
| 1671 | in a straight line, for a living. | 以直线为生, |
| 1672 | It's the most mad, like, I can't believe people pay me for it, | 这是最疯狂的,像, 我不能相信人们付钱给我, |
| 1673 | and now I get to, like, put words together | 现在,我得到了一样, 拼起来的话 |
| 1674 | in a straight line, often based on the, like, | 在一条直线, 往往基于,喜欢, |
| 1675 | science experiments that me and my friends get to run. | 科学实验,我和我的朋友可以运行。 |
| 1676 | Are you kidding? | 你在开玩笑吗? |
| 1677 | Like, are you crazy? | 你疯了吗? |
| 1678 | I would have done all this shit for free. | 我会免费做这一切狗屎。 |
| 1679 | In fact, I was doing it for free for a very long time, right? | 事实上,我做它免费 非常长时间,对不对? |
| 1680 | So, I think of it that way. | 所以我是这样想的 |
| 1681 | I'm also, I will tell, | 我也,我会告诉, |
| 1682 | I flat out tell you, it's one of the reasons I get along so well | 我完全告诉你,这是我相处得很好的原因之一 |
| 1683 | with the action sport athletes, is I am ferociously competitive. | 与动作运动运动员,是 我激烈的竞争。 |
| 1684 | I don't take it very seriously, but if you came to me, | 我不太认真 但如果你来找我 |
| 1685 | I will flat out tell you, I want to be the greatest writer | 我会告诉你,我想成为伟大的作家 |
| 1686 | in the history of the universe. | 在宇宙历史上。 |
| 1687 | I know that's not a specific title, | 我知道这不是一个具体的标题, |
| 1688 | but I still want that title, right? | 但我还是想要那个头衔 对吧? |
| 1689 | Like, I'm that ferociously competitive. | 喜欢,我是如此激烈的竞争。 |
| 1690 | The coolest thing about flow, right, | 流动最酷的事,没错, |
| 1691 | and performance is that it's emergent. | 表现就是它出现了。 |
| 1692 | You don't really know what you're capable of, | 你真的不知道自己能干些什么 |
| 1693 | because you can only find out inside of flow, | 因为你只能从流动中找出来 |
| 1694 | and you get into a flow state, | 你进入一个流动状态, |
| 1695 | and you push your skills to their edge, | 你把技能推到他们的边缘, |
| 1696 | and then, you know, you get into another, | 然后,你知道,你进入另一个, |
| 1697 | and you push it, and push it, and push it. | 你推它,推它,推它,推它。 |
| 1698 | And so, when I think of what success is, | 所以,当我想到什么是成功, |
| 1699 | it's always, I don't, like, it's not a destination, | 它总是,我不,喜欢,它不是一个目的地, |
| 1700 | it's a way of living, and to me, the way of living is, | 这是一种生活方式,对我来说,生活方式是, |
| 1701 | one, I'm doing things that are, like, core to me, | 一,我做的东西, 像,核心对我来说, |
| 1702 | and dearly authentic, and where I can be very effective | 和非常真实, 和在那里我可以非常有效 |
| 1703 | and useful, I get to keep following my curiosity out, | 和有用的,我得到 继续关注我的好奇心, |
| 1704 | and it doesn't stop. | 它不会停止。 |
| 1705 | That's how I think about it. | 亦复如是念处. |
| 1706 | you | 老师 |
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