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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | Welcome to today's deep dive. | 欢迎来到今天的深度潜水 |
| 0:01 | We are looking at a very surprising environmental award today. | 我们今天正在研究一个非常令人惊讶的环境奖。 |
| 0:05 | The United Nations just gave their cool leader title to someone pretty unexpected. | 联合国刚刚给一个相当出人意料的人 授予了他们很酷的领导人称号。 |
| 0:09 | Unexpected is a good word for it. | 不料是好词 |
| 0:11 | Right. | 对 |
| 0:11 | I mean, it went to Dong Mingzhu. | 我的意思是,它去了东明祖。 |
| 0:13 | She's the chair of Gree Electric Appliances. | 她是Gree电器电器公司的主席. |
| 0:16 | For you listening, they are a massive home appliance maker in China. | 对你来说 他们是中国的大型家用电器制造商 |
| 0:19 | She started there in basic sales. | 她从基础销售开始 |
| 0:21 | Now people call her China's manufacturing iron lady. | 现在人们称她为中国制造铁女. |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Welcome to today's deep dive. | 欢迎来到今天的深度潜水 |
| 2 | We are looking at a very surprising environmental award today. | 我们今天正在研究一个非常令人惊讶的环境奖。 |
| 3 | The United Nations just gave their cool leader title to someone pretty unexpected. | 联合国刚刚给一个相当出人意料的人 授予了他们很酷的领导人称号。 |
| 4 | Unexpected is a good word for it. | 不料是好词 |
| 5 | Right. | 对 |
| 6 | I mean, it went to Dong Mingzhu. | 我的意思是,它去了东明祖。 |
| 7 | She's the chair of Gree Electric Appliances. | 她是Gree电器电器公司的主席. |
| 8 | For you listening, they are a massive home appliance maker in China. | 对你来说 他们是中国的大型家用电器制造商 |
| 9 | She started there in basic sales. | 她从基础销售开始 |
| 10 | Now people call her China's manufacturing iron lady. | 现在人们称她为中国制造铁女. |
| 11 | That's a fascinating story. | 这故事真有趣 |
| 12 | It is. | 没错 |
| 13 | But her new UN title is what really caught my eye. | 但是,她的新联合国头衔 真正吸引了我。 |
| 14 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 15 | Because her company builds air conditioners. | 因为她的公司制造空调 |
| 16 | Those are machines that use massive amounts of energy. | 这些机器使用了大量的能量。 |
| 17 | Tons of energy. | 充满能量 |
| 18 | So how does a company that literally builds machines that heat up our planet | 因此,一个公司 字面上建造机器 热我们星球 |
| 19 | become an environmental leader? | 成为环保领袖? |
| 20 | That's our mission today. | 这就是我们今天的任务 |
| 21 | We're exploring how this giant global company handles extreme climate change, | 我们正在探索这巨型全球公司 如何处理极端的气候变化, |
| 22 | tends global politics, and the rise of smart robots. | 倾向于全球政治,智能机器人的崛起. |
| 23 | And we really have to start with that first point, climate change. | 我们确实必须从第一点,即气候变化开始。 |
| 24 | Dong points out a massive survival threat. | 董指出一个巨大的生存威胁. |
| 25 | The world is getting hotter. | 世界越来越热了 |
| 26 | People absolutely need air conditioners to survive these extreme heat waves. | 人们绝对需要空调才能经受住这些极端的热浪. |
| 27 | Right. | 对 |
| 28 | We saw that recently. | 我们最近见过 |
| 29 | The sources show that during the European heat waves, | 消息来源显示,在欧洲热浪期间, |
| 30 | retail sales of Gree air conditioners jumped 50% in France. | 格里空调的零售额在法国猛增了50%. |
| 31 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 32 | 50%? | 50%吗? |
| 33 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 34 | In just one single year. | 就一年时间 |
| 35 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 36 | But demand is crazy. | 但需求是疯狂的。 |
| 37 | But this creates what we call the cooling paradox. | 但这创造了所谓的冷却悖论。 |
| 38 | Right. | 对 |
| 39 | Because of basic physics. | 因为基础物理. |
| 40 | To cool the indoors, you have to release heat outdoors. | 要冷却室内,必须释放室外热量. |
| 41 | You can't just destroy heat. | 你不能只是破坏热。 |
| 42 | You move it. | 你移动它。 |
| 43 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 44 | Your bedroom gets nice and cold, | 你的卧室变冷了 |
| 45 | but your air conditioner pumps all that hot air into the street. | 但你的空调泵 所有热空气到街上。 |
| 46 | Now imagine millions of these machines running at the same time in one city. | 现在想象一下这些机器有数百万在同一个城市同时运行。 |
| 47 | The whole city just bakes. | 整个城市只是烘焙。 |
| 48 | It's a terrible cycle. | 轮回恐怖. |
| 49 | But Gree is attacking this problem. | 但格里正在攻击这个问题 |
| 50 | First, they looked at the chemicals inside the machines. | 首先,他们查看了机器里面的化学物质。 |
| 51 | Right. | 对 |
| 52 | The older machines use harsh gases. | 较老的机器使用严酷的气体. |
| 53 | And when those leak, they trap heat in the sky for decades. | 当这些泄漏时,它们会把热困在天空数十年。 |
| 54 | So Gree switched to something called R290. | 于是格里转投了一种叫做R290的东西. |
| 55 | Let's explain that simply. | 让我们简单解释一下 |
| 56 | It's basically a special cooling gas that | 基本上是一种特殊的冷却气体 |
| 57 | does much less harm to the earth. | 对地球的伤害要小得多 |
| 58 | Much less. | 少之又少了一点 |
| 59 | It breaks down quickly, so it doesn't trap heat the same way. | 它迅速破裂,所以不会以同样的方式夹住热量. |
| 60 | But, you know, solving the gas problem doesn't solve the power problem. | 但是,你知道,解决天然气问题并不能解决电力问题. |
| 61 | These machines still pull massive amounts of electricity. | 这些机器仍然牵引着大量的电力. |
| 62 | So they invented a totally new energy system. | 他们发明了全新的能源系统。 |
| 63 | They call it solar plus storage. | 他们称之为太阳能加存储。 |
| 64 | Which is pretty brilliant, honestly. | 老实说,这很聪明 |
| 65 | It really is. | 没错 |
| 66 | Normally, solar panels only work when the sun is out. | 通常,太阳能电池板只在太阳出来时才能工作. |
| 67 | But you want cold air at night. | 但你想在晚上冒冷风 |
| 68 | So you usually have to buy dirty coal power from the city after the sun goes down. | 所以你通常必须在太阳下山后从城市购买脏煤电. |
| 69 | But Gree added a built-in battery to the system. | 但格里在系统中增加了内置电池. |
| 70 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 71 | It's like a, well, it's like a sunlight savings account. | 这就像一个,嗯, 它就像一个阳光储蓄账户。 |
| 72 | You deposit extra solar energy during the day, and then you just withdraw it at night. | 你白天会存下额外的太阳能, 然后晚上就把它取出来。 |
| 73 | I like that. | 我喜欢 |
| 74 | A sunlight savings account. | 一个阳光储蓄账户。 |
| 75 | And they are using these systems all over the world now in over 35 countries, actually. | 它们正在全世界使用这些系统, 现在超过35个国家。 |
| 76 | Factories and huge office buildings use them. | 工厂和庞大的办公楼使用它们. |
| 77 | But I want to push back on this a bit. | 但我想把这事推后一点 |
| 78 | Because Dong actually asks a much deeper question. | 因为董真的问了一个更深层次的问题. |
| 79 | She asks if we can ever cool a room without adding any heat to the air outside. | 她问我们能不能冷却一个房间 而不给外面的空气加热 |
| 80 | Without adding heat outside. | 不外加热. |
| 81 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 82 | Is that just a dream? | 只是个梦吗? |
| 83 | Or is that a real science goal? | 还是说这是一个真正的科学目标? |
| 84 | Well, it is the ultimate goal. | 嗯,这是最终目标。 |
| 85 | Right now, physics says it's impossible. | 现在,物理学说这是不可能的。 |
| 86 | But that impossible question is what drives all their research. | 但这个不可能的问题 是什么驱使了他们的研究。 |
| 87 | They want a total breakthrough. | 他们想要彻底突破 |
| 88 | So solving the science is one massive challenge. | 所以解决科学是一个巨大的挑战。 |
| 89 | But selling those green machines across borders brings up a totally different kind of heat. | 但是,卖这些绿色机器 跨越国界 带来了完全不同的热量。 |
| 90 | Oh, definitely. | 当然 |
| 91 | Global politics. | 全球政治. |
| 92 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 93 | Dong has a very strong belief here. | 董有很强的信念 |
| 94 | She says basic consumer goods should never be dragged into political conflicts. | 她说,不应将基本消费品拖入政治冲突。 |
| 95 | Right. | 对 |
| 96 | Because no matter who people are, they just want a better life. | 因为不管是谁 他们只想过更好的生活 |
| 97 | They need good products, like in Europe, right? | 他们需要好的产品,像在欧洲,对不对? |
| 98 | People just need cheap, clean winter heating. | 人们只需要廉价,干净的冬季暖气. |
| 99 | They just want to stay warm. | 他们只想保暖 |
| 100 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 101 | Now, we need to be very clear with you, our listener, right here. | 现在,我们需要非常清楚,你,我们的听众,就在这里。 |
| 102 | The sources mention things like global tariffs. | 来源提到了诸如全球关税之类的东西。 |
| 103 | They also talk about shipping setbacks from the war in the Middle East. | 他们还谈到中东战争的航运挫折。 |
| 104 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 105 | Trade barriers and things like that. | 贸易壁垒之类的 |
| 106 | Right. | 对 |
| 107 | And we are absolutely not taking any sides on those issues. | 我们绝对不会在这些问题上采取任何立场。 |
| 108 | We are just reporting Dong's business reality. | 我们只是在报道董的生意现实 |
| 109 | Wars and tariffs actively hurt global sales. | 战争和关税积极损害全球销售。 |
| 110 | That is just a fact. | 这只是个事实。 |
| 111 | They make shipping a nightmare. | 他们使航运成为噩梦. |
| 112 | But greed keeps its focus strictly on the consumer. | 但贪婪将注意力严格放在消费者身上. |
| 113 | So how does a company actually survive dropping sales in a war zone? | 那么,一个公司在战争地区 如何生存下来? |
| 114 | Well, Dong uses a great medical analogy for this. | 嗯,董用一个伟大的医学类比来做这个。 |
| 115 | She says global trouble is like catching a cold. | 她说全球麻烦就像感冒 |
| 116 | Sometimes everyone catches a cold. | 有时候大家都感冒了 |
| 117 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 118 | You might even end up in the hospital. | 你甚至可能会在医院。 |
| 119 | But the only thing that matters is if you fight to recover. | 但唯一要紧的是你为了恢复而奋斗 |
| 120 | You just have to survive. | 你只需要活下来 |
| 121 | Keep building. | 继续建设. |
| 122 | And that survival mindset changed their whole brand. | 生存的心态改变了他们的整个品牌。 |
| 123 | In the past, Chinese makers did a lot of white labeling. | 过去,中国制造厂商曾做过很多白标. |
| 124 | Oh, yeah. | 对 |
| 125 | White labeling was huge. | 白色标签是巨大的。 |
| 126 | Let's define that really quick. | 让我们来定义 真正的快速。 |
| 127 | It basically means building machines that other famous companies put their own names on. | 这基本上意味着建造机器,其他著名公司都在上面贴上自己的名字. |
| 128 | Right. | 对 |
| 129 | The consumer never knows who actually built it. | 消费者永远不知道是谁造的 |
| 130 | But that leaves you vulnerable. | 但是这让你变得脆弱。 |
| 131 | So greed changed tactics and it worked. | 贪婪改变了策略,结果成功了 |
| 132 | The global market share of Chinese home appliance brands was just 2.9 percent in 2015. | 2015年中国家用电器品牌的全球市场份额仅为2.9%. |
| 133 | Pretty small. | 相当小。 |
| 134 | But by 2025, it jumped to 10.9 percent. | 但到2025年,它跃升到10.9%。 |
| 135 | Today, over 70 percent of greed's exports carry its own brand name. | 今天,超过70%的贪婪出口 都有自己的品牌。 |
| 136 | That is a massive shift. | 这是一个巨大的转变。 |
| 137 | But building your own global brand requires huge scale. | 但建立自己的全球品牌需要巨大的规模. |
| 138 | You have to build fast. | 你必须快速建设。 |
| 139 | Which brings us to the factory floor. | 这让我们来到工厂的地板。 |
| 140 | To build at that scale, they had to change everything. | 要达到这个规模 他们必须改变一切 |
| 141 | They brought in the robots. | 他们带来了机器人。 |
| 142 | Automation, the scary word. | 自动化,可怕的词。 |
| 143 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 144 | It really makes people worry about losing their jobs. | 这真的让人担心失去工作. |
| 145 | The numbers are wild. | 数字是疯狂的。 |
| 146 | A smart factory that used to need 14,000 workers, it might now only need 2,000. | 一个曾经需要14,000名工人的智能工厂 现在可能只需要2,000名工人 |
| 147 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 148 | So 12,000 jobs just vanish. | 所以,12,000个工作就消失了。 |
| 149 | Yes. | 对 |
| 150 | But here is the greed policy. | 但这里是贪婪政策。 |
| 151 | Dong says greed has never laid off a single worker because of automation. | 董说贪婪从未因为自动化而解雇过一个工人. |
| 152 | Wait, really? | 等等,真的吗? |
| 153 | Come on. | 来吧。 |
| 154 | How is that mathematically possible? | 这怎么可能呢? |
| 155 | You can't just cut 12,000 jobs and fire nobody. | 你不能只削减12,000个工作 并解雇任何人。 |
| 156 | I know. | 我知道,我记得 |
| 157 | It sounds like fake PR. | 听起来像假公关 |
| 158 | But they have a specific way they do it. | 但他们有具体的方法 |
| 159 | First, natural leaving. | 第一,自然离开。 |
| 160 | Factory work has high turnover. | 工厂的营业额很高。 |
| 161 | People save money and move back to their hometowns. | 人们存钱搬回家乡. |
| 162 | Oh, I see. | 原来如此 |
| 163 | So when someone leaves, they just don't hire a replacement. | 所以,当有人离开, 他们只是不雇用替代。 |
| 164 | They buy a robot instead. | 他们买的是机器人 |
| 165 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 166 | Second, rival companies love to hire greed workers. | 第二,敌对公司喜欢雇用贪婪的工人。 |
| 167 | One rival actually hired 600 to 700 greed staff in a single year. | 一个竞争对手实际上在一年之内就雇佣了600到700名贪婪的工作人员. |
| 168 | Seriously? | 真的吗? |
| 169 | Just poached them all at once. | 刚刚偷他们全部一次。 |
| 170 | Yep. | 对 |
| 171 | And Dong sees it as proof of their high standards. | 而董氏视之为证明他们的高标准. |
| 172 | But the third part is the most important. | 但是,第三部分是最重要的。 |
| 173 | Upskilling. | 上杀. |
| 174 | Right. | 对 |
| 175 | Teaching them new skills. | 教他们新的技能。 |
| 176 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 177 | Greed opened its own technical school. | 贪婪自办技术学校. |
| 178 | They teach their manual workers how to manage the new machines. | 他们教工人如何管理新机器。 |
| 179 | It's kind of like upgrading a ship. | 这有点像更新船。 |
| 180 | How do you mean? | 你说什么? |
| 181 | Well, imagine a ship with hundreds of people rowing oars. | 想象一下一艘有数百人划桨的船 |
| 182 | Then you install a modern engine. | 然后安装现代引擎. |
| 183 | You stop needing people to row the boat, | 你不再需要人来划船了 |
| 184 | but suddenly you need engineers to run the new engine. | 但突然间你需要工程师来运行新引擎. |
| 185 | That makes perfect sense. | 这很合理 |
| 186 | A factory line might only need 20 people now instead of hundreds, | 工厂线路现在只需要20人 而不是几百人 |
| 187 | but those 20 people have to be data experts. | 但是这20个人 必须是数据专家。 |
| 188 | They have to fix the robots when they break. | 机器人破损时必须修补. |
| 189 | Right. | 对 |
| 190 | It goes from a muscle job to a brain job. | 从肌肉工作到大脑工作 |
| 191 | And smarter factories don't just make more products. | 而更聪明的工厂不只是制造更多的产品. |
| 192 | They make much smarter products. | 他们制造出更聪明的产品 |
| 193 | Oh, absolutely. | 当然 |
| 194 | They bring artificial intelligence right into our living rooms. | 他们把人工智能带进我们的客厅 |
| 195 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 196 | Greed makes fully connected systems down. | 贪婪使系统完全连接 |
| 197 | Your fridge can literally tell your phone if your food is getting too old. | 你的冰箱可以告诉你的电话 如果你的食物太老了。 |
| 198 | That's incredible. | 不可思议. |
| 199 | Everything talks to everything else. | 一切众生与一切众生. |
| 200 | And they are growing in industrial parts too, like silicon carbide devices. | 它们也生长在工业部分, 如碳化硅装置。 |
| 201 | The sources say sales for these jumped 200%. | 消息说这些的销售额激增了200%。 |
| 202 | We should probably explain what those are. | 我们也许应该解释这些是什么。 |
| 203 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 204 | Let's keep it simple. | 让我们保持简单的。 |
| 205 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 206 | Silicon carbide devices are just special electronic parts | 碳化硅装置只是特殊的电子部件 |
| 207 | that handle high power safely. | 安全处理高功率 |
| 208 | You need them for green energy. | 你需要绿色能量 |
| 209 | Right. | 对 |
| 210 | Like for big electric car chargers or solar grids, they handle extreme heat. | 就像大电动汽车充电器或太阳能网,它们处理极端热量. |
| 211 | So they are building all this amazing smart tech. | 他们正在建造这些惊人的智能技术。 |
| 212 | But Dong actually has a huge warning about AI. | 但董其实对AI有一个很大的警告. |
| 213 | She's really worried about it. | 她真的很担心 |
| 214 | Really? | 真的吗? |
| 215 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 216 | A tech leader afraid of AI. | 一个技术领袖害怕AI. |
| 217 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 218 | She notes that we used to remember hundreds of phone numbers in our heads. | 她注意到,我们曾经记得我们头上有数百个电话号码。 |
| 219 | And now? | 现在呢? |
| 220 | Now we forget our own numbers. | 现在我们忘记了自己的数字。 |
| 221 | That is so true. | 没错 |
| 222 | I don't know anyone's number anymore. | 我不知道任何人的号码了。 |
| 223 | Right. | 对 |
| 224 | So she asks, if AI does all our writing and all our thinking for us, | 所以她问,如果AI做 我们所有的写作和我们的所有想法, |
| 225 | what is left for humans to do? | 人类还能做什么? |
| 226 | Just eating and drinking? | 吃饭喝酒? |
| 227 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 228 | That's a dark thought. | 这是一个黑暗的想法。 |
| 229 | If the machines think for us, we just become useless. | 如果机器为我们着想 我们就会变得毫无用处 |
| 230 | That's a deep fear. | 甚深忧惧. |
| 231 | And it ties into her whole Iron Lady philosophy. | 这与她整个铁娘子哲学有关 |
| 232 | She doesn't care about stock market hype at all. | 她根本不在乎股票市场炒作 |
| 233 | Not at all. | 一点也不 |
| 234 | Some companies just brag about their high stock prices all day. | 有些公司整天都在吹嘘自己的高股价。 |
| 235 | But GRI focuses on real value. | 但GRI专注于真正的价值. |
| 236 | Get this. | 拿着这个 |
| 237 | They only raised 5 billion yuan for the market. | 他们只为市场筹集了50亿人民币. |
| 238 | But they paid out 160 billion yuan in cash rewards to their investors. | 但他们向投资者支付了1600亿人民币的现金奖励. |
| 239 | Dividends. | 分红 |
| 240 | That's real money, not just internet hype. | 这是真正的钱, 不只是网络杂音。 |
| 241 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 242 | She believes integrity is much more important than ability. | 她认为正直比能力重要得多. |
| 243 | But wait, let's look at this contradiction. | 但是,等等,让我们来看看这个矛盾。 |
| 244 | She is this tough Iron Lady, right? | 她是一个坚强的铁娘子,对不对? |
| 245 | But she talks constantly about soil and seeds and putting honesty above raw talent. | 但她不断谈论土壤和种子 并把诚实置于原始人才之上 |
| 246 | How do those fit together? | 这些怎么搭配? |
| 247 | It's actually a great analogy. | 这实际上是一个伟大的类比。 |
| 248 | She compares the company to soil and the employee is the seed. | 她把公司比作土壤 员工就是种子 |
| 249 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 250 | So the culture is the soil. | 故文化为土. |
| 251 | Right. | 对 |
| 252 | So you might have a brilliant, highly talented seed, a genius coder or engineer. | 所以,你可能有一个辉煌,非常有天赋的种子, 一个天才的编码师或工程师。 |
| 253 | But if they don't have basic honesty, they are a bad seed. | 但是如果他们没有基本的诚实, 他们是不好的种子。 |
| 254 | And a bad seed ruins the soil around it. | 和坏种子破坏 周围的土壤。 |
| 255 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 256 | She says rules matter, but good people matter more. | 她说规矩很重要 但好人更重要 |
| 257 | You can teach a good person how to fix a robot. | 你可以教一个好人如何修复机器人. |
| 258 | You can't teach a genius how to have integrity. | 你不能教天才如何保持正直 |
| 259 | That is such a powerful way to look at business. | 这是看商业的有力方法。 |
| 260 | Well, let's quickly recap our journey today. | 好吧,让我们快速回顾我们今天的旅程。 |
| 261 | We started with sun-powered air conditioners and the cooling paradox. | 我们从太阳能空调和冷却悖论开始。 |
| 262 | Then we looked at neutral global trade, | 然后我们审视了中立的全球贸易, |
| 263 | how they built an independent brand to survive politics. | 他们如何建立一个独立的品牌 以生存政治。 |
| 264 | Right. | 对 |
| 265 | And then we saw those smart factories, | 然后我们看到那些聪明的工厂, |
| 266 | cutting manual jobs without mass layoffs, just by training workers for better roles. | 通过对工人进行培训,使其发挥更好的作用,从而在不大规模裁员的情况下减少手工工作。 |
| 267 | Upgrading the ship. | 升级舰只. |
| 268 | And moving into connected homes and smart energy grids. | 并搬入连接的家园和智能能源网. |
| 269 | It's a huge transformation. | 这是一个巨大的转变。 |
| 270 | But I want to leave you, the listener, with a final thought to explore on your own today. | 但我想离开你,听者, 与一个最后的想法 探索你今天。 |
| 271 | Let's hear it. | 颂曰. |
| 272 | Dong says ability without integrity is dangerous. | 董说没有正直的能力是危险的. |
| 273 | And she worries about AI doing our thinking for us. | 她担心AI帮我们思考 |
| 274 | It's a real worry. | 这是一个真正的担心。 |
| 275 | So as we build these smart machines, they have incredible ability, | 因此,当我们建造这些智能机器时, 它们有惊人的能力, |
| 276 | but they have no human integrity. | 但他们没有人格完整 |
| 277 | They don't know right from wrong. | 他们不知道对与错。 |
| 278 | So how do we ensure our future technology actually shares our values? | 那么我们如何确保我们未来的技术 真正分享我们的价值观? |
| 279 | That is something we all need to think about. | 这是我们都需要考虑的问题。 |
| 280 | Truly. | 痷 |
| 281 | Thank you for joining us on this deep dive. | 谢谢你加入我们的深潜行动 |
| 282 | We'll see you next time. | 下次见 |
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