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中国学生正在变少:人口下滑如何重写整个学校体系|附文稿

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0:00Welcome to today's Deep Dive, everyone.欢迎来到今天的深度潜水,各位
0:02I am really glad you are here with us today.我很高兴你今天和我们在一起。
0:04Yeah, thanks for having me.是的 谢谢你邀请我
0:05It's a really interesting topic today.今天这个话题很有趣
0:08It really is.没错
0:09So I want you to imagine walking into a high school today.所以我希望你能想象今天走进一所高中
0:12Okay.摆
0:12The hallways are packed.走廊已经打包好了
0:14You can barely move.你几乎不能移动。
0:15Every single classroom is completely full of students.每间教室里都有学生
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1Welcome to today's Deep Dive, everyone.欢迎来到今天的深度潜水,各位
2I am really glad you are here with us today.我很高兴你今天和我们在一起。
3Yeah, thanks for having me.是的 谢谢你邀请我
4It's a really interesting topic today.今天这个话题很有趣
5It really is.没错
6So I want you to imagine walking into a high school today.所以我希望你能想象今天走进一所高中
7Okay.摆
8The hallways are packed.走廊已经打包好了
9You can barely move.你几乎不能移动。
10Every single classroom is completely full of students.每间教室里都有学生
11Right, just totally crowded.是的,只是完全拥挤。
12Yeah, loud, busy, and just bursting with teenagers.是啊,大声,忙碌, 和只是爆发与青少年。
13But then you walk down the street to a kindergarten.但你走在街上 到幼儿园。
14A totally different picture.一个完全不同的照片。
15Exactly.没错
16You open the door, and it is completely quiet.你打开门,它完全安静。
17Whole rooms are just empty.整个房间都是空的
18They're hardly他们几乎没有
19any young children anywhere.任何地方的幼儿。
20It is a strange double picture.这是一个奇怪的双面图片。
21It really is.没错
22And this exact situation is happening in China right now.而这种确切的情况正在中国发生.
23The country is completely changing its school system.我国正在彻底改变学校制度。
24Yeah, a massive, massive change.是啊,一个巨大的,巨大的变化。
25And the crazy part is, it is not because of some new teaching style.疯狂的部分是, 这不是因为一些新的教学风格。
26It is because the actual number of students is just disappearing.这是因为实际学生人数正在消失。
27Okay, let's unpack this.好吧,让我们打开这个。
28So we are looking at a really fascinating article today.我们今天正在看一篇非常迷人的文章。
29It's from the South China Morning Post.南华早报网.
30This is from November 2026.这是从2026年11月。
31And this article shows a school system that is forced to rebuild itself right now.这篇文章显示了一个学校系统 现在被迫重建自己。
32Yeah.对
33Even the physical reality of these schools is just wild.这些学校的物理现实也太疯狂了
34Right.对
35Let's start there.从那里开始
36The total population in China has been dropping since 2022.中国总人口自2022年起不断下降.
37Yes.对
38But high schools and universities are totally full.但高中和大学是完全满的。
39It feels like a traffic jam on a highway.感觉就像高速公路上的交通堵塞
40That is a great way to think about it.这是一个很好的思考方法。
41You know, a huge group of older kids is moving through the upper grades.你知道,一大群的年长的孩子 正在通过高年级。
42They are the cars packed together.他们都是一起收拾的车
43But the road behind them is completely empty.但他们身后的路是完全空的。
44Because fewer babies are being born.因为出生的婴儿较少.
45The government actually calls this a dual challenge.政府实际上称之为双重挑战.
46A dual challenge, meaning a double problem.双重挑战,意味着双重问题.
47Exactly.没错
48You have this huge crush of students at the top.你最上层有一大堆学生
49It stresses the high schools.它强调高中。
50But at the same time, you have all these empty desks at the bottom.但与此同时,你底部有所有这些空桌子。
51It is just so strange, the picture.这照片太奇怪了
52It is.没错
53But we can see exactly why this is happening if we look at the birth records.但是,如果我们看看出生记录,我们就能明白为什么会发生这种情况。
54Yeah.对
55The numbers in this article are just wild.这篇文章中的数字只是野性的。
56What was the normal number before this wave started?这波开始前的正常数字是多少?
57So from the early 2000s to the mid 2010s, births were really steady.所以从2000年代初到2010年代中期, 分娩确实稳定。
58Okay.摆
59The country had about 15 to 16.5 million babies born every single year.该国每年有大约1 500万至1 650万婴儿出生。
60Wow.珃
61So 15 million babies a year.所以每年有1500万个婴儿
62That is a huge baseline.这是一个巨大的基线。
63Yeah, it is.是的,这是。
64It means millions of kids entering the school system year after year.这意味着数百万儿童年复一年地进入学校系统。
65Right.对
66And the whole system.还有整个系统
67I mean, the buildings, the teachers, the money.我的意思是,建筑,教师,钱。
68All of it was built for that specific size.都是为了这个特制的
69Exactly.没错
70And the number actually went up for a very short time.这个数字实际上上升了很短的时间。
71Oh, right.对
72The policy change.政策改变。
73Yeah.对
74In 2016, there was a short jump in births.2016年,出生人口短暂跳跃.
75The government started a national two-child policy.政府开始实施国家两孩政策.
76So families could legally have a second child then.这样家庭就可以有第二个孩子了
77Right.对
78And a lot of families did.很多家庭都这样
79So that creates a huge bulge in the system.这在系统中造成了巨大的膨胀。
80Like a giant wave.犹如巨浪.
81Yes.对
82But that growth, it did not last at all.但这种增长并没有持久。
83No.没有
84The data shows a very steep fall right after that short jump.数据显示,在那次短暂的跳跃之后,坠落非常陡峭。
85The numbers just crashed.号码刚刚坠毁。
86How low did they go?他们有多低?
87By 2025, births dropped to 7.92 million.到2025年,出生人口下降到792万.
88Wait.单单
89From over 15 million down to under 8 million?从一千五百万到不到八百万?
90Yeah.对
91That is a total shock to the system.这是对系统的完全震惊。
92I mean, births fell by more than half in just 10 years.我的意思是,出生 在短短10年里下降了一半以上。
93It is crazy.这是疯了。
94Just to give you some history, 7.92 million is the lowest number of births since 1949.只是给你一些历史,792万是1949年以来出生人数最少的.
95Since 1949.1949年起废.
96That completely changes a society.这完全改变了一个社会。
97It really does.确实
98But the system still has to deal with the older kids, right?但是这个系统还是要对付那些年长的孩子,对吧?
99The ones born before the drop.降前所生者.
100Exactly.没错
101They are hitting high school right now.他们正在打高中
102And they need desks.他们需要办公桌
103They need books.他们需要书籍。
104They need teachers.他们需要老师
105How does a country just, you know, quickly make space for millions of extra teenagers?一个国家如何,你知道, 迅速为数百万额外的青少年创造空间?
106Well, they actually have a specific plan for this crisis.实际上,他们有一个具体的危机计划。
107It is part of their national plan这是其国家计划的一部分
108for the years 2026 to 2030.2026年到2030年的情况。
109Right.对
110The 15th five-year plan.十五五计划.
111Yes.对
112And in this plan, the leaders admit something important.在这个计划中,领导人承认了一些重要的事情.
113They know the stress on high schools will get much worse before it gets better.他们知道高中的压力会在改善之前就更严重。
114Because the biggest part of that wave, it hasn't reached the end of the road yet.因为那波最大的部分,还没有到达路的尽头.
115Right.对
116It is still moving through the schools.它仍在学校里活动。
117What's fascinating here is how exactly they map this out.这里最令人着迷的是 他们是如何规划出来的
118How do they map it?他们怎么绘制地图?
119The government tracks the ages of all these kids.政府跟踪所有这些孩子的年龄。
120They know high school entry numbers won't reach their highest point until 2029.他们知道高中入学人数到2029年才达到最高点.
121Wow.珃
122So high schools will just keep getting more and more crowded for the next few years.因此,高中只会在接下来的几年里越来越拥挤.
123Yeah.对
124It is going to be very tight.它会很紧。
125What about colleges?大学呢?
126Do they get hit next?他们下一个被击中?
127They do.没错
128The pressure on universities is delayed.对大学的压力推迟了。
129That big wave will reach its peak for colleges three years later in 2032.这场大浪潮将在3年后的2032年达到大学的高峰.
130Oh, man.哦,伙计。
131Parents must feel so much pressure right now.父母现在一定觉得压力很大
132They really do.他们真的有。
133The article talks about how much they worry.文章讲述了他们有多担心.
134They expect their kids to get into good schools.他们期望他们的孩子能进入好的学校.
135If the system is already packed, that competition just becomes brutal.如果这个系统已经装满了 竞争就会变得残酷
136Absolutely brutal.绝对残忍。
137So what is the government doing right now?政府现在在做什么?
138What is the immediate action plan?立即的行动计划是什么?
139Well, they are rushing to build more space.嗯,他们急于 建造更多的空间。
140First, they are building brand new high schools.首先,他们正在建设全新的高中。
141Okay.摆
142Second, they are fixing up old unused buildings to make more room.第二,他们正在修复旧的未使用的建筑物,以腾出更多的空间。
143Right.对
144And third, they are adding more spots at top universities.第三,他们在顶尖大学增加了更多的点子。
145Now, I have to question this a bit.现在,我不得不质疑这一点。
146Okay.摆
147Go ahead.来吧。
148Building a new high school or a new university lab, that costs millions of dollars.新建高中或新建大学实验室,耗资数百万元.
149Yes.对
150This is very expensive.这是非常昂贵的。
151And it takes years to build.并须数年造.
152But we just talked about the empty road behind this wave.但我们刚刚谈了这波背后的空路.
153Right.对
154The birth rate drop.出生率下降。
155Yeah.对
156In 10 years, these big groups of students will graduate.十年后,这些大群学生将毕业.
157And then those expensive new high schools will be empty.然后那些昂贵的新高中就空了
158Exactly.没错
159So who pays for all this extra space at the top level?那么,谁支付所有这些额外的空间 在顶层?
160Why pour permanent concrete for a temporary wave?为什么要为临时的波浪倒永久性混凝土?
161Because they simply have no other choice.因为他们根本别无选择。
162The government calls this an inevitable practical choice.政府称这是不可避免的实际选择.
163Meaning they just have to do it.就是说他们必须这么做
164Right.对
165You cannot just tell millions of teenagers that there is no room for them to learn.你不能仅仅告诉数百万青少年,他们没有学习的余地。
166That makes sense.这有道理。
167You have to educate the kids sitting right in front of you.你必须教育坐在你面前的孩子
168Yes.对
169But you are completely right about the cost.但你完全正确 关于成本。
170The government is paying for a lot of this, but public money is not enough.政府为此付出了很多代价,但公共资金是不够的.
171So where's the risk of the money coming from?钱从哪里冒出来的风险?
172This is where we see a huge, huge shift.我们在这里看到了一个巨大的转变。
173Private money is stepping in.私人的钱正在介入。
174Private money?私人钱?
175Yes.对
176Specifically, very rich private citizens are giving huge amounts of money to build new schools.具体来说,非常富有的私人公民为建造新学校提供了巨额资金.
177Wait.单单
178We are talking about billionaires here.我们说的是亿万富翁
179Private billionaires are suddenly funding universities.私人亿万富翁突然资助大学.
180Yes, they are.是的,他们是。
181That feels like a massive change.这感觉就像一个巨大的变化。
182Usually big public universities handle these huge student numbers.通常大型公立大学处理这些巨大的学生人数.
183It is a massive trend right now.这是一个巨大的趋势 现在。
184These private billionaires are donating incredible amounts of cash.这些私人亿万富翁正在捐出不可思议的现金.
185Okay.摆
186But they are not just building regular everyday schools.但他们不仅仅是在建造普通的日常学校。
187Look at Kiantong University in the city of Hangzhou.望杭州市金东大学.
188Kiantong University?基安东大学?
189Yeah.对
190The article mentions this place.文章提到了这个地方。
191Yeah.对
192A billionaire named Zhang Shanshan is paying for it.亿万富翁名张山山付 for.
193He is the founder of Nongfu Spring, right?他是农福泉的创始人,对吧?
194Yes, exactly.没错
195A massive bottle water company.一个巨大的瓶子水公司。
196It is just wild that a water tycoon is building a university.水大亨正在建设一所大学,这太疯狂了。
197I know.我知道,我记得
198How much is he actually spending on this project?他在这个项目上到底花了多少钱?
199He pledged 40 billion yuan.他承诺了400亿人民币。
200That is over 10 years.这已经超过10年了。
20140 billion yuan?400亿人民币?
202What is that in dollars?那是什么钱?
203It is about six billion US dollars.大约60亿美元。
204Six billion dollars for one single school?单校60亿?
205Just one school.只有一个学校
206Wow.珃
207That buys a whole lot of campus.这买了很多校园。
208It buys world-class labs, the best technology,它购买世界级的实验室 最好的技术
209and top professors from all over the world.以及来自世界各地的顶级教授
210It definitely does.绝对是这样
211But here's the catch.但这里的捕捉。
212They are not building a huge campus to hold 50,000 students.他们不会建造一个庞大的校园来容纳5万名学生。
213No?是吗?
214No.没有
215The local government has a very specific goal.地方政府有一个非常具体的目标。
216They want this new university to be small yet excellent.他们希望这所新大学规模小而优秀.
217Small yet excellent.虽小却极佳.
218That sounds like the total opposite of dealing with a giant wave of students.这听起来完全相反 面对一波巨大的学生。
219I mean, if you have a crowding problem,我的意思是,如果你有一个拥挤的问题,
220why in the world would you build a small school?为什么要建个小学校?
221Because this specific school has a totally different job.因为这个学校的工作完全不同
222It focuses very deeply on scientific research.它非常深入地关注科学研究.
223Ah, I see.原来如此
224It's not about teaching thousands of regular college students.与教授数千名普通大学生无关.
225It is about high-level innovation.它涉及高级别创新。
226They want it to be internationally competitive.他们希望它具有国际竞争力。
227Okay, that makes sense.好吧,这有道理。
228I mean, the whole world is in a really fierce race for technical talent right now.全世界都在激烈竞争技术人才
229Exactly.没错
230And China wants to lead in science and technology.而中国则希望科技领先.
231So they need elite places to invent new things.所以他们需要精英的地方来发明新的东西。
232Right.对
233A giant, crowded university might not be the best place for deep, quiet research.一个巨大的,拥挤的大学 可能不是进行深入,安静研究的最佳场所。
234But a small, super-rich school can attract the absolute best minds.但是一个小的,超富的学校可以吸引绝对最好的人才.
235Yes.对
236And this connects to a larger national strategy.这与更大的国家战略有关。
237The government says they want more research universities exactly like this one.政府说他们想要更多的研究型大学 和这所一样
238So private wealth is stepping in to build that top elite layer.因此,私人财富 正在介入建设 高层精英层。
239Yes, exactly.没错
240So billionaires and the government are pouring billions of dollars into the top of the system.所以亿万富翁和政府 正在把数十亿美元注入系统顶端。
241Right.对
242They are trying to train advanced scientists.他们试图培训先进的科学家。
243But this brings us right back to the bottom of the system.但是这让我们回到系统底部。
244The little kids.孩子们
245Yeah.对
246What is happening at the bottom?到底发生了什么?
247What happens to the schools for the little kids if there are basically no babies?如果基本上没有婴儿 孩子们的学校会怎么样?
248The numbers at the bottom are just staggering.底部的数字非常惊人
249Between 2021 and 2025, kindergarten and lower schools lost nearly 17 million students.2021年至2025年间,幼儿园和初中损失近1700万学生.
250Wait.单单
25117 million fewer kids.少了1700万个孩子。
252In just four years.短短四年内.
253In just four years?短短四年内?
254Yes.对
255That is an entire country's worth of children just, you know, gone from the system.这是整个国家的孩子的价值, 你知道,刚刚离开系统。
256It is a huge demographic shift.这是一个巨大的人口变化。
257Now, they usually, if a school loses that many kids, the town just looks at the budget.现在,他们通常,如果一个学校 失去了那么多的孩子, 小镇只是看预算。
258Right.对
259The money.钱
260They see the cost of heating an empty building.他们看到一个空楼的暖气成本。
261They see empty desks.他们看到空桌子。
262So they just close the building to save money.所以他们只是关闭了大楼 以节省资金。
263Are they just locking the doors over there?他们在锁门吗?
264Actually, no.事实上,没有。
265The official policy is the opposite.官方政策则相反.
266They are not just locking the doors.他们不只是锁门。
267Really?真的吗?
268Yeah.对
269The government official in the article made this very clear.文章中的政府官员非常明确地说明了这一点.
270Instead of just cutting resources, they are taking this chance to make the schools better.他们不但没有削减资源,反而抓住这个机会使学校变得更好。
271Making them better.让他们更好。
272How does an empty classroom improve quality?空教室如何提高质量?.
273Well, it starts with class size.嗯,它从班级大小开始。
274Right.对
275For decades, classrooms there have been famously crowded.几十年来,那里的教室一直以拥挤著称.
276Right.对
277Very full.非常满.
278Having 40 or 50 kids in one room was completely normal.一个房间里有40到50个孩子是完全正常的。
279But now they are making class sizes smaller.但是现在他们正在使班级规模变小。
280A teacher might only have 20 students.老师可能只有20名学生
281Wow.珃
282That completely changes how a teacher works.这完全改变了老师的工作方式。
283It really does.确实
284When you have 50 kids, you are just doing crowd control.当你有50个孩子, 你只是做人群控制。
285You're just trying to keep them quiet.你只是想让他们安静
286Right.对
287But when you have 20, you can actually check everyone's homework.但当你有20, 你可以检查每个人的功课。
288You can notice if one kid is struggling with, like, a math problem.你可以注意到,如果一个孩子 在挣扎,喜欢,数学问题。
289Exactly.没错
290You go from managing a big crowd to actual, real teaching.你从管理一大群人到真正的教书
291The learning gets much better.学得更好
292That is a great point.这是一个伟大的观点。
293But they are also changing the physical rooms themselves.但他们也在改变物理房间本身。
294They have all these empty classrooms now, right?他们现在有所有这些空教室,对不对?
295Yeah, because of the missing 17 million kids.是啊,因为失踪的1700万孩子。
296Right.对
297So instead of leaving them dark and empty, they are changing them.因此,他们并没有让他们变得黑暗和空虚,而是在改变他们。
298Some rooms become art studios.有些房间成为艺术工作室.
299Oh, nice.不错
300Others become spaces for labor education.另一些则成为劳动教育的空间。
301Labor education.劳动教育.
302That sounds like official government jargon.这听起来像官方的政府术语。
303What does that actually look like in real life?这在现实生活中是什么样子?
304Does it mean sending little kids to do factory work?意思是送小孩去工厂工作?
305No, no.没有,没有。
306It just means learning practical work skills.它只是意味着学习实用的工作技能.
307Okay.摆
308It means learning to build things with your hands.谓以手修习造物.
309It might be fixing a machine or cooking a meal or growing a garden.可能是修理机器 烹饪或种植花园
310Oh, okay.哦,还好。
311Hands-on real-world learning.亲身体验现实世界
312Yes, exactly.没错
313So a room that used to hold 50 kids doing heavy test prep is now a workshop.所以以前有50个孩子做重测试准备的房间 现在是一个工作室。
314Right.对
315Or an art studio.或者艺术工作室
316That is a massive shift in how they view school.他们对学校的看法发生了巨大的转变。
317If we connect this to the bigger picture, it is really smart.如果我们把这件事和大局联系起来,那真的很聪明。
318They are taking a huge problem and using it to build a more creative school day.他们正在面对一个巨大的问题,并利用它来建立一个更具创造性的学校日。
319They are taking a crisis and making an opportunity out of it.他们正在面对危机,并从中寻找机会。
320Exactly.没错
321They do not just want to save money on heating bills.他们并不只是想节省取暖费
322They want to produce a totally different kind of student.他们想培养一个完全不同的学生
323Let's step back and look at this whole pattern.让我们退一步,看看这整个模式。
324At the very top, billionaires are building elite science universities.最顶尖的是亿万富翁正在建设精英科学大学.
325Yes.对
326And at the very bottom, local towns are adding art rooms and teaching practical skills.而在最底层,当地的城镇正在增加艺术室和教授实用技能.
327Right.对
328The whole system, from bottom to top, is trying to produce smarter, better-skilled students.整个系统,从下到上,都在努力培养更聪明,更熟练的学生.
329Yes.对
330You are seeing the core goal of all these changes.你们看到所有这些变化的核心目标。
331The leaders have a name for this.诸头领有名.
332They call it high-quality population development.他们称之为高质量人口发展。
333High-quality population development.高质量人口发展.
334Let's dig into that term.让我们来研究一下这个术语。
335Why is this specific idea so important to their economy right now?为什么这个具体的想法对他们现在的经济如此重要?
336Well, Premier Li Qiong talked about this recently.总理李强最近谈到此事
337He is a top leader there.他是这里的最高领导人。
338He said this kind of development is totally required for sustainable growth.他说,可持续发展完全需要这种发展。
339Okay.摆
340But why?为什么?
341Think about the math.想想数学
342When your population shrinks, you simply have fewer workers.当你的人口萎缩时,你的工作人口就会减少。
343If you have fewer hands to do the daily work,如果你的手少做日常工作,
344every single person's work must be much more valuable.每个人的作品必须更有价值。
345Ah, I see.原来如此
346If you cannot grow your economy with a billion cheap workers anymore,如果你再不能用十亿廉价工人 来发展你的经济
347you have to grow it with brilliant engineers and highly creative thinkers.你必须用杰出的工程师和高度创意的思想家来培养它.
348That is exactly the reality.这就是现实。
349Every single citizen needs better scientific skills.每个公民都需要更好的科学技能。
350They need better cultural knowledge.他们需要更好的文化知识。
351They need stronger vocational skills like those hands-on working skills we talked about.他们需要更强的职业技能 就像我们谈论的那些实际工作技能。
352Right.对
353Because there are just fewer people around.因为周围的人很少
354Right.对
355The education of every single person has to get deeper.每个人的教育必须更加深入。
356The entire economy basically depends on it keeping strong.整个经济基本上依靠它保持强劲.
357They are forced to make this shift.他们被迫进行这种转变。
358The falling birth rate literally gives them no other choice.出生率的下降让他们别无选择。
359None at all.没有
360But it is a fascinating way to handle a shrinking workforce.但它是一个令人着迷的方法 来处理劳动力萎缩。
361They are choosing quality over quantity.他们选择质量而不是数量。
362It is a choice that will probably define their economic future for a long, long time.这种选择很可能在很长一段时间内决定其经济未来。
363So what does this all mean for you, the listener?这对你意味着什么,听者?
364This brings up a thought you can take with you today to explore on your own.今天你可以自己去探索了
365This is not just a local issue in Asia.这不仅仅是亚洲的一个地方问题。
366Many other countries around the world are also having fewer babies right now.世界上许多其他国家也正在减少婴儿数量。
367It is happening in a lot of places.发生在许多地方。
368Right.对
369Our own local school districts might face this same drop very soon.我们本地的校区可能很快就会面临同样的下降。
370Yeah, they might.是的,他们可能。
371So when local schools in other countries start to empty out, what will those towns do?所以当其他国家的当地学校开始空出时,这些城镇会做什么?
372Will they just look at the budget, lock the doors, and board up the windows to save cash?他们会看看预算,锁上门,登上窗户,节省现金吗?
373It is a big question.这是一个大问题。
374Or will they look at this example?还是他们要看看这个例子?
375They could see those empty rooms as a rare chance to finally build smaller,他们可以把这些空房间看作是一个难得的机会 最终建造更小,
376richer, and more creative classes for the kids who remain.更丰富 更有创意的班级 对于留学生。
377It is a choice every shrinking country will have to make.这是每一个缩小的国家都必须作出的选择。
378Well, thank you for joining us for this deep dive.谢谢你加入我们的深度潜水
379We hope this conversation sparked some new ideas and gave you a different way to look at the future.我们希望这次对话能激发一些新的想法,并给你一个不同的展望未来的方法.
380Keep learning, and we'll catch you next time.继续学习,我们会抓住你下一次。
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