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| 0:00 | Hello and welcome to Kansas. | 你好 欢迎来到堪萨斯州 |
| 0:02 | I'm Katrina Perry. | 我是卡特里娜・派瑞 |
| 0:03 | Now Kansas is not a swing state, far from it. | 现在堪萨斯州不是一个摇摆州,远离它. |
| 0:07 | There hasn't been a Democrat elected senator here since 1932. | 自1932年以来,这里一直没有民主党当选参议员. |
| 0:11 | There hasn't been a Democrat | 没有民主党人 |
| 0:12 | elected president since 1964. | 1964年起当选总统. |
| 0:16 | And 88% of Kansas is farmland. | 88%的堪萨斯州是农田。 |
| 0:18 | Only Texas and Montana have more | 只有德克萨斯州和蒙大拿州有更多 |
| 0:21 | farms than Kansas. | 农场比堪萨斯州。 |
| 0:22 | And it's been a really tough year for American farmers. | 对美国农民来说,这年很艰难。 |
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| 1 | Hello and welcome to Kansas. | 你好 欢迎来到堪萨斯州 |
| 2 | I'm Katrina Perry. | 我是卡特里娜・派瑞 |
| 3 | Now Kansas is not a swing state, far from it. | 现在堪萨斯州不是一个摇摆州,远离它. |
| 4 | There hasn't been a Democrat elected senator here since 1932. | 自1932年以来,这里一直没有民主党当选参议员. |
| 5 | There hasn't been a Democrat | 没有民主党人 |
| 6 | elected president since 1964. | 1964年起当选总统. |
| 7 | And 88% of Kansas is farmland. | 88%的堪萨斯州是农田。 |
| 8 | Only Texas and Montana have more | 只有德克萨斯州和蒙大拿州有更多 |
| 9 | farms than Kansas. | 农场比堪萨斯州。 |
| 10 | And it's been a really tough year for American farmers. | 对美国农民来说,这年很艰难。 |
| 11 | Lots of concerns | 很多问题 |
| 12 | around the price of diesel, fertilizer, the price of grain, beef access to markets, the impact of | 柴油、化肥、谷物价格、牛肉进入市场、 |
| 13 | tariffs, the list goes on. | 关税,清单继续。 |
| 14 | And there are fears that those concerns could put some cracks on the | 人们担心这些担心会给人们带来一些麻烦 |
| 15 | Republican red wall here. | 共和党红墙在这里。 |
| 16 | So we've come to Kansas to find out just what voters are thinking. | 所以我们来到堪萨斯来了解 选民的想法。 |
| 17 | Pretty much everything he's done as far as agriculture goes, whether it's the trade war, | 在农业方面 他所做的一切 无论是贸易战争 |
| 18 | the war with Iran, the importing foreign beef, you know, these are misguided policies. | 与伊朗的战争, 进口外国牛肉, 你知道,这些都是错误的政策。 |
| 19 | The only impact we've really seen is the price of diesel that went up. | 我们真正看到的唯一影响是柴油价格上升。 |
| 20 | Kansans aren't tied to a political party anymore. | 坎桑斯不再与政党有联系了. |
| 21 | Whether we're untied enough, I don't know. | 我们是否有足够的松绑,我不知道。 |
| 22 | Look, I'm an American first person. | 我是美国第一人 |
| 23 | Sitting Republican Senator Roger Marshall is hoping | 坐共和党参议员罗杰·马歇尔希望 |
| 24 | those ties stay strong. | 这些关系要坚强 |
| 25 | Why in the world would we agree to do that? | 为什么我们同意这样做? |
| 26 | But his Democratic challenger, | 但他的民主挑战者, |
| 27 | Adam Hamilton, is unpicking them. | 亚当・汉密尔顿,正在解开他们。 |
| 28 | Selling out our allies, the Ukrainians. | 出卖我们的盟友,乌克兰人。 |
| 29 | He's new to politics, | 他是新来的政界, |
| 30 | a moderate and the founding pastor of the largest United Methodist Church in the US. | 美国最大的联合卫理公会的温和派和创始牧师。 |
| 31 | His support has grown so much that this race in solid Republican Kansas is now rated as a toss-up. | 他的支持有了很大的发展,以至于这场在坚固的共和党堪萨斯州的比赛现在被评为掷球. |
| 32 | Either could win. | 两者都可以赢 |
| 33 | Farmers could well be the kingmakers. | 农民很可能是统治者。 |
| 34 | So I spent the day with three | 所以我花了一天与三个 |
| 35 | to see just what's at stake. | 来看看有什么关系 |
| 36 | How are things working out? | 事情进展如何? |
| 37 | Well, between the weather and | 天气和天气之间 |
| 38 | the prices, kind of choppy, I guess you could say. | 价格, 有点粗糙, 我想你可以说。 |
| 39 | Nick Lewandowski是农民和牛肉 | |
| 40 | producer in central Kansas and executive director of the Kansas Farmers Union. | 堪萨斯州中部的制作人和堪萨斯农民联盟执行董事. |
| 41 | I think the big thing for us right now is just the cost of everything. | 我认为,对我们来说,现在的大事就是一切的代价。 |
| 42 | You know, I was talking to | 你知道,我在说话 |
| 43 | Dad the other day and even just a piece of a part for one of the combines, a fuel pump, was $950. | 那天爸爸甚至只是其中一部分 燃料泵,是950美元。 |
| 44 | And I think you can factor in tariffs with that and all that. | 我想你可以考虑 关税与这一切。 |
| 45 | How much would that normally be | 通常会多少钱? |
| 46 | or have been in the past? | 还是过去的事? |
| 47 | Probably a couple hundred dollars less. | 大概少了几百块 |
| 48 | And it's small enough, | 它已经足够小了 |
| 49 | like he said, you can hold it in the palm of your hand and that's nearly $1,000. | 就像他说的,你可以握在你的手掌上 近1000美元。 |
| 50 | But the big thing | 但最重要的事情是,我们... |
| 51 | right now is fuel and fertilizer. | 现在就是燃料和肥料 |
| 52 | So I think everybody's just really anxious. | 所以我觉得大家都很焦虑 |
| 53 | It's a very high | 这是一个非常高的 |
| 54 | stress time anyway, you know, when you're trying to get all this done and then you've got cattle | 压力时间总之,你知道, 当你试图完成这一切,然后你有牛 |
| 55 | need to be moved in off of pastures and that as well. | 需要搬出牧场 以及这一点。 |
| 56 | Then you factor in all of the challenges | 那你就考虑所有的挑战 |
| 57 | that you don't have any control over, obviously, whether it's the markets or the weather or | 很明显,你对市场或天气没有任何控制 |
| 58 | trade war or a war with Iran. | 贸易战争或与伊朗的战争。 |
| 59 | It just adds more uncertainty and frankly chaos to the situation. | 这只会给局势增加更多的不确定性和坦率的混乱。 |
| 60 | And can you see a direct line from decisions or policies that have come from the administration | 你能从政府的决定或政策中看到一条直线 |
| 61 | in the last year or two through to the impact it's having on your livelihood? | 在过去的一年或两年里 影响你的生计? |
| 62 | Oh, absolutely. | 当然 |
| 63 | Yeah, I think you can look at just about anything, whether it's the fuel and fertilizer costs, | 是啊,我想你可以看看 任何事情,无论是燃料和肥料的成本, |
| 64 | the steel and aluminum tariffs from the trade war, any of that to what we have to pay at the | 钢铁和铝的关税 从贸易战争, 任何我们不得不支付 |
| 65 | grocery store. | 杂货店 |
| 66 | And in terms of the markets then for your corn, for your soybeans, how have they | 至于你的玉米市场,大豆市场,他们怎么样? |
| 67 | been impacted? | 是否受到影响? |
| 68 | Well, they have been, you know, because soybeans have been primarily sold, | 嗯,他们一直,你知道, 因为大豆主要卖, |
| 69 | you know, over to China, obviously, but the trade war with China has affected that. | 你知道,到中国去,很明显, 但与中国的贸易战争 已经影响了这一点。 |
| 70 | And that really | 这真的 |
| 71 | goes back to 2018-2019 when Trump did this the first time around. | 可追溯到2018-2019年特朗普首次这样做时. |
| 72 | And China just said, fine, | 而中国刚刚说,好吧, |
| 73 | we're going to go somewhere else. | 我们要去别的地方 |
| 74 | Well, it is a global market now. | 现在,这是一个全球市场。 |
| 75 | They don't have to just deal | 他们不必只是交易 |
| 76 | with us. | 与我们。 |
| 77 | They can go somewhere else. | 他们可以去别的地方 |
| 78 | And they've invested their money in, you know, South America, | 他们把钱投给了南美 |
| 79 | Brazil and Argentina. | 巴西和阿根廷。 |
| 80 | What are you thinking of as you head to the polls and thinking who you're | 你在看民调时在想什么 想想你是谁 |
| 81 | going to vote for? | 要投给谁? |
| 82 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 83 | Well, I voted already on day two of early voting. | 我已经在投票的第二天投票了 |
| 84 | I got it over with | 我受够了 |
| 85 | because I knew already who I was going to support. | 因为我已经知道我要支持谁了 |
| 86 | And I think for a lot of farmers, there's probably | 我想对于很多农民来说 可能还有 |
| 87 | still that question of, you know, do we stick with who we've been supporting? | 还是那个问题,你知道,我们坚持 我们一直支持谁? |
| 88 | Do we give them another | 我们给他们再一个 |
| 89 | two years or whatever? | 两年还是什么? |
| 90 | I have a feeling that people are going to be voting more with their pocketbooks | 我有一种感觉,人们会 投票更多用他们的袖珍书 |
| 91 | in this election because for everybody, the price of everything's gone up. | 在这场选举中 因为对每个人来说 所有东西的价格都上涨了 |
| 92 | Nicole Frying is a fifth | 妮可·弗林是第五个 |
| 93 | generation beef farmer. | 一代牛肉农 |
| 94 | This morning, she's looking for calves that may have been born overnight. | 今天早上,她在找可能出生在一夜的幼崽. |
| 95 | We're going from sunup to sundown, even to midnight, just grabbing calves that are not even | 我们从日出到日落,甚至到午夜, 只抓小牛,甚至没有 |
| 96 | five minutes old. | 5分钟大 |
| 97 | The only impact we've really seen is the price of diesel that went up. | 我们真正看到的唯一影响是柴油价格上升。 |
| 98 | The tariffs is meant to help. | 关税意在帮助。 |
| 99 | They've been here for years, but you only kind of see the product, | 他们在这里已经好几年了 但你只看到了产品 |
| 100 | but we have not. | 但我们没有。 |
| 101 | Due to the manipulation, the monopoly of the four packers, they can control | 由于操控,垄断四打包机,他们可以控制 |
| 102 | the price still. | 价格仍然不变。 |
| 103 | So the consumers are not able to feel the relief that the tariffs are meant to be | 因此消费者无法感受到关税的本意 |
| 104 | for them, really. | 对他们来说,真的。 |
| 105 | What about diesel? | 柴油怎么样? |
| 106 | Is that putting pressure on? | 这是给压力吗? |
| 107 | It is. | 没错 |
| 108 | It's putting pressure on our | 它给我们带来压力 |
| 109 | way of life because we're needing it. | 生活方式,因为我们需要它。 |
| 110 | We're needing diesel. | 我们需要柴油。 |
| 111 | This is a diesel pickup. | 这是柴油车 |
| 112 | That's the only | 这是唯一的 |
| 113 | way for us to get around to feed our livestock. | 来养家糊口 |
| 114 | It's the chemical. | 这是化学。 |
| 115 | It's the fertilizer. | 这是肥料。 |
| 116 | We're | 我们是 |
| 117 | not gamblers, but yes, our livelihood. | 不是赌徒,而是我们的生活 |
| 118 | We're gambling. | 我们在赌博 |
| 119 | We're gambling that all these should | 我们在赌这些东西 |
| 120 | be bred. | 被培养。 |
| 121 | Will they be bred? | 他们会长大吗? |
| 122 | Hopefully, yes, but we'll find out when we preg check, and then will | 希望,是的,但我们会发现 当我们准备检查,然后会 |
| 123 | they keep that calf? | 他们留着那只小牛? |
| 124 | When we might have one, she'll probably be... | 当我们可能有一个, 她可能会是... |
| 125 | Yes, I know. | 对,我知道。 |
| 126 | 140 days along, | 140天过去了, |
| 127 | she could easily still slip that calf open and spring. | 她可以轻而易举地把幼崽 打开和春天。 |
| 128 | It's all gambling, and so we're all putting | 这都是赌博,所以我们都说 |
| 129 | money that we technically don't have, and we're hoping to get kind of | 我们从技术上讲没有的钱, 我们希望得到一种 |
| 130 | the patent back with our calf crop. | 我们的幼崽作物的专利 |
| 131 | These guys are supposed to pay our debt from last year. | 这些家伙应该偿还我们去年的债务 |
| 132 | The unborn calves will hopefully help cushion the debt from this year. | 希望未出生的小牛能帮助减轻今年的债务。 |
| 133 | We only get | 我们只得到 |
| 134 | 20 cents of the consumer adult. | 消费成人20美分. |
| 135 | I stopped the social media and everything because all I hear | 我停止了社交媒体和一切 因为我听到的 |
| 136 | is consumers griping. | 消费者在紧紧抓住。 |
| 137 | Look at those beef producers. | 看看那些牛肉生产商。 |
| 138 | They're getting X amount of dollars. | 他们得到X的金额。 |
| 139 | They're fine. | 他们没事 |
| 140 | We're still not getting... We only get 20 cents of your dollar. | 我们还是... 我们只得到20美分你的美元。 |
| 141 | The packers and the retailers are | 包装和零售商 |
| 142 | getting the rest of the money. | 拿到剩下的钱 |
| 143 | But having said all that, do you love what you do? | 但是说完这些之后 你爱做什么吗? |
| 144 | I love what I do. | 我爱我的工作。 |
| 145 | I love it. | 我喜欢它。 |
| 146 | It's hard. | 难曰. |
| 147 | Like I said, we calved from February, so we have the elements of negative | 正如我所说,我们从2月开始幼崽, 所以我们有消极的因素 |
| 148 | weather. | 天气 风 |
| 149 | When we get to May, it will turn out and you see it. | 当我们到达五月, 它会变成你看到的。 |
| 150 | You see the one that survived. | 你看那个活下来的 |
| 151 | And it's like I helped keep them alive. | 就像我帮助他们活着一样 |
| 152 | What have we got here? | 我们这里有什么? |
| 153 | So here's a bean pod. | 所以这里是一个豆舱。 |
| 154 | 天黑了 黑了点 It's dark | |
| 155 | colored, which shouldn't be dark colored because the dark colored part of it is the result of | 颜色,不应该是深色的,因为其中的深色部分是由于 |
| 156 | the dry weather and stressing the plant. | 干燥的天气 和强调植物。 |
| 157 | Merrill Nielsen farms the same land his great-grandfather | 梅里尔・尼尔森农场 和他曾祖父一样的土地 |
| 158 | did, but says matters on the farm have never been worse. | 但是说农场的事情从未更糟过 |
| 159 | 26 is probably the worst year we've ever had | 26岁是我们最糟糕的一年 |
| 160 | financially. | 财政方面。 |
| 161 | Expenses are up. | 开销上升了。 |
| 162 | Fertilizer is up. | 合肥开机. |
| 163 | Fuel is double what it's been before. | 燃料是之前的两倍 |
| 164 | And then the sort of got hit by a whammy with the weather, not cooperating, not having normal weather. | 然后那种被天气所吸引, 不合作, 没有正常天气。 |
| 165 | And we've lost most of our wheat crop and for our beans and our milo crop, we're probably | 我们失去了大部分的麦类作物 为了我们的豆类和米罗作物,我们可能 |
| 166 | half to two-thirds of normal crop. | 一半到三分之二的正常作物。 |
| 167 | So the weather you can't do anything about in the short term | 所以,短期内,天气你无能为力 |
| 168 | anyway, but all of the other factors, do you see that there's a reason for that? | 不过,但所有其他因素, 你看到有原因吗? |
| 169 | Do you link that directly to policies that politicians enact? | 你是否直接将它与政客制定的政策联系起来? |
| 170 | Yeah, certainly. | 当然 |
| 171 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 172 | the United States produces a lot, but there's a lot that comes out of the Middle East. | 美国生产了很多,但中东也有很多。 |
| 173 | And if | 如果 |
| 174 | there's a disruption in the traffic flow out of the Middle East, prices go up dramatically. | 中东的交通流量中断,物价急剧上涨。 |
| 175 | I mean, the other thing that's happened at the same time is that we seem to be, the administration | 我的意思是,其他的事情 发生在同一时间 我们似乎,行政部门 |
| 176 | seems to be involved with making new trade policies. | 似乎参与制定新的贸易政策。 |
| 177 | And some of the countries that we have sold | 我们卖掉的一些国家 |
| 178 | products to before aren't buying them or reduce the amount that they're buying. | 之前的产品不是购买,也不是减少购买的数量。 |
| 179 | And so the markets | 所以市场 |
| 180 | that we've had before just aren't there at the moment. | 我们以前有过的 只是现在不在那里。 |
| 181 | So do you feel that you're kind of the | 所以你觉得你是那种 |
| 182 | front line paying the price for administration policies, even if they say that they're doing it | 一线为行政政策付出代价,即使他们说他们这样做 |
| 183 | for a long term gain reason? | 从长远角度讲,是有理由的? |
| 184 | Yeah, I mean, there may be a long term, but there's a short term | 是啊,我的意思是,也许有一个长期, 但有一个短期 |
| 185 | impact of it also. | 影响也是。 |
| 186 | I mean, hopefully the long term works out well for us, but the short term, | 但短期内 |
| 187 | I mean, these are sort of these products, these, whether it's wheat or whether it's milo or beans | 我的意思是,这些是这类产品, 这些,无论是小麦,还是米罗或豆子。 |
| 188 | or corn or beef, the producers over the years have taxed themselves as they have sold the product | 或玉米或牛肉,这些年来,生产者为自己征税,因为他们出售产品。 |
| 189 | to put that money into sales development. | 把钱投入销售发展 |
| 190 | And another factor that people might not be aware of was the shuttering or the reduction of USAID | 人们可能不知道的另一个因素是美援署的关闭或缩减 |
| 191 | had a direct impact on farmers as well. | 对农民也有直接影响。 |
| 192 | Yeah, I mean, for a long time, USAID was | 是啊,我的意思是,很长一段时间,美援署 |
| 193 | also helping to develop those markets that we could later, would later on become a cash market | 也帮助开发那些我们以后可能发展起来的市场,以后将成为现金市场. |
| 194 | and allow us to sell into those markets. | 并允许我们向这些市场出售。 |
| 195 | And maybe there was a reason, hopefully there was | 也许有原因 希望有 |
| 196 | a good reason to make some changes, but just to axe the whole program seemed like a pretty | 做一些改变的好理由, 但只是轴 整个程序似乎是一个漂亮的 |
| 197 | blunt approach to maybe whatever problem there was. | 直截了当地处理问题 |
| 198 | And are you thinking all of that | 你在想这些吗? |
| 199 | as you decide who you're going to vote for in the midterm elections this year? | 你决定今年中期选举投给谁? |
| 200 | Um, yeah, I don't know. | 嗯,对,我不知道。 |
| 201 | I mean, we're obviously not voting on the administration, | 我的意思是,我们显然没有投票 政府, |
| 202 | but our senator that's up for re-election has been a very strong supporter of the administration. | 但我们的参议员 重新当选 一直是政府的坚定支持者 |
| 203 | And yeah, it certainly weighs on my mind as to whether that would be a good choice to continue | 是的,这当然会影响我的心思 是否是继续的好选择 |
| 204 | six more years or not. | 再过6年就不行了 |
| 205 | And in the past, if you don't mind me asking, have you voted Republican right through the ticket? | 过去,如果你不介意我问, 你是否通过选票投票给共和党? |
| 206 | Well, I've never been a solid Republican. | 我从来没有当过真正的共和党人 |
| 207 | But in this part of the United States, | 但在美国这个地区, |
| 208 | in this part of the state of Kansas, Republicans are a majority. | 在堪萨斯州这部分地区,共和党占多数. |
| 209 | And my parents were Republicans. | 我的父母是共和党人。 |
| 210 | But I'm of the age, I probably could decide on myself. | 但我年纪大了,也许可以决定自己 |
| 211 | Just maybe. | 也许吧 |
| 212 | Kansans aren't tied to a political party anymore. | 坎桑斯不再与政党有联系了. |
| 213 | Maybe the parties are wise to that. | 也许各方对此很明智。 |
| 214 | Just two weeks before polling day, | 就在投票前两周 |
| 215 | President Donald Trump made a campaign stop in Wichita, Kansas. | 总统唐纳德·特朗普在堪萨斯州威奇塔停止竞选. |
| 216 | I'm thrilled to be back in this incredible state, which, by the way, I don't want to brag, | 我很高兴回到这个不可思议的状态 顺便说一句,我不想吹嘘, |
| 217 | I won all three times. | 我赢得了所有三次。 |
| 218 | And this time, he came bearing gifts. | 这次他带着礼物来 |
| 219 | Tonight, I'm also pleased to announce that the Department of Agriculture | 今晚我也很高兴宣布 农业部 |
| 220 | will be launching a new harvest fuel relief program, providing our farmers | 将为我们的农民提供新的收获燃料救济计划 |
| 221 | with $8 billion in support to offset diesel costs during this harvest season. | 80亿美元用来抵消本收获季节的柴油成本。 |
| 222 | But will it be enough? | 但是这够吗? |
| 223 | Andrea Vue是政治学副教授 | |
| 224 | at the Johnson County Community College. | 在约翰逊县社区学院。 |
| 225 | I certainly think there is a reason why prognosticators aren't considering us a | 我当然认为有原因 预测者不认为我们是一个 |
| 226 | because the polls are very close. | 因为民调非常接近 |
| 227 | What I would say is we have to look at those with a little | 我想说的是,我们必须看看那些 有一点点 |
| 228 | bit of a skeptical eye because it's harder to do random digit dialing when people are answering | 有点怀疑,因为人们回答时 很难随机拨号 |
| 229 | their phones. | 他们的手机。 |
| 230 | So a lot of these polls are using online surveys of a captive audience and they're | 这些民意调查中很多都使用 在线调查一个被俘的观众,他们是 |
| 231 | contracting with survey firms to get those results. | 与调查公司签订合同以取得这些结果。 |
| 232 | That doesn't mean that they can't | 这并不意味着他们不能 |
| 233 | tell us anything. | 告诉我们什么。 |
| 234 | It just means that there's probably a bit more error involved in the polls | 这只是说, 可能有更多的错误 涉及到投票 |
| 235 | than we might normally see. | 和我们通常看到的一样 |
| 236 | But even the most loyal | 但即使是最忠诚的 |
| 237 | Republicans in Kansas sometimes do vote Democrat, right? | 堪萨斯州的共和党人有时会投票给民主党,对吧? |
| 238 | I mean, the governor is a Democrat. | 州长是民主党人 |
| 239 | We have seen Republicans vote for Laura Kelly for governor. | 我们看到共和党人投票支持劳拉·凯利为州长. |
| 240 | She has won two different statewide | 她赢得了两个不同的全州 |
| 241 | elections. | 选举。 |
| 242 | And we had before Kathleen Sebelius was also a Democratic governor in Kansas. | 在凯瑟琳·塞贝利乌斯担任堪萨斯州民主党州长之前 |
| 243 | So | 这么说 |
| 244 | Republicans or probably more realistically unaffiliated voters in Kansas will vote for | 肯萨斯州的共和党人或 可能更现实的无党派选民会投票支持 |
| 245 | Democrats in statewide elections for state offices. | 民主党人参加全州选举州办公室. |
| 246 | If people are concerned about the Senate or the | 如果人们关心参议院或者 |
| 247 | House not really being a check on the president or the executive branch, that might push them to | 豪斯不是真正的检查 总统或行政部门, 这可能会迫使他们 |
| 248 | vote for a Democrat in this election. | 投票选举民主党人。 |
| 249 | The people are very frustrated not only by the cost of living | 人民不仅对生活费用感到沮丧 |
| 250 | and the gas prices, the diesel prices, the food prices, tariffs basically blocking our farmers' | 天然气价格,柴油价格,粮食价格,关税 基本上阻碍了我们的农民。 |
| 251 | ability to export foods, but they're also really frustrated with the uber partisanship, you know, | 出口食品的能力, 但他们也非常沮丧 uber党,你知道, |
| 252 | the hyper partisanship that's going on and the refusal to work together and kind of cut across | 和拒绝合作 和那种切入 |
| 253 | party lines to solve some real problems. | 党的台词解决一些真正的问题。 |
| 254 | Indeed they are, as I found out when I met a mixed | 没错,我遇见一个混血儿时发现的 |
| 255 | gathering of voters at the Granded Soul Coffee House on the edge of Kansas City. | 在堪萨斯城边缘的Granded Soul咖啡馆聚集选民. |
| 256 | I think one of the biggest things is just that I'm not very happy with the political | 我觉得最大的一件事就是 我对政治不满意 |
| 257 | rhetoric that's going on and just the back and forth that's happening. | 不断的言语,只是前后的言语. |
| 258 | It's just so vile. | 这太卑鄙了 |
| 259 | There's | 还有 |
| 260 | so many aspersions cast with no real substance to them and it's all about the character of a candidate | 如此多的涂鸦 对他们没有真正的实质 和它的所有关于 一个候选人的性格 |
| 261 | a lot of times, but the issues that really are most important to me are health care, education, | 很多时候, 但真正对我最重要的问题 是保健,教育, |
| 262 | and responsible use of the finances we do. | 并负责任地使用我们做的财务。 |
| 263 | And are you conscious of, you know, we hear a lot | 你知道,我们听到很多 |
| 264 | about the cost of living crisis, whether life's affordable or not at the moment? | 关于生活危机的代价, 生活现在是否负担得起? |
| 265 | We've been feeling | 我们一直感觉 |
| 266 | it a little bit more individually in small businesses like myself. | 在像我这样的小生意里 更个别一点 |
| 267 | We've certainly seen | 我们当然看到了 |
| 268 | people, what I would call, trading down. | 人,我会叫,交易下来。 |
| 269 | Our average spend is going down at the Iowna | 我们平均花费在艾奥纳 |
| 270 | Liquor Store. | 酒库. |
| 271 | So you can downgrade in vodka eight or nine times and people are doing that. | 你可以在伏特加中降级八到九次 人们在这样做。 |
| 272 | And so we've noticed that. | 所以我们注意到了这一点。 |
| 273 | I didn't expect corruption to ever be a concern in our country, | 我没想到腐败会成为我们国家的问题 |
| 274 | but it feels like it is. | 但感觉就像它。 |
| 275 | But other than that, I would say the affordability, the price of gas, | 但除此之外,我要说 价格,天然气, |
| 276 | $80 to fill up a 2006 Toyota truck, that's ridiculous. | 80块装满2006年丰田货车,真可笑. |
| 277 | And then health care. | 然后是医疗 |
| 278 | I happen to | 我碰巧会 |
| 279 | be an individual who has experienced lung cancer as someone who never smoked, but have a mutation | 成为一个曾经经历过肺癌的人 一个人从来没有吸烟, 但有一个突变 |
| 280 | and Medicare has been good to me. | 医疗保障对我很好 |
| 281 | I mean, Medicare has been very good to me in my life. | 我的意思是,医疗计划 一直对我很好在我的生命。 |
| 282 | And yet we have politicians walking around saying we don't need to expand Medicaid. | 但我们有政客到处说 我们不需要扩大医疗补助。 |
| 283 | We don't need to provide health insurance to our low-income Kansans. | 我们不需要为我们的低收入坎桑人提供医疗保险. |
| 284 | That's unfair. | 这不公平 |
| 285 | That's | 这是 |
| 286 | un-American. | 非美国人。 |
| 287 | That's unfair. | 这不公平 |
| 288 | What about you, Adam? | 你呢,亚当? |
| 289 | What are your big issues? | 你有什么大问题? |
| 290 | The growth for | 增长 |
| 291 | the next generation is stalling. | 下一代在拖延时间 |
| 292 | Housing crisis all over the states, all over this country is | 整个州都有住房危机 整个国家都是 |
| 293 | really hard to come by. | 很难通过。 |
| 294 | And there's a group of people that are stuck at home, can't get jobs. | 还有一群人被困在家里,找不到工作. |
| 295 | You get out of college with thousands and thousands, over $60,000, $80,000 in debt, | 你和上千人 超过6万,8万元的债务 一起离开大学 |
| 296 | suing loans, no way to get that paid off. | 起诉贷款,没有办法得到偿还。 |
| 297 | You want to start a family, all of those things, | 你想建立一个家庭 所有这些事情, |
| 298 | the American dream, all of the things that are taught, that's going out the window. | 美国梦,所有被教导的东西,都从窗外流出. |
| 299 | It's hard to find full-time work. | 寻得全天工. |
| 300 | And then when you look at your older generation of folks | 然后当你看着你年长的一代人 |
| 301 | and you hear the health care kind of stuff like that, it doesn't give you a lot of | 你听到医疗 之类的东西, 它没有给你很多 |
| 302 | maybe we're doing the right stuff. | 也许我们做的是对的 |
| 303 | For me, it is also corruption. | 对我来说,这也是腐败。 |
| 304 | But | 不过 |
| 305 | for me, it's lack of equity. | 对我来说,这是缺乏公平。 |
| 306 | I mean, we never had it. | 我的意思是,我们从来没有它。 |
| 307 | We had been striving toward it, | 我们一直在努力争取它, |
| 308 | but we are now not. | 但我们现在不是了。 |
| 309 | And it's pretty sad because there's only a few that are getting, | 并且这相当可悲 因为只有几个正在得到, |
| 310 | I mean, we really are living in an era where just racism is rampant. | 我们生活在一个种族主义猖獗的时代。 |
| 311 | I mean, it is out there, | 我的意思是,这是在那里, |
| 312 | and it comes from the top. | 它来自顶部。 |
| 313 | It comes from our president, which he should have been elected | 这是来自我们的总统 他应该当选 |
| 314 | for all the people, but that is not what he espouses. | 对众人而言,这不是他所拥护的。 |
| 315 | And as far as morals, I don't think | 至于道德,我不认为 |
| 316 | that there is that in that office at all. | 在那个办公室里有这个 |
| 317 | People who have, I'm also retired military, | 那些人,我也是退役军人, |
| 318 | and I know for sure, I know for sure this is a fact. | 我知道,我肯定这是事实。 |
| 319 | It's not just what I think. | 不只是我想的那样 |
| 320 | It's that | 就是这样 |
| 321 | people who have worked, because if you are a black person that has been able to | 工作过的人, 因为如果你是一个黑人 能够 |
| 322 | accumulate some kind of success, you've had to work harder to even be considered equal. | 积累某种成功, 你不得不更努力地工作 甚至被视为平等。 |
| 323 | And that is the truth. | 这就是事实。 |
| 324 | And when you're speaking about a sort of sense that's coming from the top, | 当你在谈论某种感觉的时候, 从顶部, |
| 325 | does that mean when you're approaching these elections that your views of President Trump | 这是否意味着当你接近这些选举时 你对川普总统的看法 |
| 326 | are kind of your views of the whole Republican Party? | 你对整个共和党的看法吗? |
| 327 | Yeah, because they're not doing anything | 是啊,因为他们什么也没做 |
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| 329 | And I don't know why. | 我不知道为什么。 |
| 330 | This is not how it's supposed to work. | 这不是它应该如何工作。 |
| 331 | I mean, just going in | 我的意思是,只是进去 |
| 332 | and doing what you want, you are accountable. | 并做你想做的, 你负责。 |
| 333 | This is our nation. | 这是我们的国家。 |
| 334 | It is our White House. | 这是我们的白宫。 |
| 335 | It is not | 没有 |
| 336 | yours just because you're in it. | 你的只是因为你在里面。 |
| 337 | So yeah. | 对啊 |
| 338 | Kevin, what about you? | 凯文,你呢? |
| 339 | What are your | 你怎么样? |
| 340 | thoughts and views as you head to the polls? | 思考和观点 当你领导投票? |
| 341 | Well, I have all these same | 我也有这些 |
| 342 | uh feelings. | 感觉 |
| 343 | I may have a little different take on it. | 我也许有一点不同的想法 |
| 344 | I have many friends of mine | 我有许多朋友 |
| 345 | that have moved out of the country, either Caribbean or whatever work, | 无论是加勒比还是任何工作, |
| 346 | England, and they have free health care. | 英国,他们有免费的医疗保健。 |
| 347 | And yet they come back here to see doctors | 却回来看医生 |
| 348 | because our health care is better. | 因为我们的医疗保健更好。 |
| 349 | So it made me realize that we do have the best medical care. | 因此,它让我意识到,我们确实有最好的医疗。 |
| 350 | We don't have free medical care. | 我们没有免费的医疗服务。 |
| 351 | Nothing's free. | 无有是处. |
| 352 | Somebody's paying for it. | 有人付了钱 |
| 353 | But if you look at what | 但是,如果你看着什么 |
| 354 | if the government's doing it, I don't know. | 如果政府这样做,我不知道。 |
| 355 | And these guys could probably come up with a bunch of | 这些人可能会想出一堆 |
| 356 | them. | 他们。 |
| 357 | I don't know a lot of businesses that our government is running that's doing a great job. | 我不知道很多企业 我们的政府正在经营 这正在做一个伟大的工作。 |
| 358 | The post office loses money every year and they raise their fees every year. | 邮局每年亏损钱财,每年收费. |
| 359 | I don't know of one | 我不知道一个 |
| 360 | business and you guys can tell me what business they do. | 生意,你们可以告诉我 他们做什么生意。 |
| 361 | Minnesota, we're talking about fraud. | 明尼苏达州 我们在谈论欺诈 |
| 362 | We talked about inflation and inflation right now is 3.7 percent, which is higher than we want. | 我们谈论通货膨胀和通货膨胀 现在是3.7%, 这比我们想要的要高。 |
| 363 | If you look at the last 10 years, why Trump was in office the first term, | 如果你看过去10年,为什么特朗普在第一任任期, |
| 364 | his inflation went over 3 percent four months out of the four years. | 他的通胀率在四年里超过3% 4个月 |
| 365 | While he's been in office here, | 他在这里任职期间 |
| 366 | it's gone above 3 percent. | 它已经超过3%。 |
| 367 | I think it has been about eight to 10 months. | 我想已经八到十个月了 |
| 368 | But if you look at Biden's, he had four months out of his four years. | 但是如果你看看拜登的, 他有四个月的他的四年。 |
| 369 | It was under 3 percent. | 这是不到3%。 |
| 370 | I'm very, very concerned about immigration and what's going on. | 我非常,非常关心移民 和发生了什么事。 |
| 371 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 372 | I don't think that people realize that this is a slippery slope and that | 我不认为人们意识到 这是一个滑坡和 |
| 373 | and it should be realized because look what happened to those people in Minnesota. | 这应该实现 因为看看明尼苏达州那些人的遭遇 |
| 374 | Those | 这些 |
| 375 | were not immigrants. | 他们不是移民。 |
| 376 | Those were white Americans that were killed. | 那些是美国白人被杀的 |
| 377 | And that distresses me. | 这让我心烦意乱 |
| 378 | And | 还有 |
| 379 | for us to take people and deport them to a place that doesn't even, they don't even know anything | 带人去一个连都不知道的地方 |
| 380 | about, and we're paying for that? | 我们为此付出代价? |
| 381 | Where does that come from? | 从何而来. |
| 382 | Do you think though that there should be | 你觉得应该有 |
| 383 | enforcement of the rules? | 执行规则? |
| 384 | I guess that I, here's my thoughts on immigration. | 我想,我,这是我关于移民的想法。 |
| 385 | I do think that we | 我认为我们 |
| 386 | need to clean it up. | 需要清理干净 |
| 387 | We need to figure out how we can do a better job. | 我们需要想出怎样才能做得更好。 |
| 388 | And I do think that people who | 我确实认为人们谁 |
| 389 | are drug dealers and stuff like that, that needs to not come. | 是毒贩之类的东西, 不需要来。 |
| 390 | But people that are coming here, | 但来这的人 |
| 391 | I mean, they don't come here at no risk to themselves. | 他们不会冒任何风险来这 |
| 392 | I mean, do we not understand | 我的意思是,我们不明白 |
| 393 | what they go through to get here? | 他们经过什么 来到这里? |
| 394 | And I think we need to, I mean, and some of these people have | 我认为我们需要,我的意思是, 和其中一些人有 |
| 395 | been here for years and have caused no trouble, are working, have contributed. | 已经在这里多年了,没有造成任何麻烦,正在工作,已经作出了贡献。 |
| 396 | And look what | 看这个 |
| 397 | we're doing to them. | 我们正在对他们做。 |
| 398 | What are we doing to them? | 我们对他们做了什么? |
| 399 | We are taking them. | 我們要帶走他們。 |
| 400 | We're putting, we're detaining them. | 我们要把他们关起来 |
| 401 | But they've, they broke the law. | 但他们触犯了法律 |
| 402 | Separating them from their family. | 把他们和家人分开 |
| 403 | They broke the law. | 他们触犯了法律 |
| 404 | Separating? | 分离? |
| 405 | No, no, no, no. | 释曰. |
| 406 | Their family can go with them. | 他们的家人可以跟他们一起去 |
| 407 | No. | 没有 |
| 408 | They're not separated from their family. | 不离眷属. |
| 409 | No, they have been deported. | 不 他们已经被驱逐出境了 |
| 410 | Their family has said if you want to go with them, you don't have to be | 他们的家人说, 如果你想和他们一起去, 你不必是 |
| 411 | separated. | 分离。 |
| 412 | You can go with them. | 你可以跟他们一起去 |
| 413 | We'll pay for it. | 师便付. |
| 414 | I do think I agree with you. | 我觉得我同意你的意见 |
| 415 | He has done a good job | 他干得不错 |
| 416 | of stopping people from coming in. | 阻止人们进来 |
| 417 | I think it's for a variety of reasons, including they're scared | 我想是因为各种原因 包括他们害怕 |
| 418 | to death to come to America as illegals. | 以非法身份来美国 |
| 419 | And maybe that's his point and maybe that's your point. | 也许这就是他的观点 也许这就是你的观点 |
| 420 | But the point of killing people in Minnesota, that's wrong. | 但是在明尼苏达州杀人的症结是错的 |
| 421 | We're almost out of time because | 我们快没时间了 因为... |
| 422 | I don't want to keep you guys here all afternoon. | 我不想让你们 整个下午在这里。 |
| 423 | I love this. | 我喜欢这个 |
| 424 | This is how we get better as a country. | 这就是我们如何作为一个国家变得更好。 |
| 425 | This is how we get better. | 这就是我们如何变得更好。 |
| 426 | These conversations. | 这些对话。 |
| 427 | I agree with Adam. | 我同意亚当的观点。 |
| 428 | I agree with Adam in that | 我同意亚当的说法 |
| 429 | there is probably a very large portion of things that we agree upon. | 很可能有很多事情是我们同意的。 |
| 430 | The fringes of things are | 事物的边缘是 |
| 431 | different or the tactics we use to do those things, we would differ on those. | 和我们用来做这些事情的策略不同,我们对此有不同的看法。 |
| 432 | But I think | 但我觉得 |
| 433 | we agree on a lot of things. | 我们同意很多事情 |
| 434 | I think we agree a lot, but I think we have extremes. | 我认为我们同意很多, 但我认为我们有极端。 |
| 435 | I think we | 我觉得我们 |
| 436 | have extremes. | 有极端。 |
| 437 | And why do you think it's so difficult for people to have conversations like | 为何你觉得人们很难 谈话喜欢 |
| 438 | this? | 这个? |
| 439 | I think because if we have this conversation with a lot of people, let's say in this group, | 我认为,如果我们有这个对话 与很多人, 让我们说在这个小组, |
| 440 | they get upset with you and they end your friendship. | 他们生你的气,结束你的友谊。 |
| 441 | You want to talk with you. | 你想和你谈谈 |
| 442 | Do you think this year's midterm elections will bring any change? | 你认为今年的中期选举会带来任何变化吗? |
| 443 | We're going to get new leadership. | 我们要获得新的领导. |
| 444 | We're going to have new voices, new faces. | 我们将有新的声音,新的面孔。 |
| 445 | It will just off of | 它会刚刚关闭 |
| 446 | that alone. | 独自一人 |
| 447 | And people want change. | 人们想要改变。 |
| 448 | And so yeah, this midterm election cycle is going to be huge. | 所以,这个中期选举周期将会是巨大的。 |
| 449 | I think there's going to be a lot of big change. | 我认为会有很大的改变。 |
| 450 | No, because even if they do take the House and | 不,因为即使他们确实占领了议会 |
| 451 | Senate, you still had the president that can veto anything and you won't get a major majority | 元老院,你还有总统可以否决任何东西 却得不到多数 |
| 452 | over that. | 在那个上面。 |
| 453 | So until we can all just sit down and talk about what we agree on and what we can both | 所以,直到我们都能坐下来谈谈 我们同意什么,我们都可以 |
| 454 | Is that intractability part of the problem though? | 这是否是问题的一部分? |
| 455 | That intractability? | 这么难受? |
| 456 | Because no, | 因为没有 |
| 457 | not you, not you, but the House, the Senate, not being able to overcome to get seven people, | 不是你们,不是你们,而是众议院,参议院, 无法克服七个人, |
| 458 | let's say, to overcome a veto. | 让我们说,克服否决权。 |
| 459 | Like that intractability, and it's on both sides, | 就像那样的不可磨灭, 它在两边, |
| 460 | is on both sides. | 在两边。 |
| 461 | Look, I'm not sure in the last any six or seven presidents that we've had | 你看,我不确定 在过去的六七总统 我们有过 |
| 462 | somebody that can do that. | 一个人可以做到这一点。 |
| 463 | Bill Clinton did a good job with Newt Gingrich. | 比尔·克林顿与纽特·金里奇合作表现不错. |
| 464 | They did that a lot. | 他们做了很多。 |
| 465 | Since then, I don't know any. | 从此不识. |
| 466 | And so, and that's both sides. | 所以,这是两边。 |
| 467 | You guys say they're the bad guys. | 你们说他们是坏人 |
| 468 | We say you're the bad guys. | 我们说你们是坏人 |
| 469 | And let's all just get together and get along. | 且道众生合而共融. |
| 470 | You walk into my liquor forward and the first thing you're going to see is the American flag. | 你走进我的酒前 你将看到的第一件事是美国国旗。 |
| 471 | We are the greatest country in the world. | 我们是世界上最伟大的国家。 |
| 472 | Everyone is welcome in my store at all times. | 我店里随时欢迎每个人 |
| 473 | And I don't | 我没有 |
| 474 | feel like we're maintaining that as a country. | 感觉我们作为一个国家在保持这种状态 |
| 475 | Everyone is welcome. | 大家欢迎 |
| 476 | Everyone is part of this. | 每个人都是其中的一部分。 |
| 477 | This could well come down to turnout. | 这很可能是投票率。 |
| 478 | Are the Democrats, are the unaffiliated voters, | 民主党人,是没有归属关系的选民, |
| 479 | are the really frustrated Republicans more fired up and more prepared to turn out and vote for the | 真正沮丧的共和党人 更紧张 更准备 出来投票支持 |
| 480 | Democratic Senate candidate than Republicans are? | 比共和党更民主的参议院候选人? |
| 481 | So President Trump, as he likes to say, | 所以特朗普总统喜欢说 |
| 482 | he's not on the ballot himself, but really urging Republican voters to come out and vote. | 他没有亲自参加投票,但真的敦促共和党选民出来投票. |
| 483 | If they don't, dissatisfaction and disenchantment with the president's policies | 如果他们不这样做,对总统的政策 不满和失望 |
| 484 | could cause a blue wave to crash through this deep red heartland. | 可能让蓝色的波浪 穿过这个深红色的心脏地带 |
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