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| 0:00 | Could I just begin by asking how you are after the events of last week? | 我能不能先问一下你上周的事之后怎么样? |
| 0:05 | How you reflect on what happened? | 你怎么思考发生了什么? |
| 0:08 | Each week is not simple for us, for all our country and not only for me personally, | 对我们来说,对我们所有的国家来说,每个星期都不简单,不仅对我个人来说, |
| 0:15 | for all the Ukrainians, so thank you so much. | 感谢所有的乌克兰人, 所以非常感谢你。 |
| 0:18 | Thanks to partners, our European partners, | 感谢伙伴们,我们的欧洲伙伴们, |
| 0:22 | including UK, of course we were thankful for the support, the unity what Europe demonstrated. | 包括英国在内,我们当然感谢欧洲表现出的支持和团结。 |
| 0:28 | Last week was very important after some challenges and now we see that the support | 上星期在遇到一些挑战之后非常重要,现在我们看到,支持 |
| 0:35 | of the American side came back, not in all the directions, but it's on the way. | 美国方面回来,不是在所有方向,但它在路上。 |
| 0:41 | We hope so that it will work. | 我们希望它能够奏效。 |
| 0:43 | So personally, how you can be during the war? | 那么,个人,你怎么能 在战争期间? |
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| 1 | Could I just begin by asking how you are after the events of last week? | 我能不能先问一下你上周的事之后怎么样? |
| 2 | How you reflect on what happened? | 你怎么思考发生了什么? |
| 3 | Each week is not simple for us, for all our country and not only for me personally, | 对我们来说,对我们所有的国家来说,每个星期都不简单,不仅对我个人来说, |
| 4 | for all the Ukrainians, so thank you so much. | 感谢所有的乌克兰人, 所以非常感谢你。 |
| 5 | Thanks to partners, our European partners, | 感谢伙伴们,我们的欧洲伙伴们, |
| 6 | including UK, of course we were thankful for the support, the unity what Europe demonstrated. | 包括英国在内,我们当然感谢欧洲表现出的支持和团结。 |
| 7 | Last week was very important after some challenges and now we see that the support | 上星期在遇到一些挑战之后非常重要,现在我们看到,支持 |
| 8 | of the American side came back, not in all the directions, but it's on the way. | 美国方面回来,不是在所有方向,但它在路上。 |
| 9 | We hope so that it will work. | 我们希望它能够奏效。 |
| 10 | So personally, how you can be during the war? | 那么,个人,你怎么能 在战争期间? |
| 11 | Is the relationship with the US back or does it feel rocky? | 与美国的关系是恢复了 还是感觉很不稳定? |
| 12 | No, I mean it's not simple, because the US is a big country and they are strategic partners | 不,我的意思是不简单, 因为美国是一个大国, 他们是战略伙伴 |
| 13 | for all Europeans, including Ukraine of course, and we have different discussions ahead | 当然,对于包括乌克兰在内的所有欧洲人,我们还有不同的讨论 |
| 14 | and different views on very sensitive topics as security for Ukraine and the attitude to Russia | 关于乌克兰的安全和对俄罗斯的态度等非常敏感的议题的不同意见 |
| 15 | and personally to Putin as support of air defence, including Patriots connection like Starlink | 并亲自前往普京,作为空中防卫的支持,包括像Starlink这样的爱国者联系 |
| 16 | and a lot of different things. | 和很多不同的东西。 |
| 17 | So we have sometimes different views, but in any way | 所以有时我们有不同的看法 但无论如何 |
| 18 | we are thankful that we have bipartisan support, big support from American nation. | 我们感激我们得到两党的支持, 得到美国的支持。 |
| 19 | By the way, I'm very proud that we built strong relations between our country during these years of war. | 顺便说一句,我非常自豪的是,我们在这几年的战争中建立了我们国家之间的牢固关系. |
| 20 | Do you feel supported by President Trump? | 你觉得得到川普总统的支持吗? |
| 21 | Look, President Trump really wants to end this war and he always raises this topic | 川普总统真的想结束这场战争 他总是提出这个话题 |
| 22 | and of course we are on the same side when we speak about the terms of ending this war. | 当我们谈论结束这场战争的条件时,我们当然是站在同一一边的。 |
| 23 | Yes, we see different instruments because my philosophy is a little bit another. | 是的,我们看到不同的乐器 因为我的哲学是另一部分。 |
| 24 | My philosophy is that Putin is a deeply Soviet person and in his reality and in his mentality | 我的哲学是普京是一个深刻的苏联人 在他的现实和心态中 |
| 25 | and we understand it because we've all been born, not all, but my generation we've been born in Soviet Union | 我们理解它,因为我们都是出生的,不是所有, 但我的一代,我们出生在苏联 |
| 26 | in Ukraine at the period of USSR. | 苏联时期的乌克兰。 |
| 27 | So we understand this mentality. | 所以我们了解这种心态。 |
| 28 | That's why when Putin is sharing some, I don't know, some narratives and when he's lying we see it, feel it. | 这就是为什么当普京分享一些, 我不知道,一些叙事, 当他撒谎的时候,我们看到它,感受它。 |
| 29 | Yes, we understand this mentality, we understand because we are so many years neighbours. | 是的,我们理解这种心态,我们理解因为我们是这么多年的邻居。 |
| 30 | Yes, and that's why I think that we understand Russians more, how to say it, more clear than the United States. | 是的,这就是为什么我认为我们更了解俄罗斯人, 如何说,比美国更清楚。 |
| 31 | The United States from the point of the world security can share with Russians different topics and etc. | 从世界安全的角度,美国可以与俄罗斯人分享不同的话题等. |
| 32 | But we understand the mentality of Putin and of Russians and Russian soldiers and their civilians | 但我们理解普京以及俄罗斯人和俄国士兵及其平民的心态 |
| 33 | when they are ready to do something and when they are really, really afraid of any kind of Putin messages | 当他们准备做点什么, 当他们真的,真的害怕 任何类型的普京信息 |
| 34 | because they understand that they will be in prison otherwise. | 因为他们知道 否则他们会在监狱里。 |
| 35 | So if they will not go and kill us, I mean the same format of sanctions will be from Putin to them. | 所以,如果他们不去杀我们,我指的是同样的制裁形式将从普京到他们。 |
| 36 | So this is where we have different views. | 这就是我们观点不同的地方。 |
| 37 | So that's why I think that in some topics, of course, the President supports it | 所以我认为在某些议题上 总统当然支持 |
| 38 | and in some topics, as I said, we see different views. | 正如我所说,在某些议题上,我们看到不同的观点。 |
| 39 | It can't be, can it, that President Trump wants to end this war, but it appears that he wants to end it | 川普总统想结束这场战争 但似乎他想结束这场战争 |
| 40 | whether that is at Ukraine's expense or not and it can't be at Ukraine's expense | 不论这是否以乌克兰为代价 也不可能以乌克兰为代价 |
| 41 | because it doesn't just affect Ukraine, it affects Europe and beyond. | 因为它不仅影响乌克兰, 也影响欧洲和其他地区。 |
| 42 | Of course, President Trump wants to end this war. | 当然,川普总统希望结束这场战争. |
| 43 | I mean, first, he is speaking about it, yes, and spoke | 我的意思是,首先,他正在谈论它,是的,并说 |
| 44 | and of course, politically, he is interested in it, I'm sure. | 当然,在政治上,他很感兴趣 |
| 45 | And I really, I hope that his team, very honest when they invest to negotiations, yes, to this topic. | 我真的希望,他的团队, 当他们投入谈判时, 非常诚实,是的,对于这个话题。 |
| 46 | So we count on it. | 因此,我们指望它。 |
| 47 | Of course, I mean, this without hope, nobody can live. | 当然,我的意思是,没有希望,没有人能活着。 |
| 48 | But of course, the price is very high for Ukraine because if the price to negotiate just and pay for this | 当然,对乌克兰来说价格非常高 因为如果谈判的代价 和为此付出的代价 |
| 49 | and payment will be on the table of Ukraine, yes, it's not fair and we are not ready for this. | 而报酬将摆在乌克兰的桌面上,是的,这是不公平的,我们还没有准备好这样做。 |
| 50 | We are ready to speak, we are ready for negotiations, any kind of format, even we are ready to speak about | 我们准备发言,我们准备进行谈判,任何一种形式,甚至我们愿意谈论 |
| 51 | any kind of topics, sensitive topics for us and I'm sure not fair, not fair even to discuss some topics, | 任何话题,敏感的话题 对我们来说,我敢肯定,不公平, 即使讨论一些话题, |
| 52 | but we are ready because I don't want to show that we are stopping some negotiation process, etc. | 但是,我们准备好了,因为我不想显示 我们正在停止一些谈判过程,等等。 |
| 53 | But we need the United States in the middle. | 但我们需要美国在中间。 |
| 54 | It's important to have a strategic partner in the middle. | 中外战略伙伴很重要. |
| 55 | Winston Churchill famously said that when you are going through hell, you just have to keep going. | 温斯顿 丘吉尔有名的说,当你经历地狱的时候,你只需要继续前进. |
| 56 | You talked just a moment ago about hope. | 你刚才谈到希望 |
| 57 | I wonder last week whether or not that hope was slightly dented by what happened. | 上周,我想知道,这一希望是否因所发生的事情而略微破灭。 |
| 58 | I think we all feel it very personally, what is going on and what we are seeing. | 我认为,我们所有人都非常亲身感受到,正在发生什么,正在看到什么。 |
| 59 | It was very refreshing to see you talk last week so openly. | 看到你上周这么公开地说话真是令人振奋 |
| 60 | I think we look to our other leaders across Europe to do exactly the same. | 我认为,我们期待我们整个欧洲的其他领导人也这样做。 |
| 61 | This is one of our weapons to speak honestly and to be open and to be clear and not to play games with our partners. | 这是我们能诚实地说话,开诚布公,讲清楚,不和我们的伙伴玩游戏的武器之一. |
| 62 | That's why this is my rule and I try to be in this direction and of course if a lot of pressure on Ukraine at this moment, | 这就是为什么这是我的规矩 我试图朝这个方向走 当然如果现在乌克兰承受很大压力 |
| 63 | of course I have to be more loud and I will be because it's a part of our defending strategy between us. | 当然,我必须更大声,我会是,因为它是我们之间防御战略的一部分。 |
| 64 | So it's understandable. | 所以这是可以理解的。 |
| 65 | We are not trying to be somebody because I always try to give the source what we are thinking about, | 我们不是想成为某个人 因为我总是想给源头我们的想法 |
| 66 | what is very sensitive again, what is very dangerous. | 是什么非常敏感,什么非常危险。 |
| 67 | If I feel the dangerous things can come or are coming for Ukraine, | 如果我觉得危险的东西会来或会来乌克兰 |
| 68 | of course I have to defend my country and I do what I can. | 当然,我必须保卫国家,尽我所能。 |
| 69 | Our guys, our soldiers on the battlefield, people work and me like a president, | 我们的人,我们的士兵在战场上, 人们工作,我像一个总统, |
| 70 | I have to use all kinds of formats of diplomacy. | 我必须使用各种外交形式。 |
| 71 | So given everything that happened last week and given your openness and you have to take a stand, | 所以鉴于上星期发生的一切 以及你的开诚布公 并且你必须表明立场 |
| 72 | do you feel that Europe and the UK last week went far enough in speaking up? | 你觉得上周欧洲和英国说得够多了吗? |
| 73 | Andy Burnham, our Prime Minister, | 安迪·伯纳姆 我们的总理 |
| 74 | said that he had complete solidarity with Ukraine, which is welcome. | 他说,他完全声援乌克兰,这是值得欢迎的。 |
| 75 | That's true. | 没错 |
| 76 | But do you want and hope and expect other European leaders, our Prime Minister, to just go a bit further and just call it out for what it is? | 但是,你是否希望并期望其他欧洲领导人,我们的总理,只是走得更远一点,并且直呼其为什么? |
| 77 | It's not my suggestion to them. | 这不是我对他们的建议。 |
| 78 | It cannot be. | 这不可能。 |
| 79 | I mean, they have their internal policy and challenges. | 我的意思是,他们有 他们的内部政策和挑战。 |
| 80 | First, I'm very thankful to Andy personally, because after all these things, these challenges, difficult nights, very tough nights for our people. | 首先,我非常感激安迪个人, 因为经过所有这些事情, 这些挑战, 艰难的夜晚, 非常艰难的夜晚 我们的人民。 |
| 81 | He reacted very quickly and some other Europeans. | 他反应很快,还有一些欧洲人。 |
| 82 | I'm thankful that I had also an EU meeting with all the EU leaders. | 我很感激我还和所有欧盟领导人举行了一次欧盟会议。 |
| 83 | So I'm in this. | 所以,我在这个。 |
| 84 | I had feeling of the support. | 我有一种支持的感觉。 |
| 85 | I'm thankful. | 我很感谢 |
| 86 | But can they be more direct? | 但他们能更直接吗? |
| 87 | Yes, they can. | 是的,他们可以。 |
| 88 | But I mean, I'm thankful. | 但我是说,我很感激。 |
| 89 | Yes, absolutely. | 是的,当然。 |
| 90 | But that's the thing, isn't it? | 但这就是问题所在,不是吗? |
| 91 | They can be more direct. | 他们可以更直接。 |
| 92 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 93 | Yes, but I'm not on their places. | 是的,但我不在他们的地方。 |
| 94 | I mean, I can't, as I said, I can speak only about myself. | 我的意思是,我不能,正如我所说的, 我只能谈论自己。 |
| 95 | And I don't want between us to lose the support of Europeans. | 我不想失去欧洲人的支持 |
| 96 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 97 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 98 | This is where we are. | 这就是我们的位置。 |
| 99 | Do you think that whenever Ukraine makes progress, when the momentum shifts towards Kiev, something always seems to happen to pull you back? | 你是否认为,每当乌克兰取得进展,当势头转向基辅时,总有事情会把你拉回去? |
| 100 | Take Stalin, for example, last week. | 比如说,上周斯大林。 |
| 101 | Ukraine is making progress, not just on the front line, but economically and hitting Russia. | 乌克兰正在取得进展,不仅在前线,而且在经济上和打击俄罗斯。 |
| 102 | And you seem to be hitting the pressure points of Putin. | 你似乎正在达到普京的压力点。 |
| 103 | But the moment Ukraine makes progress, something happens. | 但一旦乌克兰取得进展,情况就会发生。 |
| 104 | No, I mean, this in any way, it has influence in any way we it's it's always very difficult. | 不,我的意思是,这无论如何, 它有影响 在任何方面,我们 它总是非常困难。 |
| 105 | You know how how to begin each day, how to start each day with the feeling that you are starting from the very beginning. | 你知道如何从每天开始, 如何从每天开始 感觉你从一开始。 |
| 106 | And of course, when you go with a spit and when you have good results on the battlefield and when you are chilling with these challenges, | 当然,当你吐口水, 当你在战场上有好结果, 当你在面对这些挑战时, |
| 107 | with these sheikhs, Iranian drones, etc., when you at least found the recipe, when you find the recipe, something goes on, | 与这些酋长,伊朗无人机等, 当你至少找到食谱, 当你找到食谱, |
| 108 | which is which doesn't depend on us. | 这不取决于我们 |
| 109 | And of course, it has influence. | 当然,它有影响。 |
| 110 | Of course, it's not helpful. | 当然,这没有帮助。 |
| 111 | So I don't know if it's coincident or not. | 故不知其有无合. |
| 112 | But for me and for our people, it doesn't matter between us. | 但对于我和我们的人来说,我们之间并不重要. |
| 113 | Coincident or not, it doesn't help. | 偶然与否,无济于事. |
| 114 | If it's coincident, OK, move it, move it to the right direction. | 如果它是巧合,OK,移动它,移动它向正确的方向。 |
| 115 | So you talk about the recipe, the oil refineries being hit, the data centers being hit. | 所以,你谈到食谱,炼油厂被击中,数据中心被击中。 |
| 116 | Is that the recipe? | 这是食谱吗? |
| 117 | Have you found at the moment a recipe that is causing proper damage? | 你有没有发现一个食谱 造成适当的损害? |
| 118 | Really, we try to respond and people they didn't see that during long period of time, Russia attacked and our data and they've been they made a lot of cyber attacks and et cetera. | 真的,我们试图做出回应,而人们却看不到, 在很长一段时间里,俄罗斯攻击了我们的数据, 他们做了很多网络攻击等等。 |
| 119 | When we found a way how to make weaker Russia's strategy, when we found that we need refineries or to respond after their attacks on our energy network | 当我们找到一种方法 使俄罗斯的战略更弱 当我们发现我们需要炼油厂 或在他们袭击我们的能源网络后作出反应 |
| 120 | or data after their attacks, by the way, to data, we have the difference. | 或者说他们攻击后的数据, 顺便说一句,到数据,我们有区别。 |
| 121 | We are more technological. | 我们的技术更强。 |
| 122 | That's why when they attacked our data, they did it so many times. | 这就是为什么当他们攻击我们的数据, 他们做了这么多次。 |
| 123 | But we had connection, we had mobile connection, we had Internet and et cetera, because we are very decentralized from the point of digital. | 但是,我们有连接,我们有移动连接,我们有互联网等等, 因为从数字角度来说,我们非常分散。 |
| 124 | So because we are new, we are very new in it. | 因为我们是新人,我们是新人。 |
| 125 | And for Russia, it's more painful because I mean, this so they're not so decentralized. | 对于俄罗斯来说,这更痛苦,因为我的意思是, 这样他们才不会被分散。 |
| 126 | They have they have another strategy. | 他们有另一个策略 |
| 127 | They have a lot of air defense. | 他们有很多防空武器 |
| 128 | That's why they are just defending what they have. | 这就是为什么他们只是捍卫 他们所拥有的。 |
| 129 | And we don't have too much air defense because of because of our technology and because of the partners. | 而且我们没有太多的防空 因为我们的技术 和合作伙伴。 |
| 130 | We have deficit with it. | 我们缺乏它。 |
| 131 | That's why we decentralized everything, not only data, a lot of different things. | 这就是为什么我们分散了一切, 不仅仅是数据, 很多不同的东西。 |
| 132 | This is our difference. | 这是我们的区别。 |
| 133 | But really between us, we we try to respond. | 但实际上我们之间,我们试图作出反应。 |
| 134 | This is our, I think, right strategy that we always try to respond only after that same or similar attacks on us. | 我认为,这是我们始终试图在同样或类似袭击我们之后作出反应的正确战略。 |
| 135 | Given what happened last week, given that there are trilateral talks planned for next month, I wonder whether or not you think we're closer to peace or closer to escalation. | 鉴于上星期发生的情况,鉴于下个月计划进行三边会谈,我想知道你是否认为我们更接近和平,还是更接近升级。 |
| 136 | It's hard to tell, isn't it? | 这很难说,不是吗? |
| 137 | Very hard to answer. | 非常难回答。 |
| 138 | I mean, everything in this war depends on on the will and different moment will of different countries or leaders. | 我的意思是,这场战争的一切取决于不同国家或领导人的意愿和不同的时刻. |
| 139 | For example, we are thankful for negotiation group. | 例如,我们感谢谈判小组。 |
| 140 | We had meeting in Oslo and American team came with some ideas what we need not to make pauses. | 我们在奥斯陆开会,美国小组提出了一些想法,我们不需要暂停。 |
| 141 | So if you really your will is really to push Russians to ceasefire energy, not energy, full ceasefire and can do any kind of escalation. | 所以,如果你真的意志是真正地把俄国人推向停火能量,而不是能量,完全停火,并且可以做任何一种升级. |
| 142 | Let me say this way. | 让我这样说 |
| 143 | So if you don't need pauses, you make to make steps. | 所以,如果你不需要暂停, 你做出步骤。 |
| 144 | Yes, each day, each two days, meetings, decisions, technical groups, decisions, no nothing, just words without any outcomes. | 是的,每天,每两天,会议,决定,技术小组,决定,什么都没有,只是言语,没有任何结果. |
| 145 | For example, we decided this day tomorrow have meeting in Brussels. | 例如,我们决定明天在布鲁塞尔开会。 |
| 146 | Americans invited us. | 美国人邀请我们。 |
| 147 | They have to focus on it if they invite us. | 如果他们邀请我们的话,他们必须集中精力。 |
| 148 | So we are busy people, all of us, of course, because because of the war. | 当然,我们都是忙碌的人, 因为战争。 |
| 149 | For example, they invited but tomorrow they can't. | 比如,他们邀请了,但明天他们不能。 |
| 150 | Yeah, they invited. | 是啊,他们邀请。 |
| 151 | Now they they postponed it. | 现在他们推迟了 |
| 152 | No questions to them. | 没有问题给他们。 |
| 153 | I have I mean, this important things much more important here. | 我的意思是,这个重要的事情 这里更重要。 |
| 154 | Yes, then to go is to and to is to spend a day to come to Brussels because you know it. | 是的,那么去是去 并且是花一天来布鲁塞尔 因为你知道它。 |
| 155 | Yes, train, jet, jet train. | 是的,火车,飞机,飞机。 |
| 156 | Yeah, but they postponed it to some other days. | 是的,但他们推迟了 某天。 |
| 157 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 158 | Because there are some tensions around Middle East. | 因为中东周围有一些紧张局势。 |
| 159 | So it's I mean, we are thankful to them that they are ready to organize meeting trilateral. | 所以,我的意思是,我们感谢他们, 他们准备组织三边会议。 |
| 160 | But the answer if you want to end this war, you have to focus on it. | 但是,如果想结束这场战争,你就必须专注于它. |
| 161 | I'm not trying to push them to find their priority. | 我不是想逼他们找到他们的优先 |
| 162 | But if you already decided that priorities Middle East, you have to know that you will. | 但是,如果你已经决定了中东的优先事项, 你必须知道,你会的。 |
| 163 | I mean, this you will make this piece this peaceful process slow. | 我的意思是,这个你会 使这个和平过程缓慢。 |
| 164 | And this is what what I have. | 这就是我拥有的。 |
| 165 | I hope that we will find a way and then the nearest closest days our teams or our NSA will meet. | 我希望我们能找到办法,然后是我们小组或国家安全局最近的一天。 |
| 166 | But as I said, that a United States is focusing on Middle East. | 但是,正如我所说的那样,美国正在集中关注中东。 |
| 167 | How frustrating is that that publicly you have a president who says he wants to end the war | 多么令人沮丧的是,公开 你有一个总统 谁说他想结束战争 |
| 168 | and he wants to do it really, really quickly. | 他非常,非常,非常的快。 |
| 169 | And then a meeting that is set up in Brussels then gets postponed. | 然后在布鲁塞尔安排的会议被推迟。 |
| 170 | No, no, it's I mean, this is postponed. | 不 不 我是说 推迟了 |
| 171 | I don't know, one day, two days. | 我不知道,一天,两天。 |
| 172 | I hope I'm just sharing with you my feeling. | 我希望我只是跟你分享我的感受 |
| 173 | Yeah, if we decided we have to do it, if we decided to meet, we need outcome. | 是啊,如果我们决定我们必须这样做, 如果我们决定见面,我们需要结果。 |
| 174 | If we don't have outcomes, it's not right infrastructure what we do. | 如果我们没有结果, 我们做的基础设施是不正确的。 |
| 175 | Then I hope we will have meeting trilateral meeting is good in November. | 那么,我希望我们在11月举行三边会议。 |
| 176 | I don't know, hope yourself of November, not the second. | 我不知道,希望自己是十一月,而不是第二个 |
| 177 | But we will see a lot of things now depend on American elections situation in the Middle East. | 但我们现在将看到很多事情取决于美国在中东的选举情况。 |
| 178 | Do you think the American elections could be quite a significant moment for what comes next? | 你觉得美国选举对于接下来的事情会是一个重大的时刻吗? |
| 179 | I think everyone's waiting, aren't they, for the midterms and to see what happens next? | 我想每个人都在等待,不是吗, 等待中期,看看接下来会发生什么? |
| 180 | No, of course, it will have influence in any way. | 不,当然,它有 以任何方式的影响。 |
| 181 | In what way do you think you'll have influence in terms of curtailing? | 你觉得你对减肥有什么影响? |
| 182 | We understand that. | 我们理解这一点。 |
| 183 | I mean, this what the situation will be in Senate, in Congress. | 我是说,这是参议院,国会的情况 |
| 184 | I think we will have this result after these elections. | 我认为,我们将在选举之后取得这一结果。 |
| 185 | And of course, it will have influence on a lot of different things, including Ukraine, including the war in Ukraine, | 当然,它会影响很多不同的事物, 包括乌克兰的战争, |
| 186 | including to attitude to Russians and different deals with them. | 包括对待俄罗斯人的态度和与他们不同的交易。 |
| 187 | So I think that we will see. | 因此,我认为我们将看到。 |
| 188 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 189 | I mean, but changes are understandable. | 我的意思是,但变化是可以理解的。 |
| 190 | Do you think at the moment you have Trump's support? | 你觉得你现在有川普的支持吗? |
| 191 | Do you trust him? | 你相信他吗? |
| 192 | Can you trust him, given everything that he said? | 你能相信他吗? |
| 193 | Look, I mean, it's not about something personal. | 听着,我的意思是,它不是 有关个人的东西。 |
| 194 | No, of course, of course. | 不,当然,当然。 |
| 195 | But we need we need we trust Americans, Americans and bipartisan support. | 但我们需要我们信任美国人,美国人和两党的支持. |
| 196 | And we're thankful to administration. | 我们感谢政府。 |
| 197 | And now they made it made a deal with managed this problem with starlings and intelligence. | 现在他们做了一个交易 解决这个问题 与星海和智能。 |
| 198 | And I have to be thankful. | 我必须感谢。 |
| 199 | I don't want to lose this. | 我不想失去这个。 |
| 200 | I think that you understand me. | 我认为你理解我 |
| 201 | Yeah, but but we need more. | 是的 但我们需要更多 |
| 202 | We need more support. | 我们需要更多的支持。 |
| 203 | We need not to have any kind of questions with with our with our administration, | 我们不需要和我们的政府有任何问题 |
| 204 | because they have to be on our side because Russia is aggressive. | 因为他们必须站在我们一边 因为俄国是侵略性的 |
| 205 | And with all respect, with all these mediation, of course, to mediate, you need to have a position, | 恕我直言,在所有这些调解下, 调解,你需要一个职位, |
| 206 | a position when you mediate to be in the middle, | 当你们调解的时候, |
| 207 | but not to be in the middle of your attitude to this war, | 但不要站在你对这场战争的态度中间, |
| 208 | because everything is clear who is aggressive. | 因为所有事情都清楚谁是攻击性的。 |
| 209 | This is important not to change your position because of your mediation. | 这很重要,不能因为你的调解而改变你的立场。 |
| 210 | This is very important. | 这很重要。 |
| 211 | You talked earlier about will and willpower. | 你之前说过意志和意志的力量 |
| 212 | It's all about the will. | 皆是义意. |
| 213 | Yeah, it's all about the will. | 是啊,这是所有关于意志。 |
| 214 | Do you think that President Trump has? | 你认为川普总统有吗? |
| 215 | I mean, the indications are that he's chosen a side. | 我的意思是,迹象表明 他选择了一边。 |
| 216 | He's certainly more towards Moscow is certainly his attitude. | 他肯定更喜欢莫斯科 肯定是他的态度 |
| 217 | And the comments that he's made in the last week suggest so. | 而他上周发表的评论也暗示了这一点. |
| 218 | I don't think you can get away from that. | 我不认为你可以逃脱。 |
| 219 | And you said you said last week that he's on the wrong side of history. | 你说你上星期说过 他站在历史错误的一边 |
| 220 | I think that concerns a lot of people that the way things are heading, | 我觉得这关系到很多人 事情的走向, |
| 221 | he seems to be very much picking a side, which I don't know. | 他似乎很挑剔, 我不知道。 |
| 222 | It's my point of view. | 这是我的观点。 |
| 223 | And it's not suggestions to president of the United States. | 这不是对美国总统的建议 |
| 224 | Yes, I'm sure that at the end of the days, | 是的,我相信 在最后的日子, |
| 225 | Putin with the beginning of this aggression, of course, will lose. | 普京在这场侵略开始时,当然会输。 |
| 226 | And of course, it of course, it depends what way, | 当然,当然,它取决于什么方式, |
| 227 | what format will he see it and when? | 他看到什么形式,什么时候? |
| 228 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 229 | I mean, it's up to different details. | 我的意思是,这是不同的细节。 |
| 230 | Yes, but he was wrong. | 是的 但他错了 |
| 231 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 232 | He brought the aggression and the big war, full scale war in Europe. | 他带来了侵略和大战,欧洲的全面战争. |
| 233 | He brought it personally. | 他亲自带来的 |
| 234 | It was his personal Putin's personal attitude to Ukraine. | 这是普京个人对乌克兰的个人态度. |
| 235 | He hates us, then doesn't respect and he never it's true. | 他恨我们,然后不尊重 和他从来没有是真的。 |
| 236 | And now he's more open and more clear. | 现在他更加开放和清晰。 |
| 237 | The only things what is what is understandable during the war that he began | 唯一能理解的是他发动的战争 |
| 238 | and became to be very, very clear that he really doesn't respect our sovereignty | 变得非常,非常清楚 他真的不尊重我们的主权 |
| 239 | and territory integrity. | 领土完整。 |
| 240 | He thinks that all our territory is his territory | 他认为我们所有的领地都是他的领地 |
| 241 | and his personal goal to occupied us and to destroy the other thing | 以及他占领我们 摧毁其他东西的个人目标 |
| 242 | that he will not be able to do this. | 他将无法做到这一点。 |
| 243 | And partially, of course, because of the support of the partners. | 当然,部分是因为合作伙伴的支持。 |
| 244 | And that's why I think United States, our strong partner, | 这就是为什么我认为,美国, 我们强大的伙伴, |
| 245 | if they know, if they understand that his goal to occupy us and to destroy | 如果他们知道,如果他们明白 他的目标 占领和摧毁我们 |
| 246 | they can't be in all the process in the middle or can't be even if it's | 他们不能在中间的所有过程中 或不能是即使它是 |
| 247 | the position and the decision to be in the middle, they can't be on Putin's side | 他们不能站在普京一边 |
| 248 | because he is aggressor. | 因为他是侵略者。 |
| 249 | United States and the president can't be on the side of aggressor. | 美国和总统不能站在侵略者的一边. |
| 250 | Doesn't matter what the country we are speaking about. | 我们所说的国家不重要 |
| 251 | Just because they are leaders of democracy. | 因为他们是民主的领导人。 |
| 252 | He can't be, surely. | 他不可能,当然。 |
| 253 | But is he? | 是吗? |
| 254 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 255 | Have you spoken to him since last week? | 你上周就跟他说过话了吗? |
| 256 | No, we didn't speak. | 不,我们没有说话。 |
| 257 | I know he always said to me that he is very supportive that this war will end. | 我知道他总是对我说 他非常支持这场战争将会结束 |
| 258 | And he always clearly said to me that he thinks that Putin, | 他总是对我说,他认为普京, |
| 259 | I mean, we need to find the key, how to stop this war. | 我的意思是,我们需要找到关键, 如何停止这场战争。 |
| 260 | But then publicly he shows and demonstrated his good relations with Putin. | 但随后他公开展示并展示了他与普京的良好关系. |
| 261 | And of course, if I think so, I don't know. | 当然,如果我这么认为,我不知道。 |
| 262 | But I think if he demonstrates great relations with Putin and Putin can see it | 但我认为,如果他表现出 伟大的关系与普京和普京 |
| 263 | and I mean this in media and of course Putin will also say that everything is okay. | 当然普京也会说一切都很好。 |
| 264 | So, I mean, there's no pressure, no strong signals from the United States | 所以,我的意思是,没有压力, 没有强烈的信号来自美国 |
| 265 | mean that he is doing well. | 他表现得很好 |
| 266 | So everything, we don't hear very often. | 所以,一切,我们不经常听到。 |
| 267 | We don't hear condemnation of aggression. | 我们没有听到对侵略的谴责. |
| 268 | We need it. | 我们需要它。 |
| 269 | Just like people. | 就像人一样 |
| 270 | Yes, we need it. | 是的,我们需要它。 |
| 271 | Can I ask a very direct question? | 我可以问一个非常直接的问题吗? |
| 272 | Absolutely not. | 绝对不是。 |
| 273 | Any direct question. | 任何直接的问题。 |
| 274 | In the theme of being absolutely direct about it, has the world already entered the next world war? | 在绝对直截了当的主题中,世界是否已经进入了下一次世界大战? |
| 275 | I think no. | 我认为没有。 |
| 276 | I think that because people, when they speak about a world war, | 我认为因为人们在谈论一场世界大战时 |
| 277 | that world war will include all the possibilities and capabilities of Russia or other big countries. | 世界战争将包括俄罗斯或其他大国的一切可能性和能力。 |
| 278 | Yes, including nuclear and etc. | 是的,包括核等。 |
| 279 | So I think that, of course, it's dangerous. | 所以,我认为,当然,这是危险的。 |
| 280 | But it's again about one person. | 但又约一人. |
| 281 | I think that it's very dangerous for Russia to use nuclear weapon for Putin | 我认为俄罗斯为普京使用核武器是非常危险的 |
| 282 | because it will be his personal decision. | 因为这是他个人的决定。 |
| 283 | And it's understandable that the target will be Russia after that. | 并且可以理解的是,之后的目标将是俄罗斯. |
| 284 | For the world, the target will be Russia, not only Putin. | 对世界来说,目标将是俄罗斯,而不仅仅是普京. |
| 285 | How close? | 有多远? |
| 286 | Because they will understand that, look, if this person used nuclear, | 因为他们会明白,你看, 如果这个人使用了核, |
| 287 | yes, so we need to do everything not to see this person anytime | 是的,所以我们需要做一切 不见这个人随时 |
| 288 | and people around him and the circle of people who decided to destroy the world. | 他身边的人 以及决定毁灭世界的人的圈子 |
| 289 | So it's more than Ukraine. | 因此它比乌克兰还要多. |
| 290 | For me, my world is Ukraine, for all of us. | 对我来说,我的世界是乌克兰,是我们所有人。 |
| 291 | But the world is bigger, much more bigger. | 但是,世界是更大的, 更大的。 |
| 292 | And the danger of Russia is bigger than to destroy Ukraine, much more bigger. | 而俄罗斯的危险比摧毁乌克兰更大,要大得多. |
| 293 | That's why he's trying, you know, feeling, I mean, he tries to check, to test everything | 这就是为什么他尝试,你知道,感觉, 我的意思是,他试图检查,测试一切 |
| 294 | and to test everybody. | 测试每个人 |
| 295 | That's why I said that we need, and you said, what about the clear answers from other people? | 这就是为什么我说我们需要,而你说, 那其他人的明确答案呢? |
| 296 | Yes, immediately, I think this is important. | 是的,立即,我认为这很重要。 |
| 297 | Yes. | 对 |
| 298 | To stop him. | 来阻止他 |
| 299 | How many, you mentioned nuclear just earlier. | 有多少,你刚才提到核。 |
| 300 | How many times has he come close to using a nuclear weapon? | 他几度接近使用核武器? |
| 301 | In his rhetoric, I think he... | 在他的言辞中,我认为他... |
| 302 | But how close has he come to actually using a nuclear weapon in the last four and a half years? | 但是,在过去四年半的时间里,他实际上如何接近使用核武器? |
| 303 | I think it depends on his, how to say, mental health. | 我认为这取决于他,如何说,心理健康。 |
| 304 | I think it depends on it. | 我认为这取决于它。 |
| 305 | I don't know what is with him. | 我不知道他有什么问题 |
| 306 | He is absolutely crazy or half or 10 percent and et cetera. | 他完全疯了 一半或10%等等 |
| 307 | So I hope that he understands what he's doing. | 所以我希望他明白自己在做什么。 |
| 308 | What about, because why we speak this way about this person? | 那又怎么样 为什么我们要这样说这个人? |
| 309 | Because in his rhetoric and in his people who are around him, they often use the nuclear weapon rhetoric. | 因为在他的言论中,以及在他周围的人民中,他们经常使用核武器的言论。 |
| 310 | Once, half year during, I mean, yes, once a year, two times a year, yeah, two times a year, not less. | 有一次,半年,我是说,是的,一年一次,一年两次,是的,一年两次,不减. |
| 311 | They try to push to media narratives, their bloggers that, you know, if you will pressure or if you will pressure on Russia | 他们试图推向媒体的叙事, 他们的博客,你知道,如果你要向俄罗斯施压或施压 |
| 312 | or if you will support Ukraine or if you will put additional sanctions, we will use. | 或者如果你支持乌克兰 或者如果你将施加额外的制裁, 我们将使用。 |
| 313 | Some, I don't know, of his people, they always share. | 有些,我不知道, 他的人,他们总是分享。 |
| 314 | Sorry to push you on this, but has there come a moment over the last four and a half years | 抱歉逼你这么做 但过去4年半来有没有出现过 |
| 315 | where there has been a great risk of Putin using a nuclear weapon? | 普京使用核武器的风险很大? |
| 316 | Has there been a moment where that's been a potential possibility? | 曾经有过这样的可能性吗? |
| 317 | I don't know this information really that I know that they always try to to raise this topic when they need something or when they afraid of something, | 我不知道这个信息,真的我知道, 他们总是试图提出这个话题 当他们需要的东西, 当他们害怕的东西, |
| 318 | when they want to divide Europe or they want somebody from Europe or from the White House not to support Ukraine. | 当他们想分裂欧洲 或者他们希望有人 从欧洲或白宫 不支持乌克兰。 |
| 319 | They always raise this topic like, you know, additional psychological instrument of influence to pressure on Europeans or United States. | 他们总是提出这个话题 比如,你知道, 额外的心理工具 影响对欧洲人或美国的压力。 |
| 320 | So but I never saw something, you know, something more than this. | 所以,但我从来没有见过什么,你知道的, 一些比这个更多的。 |
| 321 | Just moving on to our Prime Minister, Andy Burnham, what are your first impressions? | 我们的首相安迪·伯纳姆 你的第一印象是什么? |
| 322 | Very positive, really, and that we've been very open. | 非常积极,真的, 而且我们一直很开放。 |
| 323 | I like such people, really. | 我真的喜欢这样的人 |
| 324 | I like such people which are which are trying to to make shorter distance. | 我喜欢那些想缩短距离的人 |
| 325 | And and we had conversation. | 我们聊了聊 |
| 326 | It was like with with between people. | 就像人际交往一样 |
| 327 | Yes, between human. | 是的,在人类之间 |
| 328 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 329 | And then he's very supportive and absolutely understandable for me. | 然后他非常支持我 对我来说是完全可以理解的 |
| 330 | So I'm thankful that we just just immediately build the relations. | 所以我很感激我们刚刚建立了关系。 |
| 331 | But it's all about our people. | 但一切众生. |
| 332 | I think that this such attitude of your nations or your nation to our people and our people to to Britain and to UK. | 我认为,贵国或贵国对我国人民和我国人民对英国和联合王国的这种态度。 |
| 333 | And so I think this is this it helps. | 所以我认为这是帮助。 |
| 334 | It pushes us to to to such dialogue. | 它迫使我们进行这种对话。 |
| 335 | On Wednesday, John Healy, our former defence minister, secretary, forgive me, who you know well, | 周三,约翰・希利,我们的前国防部长,秘书, 原谅我,谁你很清楚, |
| 336 | is now our chancellor, will deliver his first budget in the House of Commons. | 现在是我们的议长,将在下议院交付他的第一笔预算。 |
| 337 | How much of a priority should defence be in his budget? | 他的预算中应该有多少国防优先? |
| 338 | And I know you're not writing if I have influence. | 我知道你不写 如果我有影响力。 |
| 339 | If you had influence, if you could say if you could have a conversation with John Healy now ahead of his budget, | 如果你有影响力 如果你能说 如果你能和约翰・希利谈话 现在比他的预算还早 |
| 340 | what would you say to him about defence? | 你会对他说什么 关于防御? |
| 341 | Because the defence investment plan has been delayed by a year. | 因为国防投资计划推迟了一年. |
| 342 | And yet there are clear threats from Russia, not just on the UK, but across Europe. | 然而,俄罗斯显然不仅对英国,而且对整个欧洲都有威胁。 |
| 343 | It is pushing NATO's buttons repeatedly. | 它不断推北约的按钮。 |
| 344 | John Healy应该怎么辩护? | |
| 345 | How much of a priority should it be? | 何等为重. |
| 346 | It depends. | 这取决于。 |
| 347 | Can the United Kingdom trust Russia or not? | 英国能否信任俄罗斯? |
| 348 | No, if not to 100 percent. | 不,如果不是100%的话。 |
| 349 | You need to build your military facilities, rebuild a lot of different things. | 你需要建造你的军事设施, 重建很多不同的事物。 |
| 350 | What UK had and we know we understand what about respect. | 英国有什么 我们知道我们理解尊重。 |
| 351 | Of course, we are ready to share what we know. | 当然,我们愿意分享我们所知道的。 |
| 352 | The UK has great opportunity for this because of our relations and because of your internal industry. | 由于我们的关系和你们内部的产业,英国有极好的机会做到这一点。 |
| 353 | But air defence is weak in all of Europe, not only in the United Kingdom. | 但在整个欧洲,不仅在英国,防空力量薄弱. |
| 354 | And in the United Kingdom, geographically, you didn't need such air defence, huge air defence. | 在英国,在地理上,你不需要这样的防空,巨大的防空. |
| 355 | Yes, because of nature, nature defending water borders and etc. | 是的,因为自然,自然 捍卫水边等等。 |
| 356 | But now it's a new period, new life, new century, and we can't trust Russia. | 但是,现在这是一个新时期,新生活,新世纪,我们不能信任俄国. |
| 357 | And the UK will not be the nearest, yes, friends with Russia. | 英国不会是俄罗斯的近亲 |
| 358 | And we know the attitude of Russia to the UK. | 我们知道俄罗斯对英国的态度。 |
| 359 | So your opinion, sorry for interrupting, your opinion is that defence can't be delayed. | 所以,你的意见,对不起打断, 你的意见是 辩护不能拖延。 |
| 360 | It's clear and obvious the threats that Russia poses that it needs to be dealt with immediately. | 俄国带来的威胁是显而易见的,需要立即处理. |
| 361 | We have to take a firm hold of it. | 我们必须牢牢抓住它。 |
| 362 | Absolutely, because we have to understand and we have to respect today's situation and understand it's not just defending. | 当然,因为我们必须理解,我们必须尊重今天的情况,理解它不仅仅是捍卫。 |
| 363 | It's not just weapon, of course. | 这不仅仅是武器,当然。 |
| 364 | You have hybrid attacks with, I mean, this increasing experience of Russia in it. | 你和俄罗斯的这种 不断增长的经验有混合攻击 |
| 365 | Yes, because of our war and because of this practice and hybrid attacks, hybrid war, cyber attacks like missiles, | 是的,因为我们的战争 和由于这种做法和混合攻击, 混合战争,网络攻击 像导弹, |
| 366 | like different kind of weapon, like drones, different kind of drones, and they're taking data and other things. | 像不同种类的武器, 像无人机,不同种类的无人机, 他们正在采集数据和其他东西。 |
| 367 | So they will do it. | 所以,他们会做到这一点。 |
| 368 | They will continue to do it in everywhere in Europe. | 他们将继续在欧洲各地这样做。 |
| 369 | Your advice to the UK, if I can ask you, is don't delay. | 你对英国的建议,如果我可以问你, 不要拖延。 |
| 370 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 371 | I think so. | 我想是这样。 |
| 372 | But sorry, John, I'm so sorry. | 但对不起,约翰,我很抱歉。 |
| 373 | Sorry, you have your internal questions. | 对不起,你有你的内部问题。 |
| 374 | But it's important to be direct. | 但要直接一点 |
| 375 | But I don't know all the problems. | 但我不知道所有的问题。 |
| 376 | Yes, yes, but I think that today's Russian policy is very dangerous. | 是的,是的,但我认为今天的俄罗斯政策是非常危险的. |
| 377 | That's why better to it's not about offensive again, better to have all the technologies, all the defending technologies, | 这就是为什么它更好 不攻击再次, 更好的拥有所有的技术, 所有防御技术, |
| 378 | including, as I said, data, cyber, digital. | 包括数据 网络 数字 |
| 379 | So it's all about, by the way, it's all about the things what people just civilians use every day banking system, how to defend it. | 所以,顺便说一下,它涉及的是人们每天只使用平民的银行系统,如何捍卫它。 |
| 380 | You can't I mean, don't not invest to this cyber infrastructure and be saved. | 你不能我的意思是,不要投资 这个网络基础设施 并被拯救。 |
| 381 | No, that's why a lot of this a lot of different things. | 不,这就是为什么这些很多不同的东西。 |
| 382 | Can I now turn to you? | 我现在可以转告你了? |
| 383 | We admire you so much. | 我们非常钦佩你。 |
| 384 | I admire you. | 我钦佩你。 |
| 385 | Thank you for the strength and the resolve that you've shown. | 感谢您表现出的力量和决心. |
| 386 | I think you lead your country brilliantly. | 我认为你出色地领导着你的国家。 |
| 387 | Where do you find that strength from, given the enormity of the moment, the pressure that you're under and the responsibility that you have? | 你从哪里找到这种力量呢? 鉴于此刻的严峻性, 你承受的压力,你的责任? |
| 388 | Only people can take all your energy and you will be tied and without energy, without power and you don't want to live. | 只有人能夺走你所有的精力 你会被捆绑,没有能量,没有动力,你不想活着。 |
| 389 | Yes, some kind of people and also another kind of people who give you this energy, energy to work, | 是的,某种人 还有另一种人 给你这种能量,工作能量, |
| 390 | to like your job, to defend, to be loud, to be direct, not to be afraid, to be very clear, to support, not to slip, but be with energy. | 喜欢你的工作, 防守, 大声, 直接, 不害怕, 非常清楚, 支持, 不滑倒, 但与精力。 |
| 391 | So it's all about people, people who are very good and people who are real. | 因此,它的全部是人, 人谁是非常好和人谁是真实的。 |
| 392 | I mean, this I mean, this don't have with them, but not to have with them anything. | 我的意思是,这我的意思是, 这没有与他们, 但没有任何与他们在一起。 |
| 393 | So it's all about people. | 故一切众生. |
| 394 | My people around me, it's just people which I mean, this, of course, my wife, my children, my family. | 我身边的人,只是我意思, 当然,我的妻子,我的孩子,我的家人。 |
| 395 | And of course, people who are just in the streets, just ordinary people. | 当然,在街上的人,普通人。 |
| 396 | Sometimes you can see people and you can, you know, our energy guys who can renovate any energy infrastructure after attacks and they know that they can be wounded. | 有时候你可以看到人,你可以,你知道, 我们的能源家伙,谁可以修复 任何能源基础设施 攻击后,他们知道他们可以受伤。 |
| 397 | And because Russia is terribly, they are taking once, then they are waiting when all the our people, | 因为俄国太可怕了,他们要吃一次, 然后他们要等我们的人民, |
| 398 | specialists, when the specialists will come and they want to attack again. | 专家,当专家会来 他们想再次攻击。 |
| 399 | So these people risk and the price of their risk is their life. | 因此这些人冒着风险,风险的代价就是他们的生命. |
| 400 | And when I see such people, just ordinary people, and I want to always to shake hands or to hate them, it's great. | 当我看到这样的人,只是普通人, 我想总是握手或恨他们, 这是伟大的。 |
| 401 | They give me also soldiers when I come to the battlefield. | 当我来到战场时,他们还给我士兵。 |
| 402 | Yeah, there are different people, different soldiers. | 是的,有不同的人,不同的士兵。 |
| 403 | We had we have the army mostly of people from different professions. | 我们的军队大多来自不同的职业 |
| 404 | And that's why you can see absolutely unique people. | 这就是为什么你可以看到 绝对独特的人。 |
| 405 | Yes. | 对 |
| 406 | And they've been engineers for IT sector teachers. | 他们是IT部门教师的工程师。 |
| 407 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 408 | And it's a different people with different lives. | 亦是众生不同. |
| 409 | And they were interesting. | 他们很有趣。 |
| 410 | I wonder what you've learned about yourself over the last four and a half years. | 我想知道你在过去的四年半里学到了什么 |
| 411 | You must think back to the way you were four and a half years ago to where you are now. | 想想你四年半前的样子 到现在的样子 |
| 412 | And it must be vastly different. | 则必大异. |
| 413 | I wonder what you've learned about yourself. | 我想知道你学到了什么 |
| 414 | Sometimes we spend time on this, not on important things. | 有时我们花时间做这件事 而不是重要的事情 |
| 415 | So I can I'm not focusing now on some moments which are really not necessary. | 所以,我现在可以不 专注于一些 并不必要的时刻。 |
| 416 | And a lot of things which in my past life could could nourish you. | 以及很多我前世能养活你的东西 |
| 417 | And it doesn't matter. | 且道无碍. |
| 418 | And people who are empty, you know, just empty people, they can't give you anything good. | 和人谁是空的,你知道, 只是空的人, 他们不能给你什么好。 |
| 419 | Yes, I'm trying not to spend time on them or such people around close. | 是的,我尽量不花时间 在他们或这样的人周围。 |
| 420 | I mean, this, you know, big people or big businessmen. | 我的意思是,这个,你知道,大人物或大商人。 |
| 421 | It's not about it. | 不关其事. |
| 422 | And for me, it's a big person and then big businessmen or big, you know, general or something like this. | 对我来说,这是一个大人物, 然后大商人或大, 你知道,将军或类似的东西。 |
| 423 | So it's all on focus on necessary things. | 所以这一切都是专注于必要的事情。 |
| 424 | What you can control. | 你可以控制的东西。 |
| 425 | Focus on what you can control. | 专心于你所能控制的事物. |
| 426 | No, not even not even to control on the things which can give you something. | 不,甚至不能控制那些能给你东西的东西 |
| 427 | People with additional value. | 有额外价值的人。 |
| 428 | I'm not speaking about business. | 我不是说生意 |
| 429 | I'm speaking about this. | 我说的是这个。 |
| 430 | Yeah, absolutely. | 当然 |
| 431 | So such people strengthen you. | 所以,这样的人加强你。 |
| 432 | This is important than spend time any free time spend with your family. | 这比花时间和家人在一起重要 |
| 433 | Very last question. | 最后一个问题 |
| 434 | It's very apt, actually. | 实际上,这是非常合适的。 |
| 435 | I spoke to the first lady in June as a phrase, and I'm not sure if you've heard of this, that behind every great man is a great woman. | 六月我与第一夫人讲了一句句子,不知你是否听说过这个,每个伟人背后都是一位伟人. |
| 436 | Is that the case for you? | 是这样吗? |
| 437 | And can you talk a bit about the support and the relationship that you have with your wife? | 你能谈谈你和你妻子的支持和关系吗? |
| 438 | Love and love and respect. | 爱与爱与尊重. |
| 439 | And I hope she also. | 我希望她也一样。 |
| 440 | And and I mean, this the way of how he supports me and the way of her attitude to during this war to everything to me. | 我意思是,这就是他支持我的方式 以及她在战争中对我的态度 |
| 441 | Children, just people around. | 孩子们,只有周围的人。 |
| 442 | And so I respect you very much. | 我非常尊敬你,我非常尊敬你 |
| 443 | Is she a pillar of strength? | 她是力量的支柱吗? |
| 444 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 445 | She's very strong and she's my biggest friend. | 她很强壮,是我最大的朋友 |
| 446 | She not only love also biggest friend. | 她不仅爱着大朋友 |
| 447 | And it's I mean, this I'm happy. | 我是说,我很开心 |
| 448 | I think this is it's she she makes made and I hope will me happy. | 我想这是她做的 我希望我会高兴 |
| 449 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 450 | Jack already, Mr. President. | 杰克已经,总统先生。 |
| 451 | Jack, thank you so much. | 杰克,非常感谢 |
| 452 | It's been an honor. | 我很荣幸 |
| 453 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
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