特朗普回应：愿帮俄罗斯应对疑似鼠疫…

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时间	英文	中文
0:00	President Trump making his first comments about Russia's potential	特朗普总统首次评论俄罗斯的潜力
0:03	pneumonic plague case, calling it a quote, big problem, end quote, as	肺炎瘟疫病例,称为引证,大问题,末引证,如:
0:07	official unofficial reports, I'm sorry, reveal that close to 200 people are	官方非官方报道,我很抱歉, 透露近200人
0:10	now under observation.	现在正在观察中。
0:14	I hate to see them having it.	我讨厌看到他们有它。
0:17	It's a rough, it's a rough disease.	粗而为病.
0:18	You know, that's a disease we used to be able to control, but somehow	你知道,这是一个疾病我们曾经能够控制, 但不知怎么的
0:22	those microbes have gotten stronger and smarter than like an army.	那些微生物比军队更强大更聪明
0:27	The White House says they're monitoring the situation in Russia and beyond	白宫说他们正在监视俄罗斯和其他地方的情况
0:32	after the death of a researcher who worked at a Russian lab dedicated to	在俄罗斯实验室工作的研究员去世后

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序号	英文	中文
1	President Trump making his first comments about Russia's potential	特朗普总统首次评论俄罗斯的潜力
2	pneumonic plague case, calling it a quote, big problem, end quote, as	肺炎瘟疫病例,称为引证,大问题,末引证,如:
3	official unofficial reports, I'm sorry, reveal that close to 200 people are	官方非官方报道,我很抱歉, 透露近200人
4	now under observation.	现在正在观察中。
5	I hate to see them having it.	我讨厌看到他们有它。
6	It's a rough, it's a rough disease.	粗而为病.
7	You know, that's a disease we used to be able to control, but somehow	你知道,这是一个疾病我们曾经能够控制, 但不知怎么的
8	those microbes have gotten stronger and smarter than like an army.	那些微生物比军队更强大更聪明
9	The White House says they're monitoring the situation in Russia and beyond	白宫说他们正在监视俄罗斯和其他地方的情况
10	after the death of a researcher who worked at a Russian lab dedicated to	在俄罗斯实验室工作的研究员去世后
11	studying the plague and other infectious diseases.	研究瘟疫和其他传染病。
12	The researcher died days after being diagnosed with a pneumonia of a quote,	研究人员在被诊断出肺炎后几天死亡,
13	unknown origin, according to a Russian health agency.	来源不明,根据俄罗斯一家卫生机构。
14	Out front now, Dr.	现在到前面去医生
15	Ashish Jha, infectious disease and biosecurity expert.	Ashish Jha,传染病和生物安保专家.
16	And Dr.	还有博士
17	Jha, you've looked into this extensively.	Jha,你已经深入调查过了
18	Obviously, you know, if they know where she works and, um, but they're saying	显然,你知道, 如果他们知道她在哪里工作,嗯,
19	the pneumonia is an unknown origin that already raises some questions about	肺炎是一个未知的来源已经引起了一些关于
20	what they're disclosing and not disclosing.	他们披露的不是他们披露的
21	What is the most concerning thing about all of this to you?	这一切对你有什么影响?
22	Yeah.	对
23	So first of all, uh, Aaron, thanks for having me back.	首先亚伦谢谢你让我回来
24	Look, um, the early, early reporting from the local newspapers is that this	你看,嗯,早期,早期从当地报纸的报道是,
25	was a file that broke, pneumonic plague, and the young person died.	是一个破损的档案,肺炎瘟疫, 年轻人死了。
26	There are a lot of red flags.	有很多红旗.
27	Um, one is, um, she should have probably been vaccinated against it and should	嗯,一个是,嗯, 她可能已经接种了疫苗
28	have started antibiotics right away.	立刻开始使用抗生素
29	And there's no evidence that that happened or that, that it responded.	没有证据能证明发生的事和它的反应
30	Second, 200 people under quarantine.	二,隔离隔离200人.
31	That is not what you would expect from a simple lab accident.	这不是你期望的从简单的实验室事故。
32	Last point that I would make that's really important here is Russia has a	我最后要说的是俄罗斯有一个
33	very extensive biological weapons program.	非常广泛的生物武器计划。
34	And we don't know if this lab was involved in that program, but it is	而且我们不知道这个实验室是否参与了那个程序, 但是它是
35	concerning given the lack of information coming from the Russian authorities.	鉴于俄罗斯当局没有提供资料。
36	And it is a real lack.	而这确实是一个不足。
37	And, and you've also noted, and this is one of the things that stood out from	你也注意到了这是最突出的一件事
38	this, from the second that it sort of broke out internationally in terms of	从一开始,它就在国际上爆发了
39	was that the reports at the FSB, which of course is Russia's internal security	联邦安全局的报告当然是俄罗斯的内部安全
40	and counterintelligence agency has been involved in the response.	和反情报机构已经参与了响应。
41	Uh, there, there was that there was the fact that several hospitals have	有几家医院
42	been shut down or locked down.	被关闭或关闭。
43	Uh, on top of all of this, I mean, what do you read into that?	呃,在这一切之外,我的意思是, 你读什么呢?
44	Again, to the point of your saying, well, if it was run of the mill,	再说一遍,你所说的,如果它运行的磨坊,
45	pneumonic plague, as she would have been vaccinated, taken antibiotics and been	肺炎瘟疫,因为她本可以接种疫苗,服用抗生素
46	fine, uh, but yet we're seeing all of these other pieces around this, what do	好吧,呃,但我们仍然看到所有这些其他的片段围绕这个,
47	you make of all of that?	你做的这一切?
48	And do you trust any of the information that we're getting?	你相信我们得到的信息吗?
49	Yeah.	对
50	So here's what we know.	这就是我们所知道的。
51	The lab that, uh, she was working in is a lab that's supposed to be a civilian	实验室,呃,她在工作是一个实验室,应该是一个平民
52	lab, but it has a long history of having military biological weapons research.	实验室但它有很长的历史军事生物武器研究。
53	The second thing we know is that Russia has been investing heavily in expanding	我们所知道的第二件事是俄罗斯在扩张中投入了大量资金
54	its biological weapons program.	其生物武器方案。
55	Um, take those two facts, take the facts that you just mentioned.	嗯,拿这两个事实, 采取你刚才提到的事实。
56	It is hard not to be concerned that there is something more going on.	很难不担心还有事情发生。
57	Is there something going more going on?	还有什么事吗?
58	I don't know, but I've talked to friends in the administration.	我不知道,但我和政府的朋友谈过了
59	I've actually had three conversations last 24 hours.	我最近24小时有三次谈话
60	They're concerned.	他们很担心
61	They don't feel like they're getting a straight answer from Russia.	他们觉得自己没有得到俄罗斯的直截了当的答复.
62	And so until we get more information, I think we have to assume that there is	所以在我们得到更多信息之前我认为我们必须假设
63	something more going on than what we're seeing.	事情比我们所看到的还要严重
64	And, you know, to that effect, obviously, you know, people have, uh, fairly have a	而且,你知道,为此, 显然,你知道, 人们有,呃, 相当有
65	lot of questions about how this spreads.	有很多问题如何传播。
66	Now, again, you're talking about run-of-the-mill pneumonic plague, or are	现在,你又在谈论奔跑的肺炎瘟疫,或者是
67	you talking about something perhaps different and, and we don't, we don't	你谈论的东西也许不同,我们不,我们不
68	understand the facts yet, uh, to that question, though, you know, we all	了解事实,呃, 这个问题,虽然,你知道,我们都
69	记得在COVID。
70	So if you look at a map of the flights that left the airport in Irkutsk, which	因此,如果你看看一张图的航班离开伊尔库茨克机场,
71	is where this incident occurred, uh, you can see that, you know, a lot of people	就是这起事件的发生地你可以看到,你知道,很多人
72	have, have, have left, uh, and this is, these are just the flights from around	已经,已经,已经离开,呃, 这是,这只是飞行从周围
73	the time that researcher died.	那个研究员死的时候
74	Is there any reason to be concerned about anything like this, right?	有什么理由要担心这样的事吗?
75	That the lockdown in the immediate area, but nothing beyond that.	封锁紧邻区域,但仅此而已
76	Yeah.	对
77	So here's how I would think about it.	所以我会这样想
78	If this is a run-of-the-mill pneumonic plague, and I can't even believe I'm	如果这是暴发性肺炎的话我简直不敢相信
79	saying run-of-the-mill pneumonic plague, right, which is a pretty serious disease,	说奔跑的肺炎瘟疫,没错, 这是一个相当严重的疾病,
80	but, uh, pneumonic plague doesn't spread all that efficiently.	但是,呃,肺炎瘟疫没有有效传播这一切。
81	So if it is a normal run-of-the-mill, um, this is not going to end up being a	所以,如果这是一个正常的奔跑,嗯, 这不会是最后的
82	big deal and maybe a few more people will get sick, obviously terrible that	可能还会有更多人生病很明显很可怕
83	this young woman died, but it will not become a global outbreak.	这个年轻女子死了,但不会成为全球爆发。
84	If there is something more going on here, then obviously it changes the scope of	如果还有事情发生那显然会改变
85	this and we have to be much more concerned.	这一点,我们必须更加关注。
86	This is why we need a lot more information.	这就是为什么我们需要更多的信息。
87	We need better monitoring.	我们需要更好的监测。
88	We need better disease surveillance and we need more transparency	我们需要更好的疾病监测,我们需要更大的透明度
89	from the Russian government.	从俄罗斯政府。
90	Yeah.	对
91	And obviously they're, they're not, they're not providing any of that.	显然,他们,他们不是, 他们没有提供任何。
92	Cause some of the things they're doing would indicate there's nothing to worry	因为他们做的有些事情表明没什么好担心的
93	about, but, but the things they're not being transparent about would indicate	但是他们不透明的事情表明
94	there is something to be worried about.	有些事值得担心
95	Um, so it's very, it's very hard to tell.	嗯,所以这是非常, 这很难说。
96	Uh, but in terms of the spread, uh, Dr.	呃,但从传播,呃,博士。
97	Jha before you go, uh, this is the sort of thing that you're saying is actually	在你走之前,呃,这就是你所说的那种事情,其实
98	if it is a, again, run of the mill, pneumonic plague would be quite difficult	如果又是磨坊,肺炎瘟疫会很困难
99	to transmit.	发送。
100	Yeah, this is not like COVID.	是啊,这不是像COVID。
101	This is certainly not like measles.	这肯定不像麻疹。
102	It doesn't spread that efficiently.	它没有有效传播。
103	Um, so I am hoping it is a run of the mill, pneumonic plague.	嗯,所以我希望这是一跑磨坊,肺炎瘟疫。
104	I'm hoping it just sort of peters away.	我希望它只是那种宠物离开。
105	Um, but here's a bigger point, Aaron, that I think is worth understanding.	嗯,但有一个更大的点,艾伦, 我认为值得理解。
106	We are seeing across the world more and more labs working on very, very dangerous	我们在世界各地看到越来越多的实验室在非常非常非常危险的情况下工作
107	pathogens, and I am increasingly worried we're going to see more and more outbreaks	病原体,我越来越担心我们将会看到越来越多的爆发
108	like this and one of those will end up on our shores.	像这样和其中之一将最终在我们海岸。
109	So we have to get ready and be much better prepared than we are right now.	因此,我们必须做好准备,并且比现在更好地做好准备。
110	I want to ask you also about what Dr.	我也想问你关于什么医生。
111	Jha was just talking about, because, um, you know, about this in a more tangible	Jha只是谈论, 因为,嗯,你知道, 关于这个更有形的
112	way, you know, he was talking obviously about this pneumonic plague.	很明显他说的是肺炎瘟疫
113	Um, and I know obviously you don't know the details of what's really going on the	嗯,我知道你显然不知道细节到底是怎么回事
114	ground there.	地面那边。
115	The whole point is it was nobody does, but what he was talking about, about the	关键是没人做,但他说的是...
116	FSB being involved and hospitals, uh, potentially being locked down and, uh, a	FSB被卷入其中,医院,呃, 有可能被锁定,呃,a
117	civilian lab that had also been known to do plenty of military and that expansion	民用实验室, 也被称为做大量军事和扩张
118	of the bio weapons program in Russia.	俄罗斯的生物武器计划
119	Um, what do you think's going on?	你觉得这是怎么回事?
120	No, what we know that it's, it's, it's Russia is now on war footing.	不,我们所知道的是,它,它, 它的俄罗斯现在处于战争状态。
121	The country is just, it's like a giant war camp.	国家只是,就像一个巨大的战争阵营.
122	War became oxygen for Putin regime.	战争成为普京政权的氧气.
123	So that's why it's very likely the, it's the, these lab has been involved in	所以这些实验室很可能会参与
124	developing some bio bio weapons.	研发一些生物武器。
125	They are likely, but one thing I can tell you for sure.	有可能但我可以肯定地告诉你一件事
126	So whatever they said, they lied.	所以不管他们说什么他们都撒谎了
127	So it's, it's, it's, it's when you, when I listening, uh, to the, uh, response	所以,这是,这是,它是,它是, 当你,当我听,呃,
128	responses of Russian authorities.	俄罗斯当局的答复。
129	So here you have to, when you talk to, to people in, in, in this country, in, in	所以在这里,当你说话, 与人们在,在这个国家,在,在
130	Europe, so you should apply the, uh, presumption, uh, uh, presumption of	欧洲,所以你应该应用,呃,推定,呃,推定
131	innocence in Russia is the opposite presumption of guilt.	在俄罗斯,无罪是相反的有罪推定。
132	If Putin said something, he lied.	如果普京说了些什么他撒谎了
133	You should assume so.	你应该这么认为
134	So that's why I wouldn't trust a word what they said, and that makes	所以我不会相信他们说的话所以
135	it even more worrisome.	这更令人担忧。
136	Professor, I mean, what do you, what do you make of it?	教授,我是说,你觉得怎么样?
137	Well, it's hard to know until we have, until we have more information, until	很难知道,直到我们有, 直到我们有更多的信息,直到
138	we have confirmation that this is actually plague, until we understand	我们确认这是瘟疫直到我们明白
139	exactly the circumstances, uh, with which the lab employee, uh, contracted the	实验室员工签了合同
140	illness, uh, it would be great to know if this is just a old fashioned research	生病了,嗯,如果这只是一个老式的研究,那就太好了
141	plague, or whether this, uh, Institute in Russia has been experimenting with	瘟疫,或者这个,呃,俄罗斯研究所一直在试验
142	weaponizing plague and so whether it's changed at all, uh, these are all	将瘟疫武器化所以不管它有没有改变这些都是
143	important, important things, uh, for us to know what, uh, but what I will say is	重要的事情,嗯,让我们知道什么,嗯, 但我会说
144	that one of the main lessons from, from the COVID experience is that all the	从COVID的经验中得出的主要教训之一是:
145	early reports are, are always wrong or incomplete or, or, or misleading.	早期报告总是错误的或不完整的,或误导性的。
146	So I think jumping to either conclusion, uh, assuming that this is the beginning	所以我想跳到任何结论,呃,假设这是开始
147	of the next pandemic, which I think is highly unlikely, or, uh, assuming that	我认为这是极不可能的, 或者,呃,假设
148	this is nothing to worry about, I think both of those, uh, tendencies should be	这没什么好担心的, 我认为,这两个,呃,倾向应该是
149	tempered, uh, with our experience in COVID and let's wait until we have a	以我们的COVID经验而放松,让我们等到我们有一个
150	little bit more, uh, more data.	一点点,呃,更多的数据。
151	And the, the other thing I want to say, Richard, is that this is not the,	还有,我想说的是,理查德,这不是...
152	the novel coronavirus, this is a much different organism that there	小说"冠状病毒", 这是一个完全不同的有机体,在那里
153	literally have been centuries of experience with, and we now actually have	几百年来的经验, 而我们现在实际上
154	very good treatments for them when, when this disease is caught early.	当这种疾病被早期感染时对他们来说是很好的治疗方法
155	Okay.	摆
156	But, but, but I guess the, the, the issue is going to be one of whatever the,	但是,但,但我想, 问题将是一个不管是什么,
157	the, the, the, um, pathogen, pathogen, the issue is going to be one of transparency.	病原体病原体问题是透明度
158	Are we told how much openness is there?	我们是否被告知有多少开放?
159	Do we give, are we given right facts, misinformation, because that	我们是否给出了正确的事实错误信息因为
160	determines how much we can trust what we're being told.	确定我们能相信我们被告知什么
161	Exactly.	没错
162	And it also dictates what the world's, uh, uh, health response should be to,	这也决定了世界的健康反应
163	to this event.	参加这次活动。
164	And again, what we learned again from COVID is that if, if the world has an	再说一遍,我们从COVID中学到的是, 如果,如果世界有一个
165	understanding early on about the, you know, the, the, the, uh, path, uh, of	了解早期,你知道, 路径,呃,
166	the, of this kind of, uh, outbreak, then we can, we can become organized very,	这种疾病,呃,爆发, 然后我们可以,我们可以变得组织非常,
167	very quickly.	很快的,你应该知道
168	Um, but we know we're getting con we're getting conflicting information.	嗯,但我们知道我们得到了欺诈我们得到了矛盾的信息。
169	We're getting on the one hand, uh, that, uh, they're not sure that this	我们得到的一方面,呃,呃, 他们不确定这个
170	is even an illness related to the work that this lab worker had.	甚至与实验室工作人员的工作有关
171	We're also told that there might be hundreds of people under, you	我们还被告知, 可能有几百人下,你
172	know, quarantine and evaluation.	知道,隔离和评估。
173	We'll know over the next few days.	后数日知之.
174	We should know because this pathogen, unlike the Corona virus has a fairly	我们应该知道因为这个病原体不像科罗纳病毒
175	short incubation period, we should know because this pathogen, unlike the	我们应知道,因为这个病原体不同于
176	unlike the Corona virus has a fairly short incubation period, we should know because this pathogen, unlike the Corona virus has a fairly short incubation period, we should know because this pathogen, unlike the Corona virus has a fairly short incubation p	与科罗纳病毒的孵化期相当短不同,我们应当知道,因为这个病原体与科罗纳病毒的孵化期相当短,我们应当知道,因为这个病原体与科罗纳病毒的孵化期不同,这个病原体与科罗纳病毒的孵化期相当短,我们应当知道.

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