重返英国后，哈里王子接受GQ专访：世界已充满纷扰 希望与家人
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | No, you don't feel insane, and I certainly don't want any sympathy. | 不,你没有感到疯狂, 我当然不希望任何同情。 |
| 0:02 | That's where we're way past that. | 我们从这里走过 |
| 0:04 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 0:05 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 0:07 | Because I'm a prince. | 因为我是王子 |
| 0:09 | Like, oh, no. | 喜欢,哦,不。 |
| 0:10 | Well, thank you for saying that. | 谢谢你这么说 |
| 0:11 | That's great. | 赞曰. |
| 0:23 | Prince Harry, welcome to one more question. | 哈里王子 欢迎再问一个问题 |
| 0:25 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 1 | No, you don't feel insane, and I certainly don't want any sympathy. | 不,你没有感到疯狂, 我当然不希望任何同情。 |
| 2 | That's where we're way past that. | 我们从这里走过 |
| 3 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 4 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 5 | Because I'm a prince. | 因为我是王子 |
| 6 | Like, oh, no. | 喜欢,哦,不。 |
| 7 | Well, thank you for saying that. | 谢谢你这么说 |
| 8 | That's great. | 赞曰. |
| 9 | Prince Harry, welcome to one more question. | 哈里王子 欢迎再问一个问题 |
| 10 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 11 | Usually I do an intro, but with you, it honestly, frankly, felt absurd. | 通常我做一个介绍, 但和你在一起, 它诚实,坦率的,感觉荒谬。 |
| 12 | OK. What would your intro have been, though? | 摆 你的介绍是什么? |
| 13 | Um, great question. | 嗯,很好的问题。 |
| 14 | I was going to I was going to ask what your intro for you would have been. | 我本来想问你的介绍会是什么 |
| 15 | I never get to give my own intro. | 我从来没有机会做自己的介绍。 |
| 16 | Can you do it right now? | 你能现在就做吗? |
| 17 | No. | 没有 |
| 18 | OK. | 摆 |
| 19 | Veteran, humanitarian, | 退伍军人、人道主义者、 |
| 20 | bestselling author, member of the royal family, | 畅销作家,王室成员, |
| 21 | father, husband, author of a new masterclass on grief. | 父亲,丈夫, 新的大师阶级的作者 关于悲伤。 |
| 22 | How's that? | 怎么样? |
| 23 | It's about right. | 这是关于正确的。 |
| 24 | It's better than normal. | 比寻常. |
| 25 | What's normal? | 什么是正常的吗? |
| 26 | Well, you know, it depends on where you are. | 嗯,你知道,这取决于你在哪里。 |
| 27 | It depends on who's who's giving you the intro. | 要看是谁给你介绍 |
| 28 | But that seems to be the most representative intro. | 但这似乎是最具代表性的介绍。 |
| 29 | So I'll give you that one. | 所以,我会给你一个。 |
| 30 | OK. All right. | 摆 好吧,我们走。 |
| 31 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 32 | We're taping this in New York. | 我们在纽约录制 |
| 33 | You just moved back to the UK. | 你刚刚搬回英国了 |
| 34 | How come? | 为什么? |
| 35 | Opportunities | 机会 |
| 36 | for the family being able to put the kids in a British school | 家庭可以把孩子们送进英国学校 |
| 37 | has meant a lot to me. | 对我很重要 |
| 38 | I didn't know how important it was to me. | 我不知道这对我有多重要 |
| 39 | I always thought it was going to be something that I would try and do | 我一直以为这会是 一些事情,我会尝试和做 |
| 40 | or that we would try and do. | 或者我们会尽力去做 |
| 41 | But now they've been in school for two weeks. | 但现在他们已经上学两周了 |
| 42 | They're loving it. | 他们很喜欢 |
| 43 | And it's just giving them a whole different experience. | 它只是给他们一个完全不同的经验。 |
| 44 | Don't worry, I'm not criticizing American schools. | 别担心 我不是批评美国学校 |
| 45 | But I think for the for kids at seven and five to be able to have that | 但我想为了七岁和五岁的孩子 能够拥有这个 |
| 46 | that comparison and to have two completely different cultural experiences | 以及两种完全不同的文化经历 |
| 47 | is so important today. | 今天如此重要 |
| 48 | But you have to be back closer to my family | 但你必须回到我的家人身边 |
| 49 | and to be back on UK soil for longer than a few days or a week here or there. | 并回到英国本土 超过几天或一个星期在这里或在那里。 |
| 50 | You know, so it's nice. | 你知道,所以这是很好的。 |
| 51 | What is that feeling like to be back? | 回来的感觉是什么? |
| 52 | It's been nice to be close to friends, family, | 亲近朋友和家人真好 |
| 53 | and friends and friends and their children as well. | 朋友、朋友和他们的孩子 |
| 54 | To be able to have endless play dates to really help our kids settle in. | 要能有无休止的游戏约会 真正帮助我们的孩子安顿下来。 |
| 55 | Well, uprooting a family is gnarly, right? | 连家人都离不开 对吧 |
| 56 | Like two kids like you guys, you guys have done this once, | 像你们这样的两个孩子 你们做过一次 |
| 57 | like relatively recently doing it again, I imagine. | 就像最近又做了一样 |
| 58 | It's not it's not easy. | 岂不易哉. |
| 59 | No, it's not. | 不,这不是。 |
| 60 | Look, it's there's no part of anything really this easy anymore. | 你看,这是没有 任何部分 真的这么容易了。 |
| 61 | I think for you, no, for lots of people. | 我想对你来说,不,很多人。 |
| 62 | Yeah, for lots of people. | 对,很多人都是这样 |
| 63 | But, you know, and this wasn't something that we planned for a long time. | 但是,你知道,这不是 我们计划了很久。 |
| 64 | It's something that we've thought about and we've considered. | 此等经想及三昧. |
| 65 | But when for us, when certain stars align | 但对于我们来说,当某些星宿合一的时候, |
| 66 | and it's clear that this should or probably will end up being the case, | 很明显,这应该或可能 最终是这种情况, |
| 67 | then we then we lean into that. | 然后我们就靠在那个上面 |
| 68 | Was it more of a US thing, like what life was like here | 更像是美国的东西 就像这里的生活 |
| 69 | or more something that you were sort of craving back there? | 还是你想要的东西? |
| 70 | I would say a combination of both. | 我想说两者的结合。 |
| 71 | Yeah, I think that having been here for six years now | 是的,我想已经在这里六年了 |
| 72 | and only being able to go back to the UK for short periods of time | 并且只能短期返回英国 |
| 73 | to actually have my whole family there with me, | 我整个家庭都在那里 |
| 74 | the place that I grew up wanting to be able to show my kids | 我长大的地方 想要能够展示我的孩子 |
| 75 | where I grew up and have them have the experiences | 在那里,我长大, 让他们有经验 |
| 76 | to some extent that I had the good rather than necessarily the bad | 在某种程度上,我有好,而不是 不一定坏 |
| 77 | provided real, yeah, proper serious thinking as to this is this is an opportunity. | 如果真的,是的,适当的 认真思考,这是一个机会。 |
| 78 | Let's do it now. | 现在就做 |
| 79 | Good to be outside of the US for the next few months, perhaps. | 在接下来的几个月里 离开美国是件好事 |
| 80 | Let things settle down for a bit. | 让事情平静下来一点。 |
| 81 | And then we and then and then we work it out from there. | 然后,我们然后,然后,我们工作 从那里。 |
| 82 | But like we've we've had plans in the past. | 但就像我们过去有过计划一样 |
| 83 | And I think for lots of people, it's like if you're going to make a big move | 我想对很多人来说,这就像 如果你要去做出一个大动作 |
| 84 | like this, it's going to that's going to take a lot of planning for us. | 像这样,它会 需要很多计划给我们。 |
| 85 | It was very short. | 时间很短 |
| 86 | There were reasons why you guys left in the first place, | 你们一开始离开是有原因的 |
| 87 | you know, certain circumstances there, whether media or stuff like that. | 你知道,某些情况, 无论是媒体还是类似的东西。 |
| 88 | You know, you've talked about why you guys left. | 你说过你们为什么离开的 |
| 89 | Has that stuff changed materially? | 那东西有实质改变吗? |
| 90 | Do you think it's going to be different or do you have a different attitude about it? | 你觉得这将会是不同的还是你对它的态度不同? |
| 91 | How are you thinking about that? | 你觉得怎么样? |
| 92 | Um, I think a combination of of two of those, I think that the | 嗯,我认为组合 其中两个,我认为 |
| 93 | certainly our attitude has changed. | 当然,我们的态度已经改变。 |
| 94 | I think in what way? | 我想怎样? |
| 95 | Well, I think you're your one more question thing. | 好吧,我想你是一个问题的事情。 |
| 96 | Sorry. | 对不起 |
| 97 | It's OK. | 没事的 |
| 98 | It's your job. | 这是你的工作。 |
| 99 | I think once you've been through it, | 我认为一旦你经历了它, |
| 100 | once you've been able to talk about it and | 一旦你能谈论它 |
| 101 | raise awareness to it, then people see it for what it is, | 提高人们的认识,然后,人们看见它是什么, |
| 102 | which makes the environment slightly easier. | 这使得环境略为容易。 |
| 103 | And it's not going to necessarily stop the behavior. | 也不一定能阻止这种行为。 |
| 104 | But then that's the second part, which I think the behavior, | 但接下来是第二部分 我认为行为 |
| 105 | my hope is that it will change. | 我希望它会改变。 |
| 106 | You know, what what happened back then was then what's happened over | 那时候发生的事是... |
| 107 | the last six years has been a continuation of that. | 过去六年是这种情况的延续。 |
| 108 | But there is, you know, some some battles that have been fought | 但是,你知道,有些战斗已经打过 |
| 109 | necessarily so. | 当然 |
| 110 | But hopefully we can all draw a line under that. | 但愿我们都能在此下划清界限。 |
| 111 | And, you know, with everything else that's going on in the world, | 而且,你知道, 与一切其他 发生在世界上, |
| 112 | there's aspects of the past that I'm sure all of us, | 过去的一些方面 我相信我们所有人 |
| 113 | me, my family, the some of the British press that we'd all like to leave | 我,我的家人,一些英国媒体 我们都想离开 |
| 114 | that behind us and work for the greater good. | 并努力为大好。 |
| 115 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 116 | And and it sounds like you're actually optimistic about that, | 听起来你其实很乐观 |
| 117 | which I am optimistic. | 我很乐观 |
| 118 | I'm hopeful. | 我充满希望。 |
| 119 | I'm not naive. | 我不是天真无邪。 |
| 120 | I have been naive in the past. | 过去我一直很天真 |
| 121 | But I think it's important to remain optimistic. | 但我认为保持乐观很重要. |
| 122 | And and I think it's a lot. | 而且我觉得这是很多。 |
| 123 | A large part of this is about respect as well. | 这其中很大一部分也是关于尊重的。 |
| 124 | And, you know, I can I can respect them if they respect me and our position. | 而且,你知道,我可以尊重他们 如果他们尊重我和我们的立场。 |
| 125 | Our position is really quite clear now. | 我们现在的立场非常明确。 |
| 126 | And hopefully we can get on get on with with life. | 希望我们能继续生活 |
| 127 | I've let too much time pass already before asking the most important question, | 在问到最重要的问题之前 我已经让太多时间过去了 |
| 128 | which is, how are you? | 这是,你好吗? |
| 129 | How are you? | 你好吗? |
| 130 | I'm good. | 我没事 |
| 131 | Yep. | 对 |
| 132 | I know why you ask that question. | 我知道你为什么问这个问题。 |
| 133 | For those that don't know, you have a master class on the subject of grief. | 对于不知道的人来说,你有一个主课 关于悲伤的主题。 |
| 134 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 135 | And in it, you talk about how you gave the same answer | 在其中,你谈论 你如何给出同样的答案 |
| 136 | to that question for more or less 20 years every day. | 这个问题,每天大约20年。 |
| 137 | Same answer, which was I'm fine, which I think a lot of people do. | 同样的答案,这就是我很好, 我认为很多人这样做。 |
| 138 | You know, I think a lot of us, | 你知道,我觉得我们很多人, |
| 139 | when someone is suffering from anything, grief, loss, trauma, | 当有人在遭受任何痛苦 悲伤 损失 创伤 |
| 140 | just a bad day was so good at some people don't ask at all. | 一天不好过,有些人根本不问 |
| 141 | But I think those that those of us and friends and and companions | 但我认为那些我们的人 朋友和同伴 |
| 142 | or work colleagues, if you don't, if you say, how are you? | 或者同事,如果你不,如果你说,你好吗? |
| 143 | It's a sort of a natural reaction to say, I'm fine. | 这是种自然反应 说,我很好。 |
| 144 | And then everybody sort of moves on. | 然后大家开始行动 |
| 145 | You've done your part, you asked, and you've done your part by saying, I'm fine. | 你做了你该做的,你问, 你已经做了你该做的,说,我很好。 |
| 146 | But underneath that, I've always felt, | 但是在那个下面 我总觉得 |
| 147 | certainly from my perspective, there was always more. | 当然,从我的角度来看, 总是有更多的。 |
| 148 | If someone had asked us the further up your follow up question, | 如果有人问我们你的后续问题 |
| 149 | are you sure you're fine? | 你确定你没事吗? |
| 150 | I don't think that would have changed my response. | 我不认为那会改变我的反应。 |
| 151 | My follow up question today was going to be, are you actually good? | 我今天的后续问题会是, 你真的好吗? |
| 152 | No, I am good. | 不,我没事。 |
| 153 | I'm exhausted. | 我筋疲力尽了 |
| 154 | As tired as you are, you just come off a red eye. | 像你一样累了,你只是从红眼里下来。 |
| 155 | I've been in New York for the last three days. | 我最近三天来纽约 |
| 156 | So it's interesting to be jet lagged in New York where it's normally | 因此,有趣的是,喷气机 落后于纽约,那里正常 |
| 157 | the other way around. | 换个角度 |
| 158 | But no, I'm I'm I'm yeah, I'm exhausted. | 但是,不,我是 我对,我累坏了。 |
| 159 | But the work the work that I've done over the last few days and the work | 但过去几天我完成的工作和工作 |
| 160 | the work that I do, that's the stuff that energizes me. | 我做的工作, 就是那些让我充满活力的东西。 |
| 161 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 162 | Being around good people, trying to make a make an impact in the world. | 环绕着好人,试图在世界上产生影响. |
| 163 | That is genuinely what energizes me. | 这才是真正让我充满活力的。 |
| 164 | Yes. | 对 |
| 165 | And I'm in a much better place now than I was 10, 10 years ago. | 我现在比十年前好多了 |
| 166 | In what way? | 怎样? |
| 167 | Do you heard that you heard the subconscious? | 你听说你听到了潜意识吗? |
| 168 | You know, it's going to come. | 你知道,它会来的。 |
| 169 | I'm going to answer the question. | 我今应答. |
| 170 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 171 | There is there's a really interesting thing about grief. | 悲伤是件很有趣的事 |
| 172 | Look, it's very personal for people. | 你看,这是非常个人化的人。 |
| 173 | It's very individual to those to that person's circumstance. | 对这些人来说,这是个个性的 |
| 174 | But I've learned to, I guess, accept and understand | 但我已经学会了,我想,接受和理解 |
| 175 | that you don't ever get over grief. | 永远不要忘记悲伤 |
| 176 | You live with it. | 汝随其所住. |
| 177 | You learn to live with it. | 你学着接受它 |
| 178 | And also, I've never wanted to get over the grief. | 而且,我从来没有想过 克服悲伤。 |
| 179 | And that was where I was stuck. | 那时我被困在那里 |
| 180 | Many, many years ago was the fact that, you know, | 很多,很多年前的事实是,你知道, |
| 181 | if I if I give up on the grieving, does that mean I give up on the memory | 如果我放弃悲伤 那是否意味着我放弃记忆 |
| 182 | of my mother and at the same time, if I become happy, | 我的母亲,同时, 如果我变得快乐, |
| 183 | is that a betrayal of her memory? | 这是背叛她的记忆吗? |
| 184 | And, you know, in the masterclass series and in the lesson of which, | 而且,你知道,在大师级系列 和它的教训, |
| 185 | you know, I've always considered myself | 你知道,我一直认为自己 |
| 186 | and certainly for masterclass, a student of grief. | 并且为主子,为悲伤的学生。 |
| 187 | And the expert is Dr. Mary Frances O'Connor. | 而专家是玛丽·弗兰西斯·奥康纳博士. |
| 188 | But, you know, as a scholar that you did this. | 但是,你知道,作为一个学者 你这样做。 |
| 189 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 190 | And an expert, you know, he's been studying grief | 一个专家,他一直在研究悲伤 |
| 191 | and loss for decades. | 和数十年的损失。 |
| 192 | And she also lost her own mother as well. | 她也失去了自己的母亲。 |
| 193 | So she's been studying. | 所以她一直在学习。 |
| 194 | What's what's what does that do to the brain and the body? | 这对大脑和身体有什么影响? |
| 195 | But, you know, sitting here now, recently turned 42 years old. | 但是,你知道,现在坐在这里, 最近变成42岁。 |
| 196 | Had I known what I know now, back when I was 12, | 如果我知道我现在知道, 当我12岁时, |
| 197 | my life would have been very, very different. | 我的生活会非常非常不同 |
| 198 | And I just the point of masterclass is to be able to give | 而我只是主人公的重心 是能够给予 |
| 199 | as much of my experience combined with Dr. Mary Frances O'Connor's | 我和玛丽·弗兰西斯·奥康纳博士的 |
| 200 | scientific experience, professional experience, | 科学经验,专业经验, |
| 201 | and combine those two things to be able to give as much guidance | 将这两件事结合起来,以便给予同样的指导 |
| 202 | and as many tools as possible to those people who are grieving. | 以及尽可能多的工具 给那些悲伤的人。 |
| 203 | Or have faced some form of loss. | 或者面临某种形式的损失。 |
| 204 | It doesn't have to be a family member or a friend. | 不须亲友. |
| 205 | It could be it could be a pet. | 可能是宠物 |
| 206 | It could be loss of identity. | 可能会失去身份 |
| 207 | It could be your job. | 这可能是你的工作。 |
| 208 | It could be a limb. | 可能是四肢伤 |
| 209 | It really is one of the most universal aspects of being human. | 它确实是人类最普遍的方面之一。 |
| 210 | And yet within society, we are encouraged to suppress | 但是在社会内部 我们被鼓励镇压 |
| 211 | those feelings and those emotions. | 那些感情和情绪 |
| 212 | You've talked about this. | 你说过的 |
| 213 | That was your personal experience after your loss was that you were | 那是你失去亲人后的亲身经历 |
| 214 | basically encouraged, if I understand correctly, to really not like | 基本上鼓励,如果我理解正确的话, 真的不喜欢 |
| 215 | acknowledge it publicly or even it sounds like privately to some extent. | 承认它公开甚至 听起来在某种程度上是私人的。 |
| 216 | Yeah, but but I think that's that's the same for so many families | 是的,但我想这样对很多家庭来说是一样的 |
| 217 | and so many cultures as well. | 还有很多文化 |
| 218 | You know, there are cultures around the world where | 你知道,世界各地都有文化 |
| 219 | in the opposite sense, you are encouraged to grieve. | 反之,鼓励你哀悼。 |
| 220 | And for three or five, it's not the one you come from. | 而为三五者,非汝来者也. |
| 221 | No, but it's the one you come from. | 不,但这是你来自。 |
| 222 | No, not really. | 不,没有。 |
| 223 | No, no. | 没有,没有。 |
| 224 | So it's it's not it doesn't come across as something from my standpoint. | 所以从我的观点来看 并不是它不会发现什么 |
| 225 | It's not a criticism. | 这不是批评 |
| 226 | Now, as a 42 year old man with two kids, a boy and a girl, | 现在,作为一个42岁的男人 有两个孩子,一个男孩和一个女孩, |
| 227 | you know, you start to learn very quickly and you start to look | 你知道,你开始学习 很快,你开始寻找 |
| 228 | and start to look back at your past and your parents | 开始回顾你的过去和父母 |
| 229 | as to what you have carried from them, what they've handed over to you, | 至于你从他们身上带走的,他们交给你的, |
| 230 | what you want to take on, what you don't. | 你想承担什么,你没有。 |
| 231 | And again, culturally, within your own family, | 同样,在文化上,在你们自己的家庭中, |
| 232 | there are certain things that you can do to, I guess, | 有些事情你可以做,我猜, |
| 233 | help your kids through that, despite what may be the case at school | 帮助孩子渡过难关,尽管学校里可能发生什么 |
| 234 | or within the country you've talked about in your family, | 或在国内,你谈 在你的家庭, |
| 235 | sort of breaking a pattern of like the way that your father was parented | 有点打破了你父亲生父的方式 |
| 236 | and the way that you were parented and trying to do it differently. | 以及你被父母抚养的方式 并试图做不同的。 |
| 237 | Right. | 对 |
| 238 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 239 | I think that's that's probably the same for many, many parents. | 我想这对很多,许多父母来说可能是一样的. |
| 240 | If the world around you is changing, then you can't stay the same. | 如果周围的世界在变化,那么你不能保持不变. |
| 241 | Again, from a British standpoint, what's really interesting | 再说一遍,从英国的角度来说,真正有趣的是 |
| 242 | and maybe this is larger than a British standpoint, | 也许这比英国的观点要大 |
| 243 | but so many people over the years have said, you know, oh, he's changed. | 但是这么多年的人都说 他变了 |
| 244 | It's like, well, so I'm no longer falling out of nightclubs drunk. | 就像,嗯,所以我不再从夜总会摔下来 醉。 |
| 245 | Is that what you is that what you wanted for me? | 这就是你想要的吗? |
| 246 | You know, do you think that's what they mean? | 你知道,你认为这是他们的意思吗? |
| 247 | No, yes, to some extent. | 不,是的,在某种程度上。 |
| 248 | Like I was, you know, that was that was entertainment for a lot of people, | 就像我,你知道, 那是娱乐 对很多人, |
| 249 | especially the press. | 特别是媒体 |
| 250 | Is that is the fair characterization of the way that you ever work? | 这就是你工作方式的公平定性吗? |
| 251 | No, no, no, of course not, because the work was the work and the play was the play. | 不,不,不,当然不是,因为作品是作品,剧本是戏剧. |
| 252 | And I was quite good at trying to balance the two. | 我非常擅长平衡两者。 |
| 253 | But, you know, when I was young, | 但是,你知道, 当我年轻的时候, |
| 254 | was I going out and having a good time with friends? | 我出去和朋友玩得开心吗? |
| 255 | Yes. | 对 |
| 256 | Was I sometimes doing that to suppress the the sadness of losing my mom? | 我有时这样做是为了抑制失去妈妈的悲伤吗? |
| 257 | Yes. | 对 |
| 258 | Was I aware of it at the time? | 我当时知道吗? |
| 259 | Absolutely not. | 绝对不是。 |
| 260 | You know, right. | 你知道,没错。 |
| 261 | Well, you talk about this in the class, the different ways in which grief | 你在课堂上谈论这件事 悲伤的不同方式 |
| 262 | can manifest, and it can be anger, irritability or depression. | 可以表现出来,也可以是愤怒,刺激或抑郁. |
| 263 | And for you, how did it manifest? | 你怎能知道呢? |
| 264 | All of it. | 所有一切众生. |
| 265 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 266 | You know, I think more so I think what is more | 你知道,我觉得更多 所以我认为什么是更多 |
| 267 | more relatable to people is the distraction piece to it. | 更让人高兴的是 分散它的注意力 |
| 268 | You know, the busyness of life, the fact that, you know, when when when it happens, | 你知道,生活的繁忙, 事实是,你知道, 当它发生的时候, |
| 269 | everyone's there for you. | 大家都在等着你 |
| 270 | But then they quickly not disappear, but everybody moves on | 但是他们不会很快消失 但每个人都会继续前进 |
| 271 | as if to say that grief is there's a beginning, a middle and an end. | 譬如说大悲有始有终. |
| 272 | And from what I've learned from from Dr. | 从我从医生那里学到的 |
| 273 | O'Connor is it's that's that's the opposite to how it is. | 奥康纳是,这是相反的 它是如何。 |
| 274 | It's like it's like this every day throughout your life. | 就像你一生中每天都这样 |
| 275 | It's not like, oh, we're going to get over it. | 我们不会忘记的 |
| 276 | It's like today's this tomorrow is that next week is this. | 就像今天的明天 下周就是这个 |
| 277 | The next month is this. | 次月是这个. |
| 278 | So there's that's just that's just reality. | 所以这就是事实 |
| 279 | But I I love the fact that I'm able to now | 但我喜欢我现在能 |
| 280 | sort of carry the memory of my mother | 有点怀念我母亲 |
| 281 | with me, with my work, rather than it hold me down, pull me back | 与我,与我的工作, 而不是它拖住我,把我拉回来 |
| 282 | or me wallowing in that grief. | 或者我沉浸在悲伤中 |
| 283 | I don't think I ever wallowed in it. | 我从不沉迷其中 |
| 284 | I don't think I was ever allowed to. | 我不认为我曾经被允许。 |
| 285 | I don't think it never really occurred to me. | 我觉得我从来没有想过 |
| 286 | But I think that, you know, us as human beings. | 但我认为,你知道,我们是人类。 |
| 287 | Funny that it didn't occur to you because to wallow in it, | 有趣的是,它没有发生在你身上 因为挂在其中, |
| 288 | because everyone knows what happened. | 因为每个人都知道发生了什么。 |
| 289 | But what happened was extraordinarily traumatic. | 但发生的事情非常令人痛苦 |
| 290 | You lost your mother when you were 12 years old | 你12岁时失去了你母亲 |
| 291 | in a horrific way in front of the world. | 以可怕的方式在世界面前。 |
| 292 | I think I think we're like, I mean, I genuinely wonder, like, | 我觉得我们像,我的意思是, 我真的想知道,喜欢, |
| 293 | does something break inside a person when something like that happens? | 当发生这样的事情时 会有什么突破吗? |
| 294 | I don't know if it breaks you, especially when you're that young. | 我不知道它是否打破你, 尤其是当你这么年轻。 |
| 295 | I don't think you can really fully comprehend what's happened. | 我不认为你能完全理解 发生了什么事。 |
| 296 | I think that certainly over over over a period of time, | 我认为,经过一段时间, |
| 297 | the resilience inside of each of us starts to grow over time. | 我们每个人内心的韧性随着时间推移而开始增强。 |
| 298 | And it's up to us to know ourselves. | 而自知则由我等. |
| 299 | Back then, I didn't know myself. | 当时,我并不了解自己. |
| 300 | The grief, the trauma, the loss, the fact that I was 12. | 悲伤 创伤 损失 我12岁的事实 |
| 301 | I had no idea who I really was. | 我不知道我是谁 |
| 302 | But over the years with life's challenges, | 但是这些年来 面对生命的挑战 |
| 303 | it does and has grown this resilience inside of me to realize, | 它确实,并且使我内心的韧性得到提升, |
| 304 | wow, this this grief can either hold you back or it can help you grow. | 哇,这种悲伤 要么会阻碍你 要么会帮助你成长 |
| 305 | You talked about basically suppressing your feelings for 20 years or so. | 你说过要压抑你20年左右的感情 |
| 306 | What has life been like for you since you stopped doing that? | 自从你停止了这种生活后 你的生活是怎样的? |
| 307 | Better and harder. | 越来越难 |
| 308 | In what way? | 怎样? |
| 309 | Well, therapy was the thing that really changed it for me | 心理治疗真的改变了我 |
| 310 | because it gave me permission to grieve and to acknowledge the fact that, | 因为它允许我悲伤和承认 |
| 311 | yeah, losing your mom really sucks. | 是啊,失去你妈妈真的很糟糕。 |
| 312 | And you're allowed to cry about it. | 并准其流泪. |
| 313 | You're allowed to. | 你被允许。 |
| 314 | Another thing you didn't do for 20 years was cry. | 你20年没做的另一件事是哭 |
| 315 | Yeah, despite trying hard. | 是啊,尽管努力。 |
| 316 | But again, I think the harder you try to cry, the harder it becomes to actually pull that off. | 但再说一遍,我觉得你越想哭, 越难真正做到这一点。 |
| 317 | But yes, crying, crying eventually feels great. | 但是,是的,哭,哭 最终感觉很好。 |
| 318 | It really does. | 确实 |
| 319 | The suppression of grief, the suppression of feelings is a really interesting thing. | 压抑悲伤,压抑感情是一件非常有趣的事情. |
| 320 | But when I tried therapy, | 但当我尝试治疗, |
| 321 | it didn't take me that long to realize, wow, I'm just being I've been numb to this. | 我没有花那么久才意识到, 哇,我只是一直 麻木了这一点。 |
| 322 | So when I talk about, yes, it's become easier and become harder or better and harder. | 所以,当我谈论,是的, 它变得更容易, 变得更难或更好和更难。 |
| 323 | It's become better for so many different reasons, because now I can be really | 因为很多不同的原因,它变得更好, 因为现在我可以真的 |
| 324 | emotionally connected to my friends, family and specifically my children. | 和我的朋友、家人,尤其是我的孩子有感情联系 |
| 325 | But at the same time with the state of the world, I'm now more sensitive to things | 但与此同时,随着世界的现状,我现在对事物更加敏感 |
| 326 | that back then I was probably more numb to. | 当时我可能更麻木了 |
| 327 | So I look at it in a very interesting way. | 所以我以非常有趣的方式看待它。 |
| 328 | It's like, wow, for today or this week, | 这就像,哇, 今天或本周, |
| 329 | I wish that I was still still not that that guy. | 我希望我还是不是那个家伙。 |
| 330 | Really? | 真的吗? |
| 331 | Yeah, generally. | 是的,一般来讲。 |
| 332 | How often do you feel that way? | 你经常这样想吗? |
| 333 | Luckily, not too many times. | 幸运的是,没有太多次。 |
| 334 | But I but I having had one foot in that world and another foot in this world. | 但我有一只脚 在那个世界上,还有一只脚在这个世界上。 |
| 335 | It's I try to find the right balance and life is about balance. | 我试着找到正确的平衡 生活就是平衡 |
| 336 | Right. | 对 |
| 337 | There are some times when you need to be able to block it out. | 有些时候你需要阻止它 |
| 338 | And there are other times when you need to be vulnerable and be open to it. | 还有其他时候,你需要 脆弱和开放。 |
| 339 | And my therapist said something very interesting to me. | 我的治疗师对我说了一些有趣的话 |
| 340 | All my first therapist said something very interesting to me from the this is from the UK. | 我的第一个心理医生都说 这件事对我非常有意思 是来自英国 |
| 341 | You should try to imagine yourself in a glass jar with the lid open | 你应该想象自己在玻璃罐里 盖子打开 |
| 342 | and all the negative stuff, the stuff that you don't want to come in, | 和所有负面的东西, 东西你不想进来, |
| 343 | just have it bouncing off the side. | 让它从侧面跳出来 |
| 344 | You get to choose what comes over the top and in. | 你可以选择从头到尾的 |
| 345 | Now, that was, I don't know, probably more than 10 years ago. | 现在,那是,我不知道, 大概10多年前。 |
| 346 | Yeah, about almost exactly 10 years ago. | 是啊,大约整整10年前。 |
| 347 | Have I perfected that? | 我完善了吗? |
| 348 | No. | 没有 |
| 349 | Am I still trying? | 我还在努力吗? |
| 350 | Yes, absolutely. | 是的,当然。 |
| 351 | But, you know, there's there's what's in our control. | 但是,你知道,有 我们控制的东西。 |
| 352 | And then there's what's not in our control. | 然后我们控制不了的东西 |
| 353 | And you've just got to you've got to manage that and have the perspective | 你刚刚得到了你必须 管理,并有视角 |
| 354 | of the things that really hurt can be really good lessons for you. | 真正伤害的东西 对你来说是很好的教训。 |
| 355 | When you mentioned the glass jar, I I my mind went somewhere else, which is. | 当你提到玻璃罐时,我思念到别的地方,这就是。 |
| 356 | Goldfish. | 金鱼. |
| 357 | Yeah, a little bit. | 是啊,一点点。 |
| 358 | Goldfish bowl. | 金鱼碗. |
| 359 | Yeah, yeah, exactly. | 没错 没错 |
| 360 | And thinking about your years of being in a difficult place with grief, | 想想你的岁月 在艰难的地方悲伤, |
| 361 | which I think would be hard for anyone and all the stuff that you just mentioned, | 我认为这对任何人和所有你刚才提到的东西来说都是困难的, |
| 362 | the seeking of distractions and not really knowing how to process it. | 寻求分心 却不知道怎么处理 |
| 363 | And then for you, there's this additional thing | 还有一件事要告诉你 |
| 364 | of the intensely public nature of the life that you're leading. | 你所领导的生活的强烈公共性质。 |
| 365 | I can't imagine that did anything but exacerbate those feelings. | 我无法想象那只会加剧这些感情 |
| 366 | Yeah, the pressure is a real thing. | 是的,压力是真实的。 |
| 367 | But it's all it's all relative in different contexts. | 但这都是在不同背景下的相对关系. |
| 368 | I my my goal here with being able to share my story, share a part of my story. | 我的目标在这里,能够分享我的故事,分享我的故事的一部分。 |
| 369 | And, you know, for the years that I've always shared elements of that, | 而且,你知道, 多年来,我一直 分享其中的要素, |
| 370 | I don't do it for myself like anyone who anyone who is grieving, | 我不为我自己做 像任何人 谁谁悲伤, |
| 371 | anyone who has grieved or had a significant loss in their life | 凡悲伤或重大损失者, |
| 372 | will probably say the same thing, which is I've I've shared | 可能也会说同样的话 我分享过 |
| 373 | what I need to share in order to help heal. | 为了治疗我需要分享的东西 |
| 374 | But for me, I know because I continually get told | 但对我来说,我知道,因为我不断被告知 |
| 375 | by everybody from 90 year olds down to nine year olds | 从90岁到9岁的人 |
| 376 | that the sharing part of my experience, sharing part of my story has helped them. | 分享我的经验,分享我的故事 帮助他们。 |
| 377 | And as long as that's the case, | 只要是这样 |
| 378 | then I'm always going to try and make it easier for other people. | 然后我总是试着让别人更轻松 |
| 379 | It doesn't matter whether it's one or a million. | 何等为一百万. |
| 380 | So you tell in the masterclass, I think it's in your book as well. | 所以,你告诉在主课, 我想它也是在你的书。 |
| 381 | This, you know, after your mom died, you you walk in this procession | 这,你知道,在你妈妈死后, 你走在这个游行中 |
| 382 | and you're touching these hands that are wet with tears. | 你碰这些手 湿透了泪水。 |
| 383 | People are crying for your mother that they've never met. | 人们为你妈妈哭泣 他们从未见过 |
| 384 | I'm not sure I could come back from something like that. | 我不确定我还能从那种地方回来 |
| 385 | What do you mean come back from it? | 你什么意思从它回来? |
| 386 | No, I'm not. | 不,我没有。 |
| 387 | I'm the one asking you questions. | 我才是问你问题的人 |
| 388 | Let's go. | 我们走吧。 |
| 389 | There is something uniquely intense. | 有一种独特的强烈。 |
| 390 | Imagining a 12 year old processing that and also the way that the memory | 想象着一个12岁 的处理方式和记忆的方式 |
| 391 | is clearly stuck with you, that, yes, I tried to imagine, like, | 很明显,你坚持, 是的,我试图想象,喜欢, |
| 392 | could I could I have experienced that? | 我能体验一下吗? |
| 393 | And gone on, you know, because you could. | 并走了,你知道, 因为你可以。 |
| 394 | There's that. | 就是这个 |
| 395 | That's the thing. | 就是这样 |
| 396 | Like we as human beings, we're constantly tested. | 和人类一样,我们不断受到考验. |
| 397 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 398 | And look, let's not forget, I'm a prince. | 听着 别忘了 我是个王子 |
| 399 | Right. | 对 |
| 400 | So all of the resources to me should have should have been available | 所以我应该有所有的资源 |
| 401 | for the reasons that we've discussed. | 我们讨论过的原因 |
| 402 | They weren't always available. | 他们并不总是有。 |
| 403 | But, you know, could I afford it? | 但是,你知道,我能买得起吗? |
| 404 | Yes. | 对 |
| 405 | Was it accessible? | 方便吗? |
| 406 | Yes. | 对 |
| 407 | You mean therapy therapy? | 你是说治疗? |
| 408 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 409 | But you weren't doing any kind of result. | 但你没有做任何的结果。 |
| 410 | No, I wasn't doing it back then. | 不,我当时不是在做 |
| 411 | But I'm just saying that, you know, my experience is my experience. | 我只是说,你知道, 我的经验是我的经验。 |
| 412 | And yes, the world saw it. | 是的,全世界都看见了。 |
| 413 | I mean, still to this day, if I ask anybody or people | 我的意思是,直到今天, 如果我问任何人或人 |
| 414 | very often come up to me and say, I remember exactly | 经常来找我说 我完全记得 |
| 415 | where I was on that day in 1997, 31st of August. | 1997年8月31日的那天我在场 |
| 416 | And, yeah, when you when you're surrounded by people on, you know, | 当你被人包围的时候 你知道 |
| 417 | different generations of where they can where they can remember | 不同的世代 他们可以在哪里 他们可以记住 |
| 418 | exactly where they were when that happened. | 事情发生时他们在哪里 |
| 419 | And then they look at me and all my brother and go, wow, | 然后他们看着我和我所有的兄弟 然后,哇, |
| 420 | you guys were teenagers, not even. | 你们是青少年,甚至没有。 |
| 421 | And this happened to you on such a public | 这发生在你这样的公众身上 |
| 422 | a public public scale. | a 公共规模。 |
| 423 | Where do you go from that? | 从何而去. |
| 424 | And that's again, from my standpoint, it's like, right, | 再说一遍,从我的观点,就像,对的, |
| 425 | you've already seen my whole life. | 你已经见过我的一生了 |
| 426 | It's I don't have a choice in that. | 我别无选择 |
| 427 | So the least I can do is try to sort of give back | 所以,我至少可以做的是尝试 排序回馈 |
| 428 | in a sense that this is actually what perhaps I was thinking then | 从某种意义上说,这就是我当时的想法 |
| 429 | and how I've sort of recovered from that. | 我从中恢复过来了 |
| 430 | And I hope that that gives some encouragement to people | 我希望这能鼓励人们 |
| 431 | that when you are rock bottom and when you're finding things | 当你是摇滚底层 当你找到东西 |
| 432 | really, really hard, that you can come back from that. | 真的,真的很难, 你可以从那里回来。 |
| 433 | And look, at the end of the day, Zach, so much of this is about community | 你看,在一天结束时,扎克, 所以,这大部分是关于社区 |
| 434 | and support of those around you and understanding that grief | 支持你身边的人,并理解你的悲伤 |
| 435 | isn't just that moment. | 不只是那一刻。 |
| 436 | You know, someone years later might have a complete breakdown. | 你知道,几年后某个人 可能会完全崩溃。 |
| 437 | And that's when they need you the most, as opposed to the day after when it happened. | 那时他们最需要你 而不是第二天 |
| 438 | You also talk, you guys talk in the class about how | 你们也说话,你们在课堂上谈论 |
| 439 | grief takes many forms. | 悲伤有多种形式。 |
| 440 | Forgive me, because I don't know the details here. | 原谅我,因为我不知道这里的细节。 |
| 441 | And details of what? | 什么细节? |
| 442 | Here comes the question. | 问曰. |
| 443 | You have talked about at times having a complicated relationship | 你曾经说过有一段复杂的关系 |
| 444 | with your brother, your father. | 与你的兄弟,你的父亲。 |
| 445 | Is that something that you agree? | 你同意吗? |
| 446 | Yeah, yes, of course. | 当然了 |
| 447 | I think from a family perspective, again, another massively relatable issue | 从家庭角度来说,我再次认为 另一个巨大的可重复的问题 |
| 448 | for so many people, people, you know, there's | 对于这么多人,人, 你知道,有 |
| 449 | sibling disagreements. | 兄弟之间的分歧。 |
| 450 | There's, you know, broken relationships between, | 有,你知道, 打破的关系, |
| 451 | you know, kids and their parents, kids and one parent. | 你知道,孩子和他们的父母,孩子和父母之一。 |
| 452 | Like that's that that is that continues to come up with me the whole time | 就像我一直想着那样 |
| 453 | by people that I speak to. | 被我说话的人。 |
| 454 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 455 | So I know how relatable it is. | 所以我知道它是多么令人高兴。 |
| 456 | That's probably why there's so much fascination in the | 这可能是为什么 有很多的迷 |
| 457 | everybody's family, everyone's family. | 每个人都是家人,每个人都是家人。 |
| 458 | And then people maybe look at us and go, how are you going to work it out? | 然后人们可能看着我们 然后走,你打算怎么做? |
| 459 | And then maybe how how I see you're going to work it out. | 然后也许我看你会怎样处理 |
| 460 | Maybe that will help me work my stuff out. | 也许那能帮我把东西弄好 |
| 461 | And some people don't. | 而有些人则不会. |
| 462 | How are you going to work it out? | 你打算怎么解决? |
| 463 | Well, some people don't want it to work out. | 一些人不希望事情发生 |
| 464 | I want it to work out. | 欲得圆满. |
| 465 | You do. | 没错 |
| 466 | Of course I do. | 当然 |
| 467 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 468 | There's no. | 没有。 |
| 469 | Again, with everything else that's going on in the world, | 再说一遍 世界上发生的一切 |
| 470 | the most important thing is to is, you know, is to reconcile. | 最重要的是,你知道,是和解。 |
| 471 | That's the key point. | 这是关键所在。 |
| 472 | Well, so much of the class two is about this idea of repair. | 那么,很多的二年级 是关于这个修理的想法。 |
| 473 | Right. | 对 |
| 474 | Like that grief is is not an inevitable fact that something that can be repaired. | 就像这种悲伤并不是一个不可避免的事实,那就是可以修复的东西。 |
| 475 | And so like the thought that would be, you know, is this is this wound | 就像你所想的,你知道,这是伤口 |
| 476 | something that you think you can repair? | 你觉得你能修复的东西? |
| 477 | Yeah, of course. | 当然 |
| 478 | I think every look scars, scars stick around forever. | 我觉得每个外表的伤疤,伤疤 永远地缠绕在一起。 |
| 479 | But how you how what your perception is and what your mindset is | 但你如何看待你的看法和思维 |
| 480 | to those things that have happened, certainly letting go of the past. | 那些已经发生的事情, 肯定放弃过去。 |
| 481 | That's something that I would encourage everybody to do. | 那是我鼓励大家做的事 |
| 482 | If there's certain things from the past that are still affecting you every day, | 如果过去的某些事情 仍然影响着你的每一天 |
| 483 | that's harder to let go of. | 很难放手 |
| 484 | But for me, it's the there's enough drama in the world | 但对我来说,这是 世界上有足够的戏剧 |
| 485 | and enough drama in people's lives. | 和足够的戏剧 在人们的生活。 |
| 486 | Than to continue with issues, with with family, you know, | 而不是继续 问题,与家庭,你知道, |
| 487 | it's just like not it's not worth it. | 这就像不 它不值得。 |
| 488 | That's hard to say to people. | 难对人说. |
| 489 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 490 | When you're in it. | 当入其中. |
| 491 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 492 | I mean, are you on good terms with everyone in your family? | 我是说,你和你家里的每个人 关系都好吗? |
| 493 | Maybe you're maybe maybe you're not. | 也许你可能不是 |
| 494 | But this is the first time you're about to share that you're not. | 但这是你第一次想分享自己没有的 |
| 495 | And they suddenly realized, but I thought we were on good terms. | 他们突然意识到了, 但我觉得我们关系很好。 |
| 496 | Well, now I feel like the way you feel where I'm just watching them | 现在我感觉你的感觉就像我看着他们的样子 |
| 497 | watch this and be like, is he going to talk about me? | 看这个,就像, 他会谈论我吗? |
| 498 | I would say generally, yes, you know, I mean, I think the thing | 我一般会说,是的,你知道, 我的意思是,我觉得事情 |
| 499 | you asked about my family, | 你问我的家庭, |
| 500 | you didn't ask for this confidence, but I know your father's been sick. | 你没有要求这种信任 但我知道你父亲病了 |
| 501 | Mine was diagnosed with prostate cancer a few years ago. | 几年前我被诊断为前列腺癌 |
| 502 | He's actually doing well. | 他实际上做得很好。 |
| 503 | But another thing watching your class made me think of is I felt in moments | 但看你的课让我想起的 另一件事是,我感觉在瞬间 |
| 504 | almost in a kind of anticipatory grief. | 几乎在某种预兆性的悲痛中。 |
| 505 | That makes sense. | 这有道理。 |
| 506 | You know, where you sort of start contemplating. | 你知道,你开始思考的地方。 |
| 507 | I wonder if you felt something similar. | 我想知道你是否觉得类似的东西。 |
| 508 | Yeah, yes, I have. | 是的,是的,我见过。 |
| 509 | And I think that that is perhaps helpful. | 我认为这也许有帮助。 |
| 510 | Because you know what I mean? | 因为你明白我的意思吗? |
| 511 | I think that, you know, again, it's the one thing that we were all going | 我想,你知道,再次, 这是一件事,我们都要去 |
| 512 | to experience, which is the loss of a parent, both parents | 父母双方的死亡 |
| 513 | and the loss of friends. | 还有失去朋友 |
| 514 | That's universal. | 这是普遍的。 |
| 515 | It is universal. | 它具有普遍性。 |
| 516 | Well, you you've done a lot of charitable work | 你做了许多慈善工作 |
| 517 | and I think a lot of thinking about PTSI. | 我想了很多关于PTSI的想法。 |
| 518 | Thanks for referring to it as PTSI. | 谢谢你把它称为PTSI。 |
| 519 | Right. | 对 |
| 520 | Because, yes, instead of PTSD, | 因为,是的,而不是PTSD, |
| 521 | I would think having suffered the traumatic death of a parent | 我想是父母的创伤性死亡 |
| 522 | that something like this could be very triggering in that respect. | 类似的东西 可能非常触发 在这方面。 |
| 523 | What? | 你说什么? |
| 524 | Having a sick parent now? | 现在有一个生病的父母吗? |
| 525 | Yes, but he's getting better. | 是的,但他越来越好。 |
| 526 | So, yeah, I think there's a big difference between losing one parent | 所以,是的,我认为有一个很大的区别 失去一个父母 |
| 527 | and losing two from the from the friends of mine that have lost two. | 失去了两个 从我的朋友 已经失去了两个。 |
| 528 | They go, well, now I'm an orphan, even if you're in your 40s or 50s. | 他们去,好了,现在我是一个孤儿, 即使你40或50多岁。 |
| 529 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 530 | So it's an interesting. | 所以这很有趣。 |
| 531 | I'd never heard someone say that to me before. | 我以前从没听过有人这么对我说 |
| 532 | I was like, well, I hadn't considered that. | 我当时想,嗯,我没有考虑。 |
| 533 | But then also, I've always thought to myself since I was a young kid | 但同样,我从小就想着 |
| 534 | and conversations with other friends of mine, which is | 和我其他朋友的谈话 |
| 535 | if you had a choice, what would you choose | 如果你有选择 你会选择什么 |
| 536 | to have a parent ripped away from you suddenly without any preparation | 突然被一个家长从你身边夺走 却毫无准备 |
| 537 | or having the long term suffering, but the ability to say goodbye? | 或者长期受苦,但能说再见? |
| 538 | And it turns out that there that I want to know your answer. | 结果我想知道你的答案 |
| 539 | There is there is no answer because, | 没有答案,因为, |
| 540 | you know, I've got friends and family who are suffering from cancer. | 你知道,我有朋友和家人 谁患有癌症。 |
| 541 | I've had a mom that was taken away from me too soon. | 我有一个妈妈 被带走太早。 |
| 542 | And I speak have spoken very openly about one of my biggest regrets | 我的发言非常公开地谈到我最大的遗憾之一 |
| 543 | is that last phone call I had with her. | 我跟她打过最后一通电话 |
| 544 | Um, if I'd known it was the last call with her, | 嗯,如果我知道这是最后一次和她通话, |
| 545 | how different that conversation would have been. | 谈话会有多不一样 |
| 546 | And I'm the one that has to live with that. | 而我是那个必须忍受的人。 |
| 547 | And the fact that as a 12 year old kid, all I wanted to do was go off | 而事实上,作为一个12岁的孩子, 我想做的只是去 |
| 548 | and run and play with my cousins. | 和我的表弟们一起跑步玩耍 |
| 549 | And you have to you have to know that you have to know that, | 你必须知道,你必须知道, |
| 550 | especially as a parent yourself now. | 特别是现在的家长 |
| 551 | Of course, of course. | 当然,当然。 |
| 552 | But before I was a parent, that was a sort of | 但在我做父母之前 有点像 |
| 553 | bit of guilt and stuff that just really stuck with me. | 有点内疚 和那些真正粘住我的东西。 |
| 554 | It was like heavy. | 这就像沉重的。 |
| 555 | And and then, yeah, when you become a parent, | 然后,是的,当你成为父母, |
| 556 | of course, it changes things. | 当然,它改变了事物。 |
| 557 | Yes. | 对 |
| 558 | I mean, I haven't even asked you like | 我的意思是,我还没有问你喜欢 |
| 559 | when it comes to grief and loss. | 以悲伤和损失为代价。 |
| 560 | What is your experience of this? | 你有什么经验? |
| 561 | I have a surreal experience. | 我有一个超现实的经验。 |
| 562 | It's sort of what I was looking to earlier, which is that both of my parents | 这有点像我刚才所期待的, 那就是我的父母 |
| 563 | have had relatively bad forms of cancer that they both have survived. | 患了相对较坏的癌症 他们都活下来了 |
| 564 | So I've had the anticipatory grief. | 所以我有预兆性的悲痛。 |
| 565 | And I have many friends who have lost one or both parents. | 我有许多朋友失去了父母之一或双亲。 |
| 566 | In fact, I had a conversation with my father, | 事实上,我和我父亲谈过了 |
| 567 | but he was sort of preparing me for his death, if we're being honest with each other. | 但他在为我的死做准备 如果我们是诚实的 |
| 568 | And I kind of was like, I have any experiences, | 我有点像,我有经验, |
| 569 | but I I barely have a friend who who has it. | 但我几乎没有一个朋友 谁拥有它。 |
| 570 | Like, you don't have to tell me that this is going to happen. | 喜欢,你不必告诉我 这是要去发生。 |
| 571 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 572 | But also, I sit here | 但是,我坐在这里 |
| 573 | and knowing that I do not know what is coming and I cannot be ready for it. | 并且知道我不知道接下来会发生什么 我不能为它做好准备。 |
| 574 | How would you how would you prepare yourself for it? | 你怎么准备? |
| 575 | I mean, watching the class, does that help? | 我的意思是,看课, 这有帮助吗? |
| 576 | Of course it helps. | 当然有帮助 |
| 577 | I mean, I think you in general sharing your story helps. | 我的意思是,我认为你总的来说 分享你的故事有帮助。 |
| 578 | Well, anyone sharing their story should help. | 好吧,任何人分享他们的故事 应该帮助。 |
| 579 | Yes, yes, yes. | 对,对,对。 |
| 580 | That's the point of it. | 即是其义. |
| 581 | Yes. | 对 |
| 582 | Well, there I have a journalist mind. | 我有一个记者的想法 |
| 583 | So there's there's a certain vividness to the version of it that you experienced, | 因此,有某种生动的 你经历的版本, |
| 584 | which is easy for me to wrap my not easy for me to wrap my head around. | 这对我来说是容易的 包住我并不容易 包住我的头。 |
| 585 | But there's I mean, how many books have been written about this? | 但是,我是说,有多少书 已经写了这一点? |
| 586 | It's literally it's literally narratively sort of out there. | 从字面上来说,它就是从字面上讲出来的。 |
| 587 | But also, yeah, the way that how many books have been read about what grief? | 但是,还有,是的, 读了多少书 关于什么悲伤? |
| 588 | No, about your family and your mother. | 不,关于你的家人和你妈妈 |
| 589 | Oh, yeah. | 对 |
| 590 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 591 | I mean, thousands. | 我的意思是,成千上万。 |
| 592 | I wrote one. | 我写了一个 |
| 593 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 594 | But they all wrote thousands. | 但他们都写了上千条 |
| 595 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 596 | Well, I was going to ask you about this, too, because I feel like that | 我本来也想问你的 因为我觉得 |
| 597 | you make stuff, you know, like I feel like I don't not a royal family expert. | 你制造的东西,你知道, 像我感觉我不 一个皇室专家。 |
| 598 | But it's not like you look like you're wearing a blazer. | 却不似身着宝衣. |
| 599 | I mean, it's half the half. | 我的意思是,这是一半。 |
| 600 | Let me in. | 让我进去 |
| 601 | Uh, it feels like the way that you, you know, you wrote this book, | 就像你写这本书一样 |
| 602 | you made this masterclass, you when you guys came to California, you, you know, | 你做了这个大师级,你 当你来到加利福尼亚,你知道, |
| 603 | you were you were doing Hollywood stuff and production stuff. | 你在做好莱坞的东西和制作的东西。 |
| 604 | but that's not kind of like common for your family, right? | 但这对你家人来说并不常见 对吧? |
| 605 | So it makes up the storytelling. | 所以它编造了故事。 |
| 606 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 607 | You know, it's it's it's being in certain situations and and being able to use | 你知道,这是它 在某些情况 和能够使用 |
| 608 | and use creatively the platforms that are available to be able to share stories. | 并创造性地利用现有的平台来分享故事。 |
| 609 | So that my whole life, my whole background is charity. | 所以,我的整个生活, 我的整个背景是慈善。 |
| 610 | Yes. | 对 |
| 611 | And what I realized very quickly when I moved over here was | 当我搬到这里时,我很快意识到 |
| 612 | charity is so much at the downstream end. | 慈善事业在下游的尽头是如此之多。 |
| 613 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 614 | What can I do with my life that is more upstream? | 我还能用更上游的生活做什么? |
| 615 | That's it's not about putting charity out of business. | 这不是要让慈善机构退出生意 |
| 616 | But but if if the problem now exists | 但是如果问题现在存在 |
| 617 | and it's so big that it needs charitable support, | 它这么大,需要慈善支持 |
| 618 | then what can you do other than put a put a plaster or bandaid on it? | 那你除了给它贴个石膏或带子外还能做什么? |
| 619 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 620 | So, you know, my work with better up, for instance, online coaching platform | 所以,你知道,我的工作 更好的,例如在线指导平台 |
| 621 | was really focused on the upstream. | 真正专注于上游。 |
| 622 | Like if we can, you know, democratize and basically get as much coaching out there | 就像我们可以,你知道, 民主化和基本上得到尽可能多的教练在那里 |
| 623 | as possible from everyone, from the CEO to the janitor | 尽可能从每个人, 从CEO到清洁工 |
| 624 | in these large corporations, large businesses, then hopefully they won't | 这些大公司,大企业, 然后希望他们不会 |
| 625 | be in the situation that I was, which is lying on the floor | 我当时的处境 躺在地上 |
| 626 | in the fetal position in your kitchen. | 在你的厨房的胎儿位置。 |
| 627 | Which is the thing that happened. | 事情就是这样的 |
| 628 | Which was the thing that happens for so many people. | 很多人都这样 |
| 629 | Well, I'm asking about you, though. | 好吧,我问你,虽然。 |
| 630 | Yeah, that's that's that's that's a reality. | 对,这就是事实 |
| 631 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 632 | Right. | 对 |
| 633 | It's just interesting how life pans out. | 人生的结局很有趣 |
| 634 | It was like, wow, the sooner that you can get to know yourself. | 这就像,哇, 你越早可以了解自己。 |
| 635 | And what I mean by that is actually like who you are, what is your identity? | 我的意思是,其实你是谁, 你是什么身份? |
| 636 | What are the things that you love doing? | 你爱的东西是什么? |
| 637 | The things you what are the triggers? | 你是什么触发器? |
| 638 | What are the things that you know that you should avoid? | 你知道你应该避免什么? |
| 639 | And how do you have what is your shield? | 你怎么会有盾牌? |
| 640 | The moment you are able to establish those things, | 当你能够建立这些东西, |
| 641 | then you know yourself better. | 那你会更了解你自己 |
| 642 | You can protect yourself better from the things that are outside of your control. | 你可以更好地保护自己 远离你控制之外的东西 |
| 643 | So I now know how to grieve. | 所以我现在知道怎么悲伤了 |
| 644 | I know that, you know, when the next person in my close life, | 我知道,你知道, 当我的亲近生活中的下一个人, |
| 645 | you know, passes and I lose them, I don't know how I'm going to react. | 你知道,通过和 我失去了他们, 我不知道我如何反应。 |
| 646 | I assume that I'm going to break down and cry. | 我想我要崩溃和哭泣。 |
| 647 | And if I can't cry, I'm going to be like, come on, how are we in this situation? | 如果我不能哭,我会像, 来吧,我们如何在这种情况下? |
| 648 | Again, how are we back here again? | 再说一遍,我们怎么回来? |
| 649 | Come on, after all these years. | 来吧,经过这么多年。 |
| 650 | But, you know, I find myself getting very emotional about in all sorts | 但是,你知道,我发现自己 非常情绪化 在各种 |
| 651 | of different situations. | 不同情况。 |
| 652 | And normally it's but there's a whole crowd of people. | 通常情况下,它只是有一大群人。 |
| 653 | There's cameras and stuff like that. | 有摄像头之类的东西 |
| 654 | And it might be a really happy moment. | 这可能是一个非常快乐的时刻。 |
| 655 | I'm like, whoa, where's that come from? | 我就像,哇,这是从哪里来的? |
| 656 | And I just feel like, well, maybe I just maybe the tears here | 我只是觉得,嗯, 也许我只是 眼泪在这里 |
| 657 | is not just contained to this moment, | 不只是现在, |
| 658 | but it's connected to so many other moments in my life as well. | 但它与我生命中很多其他时刻有关 |
| 659 | Yes. | 对 |
| 660 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 661 | And then I go and I don't cry because I'm in front of everybody. | 然后我去,我不哭 因为我在大家面前。 |
| 662 | And then I go home and go, right now, cry. | 然后我回家去,现在,哭。 |
| 663 | No, the moment's passed. | 不,这一刻过去了。 |
| 664 | That's I mean, what you're describing is very difficult, | 我是说,你所描述的很困难 |
| 665 | which is like I feel a feeling, but I'm being observed. | 这就像我的感觉, 但我被观察。 |
| 666 | So I can't fully feel it. | 所以我不能完全感觉到它。 |
| 667 | And then I got to go home and recreate it. | 然后我要回家再创造它。 |
| 668 | And it's not there. | 且道不见. |
| 669 | And you must feel insane. | 你一定觉得很疯狂 |
| 670 | No, you don't feel insane. | 不,你没有感觉疯了。 |
| 671 | And I certainly don't want any sympathy. | 我当然不希望任何同情。 |
| 672 | That's where we're way past that. | 我们从这里走过 |
| 673 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 674 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 675 | Because I'm a prince. | 因为我是王子 |
| 676 | Like, oh, no. | 喜欢,哦,不。 |
| 677 | Well, thank you for saying that. | 谢谢你这么说 |
| 678 | That's great. | 赞曰. |
| 679 | But I've you know, I've I've got a support network around me. | 但我知道,我有一个支持网络 我周围。 |
| 680 | I've I've done, you know, different forms of therapy and I put in the work. | 我已经做了,你知道, 不同形式的治疗,我把工作。 |
| 681 | Right. | 对 |
| 682 | I didn't have to. | 没必要 |
| 683 | I wonder where I would be if I didn't. | 我不知道如果我没有,我会在哪里。 |
| 684 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 685 | You know, it could be very different, a different situation. | 你知道,这可能是非常不同的, 一个不同的情况。 |
| 686 | And 10 years in the military really grounded me. | 在军队里待了十年 把我禁足了 |
| 687 | It gave me a set of a specific set of skills, | 它给了我一套特定的技能, |
| 688 | but it gave me it gave me | 但它给了我它给我 |
| 689 | a certain set of values that I will live by for the rest of my life. | 一定的价值观 我将度过我的余生。 |
| 690 | It's such an interesting thing that you bring that up because I was reflecting | 你提起这个真有趣 因为我在反省 |
| 691 | on the fact that it's clearly a very important chapter in your life. | 这显然是你生命中很重要的一章 |
| 692 | And it seems like among maybe before marriage and kids, | 婚姻和孩子之前, |
| 693 | the happiest that you kind of ever were. | 最快乐的是你 |
| 694 | Yeah, well, it was you know what was weird? | 是啊,你知道什么是奇怪的吗? |
| 695 | It was it was an escape for me. | 对我来说是逃跑 |
| 696 | And I didn't realize what it was doing for me then | 我当时还不知道它对我有什么好处 |
| 697 | or what I was using it to get away from. | 或者我用它来逃避什么 |
| 698 | I was running from something and being in the military | 我从某件事情中跑出来当兵 |
| 699 | gave me the perfect distraction. | 让我分心了 |
| 700 | And I was also the perfect candidate, | 我也是一个完美的候选人, |
| 701 | highly, highly, highly adrenalized 20 something year old. | 高度,高度,高度肾上腺化 20岁的东西。 |
| 702 | You make a joke about this in your book. | 你在书里开玩笑 |
| 703 | It's like divorced parents like lost mother, like, come on down. | 这就像离婚的父母 像失去的母亲一样, 下来。 |
| 704 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 705 | And strip away the title and who I am and everything else. | 并剥去头衔,我是谁和一切。 |
| 706 | It's like you come from a broken home and so many people come from broken homes. | 就像你来自一个破碎的家 很多人来自破碎的家 |
| 707 | And actually, when it comes to recruiting, | 实际上,当涉及到招募, |
| 708 | we are very good at recruiting from broken homes. | 我们非常擅长从破碎的房屋中招募人员。 |
| 709 | And and highly adrenalized individuals will operate really well in uniform. | 和高度肾上腺素化的个人 将真正良好的操作 在制服。 |
| 710 | But this is when post-traumatic stress and all that stuff comes up | 但这是创伤后压力 和所有的东西出现 |
| 711 | and where the research shows that so many of the so many of us | 研究显示我们中这么多人 |
| 712 | who have served operationally, who might be suffering | 工作过的人 可能正在受苦 |
| 713 | from some form of post-traumatic stress, that the incident was the trigger. | 从某种创伤后应激反应, 事件是触发。 |
| 714 | But what it has now opened up is is proceeds service and everything else. | 但是,它现在打开的是收益服务和其他一切。 |
| 715 | Proceeds service. | 收益服务。 |
| 716 | And it's it's it's childhood trauma. | 也是童年的创伤 |
| 717 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 718 | Of which so many of us carry. | 这么多人带着它 |
| 719 | Some of us are aware of it. | 我们有些人知道这一点。 |
| 720 | A lot of us. | 我们很多人 |
| 721 | Right. | 对 |
| 722 | And it's also a place where the guy next to you | 也是你身边那个家伙的地方 |
| 723 | isn't going to turn to you and have a really emotional conversation. | 不会转向你 并有一个真正的情感谈话。 |
| 724 | No, of course not. | 不,当然不是。 |
| 725 | Well, that's again, like the cultural aspect. | 嗯,这是再次, 像文化方面。 |
| 726 | Right. | 对 |
| 727 | We are we are encouraged as men. | 我们作为男人受到鼓舞。 |
| 728 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 729 | Not to not to be vulnerable. | 不为无上菩提. |
| 730 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 731 | But then the moment you have kids, you realize that | 但一旦你有了孩子 你就会意识到 |
| 732 | you need to be vulnerable. | 你需要变得脆弱。 |
| 733 | Yes. | 对 |
| 734 | And I've said over and over again for years and years and years, | 我一遍又一遍地说, 多年和多年, |
| 735 | like being vulnerable is not weakness. | 就像脆弱不是软弱 |
| 736 | It is strength, especially the fact that in my life | 这是力量,特别是我生命中 |
| 737 | I will defend my family with full strength, but at the same time, | 我会全力捍卫我的家庭 但与此同时 |
| 738 | I can be the vulnerable individual, whether it's as a husband | 我可以成为脆弱的个人, 不管它是作为丈夫 |
| 739 | or whether as a father. | 或作为父亲。 |
| 740 | And again, it goes back to balance. | 再说一遍,它回到了平衡。 |
| 741 | I think the balance is absolutely key. | 我认为平衡是绝对关键。 |
| 742 | You can't just be this, you know, macho dude who has no sensitivity, | 你不能只是这个,你知道的, 大男人谁没有敏感, |
| 743 | is unable to be vulnerable and is basically just a douche. | 无法脆弱,基本上只是一个混蛋。 |
| 744 | Yes. | 对 |
| 745 | Although it's interesting, I have two young children. | 虽然这很有趣,但我有两个孩子。 |
| 746 | And I think about this because they're still at the age | 我想到这一点,因为他们仍然在年龄 |
| 747 | where they they think I'm kind of can do everything. | 在那里他们觉得我可以做任何事情。 |
| 748 | You know, I'm like Superman. | 我就像超人一样 |
| 749 | And it is great. | 这是伟大的。 |
| 750 | But then I'm like, well, can I show vulnerability? | 但是,然后我像,嗯, 我可以显示弱点? |
| 751 | Am I going to like puncture that that idea that their dad is invincible? | 我会喜欢刺穿那个想法 他们的父亲是不可战胜的? |
| 752 | You know? | 你知道吗? |
| 753 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 754 | Well, they they need they need to know that you are not invincible. | 他们需要知道你不是无敌的 |
| 755 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 756 | I think is the key. | 我认为这是关键。 |
| 757 | You know, none of us are invincible. | 你知道,我们都是不可战胜的。 |
| 758 | And certainly in the military, we always have this ability | 当然在军队里 我们总是有这种能力 |
| 759 | to be able to kind of put on the cloak. | 能够穿上斗篷 |
| 760 | The uniform was the cloak. | 制服是斗篷。 |
| 761 | It's like I am invincible. | 这就像我无敌。 |
| 762 | And that mindset certainly got yourself into shit, but also out of shit. | 而这种心态确实让你自己陷入了困境,但也从中脱颖而出。 |
| 763 | But you we all have got to learn when to take that cloak off. | 但是你们我们都要学会何时脱掉那件斗篷 |
| 764 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 765 | And it's not always wearing the cloak. | 而且它并不总是穿着斗篷。 |
| 766 | And it's not always not wearing it. | 而且它并不总是不穿它。 |
| 767 | But it's finding the right moments to go, OK, this is when I need to be | 但它正在寻找合适的时间去, OK,这是我需要的时候 |
| 768 | this version of me and this is why I need to be this version of me. | 这就是我需要成为我这个版本的原因。 |
| 769 | You said I think you said in the class that you think about your mother | 你说你在课堂上说 想着你妈妈 |
| 770 | almost every day. | 几乎每天都这样 |
| 771 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 772 | What do you think about it? | 你觉得怎么样? |
| 773 | Like a happy memory, a sad memory, is it advice? | 像快乐的记忆,悲伤的记忆,这是建议吗? |
| 774 | Is it what do you think about? | 你觉得怎么样? |
| 775 | I don't go too deep. | 我不会走太深。 |
| 776 | I don't I don't sit there and I probably should, | 我不坐在那里 我也许应该 |
| 777 | but I don't sit there and go really deep into how am I feeling. | 但我不会坐在那里 深入了解我的感受 |
| 778 | It's just a quick sort of like, well, miss you. | 只是有点像,嗯,想你 |
| 779 | Wonder what the world would be like if you were still here. | 想知道如果你还在这里 世界会是什么样子。 |
| 780 | Wonder what my family would be like if you were still here. | 不知道如果你还在这里 我的家人会怎么样 |
| 781 | So there's there are questions that that I that I that I sort of ask myself. | 因此,有些问题,我需要问自己。 |
| 782 | And sometimes it's questions that I ask her looking for some kind of response. | 有时候我问她一些问题 想要得到某种回应 |
| 783 | And sometimes I do get a response. | 有时我会得到一个回应。 |
| 784 | You can answer. | 汝可答问. |
| 785 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 786 | And that's the thing. | 这就是问题所在。 |
| 787 | Like, I think it's it's really interesting when, you know, she's | 喜欢,我觉得这是真的很有趣 当,你知道,她 |
| 788 | he's obviously spent too much time in California. | 他显然在加州待了太久了 |
| 789 | But it's having done the work that I've done. | 但它已经完成了我的工作。 |
| 790 | There is there is there is a connection still | 还有联系 |
| 791 | with with my mom that I really do feel her energy at certain times | 和我妈妈在一起 我真的感觉到她在某些时候的能量 |
| 792 | and certain parts of my life. | 我生命中的某些部分 |
| 793 | We don't have to blame that in California. | 在加利福尼亚,我们不必责怪他 |
| 794 | That's a legitimate feeling. | 这是一种合理的感觉。 |
| 795 | Is it though? | 是吗? |
| 796 | It's a legitimate feeling. | 这是正当的感受 |
| 797 | But I for someone for a lot of people watching this would be like, oh, | 但我为很多人看的人 会像,哦, |
| 798 | what like what you now like connected to your mom and all sorts of stuff. | 喜欢什么你喜欢 现在联系你的妈妈 和各种东西。 |
| 799 | So yes, the answer would be yes. | 所以,答案是肯定的。 |
| 800 | I mean, yes, the answer would be yes. | 我是说 是的 答案是肯定的 |
| 801 | You know, there's there's a there's an energetic piece to this, which I never | 你知道,有一个有 一个充满活力的作品,我从来没有 |
| 802 | I never I never appreciated, never realized. | 我从来不欣赏,也从未意识到 |
| 803 | But when when my son, when Archie was born | 但当我的儿子 阿奇出生的时候 |
| 804 | and I had to go back into London and do the 40 minute drive in and out of London, | 我不得不回到伦敦 并做40分钟 进出伦敦, |
| 805 | I was so stressed with everything that was happening | 我对所发生的一切感到压力很大 |
| 806 | and everything that I was having to deal with. | 和一切我必须处理。 |
| 807 | But then I would come back and I would literally take Archie off of of Megan. | 但我会回来 并且我会把Archie从Megan身上带走 |
| 808 | And if I was still stressed, he would feel it immediately. | 如果我还有压力 他会立刻感觉到的 |
| 809 | Yes. | 对 |
| 810 | And I got into this habit of, right, OK, I'm now going to use this 40 minute | 现在我要用这40分钟 |
| 811 | drive to be able to try and like just get that even when I got to the door | 开车去试一试 即使我到了门口 |
| 812 | of the house, I'd be like, like, can I can I just let's test this now? | 我可以试试吗? |
| 813 | I go in a hold and he like leans into me. | 我被困住了,他喜欢靠近我 |
| 814 | I'm like, oh, OK. | 我很喜欢,哦,OK。 |
| 815 | So the energy is that this is a real thing. | 所以,能量是,这是一个真实的事情。 |
| 816 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 817 | And I think as a parent, we've just got to be so conscious | 我想作为一个父母, 我们只是有这么清醒 |
| 818 | about what we carry that they can pick up, especially like kids can pick up | 关于我们携带什么,他们可以捡, 尤其是像孩子可以捡 |
| 819 | that we know how we're feeling and maybe we don't know how we're feeling. | 我们了解我们的感受 也许我们不知道我们的感受。 |
| 820 | Your kids be the first people to tell you | 你的孩子是第一个告诉你的人 |
| 821 | because they want to hang out with you. | 因为他们想跟你在一起 |
| 822 | Yes. | 对 |
| 823 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 824 | And I don't know if you feel that as well. | 我不知道你是否也有这种感觉 |
| 825 | I feel I feel an energetic responsibility. | 我觉得自己有积极的责任 |
| 826 | I think it's what you're talking about, too. | 我想这也是你所说的 |
| 827 | Yes. | 对 |
| 828 | You don't want to bring whatever toxicity you're carrying around, | 你不想带任何你携带的毒性, |
| 829 | whether it's anger or frustration around them, it feels. | 无论是愤怒还是挫折感 都是一种感觉 |
| 830 | It's responsibility. | 这是责任 |
| 831 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 832 | It's not always going to be possible. | 未必总能. |
| 833 | Yes. | 对 |
| 834 | And you shouldn't and you shouldn't really like put that on yourself. | 你不应该,你不应该真的 喜欢穿你自己。 |
| 835 | But where where it is possible, where you can try to heal yourself | 但凡有可能的地方,你可以试图治愈自己 |
| 836 | from the past, even heal yourself from the last week for their sake. | 从过去开始,甚至从上周开始,为了他们 |
| 837 | You should absolutely do that. | 你应该这样做。 |
| 838 | Yes. | 对 |
| 839 | And my I guess the reason why I keep sharing some parts of my story | 而我猜为什么我一直 分享我的故事的一些部分 |
| 840 | is because and this is very much the same case in the in the mental health | 因为在精神健康方面,这种情况非常相同。 |
| 841 | community, which is global. | 社区,这是全球性的。 |
| 842 | You don't want anybody else to go through what you went through. | 你不想让别人经历你经历的一切 |
| 843 | And if there's some version of a lesson learned that you can share | 如果有什么版本的教训 你可以分享 |
| 844 | to help someone else, then you'll do everything you can to ensure that. | 帮助别人, 然后你会尽力确保这一点。 |
| 845 | You have mentioned a few times now this idea of sharing your story | 你提过几次,现在这个想法 分享你的故事 |
| 846 | and sharing your story. | 并分享你的故事。 |
| 847 | And do you ever feel like, oh, man, I've put a lot out there? | 你是否觉得,哦,伙计,我放了很多? |
| 848 | Yes. | 对 |
| 849 | But I prefer I prefer me to be putting things out there | 但我更喜欢放东西出去 |
| 850 | rather than the machine creating stuff. | 而不是机器创造的东西。 |
| 851 | What do you mean by that? | 这是什么意思? |
| 852 | It doesn't matter whether you if you if you're someone like me, | 如果你是像我这样的人,这不重要 |
| 853 | if you're sitting back, staying quiet, keeping low. | 如果你坐在后面,保持安静,保持低调。 |
| 854 | Yeah, the stories, the stories don't stop. | 是啊,故事,故事不会停止。 |
| 855 | The stories are continuous. | 故事是连续的。 |
| 856 | So you either just sit there and accept that all this crap is going to be, | 所以,你要么就坐在那里 接受这一切废话会是, |
| 857 | you know, created and people are going to write books about you | 你知道,创造和人们会写 关于你的书 |
| 858 | and people are going to write stories, the hundred of thousand millions | 人们会写故事, 亿万 |
| 859 | of stories about you over the years. | 这些年来你的故事 |
| 860 | Yes. | 对 |
| 861 | And the vast majority of them are made up, untrue | 他们中绝大多数是编造的, |
| 862 | or just really badly sourced or within a gender. | 或只是非常糟糕的来源 或在性别。 |
| 863 | So why not share some of your story? | 那为什么不分享你的故事呢? |
| 864 | Why not try to be in control? | 为什么不试着控制? |
| 865 | Even if it freaks you out of your own story? | 即使它吓到你了你自己的故事? |
| 866 | Because if they if they can't be responsible enough to tell your story, | 因为如果他们不能负责地告诉你的故事 |
| 867 | then you have to tell your own story. | 那你必须说出你自己的故事 |
| 868 | But at the same time, you know, I've been really criticised | 但与此同时,你知道, 我被批评 |
| 869 | for telling my story. | 说我的故事。 |
| 870 | And you have and I find that I find it is fascinating | 而你有,我发现,我觉得它很迷人 |
| 871 | because everybody else is allowed to tell their version of my story. | 因为其他人都可以说出我的故事 |
| 872 | But God forbid, I should should be able to tell the other side of it. | 但愿上帝保佑 我应该能告诉对方 |
| 873 | So it's interesting. | 所以这很有趣。 |
| 874 | But just by telling my own story, it takes away | 但只要说出我自己的故事,它就会消失 |
| 875 | a lot of power from other people. | 他人的很多权力 |
| 876 | Yes. | 对 |
| 877 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 878 | Well, I mean, I was thinking in some ways, | 嗯,我的意思是,我在想 在某些方面, |
| 879 | the press is such a great wound in your life. | 媒体是这样一个伟大的伤口 在你的生活中。 |
| 880 | And I was like, I probably look a lot like the press to him. | 我可能看起来很像媒体 |
| 881 | You don't look, sound or feel like a journalist. | 你长得不像记者 |
| 882 | That's not a criticism. | 这不是批评 |
| 883 | It's like, oh, no. | 这就像,哦,不。 |
| 884 | But no, look, I | 但是,没有,你看,我 |
| 885 | I find myself in a very interesting place. | 我发现自己在一个非常有趣的地方。 |
| 886 | Forty two years old where growing up, | 在42岁长大的地方 |
| 887 | I was surrounded by some of the worst forms of journalism. | 我被一些最糟糕的新闻形式包围着. |
| 888 | Yes. | 对 |
| 889 | And yet here I am, 42 years old, doing the best that I can, | 然而,我在这里,42岁,尽我所能, |
| 890 | doing everything I can to try to uplift and support journalism | 尽我所能提高和支持新闻业 |
| 891 | because of the experience that I've had growing up where I'll be damned | 因为我从小到大的经历 |
| 892 | if you guys who pretend to be journalists | 如果你们假装是记者 |
| 893 | are going to drag this whole profession down the drain. | 要把整个职业拖下水 |
| 894 | And I have and I take real issue with that because | 我有,我确实不同意,因为 |
| 895 | journalism is proper journalism is so important. | 新闻业是正当的 新闻业是如此重要。 |
| 896 | Just look around the world at the moment. | 眼下环顾世界. |
| 897 | As we've been talking, I've been thinking you talk in the masterclass | 我们一直在谈论, 我一直在想你在大师级说话 |
| 898 | and have talked about the search for purpose. | 并谈论寻找目的。 |
| 899 | And now here you are talking about grief | 现在你在谈论悲伤 |
| 900 | and the most vulnerable things in your whole life. | 还有你一生中最易受到伤害的东西 |
| 901 | Do you think this is ultimately like the kind of like purpose that you found? | 你觉得这是你找到的目的吗? |
| 902 | Is that is that what you're here to do? | 这就是你在这里做什么? |
| 903 | Do you think? | 你觉得呢? |
| 904 | I think there's this. | 我觉得有这个 |
| 905 | Yes, I think it's I think it's multipurpose for me. | 是的,我想我认为这是多用途的。 |
| 906 | Yeah, I think that I think without purpose, | 是的,我想我觉得没有目的, |
| 907 | I would be very lost, like most people. | 我和大多数人一样会迷路的 |
| 908 | I think we all have a purpose. | 我想我们都有一个目的。 |
| 909 | We just need to find it. | 我们只需要找到它。 |
| 910 | My work drives me. | 我的工作驱使着我。 |
| 911 | Invictus社区激励我,我会做 | |
| 912 | and continue to do everything I can to help others find their purpose | 继续尽我所能 帮助别人找到他们的目的 |
| 913 | and encourage them to to to search for that. | 并且鼓励他们去寻找 |
| 914 | I helped you to do that massively. | 我帮了你大忙 |
| 915 | Prince Harry, thank you so much. | 哈利王子,非常感谢 |
| 916 | Thank you, Zach. | 谢谢你,扎克。 |
| 917 | It's been great. | 这是伟大的。 |
| 918 | Much better than I thought it was going to be. | 比我想象的要好得多 |
| 919 | Really? | 真的吗? |
| 920 | No. | 没有 |
| 921 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 922 | I didn't think it was going to be OK. OK. | 我没想到会好起来的 摆 |
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