英国议会激辩国防开支：保守党党魁逼问新首相：钱从哪来？”，伯
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | After last week's session, the country was thrown into confusion over whether the Prime | 在上周的会议之后, 国家陷入了混乱 是否总理 |
| 0:04 | Minister was or was not going to fund 3% for defence by 2030. | 到2030年,部长是否打算为国防提供3%的资金。 |
| 0:08 | After today, he'll have | 过了今天,他会得到 |
| 0:13 | another five weeks off PMQs, but there are some serious threats to national security | 再休息5个星期 但国家安全受到一些严重威胁 |
| 0:19 | that cannot wait. | 这不能等待。 |
| 0:20 | His Chancellor resigned as Defence Secretary because the Labour Government | 总理辞去国防部长职务,因为劳动政府 |
| 0:25 | would not increase defence spending to 3% by 2030. | 到2030年,国防开支不会增加到3%。 |
| 0:30 | Does the Prime Minister think he was right to quit? | 首相认为他辞职是对的吗? |
| 0:36 | Mr Speaker, as I said last week, I appointed this Chancellor because of his strong commitment | 议长先生,正如我上周所说,我任命这位总理是因为他的坚定承诺。 |
| 0:43 | to the defence of this nation. | 为了保卫这个国家 |
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| 1 | After last week's session, the country was thrown into confusion over whether the Prime | 在上周的会议之后, 国家陷入了混乱 是否总理 |
| 2 | Minister was or was not going to fund 3% for defence by 2030. | 到2030年,部长是否打算为国防提供3%的资金。 |
| 3 | After today, he'll have | 过了今天,他会得到 |
| 4 | another five weeks off PMQs, but there are some serious threats to national security | 再休息5个星期 但国家安全受到一些严重威胁 |
| 5 | that cannot wait. | 这不能等待。 |
| 6 | His Chancellor resigned as Defence Secretary because the Labour Government | 总理辞去国防部长职务,因为劳动政府 |
| 7 | would not increase defence spending to 3% by 2030. | 到2030年,国防开支不会增加到3%。 |
| 8 | Does the Prime Minister think he was right to quit? | 首相认为他辞职是对的吗? |
| 9 | Mr Speaker, as I said last week, I appointed this Chancellor because of his strong commitment | 议长先生,正如我上周所说,我任命这位总理是因为他的坚定承诺。 |
| 10 | to the defence of this nation. | 为了保卫这个国家 |
| 11 | That was the reason why. | 这就是为什么。 |
| 12 | And we will honour our NATO commitments, | 我们将履行北约的承诺, |
| 13 | 3.5% by 2035 and a target date for three. | 到2035年达到3.5%,并设定三个的目标日期. |
| 14 | And that will all be set out in the spending | 这一切将在支出中阐明 |
| 15 | review, Mr Speaker. | 复议,议长先生。 |
| 16 | I don't feel though that you get the right to come to this House and claim the | 虽然我觉得你没有权利来这房子 声称 |
| 17 | moral high ground and point fingers wherever you can when defence spending was 2.3% of GDP | 在国防开支占国内生产总值的2.3%。 |
| 18 | and fell during 14 years of a Conservative Government. | 在保守党执政的14年中倒台。 |
| 19 | On this issue, I think we should | 关于这个问题,我认为我们应该 |
| 20 | do more problem solving than point scoring. | 解决问题比分数多。 |
| 21 | And I say to the right honourable lady, | 我对一位正直的女士说 |
| 22 | we would do our armed forces well if we could agree on this crucial issue more | 如果我们能就这个关键问题达成更多一致,我们就会做好我们的武装部队 |
| 23 | across the floor of this House. | 穿过这栋房子的地板 |
| 24 | The Prime Minister wants to talk about the past on | 首相想谈谈过去的事 |
| 25 | defence spending, so let me refresh his memory and the House. | 国防开支,所以让我 刷新他的记忆和众议院。 |
| 26 | I remember when he was shadow Home | 我记得他是影子回家的时候 |
| 27 | when the Labour leader wanted us to leave NATO, disarm our nuclear deterrent and defund the army, | 工党领导人希望我们离开北约 解除核威慑力量 并退伍 |
| 28 | so I will not be taking any lectures from him. | 所以我不会听他的演讲。 |
| 29 | He says the target is 2035. | 他说目标在2035年 |
| 30 | 2035 is a decade away. | 2035年是十年之后的岁月. |
| 31 | If he can't get to 3% by 2030, why should we believe he'll get to 3.5% by 2035? | 如果他到2030年不能达到3%,我们为什么要相信他到2035年能达到3.5%? |
| 32 | The spending | 开支 |
| 33 | review is next year. | 明年审查。 |
| 34 | Last week, I set out how we would get to 3% by 2030. | 上周,我阐述了到2030年我们如何达到3%。 |
| 35 | The threats are now. | 威胁是现在。 |
| 36 | Argentina is threatening the Falklands now. | 阿根廷正在威胁福克兰群岛。 |
| 37 | Russia is threatening us in the North Sea now. | 现在俄国在北海威胁我们 |
| 38 | Mr Speaker, he didn't answer my question. | 议长先生,他没有回答我的问题 |
| 39 | The Chancellor was right to quit. | 总理辞职是正确的。 |
| 40 | I asked him if he | 我问他是不是 |
| 41 | was right to quit. | 这是正确的退出。 |
| 42 | The Chancellor was right to quit, which is why it's so wrong that he's not | 丞相辞职是对的 所以他才不会 |
| 43 | to his principles. | 他的原则。 |
| 44 | The Chancellor used to say not hitting 3% by 2030 would put our troops at risk. | 总理曾说过,到2030年不打3%,会使我们的部队面临危险。 |
| 45 | He also said Keir Starmer was unable and the Treasury unwilling to provide that funding. | 他还说,Keir Starmer无法提供这笔资金,财政部不愿提供。 |
| 46 | So is the Prime Minister unable or is he just unwilling to get that money by 2030? | 总理不能还是不愿意到2030年拿到这笔钱? |
| 47 | Mr Speaker, this Chancellor, of all Chancellors, will be willing to provide that funding to our | 议长先生,这位总理,各位总理,将愿意向我们提供这笔资金。 |
| 48 | plan. | 计划。 |
| 49 | This government's commitment to the defence of this country is absolute. | 这个政府对保卫这个国家的承诺是绝对的. |
| 50 | We've taken the | 我们拿了 |
| 51 | strongest possible stance in supporting President Zelensky and Ukraine. | 支持泽连斯基总统和乌克兰的坚定立场。 |
| 52 | We are playing our role | 我们正在发挥作用 |
| 53 | around the world and we will continue to do so. | 我们将继续这样做。 |
| 54 | She mentions the plan that she has set out and | 她提到了她提出的计划,以及 |
| 55 | this is why I say we should have an honest conversation across this dispatch box. | 这就是为什么我说,我们应该有一个诚实的对话 在这个调度箱。 |
| 56 | I looked | 我看着 |
| 57 | for a way to get the right consensus around this issue because that would create levels of | 以便就这一问题达成正确的共识,因为这将产生一定程度的 |
| 58 | homelessness in this country that we wouldn't have seen before. | 这个国家的无家可归,我们以前不会看到。 |
| 59 | Hundreds of thousands of children | 数十万儿童 |
| 60 | in temporary accommodation. | 临时住所。 |
| 61 | Can I say to the right Honourable Lady, yes, we do everything | 我可以对尊敬的女士说,是的,我们做的一切 |
| 62 | to support our national security but it can't come at the expense of social security. | 但是不能牺牲社会安全 |
| 63 | Having strong national security also depends upon having resilience in our communities. | 拥有强大的国家安全还取决于我们社区的复原力。 |
| 64 | This side | 这边 |
| 65 | of the House will not be forced to choose between the two and we will set out a plan to get to 3.5% | 我们计划达到3.5% |
| 66 | by 2035 at the spending review. | 至2035年在支出审查. |
| 67 | Unbelievable, the Prime Minister would say that. | 难以置信,总理会这么说。 |
| 68 | He is clearly | 很明显 |
| 69 | unwilling. | 不愿意的,你不会的 |
| 70 | We need to fund our defence, not spend all of our money on welfare. | 我们需要为我们的国防提供资金,而不是把我们所有的钱都花在福利上. |
| 71 | I cannot believe | 难以置信 |
| 72 | that he would actually say that. | 他居然会这么说 |
| 73 | He is clearly unwilling but there are ways to do this. | 他显然不愿意,但有办法做到这一点。 |
| 74 | He is | 没错 |
| 75 | not unable. | 无法。 |
| 76 | There are ways to do this. | 有办法做到这一点。 |
| 77 | On Monday, Chris Rockless, Britain's third biggest taxpayer, | 在星期一,克里斯·洛克勒斯,英国第三大纳税人, |
| 78 | announced he was leaving the country. | 他宣布要出国 |
| 79 | That's £330 million of taxes walking out the door | 这是3.3亿英镑的税 走出门 |
| 80 | because of this Labour government. | 因为这个工党政府。 |
| 81 | Every year, Mr Speaker, £330 million. | 每年,议长先生,3.3亿英镑。 |
| 82 | His taxes could be | 他的税收可能是 |
| 83 | going on defence. | 进行辩护。 |
| 84 | The Prime Minister is talking about spending more on welfare. | 总理正在谈论更多用于福利的开支。 |
| 85 | The benefits bill | 福利法案 |
| 86 | is set to rise by £32 billion under him. | 在他手下,将增加320亿英镑。 |
| 87 | The benefits bill is set to rise by £32 billion. | 福利法案将增加320亿英镑。 |
| 88 | That's not all of it, that's the rise. | 这不是全部,这是上升。 |
| 89 | That money could be going on defence. | 那笔钱可能用于辩护 |
| 90 | The Prime Minister | 总理 |
| 91 | won't approve the Rosebank oil field, £1.4 billion of tax revenue that could be going on | 不会批准罗斯班克油田的 14亿英镑的税收收入 |
| 92 | defence. | 辩护。 |
| 93 | Will the Prime Minister tell the country where is he going to find the money to fund our | 首相会告诉国家 他在哪里找到资金来资助我们 |
| 94 | defence? | 辩护? |
| 95 | I can't comment today on decisions that are quasi-judicial decisions but we will take a | 我今天不能对准司法裁决做出评论 但我们会采取 |
| 96 | pragmatic approach to oil and gas as I've said before at this Dispatch Box. | 正如我以前在这个调度箱里说过的那样,对石油和天然气采取务实的做法。 |
| 97 | Let's get to the | 让我们开始 |
| 98 | question as she invites me to do. | 她邀请我做的问题 |
| 99 | What is the right way to fund defence? | 什么是为国防提供资金的正确办法? |
| 100 | Yes, bring the welfare | 是的,带福利 |
| 101 | budget down so she would make crude cuts to housing benefits. | 预算减少,所以她会 粗略削减住房福利。 |
| 102 | As I've said, if you take £4 billion | 我说过,如果你拿四十亿英镑 |
| 103 | out in the next few years, you will make families homeless. | 在接下来的几年里, 你会使家庭无家可归。 |
| 104 | You will increase rough sleeping on our | 你会增加粗睡在我们身上 |
| 105 | streets. | 街道。 |
| 106 | So here's the Labour way, the way that we do it on this side of the house. | 这就是工党的方式, 我们在房子的这边这样做的方式。 |
| 107 | We have set out | 我们出发了 |
| 108 | plans for the biggest council house building programme this country has seen in a generation | 全国一代人中最大的议会住宅建设计划 |
| 109 | and if you look at research from the National Housing Federation, you will see that is the | 如果你看看全国住房联合会的研究 你会看到 |
| 110 | to save billions from housing benefit. | 从住房福利中节省数十亿。 |
| 111 | We will shortly respond to the final report of Alan | 我们不久将对艾伦的最后报告作出回应。 |
| 112 | Milburn who is looking at the issue of young people not in education, employment or training. | Milburn正在研究没有接受教育、就业或培训的年轻人的问题。 |
| 113 | Again, something left behind by the last Government. | 同样,上届政府留下了一些东西。 |
| 114 | We will take the Labour way, | 我们将走劳工之路, |
| 115 | change education, support our young people, more mental health support. | 改变教育,支持我们的年轻人,提供更多的心理健康支持。 |
| 116 | That's the Labour way to | 这就是工党的方式 |
| 117 | get the welfare bill down and I say to the Honourable Lady that is the right way to fund defence. | 把福利法案拿下来 我对尊敬的女士说 这是为国防提供资金的正确方法 |
| 118 | No it is not Mr Speaker. | 不是议长先生 |
| 119 | The truth is he doesn't know where he's going to find the money. | 事实是,他不知道 他在哪里会找到钱。 |
| 120 | He's talking about anything except defence, council housing. | 他在谈论什么 除了国防,议会住房。 |
| 121 | He won't fund the military. | 他不会资助军队的 |
| 122 | I tell you what he is funding though Mr Speaker. | 我告诉你他通过议长先生资助什么 |
| 123 | I tell you what he is funding. | 我告诉你他要资助什么 |
| 124 | Keir Starmer's £35 billion surrender of the Chegos Islands and its crucial military base. | 基尔·斯塔默350亿英镑投降切戈斯群岛及其关键的军事基地. |
| 125 | That is British sovereign territory. | 这是英国的主权领土。 |
| 126 | This is a weak decision and it is no wonder that Argentina | 这是一个软弱的决定, 毫不奇怪,阿根廷 |
| 127 | is now threatening the Falklands. | 现在威胁着福克兰群岛 |
| 128 | We need to project strength. | 我们需要预测力量。 |
| 129 | We need to show that British | 我们要向英国人展示 |
| 130 | sovereign territory is non-negotiable. | 主权领土是不容谈判的。 |
| 131 | So why, just like Keir Starmer, is he planning to surrender | 那为什么他和基尔·斯塔默一样 打算投降 |
| 132 | the Chegos Islands? | 切戈斯群岛? |
| 133 | I have to say to the right Honourable Lady, she does have to do better than | 我不得不对这位尊敬的女士说,她确实要做得比 |
| 134 | that. | 那个 |
| 135 | They are the worst kind of points to be scoring when the country is watching. | 这是国家眼中最糟糕的评分。 |
| 136 | We will not | 我们不会 |
| 137 | surrender our base at Diego Garcia. | 交出我们在迭戈加西亚的基地 |
| 138 | We are in discussions with the United States about that | 我们正在与美国讨论 |
| 139 | and we will always respect the rights of the Falkland islanders to choose to be British. | 我们将永远尊重福克兰群岛居民选择英国人的权利。 |
| 140 | That | 那个 |
| 141 | will never change under this government and we will be relentless in defending that. | 在政府统治下,我们永远不会改变,我们将坚持不懈地捍卫这一点。 |
| 142 | We are talking about paying £35 billion to give away British territory and all of that is happening | 我们说的是支付350亿英镑 以让出英国的领土 这一切正在发生 |
| 143 | while his government is cancelling £30 million of vital training for British soldiers. | 而他的政府正在取消 对英国士兵3000万英镑的重要训练 |
| 144 | The Prime Minister may be new to the job, so let me tell him what may not be in his briefing paper. | 总理可能刚上任,所以让我告诉他他的通报文件中可能没有的内容。 |
| 145 | Last year, defence funding fell in real terms. | 去年,国防经费实际减少。 |
| 146 | That is on them. | 这是他们。 |
| 147 | To govern is to choose. | 治理就是选择 |
| 148 | So why | 所以为什么 |
| 149 | is he choosing to send £35 billion to Mauritius when they cut the money to train our troops? | 他是否选择向毛里求斯提供350亿英镑, |
| 150 | Mr Speaker, I do not think she is on strong ground when it comes to defence spending. | 议长先生,在国防开支方面,我认为她没有站得住脚。 |
| 151 | It was 2.5% of GDP when the last Labour Government left office. | 上届工党政府卸任时占国内生产总值的2.5%。 |
| 152 | It was 2.3% | 这是2.3%, |
| 153 | of GDP when the Government she was in left office. | 在政府左任时的国内生产总值。 |
| 154 | It is now set to be 2.7% | 现定为2.7% |
| 155 | in the next year. | 接下来一年。 |
| 156 | So that is the reality of the situation, Mr Speaker. | 这就是现实,议长先生。 |
| 157 | A government that is | 一个政府是 |
| 158 | strong on the defence of this country. | 强力保卫这个国家 |
| 159 | That is what we are doing. | 这就是我们正在做的。 |
| 160 | It is why we have set out a | 这就是为什么我们定了一个 |
| 161 | defence investment plan that will be fully funded. | 国防投资计划,资金将全部到位。 |
| 162 | I say to her again, it would be better to work | 我再说一遍,最好能成功 |
| 163 | across the floor of this House to get a fully and securely funded path to 3.5% of GDP by 2035 | 到2035年实现占GDP的3.5% |
| 164 | that will not change under any Government. | 在任何政府统治下都不会改变。 |
| 165 | That would send the strongest possible message | 这将发出最强烈的信息 |
| 166 | to our armed forces. | 我们的武装部队。 |
| 167 | This is an area for problem solving rather than point scoring. | 这是一个解决问题而不是点数的领域。 |
| 168 | I invite her | 我邀请她 |
| 169 | to work with us on that so that we can set out that clear path. | 与我们合作,以便我们能够确定这条明确的道路。 |
| 170 | The Prime Minister seems to think that the last Government was a Conservative Government, | 总理似乎认为上届政府是保守党政府, |
| 171 | the last Government was a Labour Government and it failed, which is why Keir Starmer resigned. | 上届政府是工党政府,但失败了,这也是凯尔·斯塔默辞职的原因. |
| 172 | He keeps talking about their record as if it was fantastic. | 他不停地谈论他们的记录 好像这是美妙的。 |
| 173 | If it was, then why is Keir Starmer | 如果是的话 为什么凯尔·斯塔默 |
| 174 | not sitting there? | 不坐在这里? |
| 175 | Where Britain needs leadership, what we have at the moment is just vibes. | 在英国需要领导的地方,我们目前掌握的只是气氛. |
| 176 | He said | 他说 |
| 177 | he appointed the Chancellor because he cares about defence, but he will not fund it. | 他任命总理 是因为他关心国防 但他不会为国防提供资金 |
| 178 | Other | 其他人员 |
| 179 | countries are making claims over our sovereign territory. | 各国正在对我们的主权领土提出要求。 |
| 180 | They smell weakness. | 他们闻到软弱。 |
| 181 | He is pretending | 他假装 |
| 182 | that he is the change candidate, but the fact is that he is still failing to cut welfare, | 他是变更的人选 但事实上他仍然没有削减福利 |
| 183 | he is still paying to hand over a sovereign territory and he is still not funding defence. | 他仍然付钱交出一个主权领土,他仍然没有为国防提供资金。 |
| 184 | So on the issues that really matter, is he not just continuity care? | 所以,对于真正重要的问题, 他是不是只是连续性的护理? |
| 185 | Mr Speaker, she mentions leadership. | 议长先生,她提到领导权 |
| 186 | Let me tell her and the whole House where Britain | 让我告诉她和整个英国家族 |
| 187 | is showing leadership. | 正在表现出领导才能。 |
| 188 | There have been Conservative politicians at this Dispatch Box, | 有保守派的政客 在这个调度箱, |
| 189 | Labour politicians too, for decades who have talked about the importance of the two-state | 几十年来,工党政治家也谈论了两国的重要性 |
| 190 | solution between Israel and Palestine. | 以色列与巴勒斯坦间的解决办法。 |
| 191 | Words from any politician about a two-state solution | 任何政治人物关于两国解决方案的话 |
| 192 | will be only words if it's not backed with action and leadership is about taking action | 只有行动得不到支持 领导才能采取行动 |
| 193 | where there is injustice, where we need to correct unfairness, people being driven out | 在不公正的地方,我们需要纠正不公正的地方,人们被赶出去 |
| 194 | of their homes, losing their homes, being intimidated in their daily lives. | 失去家园,在日常生活中受到恐吓。 |
| 195 | I credit the | 感谢 |
| 196 | father of the House who yesterday applauded the action that this Government is taking. | 他昨天赞扬了本政府正在采取的行动。 |
| 197 | In this difficult and dangerous world, Britain has to stand for something. | 在这个艰难而危险的世界中,英国必须站得住脚. |
| 198 | Britain has to | 英国必须 |
| 199 | show leadership. | 显示领导。 |
| 200 | Britain has to stand for fairness against injustice, where people are | 英国必须站在公平的立场上反对不公正,因为人们在那里 |
| 201 | being bullied out of their homes, intimidated. | 他们被欺负,被恐吓 |
| 202 | We will always stand with the underdog and | 我们永远站在弱者一边 |
| 203 | take what action we can to support them. | 采取我们所能支持的行动。 |
| 204 | That, Mr Speaker, is leadership on the world stage. | 发言人先生,这是世界舞台上的领导。 |
| 205 | Britain being true to what it's always been about, that is what the British people expect | 英国人对英国人所期待的 |
| 206 | of us and that is what this Government will do. | 这是我国政府将要做的。 |
| 207 | Ready. | 准备好了 |
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