拜登夫妇《人物》杂志专访，谈癌症、退选与余生！
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | I'm not saying I'll live forever, but the point is that, you know, I have had all my faculties, | 我不是说我会永远活着, 但重点是,你知道,我有我的所有能力, |
| 0:05 | I have access to all the things I had before, and I feel good. | 我接触了以前所有的东西,我感觉很好。 |
| 0:11 | If I had known that I was feeling | 如果我知道,我的感觉 |
| 0:16 | lousy because I had cancer, I would have resigned. | 因为我得了癌症 我就辞职了 |
| 0:20 | I would have not gone forward, | 我不会向前看的 |
| 0:22 | because I don't think an 80-year-old man with cancer should be running for, but that wasn't | 因为我不认为一个80岁有癌症的男人 应该跑,但这不是 |
| 0:30 | the case. | 这个案子 |
| 0:37 | I had some discomfort. | 我有点不适 |
| 0:39 | There wasn't any particular thing except it kept recurring, | 没有什么特别的 除了它不断重复, |
| 0:43 | pain. | 伤痛。 |
展开字幕全文（263 条）
| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | I'm not saying I'll live forever, but the point is that, you know, I have had all my faculties, | 我不是说我会永远活着, 但重点是,你知道,我有我的所有能力, |
| 2 | I have access to all the things I had before, and I feel good. | 我接触了以前所有的东西,我感觉很好。 |
| 3 | If I had known that I was feeling | 如果我知道,我的感觉 |
| 4 | lousy because I had cancer, I would have resigned. | 因为我得了癌症 我就辞职了 |
| 5 | I would have not gone forward, | 我不会向前看的 |
| 6 | because I don't think an 80-year-old man with cancer should be running for, but that wasn't | 因为我不认为一个80岁有癌症的男人 应该跑,但这不是 |
| 7 | the case. | 这个案子 |
| 8 | I had some discomfort. | 我有点不适 |
| 9 | There wasn't any particular thing except it kept recurring, | 没有什么特别的 除了它不断重复, |
| 10 | pain. | 伤痛。 |
| 11 | Jill thought, why hadn't that test done for men who are in their 70s? | 吉尔想,为什么没有做测试 对于那些70多岁的人? |
| 12 | And so that's what | 所以这就是 |
| 13 | happened. | 发生了 |
| 14 | We went and had the test and prostate cancer that has metastasized in the bone. | 我们做了前列腺癌的测试 在骨骼中变形了 |
| 15 | We let the public know when I found out, when I knew it was going. | 当我发现的时候,我们让公众知道, 当我知道它是去。 |
| 16 | I think it's important for a | 我觉得这对一个 |
| 17 | leader as President of the United States to let people know they go through some of the very same | 作为美国总统 让人民知道 他们经历了一些同样的 |
| 18 | things that a lot of American people are going through. | 很多美国人正在经历的事情 |
| 19 | There's no reason why we should continue | 我们没有理由继续 |
| 20 | to invest more in cancer research, more in these kinds of issues. | 更多投资在癌症研究, 更多在这类问题。 |
| 21 | I don't know what percentage of | 我不知道这个比例 |
| 22 | people over the age of 70 are going to get prostate cancer. | 70岁以上的人会得前列腺癌 |
| 23 | It's a high number. | 其数甚高. |
| 24 | The White House | 白宫 |
| 25 | doctors have treated me incredibly well, but I do think that the fact that a number of people, | 医生对我治疗的非常好 但我确实认为 很多人 |
| 26 | the reason they don't do the test because they expect them to get cancer, | 他们之所以不做测试 是因为他们希望自己得癌症 |
| 27 | and there's no need to do it for everybody. | 没必要为所有人做这些 |
| 28 | Joe's cancer diagnosis was such a complete surprise, | Joe的癌症诊断非常意外 |
| 29 | and we had other plans for post-White House, you know, traveling and maybe going to Italy. | 我们还有别的计划 后白宫, 你知道,旅行,也许去意大利。 |
| 30 | But once he got the diagnosis, our whole life changed entirely. | 但一旦他得到诊断 我们的生活就彻底改变了 |
| 31 | And I can remember sitting | 我还记得坐着 |
| 32 | actually at a nail salon, going through a magazine and thinking, oh, I'd love to travel to this place | 实际上在一个指甲沙龙, 通过杂志和思考, 哦,我想旅行到这个地方。 |
| 33 | and to that place. | 还有那个地方 |
| 34 | And it all of a sudden struck me like, wait a minute, this isn't our life now. | 突然之间,我感觉,等等,这不是我们的生活。 |
| 35 | And just putting the magazine down and just had to kind of take a minute and realize with | 然后把杂志放下 只需要花点时间 |
| 36 | Joe having stage four prostate cancer that's metastasized, that because of that metastasis, | 乔得了第四期前列腺癌 已经变形了 因为那期变形症 |
| 37 | he will always have cancer. | 他会永远得癌症 |
| 38 | And it changes your life. | 它改变了你的生活。 |
| 39 | It changes your perspective about life. | 它改变了你对生活的看法。 |
| 40 | So now we're on a new journey. | 现在我们踏上了新的旅程。 |
| 41 | There's a lot of people who've been diagnosed with | 很多人被诊断为 |
| 42 | cancer, particularly the kind of cancer I had, who live long lives, who live for another 10, | 癌症,特别是我曾经患过的癌症, 长寿,再活10年, |
| 43 | 20 years. | 20岁 |
| 44 | You know, I'm not saying I'll live forever, but the point is that I feel good. | 我不是说我会永远活着 但重点是我感觉很好 |
| 45 | What I'm still doing is there's a series of medicines I'm taking, eight different pills | 我还在做的是 我吃了一系列的药 8种不同的药 |
| 46 | they take a day. | 他们需要一天时间。 |
| 47 | And so far, the two tests they did to see whether the cancer has spread | 目前为止,他们做了两次测试 以观察癌症是否扩散 |
| 48 | in the body, it indicated it has not spread. | 在体内,它表明它没有扩散。 |
| 49 | It doesn't mean it won't, but it hasn't. | 这并不意味着它不会,但它没有。 |
| 50 | And I still | 我依旧 |
| 51 | have all my faculties. | 拥有我的所有能力。 |
| 52 | I still have my physical faculties as well. | 我还有身体能力 |
| 53 | So we're hopeful. | 所以我们充满希望。 |
| 54 | And I have | 而我已经 |
| 55 | two great cancer doctors. | 两个伟大的癌症医生。 |
| 56 | And so they're hopeful as well. | 所以他们也有希望。 |
| 57 | It's been really hard. | 这真的很难。 |
| 58 | Both my parents | 我父母俩 |
| 59 | died of cancer, Joe's parents. | 乔的父母死于癌症 |
| 60 | Actually, I went through their illnesses with Joe. | 事实上,我和乔一起经历了他们的病 |
| 61 | Of course, | 当然 |
| 62 | Bo's. | 鲍氏. |
| 63 | So caregiving wasn't new to me, but it's just a lot different, I think, when it's your spouse | 所以,照顾对我来说不是新鲜事, 但这只是一个很大的不同, 我想,当你的配偶 |
| 64 | because of the difference in the relationship. | 因为关系的不同 |
| 65 | And you expect to take care of your parents. | 而你期望照顾你的父母。 |
| 66 | You don't ever expect to take care of a child, but it just, I don't know, tests your relationship | 你从不期待照顾孩子,但... 我不知道,只是测试你的关系 |
| 67 | in different ways to be a caregiver. | 以不同的方式成为看护者。 |
| 68 | And so many people have reached out to me. | 很多人都联系过我 |
| 69 | And in turn, | 反过来 |
| 70 | I have reached out to them because I have seen how hard it is, how really emotionally hard it is, | 我和他们联系是因为我看到有多难 有多难感情 |
| 71 | physically hard to go through each day. | 每天都很难度过 |
| 72 | I mean, my days are, you know, making sure he eats right. | 我的意思是,我的日子,你知道, 确保他吃对。 |
| 73 | Does he exercise? | 他运动吗? |
| 74 | Is he taking the right medicine? | 他吃对药了吗? |
| 75 | Did I talk to the doctor? | 我和医生谈过了吗? |
| 76 | I mean, that's layered | 我的意思是,这是分层的 |
| 77 | on top of family life or all the other things that any spouse or, you know, other member of | 在家庭生活或所有其他事情之外 任何配偶或,你知道,其他的成员 |
| 78 | the family does. | 家人会的 |
| 79 | I will be a president for all Americans, all Americans. | 我会成为所有美国人,所有美国人的总统. |
| 80 | And I promise you, | 我保证, |
| 81 | I will fight as hard for those who did not support me as for those who did. | 我将为那些不支持我的人和那些不支持我的人而奋斗。 |
| 82 | To see what | 看怎么样 |
| 83 | Joe is accomplishing in his administration and seeing how we could help people all over our | 乔正在完成他的管理 并看到我们如何帮助人们 在我们各地 |
| 84 | country and in every community was really gratifying. | 国家和每个社区都非常满意。 |
| 85 | Wall Street didn't build the | 华尔街没有建造 |
| 86 | country. | 国家。 |
| 87 | The middle class built the country. | 中产阶级建国. |
| 88 | Joe went into politics because public service has been | Joe去参政了 因为公共服务一直 |
| 89 | his life. | 他的一生 他的一生 他的一生 他的一生 |
| 90 | And so here he was getting the things done that he had worked on his entire life. | 所以他在这里得到了一些 他毕生工作的东西。 |
| 91 | This is not a time to be complacent. | 现在不是自满的时候。 |
| 92 | That's why I'm running for reelection. | 故竞选复选. |
| 93 | What I can't say, | 我不能说的 |
| 94 | because there's no evidence of it, if I had known that I was feeling lousy because I had cancer, | 因为没有证据 如果我知道自己因为得了癌症而感到恶心 |
| 95 | I would have resigned. | 我会辞职的 |
| 96 | I would have not gone forward because I don't think an 80-year-old | 我本来不会走的 因为我不认为80岁 |
| 97 | man with cancer should be running for. | 患癌症的人应该要竞选 |
| 98 | But that wasn't the case. | 但事实并非如此。 |
| 99 | It was a circumstance where | 这是一种情况: |
| 100 | I thought that I had the capacity, I think I did, to bring a wider array of support for the United | 我想我有能力 给联合国带来更广泛的支持 |
| 101 | States and our positions around the world. | 世界各国和我们的立场。 |
| 102 | I had very good relationships with all the major leaders | 我和主要领导人的关系很好 |
| 103 | in the world. | 在这个世界。 |
| 104 | And so I believe that on an objective basis, I was the best equipped person to do the | 所以我相信,在客观的基础上, 我是最有能力的人 做 |
| 105 | job. | 任务。 |
| 106 | I mean, Joe had gotten older. | 我的意思是,乔已经长大了。 |
| 107 | I had gotten older. | 我变老了 |
| 108 | Joe had thought, you know, I'll get out. | 乔曾想过,我会出去的 |
| 109 | But in 2023, after the Democrats had won the midterms, everybody kept saying, | 但是在2023年,民主党赢得中期赛后,每个人都一直说, |
| 110 | no, you won the midterms. | 不,你赢了期中考试。 |
| 111 | You're doing so great. | 你干得不错 |
| 112 | Look at all we're doing. | 看看我们所做的一切。 |
| 113 | We have work to continue. | 我们还有工作要做。 |
| 114 | And I'm going to continue to move until we get the total ban | 我会继续移动 直到我们得到全面禁止 |
| 115 | on the total initiative relative to what we can do with more border patrol and more asylum offices. | 与我们能做的相比,我们还有更多的边境巡逻和更多的庇护办公室。 |
| 116 | Look, I don't know anybody had made a mistaken debate. | 我不知道谁搞错了 |
| 117 | To me, it was not very consequential. | 对我来说,这并没有太大的后果。 |
| 118 | First of all, I thought it would be another debate, which there wasn't. | 首先,我想这是另一场辩论,没有。 |
| 119 | But notwithstanding | 不过尽管如此 |
| 120 | the fact that there wasn't another debate, it didn't disturb me because it wasn't consequential. | 事实上,没有再辩论, 它没有打扰我,因为它不是结果。 |
| 121 | I've decided the best way forward is to pass the torch to a new generation. | 我决定了最好的前进方向是把火炬传给新一代. |
| 122 | It's the best way to unite our nation. | 这是团结我国的最好办法. |
| 123 | Hi. | 顿 |
| 124 | What's your name? | 你叫什么来着? |
| 125 | Laura. | 劳拉 |
| 126 | You take care of this guy? | 你照顾这家伙? |
| 127 | Sir, it's not. | 师曰不是. |
| 128 | Outside the bubble, it is much more sort of hands on now. | 在气泡外面,它更像是现在的手。 |
| 129 | People tend to Joe, what's going on? | 人们喜欢乔,怎么了? |
| 130 | How are you doing? | 你好吗? |
| 131 | I'm doing well. | 我做得不错。 |
| 132 | I still have a secret | 我还有个秘密 |
| 133 | service still with me. | 服务仍在我身边。 |
| 134 | They're wonderful. | 他们很棒 |
| 135 | They look out for me all the time. | 他们一直在照顾我 |
| 136 | So I still have | 所以我还是有 |
| 137 | that kind of protection. | 那种保护。 |
| 138 | I've met you before, haven't I? | 我以前见过你,不是吗? |
| 139 | Last time we got the triple shake. | 上次我们得到了三重摇摆。 |
| 140 | That's right. | 没错 |
| 141 | I'm now teaching in the women's prison here in Wilmington. | 我现在在威尔明顿女子监狱教书 |
| 142 | And so I go in and | 所以我进去 |
| 143 | I teach literature. | 我教文学 |
| 144 | And today we were doing poetry. | 今天我们做诗 |
| 145 | So yeah, that's my new little part time job. | 是啊,这是我新的兼职工作。 |
| 146 | The first day, I think they're surprised and a little like, wow, the first lady's here. | 第一天,我觉得他们很惊讶 而且有点像,哇,第一夫人在这里。 |
| 147 | But by the second day, I think they feel really comfortable and think of me | 但是到了第二天,我觉得他们觉得很舒服,想起我 |
| 148 | as their English teacher. | 作为他们的英语老师。 |
| 149 | At least that's been my experience as second lady and as first lady, | 至少这是我作为第二夫人和第一夫人的经验, |
| 150 | when I taught both, you know, both times. | 当我教两者, 你知道,两次。 |
| 151 | And then I've been doing a lot with Women's Health. | 后来在"女性健康"方面做了很多工作. |
| 152 | I'm chairman of the Women's Health Network at Milken. | 我是米尔肯的妇女健康网主席. |
| 153 | I've been working on cancer and hope to | 我一直在研究癌症 并希望 |
| 154 | further what I'm doing with that with Joe. | 更进一步,我在做什么 用乔。 |
| 155 | So between that, Joe, the kids, the grandkids, | 所以在这之间 乔 孩子们 孙子们 |
| 156 | you know, it's been, it's been pretty busy. | 你知道,它已经, 它一直很忙。 |
| 157 | They're always here. | 他们总是在这里。 |
| 158 | They call me Pop. | 他们叫我爸爸。 |
| 159 | Can we | 我们能 |
| 160 | come up, Pop? | 上来,爸爸? |
| 161 | Pop, can we do this? | 爸爸,我们能做到这一点吗? |
| 162 | I do more from that with my grandchildren than I do with anybody | 我对孙子们做的比对任何人做的多 |
| 163 | else. | 别的 |
| 164 | And that's, that's for real. | 这是真的 |
| 165 | I'm interested in their interest in serious things as well. | 我对他们对严肃的事情也很感兴趣 |
| 166 | And they're involved in a lot of things having to do with public service. | 而且他们也参与了很多与公务有关的事情. |
| 167 | They participate in | 他们参加 |
| 168 | a number of issues that relate to the well-being of the country. | 涉及国家福祉的若干问题。 |
| 169 | They're the loves of my life. | 他们是我一生的爱人 |
| 170 | Not a day goes by, not an exaggeration. | 没有一天过去了,没有夸张。 |
| 171 | I don't talk to one of my grandkids. | 我不跟我的孙子说话。 |
| 172 | I find my strength with the family around me. | 我发现我的力量与我身边的家庭。 |
| 173 | They're always checking in, you know, how's Pop | 他们总是在报到,你知道,爸爸怎么样? |
| 174 | doing and keeping in touch or coming to the house, spending time here. | 和保持联络或来家里, 花时间在这里。 |
| 175 | So it's nothing to, you know, | 所以,这不是什么,你知道, |
| 176 | just come in and find kids on the third floor, kids downstairs sleeping and grandkids. | 只是进来找三楼的孩子 楼下的孩子睡觉和孙子们 |
| 177 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 178 | the grandkids have truly been amazing and loving, and it's really a beautiful thing to see. | 孙子们真的很棒,很爱人, 看到它真的很漂亮。 |
| 179 | Jill and I now, we're going on 50 years, for God's sake. | 现在吉尔和我,我们50年了, 看在上帝的份上。 |
| 180 | 50 years. | 50岁 |
| 181 | She looks like she's 20. | 她看起来像20岁。 |
| 182 | But I'm serious. | 但我是认真的。 |
| 183 | It just amazed me it's been that long. | 它只是让我惊讶 它已经那么久。 |
| 184 | I knew from the beginning what she was. | 我一开始就知道她是什么 |
| 185 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 186 | mean, first of all, she's bright as hell. | 意思是,首先,她很聪明 |
| 187 | Secondly, I think she's the most beautiful woman in the | 第二,我觉得她是最美丽的女人在 |
| 188 | world. | 这个世界 |
| 189 | And we have a real partnership. | 我们有一个真正的伙伴关系。 |
| 190 | We do things together. | 我们一起做事 |
| 191 | Jill's one of five girls, | 吉尔是五个女孩之一, |
| 192 | her family. | 她的家属。 |
| 193 | And I have two brothers and a sister. | 我有两个兄弟和一个妹妹 |
| 194 | And my dad used to have an expression. | 我爸爸以前也有这种表情 |
| 195 | He said, | 他说, |
| 196 | Joey, family's the beginning, the middle, and the end. | 乔伊,家庭是开始,中间,结束。 |
| 197 | And that's how it is with our family. | 我们的家庭就是这样 |
| 198 | Thank God this continued to be that way. | 谢天谢地,这仍然是这样。 |
| 199 | The country's biggest investment in climate ever. | 我国有史以来最大的气候投资. |
| 200 | It's now the law. | 现为法界. |
| 201 | I really believe that the greatest threat to humanity now | 我真的相信 对人类最大的威胁 |
| 202 | is the environment, not taking care of the environment, not dealing with it. | 是环境,不是照顾环境,不是应付环境。 |
| 203 | And we can, | 我们可以 |
| 204 | we have the possibility to do it. | 我们有可能做到这一点。 |
| 205 | And so that's still, that's a major initiative of mine. | 因此,这仍然是,这是我的一大举措。 |
| 206 | So | 这么说 |
| 207 | long as I'm still alive to be working to do something about that. | 只要我还活着 努力做点什么 |
| 208 | This bill would be the | 这个法案是 |
| 209 | most significant legislation in history to tackle the climate crisis and improve our energy security | 历史上处理气候危机和改善能源安全的最重要立法 |
| 210 | right away. | 马上 |
| 211 | I felt extremely strongly that we had to do something about the climate and environment | 我强烈地感到,我们必须对气候和环境做一些事情。 |
| 212 | that was being devastated. | 被摧毁了 |
| 213 | And we were able to pass the most extensive climate protection policies | 我们通过了最广泛的气候保护政策 |
| 214 | in all of history. | 所有历史中 |
| 215 | And then along came Trump, and he wiped them all out. | 然后特朗普来了 他把他们都消灭了 |
| 216 | My hope is with this new last election, the Democrats are going to come back and put those | 我希望这次新的选举, 民主党人会回来,把这些 |
| 217 | back in place because they are so badly needed and so within our reach to get done. | 因为他们非常需要,所以我们有能力完成 |
| 218 | Democrats are currently leading in 263 house seats. | 民主党目前在263个众议院席位中领先. |
| 219 | That would be a net gain on the evening | 晚上会有净收益 |
| 220 | of nearly 50 house seats. | 近50个房子的座位 |
| 221 | Simply put, this has been a blowout. | 简而言之,这是一场大爆炸。 |
| 222 | I don't think elections could have | 我觉得选举不可能 |
| 223 | surprised by the way, it really wasn't because I've been dealing with all these races, but | 没想到,这真的不是 因为我一直在处理 所有这些种族,但 |
| 224 | I was really pleased that the American people, I was worried whether they were going to | 我很高兴美国人民,我担心他们会不会 |
| 225 | fall for just the bravado of the Republican leadership and Trump in particular, but they | 他们只为共和党领导人,特别是特朗普的暴行而战 |
| 226 | weren't. | 没有。 |
| 227 | I look out there and look at the people we got elected, first women governors, first black | 我看着外面,看看我们当选的人, 首先是女州长,首先是黑人 |
| 228 | governors. | 州长 |
| 229 | And I think that we really have made some real progress in both parties. | 我认为,我们确实在双方取得了一些真正的进展。 |
| 230 | I thought we would do that Democrats would do well, but I really was surprised they did so well. | 我想我们会做民主党人会做的好, 但我真的很惊讶他们做的很好。 |
| 231 | You know, I turned on the TV in the morning and James Talarico, the first thing I heard on the | 我早上打开电视 詹姆斯·塔拉里科 我听到的第一件事 |
| 232 | TV was the power has been returned to the people. | 电视的电源被还给了人民 |
| 233 | I thought that was such a strong statement and | 我认为这是如此强烈的声明 |
| 234 | that's how I felt. | 这就是我的感觉。 |
| 235 | I've written three books and I wrote this one, Promise Me America, because I | 我写了三本书 写了这本书 答应我美国 因为我 |
| 236 | wanted to make sure that we know what the Promise Me America was. | 想要确保我们知道 "承诺我美国"是什么。 |
| 237 | I wanted to write about it, | 我想写它, |
| 238 | determine whether we're meeting it, whether we're moving up to it. | 确定我们是否要满足它 是否要向上 |
| 239 | Hi, how are you? | 嗨 你好吗? |
| 240 | I got involved | 我参与其中了 |
| 241 | in politics because of the civil rights movement to be engaged in trying to help make the country | 由于民权运动 试图帮助国家 |
| 242 | a better place than it has been. | 一个比以前更好的地方 |
| 243 | I've been obviously somewhat outspoken. | 我显然有些直言不讳 |
| 244 | I want to tell you how it made | 我想告诉你它是如何形成的 |
| 245 | me feel. | 我觉得 |
| 246 | These people are being crushed. | 这些人被压扁了 |
| 247 | The people have benefited out to work like hell to | 人民从中得益 |
| 248 | make sure there's health care for people, work like hell, that people have access to good education. | 确保人们有医疗保健, 像地狱一样工作, 让人们获得良好的教育。 |
| 249 | It means that we would do the things that we say we want to do, but mean it and keep at it. | 意思是,我们会做我们说要做的事,但说真的,继续做下去。 |
| 250 | And so | 这样 |
| 251 | when I say Promise Me America, I mean America, you know the promises we made, let's keep them. | 当我说承诺我美国,我的意思是,美国, 你知道我们的承诺, 让我们遵守它们。 |
| 252 | I hope that history tells the true story of all of his years in office as a senator, | 我希望历史能讲述他担任参议员的这几年的真实故事, |
| 253 | as vice president, and then as president. | 作为副总统,然后作为总统。 |
| 254 | Now in these times, people are so, I think, cynical | 现在,在这个时代,人们是如此, 我认为,愤世嫉俗 |
| 255 | and look at things a little skewed, but I do think that when history is written, the true story will | 并且看事情有点扭曲, 但我确实认为,当写历史, 真实的故事会 |
| 256 | be told. | 被告诉。 |
| 257 | And I think that people will realize not just what a great president he was, | 我认为人们会意识到 他不是一个伟大的总统 |
| 258 | but what a great man he is. | 但他是个多么伟大的人 |
| 259 | I tell you, it's the greatest honor I think any man or woman could be | 我告诉你,这是最大的荣誉 我认为任何男人或女人可能是 |
| 260 | given to read the President of the United States of America. | 见美利坚合众国总统。 |
| 261 | And I hope I kept the promise of | 我希望我信守承诺 |
| 262 | America. | 美国。 |
| 263 | I didn't say I didn't make mistakes, but that I meant what I said and I did what I said. | 我没有说我没有犯错, 但我是真心的,我做了我说的话。 |
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