打破威斯敏斯特死循环！新首相伯纳姆最新专访：我不做政客，我只
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| 0:00 | Welcome back now. | 欢迎回来 |
| 0:00 | Last Monday we watched on as Andy Burnham took on the biggest job in the UK becoming the 7th Prime Minister in 10 Downing Street in just the last decade. | 上周一,我们看着安迪·伯纳姆(Andy Burnham)担任了英国最大的工作,成为唐宁街10号的第7任首相。 |
| 0:07 | And after 10 days in the job, Andy Burnham is joining us on the sofa. | 工作十天后 Andy Burnham要加入我们的沙发了 |
| 0:11 | Good morning, Mr Prime Minister. | 首相先生,早安,您好 |
| 0:13 | Morning, Arsene. | 早上好,亚森 |
| 0:13 | Morning, Dermot. | 早上好,德莫特,你好吗? |
| 0:14 | Can you believe it's been 10 days in the job so far? | 你能相信工作已经10天了吗? |
| 0:18 | How are you getting on, first of all, and is it harder than you thought it was going to be? | 首先,你过得怎么样? 比你想的还要难吗? |
| 0:23 | Yeah, it comes at you, you know there's so much to take on, but the way I've decided to do it is just to be myself. | 是啊,它来你,你知道 有这么多要承担, 但我决定这样做的方式 只是做我自己。 |
| 0:29 | I don't think you can do it in any other way. | 我不认为你能以其他方式做到这一点。 |
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| 1 | Welcome back now. | 欢迎回来 |
| 2 | Last Monday we watched on as Andy Burnham took on the biggest job in the UK becoming the 7th Prime Minister in 10 Downing Street in just the last decade. | 上周一,我们看着安迪·伯纳姆(Andy Burnham)担任了英国最大的工作,成为唐宁街10号的第7任首相。 |
| 3 | And after 10 days in the job, Andy Burnham is joining us on the sofa. | 工作十天后 Andy Burnham要加入我们的沙发了 |
| 4 | Good morning, Mr Prime Minister. | 首相先生,早安,您好 |
| 5 | Morning, Arsene. | 早上好,亚森 |
| 6 | Morning, Dermot. | 早上好,德莫特,你好吗? |
| 7 | Can you believe it's been 10 days in the job so far? | 你能相信工作已经10天了吗? |
| 8 | How are you getting on, first of all, and is it harder than you thought it was going to be? | 首先,你过得怎么样? 比你想的还要难吗? |
| 9 | Yeah, it comes at you, you know there's so much to take on, but the way I've decided to do it is just to be myself. | 是啊,它来你,你知道 有这么多要承担, 但我决定这样做的方式 只是做我自己。 |
| 10 | I don't think you can do it in any other way. | 我不认为你能以其他方式做到这一点。 |
| 11 | If you're going to try and step up and be something different, well, you're not going to get very far. | 如果你要努力站出来 做点不同的事情 你就不会走远了 |
| 12 | Everyone else is taken. | 其他人都被带走了 |
| 13 | You can only be yourself. | 你只能成为你自己 |
| 14 | That's it. | 就这样 |
| 15 | And that's the way I've tried to do it. | 亦复如是. 师曰. |
| 16 | Is there anything prepared for that, though, when you sit down for the first day and it's just this tidal wave of, you know, you've run Manchester, you've got X, Y, Z, it's just, it's foreign, domestic, it's... | 是否有什么准备,虽然, 当你坐下来第一天, 它只是这个潮汐波, 你知道,你运行曼彻斯特, 你有X,Y,Z, 它只是,它是外国的,国内的,它是... |
| 17 | Well, I've been in politics a long time, Dermot, and I kind of thought it through about what the day would involve, but no is the answer to my question. | 我从政很久了 德莫特 我考虑过了今天会涉及什么 |
| 18 | But, you know, so much is, like, you're the sixth Prime Minister to be on our sofa in ten years, Liz Truss wasn't in the office long enough to get it, but when you, do you, I guess, do you, how do you get trust back in politics? | 但是,你知道,这么多是, 喜欢,你是第六 总理 在我们的沙发在十年, Liz Truss 在办公室不够长 得到它, |
| 19 | Because the public are looking at it going, we are so sick of that, like, you know, constant revolving door, and no one seems to be in the office long enough to get anything done, and that kind of corrodes trust as well, so how do you get that back? | 因为公众正在看着它, 我们是如此厌倦了, 像,你知道,恒定的旋转门, 而且没有人似乎在办公室里 足够长的时间 得到任何东西, |
| 20 | Well, I started with that when I spoke in Downing Street, and I tried to just speak from the heart, if you like, and said that I'm conscious I'm the sixth to walk up the street in ten years, and that's not good, is it? | 我从唐宁街说话开始, 我试着从心底说话,如果你愿意的话, 说,我意识到我是第六个 在10年里走在街上的人, 这是不好的,不是吗? |
| 21 | Britain needs to show the world that we can get our stability back, and that's kind of what I was saying, and I blame politicians for it, you know, I've been in politics a long time, and I get fed up myself with politics, | 英国需要向世界表明,我们能够恢复我们的稳定,这就是我所说的话,我为此责备政治家们,你知道,我参政了很长时间,我受够了政治, |
| 22 | so I know your viewers will say, oh, yeah, right, try being us, but I do kind of see it, you know, being Mayor of Greater Manchester did make me look back at Westminster with different eyes, I took a place first rather than a party first approach when I w | 我知道你的观众会说, 哦,是的,对的,尝试做我们, 但我确实看到了,你知道, 作为大曼彻斯特市长确实让我 以不同的眼睛回顾威斯敏斯特, |
| 23 | I just got so much more done, you know, you're having a different conversation, you're not trying to score points all the while, and I'm trying to bring that spirit to the new job, you ask how do we get trust back, well, today, I've invited a leader of th | 我只是做了很多事情,你知道, 你有一个不同的谈话, 你没有试图得分 所有的时间, |
| 24 | and the Conservatives won't be the leader, but the Shadow Health Secretary to talk about social care and how we fix it. | 保守党不会是领导者 而是影子卫生部长 谈论社会护理和我们如何修复 |
| 25 | Now, there's an issue, isn't it? | 现在,有一个问题,不是吗? |
| 26 | Decades we've been debating that, politics has failed to fix something as simple as the basic care we give to other fellow human beings. | 几十年来,我们一直在辩论, 政治没有能够解决一些简单的问题, 就像我们给予其他人的基本照顾一样。 |
| 27 | It's a huge issue. | 这是一个巨大的问题。 |
| 28 | If politics can't fix that, what can it fix? | 如果政治不能解决这个问题,它又能解决什么呢? |
| 29 | Did you give them long enough to turn up, though, because, I mean, my mates call me for a drink the next day, I'm like, I don't know if I can make, you know, you've only given them... | 你给他们的时间够长了吗? 因为,我的意思是,我的伙伴们打电话给我 第二天喝一杯,我觉得,我不知道我能不能做,你知道,你只给了他们... |
| 30 | Well, I know they've said that, but they wrote to me on Monday, Kemi wrote to me, and I was glad to get the letter, and Ed had said the same, so I kind of thought, well, I'll reply straight away, and I did and said, right, I'm here, let's... | 我知道他们说了,但他们星期一给我写信,凯米给我写信,我很高兴收到这封信,艾德也这么说,所以我想,我马上回信,然后说,好,我来了,我们... |
| 31 | We talked about it earlier, these issues just don't, they're not going to get solved unless we work together. | 我们之前谈过,这些问题只是没有, 他们不会得到解决,除非我们合作。 |
| 32 | No, and we'll get together, I mean, her Shadow Health Secretary's coming today, and I just thought the best thing is to dive straight in, isn't it, and to get talking about the issues. | 不,我们会在一起的, 我的意思是,她的影子健康秘书 今天来, 我只是觉得最好的事情是 直接潜入,是不是, 并谈论问题。 |
| 33 | I don't know whether there is common ground, but let's try and find it. | 我不知道是否有共同点,但让我们试着找到它。 |
| 34 | Politics too often is looking to kind of find, oh, how can we attack the other side, and how can we make some political capital out of that? | 政治太常地想找到,哦,我们如何攻击对方,如何从中取得一些政治资本? |
| 35 | Even your own side. | 连你自己也一样 |
| 36 | I mean, like, you know, everything's... | 我的意思是,喜欢,你知道, 一切都是... |
| 37 | I think when we get frustrated and when our viewers get frustrated, we hear from them, it's like, everything's so short-term. | 我认为,当我们感到沮丧,当我们的观众感到沮丧时,我们从他们那里听到,就像,一切都是短暂的. |
| 38 | So, I mean, you know, even your own party, you know, got elected as a massive majority in 2024, and within two years, they've chucked out a leader and they've got someone else in, do you know what I mean? | 所以,我的意思是,你知道,甚至你自己的政党, 你知道,在2024年,被选为 大规模多数, 在两年内, 他们抛弃了一个领袖, 他们得到了另一个人英寸 你知道我的意思吗? |
| 39 | You can see people get so exasperated with it. | 你可以看到人们对它如此兴奋。 |
| 40 | 100%, I understand that, but that's why I said in Downing Street, I'm going to try to do something different. | 100%,我理解,但这就是为什么我在唐宁街说, 我要尝试做一些不同的事情。 |
| 41 | If we're going to just carry on as we are, then they'll be the eighth and whatever, and we'll just be in this loop. | 如果我们要继续这样下去, 那么他们会是第八,什么的, 我们只是在这个循环。 |
| 42 | You know, we've had a turbulent decade, haven't we? | 你知道,我们有一个动荡的十年,不是吗? |
| 43 | Definitely. | 当然 |
| 44 | In the last ten years, the country hasn't felt like it's moving forward, it's felt a bit stuck, hasn't it? | 近十年来,国人不觉有前进之感,有一点卡住了,岂不是么? |
| 45 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 46 | And I just feel we've got to try and break out of that, and I'm bringing that sort of energy, if you like, to what I'm trying to... | 我只是觉得我们必须试着从中解脱出来, 而我正在把那种能量,如果你喜欢的话, 带到我想... |
| 47 | Who knows whether it works or not, I don't know, but I'll give it a good go. | 谁知道它是否有效,我不知道, 但我会给它一个好办法。 |
| 48 | You are definitely changing it up a little bit. | 你绝对是把它换了一点。 |
| 49 | I mean, we've got ten North, is that right? | 我的意思是,我们已经得到了10北,是吗? |
| 50 | Number ten North. | 北十号. |
| 51 | Ten Downing Street North. | 北起唐宁街十号. |
| 52 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 53 | First of all, who is going to be paying for this? | 首先,谁会为此付出代价? |
| 54 | And second, I mean, there's been quite a few critics who are a little bit against it. | 其次,我是说, 有一些批评者 有点反对它。 |
| 55 | Why are you doing it and why is it so important to you to have that base up north? | 你为什么要这么做 为什么要让基地北上? |
| 56 | I think it's important that people see that decisions are being made in all parts of the country, | 我认为重要的是,人们要看到,决定 正在全国各地, |
| 57 | understanding the needs of different parts of the country. | 了解该国不同地区的需要。 |
| 58 | In terms of how much, well, it's an existing government office in city centre Manchester, | 就多少而言,这是曼彻斯特市中心的一个政府办公室 |
| 59 | so it's already occupied as a government office, so it's just taking an extra space there. | 所以它已经作为政府办公室被占用了 所以它只是占用了额外的空间 |
| 60 | So it's not going to be moving again? | 所以它不会再动了吗? |
| 61 | No, no, it's there. | 不,不,它在这里。 |
| 62 | But it has a really specific job, and its job is to support all of the mayors and all of the different places | 但是,它有一个非常具体的工作, 它的工作是支持所有市长和所有的地方 |
| 63 | and all of the nations as well, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, | 以及苏格兰、威尔士、北爱尔兰、 |
| 64 | with making Whitehall give them answers to what they're looking for so they can get growth going in their places. | 让怀特霍尔给他们答案 他们正在寻找什么 这样他们就能在自己的地方成长 |
| 65 | At the moment they have to go to the Department for Transport for this and the Department for Education for that. | 目前,他们必须为此前往交通部,而教育部则为此前往。 |
| 66 | Number ten North will say, right, what do you need? | 北十号会说,你需要什么? |
| 67 | We'll broker it in Whitehall and we'll come back to you, we'll give you what you need. | 我们会在怀特霍尔做经纪人 我们会回来找你,给你需要的 |
| 68 | I made, or helped to make, I don't want to sound like I'm claiming all the credit, | 我做了,或帮助做了, 我不想听起来像 我要求所有的功劳, |
| 69 | but Greater Manchester has become the fastest growing city region in the country | 但大曼彻斯特已经成为全国增长最快的城市区域 |
| 70 | and what I'm trying to do through number ten North is take what we did in Greater Manchester | 我试图通过10号 北是拿我们在大曼彻斯特所做的 |
| 71 | and make it available to all parts of England, all of the nations, and get growth going everywhere. | 并把它提供给英格兰的所有地区,所有的国家, 并让增长去任何地方。 |
| 72 | So it's country-wide, so it's not, so if you're a coastal town in East Anglia... | 所以,它是全国的,所以它不是, 所以如果你是一个沿海城镇 在东安格利亚... |
| 73 | It's as much for them, yeah. | 对他们来说也一样 |
| 74 | It's not for the North, I know it may sound like it's for the North, | 不是给北方的 我知道这听起来像是给北方的 |
| 75 | it's as much for East Anglia, the South West as it is for the North East. | 其为东安乐国,西南为东北. |
| 76 | I was like, it's just a room so we can go into Everton every two weeks. | 我当时想,这只是一个房间 这样我们就可以每两周进一次埃弗顿 |
| 77 | Maybe. | 也许 |
| 78 | That is a little bit part of it. | 这是它的一部分。 |
| 79 | And it's not a gimmick, it's a serious thing. | 且非 gi,实为重事. |
| 80 | No, I want to be judged on these things. | 不,我想被判决 |
| 81 | I've thought a lot about what I want to do, so, you know, I say the last decade, Alison, | 我想了很多我想做的事 所以,你知道,我说 过去十年,艾莉森, |
| 82 | the country hasn't been growing and, you know, if you go back to the 80s, | 这个国家没有增长 如果你回到80年代 |
| 83 | parts of Britain were deindustrialised, nothing has ever come in since, | 英国的部分地区被去工业化, 从那时起, |
| 84 | the high streets look a little depressed, you know, we need to kind of change that, | 街道看起来有点沮丧, 你知道,我们需要改变, |
| 85 | we need to turn things around. | 我们需要扭转局面。 |
| 86 | We do. | 没错 |
| 87 | Giving more power to those places to do more for themselves, | 给这些地方更多的力量 为自己做更多的事情, |
| 88 | as Greater Manchester was given, is part of the way that you do that. | 大曼彻斯特被给予, 也是你这样做的方式的一部分。 |
| 89 | Andy, you've announced quite a lot in ten days, | 安迪,你已经宣布了很多 在十天内, |
| 90 | and I don't want to give you too much of a hard time, | 我不想给你太多麻烦 |
| 91 | because you only made the opposite ten days, | 因为你只做了相反的十天, |
| 92 | but there's a lot that needs to be cost... | 但需要付出很多代价... |
| 93 | I think it's nine, actually, but anyway... | 我觉得是九点,但无论如何... |
| 94 | There's a lot that needs to be costed here, | 这里需要花费很多钱 |
| 95 | and all the external factors that Keir Starmer had, you still have, | 还有凯尔·斯塔默所有的外在因素 你还有 |
| 96 | you know, you've still got Iran, still got Ukraine, still got cuts of energy, | 你知道,你仍然有伊朗, 仍然有乌克兰, 仍然有削减的能量, |
| 97 | so how do you envisage paying for this? | 那你打算怎么付钱? |
| 98 | I mean, I know you're not going to give us any sort of revelations right now, | 我的意思是,我知道你不会 给我们任何种类的启示,现在, |
| 99 | but what's the thinking process? | 但思考的过程是什么? |
| 100 | It's a great question, and it's the one that a lot of people will ask at home. | 问之甚矣,而人多在家问之. |
| 101 | So you've got to show how you fund things, | 所以,你必须展示 你如何资助事物, |
| 102 | and I'm going to do that initially through reprioritising commitments. | 我首先要重新确定承诺的优先次序。 |
| 103 | Personally, this is my view, | 我个人的看法是 |
| 104 | but I do think it's shared with a lot of people in the country. | 但我确实认为它与全国很多人分享。 |
| 105 | I don't think digital ID is a top priority for people right now | 我不认为数字身份证是 现在人们的首要任务 |
| 106 | when people are under that cost-of-living pressure. | 当人们面临生活费用压力时 |
| 107 | So what I've decided to do is take allocation that was made for that | 所以,我决定做的是 采取分配 之前为此 |
| 108 | and reprioritise it. | 并调整它的优先次序。 |
| 109 | So £2 bus fares, I'm going to bring in that cap again on bus fares in 2027. | 所以,2英镑的公交车票价,我将在2027年再次带来 车票上限。 |
| 110 | So all over England, people will be able to travel for £2. | 因此,在全英格兰,人们可以旅行2英镑. |
| 111 | And that does make a massive difference, | 这确实有很大的不同, |
| 112 | because people can save money every single day through a policy like that. | 因为人们每天都可以通过这样的政策来节省钱。 |
| 113 | I decided to take VAT off electricity bills. | 我决定去掉电费 |
| 114 | Not a huge amount of money, | 不是一大笔钱 |
| 115 | but still it enables people to just have that little bit of breathing space. | 但仍能让人有那么一点呼吸空间 |
| 116 | And then if you look at businesses, | 然后如果你看看企业, |
| 117 | I decided to cut the business rates for pubs. | 我决定降低酒吧的营业费 |
| 118 | Again, people will say, well, how? | 再说一遍,人们会怎么说? |
| 119 | I think you've got to kind of show different priorities in saying, | 我认为你必须展现出不同的优先事项 |
| 120 | well, pubs, I think, bring a lot of benefits to high streets. | 酒吧,我认为, 给高街道带来很多好处。 |
| 121 | They bring people out, life and atmosphere. | 他们把人带出来,生命和气氛。 |
| 122 | But then you look at adult gaming centres or vape shops that do quite a lot of harm. | 但是,然后你看看成人游戏中心 或流浪店 做很多伤害。 |
| 123 | And so you can have a business rate system that kind of recognises, | 这样你就可以有一个商业利率系统 那种承认, |
| 124 | supports the ones who are doing good things and helping bring places to life. | 支持那些做好事和帮助创造生活环境的人。 |
| 125 | Stick the old restaurants in there when you get a chance as well. | 等有机会再把老餐馆塞进去 |
| 126 | Well, I'm looking at that as well. | 我也在看这个 |
| 127 | That's so true. | 没错 |
| 128 | You're right about that. | 你说得对 |
| 129 | I think a lot of people look at the high street thing and they go, | 我认为很多人看 高街道的事情,他们走了, |
| 130 | look, we want high streets to thrive. | 听着,我们希望高架街道繁荣发展。 |
| 131 | And they obviously need to repurpose them because things evolve. | 他们显然需要重新使用它们,因为事情正在演变。 |
| 132 | But I think people see big warehouses over multinationals paying like, | 但我想人们会看到大仓库 比跨国公司支付一样, |
| 133 | you know, tuppence, like business rates. | 你知道,两便士, 像商业利率。 |
| 134 | And then young businesses, entrepreneurs, middle classes, | 然后年轻企业,企业家,中产阶级, |
| 135 | are getting clobbered there on the high street. | 在高架街上 正在受到打击 |
| 136 | Definitely. | 当然 |
| 137 | I mean, you're absolutely right. | 你说得对 |
| 138 | You've basically described the policy. | 你基本上已经描述了政策。 |
| 139 | I don't have the answer, though. | 但我没有答案 |
| 140 | There's a second stage to it where we do try and lift some of those | 还有第二个阶段,我们尝试 举起一些那些 |
| 141 | independent businesses, bars, cafes, restaurants, | 独立企业,酒吧,咖啡馆,餐馆, |
| 142 | out of business rates altogether. | 完全没有营业利率。 |
| 143 | We're still working on that side of it. | 我们还在那边工作 |
| 144 | But that is the plan. | 但这就是计划 |
| 145 | But it will be fully funded when we announce it. | 但是,当我们宣布它时,它将得到充分的资金。 |
| 146 | So I get what you're saying. | 所以,我明白了你说的。 |
| 147 | You know, those businesses help bring life back to our towns | 你知道,那些企业 帮助把生活带回我们的城镇 |
| 148 | and lift high streets. | 举起高架街道 |
| 149 | And I know that's a big issue for people. | 我知道这对人们来说是个大问题。 |
| 150 | How do you go about costing that in terms of like, | 你如何去计算成本 喜欢, |
| 151 | because you're starting from a standing start, aren't you? | 因为你是从站立开始的,不是吗? |
| 152 | You're just going to the job. | 你只是去工作。 |
| 153 | There are only nine days in it. | 里面只有九天时间 |
| 154 | So are you just going to be kind of like beavering away all summer | 所以,你只是要去 有点像 水狸离开整个夏天 |
| 155 | just, you know, with the chancellor? | 只是,你知道, 与总统? |
| 156 | I'm trying to get a bit of a break at some point. | 我试图得到一点点休息的时间。 |
| 157 | But no, I'm going to kind of really just go at this | 但是,不,我要去 那种真的只是去这个 |
| 158 | with the energy that is needed. | 与需要的能量。 |
| 159 | But in August, I will get around the country, actually, | 但是在8月,我会绕过这个国家,实际上, |
| 160 | because people will perceive me as obviously spoken up for the north | 因为人们会认为我是 明显的北方人 |
| 161 | and Greater Manchester. | 和大曼彻斯特。 |
| 162 | I'm very proud of that. | 我为此感到非常骄傲。 |
| 163 | But, you know, I see the same issues in all parts of the UK. | 但是,你知道,我看到同样的问题 在英国各地。 |
| 164 | So I'm going to be out in rural areas, coastal areas in the summer, | 因此,我要去 农村地区,沿海地区在夏天, |
| 165 | in Wales, in Scotland, Northern Ireland. | 在威尔士,在苏格兰,北爱尔兰。 |
| 166 | So I'm just going to get around and about and just go to pubs | 所以我要四处转转 去酒吧 |
| 167 | and workplaces and just chat to people. | 和工作场所,只是聊天的人。 |
| 168 | I did my job as mayor of Greater Manchester like that. | 我做了我作为大曼彻斯特市长的工作 |
| 169 | You know, I just would pick up a little thing | 你知道,我只是会拿起一个小东西 |
| 170 | that somebody would whisper in me in the queue at Gregg's | 有人在格雷格家排队时对我低语 |
| 171 | or somewhere else, you know, or in the bar at the pub | 或者在酒吧的酒吧里 |
| 172 | and just say, you should look at that, you know. | 并只是说, 你应该看看,你知道的。 |
| 173 | And often I pick my ideas up like that as a politician. | 我经常以政治家的身分来提自己的想法。 |
| 174 | So, you know, you go into this job and you kind of feel | 所以,你知道,你进入 这份工作,你觉得 |
| 175 | the Westminster world coming around you again | 威斯敏斯特世界又来了 |
| 176 | and almost the bubble, as people say. | 就像人们说的 几乎是泡沫 |
| 177 | I'm determined not to end up in that Westminster bubble. | 我决意不死在威斯敏斯特的泡沫里 |
| 178 | I carry on doing the job in a way that I think I'm best at doing it, | 我继续做这个工作的方式 我认为我最好这样做, |
| 179 | which is just to be out there listening to people, | 它只是在那里听人说话, |
| 180 | picking up their ideas and bringing them back. | 捡起他们的想法,带他们回来。 |
| 181 | Oh, I'm glad you're listening because I just want to know | 哦,我很高兴你听 因为我只是想知道 |
| 182 | that the taxes are not going to go up. | 税收不会上升。 |
| 183 | Please assure me that taxes are not going to go up. | 请向我保证,税收不会上升。 |
| 184 | I'm going to stick to the manifesto, Alison. | 我要坚持宣言,艾莉森。 |
| 185 | It had very firm commitments on tax in the manifesto. | 它在宣言中对税收作出了非常坚定的承诺。 |
| 186 | I suppose it's hard because you've got to do one... | 我想这是很难的 因为你必须做一个... |
| 187 | You've either got to put some tax up | 你要么要交税 |
| 188 | or you've got to cut spending somewhere, right? | 或者你必须削减开支,对不对? |
| 189 | Well, you've got to, obviously, make hard choices, haven't you? | 你显然得做出艰难的选择 不是吗? |
| 190 | And I mentioned one, you know, I did take the decision | 我提到一个,你知道,我确实做了决定 |
| 191 | to re-prioritise, and I've taken other decisions as well, | 重排优先级 我也做了其他决定 |
| 192 | budgets that were allocated, and you said, | 你说, |
| 193 | well, hang on a minute, what's the big priority now? | 好吧,等一下, 什么是大优先吗? |
| 194 | It's cost of living, isn't it? | 这是生活的代价,不是吗? |
| 195 | I mean, for your viewers, it's the thing. | 我的意思是,对于你的观众,这是事情。 |
| 196 | I heard it on doorsteps in Makerfield, every single one, actually. | 我从马克菲尔德的门阶上听到的, 实际上,每个门阶。 |
| 197 | Immigration, too, is a big concern and issues to deal with there, | 移民也是一个需要处理的重大问题。 |
| 198 | for sure, but cost of living is the big one. | 当然,但生活成本是巨大的。 |
| 199 | And what I want to do is kind of what I did in Greater Manchester, | 我想做的是在大曼彻斯特做的事 |
| 200 | which was to put buses under public control | 将公交车置于公共控制之下 |
| 201 | so that we could then have more control of the prices that people pay. | 这样我们可以更控制人们付出的代价。 |
| 202 | So we've got lower fares in Greater Manchester, | 因此,我们在大曼彻斯特的票价较低, |
| 203 | as people have here in London, | 就像伦敦的人一样 |
| 204 | because we run the system in a different way. | 因为我们以不同的方式运行系统。 |
| 205 | And I do think there's an argument to do the same with water. | 我确实认为水也有同样的理由。 |
| 206 | I do think there's an argument to make sure railways offer lower fares. | 我确实觉得有道理 确保铁路提供较低的票价 |
| 207 | Now we've got more public control of the railways. | 现在我们对铁路有了更多的公共控制. |
| 208 | I do see that as the agenda that I will build out going forward. | 我认为这是我今后将制定的议程。 |
| 209 | Cost of living is going to be... | 生活费用会... |
| 210 | I think, in the end, people will judge whether or not | 最终人们会判断 |
| 211 | I've made a difference on those issues. | 我在这些问题上有所作为。 |
| 212 | Obviously, social care is very close to your heart, | 很明显,社会关怀非常接近你的心脏, |
| 213 | and you spoke so passionately today about it and about your dad. | 你今天很热衷地谈论它和你父亲 |
| 214 | What I want to know is what is actually going to pay for... | 我想知道的是 到底要付多少钱... |
| 215 | How are we going to pay for it? | 我们怎么付钱? |
| 216 | Because I know, historically, he was very interested in the 10% levy | 因为我知道,从历史上看, 他对10%的税很感兴趣 |
| 217 | that everyone should pay when they die. | 每个人都应该支付 当他们死了。 |
| 218 | I know that, historically, he was interested in that. | 我知道,在历史上,他对此感兴趣。 |
| 219 | Would that replace the 40% inheritance tax? | 那会取代40%的遗产税吗? |
| 220 | Well, the thing is, people are paying now, | 问题是,人们现在付钱了 |
| 221 | but they're just paying in the most unfair way possible. | 但他们只是以最不公平的方式支付。 |
| 222 | Because at the moment, you've got your savings in your home, | 因为现在 你家里有积蓄 |
| 223 | they can be whittled right down to that floor of £23,000. | 他们可以直接被击落到23000英镑的地板上。 |
| 224 | So some people who are the most unfortunate | 所以有些人是最不幸的 |
| 225 | can lose hundreds of thousands of pounds. | 能减数十万斤. |
| 226 | So the current system is the worst of all worlds. | 因此目前的系统是所有世界中最糟糕的. |
| 227 | And as part of this review now that Baroness Louise Casey is doing, | 作为这次审查的一部分 现在路易丝·凯西男爵夫人正在做, |
| 228 | we're going to look at all of those things, | 我们要看看所有这些东西, |
| 229 | but what I've just said at the event | 但我刚才在活动中说的话 |
| 230 | I've just been out in the media were there, too. | 我刚刚在媒体里也在场 |
| 231 | Let's at least let the public see all of these different ideas | 至少让公众看看这些不同的想法吧 |
| 232 | and not run scare stories on the back of them. | 而不是在他们背后散布恐怖故事 |
| 233 | Let's give people the facts and help people then to see, | 让我们把事实告诉大家,帮助人们看到, |
| 234 | well, which one is the best one? | 哪个是最好的? |
| 235 | You know, there's a possibility of looking at different ways | 你知道,有看 不同的方式 |
| 236 | of paying for social care. | 支付社会照顾费用。 |
| 237 | What I know is the current way is the most unfair way. | 我知道的是目前的方式是最不公平的 |
| 238 | It's like in American healthcare. | 这就像在美国保健。 |
| 239 | So the most unfortunate people end up with the biggest bill. | 所以最不幸的人最后会得到最大的帐单. |
| 240 | So strange, isn't it, because you've got this NHS | 很奇怪,不是吗? 因为你有NHS |
| 241 | that just does this incredible work, | 做这个不可思议的工作, |
| 242 | and it just doesn't seem that much joined up thinking between them. | 似乎他们之间没有太多想法 |
| 243 | Exactly, though, and this is where there is some money | 没错,虽然,这里有钱 |
| 244 | that can be unlocked from the NHS, | 可以解锁 从NHS, |
| 245 | because I've experienced this with my family's situation. | 因为我亲身经历过这个 |
| 246 | The carers are trying to do everything within a 15-minute visit, | 照顾者试图在15分钟的探访中做一切事情, |
| 247 | and often they can't, particularly when... | 他们常常不能,特别是当... |
| 248 | My dad's needs got higher. | 我父亲的需求更高了 |
| 249 | You can't do that. | 你不能这样做。 |
| 250 | And then they would just say, well, we can't do... | 然后他们会说,嗯,我们不能... |
| 251 | Well, your dad's not, you know, able to cooperate. | 你爸爸不会合作的 |
| 252 | We're going to ring 999. | 我们要打999 |
| 253 | And that was a regular experience of the care system, | 这是护理系统的定期经验, |
| 254 | so underfunded, just tries to sort of pass off the problem to the NHS. | 资金如此不足,只是试图把问题转移到国民保健制度。 |
| 255 | Because that's the alternative, right? | 因为这是另一种选择,对不对? |
| 256 | And then people end up in hospital unnecessarily, | 然后人们不必要地进了医院 |
| 257 | and they stay there for a long time, and they can't be discharged. | 他们在那里呆了很长一段时间 他们不能出院 |
| 258 | I don't blame the staff, by the way. | 顺便说一句 我不怪员工 |
| 259 | You know, I've got nothing but praise for the staff | 你知道,我除了赞美员工之外,什么也没有 |
| 260 | who've looked after my dad, many of them from other countries, | 照顾过我爸爸 很多人来自其他国家 |
| 261 | and I want them to know we appreciate them. | 我希望他们知道我们感激他们 |
| 262 | I think people who look after other people's parents | 我觉得那些照顾别人父母的人 |
| 263 | should be the best paid in society, not the worst paid. | 应该是社会收入最高的,而不是收入最差的。 |
| 264 | How's your dad doing? | 你爸爸怎么样? |
| 265 | Yeah, he's OK. | 是的,他没事。 |
| 266 | He's OK, yeah, and he's well looked after in the place where he is. | 他没事的,是的,他照顾得很好 在他的地方。 |
| 267 | He'd be so proud of you now. | 他会为你骄傲的 |
| 268 | Look at you now, on this morning. | 看你现在,今天早上。 |
| 269 | He would. | 他会的 |
| 270 | I don't know if... | 我不知道,如果... |
| 271 | And being proud of yourself. | 亦自为荣. |
| 272 | I've really made it when I'm on this sofa. | 我在这沙发上真的做了 |
| 273 | I don't know if he knows, obviously. | 我不知道他是否知道,很明显。 |
| 274 | I mean, the care home staff said something wonderful to me at the weekend. | 我的意思是,护理家庭工作人员 对我说一些美妙的周末。 |
| 275 | They said on the day that I went up Downing Street, | 他们说我上唐宁街那天 |
| 276 | they got him right in front of the television, | 他们把他放在电视前 |
| 277 | and a few of them said, look, Roy, look, look, look. | 有几个说,看,罗伊,看,看,看。 |
| 278 | Oh, it makes me a bit emotional. | 哦,这让我有点情绪化。 |
| 279 | Yeah, I bet it does. | 是的,我敢打赌,它是。 |
| 280 | I was then with my mum, and I was talking to my mum. | 当时我和我妈在一起,我和我妈说话。 |
| 281 | I was just talking about my dad a little bit. | 我只是在说我爸 |
| 282 | There are everything. | 万事俱备 |
| 283 | Our parents are our core values. | 我们的父母是我们的核心价值观。 |
| 284 | For me, I wouldn't be sitting here, not for Roy and Eileen. | 对我来说,我不会坐在这里, 不是为了罗伊和艾琳。 |
| 285 | They were everything. | 他们就是一切。 |
| 286 | They made me and my brothers. | 他们让我和我的兄弟。 |
| 287 | They instilled everything. | 他们灌输一切。 |
| 288 | Lovely picture there. | 照片不错 |
| 289 | They also instilled Everton Football Club in my book, | 他们还在我的书里灌输了埃弗顿足球俱乐部 |
| 290 | and I don't know whether I thank them for that on a regular basis. | 我不知道我是否经常感谢他们。 |
| 291 | Do you thank them for your music taste? | 你感谢你的音乐品味吗? |
| 292 | I know it's been a bit impossible, but you've got a good music taste. | 我知道这有点不可能 但你有很好的音乐品味 |
| 293 | Well, you saw her there on the picture. | 你在照片上看见她了 |
| 294 | She was an original Cavern girl. | 她是一个原始的卡文女孩。 |
| 295 | So, you know, growing up in our house, | 所以,你知道, 长大在我们的房子, |
| 296 | the Beatles would be on all of the time, you know, and... | 披头士会一直戴着 你知道的 还有... |
| 297 | Yeah, so that love of music was there. | 是啊,所以那爱 音乐在那里。 |
| 298 | When the Manchester scene came through in my teenage years, | 当我十几岁时曼彻斯特的场景结束 |
| 299 | it was like a natural thing. | 这就像一个自然的事情。 |
| 300 | I have to say, you are looking pretty... | 我不得不说 你看起来很漂亮... |
| 301 | You're one of the prettiest, flyiest... | 你是最漂亮,最飞的... |
| 302 | Pretty fly. | 漂亮的苍蝇。 |
| 303 | ..Prime Ministers I've ever seen. | 我见过的首相们 |
| 304 | I'm loving the clothes and everything. | 我爱的衣服和一切。 |
| 305 | But you've had a lot of criticism, in fact. | 但实际上你有很多批评 |
| 306 | Your wife has had a lot of criticism, | 你妻子受到很多批评 |
| 307 | which I just think it was uncalled for. | 我只是觉得这是无谓的。 |
| 308 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 309 | How do you cope with people judging what you're wearing, | 你怎么对付别人判断你穿的是什么 |
| 310 | how much it costs and things like that? | 花多少钱和类似的东西? |
| 311 | How do you deal with that? | 你怎么处理? |
| 312 | It comes with it, doesn't it? | 随它而来,不是吗? |
| 313 | I'm not going to moan about that. | 我不会抱怨的 |
| 314 | It's just part of it, isn't it? | 这只是它的一部分,不是吗? |
| 315 | You've put yourself there | 你自找麻烦了 |
| 316 | and you accept that as part of what comes with the job. | 你接受这工作的一部分。 |
| 317 | I don't think that's going to... It's not right, is it? | 我不认为那会... 这是不对的,是吗? |
| 318 | It's like complaining about the weather or something, isn't it? | 就像抱怨天气之类的,不是吗? |
| 319 | It's just there, isn't it? | 就在那里,不是吗? |
| 320 | It's part of it. | 其属也. |
| 321 | But, well, we've took the decision together as a family as well, | 但是,我们作为一家人一起做了决定 |
| 322 | so all my family were there and I've talked to them all about it. | 所以我的家人都在那里 我已经和他们谈过了 |
| 323 | Yeah, I'm just going to try and go at this in the right way, you know? | 是的,我只是要尝试 用正确的方式,你知道吗? |
| 324 | I'll take the rough with the smooth and there'll be ups and downs. | 以滑 smooth取粗,则有升降. |
| 325 | I know that, but I'm just going to give it as best I can. | 我知道 但我会尽力而为 |
| 326 | I'm going to try and be myself and stay true to what I believe in. | 我将尝试做我自己 并忠实于我所信仰的 |
| 327 | You can't second-guess, can you? | 你不能再怀疑一下,对吧? |
| 328 | You've just got to be incentive about it. | 你只需要有激励。 |
| 329 | No, you can't. | 不,你无法。 |
| 330 | The maddest thing is, it's one thing him coping with, | 最疯狂的是,这是他面对的一件事, |
| 331 | you're the Prime Minister, but when your wife is pulled into things, | 你是首相,但当你的妻子 被拉入事物, |
| 332 | it's a different thing, isn't it? | 这是另一回事,不是吗? |
| 333 | It's a different thing altogether. | 完全不一样 |
| 334 | So I thought she looked absolutely beautiful. | 所以我觉得她看起来绝对漂亮 |
| 335 | It's great. | 赞曰. |
| 336 | Oh, I'll tell her. | 哦,我会告诉她。 |
| 337 | Make sure you do. | 确保你这样做。 |
| 338 | I want to meet Marie. | 我想见玛丽。 |
| 339 | I want to meet her. | 我想见见她。 |
| 340 | And lastly, are you aware of Mandy Burnham? | 最后,你知道曼迪・伯纳姆吗? |
| 341 | 我已经意识到Mandy Burnham。 | |
| 342 | I haven't met... | 我没见过... |
| 343 | She should double their shoes! | 她应该双双鞋! |
| 344 | She is a chaplain for the Quakers. | 她是贵格会的牧师 |
| 345 | Emma Roberts... | 艾玛·罗伯茨... |
| 346 | If you look at camera one over there, let's see. | 如果你看镜头一, 让我们看看。 |
| 347 | If I look in my head, then everyone can judge, can't they? | 如果我看着我的脑袋, 那么每个人都可以判断,不是吗? |
| 348 | She's better-looking than me. | 她比我帅多了 |
| 349 | She's a sweetheart. | 她是一个甜心。 |
| 350 | We had her on yesterday, | 我们昨天有她, |
| 351 | and she's a chaplain for the Quakers, | 她是贵格会的牧师, |
| 352 | so if you ever want to do a bit of Catholic Quaker for the love, | 所以,如果你想做一点 天主教贵格会的爱, |
| 353 | she's up for it. | 她已经准备好了 |
| 354 | She could be a next minister for religion. | 她可能是下一位宗教部长。 |
| 355 | I liked the Quakers, and, yeah, got my own background. | 我喜欢贵格会, 而且,是的,有我自己的背景。 |
| 356 | Listen. | 听着 |
| 357 | Don't be a stranger! | 别像个陌生人! |
| 358 | No. | 没有 |
| 359 | Mr Prime Minister, come back any time you want. | 首相先生,随时回来 |
| 360 | Alison, I won't. | 艾莉森 我不会的 |
| 361 | Good luck. | 祝你好运 |
| 362 | Yeah, thank you, Demond. | 是的,谢谢你,恶魔。 |
| 363 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 364 | A lovely talk. | 说得好听 |
| 365 | And stay here for five years. | 并住此地五年. |
| 366 | I'll try. | 我会尽力的 |
| 367 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
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