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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | Mr. President, Kiev feels very different than it has over the last few years. | 主席先生,基辅感到与过去几年大不相同。 |
| 0:04 | People used to just walk calmly during air raid sirens. | 人们在空袭警报器时会平静地行走 |
| 0:08 | Now we see them run to the subway, to shelters. | 现在我们看到他们跑到地铁 和避难所。 |
| 0:11 | How do you prepare a city of this size for the extra shock | 怎样才能让这么大的城市 面对更大的冲击 |
| 0:15 | of this new wave of Russian ballistic missile attack? | 这新一轮俄罗斯弹道导弹攻击? |
| 0:18 | Each night you have attacks and four or five times per month we have massive attacks. | 每晚你都有攻击,每个月四五次 我们都有大规模攻击。 |
| 0:25 | People live, people try to have some sun and try to spend, of course, because of terrible nights. | 人们生活,人们尝试一些阳光 并尝试花时间,当然,因为可怕的夜晚。 |
| 0:36 | Very heroic, very resilient people, really, but they tie it understandable. | 非常英勇,非常有韧性的人,真的,但他们把它绑起来是可以理解的。 |
| 0:42 | Are you out of interceptors now? | 你现在没有拦截器了吗? |
| 0:44 | Do you have none left? | 你什么都没有了吗? |
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| 1 | Mr. President, Kiev feels very different than it has over the last few years. | 主席先生,基辅感到与过去几年大不相同。 |
| 2 | People used to just walk calmly during air raid sirens. | 人们在空袭警报器时会平静地行走 |
| 3 | Now we see them run to the subway, to shelters. | 现在我们看到他们跑到地铁 和避难所。 |
| 4 | How do you prepare a city of this size for the extra shock | 怎样才能让这么大的城市 面对更大的冲击 |
| 5 | of this new wave of Russian ballistic missile attack? | 这新一轮俄罗斯弹道导弹攻击? |
| 6 | Each night you have attacks and four or five times per month we have massive attacks. | 每晚你都有攻击,每个月四五次 我们都有大规模攻击。 |
| 7 | People live, people try to have some sun and try to spend, of course, because of terrible nights. | 人们生活,人们尝试一些阳光 并尝试花时间,当然,因为可怕的夜晚。 |
| 8 | Very heroic, very resilient people, really, but they tie it understandable. | 非常英勇,非常有韧性的人,真的,但他们把它绑起来是可以理解的。 |
| 9 | Are you out of interceptors now? | 你现在没有拦截器了吗? |
| 10 | Do you have none left? | 你什么都没有了吗? |
| 11 | No. | 没有 |
| 12 | I will explain to you how it works. | 我会向你解释它是如何运作的。 |
| 13 | So this year we have two and a half times less interceptors than we had in 2025. | 所以今年我们的拦截器比2025年少2.5倍。 |
| 14 | First, Russia has two times more ballistic missiles per month than they had before. | 首先,俄罗斯的弹道导弹每月比以前多2倍。 |
| 15 | We pay 100 percent to Americans. | 我们向美国人支付100%的费用。 |
| 16 | I have the package from the United States and then my personal involvement. | 我从美国拿到包裹,然后我个人介入。 |
| 17 | It doesn't work the other way. | 亦无异法. |
| 18 | It's my personal talks, meetings and phone calls each day. | 这是我每天的私人谈话、会议和电话 |
| 19 | With everybody I try to exchange something to missiles. | 和每个人,我试图交换的东西 导弹。 |
| 20 | This year I'm asking American partners to sell me 5 percent, 5 percent of missiles, | 今年我要求美国合伙人 将5%的导弹卖给我 |
| 21 | what they have in their stocks. | 他们的库存。 |
| 22 | If they sell us 5 percent, we will go through the winter and save people's lives. | 如果他们把我们卖了5%, 我们将会渡过冬天,拯救人们的生命。 |
| 23 | If they can't sell us 10 percent, we will destroy all the Russians' ballistic missiles. | 如果他们不能卖掉我们10% 我们就会销毁所有俄国人的弹道导弹 |
| 24 | And has that request been answered yet? | 这一要求是否得到答复? |
| 25 | Have you had a clear indication as to whether... | 你对是否... |
| 26 | The answer for today is next. | 今天的答案是下一个。 |
| 27 | I have 1 percent. | 我拥有1%。 |
| 28 | This is in what I live each day. | 这是我每天的生活 |
| 29 | From 1 percent to 5 percent, I have some months and a million phone calls and anything else. | 从1%到5%,我有几个月,还有一百万个电话等等。 |
| 30 | What can I do? | 我能怎么办? |
| 31 | I do some things which I can't even share. | 我做一些我甚至不能分享的事情。 |
| 32 | It doesn't mean that it's out of the law. | 不谓离诸法. |
| 33 | No, but I can't speak about it. | 没有 但我不能说 |
| 34 | Have you picked up the phone to President Trump and asked for that assurance? | 你接通了特朗普总统的电话吗? |
| 35 | Since you met in Washington? | 自从你在华盛顿相遇之后? |
| 36 | Be honest. | 诚实点 |
| 37 | I'm asking him directly. | 我直接问他 |
| 38 | I'm asking him when I have meetings, when we have phone calls and be sure. | 我问他,当我有会议, 当我们有电话和确定。 |
| 39 | I'm asking him through different other people also. | 我问他 通过不同的其他人。 |
| 40 | You suggested yesterday that you made new proposals to the American side for a peace deal. | 你昨天建议,你向美国方面提出新的建议,要求达成和平协议。 |
| 41 | Or were there specific new ideas in this? | 还是有具体的新想法? |
| 42 | No, I don't want now to go into some details. | 不,我现在不想谈一些细节 |
| 43 | My opinion is that we need more involvement of the American side to the peace plan. | 我认为我们需要美国方面更多地参与和平计划。 |
| 44 | I know that they have some dialogue with the Russians. | 我知道他们和俄国人有些对话 |
| 45 | I don't know the details really. | 我不知道细节 |
| 46 | But it's normal. | 但是这是正常的。 |
| 47 | Putin doesn't want to stop this war now. | 普京现在不想停止这场战争. |
| 48 | And not enough pressure on him now. | 现在对他的压力还不够 |
| 49 | But there was one idea that was floated in earlier versions of the peace talks | 但有一个想法 被浮现 在早期的和平谈判版本 |
| 50 | where potentially you might cede the remainder of Donbass | 在那里你可能放弃 唐巴斯的剩余部分 |
| 51 | in order to get a more lasting peace. | 为了获得更持久的和平。 |
| 52 | And a year later, lots of those areas of Donbass are very hard for Ukrainian civilians to live in | 一年之后, 唐巴斯的很多地区 对乌克兰平民来说非常困难 |
| 53 | from drone attacks increasing. | 无人机攻击事件增加 |
| 54 | Does that concession seem more possible to you at this stage than it was a year ago? | 在目前阶段你似乎比一年前更可能做出让步吗? |
| 55 | No, the problem is security for Ukraine. | 不,问题在于乌克兰的安全。 |
| 56 | We all speak about territory. | 我们都谈论领土。 |
| 57 | Russia begins to speak about this war and they speak about territory. | 俄罗斯开始谈论这场战争,他们谈论领土。 |
| 58 | The key question is why he will not come again with one, two additional million soldiers | 关键是为什么他不会再带一,两百万士兵来 |
| 59 | after the big pause or small pause, why he will not come again to occupy us. | 在大停歇或小停歇之后 他为什么不回来占领我们 |
| 60 | What security guarantees you have? | 你有什么安全保障? |
| 61 | And there is no answer, there is no answer, clear answer for us | 没有答案,没有答案,没有明确的答案 |
| 62 | that he will not try again to occupy Ukraine. | 他不会再试图占领乌克兰。 |
| 63 | Do you feel there is a risk that he may escalate against NATO? | 你觉得他可能会升级到反对北约的地步吗? |
| 64 | Or is he too weak for that at this stage? | 还是他现在太软弱了? |
| 65 | He doesn't know how to end this war without big occupation or big victory for his society. | 他不知道如何结束这场战争,没有他的社会的大规模占领或重大胜利. |
| 66 | He doesn't understand how to do it. | 他不明白该怎么做 |
| 67 | It's more simply to find some smaller country. | 更简单的是找到一个较小的国家. |
| 68 | For him, it will not be important. | 对他来说,这不重要。 |
| 69 | This country in NATO or not in NATO, he wants quick victory. | 这个在北约或不在北约的国家,他想要迅速的胜利. |
| 70 | 100% be sure that he will win, occupy or destroy all control. | 百分百确定他会赢,占据或摧毁所有控制权. |
| 71 | It can be any country. | 它可以是任何国家。 |
| 72 | And Nick Paton-Wall joins us now from Kyiv. | 尼克·帕顿 -瓦尔现在从基辅加入我们 |
| 73 | Nick, such a great interview there because he was so candid | 尼克,那真是精彩的采访 因为他很坦率 |
| 74 | and really went to the heart of so many issues. | 并真正进入了这么多问题的核心。 |
| 75 | You have been in and out of Ukraine so many times during this conflict. | 在这场冲突中,你们多次出入乌克兰。 |
| 76 | Going into the winter, he really put a few key points on the line there | 进入冬天,他真的把 几个关键点在那里的线上 |
| 77 | in terms of having a dialogue, in terms of what he thinks Putin's conditions would be, | 就对话而言,就他所认为的普京的条件而言, |
| 78 | but also in terms of what allies, especially the United States, | 但对于什么盟国,特别是美国, |
| 79 | could offer in terms of security guarantees. | 可以提供安全保证。 |
| 80 | Is it apparent to you going into winter that he is optimistic? | 你觉得他很乐观吗? |
| 81 | I think the shortest answer is really no. | 我认为最短的答案是真的没有。 |
| 82 | And it's a stark change from three months ago when we were here essentially to report | 和三个月前相比,这是一个显著的变化 当我们在这里基本上报告 |
| 83 | on how Ukraine had managed to harness technology to get over its manpower shortages | 乌克兰是如何利用技术克服人力短缺的 |
| 84 | and to get the upper hand on the front lines, | 并获得第一线的优势, |
| 85 | but also with longer-range strikes hitting Russian refineries and infrastructure | 俄罗斯炼油厂和基础设施也遭到长期打击 |
| 86 | and the damage that was causing. | 以及所造成的损害。 |
| 87 | Now the narrative has unfortunately here swung back three months later. | 三个月后, |
| 88 | Zelensky himself has said the war seems to change dynamic every three months, | 泽伦斯基本人说,战争似乎每三个月就会有变化, |
| 89 | and now it's Ukraine desperately in need of interceptors to stop Russian ballistic missiles | 现在乌克兰急需拦截器来阻止俄罗斯的弹道导弹 |
| 90 | that must have been surging in production for years, months now, | 多年来,几个月来, 生产量都猛增, |
| 91 | but are now at a peak and look likely to continue to increase, | 但现在正处于一个高峰 并且看起来可能继续增加, |
| 92 | possibly far outside of whatever interceptor capabilities Ukraine may eventually get. | 可能远远超出乌克兰最终可能具备的拦截能力。 |
| 93 | And that appeal from Zelensky was directly at one man, really, | 而泽伦斯基的吸引力 直接针对一个人,真的, |
| 94 | President Donald Trump, and we asked the White House for a response to it, | 唐纳德·特朗普总统 我们要求白宫对此做出回应 |
| 95 | and an official from the White House said, well, not what Zelensky wants to hear. | 和白宫的一位官员说, 嗯,不是泽连斯基想听到的。 |
| 96 | Ultimately, that the exquisite weaponry of the United States is something they were looking | 归根结底,美国精致的武器是 他们正在寻找的东西 |
| 97 | to make more of for the US warfighter, but for partners and allies too, | 给美国参战者做点什么 但给伙伴和盟友 |
| 98 | echoing what we've been hearing, that there is no guarantee or decision made | 呼应我们一直听到的, 没有保证或决定 |
| 99 | about future co-production or decisions to allow Ukraine to produce | 关于今后共同生产或决定允许乌克兰生产 |
| 100 | interceptors for themselves. | 截击器自己。 |
| 101 | A key thing, Ukraine wants the license to do that. | 一个关键的事情,乌克兰希望许可证这样做。 |
| 102 | Trump said he would give it to them. | 特朗普说他会给他们的 |
| 103 | Then the manufacturers appear to have shown some concerns, | 然后,制造商似乎 表现出一些担心, |
| 104 | and then Trump wavered later on. | 后来特朗普挥霍了 |
| 105 | That's still undecided, not happening. | 这事还没有决定,没有发生。 |
| 106 | And two, echoing that, the White House said that any future activity | 第二,白宫说,未来的任何活动 |
| 107 | had to keep the security of US technology paramount. | 必须把美国技术的安全放在首位。 |
| 108 | So no good news from that plea. | 因此,没有好消息 从该认罪。 |
| 109 | And clearly, a global shortage now is the result of the conflict with Iran, | 显然,全球短缺是伊朗冲突的结果, |
| 110 | meaning that every night here, when the sirens go off and the telegram channels | 意味着每晚,当警报响起,电报频道 |
| 111 | that often warn about are suggesting the possibility of that again tonight, | 经常警告 意味着有可能 今晚再次, |
| 112 | it's long since a last massive attack against Ukraine, | 从上次对乌克兰的大规模攻击 已经过去了 |
| 113 | that we could hear the sirens causing people to know they have to sleep underground again, | 我们听到警笛声 让人们知道他们又得睡在地下 |
| 114 | because the safety they've enjoyed for years because of the interceptor program, | 因为他们多年来享受的安全 因为拦截程序, |
| 115 | well, it's now in doubt, if not non-existent. | 好吧,它现在在怀疑, 如果不是不存在。 |
| 116 | And so a real sense, I think, this ballistic threat can damage infrastructure, | 所以一个真正的感觉,我认为, 这个弹道威胁会破坏基础设施, |
| 117 | morale, and potentially cause extensive damage in Ukraine's cities, | 士气,并可能给乌克兰的城市造成巨大破坏, |
| 118 | hitherto now pretty safe comparatively compared to the front line. | 和前线相比,现在相当安全 |
| 119 | And that, together with Ukraine warning of North Korean troop involvement, | 加上乌克兰警告朝鲜军队介入, |
| 120 | the possibility of a mass Russian mobilization after Russia's local elections in September, | 9月俄罗斯地方选举后 俄罗斯大规模动员的可能性, |
| 121 | and the slow erosion of their positions along the front line. | 并缓慢侵蚀前线阵地。 |
| 122 | It's not been a good summer for Russia there at all. | 对俄罗斯来说,这年夏天一点也不好 |
| 123 | Massive losses, very little progress. | 大量损失,进展甚微。 |
| 124 | But we're seeing slight signs, they may be edging forwards, | 但我们看到一些轻微的迹象 他们可能正在向前发展 |
| 125 | that we're looking at a bleak winter indeed. | 我们正看着一个凄凉的冬天 |
| 126 | Nick Paton Walsh, it is good to have you on the ground there. | 尼克·帕顿·沃尔什 很高兴你能到场 |
| 127 | And again, you do note, given the time, that at any moment now, | 再说一遍,你确实注意到,考虑到时间, 在任何时刻, |
| 128 | Ukrainian civilians feel that they are at risk. | 乌克兰平民感到他们面临危险。 |
| 129 | And that is a quite different feeling than they had in years past. | 这和往年不一样 |
| 130 | Nick Paton Walsh for us in Kyiv. | 尼克・帕顿・沃尔什给我们在基辅。 |
| 131 | Appreciate it. | 谢谢 |
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