黄仁勋出轨的副总裁播客专访：医院不再是一栋楼，而是一个会思考
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | think about how the hospital itself should be a robot. | 想想医院本身应该如何成为机器人 |
| 0:04 | The hospital itself should have eyes and ears | 医院本身应该有眼睛和耳朵 |
| 0:07 | sensing everything that's going on | 感知一切发生 |
| 0:10 | and using the modern world foundation models | 利用现代世界基础模型 |
| 0:13 | and spatial intelligence to operate. | 和空间情报来操作。 |
| 0:16 | We have declining birth rates everywhere. | 我们的出生率到处都在下降。 |
| 0:18 | We have populations getting older and sicker | 我们的人口越来越老 病了 |
| 0:22 | and just more medically complex. | 更复杂的医疗。 |
| 0:24 | We're not adding net new clinicians quickly enough. | 我们没有很快地增加新的临床医生 |
| 0:28 | So those are the realities that we face. | 这就是我们面临的现实。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | think about how the hospital itself should be a robot. | 想想医院本身应该如何成为机器人 |
| 2 | The hospital itself should have eyes and ears | 医院本身应该有眼睛和耳朵 |
| 3 | sensing everything that's going on | 感知一切发生 |
| 4 | and using the modern world foundation models | 利用现代世界基础模型 |
| 5 | and spatial intelligence to operate. | 和空间情报来操作。 |
| 6 | We have declining birth rates everywhere. | 我们的出生率到处都在下降。 |
| 7 | We have populations getting older and sicker | 我们的人口越来越老 病了 |
| 8 | and just more medically complex. | 更复杂的医疗。 |
| 9 | We're not adding net new clinicians quickly enough. | 我们没有很快地增加新的临床医生 |
| 10 | So those are the realities that we face. | 这就是我们面临的现实。 |
| 11 | AI is now hireable. | 大赦国际现在可以雇用。 |
| 12 | Because it can do work, you can hire it. | 因为它可以工作, 你可以雇用它。 |
| 13 | And so this isn't like a software system | 所以这不像一个软件系统 |
| 14 | that you have to go buy a license for. | 你得去买驾照 |
| 15 | It has to be thought of as somebody who's on payroll. | 它必须被认为是一个在发薪的人。 |
| 16 | Hi everybody, I'm Christina Fah. | 大家好,我是克里斯蒂娜・法 |
| 17 | I'm the founder of Second Opinion | 我是第二意见的创始人 |
| 18 | and we are so appreciative | 我们非常感激 |
| 19 | that you would tune in with us to this podcast. | 你会和我们一起听播客的节目 |
| 20 | One small thing you can do that means the world to us | 你能做的一件小事 对我们来说意味着世界 |
| 21 | is to just hit that subscribe button. | 就是按下订阅按钮 |
| 22 | We'd also love to hear from you | 我们也很想听到你的声音 |
| 23 | about what you liked about the show, | 关于你喜欢的节目, |
| 24 | what you didn't like about the show. | 你不喜欢的节目。 |
| 25 | What do you think of the guests | 你觉得客人怎么样? |
| 26 | and who should we have on next? | 下一个是谁? |
| 27 | Hi everybody, welcome to Life Is. | 大家好,欢迎光临生活之旅 |
| 28 | I am here with Kimberly Powell from NVIDIA | 我在这里与金伯利鲍威尔 从NVIDIA |
| 29 | who is very much an ideal Life Is guest | 他是一个非常理想的生活 是客人 |
| 30 | because she's been with NVIDIA such a long time. | 因为她和NVIDIA在一起很久了 |
| 31 | How many years has it been now Kimberly? | 金伯利已经多少年了? |
| 32 | Oh, you have to ask 18 wonderful years. | 哦,你得问18个美好的年头 |
| 33 | 18, wow, okay. | 18,哇,没关系。 |
| 34 | So there's so much to talk to you about today | 所以今天有很多事要跟你说 |
| 35 | but I've got to hear the story | 但我必须听到这个故事 |
| 36 | and I know you shared it before | 我知道你以前分享过 |
| 37 | but I love the story of how you first ended up at NVIDIA | 我喜欢你第一次在NVIDIA的故事 |
| 38 | and at the time you had been working | 在你工作的时候 |
| 39 | in the more the medical device and imaging space. | 医疗设备和成像空间越多 |
| 40 | So tell us about how you learned about the company | 跟我们说说你是怎么认识公司的 |
| 41 | and then how did you get the job? | 那你是怎么得到这份工作的? |
| 42 | Yeah, thank you for having me, Christina. | 谢谢你邀请我 克里斯蒂娜 |
| 43 | I love your podcast and it's an honor | 我爱你的播客,我很荣幸 |
| 44 | to be able to share this story, it's really fun. | 为了能分享这个故事,这真的很有趣。 |
| 45 | I was working as you described for a 60 person | 我在为60个人工作 |
| 46 | small little startup in the Boston area | 波士顿地区的小小启动 |
| 47 | and we were taking radiology from an analog film | 我们用模拟电影的放射学 |
| 48 | based practice into a digital world. | 基于实践,进入数字世界。 |
| 49 | And actually at that time, | 实际上,当时, |
| 50 | this company was building their own graphics cards | 这家公司正在制作自己的图形卡 |
| 51 | and we were working on these new systems | 我们一直在研究这些新的系统 |
| 52 | and I moved from not only being an engineer at the company | 我不仅在公司当工程师 |
| 53 | but I had this wonderful experience as an engineer | 但我作为一名工程师 有过如此美妙的经历 |
| 54 | to enter into our demo room | 进入我们的演示室 |
| 55 | and actually see a radiologist interact | 并看到放射科医生互动 |
| 56 | with the systems we were building. | 和我们建造的系统。 |
| 57 | And this radiologist just sort of described and said | 而这位放射学家只是 某种描述和说 |
| 58 | in his own words that I don't know if I would see this | 用他自己的话,我不知道 我会看到这一点 |
| 59 | or see this this clearly without this technology. | 或看清楚这一点 没有这种技术。 |
| 60 | And it was this moment that kind of caught me to say, | 而正是这一刻 让我觉得 |
| 61 | I'll never be a doctor. | 我永远不会成为一名医生。 |
| 62 | I admire what healthcare professionals do every single day. | 我钦佩医护人员每天做的事 |
| 63 | We're all patients at the end of the day | 我们都是病人 |
| 64 | and I admire them. | 我欣赏他们。 |
| 65 | How could I use my engineering background | 我怎么会用我的工程背景 |
| 66 | and technology to serve them? | 和科技服务他们? |
| 67 | And so with that sort of experience | 这样的经验 |
| 68 | of seeing the real world impact of what technology can do | 技术能对现实世界的影响 |
| 69 | is where I sort of took the leap | 是我跳跃的地方 |
| 70 | into more of a product-based role | 发挥更多基于产品的作用 |
| 71 | where now it was sort of up to my responsibility to say, | 现在我有责任说 |
| 72 | what are we building and why? | 我们在建什么? |
| 73 | And that was the moment I said, | 那一刻我说, |
| 74 | why are we building graphics cards? | 我们为什么要建显卡? |
| 75 | There's these companies out in Silicon Valley | 硅谷有这些公司 |
| 76 | that are doing it with thousands of engineers. | 和成千上万的工程师一起工作 |
| 77 | And I could see through my technical background | 我从我的技术背景看得出 |
| 78 | that if we asked Nvidia to make a few changes | 如果我们要求Nvidia做一些改变 |
| 79 | to their platform, we could use it | 到他们的平台 我们可以用它 |
| 80 | for this medical application. | 医疗申请 |
| 81 | And so called up Nvidia, got ahold of a gentleman. | 所以叫恩维迪亚 找了位绅士 |
| 82 | He's still here. | 他还在这里 |
| 83 | Ian Williams 我那天刚看到他 | |
| 84 | as a field application engineer. | 担任战地应用工程师. |
| 85 | And described what I was trying to do | 并描述我试图做的事情 |
| 86 | and asked if they'd be willing to make these changes | 问他们是否愿意做出这些改变 |
| 87 | in the product. | 在产品。 |
| 88 | And in fact, they said, yes, of course we'd love to. | 事实上,他们说,是的,我们当然愿意。 |
| 89 | This is a really important area of work. | 这是一个非常重要的工作领域。 |
| 90 | And if we can be a contributor to it, we would love to. | 如果我们能够为此作出贡献,我们愿意这样做。 |
| 91 | And it just, that's how I met the company. | 我就是这样认识公司的 |
| 92 | And it was about six or so months later | 大约六个月后 |
| 93 | that Nvidia was really coming to understand | 恩维迪亚真的开始明白 |
| 94 | that they were evolving from a gaming company | 他们正在从一个游戏公司进化 |
| 95 | and a professional graphics company | 和一家专业的图形公司 |
| 96 | into an accelerated computing company. | 进入一个加速计算公司。 |
| 97 | And there was some early signals | 并有一些早期信号 |
| 98 | that radiologists or scientists around the world | 全世界放射学家或科学家 |
| 99 | were trying to use Nvidia's technology | 试图利用Nvidia的技术 |
| 100 | for healthcare applications. | 医疗申请。 |
| 101 | And so we wanted to really discover | 所以我们想真正发现 |
| 102 | what were those applications. | 这些申请是什么? |
| 103 | So they called me up and they said, | 他们打电话给我说, |
| 104 | hey, we've built something. | 嘿 我们造了些东西 |
| 105 | It's accelerated computing platform. | 是加速计算平台. |
| 106 | There's researchers in the healthcare industry | 医疗行业有研究人员 |
| 107 | trying to take advantage of it. | 试图利用它。 |
| 108 | It's hard. | 难曰. |
| 109 | We need to go discover what's hard, | 我们需要去发现什么是困难, |
| 110 | what they wanna do with it | 他们想拿它做什么 |
| 111 | and see if we can make a bigger contribution. | 看看我们能否做出更大的贡献 |
| 112 | Would you like to do that for us? | 你想帮我们吗? |
| 113 | And I said, this is a dream come true. | 我说,这是一个梦想成真。 |
| 114 | And so the rest is history, I guess. | 剩下的是历史,我想。 |
| 115 | That was back in April of 2008. | 那时是2008年4月。 |
| 116 | And when you joined, | 当你加入, |
| 117 | roughly how many people were even at the company back then? | 大约有多少人 甚至当时在公司? |
| 118 | I wanna say it was probably between 1,500 and 2,000, | 我想说大概在1500到2000之间 |
| 119 | somewhere in that ballpark. | 在球场的某个地方 |
| 120 | Just given how big the company has gotten. | 公司规模太大了 |
| 121 | So you must have thought, | 所以,你一定认为, |
| 122 | okay, there is definitely potential here in healthcare, | 好吧,这里绝对有 潜在的医疗保健, |
| 123 | but they're not really an established player yet. | 但他们还不是个成熟的球员 |
| 124 | So what was your first couple of years like in the job | 你头几年的工作是什么? |
| 125 | when nowadays, I'm sure if you're like, | 当现在,我敢肯定,如果你喜欢, |
| 126 | hey, I'm Kimberly from Nvidia, | 嘿,我是金伯利 从恩维迪亚, |
| 127 | people are like, cool, let's chat. | 人们喜欢,酷,让我们聊天。 |
| 128 | But back then, what was it like | 但那时,它是什么样子 |
| 129 | trying to infiltrate the healthcare sector, | 试图渗透到医疗部门, |
| 130 | which can be notoriously difficult with newcomers, | 对新来的人来说,这很困难, |
| 131 | especially from the technology industry? | 特别是技术行业? |
| 132 | Yeah, it was not as hard as it might seem, | 是啊,没有看起来那么难, |
| 133 | partially because there was, in the radiology world, | 部分原因是,在放射学界, |
| 134 | it was digitizing and radiology | 是数字化和放射学 |
| 135 | and diagnostic imaging companies like GE Healthcare, | 以及GE保健等诊断成像公司, |
| 136 | which was the first partner that I called | 我打给第一个搭档 |
| 137 | when I joined Nvidia, | 当我加入恩维迪亚时 |
| 138 | was leveraging our technology | 利用我们的技术 |
| 139 | to do what's called image reconstruction. | 做所谓的图像重建。 |
| 140 | And so this is essentially using a lot of complicated math | 所以,这基本上是使用 很多复杂的数学 |
| 141 | to take the sensor information | 获取传感器信息 |
| 142 | that's coming from X-ray or CT or MR or ultrasound | 从X光或CT或MR或超声波传来 |
| 143 | and turn that sensor information | 并打开传感器信息 |
| 144 | into what they call anatomical images, right? | 他们称之为解剖图像,对吧? |
| 145 | Something that a human can understand | 人类能理解的东西 |
| 146 | of what the anatomy looks like. | 解剖学的长相 |
| 147 | And so this complicated math, | 所以这个复杂的数学, |
| 148 | and we built this new accelerated computing platform | 我们建造了这个新的加速计算平台 |
| 149 | and this way to program a GPU with a language | 并以此方式为 GPU 编程语言 |
| 150 | 或者一个API,我们叫CUDA。 | |
| 151 | And so it was a challenge in that the math | 因此,这是一个挑战 数学 |
| 152 | and the mapping of the math to the GPU | 和将数学映射到 GPU |
| 153 | was still in its infancy. | 还处于婴儿期。 |
| 154 | CUDA was in its early, early days. | CUDA在它的早期,早期. |
| 155 | And so that was challenging, but the need was there. | 因此,这具有挑战性,但需要存在。 |
| 156 | And so that was somewhat, if you will, a niche application, | 所以,如果你愿意的话,这是一个特殊应用, |
| 157 | but actually not really. | 但实际上不是真的。 |
| 158 | What the company came to understand is, | 公司终于明白 |
| 159 | because other industries were trying to do the same things, | 因为其他的产业 试图做同样的事情, |
| 160 | if you think about taking a CT of a patient, | 如果你想拿一个病人的CT, |
| 161 | it's kind of the same thing you do | 你也是一样 |
| 162 | when you're looking for oil in the earth | 当你在地球上寻找石油时 |
| 163 | and doing oil and gas exploration. | 并进行石油和天然气勘探。 |
| 164 | So we were actually helping to build new math libraries | 因此,我们实际上帮助 新建数学库 |
| 165 | that had applicability in healthcare, | 适用于医疗保健, |
| 166 | but it also had applicability in these other industries. | 但它也适用于其他行业。 |
| 167 | And that was a really cool experience too. | 这也是个很酷的经历。 |
| 168 | And it's really how NVIDIA has operated | 这才是NVIDIA的操作方式 |
| 169 | over the last 20 years is, | 在过去20年里, |
| 170 | what's happening in these different areas | 这些不同领域发生的事情 |
| 171 | and how can we apply it into healthcare? | 我们如何将它应用于医疗保健? |
| 172 | And so I think it wasn't as challenging as it seemed. | 所以我觉得它没有看起来那么有挑战性 |
| 173 | There was early adopters and it helped us build, | 有早期的收养者 它帮助我们建设, |
| 174 | because we were tackling some challenging problems, | 因为我们在处理一些挑战性的问题, |
| 175 | it helped us build the next generation of NVIDIA | 它帮助我们建造下一代NVIDIA |
| 176 | that had applicability in a lot of other industries. | 这适用于许多其他行业。 |
| 177 | So it's really kind of wild when you can | 所以,这真的有点野 当你可以 |
| 178 | look what's happening over here in self-driving cars | 看这车里发生什么了 |
| 179 | and say, well, a self-driving car and a surgical robot | 并说,好吧,一个自驾车和一个手术机器人 |
| 180 | are actually quite similar. | 事实上,是相当相似的。 |
| 181 | How can we take everything we've done in the car industry | 我们怎样才能把汽车行业的一切 都拿走 |
| 182 | and apply it over into surgical robotics? | 并应用到手术机器人? |
| 183 | And so that's kind of what we do every single day | 所以这就是我们每天做的 |
| 184 | is take the most important technological breakthroughs | 获得最重要的技术突破 |
| 185 | of our lifetime right now, | 我们的一生,现在, |
| 186 | and how do we make it more approachable | 我们如何使它更接近 |
| 187 | to the healthcare industry? | 对医疗行业? |
| 188 | So we're not a healthcare company, right? | 所以我们不是一家保健公司,对吧? |
| 189 | We're not trying to be a healthcare company, | 我们不想成为一家医疗公司 |
| 190 | but we are building a lot of tools | 但我们在造很多工具 |
| 191 | and computational platforms | 和计算平台 |
| 192 | that can help healthcare companies achieve new things. | 帮助医疗公司实现新目标 |
| 193 | And that's really what our mission statement is. | 这就是我们的任务说明 |
| 194 | How do we take all these amazing technological breakthroughs | 我们如何取得这些惊人的技术突破 |
| 195 | and make it more approachable and accelerate its utility | * 使其更便于接触并加快其效用 |
| 196 | inside these different healthcare domains? | 这些不同的医疗领域? |
| 197 | Yeah, I think it's an interesting example | 是啊,我觉得这是一个有趣的例子 |
| 198 | with self-driving and you see this example | 以自驾车为例 |
| 199 | getting made a lot with the surgical space | 在手术室里赚了很多钱 |
| 200 | where we're talking about using AI and robotics | 我们在谈论使用人工智能和机器人 |
| 201 | to guide surgical processes. | 指导外科手术。 |
| 202 | And then we're also talking about it | 然后我们也在谈论它 |
| 203 | in the broader care delivery concept | 在更广泛的护理提供概念中 |
| 204 | of how autonomous do we see these tools becoming? | 我们如何自主地看待这些工具? |
| 205 | And I think there are lots of schools of thought on this. | 我认为有很多关于这个的学派。 |
| 206 | We've seen prominent VCs come out and say, | 我们看到著名的越共出来说 |
| 207 | we're gonna replace physicians, that this is inevitable. | 我们要替换医生, 这是不可避免的。 |
| 208 | And maybe it's not gonna happen on the timeline. | 也许这不会发生在时间上 |
| 209 | It's Vinod Khosla, if you remember that. | 这是维诺德·霍斯拉,如果你记得。 |
| 210 | It's not gonna happen on that timeline, | 在那个时间线上不可能发生 |
| 211 | but he still maintains that that is the path | 但是他仍然坚持道 |
| 212 | that we're going down, similar to self-driving cars. | 和自驾车差不多 |
| 213 | Or if we wanna achieve the real safety gains, | 或者,如果我们想要实现真正的安全收益, |
| 214 | at some point it's just gonna be the technology, right? | 某个时候,它只是要去 技术,对不对? |
| 215 | And not the human beings | 而不是人类 |
| 216 | that are prone to making mistakes. | 容易犯错。 |
| 217 | With medicine, it's obviously complicated. | 药物显然很复杂 |
| 218 | There may be some areas, | 可能有些领域, |
| 219 | and especially you mentioned radiology, | 特别是你提到的放射学 |
| 220 | areas like pathology where aspects of the job get replaced. | 诸如病理学 工作的各个方面被替换。 |
| 221 | But it's just hard for me to imagine | 但我很难想象 |
| 222 | if somebody who's been in the industry a long time, | 如果某个长期从事这个行业的人 |
| 223 | that we are going down this path | 我们要沿着这条路走 |
| 224 | of fully ripping out and replacing physicians. | 完全撕裂和替换医生。 |
| 225 | So what's your school of thought on this, Kimberly? | 你对此有什么想法,金伯利? |
| 226 | Especially as you've looked at areas like surgery, | 特别是当你看 像手术一样的地区, |
| 227 | you've also looked all the way through to that, | 你也一直想着这个 |
| 228 | through to things like the partnership | 通向诸如伙伴关系之类的东西 |
| 229 | that you have with a bridge, | 你们有一座桥, |
| 230 | which is more about supporting physicians with documentation. | 这更需要用文件支持医生。 |
| 231 | So where do you view things going | 所以,你在哪里看到的东西去 |
| 232 | in terms of this idea of augmentation | 关于这种增强的想法 |
| 233 | versus wholesale replacement? | 与批发替代? |
| 234 | Yeah, I think Jensen says it really well, | 是啊,我觉得詹森说得很好, |
| 235 | and so I'll kind of describe it in the way he does, | 所以我会用他的方式描述一下 |
| 236 | because it's super approachable, | 因为它是超易接近的, |
| 237 | is a radiologist, for example, | 例如,是放射学家, |
| 238 | is trained to help diagnose patients | 接受过帮助诊断病人的培训 |
| 239 | and figure out what is the next critical path | 并找出下一步的关键路径 |
| 240 | for them to get well. | 让他们康复 |
| 241 | What AI and radiology has done | AI和放射学所做的 |
| 242 | is maybe it's automated a particular task | 也许它是一个特殊的任务自动化 |
| 243 | of being able to find the anomaly in an image or segmented, | 能够从图像中找到异常点或分块, |
| 244 | but the task is not the job, okay? | 但任务不是工作,好吗? |
| 245 | So that's one way to think about this. | 所以这是一种思考方法。 |
| 246 | The other way to think that we think about this | 另一种方式认为我们想这个 |
| 247 | is with the more we're deploying AI, | 随着我们部署AI, |
| 248 | the more it's increasing the need for healthcare services. | 越是增加了对医疗服务的需求。 |
| 249 | And we're in a global crisis right now | 我们现在陷入全球危机 |
| 250 | with aging population, with managing chronic disease, | 老年人口, 管理慢性病, |
| 251 | with a huge healthcare professional shortage. | 医疗专业严重短缺 |
| 252 | We're in that mode right now, | 我们现在在那个模式下 |
| 253 | nevermind what the next five years looks like, | 未来五年的模样, |
| 254 | and the fact that by using AI systems, | 并且通过使用人工智能系统, |
| 255 | we're discovering more things we can fix | 我们发现更多的东西 我们可以修复 |
| 256 | and we'll need more healthcare services. | 我们需要更多的医疗服务。 |
| 257 | So we're actually exacerbating the need | ┮и痷璶 |
| 258 | for healthcare professionals. | 保健专业人员。 |
| 259 | So in my mind, there's a huge amount of work | 所以在我脑海中 有大量的工作 |
| 260 | that is going to be coming. | 即将来临 |
| 261 | And the only way that we can sort of meet this pent up | 只有这样我们才能碰上这顶笔 |
| 262 | and growing demand is through automation. | 需求的增长是通过自动化实现的。 |
| 263 | So that's one way to think about it. | 所以,这是一种思考方法。 |
| 264 | I also think that, as you said, | 我也认为,正如你说的, |
| 265 | a bridge and open evidence and working | 桥梁和公开证据和工作 |
| 266 | with these digital health companies | 与这些数字保健公司 |
| 267 | who are being super thoughtful | 谁是超深思熟虑 |
| 268 | of the day in the life of a clinician. | 在临床医生的生活中的日子。 |
| 269 | And how can we take away any of the mundane, | 我们怎样才能夺走一切 |
| 270 | administrative, annoying, time-consuming aspects of the job | 行政、烦人、耗时的工作 |
| 271 | and open up their whole physical being, | 打开他们的身体, |
| 272 | their mental capacity, the trade and the experience | 精神能力、行业和经验 |
| 273 | that they've built over the many years | 他们多年来建造了 |
| 274 | and operate at the top of their license | 在他们的执照顶端运作 |
| 275 | in service of the patient. | 为病人服务。 |
| 276 | And it's not in service of making sure | 也无济于事 |
| 277 | that the billing is correct | 账单正确 |
| 278 | or the revenue is getting to the hospital | 或收入得到医院 |
| 279 | in the appropriate amount of time. | 在适当时间内。 |
| 280 | And so this is where we are creating a whole new experience. | 这就是我们创造全新的经验的地方。 |
| 281 | And I think that as many of us, | 我认为,我们许多人, |
| 282 | even in the best parts of the world, | 即使在世界上最好的地区, |
| 283 | the clinician experience is very challenging | 临床医生的经验非常困难 |
| 284 | and we have very high burnout. | 我们有很高的燃烧。 |
| 285 | The patient experience also suffers because of that. | 病人的经历也因此受到影响。 |
| 286 | We either don't have enough clinicians | 我们要么没有足够的临床医生 |
| 287 | or the time they can spend with us is so few | 或者他们能和我们在一起的时间太少了 |
| 288 | that this is an opportunity to put digital | 这是把数字化的机会 |
| 289 | and AI systems and agentic systems to work | 人工智能系统和代理系统 |
| 290 | so that complete new experiences | 因此,全新的经验 |
| 291 | and maybe the way you imagine how medicine should operate | 可能你想象的药物如何运作 |
| 292 | can get back to operating that way. | 可以回到那样的操作。 |
| 293 | 还有OpenEvience和Abridge和Heidi Health等公司 | |
| 294 | I mean, they're all over the world | 我的意思是,他们遍布全世界 |
| 295 | are taking advantage of something that might sound simple | 利用一些简单的东西 |
| 296 | and that is voice as essentially becoming | 声音就像从本质上 |
| 297 | the new interface of healthcare. | 新的保健界面。 |
| 298 | You know, the first thing you do, | 你知道,第一件事,你这样做, |
| 299 | even when you're not feeling well | 即使你感觉不舒服 |
| 300 | or you're just trying to take care of yourself | 或者你只是想照顾自己 |
| 301 | is you're talking to somebody in the healthcare world. | 你在跟医疗界的人说话 |
| 302 | And so being able to use that voice | 所以能用那个声音 |
| 303 | to then automate or make a journey more navigate, | 然后自动化 或让旅程更通航, |
| 304 | you can navigate it more easily, you can understand it. | 你可以更容易地导航它,你可以理解它。 |
| 305 | It's, you know, everything is cued up about you | 这,你知道,一切 提示关于你 |
| 306 | into your doctor's potential phone | 进入你医生的手机 |
| 307 | because, you know, an agent was working in the background | 因为,你知道,一个特工 在背景工作 |
| 308 | pulling all of your medical history | 把你的病史都查出来 |
| 309 | and then knows what you're coming in here for | 然后知道你来这干什么 |
| 310 | {\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}而且真的可以到底部来 | |
| 311 | of anything that you're trying to solve. | 你试图解决的一切。 |
| 312 | I mean, these are experiences that are well within reach | 我的意思是,这些经验是完全可以实现的 |
| 313 | that by working with these incredibly innovative companies | 与这些令人难以置信的创新公司合作 |
| 314 | who really understand, you know, the crux of the problem | 谁真正理解, 你知道,问题的关键 |
| 315 | that, you know, this is domain specific stuff. | 你知道,这是特定领域的东西。 |
| 316 | It is complicated, but we now have technology | 这很复杂,但我们有技术 |
| 317 | {\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}我们可以适应这种复杂情况 | |
| 318 | and create completely new experiences. | 创造全新的体验 |
| 319 | And I'll take you with me on the ride | 我带你去兜风 |
| 320 | of what do I also imagine, you know, | 我还能想象什么,你知道, |
| 321 | the inside of the walls of hospitals | 医院的墙壁内部 |
| 322 | to look like in the future. | 将来的样子。 |
| 323 | To your point that surgical robotics and having, you know, | 就你而言 手术机器人和有,你知道, |
| 324 | right now we're in robotic assisted surgery | 我们现在在机器人辅助手术 |
| 325 | and it's very helpful and it has incredible clinical outcomes. | 它很有帮助 并且有不可思议的临床结果 |
| 326 | And we will continue to be on this journey | 我们将继续踏上这个旅程 |
| 327 | for decades to come to improve new, you know, | 未来数十年 改善新的,你知道, |
| 328 | surgical procedures that will be accomplished through robotics. | 手术程序将通过机器人完成。 |
| 329 | But think about how the hospital itself should be a robot. | 但想想医院本身应该如何成为机器人. |
| 330 | The hospital itself should have eyes and ears | 医院本身应该有眼睛和耳朵 |
| 331 | sensing everything that's going on | 感知一切发生 |
| 332 | and using the modern world foundation models | 利用现代世界基础模型 |
| 333 | and spatial intelligence to operate hospitals. | 和空间情报 运行医院。 |
| 334 | So you'll, you know, the hospital itself will be a robot. | 所以,你知道,医院本身会是一个机器人。 |
| 335 | There will be, you know, dozens and dozens of robots | 会有几十个机器人 |
| 336 | that are running around the walls of the hospital | 在医院的墙上奔跑 |
| 337 | to make sure the patient has their medication on time | 确保病人按时服药 |
| 338 | or deliver the surgical tools | 或提供手术工具 |
| 339 | to the operating room exactly on time | 准时赶到手术室 |
| 340 | so that the procedure can start. | 以便启动程序。 |
| 341 | And again, here it's all about efficiency. | 再说一遍,这是效率问题。 |
| 342 | And again, you want the patient to be under anesthesia | 再说一次,你想让病人麻醉 |
| 343 | the shortest amount of time. | 最短的时间。 |
| 344 | Let's make sure anything that happens before the procedure | 在手术前先确认一下情况 |
| 345 | and after the procedure helps facilitate that. | 并且经过程序后有助于做到这一点。 |
| 346 | So this is coming through now a physical AI world | 所以,这是通过 现在一个物理AI世界 |
| 347 | where spatial intelligence married with robotics | 空间情报与机器人结婚 |
| 348 | can allow for yet another level of automation. | 可以实现另一个自动化水平。 |
| 349 | So again, nurses who've dedicated their life | 再说一次,那些奉献生命的护士 |
| 350 | to the practice, they aren't delivering sheets | 练习,他们不送床单 |
| 351 | to an empty bed. | 到一张空床。 |
| 352 | Instead they're having that, you know, | 相反,他们有,你知道, |
| 353 | bedside time with a patient, you know, | 和病人睡觉的时间,你知道, |
| 354 | helping them get well as fast as possible. | 帮助他们尽快康复 |
| 355 | I think that's the future that we're gonna see here | 我想这就是我们会看到的未来 |
| 356 | not too far out. | 别太远 |
| 357 | Wow, that's amazing. | 哇,这是惊人的。 |
| 358 | Hey everyone, we'll get right back to the conversation | 大家好,我们马上回话 |
| 359 | after a word from our sponsors. | 我们的赞助商说了一句话之后 |
| 360 | If you've been following the show, | 如果你一直跟着演出 |
| 361 | you know that I've been using Granola for about a year now. | 你知道我已经用格拉诺拉一年了 |
| 362 | And if you are anything like me | 如果你像我一样 |
| 363 | juggling back to back meetings, | 串连到后面的会议, |
| 364 | you know how hard it can be to be present. | 你知道存在有多难 |
| 365 | You're in one call, you're trying to actively listen, | 你是在一个电话, 你试图积极听, |
| 366 | but another part of your brain is still in the last one | 但你大脑的另一部分还在最后的 |
| 367 | and another part is jumping ahead. | 另一部分正在向前跳动。 |
| 368 | Granola changes that. | 格拉诺拉改变了这一点。 |
| 369 | It's an AI notepad that securely transcribes | 这是一个AI的便笺 安全地转录 |
| 370 | what's happening in the background. | 正在发生什么 在背景。 |
| 371 | So I don't have to choose between taking notes | 所以我不用在笔记之间做出选择 |
| 372 | and actually listening. | 而实际上听。 |
| 373 | The notes it produces are structured and clean | 其制作的笔记结构整洁 |
| 374 | and I walk out knowing and being able to tell my team | 我走出去知道 并且能够告诉我的团队 |
| 375 | what the context was, what was decided, who's doing what | 什么背景是什么,什么是决定, 谁在做什么 |
| 376 | and what are the follow-ups from that meeting. | 以及那次会议的后续行动。 |
| 377 | So if meeting's reading up your day, | 所以,如果会议 读你的一天, |
| 378 | Granola is a no-brainer and you can try it out totally free. | Granola是个没有头脑的人 你可以完全自由地试试 |
| 379 | 去Granola.ai的刀锋救生员那里 | |
| 380 | That's granola.ai slash lifers to get your time back. | 这是Granola.ai的刀锋 来恢复你的时间。 |
| 381 | Try it out for free at granola.ai slash lifers. | 在Granola.ai的刀具处免费试一下 |
| 382 | Four years, the most discerning people | 四年,最有辨识力的人 |
| 383 | have quietly kept two healthcare lives. | 悄悄地维持了两个保健生活。 |
| 384 | There's the traditional doctor they see | 有个传统医生 |
| 385 | when something is wrong and the holistic world | 当事物出错时 和整体的世界 |
| 386 | they actually believe in for everything else. | 他们相信其他一切 |
| 387 | Two sets of advice that rarely speak to each other. | 两套建议,很少相互交谈。 |
| 388 | Baker Health ends that double life. | 贝克健康结束了双重生活。 |
| 389 | You no longer have to choose between your real doctor | 你再也不用在真正的医生中做出选择了 |
| 390 | and your holistic one because at Baker Health, | 和你的整体 因为贝克健康, |
| 391 | they are the same person. | 他们是同一个人。 |
| 392 | This is longevity rooted in science | 这是根植于科学的长寿 |
| 393 | where rigorous evidence-based medicine | 严格循证医学 |
| 394 | and genuine holistic care finally sit under one roof. | 真正的全方位关怀终于坐到一个屋檐下 |
| 395 | Your doctor runs your labs on site, | 你的医生在现场管理你的实验室 |
| 396 | walks you through every result | 将每个结果带给你 |
| 397 | and is just as likely to send you down the hall | 也有可能把你送进大厅 |
| 398 | to the studio for yoga or meditation | 到工作室进行瑜伽或冥想 |
| 399 | as to write you a prescription. | 给您开个处方 |
| 400 | Nutritionists and therapists work right beside them | 营养学家和治疗师在他们身边工作 |
| 401 | and the technology is unlike anything else in medicine. | 技术与医学上的其他东西不同 |
| 402 | Your doctor, your labs, your results | 你的医生,你的实验室,你的结果 |
| 403 | and your same day reservations all live in a single app. | 和你的同一天的预订 都生活在一个应用程序。 |
| 404 | Text that doctor at any hour and hear back in minutes | 随时给医生发短信 几分钟后再听 |
| 405 | through the only 24-7 live synchronous chat, | 通过唯一的24-7直播同步聊天, |
| 406 | settling most small worries right there | 解决最小的烦恼 |
| 407 | without an unnecessary visit. | 没有不必要的访问。 |
| 408 | A real doctor always in your pocket. | 一个真正的医生总是在你口袋里。 |
| 409 | The proof is in how people feel about it. | 证据在于人们对此的感受. |
| 410 | Net promoter score of 91, almost unheard of in medicine. | 净推广者得分91分,几乎在医学上闻所未闻. |
| 411 | This is excellence made personal. | 这是优秀的私人。 |
| 412 | Imagine healthcare reimagined. | 想象一下医疗被重新设想。 |
| 413 | Baker Health. | 贝克健康。 |
| 414 | So one of the stories I'll share with our listeners is, | 所以我要和听众分享的故事之一是 |
| 415 | so for this podcast, | 对于这个播客, |
| 416 | I actually reached out to Jensen directly | 我其实直接联系了Jensen |
| 417 | because I don't know if he told you this, | 因为我不知道他有没有告诉你 |
| 418 | but I met him a number of years ago at an event | 但我几年前在一次活动中见过他 |
| 419 | in San Francisco, it was a conference | 在旧金山,这是一个会议 |
| 420 | and we spent a really fun dinner | 我们花了一个非常有趣的晚餐 |
| 421 | with a group talking a lot about healthcare | 和一群人聊了很多关于医疗的事 |
| 422 | and he expressed a lot of passion, | 并表达了大量的激情, |
| 423 | enthusiasm for the sector, | 对该部门的热情, |
| 424 | but this was before a lot of the AI rush. | 但这是之前 很多AI的匆忙。 |
| 425 | It was like in 2022, I believe. | 就像2022年一样 |
| 426 | So he's certainly an important CEO in the room, | 所以他肯定是这个房间的重要首席执行官 |
| 427 | but it wasn't, well, nobody was really talking about AI | 但它不是,嗯, 没有人真正谈论AI |
| 428 | all that much at that moment in time. | 在那个时刻,这么多。 |
| 429 | And I think I may have given him | 我想我可能已经给了他 |
| 430 | one of his first Uber rides home. | 他的第一个Uber骑车回家。 |
| 431 | Another fun thing about that story | 还有一件有趣的事 |
| 432 | is the Uber driver asked if he should buy Nvidia stock. | 是Uber司机问他是否应该买Nvidia股票 |
| 433 | And I think about this guy all the time. | 我总是想着这个家伙 |
| 434 | Imagine asking that question back in 2020. | 想象一下在2020年再问这个问题。 |
| 435 | He's probably living on an island somewhere, | 他可能住在某个岛上 |
| 436 | which I'm really happy. | 我真的很开心 |
| 437 | But I think often of that time, | 但我经常想到那个时候 |
| 438 | because we must have spent two hours | 因为我们肯定花了两个小时 |
| 439 | just talking about healthcare and all the potential. | 说到医疗保健和所有潜力 |
| 440 | And I didn't see it then with AI, like I see it now. | 我当时没有看到它与AI, 就像我现在看到它。 |
| 441 | And I'm wondering if you can comment just on, | 我想知道你能不能评论一下 |
| 442 | from your perspective, how important AI is | 从你的角度来说,AI有多重要 |
| 443 | to the company today when you've got, | 今天你到公司的时候 |
| 444 | or health, sorry, how important is healthcare | 或健康,对不起, 保健有多重要 |
| 445 | to the company today when you've so much potential across, | 今天,当你有这么多的潜力, |
| 446 | you must be getting polls across every industry out there. | 你一定是遍及所有行业的民调 |
| 447 | So how important is healthcare given | 因此,医疗的重要性 |
| 448 | just all the vast potential to be doing so much right now? | 如此巨大的潜力吗? |
| 449 | Yeah, I think as you described, | 是的,我想像你描述的那样, |
| 450 | Jensen has been passionate about the healthcare industry | Jensen一直热衷于医疗行业 |
| 451 | going back 20 plus years. | 回到20多年前 |
| 452 | And that was really, I think, fueled by seeing | 我觉得,这是真的,因为看到 |
| 453 | just researchers who had dreams and aspirations | 只有研究者有梦想和愿望 |
| 454 | to do something very, very meaningful and impactful | 做一些非常,非常有意义和有影响的事情 |
| 455 | in the healthcare domain, | 在保健领域, |
| 456 | and us potentially having the tools to do it, | 而我们可能拥有 这样做的工具, |
| 457 | to achieve that goal. | 实现这一目标。 |
| 458 | Some researchers have said things like, | 有些研究者说, |
| 459 | I will actually be able to get my life's work done | 其实我可以完成我一生的工作 |
| 460 | in my lifetime because the accelerated computing platform | 因为加速计算平台 |
| 461 | that NVIDIA created, and now, of course, | 当然,现在, |
| 462 | artificial intelligence can really just accelerate | 人工智能真的可以加速 |
| 463 | what people are thinking about. | 人们在想什么。 |
| 464 | And early on, it also is the case, | 早期,情况也是这样 |
| 465 | as I talked about that image reconstruction, | 当我谈到那个图像重建, |
| 466 | early application and use of NVIDIA technology, | 早期应用和使用NVIDIA技术, |
| 467 | when you tackle really hard problems, | 当你处理非常困难的问题, |
| 468 | it teaches you what your platform | 它教你的纲领 |
| 469 | or your products aren't good at yet, | 或者你的产品还不行 |
| 470 | and it helps you see the future. | 它帮助你看到未来。 |
| 471 | If you're kind of just tackling the easy stuff, | 如果你只是处理容易的事情 |
| 472 | you're not evolving what you're building. | 你没有进化你正在建设的东西。 |
| 473 | And when you can evolve what you're building, | 当你可以进化你正在建设的东西, |
| 474 | you can apply it in so many different areas. | 可以应用到很多不同的领域。 |
| 475 | And so I think one, whenever NVIDIA goes to think | 所以我想,每当NVIDIA去思考 |
| 476 | about working in a particular area, | 在某一特定领域工作, |
| 477 | we often ask ourselves three questions. | 我们常常问自己三个问题。 |
| 478 | Is it really, really hard? | 真的很难吗? |
| 479 | Because if it's easy, let's let somebody else go do it. | 因为如果很简单,让我们让别人去。 |
| 480 | We have world-class engineers that wanna work | 我们有世界一流的工程师想要工作 |
| 481 | on really, really hard problems | 非常非常困难的问题 |
| 482 | because they have the talent to do so. | 因为他们有这样做的天赋。 |
| 483 | The other is, does it have an incredible impact? | 另一个是,它有 不可思议的影响吗? |
| 484 | And in healthcare, that's an easy one, right? | 在医疗方面,那很简单,对吧? |
| 485 | Of course it has an impact. | 当然有影响。 |
| 486 | It has an impact on patients. | 对患者有影响. |
| 487 | It has an impact on the medical practice. | 它对医疗实践有影响。 |
| 488 | It's an incredible opportunity. | 这是一个不可思议的机会。 |
| 489 | And the third is, does NVIDIA have | 第三个是,NVIDIA有没有 |
| 490 | some unique capability to serve it? | 某种独特的能力来服务它? |
| 491 | And so that's when I describe all of the things | 所以,这就是当我描述所有的事情 |
| 492 | that NVIDIA does, our general robotics work, | NVIDIA做的, 我们一般的机器人工作, |
| 493 | our self-driving car work. | 我们的自驾车工作。 |
| 494 | That is unique capabilities that is sort of my job, | 那是我独特的能力 |
| 495 | my team's job to say, how do we take that uniqueness | 我的团队的职责是说, 我们如何对待这种独特性 |
| 496 | and get it into the hands of healthcare? | 把它交给医疗部门? |
| 497 | And then it creates that virtuous cycle | 然后它创造了良性循环 |
| 498 | when you have this unique capability | 当你拥有这种独特的能力 |
| 499 | and they go try to use it and it doesn't quite work right. | 他们去尝试使用它 它不完全工作正确。 |
| 500 | You improve the technology and so it goes, right? | 你改进了技术,所以它去,对不对? |
| 501 | And so we recognize that working on really hard, | 所以,我们承认, 努力工作, |
| 502 | impactful problems with a unique lens | 具有独特镜头的撞击性问题 |
| 503 | on how to take what we've built and apply it, | 如何利用我们建造和运用它, |
| 504 | magical things can happen. | 神奇的事情可能会发生。 |
| 505 | And a lot of the libraries that we built for healthcare | 和很多图书馆 我们建造的医疗保健 |
| 506 | have huge applicability in other areas. | 在其他领域有很大的适用性。 |
| 507 | So we don't really see it as a siloed | 所以,我们不 真正把它视为一个仓储 |
| 508 | or a completely vertical effort. | 或完全纵向努力。 |
| 509 | It's built on a ginormous, if I could use that word, | 它的建筑在一个 gi, 如果我可以使用这个词, |
| 510 | a ginormous contribution of all over NVIDIA. | 整个NVIDIA的巨大贡献。 |
| 511 | So all over NVIDIA is contributing to healthcare | 因此,在全NVIDIA的贡献 医疗保健 |
| 512 | and then healthcare is contributing all over NVIDIA. | 之后,医疗保健在NVIDIA各地都做出了贡献。 |
| 513 | And that's really the beautiful design of the company. | 这是公司最漂亮的设计。 |
| 514 | Yeah, and you said it correctly, | 你说对了 |
| 515 | that healthcare is hard and it's hard for lots of reasons. | 医疗很困难 也有很多原因 |
| 516 | It's hard to access the data, | 很难访问数据, |
| 517 | which is oftentimes extremely siloed. | 这经常是 极度仓卒。 |
| 518 | Things are very inefficient. | 事情非常无效。 |
| 519 | We have lots of middlemen in the industry. | 我们这个行业有很多中间人 |
| 520 | There is inertia and you see entrepreneurs | 有惯性,你看到企业家 |
| 521 | just really struggling in this space | 只是真正挣扎 在这个空间 |
| 522 | more so than in other categories. | 比其他类别还要多 |
| 523 | One example we give a lot in the industry | 举个例子,我们在这个行业做了很多 |
| 524 | 你看着FinTech。 | |
| 525 | We have incredible ways of accessing | 我们有不可思议的方法 访问 |
| 526 | our financial information within seconds, | 我们的财务信息 在秒内, |
| 527 | but in healthcare, it still continues to live | 但是在医疗方面,它仍然活着 |
| 528 | in dozens of different systems | 在数十种不同的系统中 |
| 529 | that each require their own login | 每一个都需要自己的登录 |
| 530 | and information is just not seamlessly shared. | 而信息并非无缝共享。 |
| 531 | So as you think about the potential here, | 所以,当你想到这里的潜力, |
| 532 | and you mentioned AI as one crucial area, | 你提到AI是一个关键领域, |
| 533 | how does the industry need to adapt | 行业需要如何适应 |
| 534 | to be able to make that future that you described possible? | 能实现你说的未来吗? |
| 535 | Which by the way, sounds incredible | 顺便说一句,听起来不可思议 |
| 536 | and we need this yesterday, | 我们昨天需要这个 |
| 537 | but like I said, we just have all these challenges | 但是正如我所说 我们只是有这么多挑战 |
| 538 | that we've had for a long time | 很久以来,我们一直 |
| 539 | where even throwing kind of vast amounts of money | 甚至投出一大笔钱 |
| 540 | at the problem hasn't really solved it | 在问题还没有真正解决 |
| 541 | because it seems to be rooted in the incentives. | 因为它似乎根植于激励。 |
| 542 | Yeah, there's some of that for certain. | 是啊,有一些是肯定的。 |
| 543 | What I believe now in this current moment | 现在此刻我所相信的 |
| 544 | and why it's so exciting | 为何如此激动人心 |
| 545 | is the advent of agents, okay, | 是特工的出现,好吧, |
| 546 | where people think you kind of have to, | 人们觉得你必须去的地方 |
| 547 | what is an agent? | 什么是探员? |
| 548 | An agent is a computer system that can actually do work. | 代理是一个可以实际工作的计算机系统. |
| 549 | This is the moment where AI has actually become useful | 这是AI真正有用的时刻 |
| 550 | because it's doing work. | 因为它的工作。 |
| 551 | It's not just generating a picture or writing an email. | 这不仅仅是生成图片或写邮件。 |
| 552 | It's able to do very, very complicated work | 它能做非常非常复杂的工作 |
| 553 | and that's only really happened in this last six months | 这才真正发生在过去六个月 |
| 554 | to be honest. | 老实说 |
| 555 | What is an agent? | 什么是探员? |
| 556 | It's more than a model. | 这不只是一个模型。 |
| 557 | Yes, it is a model, | 是的,这是一个模型, |
| 558 | but it's also how do you support that model | 但这也是你如何支持那个模型 |
| 559 | with all of the tools and the data necessary | 拥有所有必要的工具和数据 |
| 560 | for it to get that work done? | 让它完成这项工作? |
| 561 | And so because that hadn't arrived before, | 因为那之前还没到 |
| 562 | you do think about all of these, | 你确实想到所有这些, |
| 563 | maybe they're antiquated and necessary systems | 也许它们已经过时了 而且很有必要的系统 |
| 564 | that run the hospital, right? | 管理医院,对不对? |
| 565 | There's scheduling systems, | 有排程系统 |
| 566 | there's electronic health records. | 有电子健康记录。 |
| 567 | There's all sorts of systems | 有各种系统 |
| 568 | that you would otherwise have to try to write software | 否则您必须尝试写软件 |
| 569 | to interact with them. | 和他们互动 |
| 570 | But these agents have the capability now | 但是这些特工现在有能力了 |
| 571 | through API calls to kind of go out and pluck | 通过API的呼叫 那种出去和拔出 |
| 572 | just the amount of information it needs | 只是它需要的信息数量 |
| 573 | to give the agent the context | 给代理人上下文 |
| 574 | to move on to the next piece of work to get done. | 继续做下一个工作 |
| 575 | And so I believe that we're at a very critical moment | 所以我相信我们正处于一个非常关键的时刻 |
| 576 | in the healthcare industry that this is a great unlock. | 在医疗行业 这是一个伟大的解锁。 |
| 577 | Health records have gone into practice | 健康记录已经付诸实施 |
| 578 | here in the United States for over two decades. | 在美国呆了20多年 |
| 579 | And as you say, we've largely not been able | 正如你说的,我们基本上无法 |
| 580 | to get any true value or benefit out of that digitized data. | 从数字化数据中获得任何真正的价值或好处。 |
| 581 | All of that is changing now. | 所有这一切都在改变。 |
| 582 | And you can see the companies in this space | 你可以看到公司在这个空间 |
| 583 | are able to achieve completely again, new experiences, | 能够再次获得全新的经验 |
| 584 | re-imagine the workflows that they've otherwise | 重新想象他们以前的工作流程 |
| 585 | had to go through to get their everyday job done. | 为了完成他们的日常工作,他们不得不经历。 |
| 586 | And that is in essence because we have this capability | 这本质上是因为我们有这种能力 |
| 587 | to tap into these systems in an agentic way. | 以代理的方式开发这些系统。 |
| 588 | And it's also the capability that allows | 这也是能力 允许 |
| 589 | for there to be, they're safer for healthcare, right? | 就医疗而言,他们比较安全,对吧? |
| 590 | Language models and general intelligence | 语言模型和一般智能 |
| 591 | is a fantastic thing for the world, | 对世界来说是件奇妙的事 |
| 592 | but it's just that, it's general. | 但它只是, 这是一般性的。 |
| 593 | We need to have the capabilities to domain specialize these | 我们需要有能力 专攻这些 |
| 594 | because as you just described, | 因为你刚才说的 |
| 595 | healthcare is super complicated. | 保健是超级复杂的。 |
| 596 | Not only is the processes complicated, | 不仅过程复杂, |
| 597 | the domains are complicated, the amount of medical knowledge, | 领域复杂, 医疗知识的数量, |
| 598 | sheer medical knowledge that's being produced | 完全医学知识正在产生 |
| 599 | on a minute-by-minute basis and staying up to that | 一步一步地坚持下去 |
| 600 | is complicated. | 很复杂 |
| 601 | And so we have the opportunity here to use agents | 因此我们有机会使用特工 |
| 602 | on our behalf, synthesize that knowledge, | 代表我们, 综合这种知识, |
| 603 | automatically schedule that appointment, | 自动安排预约, |
| 604 | make sure you're doing the appropriate | 确保你做的合适 |
| 605 | prior authorization questioning during the patient visit | 在病人探视期间进行事先批准询问 |
| 606 | so there's no delay in future medical care. | 所以以后的医疗服务不会拖延 |
| 607 | So that's what we're at this incredibly opportune moment | 所以,这就是我们在这个令人难以置信的适当时刻 |
| 608 | to take advantage of, agentic systems unlock in a way, | 利用,代理系统 解锁的方式, |
| 609 | it's not in a way that it's going to be challenging | 它不会在某种程度上成为挑战 |
| 610 | for the privacy because the data stays | 因为数据保留了隐私 |
| 611 | where it is, it's just a bit of context that's needed | 它在哪里,它只是 一点点的背景需要 |
| 612 | for these digital systems to operate. | 这些数字系统可以运行。 |
| 613 | And so no longer do we have to think about | 因此,我们不再需要考虑 |
| 614 | what if we could pool all of the healthcare data together | 如果我们能把所有的保健数据集中起来 |
| 615 | to build and operate AI, it's not necessary anymore. | 要建立和运行AI, 这是不必要的了。 |
| 616 | These agentic systems can be deployed | 这些代理系统可以部署 |
| 617 | inside the walls of the hospital if necessary, | 必要时在医院的墙内 |
| 618 | they can be deployed all over the world | 它们可以部署在世界各地 |
| 619 | and as you say, you can just kind of give the model | 就像你说的 你可以给模型 |
| 620 | essentially what it needs to get very domain specific, | 基本上它需要 得到非常具体的领域, |
| 621 | complicated work done. | 工作很复杂 |
| 622 | I think that's the true transformation | 我想这就是真正的转变 |
| 623 | and it cuts across whether you're a healthcare system, | 它贯穿了 无论你是一个医疗系统, |
| 624 | whether you're an insurance company, | 不管你是一家保险公司, |
| 625 | whether you're a general practitioner's office, | 无论你是全科医生办公室 |
| 626 | it really cuts across all of healthcare. | 它确实贯穿了所有的医疗保健。 |
| 627 | If you are a clinician listening to this pod | 如果你是一个临床医生 听这个舱 |
| 628 | and thinking, Kimberly, how do I even adapt | 想想,金伯利,我怎么适应 |
| 629 | to this future that you're talking about | 你所说的未来 |
| 630 | where the hospital is a robot? | 医院在哪里是机器人? |
| 631 | Maybe I'm not super technical, | 也许我不是超技术的 |
| 632 | don't have a coding background using an interface of an LLM | 没有使用 LLM 接口的编码背景 |
| 633 | but we're using some of the tools that the health system | 但我们正在使用一些 医疗系统的工具 |
| 634 | has procured for you but maybe not necessarily | 已经为你采购,但也许不一定 |
| 635 | as sophisticated with things like prompt engineering. | 像快速工程一样复杂 |
| 636 | How would you advise them to ensure that they stay | 你会如何建议他们 确保他们留下来 |
| 637 | as relevant as possible in their profession | 尽可能与专业相关 |
| 638 | and then also provide really high quality patient care | 也提供高质量的病人护理 |
| 639 | at a time when, frankly, I think a lot of people | 老实说,我觉得很多人 |
| 640 | are fearful of AI, especially as this concept | 特别是因为这个概念 |
| 641 | of it's gonna take your jobs, | 它会占用你的工作, |
| 642 | this is such a big refrain that we read about today. | 这是一个巨大的节奏,我们今天读到。 |
| 643 | So how would you advise the clinicians listening into this | 所以,你如何建议临床医生 听这个 |
| 644 | that want to use AI, maybe there's some aspects of it | 想用人工智能, 可能有一些方面 |
| 645 | that scare them and others that create a lot of excitement | 吓唬他们和其他人 制造很多兴奋 |
| 646 | and feel like a big opportunity. | 觉得是个大机会 |
| 647 | How do you adapt to stay as cutting edge as possible | 如何适应 保持尽可能尖端 |
| 648 | in this moment? | 此时此刻? |
| 649 | Yeah, it's oftentimes said that AI is not gonna replace you | 是啊,它经常说 AI不会取代你 |
| 650 | but the person using AI is going to replace you | 但使用人工智能的人会代替你 |
| 651 | because AI should be thought of as this incredible tool | 因为AI应该被认为是这个不可思议的工具 |
| 652 | and every single day, clinicians have to learn new tools. | 每天,临床医生必须学习新的工具。 |
| 653 | They have to upskill their medical knowledge. | 他们必须提高医疗知识水平。 |
| 654 | Every single day, they inherently have to be learning | 每一天,他们都必然要学习 |
| 655 | machines as we call them, right? | 我们称之为机器,对吧? |
| 656 | And so if that is the case, | 所以如果是这样的话, |
| 657 | what we oftentimes also encourage is just start using it. | 我们经常鼓励的只是开始使用它。 |
| 658 | And to your point, you don't have to know Python, | 就你而言,你不必知道Python, |
| 659 | you don't have to write code anymore, | 你不必再写密码了 |
| 660 | you simply speak and you can interact and interface | 简单说话,可以交互和接口 |
| 661 | with artificial intelligence today. | 与人工智能今天。 |
| 662 | And that's what we just love the idea | 我们就是喜欢这个想法 |
| 663 | that voice is this new interface. | 那个声音就是这个新的界面 |
| 664 | You don't have to learn any UIs or UXs | 你不需要学习任何UI或UX |
| 665 | and know what buttons to push. | 并知道要按什么按钮。 |
| 666 | You simply speak and you can interact | 你只是说话,你可以互动 |
| 667 | with this intelligent system. | 与这个智能系统。 |
| 668 | And then when you're speaking | 当你说话的时候 |
| 669 | and you're starting to see actual work get done, | 你开始看到真正的工作完成, |
| 670 | I think that's the experience | 我想这是经验 |
| 671 | that I would recommend everybody have | 我建议大家 |
| 672 | because just as you said, until you try it, | 因为就像你说的, 直到你尝试它, |
| 673 | you just can't quite put your hands on how it's gonna feel | 你只是不能把 你的手如何会感觉 |
| 674 | or what else could I do with this thing? | 或者我还能用它做什么? |
| 675 | And it's really quite magical. | 它真的相当神奇。 |
| 676 | 对OpenEvience等系统的吸收非常深刻. | |
| 677 | Never has the healthcare industry | 从来没有医疗行业 |
| 678 | been the fastest at adopting a technology than right now. | 采用技术的速度比现在快 |
| 679 | And why is that? | 为什么? |
| 680 | Because OpenEvidence is solving a very critical need | 因为OpenEvidence正在解决一个非常关键的需求 |
| 681 | of putting the world's current medical knowledge | 将世界目前的医学知识 |
| 682 | in the hands of their doctors | 在他们的医生手中 |
| 683 | on a simple voice activated interface on their phone. | 在一个简单的语音激活界面 在他们的电话。 |
| 684 | There's literally no barrier to entry | 根本就没有进入障碍 |
| 685 | to using this technology. | 使用这种技术。 |
| 686 | And so my recommendation is to do just that, just use it. | 所以,我的建议就是这样做,只是使用它。 |
| 687 | Use perplexity, use codex, use Claude, use OpenEvidence, | 使用复杂度,使用代码x,使用克劳德,使用OpenEvidence, |
| 688 | use Abridge because you'll see what the potential is there. | 使用Abridge,因为你会看到什么潜力。 |
| 689 | And as we hear from Abridge's end users, | 我们从Abridge的最终用户那里得知 |
| 690 | how life-changing it's been for these clinicians | 这些临床医生的生活如何改变 |
| 691 | to be able to just work | 能够工作 |
| 692 | and have a much more personalized time | 更个性化的时间 |
| 693 | with their patient eye contact instead of typing, | 与他们的耐心的眼神接触,而不打字, |
| 694 | to be able to actually go home | 能够真正回家 |
| 695 | and have dinner at night with their family, | 晚上和他们的家属共进晚餐, |
| 696 | which they otherwise would be typing | 不然,他们将打字, |
| 697 | for the next three hours. | 接下来三个小时。 |
| 698 | Or to say, I recommend an MRI for my patient | 或者说 我推荐我病人做核磁共振 |
| 699 | and I see that they are authorized to have it right there | 我看见他们有权拥有它 |
| 700 | in that patient encounter. | 在那个病人遭遇。 |
| 701 | So there's no delay to the future care | 所以将来的照顾没有拖延 |
| 702 | that they're recommending for their patients. | 他们向病人推荐 |
| 703 | All of that comes with just incredible, I think, fulfillment | 所有这一切 伴随着不可思议的,我想,实现 |
| 704 | and is going to enhance the practice of medicine | 并且将加强医学实践 |
| 705 | because for the last couple of decades, | 因为在过去的几十年里 |
| 706 | we've been putting a lot of undue pressure, | 我们一直在施加很多不必要的压力, |
| 707 | unnecessary pressure, or maybe it was necessary, | 不必要的压力,或可能是必要的, |
| 708 | but it was unfortunate pressure | 但这是不幸的压力 |
| 709 | on the healthcare professionals | 保健专业人员 |
| 710 | to do so much administrative work | 做这么多行政工作 |
| 711 | that it's changed the practice. | 这改变了惯例。 |
| 712 | And as I was describing before, | 正如我之前描述的那样 |
| 713 | this couldn't come at a more important time | 这不可能在更重要的时候出现 |
| 714 | when we are entering into these population | 当我们进入这些人群 |
| 715 | demand for healthcare | 保健需求 |
| 716 | with a slowing supply of healthcare professionals. | 医疗专业人员供应缓慢。 |
| 717 | We've got to meet this need with these new tools. | 我们必须用这些新工具来满足这种需要。 |
| 718 | And that's how they should be thought of as new tools. | 这就是他们应该被看作新的工具。 |
| 719 | Okay, so Kimberly, | 好吧,所以金贝利, |
| 720 | I've been watching the self-driving space | 我一直在看自驾车 |
| 721 | and we've mentioned it a few times. | 我们提到过几次了 |
| 722 | And one of the things that we definitely saw | 还有一件我们绝对看到的事情 |
| 723 | with the advent of this technology | 随着这一技术的出现 |
| 724 | and all the years of focus on R&D | 以及所有专注于研发的年份 |
| 725 | was that whenever a self-driving technology | 每当自我驾驶技术 |
| 726 | was involved in any kind of accident, | 参与任何事故, |
| 727 | cue front page news, right? | 首页新闻,对吧? |
| 728 | Meanwhile, you see human beings | 同时,你看到人类 |
| 729 | creating fatalities on the road every single day. | 每天都在路上造成伤亡 |
| 730 | This is such a common occurrence that, | 这是很常见的事 |
| 731 | it might make the news | 它可能会让新闻 |
| 732 | but it's certainly not front page news. | 但肯定不是头版新闻 |
| 733 | So I think about that sometimes with healthcare as well. | 因此,我有时会用医疗来思考。 |
| 734 | And it did actually happen | 其实确实发生了 |
| 735 | OpenAI现在面临诉讼 | |
| 736 | from a patient that experienced | 是从一个有经验的病人那里发出的, |
| 737 | a very severe pulmonary embolism | 严重的肺栓塞 |
| 738 | 和LLM说话。 | |
| 739 | And this LLM was telling him that he could rest, | 这个LLM告诉他 他可以休息, |
| 740 | that the Lord would provide, | 以便真主提供, |
| 741 | I believe this individual was religious. | 我相信这个人是虔诚的 |
| 742 | And so despite the advice of friends and family | 所以尽管有朋友和家人的建议 |
| 743 | did not seek medical care. | 没有寻求医疗。 |
| 744 | 现在OpenAI会说, | |
| 745 | well, we're not intended for diagnosis. | 好吧,我们不打算 诊断。 |
| 746 | We're not supposed to replace a physician. | 我们不应该替代医生 |
| 747 | And the models have also significantly improved | 模型也有很大改进 |
| 748 | this patient was using an older model. | 这个病人用的是旧模型 |
| 749 | But I guess the crux of my question is Kimberly | 但我想问题的关键是金伯利 |
| 750 | that mistakes happen all the time | 错误总是发生 |
| 751 | with human beings in medicine. | 与人类在医学。 |
| 752 | Patients fall through the cracks, | 病人从裂缝里掉下来 |
| 753 | they're misdiagnosed, underdiagnosed. | 他们被误诊 诊断不足 |
| 754 | Now we have this incredible technology | 现在我们有了这个不可思议的技术 |
| 755 | that people are starting to use. | 人们开始使用。 |
| 756 | You also see front page news showing | 您还可以看到头版新闻 |
| 757 | that patients are getting diagnosed with rare diseases | 病人被诊断为罕见疾病 |
| 758 | that had eluded the physicians for decades. | 医生们躲了几十年 |
| 759 | And so how do we balance the potential for harm | 我们如何平衡伤害的可能性 |
| 760 | with this case that is all over the news at the moment | 这件案子现在到处都是新闻 |
| 761 | and the potential to do incredible things? | 以及做不可思议的事情的潜力? |
| 762 | How do we balance that to ensure | 我们如何平衡,以确保 |
| 763 | it doesn't go down the same path as self-driving | 和自驾车不一样 |
| 764 | where we almost have this, I would call it | 我们几乎有这个,我会称之为 |
| 765 | techno-perfectionism that the AI has to be 100% perfect. | 技术完善论 AI必须百分之百完美. |
| 766 | There is no room for error in order for us | 我们没有犯错的余地 |
| 767 | to work out in any meaningful way. | 以任何有意义的方式解决问题。 |
| 768 | And yet we're willing to accept any number of human mistakes. | 但我们愿意接受任何人类的错误 |
| 769 | So I realize that that's probably | 所以我意识到,这可能是 |
| 770 | the very complicated question | 这个非常复杂的问题 |
| 771 | or maybe the question of the moment, | 或许是现在的问题 |
| 772 | but where do you land on all this? | 但你从哪里得到这一切? |
| 773 | Yeah, it is super complicated and lives are at stake. | 是的,这是超复杂的,生命处于危险之中。 |
| 774 | This is true in self-driving cars, | 这是在自驾车, |
| 775 | this is true in medicine. | 这在医学上是真实的。 |
| 776 | Couple ways I think about it is it is so important | 我想的几种方法都很重要 |
| 777 | that you have healthcare professionals in the loop. | 你们有专业的保健人员 |
| 778 | And I mean that in several different ways. | 我从几个方面来说都是这样。 |
| 779 | One is even in using the utility of the tools, | 一是利用这些工具, |
| 780 | there's still a healthcare professional in the loop. | 环路里还有医护专业人员 |
| 781 | And you should, these systems that we're talking about, | 你应该,这些系统 我们谈论, |
| 782 | they know their user and they are trying to provide | 他们知道他们的用户 他们试图提供 |
| 783 | their user, which is a healthcare professional, | 他们的使用者, 是一个保健专业人员, |
| 784 | all of the information to help them | 所有帮助他们的信息 |
| 785 | get their job done better, right? | 让他们的工作做得更好,对吧? |
| 786 | And so human is still in the loop. | 所以人类还在循环中 |
| 787 | Not only that, companies that are just incredibly smart | 不仅如此,那些非常聪明的公司 |
| 788 | about this, you know, Abridged and Shiv, | 关于这个,你知道的,阿布里奇德和希夫, |
| 789 | a clinician himself, being able to understand the practice | 一个临床医生本人, 能够理解这个习俗 |
| 790 | so deeply and the domain so deeply | 如此深厚的地盘 |
| 791 | to build that into the systems in a way | 以某种方式将这一点纳入系统 |
| 792 | that it's gonna become very apparent | 它会变得非常明显 |
| 793 | that it's going to be so important that it won't, | 这很重要,不会的 |
| 794 | it will help, the clinicians will realize | 这会帮助, 临床医生会意识到 |
| 795 | that without this, I might have made a mistake. | 没有这个 我可能犯了错误 |
| 796 | It's essentially their second opinion | 这基本上是他们的第二点意见 |
| 797 | or they have a million second opinions. | 或者他们有 百万秒的意见。 |
| 798 | Doesn't that make sense? | 这不合理吗? |
| 799 | But they essentially have a million doctors | 但他们基本上有100万医生 |
| 800 | in their pocket, perhaps, right? | 在他们的口袋里,也许,对不对? |
| 801 | Because they've studied all the medical knowledge. | 因为他们研究了所有的医学知识. |
| 802 | So it's not only the doctor's experience, | 所以不只是医生的经验 |
| 803 | own experience that it can draw from, | 它能从中汲取的经验 |
| 804 | it's the experience of millions and millions | 这是数百万人的经历 |
| 805 | of healthcare professionals it can draw from. | - 医疗专业人员。 |
| 806 | And so, you know, with every new technology, | 所以,你知道, 每一个新技术, |
| 807 | there comes risk and you have to think about | 有风险,你必须思考 |
| 808 | what is the risk reward, just as you're describing. | 正如你所描述的 风险奖励是什么 |
| 809 | And these systems, I think we want to deploy them very safely. | 这些系统,我想我们要非常安全地部署它们。 |
| 810 | I think, you know, even as we go into knowing the user | 我认为,你知道, 即使我们去了解用户 |
| 811 | and making sure these platforms know their user | 确保这些平台了解其用户 |
| 812 | and what the intended use is, it has to be very thoughtful. | 和什么是预期的用途, 它必须非常周到。 |
| 813 | And that's why, you know, these new technological | 这就是为什么,你知道,这些新技术 |
| 814 | breakthroughs allow for us to guardrail these systems, | 突破使得我们能守护这些系统 |
| 815 | to audit them, to know who is using it, | 以审计他们,以知道谁使用它, |
| 816 | to know what information it built its, you know, | 要知道什么信息 它建立它,你知道, |
| 817 | its thesis or its work that it produced on. | 它的论文或它所制作的作品。 |
| 818 | And so I think that the way I really enjoy thinking | 所以我觉得 我真正喜欢思考的方式 |
| 819 | about this is the risk versus reward is just too strong. | 风险和回报太强了 |
| 820 | As I described, we are all patients. | 正如我所描述的,我们都是病人。 |
| 821 | I live in an incredible place to receive healthcare. | 我住在一个令人难以置信的地方 接受医疗。 |
| 822 | It's still very difficult for me to receive good healthcare. | 我仍然很难得到良好的医疗。 |
| 823 | And so the reward of digital systems, | 所以数字系统的回报, |
| 824 | helping me schedule appointments, | 帮我安排预约 |
| 825 | the reward of my healthcare professionals, | 奖励我的保健专业人员, |
| 826 | having agents working in the background saying, | 有代理在背景说, |
| 827 | oh, that thing that Kimberly just said | 噢,金伯利刚才说的那件事 |
| 828 | might be something more than I realize. | 也许比我想象的还要多 |
| 829 | That is a reward I think far too great to ignore. | 我认为,这是一个巨大的奖励,不容忽视。 |
| 830 | And so the risk reward here seems much, much higher. | 所以这里的风险回报似乎要高得多。 |
| 831 | And I think you also see this in self-driving cars now. | 我想你现在也在自驾车里看到了这一点。 |
| 832 | It's not that often that you're seeing | 不是经常看到 |
| 833 | it hit the front page. | 它打到头版。 |
| 834 | It's become a more accepted technological breakthrough. | 这已成为更公认的技术突破. |
| 835 | I mean, I drive a Tesla. | 我开的是特斯拉 |
| 836 | I love my Model S. | 我爱我的模特S。 |
| 837 | It has full self-driving. | 它有完全的自我驾驶。 |
| 838 | It's got what, eight, 10 pairs of eyes? | 有八,十对眼睛吗? |
| 839 | I only have two. | 我只有两个 |
| 840 | When I get into a rental car, | 当我进入租车, |
| 841 | I'm actually like, goodness, | 我其实就像,天啊, |
| 842 | I'm not nearly as good as a driver, as my FSD, | 我几乎不如司机, 我的FSD, |
| 843 | because it has so much more information, | 因为它有这么多的信息, |
| 844 | so much more sensor technology. | 更多的感应技术。 |
| 845 | The ability to have zero distractions or tiredness, right? | 零分心或疲惫的能力,对不对? |
| 846 | And so that's an incredible opportunity | 因此,这是一个不可思议的机会 |
| 847 | and an unlock for the industry. | 还有行业的解锁 |
| 848 | And so it has to be thought through. | 故须深思. |
| 849 | It has to be discussed. | 得商量. |
| 850 | It should be regulated in the appropriate ways. | 应当以适当方式加以规范。 |
| 851 | And that's why exposing how these systems work, | 这就是为什么揭露这些系统是如何工作的, |
| 852 | educating people on what is the Gentic systems, education, | 教育人们什么是基因系统,教育, |
| 853 | and then firsthand use is what's gonna allow | 然后用第一手是允许的 |
| 854 | for the evolution of people's thought process here. | 给人们的思想过程进化 |
| 855 | Do you think these are Gentic? | 你觉得这些是Gentic吗? |
| 856 | You mentioned just the role of agents. | 你只是提到探员的角色 |
| 857 | One of my both concerns and reasons for optimism | 我关心和乐观的原因之一 |
| 858 | when looking at healthcare is that I think | 当看保健是 我想 |
| 859 | everybody's gonna get their own agent. | 每个人都会得到自己的经纪人。 |
| 860 | The patient will get their own agent. | 病人会得到他们自己的代理。 |
| 861 | The physician will get their own agent. | 医生会得到他们自己的代理。 |
| 862 | But then even within industries, | 但即使在工业内部 |
| 863 | I think you look at revenue cycle management, | 我认为你看看收入周期管理 |
| 864 | which I often refer to as at the underbelly of healthcare, | 我经常提到 在医疗的底部, |
| 865 | because it's the flow of payments. | 因为它是支付的流动。 |
| 866 | There are definitely gonna be agents on the provider side, | 肯定会有代理在供应商一方, |
| 867 | and there will be agents on the payer side, | 并有代理人 在支付者一方, |
| 868 | and they will be much more efficient | 他们将提高效率, |
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| 870 | related to a medical bill. | 和医疗费有关 |
| 871 | And so people have postulated that we end up in stalemate | 所以人们假设 我们最终陷入僵局 |
| 872 | in that scenario. | 在那种情况下 |
| 873 | So is there a world in which, | 这个世界, |
| 874 | if you play this out to its natural endpoint, | 如果你把这个玩到它的自然终点, |
| 875 | is it gonna force the industry to finally have to sit down | 这会迫使业界 最终不得不坐下来 |
| 876 | and have these real conversations and start to collaborate? | 开始合作? |
| 877 | Because I just can't see a future ahead of us | 因为我看不到未来 |
| 878 | where it's just nonstop agents in battle mode | 在战斗模式下,它只是不停的特工 |
| 879 | between the various segments of the industry. | 不同行业之间。 |
| 880 | To me, it just blows up the model. | 对我来说,它只是炸毁了模型。 |
| 881 | So what do you think? | 你觉得怎么样? |
| 882 | What are you seeing? | 你看见什么了? |
| 883 | I definitely agree with you. | 我绝对同意你的观点。 |
| 884 | And I went to a Bridges event where they just had, | 我去了一次布里奇斯的活动 他们刚刚有, |
| 885 | they launched a new platform | 他们推出了一个新的平台 |
| 886 | that is actually a clinical intelligence platform | 这其实是一个临床智能平台 |
| 887 | that includes the providers and the payers | 包括供货商和付款人 |
| 888 | and the life sciences companies. | 还有生命科学公司 |
| 889 | And I believe agents and the fact that they can operate | 我相信特工和他们可以操作的事实 |
| 890 | will create a new level of transparency | 将创造新的透明度水平 |
| 891 | that these conversations have to happen. | 这些对话必须发生。 |
| 892 | And in fact, on their stage, | 事实上,在他们的舞台上, |
| 893 | they had a payer and a provider kind of talking about | 他们有一个付款人和一个供应商 谈论 |
| 894 | what is going to have to be different. | 将不得不不同。 |
| 895 | I think it was the executive from Cigna that said, | 我想是西格纳的主管说 |
| 896 | of course you should know everything about your policy | 当然,你应该知道 你的政策的一切 |
| 897 | and what's gonna be reimbursed and everything | 和什么会得到偿还和一切 |
| 898 | before you even have a medical procedure. | 在你还没做手术之前 |
| 899 | Right now today, that doesn't exist, right? | 现在,这是不存在的,对不对? |
| 900 | So I think the whole industry is thinking about this. | 我想整个行业都在考虑这个问题。 |
| 901 | I'm deeply encouraged by what a bridge has accomplished | 我对一座桥的成就深感鼓舞 |
| 902 | in this platform that they're creating | 在这个平台 他们正在创建 |
| 903 | because it's the flow of information | 因为它是信息的流动 |
| 904 | that has been the critical breakdown. | 这已经是严重的崩溃。 |
| 905 | And agents are this new highway | 探员们就是这条新公路 |
| 906 | and this new flow of information in radical ways | 而这种新的信息以激进的方式流动 |
| 907 | that I do think the whole industry | 我认为整个行业 |
| 908 | is gonna have to transform because of it | 将不得不改变 因为它 |
| 909 | in positive ways, right? | 在积极方面,对不对? |
| 910 | There's too much waste in the system. | 系统浪费过多. |
| 911 | There's too much latency in the system. | 系统有太多的耐久性. |
| 912 | There's too much fraud in the system | 系统有太多的欺诈 |
| 913 | that really can, I think, be addressed in very material ways | 我认为,这确实能够以非常实质性的方式处理 |
| 914 | because of the agentic system. | 因为代理系统。 |
| 915 | So I'm hopeful. | 所以我很有希望。 |
| 916 | I believe it should be a very different looking industry | 我相信这应该是一个非常不同的行业 |
| 917 | in not too long a time, | 不久之后, |
| 918 | but it should all be in service of patients. | 但它应该都为病人服务。 |
| 919 | I think we will all benefit from it. | 我认为我们大家都将从中受益。 |
| 920 | And so the conversations are happening now. | 因此,对话正在发生。 |
| 921 | I think having that a bridge event in New York City | 我想在纽约市举行桥梁活动 |
| 922 | where they have these individuals, | 在那里他们有这些人, |
| 923 | these executives from these establishments | 这些机构的主管 |
| 924 | having the real conversations in public, | 在公众场合进行真正的对话, |
| 925 | this is real and it's happening. | 这是真实的,它正在发生。 |
| 926 | So I'm encouraged that it's gonna really happen | 所以我鼓励它真的会发生 |
| 927 | in our lifetime, right? | 在我们的一生,对不对? |
| 928 | I talked to a lot of people about like, | 我和很多人谈过 |
| 929 | what does success look like for you, Kimberly? | 金伯利,你觉得成功是什么样子? |
| 930 | And I'm like, when my daughter's healthcare | 而我喜欢,当我的女儿的保健 |
| 931 | just feels way different than mine, | 感觉和我的不一样 |
| 932 | it feels easy and not enjoyable. | 感觉很轻松,很不愉快 |
| 933 | I mean, maybe because you're like, | 我的意思是,也许 因为你喜欢, |
| 934 | I'm able to look after myself in a way | 我一定能照顾好自己 |
| 935 | that isn't arduous and painful and scary, right? | 这不是艰难,痛苦和可怕的,对不对? |
| 936 | And I think that's the opportunity | 我认为这是机会 |
| 937 | with the genetic systems and digital health | 基因系统与数字健康 |
| 938 | that is in the not too distant future. | 这是在不远的未来。 |
| 939 | I'm very hopeful for that. | 我对此充满希望。 |
| 940 | Yeah, so I love this theme of the not too distant future. | 是啊,所以我喜欢这个主题 不久的未来。 |
| 941 | And we've talked about this a few times | 我们谈过几次了 |
| 942 | that you have the thesis of the hospital becoming a robot | 医院成为机器人的理论 |
| 943 | in the next five years. | 在接下来的五年。 |
| 944 | And I like five years and not 10, | 我喜欢五年而不是十年 |
| 945 | because it's just more time to think about | 因为它只是更多的时间思考 |
| 946 | what's around the corner. | 拐角处是什么 |
| 947 | So do you have any other predictions for the next five | 所以,你还有别的预测 对于接下来的五个 |
| 948 | that we should always practice as patients, | 我们应当始终作为病人练习, |
| 949 | as providers, as really anybody who is using | 作为供应商, 真正的任何人谁正在使用 |
| 950 | the healthcare system in some way, shape or form? | 以某种方式、形态或形式建立医疗体系? |
| 951 | I believe in the next five, access to healthcare | 我相信接下来的五个,获得医疗保健 |
| 952 | is going to be dramatically improved | 将会大为改善 |
| 953 | because of these digital systems. | 因为这些数字系统。 |
| 954 | It takes the world a little bit of time | 世界需要一点时间 |
| 955 | to get over the fact that maybe they are talking | 以克服事实,也许他们在说话 |
| 956 | to a digital system, but in fact, | 但事实上, |
| 957 | 像Hippocratic AI, 谈话的好处 | |
| 958 | to this digital system is huge for both, again, | 对于这个数字系统来说 两者都是巨大的,再次, |
| 959 | improving the patient experience | 改善病人的体验 |
| 960 | and the clinician experience. | 和临床医生的经验。 |
| 961 | And so there should be a massive deployment | 所以应该有大规模的部署 |
| 962 | of digital health, the genetic systems | 遗传系统 |
| 963 | that are just tackling the non-clinical parts | 解决非临床问题 |
| 964 | of healthcare, but the very necessary parts | 医疗,但非常必要的部分 |
| 965 | of how it operates, creating new patient experiences, | 如何运作,创造新的病人经历, |
| 966 | creating new clinician and healthcare professional, | 创建新的临床医生和保健专业人员, |
| 967 | experiences and just being in a digital world | 经历和刚进入数字世界 |
| 968 | with more access to data, more real time, | 更多的数据访问 更多的实时, |
| 969 | with a workflow that feels right. | 与工作流程 感觉正确。 |
| 970 | It doesn't feel broken. | 不觉破碎. |
| 971 | The other parts that we're really, really excited about | 我们非常兴奋的其他部分 |
| 972 | right now is in the area of drug discovery. | 现在在药物发现领域 |
| 973 | The industry has made some critical breakthroughs. | 该行业取得了一些重要突破. |
| 974 | You heard about Alphafold and that really taught the world | 你听说过Alphafold, 这真的教会了世界 |
| 975 | that biology can start to be learned | 生物学可以开始学习 |
| 976 | and understood better using these new AI methodologies. | 并且更清楚地了解这些新的人工智能方法。 |
| 977 | And for the last 20 years or more, | 在过去20年或更长时间里 |
| 978 | we've been building a lot of measurement systems, right? | 我们建了很多测量系统,对吧? |
| 979 | Whether that's liquid biopsy, new ways of measuring things | 这是否是液体活体检查 新的测量方法 |
| 980 | in your blood or genomic sequencing or pathology system, | 在血液或基因组测序 或病理系统, |
| 981 | new ways of measuring biology that we have this sort | 新的测量生物学的方法,我们有这样的 |
| 982 | of opportunity that for the first time ever, | 第一次的机会, |
| 983 | we're gonna be able to represent the world of drugs | 我们能代表毒品世界 |
| 984 | and medicine in a computer. | 还有电脑里的药 |
| 985 | And when you can bring biology in | 当你能带来生物 |
| 986 | and you can bring molecules in | 你可以把分子带进 |
| 987 | and you can design molecules and simulate them, | 你可以设计分子模拟它们, |
| 988 | you can uncover, you can explore a much wider space. | 你可以发现, 你可以探索一个更广阔的空间。 |
| 989 | And we're really seeing that lift off now. | 而我们真的看到 升降机了。 |
| 990 | I would say in the area of molecular design, | 我想说在分子设计方面 |
| 991 | AI is now a standard. | AI现在是一个标准。 |
| 992 | It's a standard use. | 标准使用. |
| 993 | But we still have some hard problems to tackle | 但是,我们还有一些困难的问题要解决 |
| 994 | in the area of truly understanding biology, | 在真正理解生物学领域, |
| 995 | building models. | 建筑模型。 |
| 996 | Maybe you've heard efforts like the virtual cell. | 或许你听过虚拟细胞之类的努力 |
| 997 | If we could truly model the cell, | 如果我们能真正模拟细胞 |
| 998 | how could it help us understand and target, | 如何帮助我们理解和瞄准, |
| 999 | come up with new targets and more causal understanding | 提出新的目标和更多的因果理解 |
| 1000 | of how biology works? | 生物学如何运作? |
| 1001 | Because in the end, we do have a fundamental problem. | 因为最终我们确实有一个根本的问题。 |
| 1002 | 90% of drugs that go into the clinic fail. | 90%进入诊所的药物失败. |
| 1003 | We've got to improve that and we wanna accelerate it. | 我们必须改进它,我们要加快它。 |
| 1004 | We wanna provide the ability to get to medicines | 我们要提供药物的能力 |
| 1005 | to the diseases that need them faster. | 治疗那些需要治疗的疾病 |
| 1006 | And I think that this next couple of years, | 我认为接下来的几年里 |
| 1007 | you're gonna see huge advancements | 你会看到巨大的进步 |
| 1008 | like we've just experienced in the language model world. | 就像我们刚刚在语言模型世界中经历的那样。 |
| 1009 | We're gonna see those advancements happen | 我们会看到这些进步的发生 |
| 1010 | in the biology foundation model world | 生物学基础模型世界 |
| 1011 | and representation of the world of drugs, | 和毒品世界的代表性, |
| 1012 | just massively accelerating our ability to have | 只是大大加快了我们拥有 |
| 1013 | much better, hopefully clinical outcomes in drug discovery. | 更好的,希望临床结果 在药物发现。 |
| 1014 | So that's kind of like, | 所以这有点像, |
| 1015 | I call that the two to five year term. | 我称之为两至五年任期。 |
| 1016 | And as we go here, | 而当我们来这里时, |
| 1017 | the delivery robots inside of hospitals | 医院里的送货机器人 |
| 1018 | are really starting to become a thing, right? | 真正开始成为一件事情,对不对? |
| 1019 | That you don't have to build a new hospital | 你不需要建新医院 |
| 1020 | to deploy delivery robots. | 部署送货机器人 |
| 1021 | And Nvidia has really helped the world | Nvidia真的帮助了这个世界 |
| 1022 | be able to train robots in a computer | 能够在计算机中培训机器人 |
| 1023 | for very different environments | 对于非常不同的环境 |
| 1024 | before they're ever deployed. | 在他们部署之前 |
| 1025 | And this new simulation capability | 而这种新的模拟能力 |
| 1026 | is really just coming to fruition now. | 现在真的要结了 |
| 1027 | So being able to kind of do delivery robots, | 所以能做一些送货机器人, |
| 1028 | I think that's in the near term. | 我想这是在近期。 |
| 1029 | And then it's like, after that, | 然后它就像,在那之后, |
| 1030 | we're gonna see some breakthroughs | 我们会看到一些突破 |
| 1031 | in sort of surgical robotic systems | 外科机器人系统 |
| 1032 | and really automation in some of those areas | 在其中某些领域实现真正的自动化 |
| 1033 | where we're hard at work on there. | 我们在那里很努力 |
| 1034 | But I see that as further out | 但我觉得更进一步 |
| 1035 | when you're kind of talking about clinical robotics. | 当你谈论临床机器人。 |
| 1036 | But healthcare robotics at large, | 但一般的保健机器人, |
| 1037 | I mean, that's within the next several years. | 我的意思是,这是在未来几年。 |
| 1038 | The hardware itself is commoditizing | 硬件本身是商品化的 |
| 1039 | in a very good way that we can put it to use. | 以非常好的方式,我们可以把它用于。 |
| 1040 | And then we've built all the AI computer | 然后我们造了所有AI电脑 |
| 1041 | and simulation systems to specialize these robots | 和模拟系统 专门这些机器人 |
| 1042 | for really hard environments, | 对于真正的困难环境, |
| 1043 | like hospitals and healthcare delivery. | 比如医院和医疗护理 |
| 1044 | So I think that's what I'm super excited about. | 所以我觉得这就是我非常兴奋的原因。 |
| 1045 | I mean, the here and now is digital health | 我的意思是,这里现在是数字健康 |
| 1046 | and putting agents to work. | 并且派特工去工作 |
| 1047 | The up and coming is being able to design molecules | 升起和即将到来 能够设计分子 |
| 1048 | and medicines much, much better, | 和药品, 好多了, |
| 1049 | more efficiently with much more success. | 效率更高,成功率更高。 |
| 1050 | And then taking the physical AI, | 然后把身体的AI, |
| 1051 | the physical world of medicine | 医学的物理世界 |
| 1052 | and augmenting that with AI | 并用大赦国际加以补充 |
| 1053 | is something that we're gonna need. | 这是我们需要的 |
| 1054 | Because as I said, we're exploding the demand | 因为正如我所说,我们正在爆炸需求 |
| 1055 | for healthcare services. | 医疗保健服务。 |
| 1056 | And the only way we're gonna meet it | 只有这样我们才能面对 |
| 1057 | is through the deployment of these automated, | 是通过部署这些自动化, |
| 1058 | both digital and physical systems | 数字和物理系统 |
| 1059 | inside the healthcare practice. | 在医疗实践。 |
| 1060 | Yeah, and within the physical, which you mentioned, | 是的,在身体上,你提到的, |
| 1061 | I just see every country around the world has this need, | 我只是看到世界上每个国家都有这种需要, |
| 1062 | specifically around robotic caregivers. | 特别是围绕机器人护理员。 |
| 1063 | Just given, you mentioned the demographic | 你刚刚提到人口统计 |
| 1064 | and the shift that we're starting to see | 以及我们开始看到的转变 |
| 1065 | where we have declining birth rates everywhere. | 我们的出生率不断下降 |
| 1066 | We have populations getting older and sicker | 我们的人口越来越老 病了 |
| 1067 | and just more medically complex. | 更复杂的医疗。 |
| 1068 | We're not adding net new clinicians quickly enough. | 我们没有很快地增加新的临床医生 |
| 1069 | So those are the realities that we face. | 这就是我们面临的现实。 |
| 1070 | Are you seeing that as well, | 你也看到了吗? |
| 1071 | where anybody that is developing this kind of robotics | 任何研发这种机器人的人 |
| 1072 | and AI is really able to get funding from | AI确实能够从 |
| 1073 | and support from governments around the world | 和世界各国政府的支持 |
| 1074 | that I think are terrified about this feature | 我觉得我很害怕这个特点 |
| 1075 | and our ability to support these individuals, | 以及我们支持这些人的能力, |
| 1076 | especially without immense additional expense | 特别是没有巨额额外费用 |
| 1077 | that many countries can't afford? | 很多国家都负担不起? |
| 1078 | Yeah, I mean, we were just out at Computex | 是啊,我的意思是,我们只是出 在计算 |
| 1079 | and our GPU technology conference in Taiwan. | 以及我们在台湾的GPU技术会议 |
| 1080 | And they've really kind of created the blueprint | 他们真的创造了蓝图 |
| 1081 | for what this future of healthcare should look like | 对于这个未来 保健应该是什么样子 |
| 1082 | with both digital and physical AI deployments. | 数字化和物理化的AI部署。 |
| 1083 | Companies like Foxconn and deploying them | 福克斯康和部署公司 |
| 1084 | inside the environments of the hospitals, | 在医院环境中, |
| 1085 | having their clinicians have access | 允许临床医生就诊 |
| 1086 | to these digital agent systems, | 这些数字代理系统, |
| 1087 | using AI to read medical exams | 利用AI阅读体检 |
| 1088 | {\fn黑体\fs20\shad2\2aH82\3aH20\4aH33\fscx95\3cH592001\be1}只要实现一套全新的效率 | |
| 1089 | throughout the hospital. | 整个医院 |
| 1090 | I think it's a blueprint and they're adopting it. | 我认为这是一个蓝图 他们正在通过它。 |
| 1091 | They're building it themselves | 他们自己盖的 |
| 1092 | and they're seeing absolute true benefit. | 他们看到绝对真正的好处。 |
| 1093 | And so there's companies who are really starting | 所以有些公司真正开始 |
| 1094 | to tackle this challenge. | 应对这一挑战。 |
| 1095 | And I see it as a replatforming of the healthcare industry. | 我把它看成是保健行业的重塑。 |
| 1096 | You're gonna, when you think about | 你会,当你想到 |
| 1097 | what are the systems I need to run my hospital, | 我需要管理医院的系统是什么? |
| 1098 | robots are just gonna become a natural part of it. | 机器人会成为它自然的一部分 |
| 1099 | And I don't even think they'll be seen | 我甚至不认为他们会被看到 |
| 1100 | as a hardware purchase. | 作为硬件购买。 |
| 1101 | I'm not buying a robot. | 我不会买机器人的 |
| 1102 | I'm employing an AI physical thing | 我用的是人工智能物理设备 |
| 1103 | that is going to do work, right? | 这会工作,对不对? |
| 1104 | And so I think that's also gonna be | 所以,我认为这也是要去 |
| 1105 | a really interesting transition | 一个非常有趣的过渡 |
| 1106 | 从CAPEX到OPEX的保健心态 | |
| 1107 | because for the last many, many decades, | 因为在过去的几十年里 |
| 1108 | it's like I buy a CT machine and I pay for that once | 就像我买了一台CT机 我付了一次钱 |
| 1109 | and then I surround it with a whole bunch of humans | 然后用一堆人类包围它 |
| 1110 | to operate that thing to be able to charge for it. | 操作那个东西 才能充电 |
| 1111 | Well, I could see a future where you have digital agents | 嗯,我可以看到一个未来 你拥有数字代理 |
| 1112 | and you're offering a service | 你正在提供一种服务 |
| 1113 | instead of offering a piece of hardware, right? | 而不是提供一块硬件,对不对? |
| 1114 | And I think robots are gonna be deployed like that too. | 我认为机器人也会被这样部署。 |
| 1115 | They're gonna be utilized with helpers and coworkers | 帮手和同事会利用他们 |
| 1116 | inside the walls of the hospital. | 在医院的墙壁里 |
| 1117 | And so that's gonna be a really interesting transition. | 这将是一个非常有趣的转变。 |
| 1118 | But I said it, I don't know what it was, | 但我说了 我不知道那是什么 |
| 1119 | a conference a couple of maybe two years ago | 两年前的会议 |
| 1120 | or within the last year or two that AI is now hireable. | 或在过去一两年内,大赦国际现在可以雇用。 |
| 1121 | Because it can do work, you can hire it. | 因为它可以工作, 你可以雇用它。 |
| 1122 | And so this isn't like a software system | 所以这不像一个软件系统 |
| 1123 | that you have to go buy a license for. | 你得去买驾照 |
| 1124 | It has to be thought of as | 它必须被认为是 |
| 1125 | somebody who's on payroll. | 有人在发薪。 |
| 1126 | My group is that we don't just offset the costs. | 我的团队是,我们不只是抵消成本。 |
| 1127 | We say health systems, you have to pay for this technology | 我们说卫生制度,你必须为此技术付出代价 |
| 1128 | and then they offset the costs | 然后,它们抵消成本 |
| 1129 | by billing complexity goes up | 通过计费复杂度上升 |
| 1130 | and everybody's just billing more. | 每个人的账单都更多。 |
| 1131 | And then the system becomes, | 然后系统变成, |
| 1132 | I think we're already starting to see | 我想我们已经开始看到 |
| 1133 | that healthcare costs have gone up, | 医疗费用上升, |
| 1134 | which is not what anybody wants | 这不是任何人想要的 |
| 1135 | because in theory, AI should do the opposite. | 因为理论上,AI应该采取相反的做法. |
| 1136 | So I think you hit the nail on the head. | 所以我觉得你撞到头了 |
| 1137 | We've got to figure out a way in healthcare | 我们必须想出一个方法 在保健 |
| 1138 | to pay for this technology. | 以支付这项技术。 |
| 1139 | So it doesn't just balloon the system even more. | 所以它不只是气球系统。 |
| 1140 | That's right, that's absolutely right. | 这是正确的,这是绝对正确的。 |
| 1141 | And so these are really hard and important conversations | 因此,这些是非常困难和重要的谈话 |
| 1142 | for health systems to think through | 让卫生系统思考 |
| 1143 | and we're working with them on that | 我们正和他们合作 |
| 1144 | and thinking about what is the infrastructure? | 想想基础设施是什么? |
| 1145 | What is the business model? | 什么是商业模式? |
| 1146 | How do you measure the ROI? | 如何测量ROI? |
| 1147 | I mean, it's no different than every other industry, | 我的意思是,这是没有区别 与所有其他行业, |
| 1148 | but here to your point, | 但就你而言, |
| 1149 | this is an industry that's really struggling | 这个行业很艰难 |
| 1150 | and it's gonna continue to get worse | 还会继续恶化 |
| 1151 | if we don't really embrace | 如果我们不真正拥抱 |
| 1152 | some of these modern technologies | 一些现代技术 |
| 1153 | that can come to the rescue. | 那可以来救援。 |
| 1154 | Okay, a couple of fun possible questions for you, Kimberly. | 好吧,给你几个有趣的问题,金伯利 |
| 1155 | One is, are you at all a health and wellness junkie? | 一是,你是不是一个健康与健康瘾君子? |
| 1156 | Like, do you use any of the wearable devices? | 比如,你有没有使用任何可穿戴的装置? |
| 1157 | Are you out getting function tests and maneuver tests? | 你外出接受功能测试和动作测试吗? |
| 1158 | Like, what are some of the things | 像,什么是一些东西 |
| 1159 | that you do in your own life? | 你在自己的生活中做的吗? |
| 1160 | Yeah, I mean, I kind of dabble in it, | 是啊,我的意思是,我有点跳跃在里面, |
| 1161 | but then to the point of, | 但是,然后说, |
| 1162 | I don't feel like the tech is there yet, | 我觉得技术还没到 |
| 1163 | and then I get tired of it. | 然后我就厌倦了 |
| 1164 | So of course I have a smartwatch | 我当然有个聪明的表 |
| 1165 | and I go into my Apple Health, but it's kind of useless. | 我进入我的苹果健康, 但有点无用。 |
| 1166 | I did 23andMe and it's like, okay, | 我做了23和M,这就像,好吧, |
| 1167 | it's telling me a little something, | 它告诉我一些事情, |
| 1168 | but it wasn't very helpful. | 但没有多大帮助。 |
| 1169 | And so I do go to DexaScan | 所以我去德克萨斯坎 |
| 1170 | and just partially because of my age now, | 并且只是部分 因为我的年龄现在, |
| 1171 | women's health is really complicated | 女人的健康很复杂 |
| 1172 | and I'm trying to learn more about it, | 我想多了解一点 |
| 1173 | especially as I go into my later years. | 特别是当我进入我的晚年。 |
| 1174 | And so knowing my bone density and things like that | 所以知道我的骨头密度之类的东西 |
| 1175 | is actually really important. | 这其实很重要。 |
| 1176 | So I care about health and wellness a lot, | 所以我很关心健康和健康, |
| 1177 | but I just actually feel like the tech isn't there yet. | 但我真的觉得技术还没有到 |
| 1178 | DexaScan, that's a very clear cut thing. | DexaScan, 这是一个非常明显的切口的事情。 |
| 1179 | It measures something. | 它测量的东西。 |
| 1180 | I can tell if I need to do more lifting | 我看得出来我还需要多抬一抬 |
| 1181 | or high impact sports or things like that | 或高影响运动或类似的东西 |
| 1182 | to really kind of keep up bone density, that's helpful. | 来保持骨密度 这很有帮助 |
| 1183 | Or if my visceral fat is going in the wrong direction, | 或者如果我的内脏脂肪走错方向了 |
| 1184 | it's like, okay, cut out the wine and cheese kind of thing. | 这就像,好吧, 切出酒和奶酪之类的事情。 |
| 1185 | That I can actually, I can take an action and see a change, | 我实际上可以,我可以采取行动,看到一个变化, |
| 1186 | but on some of these other apps, it hasn't helped. | 但是在其他一些应用软件上, 它没有帮助。 |
| 1187 | So I'm hopeful, but I'm not overly junky about it | 所以我有希望,但我对它没有太不屑 |
| 1188 | because I just don't know how to make it improve my life. | 因为我不知道如何改善我的生活 |
| 1189 | Yeah, I think that's been a historic problem | 是的,我觉得这是一个历史问题 |
| 1190 | is you get a lot of data and then what do you do with it? | 你得到很多数据,然后怎么办? |
| 1191 | And then are the right people accessing it | 然后是合适的人访问它 |
| 1192 | that should be that can help you make sense of it? | 应该能帮助你理解吗? |
| 1193 | I think there's some strides there, but I'm with you | 我想那里有些进步,但我和你在一起 |
| 1194 | that I often still end up going down this path for a while | 我常常会走这条路 |
| 1195 | and then I get bored of it and it's not something | 然后我厌倦了它,它不是什么 |
| 1196 | that I sustain. | 我坚持下去 |
| 1197 | And my other favorite question to ask anybody who's in AI | 还有我最喜欢的问题 问任何人谁是AI |
| 1198 | and spends more time in AI than myself | 并花费更多的时间在AI比我 |
| 1199 | is how polite are you when you're using LLMs? | 你用LLM时有多礼貌? |
| 1200 | Do you say please and thank you? | 你说谢谢吗? |
| 1201 | I'm just worried that I try to, | 我只是担心我试图 |
| 1202 | just because I'm worried that someday | 只是因为我担心有一天 |
| 1203 | it's like gonna be my boss. | 这就像要去 我的老板。 |
| 1204 | Yeah, that's funny. | 是啊,这很有趣。 |
| 1205 | Your personal philosophy on that | 你个人的哲学 |
| 1206 | or are you just very efficient? | 还是你非常有效率? |
| 1207 | Like, hey, get me the stage I need. | 像,嘿,给我 我需要的舞台。 |
| 1208 | I am all over the map. | 我到处都是地图。 |
| 1209 | There are times when it depends on what I'm working on | 有时候,它取决于我的工作 |
| 1210 | that I'm like, if I'm asking for it to do work on my behalf, | 如果我要求它代表我工作 |
| 1211 | there's oftentimes a please there. | 经常有请客 |
| 1212 | When it comes back and it did it wrong, | 当它回来,它做错了, |
| 1213 | it's like, why did you do that? | 这就像,为什么你这样做? |
| 1214 | And I get a little short with it. | 我得到一个有点短。 |
| 1215 | And so I'm kind of all over the map. | 所以我有点在地图上。 |
| 1216 | I don't overthink it. | 我没想太多 |
| 1217 | And I now much more just using my voice | 现在我更用我的声音 |
| 1218 | because when you're typing things, | 因为当你打字的时候 |
| 1219 | you're so intentional about what you're typing. | 你这么故意的打字。 |
| 1220 | And I find now using voice and just speaking more freely | 我发现现在用声音 更自由地说话 |
| 1221 | actually helps the agent get to know you better | 其实能帮助经纪人了解你 |
| 1222 | and works better on your behalf. | 并更好地为你服务。 |
| 1223 | And then you don't have to be so thoughtful | 你不必这么体贴 |
| 1224 | about your words. | 关于你的话。 |
| 1225 | You're just like talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. | 你就像说话,说话,说话,说话。 |
| 1226 | And it goes and it kind of figures it out. | 它去,它有种 找出它。 |
| 1227 | So when you speak it versus type it | 所以当你说对打的时候 |
| 1228 | to you're less rude, I think. | 对你来说,我不太粗鲁 |
| 1229 | Cause you don't wanna hear yourself being a jerk. | 因为你不想听自己是个混蛋 |
| 1230 | So I think in that regard, I'm just more cordial to it | 所以我想,在这方面,我只是更亲切 |
| 1231 | because I'm just kind of using it as having a conversation | 因为我只是把它当作一个谈话 |
| 1232 | like we're having right now. | 就像我们现在有。 |
| 1233 | Yeah, and I was gonna ask you my last question is | 是啊,我本来想问你最后一个问题 |
| 1234 | what is your favorite AI productivity hack | 你最喜欢的人工智能生产率黑客是什么 |
| 1235 | that you use in your own day-to-day work? | 你用在自己的日常工作中吗? |
| 1236 | It sounds like you may have answered it, which is voice, | 听起来你可能已经回答,这就是声音, |
| 1237 | but is there anything else that you would recommend | 但你还有什么建议吗? |
| 1238 | to people that are starting to use AI at work? | 给在工作中开始使用AI的人? |
| 1239 | Maybe they use it a ton, | 也许他们用一吨, |
| 1240 | but maybe it's something that you do | 但也许这是你做的事情 |
| 1241 | that they may not know about. | 以便他们不知道。 |
| 1242 | Yeah, it's probably not that novel, | 是啊,它可能不是 小说, |
| 1243 | but I just love to, I'm going anywhere, I'm talking to it | 但我只是喜欢,我要去任何地方, 我说话它 |
| 1244 | and I'm saying, prep me for this next meeting. | 我说 准备我参加下次会议 |
| 1245 | And then I get the individual's name | 然后我得到个人的名字 |
| 1246 | and I get to go learn about them really, really efficiently. | 我得到去学习 他们真的很,真的很有效。 |
| 1247 | Where did they go to school? | 他们在哪里上学? |
| 1248 | What did they study? | 他们研究了什么? |
| 1249 | What have they said in the news recently? | 他们最近新闻里说了什么? |
| 1250 | And it allows you to be a lot more personal | 这样你就能更亲切一点 |
| 1251 | and present in the given conversation | 并出现在给定的对话中 |
| 1252 | that it would take a long time to do that | 需要很长时间才能做到这一点 |
| 1253 | without these agents going | 没有这些特工去 |
| 1254 | and just recalling all the information for you. | 并且只是回顾所有的信息给你。 |
| 1255 | So I feel like that's my personal favorite hack | 所以我觉得这是我最喜欢的黑客 |
| 1256 | other than doing other administrative work, | 除从事其他行政工作外, |
| 1257 | but it makes me feel like a more present | 但它让我觉得 更像礼物 |
| 1258 | and personal person in the meeting and who I'm meeting with. | 以及我和谁见面的人 |
| 1259 | So I enjoy that part about it. | 所以我喜欢这个部分。 |
| 1260 | This is how I prepped for this podcast. | 这就是我为播客做准备的方式 |
| 1261 | I was like, give me some of Kimberly's favorite | 我当时想 给我一些金伯利最喜欢的 |
| 1262 | or best moments. | 或最好的时刻。 |
| 1263 | And it really gave me a sense of who you were. | 这真的让我感觉到你是谁。 |
| 1264 | And by the way, I love the talk you gave with Fortune | 顺便说一句,我喜欢你和"财富"的谈话 |
| 1265 | where you mentioned the lack of funding for science | 你提到科学缺乏资金 |
| 1266 | and pulled that out. | 并拔出来。 |
| 1267 | So thank you for that. | 谢谢你们 |
| 1268 | And thank you so much for the time today. | 非常感谢你今天能来 |
| 1269 | It was so enjoyable to speak with you. | 很高兴能跟你说话 |
| 1270 | If anybody's listening that wants to get in touch | 如果有人在听 想要联系 |
| 1271 | 与NVIDIA或与你具体, | |
| 1272 | what's a good next step? | 下一步怎么样? |
| 1273 | Oh, you can find me on LinkedIn | 哦,你可以在链接上找到我 内 |
| 1274 | and it comes right to my work email. | 我的工作邮件。 |
| 1275 | Amazing, all right. | 厉害,好吧。 |
| 1276 | Well, thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 1277 | This is super fun and I love your pods. | 这太好玩了 我喜欢你的舱 |
| 1278 | So keep up the great work and all the awareness | 所以,保持伟大的工作 和所有的意识 |
| 1279 | that we can build around AI and healthcare | 我们可以围绕人工智能和医疗 |
| 1280 | is this is the right conversation | 这是对的谈话 |
| 1281 | to have at the right moment. | 在正确的时刻。 |
| 1282 | And so I really appreciate you pulling on me | 我真的很感激你拉着我 |
| 1283 | to be a part of it. | 成为它的一部分。 |
| 1284 | We're super enthusiastic about it. | 我们对此非常热情 |
| 1285 | And I see a future where my daughter is gonna have | 我看到一个未来,我的女儿将拥有 |
| 1286 | a way better healthcare than I have. | 一个比我更好的保健方法。 |
| 1287 | And that's a good thing. | 且道个甚么. |
| 1288 | I have two daughters and one son. | 我有两个女儿和一个儿子。 |
| 1289 | So I'm also rallying for that future | 所以我也在为未来而奋斗 |
| 1290 | and we will have to have you on again. | 我们必须让你再次出现。 |
| 1291 | All right, wonderful. | 好极了,不错 |
| 1292 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 1293 | That's a wrap on Lifes. | 这是关于生活。 |
| 1294 | If you know someone else grinding it out in healthcare, | 如果你知道别人在保健领域磨磨它 |
| 1295 | send them this episode. | 送他们这集。 |
| 1296 | And if you want more unfiltered takes on digital health, | 如果你想要更多的未过滤 数字健康, |
| 1297 | check out the Second Opinion newsletter, | 看看第二意见通讯, |
| 1298 | link in the show notes. | 链接。 |
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