泽连斯基在FT专访中直言：强硬的乌克兰才符合美国最根本利益
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| 0:00 | So, there have been reports in the last few days that America has taken the extraordinary | 所以,过去几天有报道说 美国采取了非凡的, |
| 0:07 | step of threatening to cut intelligence sharing and arms supplies if you don't stop attacking | 威胁要切断情报分享和武器供应 如果你不停止攻击 |
| 0:14 | oil refineries in Russia. | 俄罗斯炼油厂. |
| 0:17 | Has America, have American officials explicitly made this threat? | 美国官员是否明确发出这种威胁? |
| 0:22 | We had really ballistic attacks, it was three days ago, and we didn't get the information | 我们真的有弹道攻击, 这是三天前, 我们没有得到信息 |
| 0:27 | that these ballistic attacks will be. | 这些弹道攻击将会是。 |
| 0:31 | And we can see on the last seconds, yes, by our own capabilities. | 我们可以看到最后的几秒钟, 是的,根据我们自己的能力。 |
| 0:38 | So we, of course, we connected with partners on different levels of military people, and | 因此,我们,当然,我们联系伙伴 不同级别的军人,和 |
| 0:46 | they said some technological questions. | 他们说了一些技术问题。 |
| 0:51 | Then at night today, at night, this night, massive ballistic attack and drones attack, | 然后在今天的晚上, 在晚上,在今晚, 大规模弹道攻击和无人机攻击, |
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| 1 | So, there have been reports in the last few days that America has taken the extraordinary | 所以,过去几天有报道说 美国采取了非凡的, |
| 2 | step of threatening to cut intelligence sharing and arms supplies if you don't stop attacking | 威胁要切断情报分享和武器供应 如果你不停止攻击 |
| 3 | oil refineries in Russia. | 俄罗斯炼油厂. |
| 4 | Has America, have American officials explicitly made this threat? | 美国官员是否明确发出这种威胁? |
| 5 | We had really ballistic attacks, it was three days ago, and we didn't get the information | 我们真的有弹道攻击, 这是三天前, 我们没有得到信息 |
| 6 | that these ballistic attacks will be. | 这些弹道攻击将会是。 |
| 7 | And we can see on the last seconds, yes, by our own capabilities. | 我们可以看到最后的几秒钟, 是的,根据我们自己的能力。 |
| 8 | So we, of course, we connected with partners on different levels of military people, and | 因此,我们,当然,我们联系伙伴 不同级别的军人,和 |
| 9 | they said some technological questions. | 他们说了一些技术问题。 |
| 10 | Then at night today, at night, this night, massive ballistic attack and drones attack, | 然后在今天的晚上, 在晚上,在今晚, 大规模弹道攻击和无人机攻击, |
| 11 | again we have this block, block or technical problem or will, I don't know. | 再说一遍,我们有这个障碍, 障碍或技术问题,或者会,我不知道。 |
| 12 | Which do you think it is? | 你觉得是哪个? |
| 13 | I can say what I think and I can say what I know. | 我可以说出我的想法,我可以说出我知道的。 |
| 14 | So what I know that Starlink was pushed to slow speed, yes? | 我所知道的是,星际链接被推向了慢速,是吗? |
| 15 | It was not the technical problem, it was the will. | 这不是技术问题,而是意志问题。 |
| 16 | We understand what's going on because it was everywhere. | 我们理解这是怎么回事 因为到处都是 |
| 17 | In the territory of the capital of all the Ukraine where we use Starlinks, we saw this. | 在所有乌克兰首都的领土上 我们用星际链接,我们看到了这一点。 |
| 18 | Also on the battlefield where we use it for mid-strikes, we couldn't decide to use it, | 在战场上 我们无法决定使用它 |
| 19 | we saw this. | 我们看到了这个。 |
| 20 | Then when we give food and water to our soldiers who are blocked, you know, in the gray zones | 然后,当我们给我们的士兵 食物和水, 他们被堵住,你知道, 在灰色地带 |
| 21 | and they said, what is the most important of using Starlinks? | 他们说,什么是最重要的 使用星际链接? |
| 22 | Of course, we are thankful to partners, but what is the most important? | 当然,我们感谢伙伴,但最重要的是什么? |
| 23 | Because when you have problems with logistics, you need to save life. | 因为当物流有问题的时候,你需要拯救生命. |
| 24 | Everything doesn't matter at this moment. | 此时一切不思议. |
| 25 | And at this very moment, we use only our drones, our different, from infrastructure or robotized | 此时此刻,我们只使用我们的无人机 不同于基础设施或机器人 |
| 26 | systems, drones which can on a high speed bring food, water, other things. | 无人机能以高速的速度带来食物、水和其他东西。 |
| 27 | If it's slow, it will be destroyed. | 若其缓缓,必毁之. |
| 28 | Have you, forgive me, have you spoken to Elon Musk about this? | 原谅我 你和伊隆·穆斯克谈过这个吗 |
| 29 | Have you contacted him about this? | 你联系过他吗? |
| 30 | During this period, we've got our military people, not me personally. | 在此期间,我们得到了我们的军人,而不是我个人. |
| 31 | We've got, don't attack because maybe you will have problems with intelligence. | 我们得到了,不要攻击 因为也许你会有 与智能的问题。 |
| 32 | So this is the answer. | 这就是答案。 |
| 33 | When you say they want it or it was some technological problems, I can say they said that it's technological | 当你说他们想要的时候 或者说这是一些技术问题, 我可以说,他们说这是技术 |
| 34 | problems on some level, but on military level before they said that if you will not stop, | 某种程度上的问题,但是在军事上 他们之前说,如果你不会停止, |
| 35 | we will block intelligence. | 我们会封锁情报 |
| 36 | This is, I think, the problem. | 我想这就是问题所在 |
| 37 | And when it goes together with Starlink's decision, which is 100% the decision of American | 当它与Starlink的决定, 这是100%的决定 美国 |
| 38 | side, again, I don't know, SpaceX or government, I think that not military people. | 再说一遍,我不知道,SpaceX或政府, 我认为不是军人。 |
| 39 | I think it's about SpaceX. | 我认为这是关于SpaceX。 |
| 40 | So together, it makes huge problems. | 因此,它共同造成了巨大的问题。 |
| 41 | Just to return to the threat, then you're saying that it was made at the military level. | 仅仅为了回到威胁,然后你说这是在军事层面制造的. |
| 42 | This was made by senior American military people to your military people. | 这是美国高级军人给你的军人做的 |
| 43 | It was not made by politicians to politicians. | 这不是政客对政治家们提出的。 |
| 44 | It was soldiers to soldiers. | 这是士兵对士兵。 |
| 45 | It was made this way, as I said, but it's understandable that politicians use another | 正如我所说,这是用这种方式做的 但政治家们使用另一种 |
| 46 | format of giving you messages. | 发送消息的格式。 |
| 47 | But for me, what was it? | 但对我来说,是什么? |
| 48 | I mean, pressure doesn't work and they know, but what works when President Trump said it | 我的意思是,压力不起作用,他们知道, 但什么是有效的,当总统特朗普说 |
| 49 | in parallel way, said that energy ceasefire, and I support it, I'm openly and honestly, | 同时,我说,能源停火, 我支持它,我公开和诚实, |
| 50 | I support it. | 我赞成 |
| 51 | And he said, and that's why, not because of signals from anybody, but it's not the problem. | 他说,这就是为什么,不是因为任何人的信号, 但这不是问题所在。 |
| 52 | The reason is not important. | 原因并不重要。 |
| 53 | The result is important. | 结果很重要。 |
| 54 | But he said, energy ceasefire, and I said, look, President said, okay, we didn't speak | 但他说,能源停火, 我说,你看,总统说, 好吧,我们没有说话 |
| 55 | with him about it, but he said, let's support. | 和他谈这个,但他说,让我们支持。 |
| 56 | I said to my military people that we don't attack during energy ceasefire, Russian refineries | 我对军队说,在能源停火期间 我们不进攻,俄罗斯炼油厂 |
| 57 | and everything what connects with diesel, because if we will attack, even if we are | 和一切与柴油连接, 因为如果我们要攻击,即使我们是 |
| 58 | right and we are right, of course, somebody will say, I don't know what side, but they | 没错,我们是对的,当然,有人会说, 我不知道哪边,但他们 |
| 59 | will say that we broke energy ceasefire. | 将说,我们违反了能源停火。 |
| 60 | I don't want to play this game. | 我不想玩这个游戏。 |
| 61 | Yes, we have big experience not to play this game, not to be involved. | 是的,我们有丰富的经验 不玩这个游戏, 不参与。 |
| 62 | That's why three days we didn't attack any energy, diesel and et cetera systems of Russia, | 所以我们三天没攻击俄国的能源 柴油等系统 |
| 63 | and three days they attack us. | 他们袭击我们三天 |
| 64 | But if Thursday it was just gas station and some petrol infrastructure, and second, not | 但是如果星期四只是加油站和一些汽油基础设施 第二,不是 |
| 65 | The sore day at night, today, they directly attacked all the energy main infrastructure | 白天晚上,今天,他们直接攻击所有能源主要基础设施 |
| 66 | objects in Ukraine, mostly in the capital and not only Kharkiv and other cities, but | 乌克兰的物体,大多在首都,不仅在哈尔科夫和其他城市,而且 |
| 67 | mostly ballistic came to the capital, yes. | 弹道学大多是到首都来的 |
| 68 | So they did it. | 所以他们做到了。 |
| 69 | So if they keep doing this, how much longer will you maintain the stoppage of attacks | 所以,如果他们继续这样做, 你会维持多久 停止攻击 |
| 70 | on Russian refineries? | 在俄罗斯炼油厂? |
| 71 | That's it. | 就这样 |
| 72 | Block is out. | 布洛克出来了 |
| 73 | Today's evening, I said to my military people, after they again killed, I killed today after | 今天晚上,我对我的军人说, 他们再次杀死,我今天杀死之后 |
| 74 | such massive attack, I didn't hear messages from president of the United States, because | 如此大规模的攻击,我没有听到 美国总统的消息,因为 |
| 75 | maybe a little bit later we will hear. | 一会儿再说吧 |
| 76 | And then in Lutsk and again in some other cities, they attacked again, killed a lot | 然后在卢茨克和其他一些城市, 他们再次进攻,杀死了很多 |
| 77 | of people, just civilians, all of them, just civilians, no military people, just civilians. | 只有平民,他们所有人,只有平民,没有军人,只有平民。 |
| 78 | You're sounding, Mr. President, deeply frustrated with America and with the Trump administration. | 总统先生,你对美国和特朗普政府深感失望 |
| 79 | After this, after these few days, how can you trust them to be a mediator? | 在这之后,在这几天之后,你怎么能相信他们成为调解人呢? |
| 80 | Our goal piece. | 我们的目标 |
| 81 | And only in unity we can get it with such a big aggressor. | 只有团结起来,我们才能与这样一个大侵略者取得胜利。 |
| 82 | It's a big aggressor, Russia, yes, we can't, we don't forget it and they don't give us | 这是一个大的侵略者,俄罗斯,是的,我们不能,我们不会忘记它,他们不会给我们 |
| 83 | possibility to forget, it's true. | 有可能忘记,这是真的。 |
| 84 | Only unity can stop them. | 只有团结才能阻止他们。 |
| 85 | And of course, United States and Europe can do it, of course, I'm sure. | 当然,美国和欧洲可以做到这一点, 当然,我相信。 |
| 86 | I'm sure. | 我当然知道 |
| 87 | I said to the president, we can do it very quickly. | 我对总统说 我们可以很快做到 |
| 88 | If you will not close Starlink for us, if you will open Starlink on the territory of | 如果你不为我们关闭星际链接, 如果你要打开星际链接 在领地上, |
| 89 | Russia, we will destroy his ballistic launchers. | 俄罗斯,我们将摧毁他的弹道发射器。 |
| 90 | And that's it. | 且道. |
| 91 | For him, that's it. | 对于他来说,就是这样。 |
| 92 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 93 | He will sit and speak. | 他会坐下来说话。 |
| 94 | And I will not destroy any energy objects. | 我不会破坏任何能量物体。 |
| 95 | I don't need it. | 我不需要这个 |
| 96 | Yes, ballistic, this is only one thing. | 是的,弹道,这只是一件事。 |
| 97 | He can't do anything on the territory of Ukraine for today. | 他今天不能在乌克兰境内做任何事情. |
| 98 | Only with big losses, he can move one kilometre, two kilometre, ten kilometres and, you know, | 只有损失很大,他才能移动一公里,两公里,十公里,而且,你知道, |
| 99 | a lot of losses. | 很多损失 |
| 100 | The result of these kilometres. | 这些公里的结果。 |
| 101 | So that's why, that was my signal. | 这就是为什么,这是我的信号。 |
| 102 | Give us Starlink, open it for us. | 给我们Starlink,打开它给我们。 |
| 103 | But they closed it. | 但他们关闭了它。 |
| 104 | They didn't make it wider, they make it smaller. | 他们没有让它更宽, 他们让它更小。 |
| 105 | So it's a very serious, very serious mistake. | 所以这是一个非常严重,非常严重的错误. |
| 106 | You need the intelligence and the Starlink. | 你需要情报和星际关系 |
| 107 | Sorry, I think it's important that if we will not have unity with the United States | 对不起,我认为这很重要 如果我们不与美国团结一致 |
| 108 | and Europe, it's a longer way. | 在欧洲,这是一个更长的路。 |
| 109 | Americans are on our side. | 美国人站在我们这边 |
| 110 | Oh, really? | 是吗? |
| 111 | I know that the majority of the United States supports Ukraine. | 我知道,大多数美国支持乌克兰。 |
| 112 | Yeah, I understand a lot of challenges the president has and Iran and the total Middle | 是的,我理解很多挑战 总统,伊朗和整个中间 |
| 113 | East, this crisis and all this oil crisis, we understand the roots are there, not in | 东方,这场危机和所有石油危机, 我们知道根源在那里,而不是在 |
| 114 | Ukraine. | 乌克兰。 |
| 115 | Yes, and the elections and a lot of things what he's thinking about. | 是的,选举和很多事情 他在想什么。 |
| 116 | But somebody is moving him not correctly to not right side. | 但有人把他移到不正确的一边 |
| 117 | Yes, that's why. | 是的,这就是原因。 |
| 118 | Can we stop Putin? | 我们能阻止普京吗? |
| 119 | Yes. | 对 |
| 120 | Can we come to negotiation? | 我们能来谈判吗? |
| 121 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 122 | Can it be as quick as possible? | 能快点吗? |
| 123 | I'm sure. | 我当然知道 |
| 124 | But if you will ask, Putin is comfortable now. | 但是如果你要问的话,普京现在很自在. |
| 125 | Yes. | 对 |
| 126 | You need American intelligence, Starlink and a weaponry. | 你需要美国情报 星灵和武器 |
| 127 | So how are you going to repair this relationship? | 那你打算怎么修复这种关系? |
| 128 | We didn't destroy any relations. | 我们没有破坏任何关系。 |
| 129 | So be open, clear and with dignity. | 故开明清净庄严. |
| 130 | It doesn't mean that you are a destroyer. | 这并不意味着你是一个驱逐舰。 |
| 131 | I'm an honest partner of the president of the United States, not because of personalities, | 我是美国总统的诚实搭档 不是因为个性 |
| 132 | because Ukraine is a strategic partner of the United States. | 因为乌克兰是美国的战略伙伴。 |
| 133 | It's like between us and UK. | 就像我们和英国之间一样 |
| 134 | It's like between UK and EU. | 类似英国和欧盟之间. |
| 135 | It can't be another way. | 这不可能是另一种方式。 |
| 136 | I mean, we will lose everything because Russia can fight with all of us only when we are | 我的意思是,我们将失去一切 因为俄罗斯可以与我们所有人战斗,只有当我们是 |
| 137 | not together. | 不是一起来的 |
| 138 | Isn't it better for you to give a unilateral declaration, if you like, that you will not | 单方声明,如果你喜欢,你不会 |
| 139 | Russian refineries, even if Russia is still striking your energy infrastructure in order | 俄罗斯的炼油厂,即使俄罗斯仍在攻击你们的能源基础设施 |
| 140 | to get the Trump administration back on side? | 让特朗普政府重新站在一起? |
| 141 | When you are not the first year in a war and you don't look at your first step and the | 当你不是第一年 在战争中,你不看 你的第一步和 |
| 142 | second, you look what will be in some steps later. | 第二,你看看以后会怎样 |
| 143 | Otherwise, you will lose everything. | 否则,你会失去一切。 |
| 144 | So I know that if such moment will come and such diesel deal will move Ukraine to be silent, | 所以我知道如果这一刻到来 这样的柴油交易会让乌克兰保持沉默 |
| 145 | I mean this on the battlefield, don't respond after their attacks. | 我是说在战场上 别在他们攻击后回应 |
| 146 | The question will be when the next deal will be. | 问题就在于下个交易何时进行. |
| 147 | And all these deals, diesel, maybe the next will be gas. | 所有这些交易,柴油, 也许下一个将是天然气。 |
| 148 | Definitely, it will be gas. | 绝对是汽油 |
| 149 | Who will get money and who will spend this money and on what? | 谁能拿到钱,谁能花这些钱? |
| 150 | Not to rebuild Ukraine, I think. | 我想不是重建乌克兰 |
| 151 | Not to support us, I think so. | 不是支持我们,我想是的。 |
| 152 | It will go oppositely. | 会相反的 |
| 153 | Possibility to increase the production because much money, a lot of money, a lot of | 可能增加产量 因为很多钱,很多钱,很多 |
| 154 | fundings and contracts and etc. | 供资和合同等 |
| 155 | from oil and diesel, from gas and I don't know. | 从石油和柴油, 从天然气和我不知道。 |
| 156 | I mean this weapon, it doesn't mean that you have a gun. | 我是说这个武器 不代表你有枪 |
| 157 | Weapon is money when you can produce millions of guns. | 武器是金钱 当你可以生产数百万的枪。 |
| 158 | This is a weapon and that's why we can't support increasing fundings for Russia. | 这是一个武器, 这就是为什么我们不能支持 增加对俄罗斯的资助。 |
| 159 | What if you don't have America? | 如果你没有美国呢? |
| 160 | What do you need from Europe if it's just Europe and Ukraine? | 如果只是欧洲和乌克兰 你需要什么? |
| 161 | Europe's sanctions are painful for him. | 欧洲的制裁对他来说是痛苦的. |
| 162 | Yes, it doesn't stop him, not enough, but sensitive. | 是的,它没有阻止他, 不够,但敏感。 |
| 163 | The problem that Europe also get some energy resources from Russia. | 欧洲也从俄罗斯获得一些能源的问题. |
| 164 | So when we say can you do something without America, today it's very difficult. | 所以,当我们说你能做一些没有美国的事情, 今天是非常困难的。 |
| 165 | I mean this, can you fight when you have the unity of Europe and be strong? | 我的意思是,你能战斗 当你有欧洲的统一 和强壮? |
| 166 | Yes, but the problem is what does it mean, unity of Europe? | 是的,但问题在于,欧洲的统一意味着什么? |
| 167 | On a lot of questions we had together, but then for example for somebody they said look, | 在很多问题上,我们在一起, 但然后举例来说,有人 他们说看, |
| 168 | I'm not ready for oil embargo from Russia or I'm not ready from nuclear stations, | 我还没准备好接受俄罗斯的石油禁运 或者我还没准备好接受核电站的石油禁运 |
| 169 | yes, for nuclear energy, yes, to block it, to put sanctions on nuclear stations of Russia | 是的,因为核能,是的,封锁它, 制裁俄罗斯的核电站 |
| 170 | or nuclear companies, yeah, so not ready another company. | 或核公司, 是的,所以没有准备好 另一家公司。 |
| 171 | Europe has to be strong and united urgently because there are a lot of different risks, | 欧洲必须强大和紧急团结 因为有很多不同的风险 |
| 172 | not only with Ukraine, there are risks they are bordering across the borders, | 他们不仅与乌克兰交界,而且有跨越边界的危险, |
| 173 | yes, in the sky now without land forces, but in the sky using drones with Romania, | 是的,在天空,现在没有陆地力量, 但在天空使用无人机与罗马尼亚, |
| 174 | with Moldova, with Germany already, it's with Germany, with Poland, we see all of these, | 与摩尔多瓦,与德国已经, 它与德国,与波兰,我们看到所有这些, |
| 175 | Bulgaria, we see all of these, I mean there's a lot of countries already, | 保加利亚,我们看到所有这些, 我的意思是,已经有许多国家, |
| 176 | there is hybrid wars, it's hybrid operation, yes, not still massive operation, | 有混合战争,这是混合行动,是的,不是仍然大规模行动, |
| 177 | but it's like with the cold water, you know, in the sea, one, two, three, try then you will swim, | 但它就像与冷水, 你知道,在海里, 一,二,三,尝试然后你会游泳, |
| 178 | yes, a little bit later, this is Putin, he's trying. | 是的,稍晚,这是普京,他在努力。 |
| 179 | When you look at the state of politics across the EU when we have a lot of elections coming up and a | 当你看到整个欧盟的政局, 当我们有许多选举即将来临, |
| 180 | lot of far-right parties gaining in strength, skeptical about supporting Ukraine, this must | 许多极右翼政党都获得了力量, 对支持乌克兰持怀疑态度, |
| 181 | be a big cause of concern for you. | 成为你担心的大麻烦 |
| 182 | Of course a lot of challenges it will bring, not can, | 当然,它会带来许多挑战,不能, |
| 183 | will, we understand it, we can estimate now that changing policy can be yes, | 我们理解,现在我们可以估计 改变政策是肯定的, |
| 184 | but still we have to, we will need to try to find dialogue with everybody, with everybody. | 但是,我们仍然必须,我们需要努力找到与每个人的对话,与每个人的对话。 |
| 185 | We interviewed Marine Le Pen this week and she said the honest thing to say to you was | 我们本周采访了Marine Le Pen 她说实话实说 |
| 186 | no more money, we can't do any more money, and that she would stop | 没有钱了,我们再也不能做钱了 她会停下来的 |
| 187 | financing Ukraine after six months of winning the presidency. | 在乌克兰赢得主席职位6个月后为乌克兰提供资金。 |
| 188 | Do you, how do you persuade her otherwise? | 你怎么说服她? |
| 189 | I will not vote for her because I'm Ukrainian. | 我不会投给她 因为我是乌克兰人 |
| 190 | I think that the experience of our army technologically | 我认为我们军队的经验 技术上 |
| 191 | very important for the partners, UK, United States, France are among these partners | 对于伙伴来说非常重要的是,联合王国、美国、法国是这些伙伴之一。 |
| 192 | and I think French industry only win, can win with these technologies, | 我认为法国工业只有赢 才能用这些技术赢 |
| 193 | with this cooperation in co-production and it's not to pay Ukraine for today, | 合作合作制作 今天不付乌克兰钱 |
| 194 | we are not in the first and the second year of the war, yes it's to help Ukraine be strong | 我们不是在战争的第一年和第二年, 是帮助乌克兰强壮。 |
| 195 | and Ukraine will give back security for somebody, for somebody's experience, it's up to them how to | 乌克兰会把安全还给某个人 某人的经验 取决于他们如何 |
| 196 | its security and experience, by the way the price is not so high as people's lives, that's why I | 它的安全和经验, 顺便说一句, 价格不是那么高 人民的生命, 这就是为什么我 |
| 197 | think that Madame Le Pen is not deeply with some details, we give back and this is very important. | 觉得勒庞夫人不太了解一些细节 我们退回去 这很重要 |
| 198 | The most, by the way, the most strong system, anti-ballistic and anti-cruise missiles | 顺便说一句,最强大的系统,反弹和反核导弹 |
| 199 | and etc, the air defense, this is French air defense, yes with Italy, with cooperation with | 等,空防,这是法国的空防,是的,与意大利合作 |
| 200 | other countries and it's there, but it's French, yeah, but she like a politician and she wants to | 不过是法国人,但她喜欢政客,她想 |
| 201 | be a president in any way, she needs, I think so, to be sure, otherwise for what this production is | 不管怎么说,她需要,我认为,确定, 否则,这个制作是什么 |
| 202 | to be sure that she has the strongest European system which works, we made a lot of different | 为了保证她有最强的欧洲系统, 我们做了很多不同的 |
| 203 | changes there in the system together with French guys because they saw how it worked | 和法国人一起改变制度 因为他们看到它是如何运作的 |
| 204 | and how it works now, different things, the same with, we worked with scalps, missiles, | 和它如何工作, 不同的东西, 同样的,我们工作的头皮,导弹, |
| 205 | we are thankful and the same with other kind of weapons and security, also including | 我们同样感谢其他类型的武器和安全,包括: |
| 206 | with the cyber experience which we have, nobody had cyber attacks, so not only just weapon as a | 我们的网络经验显示 没有人受到网络攻击 所以不仅仅是武器 |
| 207 | weapon, yeah, so I think to my mind that it's win-win for us, it's, I mean we don't have | 武器,是的,所以我想,这对我们来说是双赢的, 我的意思是,我们没有 |
| 208 | really win because they get the security and they have experience, this experience, I mean | 真正的胜利,因为他们得到了安全 他们有经验,这个经验,我的意思是 |
| 209 | you can't test it in reality, you can't test it in this weapon, all the tanks, all, can you imagine, | 你无法在现实中测试, 你无法测试它在这个武器, 所有的坦克,所有,你能想象, |
| 210 | all Europe, of course, and it was right before this war, spent billions for tanks, | 整个欧洲,当然, 而且就在这场战争之前, 花费了数十亿用于坦克, |
| 211 | for armed vehicles, for a lot of munitions and a lot of things which are not useful | 对于武装车辆, 对于很多的弹药 和很多不有用的东西 |
| 212 | after these last two years, so our experience gives the experience of this war to the countries | 过去两年之后,我们的经验 将这场战争的经验给了各国 |
| 213 | which will not spend billions for the tanks and etc, they have to spend money for other things | 它们不会花数十亿 用于坦克等等, 他们不得不花钱 其他的东西 |
| 214 | without us, I mean this, it's cheaper, it's really, I mean this clever people, they said look, you | 没有我们,我的意思是,它更便宜, 它真的,我的意思是,这些聪明的人, 他们说,看,你 |
| 215 | saved billions for us, for our budget, just really billions, this is what we do, and we exchange | 为我们节省了数十亿美元, 为我们的预算,只是数十亿美元, 这是我们所做的,我们交换 |
| 216 | technologies with different types of Iranians, Iranians have missiles and drones for thousand | 伊朗人拥有导弹和无人驾驶飞机 |
| 217 | kilometers plus, who in Europe has massive possibilities of massive attack or defend | 在欧洲,他们有大规模攻击或防御的可能 |
| 218 | thousand of drones which are four thousand kilometers plus distance, nobody, how you can | 1000架无人机,四千公里外,无人,你怎么能 |
| 219 | get this information, you can't, we share it, we share this. | 得到这个信息,你不能,我们分享,我们分享这个。 |
| 220 | Just two or three days ago President | 两三天前,总统 |
| 221 | Trump effectively gave President Putin relief from sanctions in return for diesel oil, | 特朗普有效地让普京总统免于制裁以换取柴油, |
| 222 | what's your understanding of the nature of the relationship between President Trump and | 你对特朗普总统和 |
| 223 | President Putin? | 普京总统? |
| 224 | I think President Trump's such man that he speaks about it, I mean | 我认为川普总统是这么一个人 他谈论它,我的意思是 |
| 225 | openly and loudly that he loves such people and he respects such people because for him, I don't | 公开而大声地说他爱这样的人 他尊重这样的人 因为对于他,我不 |
| 226 | know, people who can be leaders 20 years, 30 years, 40 years, it's been that very strong | 20年、30年、40年 都这么强壮 |
| 227 | because you can, I mean, hold the power, so I think, it seems to me, I don't know, but | 因为你可以,我的意思是,握住权力, 所以我想,在我看来,我不知道,但 |
| 228 | money, very rich, this is the richest man, this is the first rich man, Putin, the second, Musk, | 钱,非常富有,这是最富有的人, 这是第一个富有的人,普京,第二个穆斯克, |
| 229 | I think that, no, it's not, I'm not comparing them, I think they're in, how to say it, | 我认为,不,这不是, 我没有比较他们, 我认为他们是英寸 |
| 230 | in one restaurant, not street food. | 在一个餐厅,不是街上的食物。 |
| 231 | To what extent also is business affected, do you think? | 你觉得生意也受到多大程度的影响? |
| 232 | Business is interesting between the United States and Russia, I think that they want to have | 美国和俄罗斯之间的生意很有趣 我想他们想要 |
| 233 | energy projects and I think that a lot and that of course for them is difficult to have when there | 能源项目,我认为很多 当然,对于他们来说,很难有 当那里 |
| 234 | is a war in Europe, I mean this politically is not simple because everybody will want to ask | 这是一场欧洲战争,我的意思是,这在政治上并不容易 因为每个人都想问 |
| 235 | how it can be, how it can be when some people are surviving, fighting, dying and you make some | 当一些人存活下来,战斗,死亡,你制造一些 |
| 236 | business with the guys with such aggression, yeah, so a lot of risks, a lot of political challenges. | 和那些有这种侵略性的人做生意 对 风险很大 政治挑战很多 |
| 237 | This is not the first time you've faced this very intense pressure from the Trump administration, | 这不是你第一次面对 川普政府的强烈压力 |
| 238 | but in the past it's the Europeans who've helped build bridges again with America, | 但过去是欧洲人 帮助与美国再建桥梁 |
| 239 | usually by persuading you to change your tone with the Trump administration, | 通常通过说服你改变你与川普政府的语气, |
| 240 | are they putting pressure on you again to do the same thing? | 他们又对你施压 让你做同样的事情吗? |
| 241 | No, really no, I feel support, it's not about me, if it's about some personal things that's | 不,真的不,我觉得支持, 它不关我的事, 如果它是关于一些个人的事情, |
| 242 | like Ukrainians are the leader or let's make elections, I'm okay with this, so for me it's | 像乌克兰人是领袖,或者让我们进行选举, 我同意这一点,所以对我来说它是 |
| 243 | rhetoric, no personally I think that it's a mistake to speak about this because it's not supported me | 夸夸其谈,我个人不认为说这个是错误的,因为它不支持我 |
| 244 | and for what I don't know, but it doesn't matter, doesn't matter and Americans will not like such | 对于我不知道的,但没关系, 没关系,美国人不会喜欢这样 |
| 245 | rhetoric, I think so, so it's not helpful for president also, so it's not, I mean this is not, | 我想是的 所以对总统也无济于事 所以不是 我是说不是 |
| 246 | but I'm not holding this cheer that I am the president, I will be the president for 30 years, | 但我不会为我当总统而欢呼 我将成为30年的总统 |
| 247 | no, oh no, never, yeah, that's why I don't, I mean this is rhetoric, it's something personal, | 不,哦,不,从来没有,是的, 这就是为什么我不,我的意思是,这是夸夸其谈, 这是私人的东西, |
| 248 | for me it doesn't matter, matters that Putin feels no pressure, matters when he feels no pressure, | 对我而言 这不重要 普京没有压力 也没有压力 |
| 249 | he attacks, because he, you know, how did in English he tremendous, | 他攻击,因为他,你知道, 如何在英语他巨大的, |
| 250 | yeah, oh you got the tremendous kick out of it, yeah, it's, he likes this, | 是啊,哦,你得到了巨大的踢出它, 是的,这是,他喜欢这个, |
| 251 | we, the situation, the dividing between Europe and United States or Ukraine and United States, | 我们,局势,欧洲和美国或乌克兰和美国之间的分裂, |
| 252 | it helps him to unite his nation, it helps him to feel success, it helps him to increase | 帮助他团结国家 帮助他感到成功 帮助他提高 |
| 253 | people during his elections, not the votes, I mean this, not that they support him, no, | 他选举期间的人,不是选票, 我的意思是,不是他们支持他,不, |
| 254 | he will calculate by himself, but people will come, a lot of people are coming, so it helps him, | 他将自己计算, 但人们会来, 很多人会来, |
| 255 | you know, to feel this, that he's not losing, that he's prevailing, he's not prevailing, | 你知道,感受这一点, 他没有输, 他的流行, 他没有流行, |
| 256 | I mean this is, I mean this, in this war, in technological war, one month he, second month we, | 我的意思是,我是说,在这场战争中, 在技术战争中,一个月他,第二个月我们, |
| 257 | so this is, that's why we need to stop this war, to end this war, because now it's a pity that in | 因此,这就是为什么我们需要停止这场战争, 结束这场战争, 因为现在这是一个遗憾,在 |
| 258 | this technological war, United States, I mean this helped him, I mean not because they want or not, | 这场技术战争,美国,我的意思是 这帮助了他,我的意思不是因为他们想要或不想要, |
| 259 | I don't know, as we spoke about, Starlink, but in situation is this, and we always had | 我不知道,就像我们谈到的,星灵, 但情况是这样,我们一直有 |
| 260 | some technological, you know, steps further, quicker, and etc., and these steps from the | 一些技术,你知道,步骤 进一步,更快,等等, 这些步骤从 |
| 261 | United States been dangerous for us, intelligence, Starlink, it's dangerous, when it comes together, | 美国对我们来说是危险的, 情报,星际关系,这是危险的, 当它合起来, |
| 262 | it's dangerous, of course we will find a way out, but better to stop Putin, | 这很危险,我们当然会找到出路, 但最好阻止普京, |
| 263 | not to give him the new life, or the new will to fight. | 不要给他新的生活, 或新的战斗意志。 |
| 264 | My last short question, | 我最后一个简短的问题, |
| 265 | you've had a crisis in relations with the Trump administration before, last February, it was in | 去年2月你和特朗普政府发生关系危机 |
| 266 | last year, and what have you learnt about dealing with Donald Trump, and how to deal with him? | 去年 你对唐纳德·特朗普的处理 和如何对付他学到了什么? |
| 267 | How to deal, it's, I think that we had good communication, we had several meetings, | 如何处理,这是, 我认为我们有良好的沟通, 我们有过几次会议, |
| 268 | we've been positive, we tried to make some plans how to end the war, maybe not everything is ideal | 我们一直很积极,我们试图制定一些计划 如何结束战争,也许不是一切都是理想的 |
| 269 | there, yes, war in this, but it's dialogue. | 战争就是对话 |
| 270 | Putin is an enemy for us, and he is a real evil of today, | 普京是我们的敌人,他是今天的真正邪恶 |
| 271 | of today, I mean absolutely. | 今天,我的意思是绝对的。 |
| 272 | How Trump can befriend with him? | 特朗普怎么能和他成为朋友? |
| 273 | I think that it's a mistake, | 我认为这是一个错误, |
| 274 | it's his choice, again and again, so we are fighting for freedom, and for our rights to choose what we | 这是他的选择,一次又一次, 所以我们在为自由而战, 我们的权利选择我们 |
| 275 | want, the way of life, so it's the choice of President Trump, so we don't want to be involved | 想要,生活方式, 所以这是特朗普总统的选择, 所以我们不想参与 |
| 276 | on some things, the diesel deal, I don't want to be involved, if he attacks us, we will respond, | 有些事情,柴油交易, 我不想参与, 如果他攻击我们,我们会回应, |
| 277 | it's our rule, don't involve us to some diesel deals. | 这是我们的规矩 别让我们卷入一些柴油交易 |
| 278 | If you ask us to help with the situation, | 如果你要求我们帮忙 |
| 279 | of course, like the partners, we will help, but we're asking you, so energies is fire, | 当然,像合伙人一样,我们会帮助, 但我们在问你,所以能量就是火, |
| 280 | if not energies is fire, it doesn't depend on you, okay, the question, can you give me missiles for | 如果不是能量就是火, 它不取决于你, 好吧,问题,你能给我导弹吗? |
| 281 | Patriot, because when I will not attack them, because you asked me not to attack them, | 爱国者,因为当我不会攻击他们, 因为你让我不要攻击他们, |
| 282 | they will attack me, it's fair if you will give me with what to defend, it's the minimum what I ask, | 他们会攻击我,如果你给我什么来辩护, 这是公平的,这是最起码的我要求, |
| 283 | no, I think yes, and when I'm asking this, your answer is blocking Sterling, | 不,我想是的,当我问这个, 你的答案是阻止斯特林, |
| 284 | so how to deal with this, to speak more, to explain more, and to hold position, our position, | 因此,如何处理这一点, 说更多, 解释更多, 并坚持立场,我们的立场, |
| 285 | the position of Ukraine, of our people, that's what I do. | 乌克兰的立场,我们人民的立场, 这就是我要做的。 |
| 286 | Mr. President, thank you very much. | 主席先生,非常感谢你。 |
| 287 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
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