撕下脱欧谎言！首相伯纳姆：英国应该权衡与欧盟的关系，包括考虑
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | I am very clear, and I will say this bluntly, Brexit has caused more harm than good. | 我非常清楚,我要直说,布雷克西特造成的伤害大于善。 |
| 0:06 | Prime Minister, welcome to the Today programme. | 总理,欢迎来到今天的方案。 |
| 0:08 | Thank you, Nick. | 谢谢你,尼克。 |
| 0:09 | You said that people can't wait forever for change in your speech on this stage. | 你说,人们不能永远等待 改变你在这个舞台上的演讲。 |
| 0:15 | So why in that speech did you set out a whole series of major changes, | 那你为何在演讲中 提出了一系列重大改变 |
| 0:20 | a national care service, a closer relationship with Europe, changing our voting system, | 国家护理服务 与欧洲的密切关系 改变我们的投票制度 |
| 0:25 | none of which can happen for years? | 这些都不可能发生多年? |
| 0:27 | Well, it's a good question. | 嗯,这是一个很好的问题。 |
| 0:29 | I made that comment when I was talking about the removal of VAT off people's electricity bills | 我在谈论取消人民电费的增值税时就这么说了 |
| 0:35 | on Thursday, what we will do to cap bus fares across England for the whole of 2027. | 周四,我们要做什么来支付 整个2027年的英国公交车票价 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 1 | I am very clear, and I will say this bluntly, Brexit has caused more harm than good. | 我非常清楚,我要直说,布雷克西特造成的伤害大于善。 |
| 2 | Prime Minister, welcome to the Today programme. | 总理,欢迎来到今天的方案。 |
| 3 | Thank you, Nick. | 谢谢你,尼克。 |
| 4 | You said that people can't wait forever for change in your speech on this stage. | 你说,人们不能永远等待 改变你在这个舞台上的演讲。 |
| 5 | So why in that speech did you set out a whole series of major changes, | 那你为何在演讲中 提出了一系列重大改变 |
| 6 | a national care service, a closer relationship with Europe, changing our voting system, | 国家护理服务 与欧洲的密切关系 改变我们的投票制度 |
| 7 | none of which can happen for years? | 这些都不可能发生多年? |
| 8 | Well, it's a good question. | 嗯,这是一个很好的问题。 |
| 9 | I made that comment when I was talking about the removal of VAT off people's electricity bills | 我在谈论取消人民电费的增值税时就这么说了 |
| 10 | on Thursday, what we will do to cap bus fares across England for the whole of 2027. | 周四,我们要做什么来支付 整个2027年的英国公交车票价 |
| 11 | So those are moves that will help people in the short term. | 因此,这些动作在短期内将帮助人们。 |
| 12 | But I don't think Britain can be fixed in the short term. | 但我认为英国不能在短期内得到修复. |
| 13 | I have made the argument that we've been on the wrong path for a long time. | 我提出的论点是,我们已经走上了错误的道路很久了。 |
| 14 | We broke up the essentials, we sold them off. | 我们把必需品拆了,卖了 |
| 15 | People in this country are paying higher prices for transport, for energy, | 这个国家的人们为运输,能源付出了更高的价格 |
| 16 | for housing than they are in other countries. | 与在其他国家住房相比, |
| 17 | And it will take time to fix those services and to get them under stronger public control. | 修复这些服务并使它们受到更强有力的公共控制需要时间。 |
| 18 | And therefore, as I did with the bus services in Greater Manchester, | 因此,正如我在大曼彻斯特的公交服务, |
| 19 | use that public control to bring public benefit in the form of lower fares and lower bills. | 利用公共控制,以降低票价和降低账单的形式带来公共利益。 |
| 20 | So that can't be done overnight, nor can social care be fixed overnight. | 因此,这不可能在一夜之间完成,社会关怀也不能在一夜之间固定. |
| 21 | Hence, a 10-year plan for Britain coming later this year. | 因此,英国的十年计划将于今年晚些时候出台。 |
| 22 | Let's go through some of the changes, starting with that big one on social care. | 让我们来经历一些变化, 从关于社会关怀的大变化开始。 |
| 23 | Why hit pensioners not the wealthiest in your first big policy announcement? | 为何在你的第一次大政策公告中 打击养老金领取者不是最富有的? |
| 24 | This is about helping pensioners. | 这是关于帮助养老金领取者。 |
| 25 | Pensioners currently are at risk of paying ruinous care costs. | 养恤金领取者目前面临支付破坏性护理费用的风险。 |
| 26 | And I know this, and my family has got very direct experience of the social care system. | 我知道这一点,我的家人对社会护理系统有非常直接的经验。 |
| 27 | You can be somebody with a basic state pension and a little modest extra income, | 你可以成为一个人 基本的国家养老金 和微小的额外收入, |
| 28 | and you can then be means tested and have to pay care costs. | 之后您可以接受经济调查,并支付护理费用。 |
| 29 | So sometimes people just look at the money without looking at the wider support we give older people. | 所以有时人们只是看钱而不看我们给予老年人的更广泛的支持。 |
| 30 | And I believe we've got to look at that bigger picture. | 我认为我们必须看看 更大的情况。 |
| 31 | It cannot be right going forward from here that we treat dementia very differently from cancer. | 我们治疗痴呆症与癌症截然不同。 |
| 32 | This affects so many families. | 这影响到许多家庭。 |
| 33 | We need a system that, in my view, works to NHS principles. | 我们需要一个系统,我认为, 它能符合NHS原则。 |
| 34 | And if we did that, it would be to support pensioners in a more | 如果我们这样做, 这将是支持养恤金领取者 在更多的 |
| 35 | enhanced way than we are currently doing. | 比我们目前做得更好 |
| 36 | At the moment... | 现在... |
| 37 | I'm asking you how you pay for that, because you've set out that ambition repeatedly. | 我问你怎么付钱 因为你一再提出这个野心 |
| 38 | What's new is you've now told us how you want to pay for it. | 新的是,你现在告诉我们,你想怎么支付它。 |
| 39 | And you're wanting to pay for it by scrapping the triple lock, | 而你却想通过拆掉三锁来付出代价 |
| 40 | by scrapping the guarantee to pensioners. | 取消对养老金领取者的担保。 |
| 41 | That's not quite right. | 这不太对劲 |
| 42 | So I've said that we will make an adjustment to the triple lock. | 所以我说我们会调整三联锁 |
| 43 | Now, you might say that sounds like a clever politician speak, but let me just explain... | 现在,你可能会说,听起来像一个聪明的政治家说话, 但让我解释一下... |
| 44 | If you forgive me, I do think it's clever politician speak. | 如果你原谅我,我确实认为这是聪明的政治家说话。 |
| 45 | I know you would think that. | 我知道你会这么想 |
| 46 | But if I could just explain, it keeps the three elements in play. | 但是,如果我能解释一下,它使三个要素继续发挥作用。 |
| 47 | So those three elements being prices, earnings and 2.5%. | 这三个要素是价格、收入和2.5%。 |
| 48 | And the current triple lock works on the basis every year, which is highest. | 而现在的三联锁每年以最高的基数为基础工作. |
| 49 | That's what the pension goes up by. | 养老金也因此上涨. |
| 50 | And what that is doing is it's taking it up quite quickly. | 而它正在做的是 它正在慢慢地上升。 |
| 51 | And by 2030, it will be a record level. | 到2030年,将达到创纪录的水平。 |
| 52 | The adjustment I'm suggesting is that earnings should be considered over a longer time frame, | 我建议的调整是 应该在更长的时间内考虑收入 |
| 53 | over the years, not every year. | 这些年来,不是每年。 |
| 54 | And then that would maintain the pension. | 这样就可以维持退休金了 |
| 55 | But it wouldn't put us in the position that the triple lock has us in at this moment in time. | 但它不会让我们处于三重锁 使我们在这个时候。 |
| 56 | I will honor it for this parliament for sure. | 我一定会为这个议会感到荣幸的 |
| 57 | And it's been a really important way of making sure the state pension reflects | 这也是确保国家养老金反映的非常重要的方法 |
| 58 | and is in touch with the rising prosperity that we have in the wider country. | 并且正与我们在更广泛的国家中日益繁荣的联系。 |
| 59 | But let's put it simply, the clever people behind the scenes who brief us after speeches | 但简言之, 幕后聪明人 演讲后向我们作简报 |
| 60 | like your speech say, this will save £15 billion a year, eventually. | 就像你的演讲所说,这每年可以节省150亿英镑,最终. |
| 61 | That's £15 billion that would have been going to pensioners, | 这是150亿英镑的养老金, |
| 62 | which is why I ask you, why are you taking money from pensioners and not, | 这就是为什么我问你, 为什么你从养老金领取者那里拿钱而不是, |
| 63 | as Sharon Graham of Unite the Union would say, take it from the wealthy. | 正如联合邦的莎伦·格雷厄姆所说 从富人手中夺走它 |
| 64 | Don't take it from pensioners. | 不要从养老金领取者那里拿走。 |
| 65 | Well, pensioners are paying, as I say, huge care costs. | 嗯,养老金支付,就像我说的, 巨大的护理费用。 |
| 66 | And I think it's a very big move to support older people, | 我认为这是一个非常大的举动 支持老年人, |
| 67 | to say you will have peace of mind in your later life. | 说你的后世会平静 |
| 68 | Are you saying it's a deal? | 你是说这是个交易? |
| 69 | Forgive me interrupting, but you say effective is a deal. | 原谅我打断你 但你说有效是一种交易 |
| 70 | You get something new, but we have to take something back a bit. | 你得到一些新的, 但我们得收回一些东西。 |
| 71 | It's a first big move to enable the introduction of a national care service. | 这是为引进国家护理服务而迈出的第一个大步。 |
| 72 | It's a very significant decision. | 这是一个非常重要的决定。 |
| 73 | Every predecessor in the role that I am in has not grasped this nettle. | 我所扮演的角色中的每一个前辈都没有抓住这个网球. |
| 74 | I am ripping the plaster off. | 我要把石膏撕下来 |
| 75 | I am going to fix social care. | 我将修复社会护理。 |
| 76 | I will not leave office without doing it. | 我不会离开办公室不这样做。 |
| 77 | And yes, you are absolutely right to ask about older people, | 是的,你问起老年人是完全正确的, |
| 78 | but they will get peace of mind and more ability | 但他们将获得平静和更大的能力 |
| 79 | to protect their homes and savings in the system that I'm describing. | 来保护他们的家 以及我描述的系统中的积蓄 |
| 80 | Let me just check what you mean by that, you see, | 让我看看你是什么意思,你看, |
| 81 | because you've talked about a free national care service, | 因为你说过免费的国家护理服务 |
| 82 | free at the point of use. | 使用时免费。 |
| 83 | But can we be clear, that is if you get care in your own home. | 但是我们能否说清楚 如果你在自己家里得到照顾 |
| 84 | If you go into a residential home, like your dad did, for example, | 如果你像你爸一样去住家 |
| 85 | you'll still pay your bed and board, right? | 你仍然会支付你的床和板,对不对? |
| 86 | You will. | 你会的。 |
| 87 | You still might end up selling your family house | 你还是可能会卖掉你家的房子 |
| 88 | to pay the bills which are what, £50,000 to £100,000? | 5万到10万英镑? |
| 89 | Yeah, you will. | 你会的 |
| 90 | You will have to pay for your bed and board. | 你得付床垫费 |
| 91 | And that is going to be the case. | 情况就是这样。 |
| 92 | It's the case in Scotland or other countries that have gone down this path. | 苏格兰或其他国家都是这样, |
| 93 | It's the care that we are talking about. | 这就是我们所说的关心。 |
| 94 | But here's the point, Nick. | 但问题是,尼克 |
| 95 | I think if we had a proper preventative social care service in this country | 我想如果我们有 适当的预防性社会护理服务 在这个国家 |
| 96 | that was operated on a whole person basis, | 由整个人操作, |
| 97 | we would have much higher standard of social care in people's homes. | 我们会在人们的家里获得更高水平的社会关怀。 |
| 98 | The reason why my dad had to go into a care home, since you asked about it, | 既然你问起这件事 我爸不得不去护理院的原因 |
| 99 | is because the threadbare social care system we have, | 因为我们拥有的社会关怀系统 |
| 100 | which operates in 15-minute windows delivering quite a basic level of care, | 使用15分钟的窗户提供相当基本水平的护理, |
| 101 | could not cope when my dad's care needs progressed. | 我爸的照顾需求有所进步时 无法应付 |
| 102 | And my mum then couldn't cope with the chaos | 我妈却无法应付混乱 |
| 103 | that was happening around those 15-minute care visits. | 15分钟的看病时间 |
| 104 | So that's the honest answer as to why that system doesn't work. | 这就是为什么这个系统不起作用的诚实答案。 |
| 105 | If you do what I want to do, | 如果你做我想做的事的话 |
| 106 | which is provide much higher standard whole person care in people's homes, | 在人们的家中提供高得多的标准全人护理, |
| 107 | genuinely I think you could do what most families would want to do, | 我真的觉得你可以做大多数家庭都想做的事 |
| 108 | which is to keep people in their own home for all of their lives. | 也就是把人们永远留在自己的家里 |
| 109 | You've been very clear, you've been honest about it, as you said you would be, | 你一直很清楚,你一直 诚实的,正如你说的, |
| 110 | which is people who move into a residential home | 住进住宅的人 |
| 111 | may still face the risk of losing their home to pay those bills. | 可能仍面临失去家园支付这些账单的风险。 |
| 112 | Can we deal with a crisis that's facing people now, this winter? | 我们能应付危机吗? 今冬人们正面临危机? |
| 113 | The boss of EDF, the big energy firm, has been talking to the BBC | EDF的老板,大能源公司 一直在和BBC谈话 |
| 114 | and he says this winter we face another energy crisis. | 他说今年冬天我们又面临能源危机 |
| 115 | Is that how you see it as Prime Minister? | 你这样看待总理吗? |
| 116 | This is an energy crisis and because the wall with Iran is going on, | 这是一个能源危机,因为 墙与伊朗正在发生, |
| 117 | we don't know when it will end, it's an energy crisis | 我们不知道什么时候会结束,这是能源危机 |
| 118 | we've all got to prepare to live with for potentially many months. | 我们都要准备好和他们共度许多个月 |
| 119 | I don't think that is an overstatement, to be honest. | 老实说,我不认为那是夸张 |
| 120 | When I look at the prices at the pump at this moment in time, | 当我在这个时候看泵的价格时, |
| 121 | if we include diesel and petrol within that, | 如果我们把柴油和汽油都包括在内, |
| 122 | this is very challenging, isn't it, for people who are filling up today? | 这对今天满满的人来说 是个非常艰巨的挑战,不是吗? |
| 123 | When we look at energy prices in the home, difficult too. | 当我们看看家里的能源价格,也很困难。 |
| 124 | As I said, I'm doing what I can, reducing, or removing I should say, VAT off bills, | 如我所说,我在尽我所能, 减少或删除我应该说,增值税的账单, |
| 125 | but it is very difficult indeed and that's why the Middle East | 但这是非常困难的, 这就是为什么中东 |
| 126 | situation needs to command a lot of our attention. | 情况需要引起我们很大关注。 |
| 127 | I met the President of the United States last week, | 我上周见过美国总统, |
| 128 | we spoke about this situation, reopening the Strait of Hormuz | 我们谈论了这种情况,重新开放霍尔木兹海峡 |
| 129 | is an urgent international priority. | 这是一项紧迫的国际优先事项。 |
| 130 | We've got to work at all of these things. | 我们必须在所有这些事情上工作。 |
| 131 | The main driver of that crisis is beyond our control, | 危机的主要驱动力 是我们无法控制的, |
| 132 | but we can contribute to solving that situation | 但我们可以帮助解决这种情况 |
| 133 | and that is what I've been doing as Prime Minister. | 这就是我作为总理所做的 |
| 134 | And you're going to have to look at giving people more help | 你将不得不看看 给人们更多的帮助 |
| 135 | because you proclaimed from this stage that you were cutting VAT | 因为你从这个阶段就宣称 你正在削减增值税 |
| 136 | off electricity bills, as you've just said. | 电费,正如你刚才说的。 |
| 137 | Now you'll know the numbers. | 现在你知道数字了 |
| 138 | That saves people around £45 off their energy bill. | 这样可以节省45英镑左右的精力 |
| 139 | But prices are going up by £60 a year tomorrow. | 但是明天的价格要上升60英镑 |
| 140 | They're due to go up, that's the forecast, another £276. | 他们要上台了,这是预测,再276英镑。 |
| 141 | So your VAT cut's already been wiped out. | 所以,你的增值税削减 已经被消灭了。 |
| 142 | Will you look at further help? | 你会再找帮助吗? |
| 143 | I agree that it's not going to meet all of those pressures, | 我同意它不会 满足所有这些压力, |
| 144 | but it is something. | 但它是东西。 |
| 145 | It's better to have done it than not to have done it. | 虽有功德不如无功德. |
| 146 | I could have come in in July and said wait till the budget, but I didn't. | 我本可以在七月来 说等到预算, 但我没有。 |
| 147 | I acted and therefore the money is freed up from Thursday. | 我做了,所以钱从周四释放出来。 |
| 148 | People will see VAT come off their bills then. | 人们会看到增值税从账单上掉下来。 |
| 149 | And obviously we have a budget coming | 显然,我们的预算来了 |
| 150 | and we're considering all of these issues. | 我们正在考虑这些问题。 |
| 151 | People can see that there isn't a huge room for manoeuvre | 人们可以看到,没有很大的机动空间 |
| 152 | within the public finances | 在公共财政中 |
| 153 | and we won't take risks with people's mortgages | 我们不会冒着抵押的风险 |
| 154 | like a previous Prime Minister and government did. | 就像前任总理和政府一样 |
| 155 | But you're looking at fuel duty, for example. | 但你在看燃料税,例如。 |
| 156 | We're looking at any measure that can give people breathing space, | 我们正在研究任何能给人们呼吸空间的措施, |
| 157 | that can take the pressure off. | 这可以减轻压力。 |
| 158 | And might I just say as well, Nick, alongside that, | 尼克,我也可以这么说 |
| 159 | cost of living is one thing but the cost of business, | 生活成本是一回事 但商业成本, |
| 160 | the cost of running a business is another | 经营企业的成本是另一种 |
| 161 | and we're looking at that issue as well. | 我们也在研究这个问题 |
| 162 | Now, if there's an energy crisis, as you've conceded, | 现在,如果有能源危机, 正如你承认的, |
| 163 | there's another crisis at the moment, globally a borrowing crisis. | 现在又发生了另一场危机 全球性的借贷危机 |
| 164 | The global markets are demanding more to lend countries money | 全球市场要求更多国家借钱 |
| 165 | than they have for, what, 20 years or so. | 比他们有,什么,20年左右。 |
| 166 | But Britain has a particular problem. | 但英国有一个特别的问题。 |
| 167 | It costs more for the Treasury here to borrow money | 国库借钱要花更多钱 |
| 168 | than it costs Greece, than it costs Italy, | 比它花费希腊 比它花费意大利 |
| 169 | than it costs France. | 比它花费法国。 |
| 170 | Why didn't you say something in this big speech today | 你为何今天不说点什么? |
| 171 | to try and say to the global markets, | 尝试对全球市场说, |
| 172 | we've got this under control. | 我们已经控制住了 |
| 173 | We're going to cut spending. | 我们要削减开支。 |
| 174 | We aren't going to borrow as much in the future. | 我们以后不会借那么多钱 |
| 175 | Well, I did and I will come back to that if it's okay. | 好吧,我做到了,我会回来 如果它是好的。 |
| 176 | But let me deal with firstly the question as to why Britain has | 但我首先要谈谈为什么英国 |
| 177 | a particular higher level of exposure. | 接触程度特别高。 |
| 178 | And if you look at the lines on the graph, | 如果你看看图表上的台词 |
| 179 | you will see that it does come from that mini budget | 你会看到,它确实来自 小型预算 |
| 180 | of a few years ago. | 几年前的一次调查 |
| 181 | Britain lost some trust and credibility in markets | 英国在市场上失去了一些信任和信誉 |
| 182 | at that moment in time and we haven't yet repaired fully that damage | 此时此刻,我们还没有完全修复 |
| 183 | and we have to work to repair it. | 我们必须努力修复它。 |
| 184 | But I did address that question today. | 但我今天确实谈到这个问题。 |
| 185 | I took a big decision about the triple lock, | 我做了一个大决定 关于三锁, |
| 186 | which shows I am prepared to take those type of decisions. | 这表明我愿意做出这种决定。 |
| 187 | But you then said, Prime Minister, that you'd spend the money. | 但你后来说,总理, 你会花钱。 |
| 188 | You didn't say, look, I can save £15 billion a year. | 你没说 我可以每年省150亿英镑 |
| 189 | That will cut government spending. | 这将削减政府开支。 |
| 190 | What you said is I'll save £15 billion and then I'll spend it. | 你说我会省下150亿英镑 然后花掉 |
| 191 | That doesn't make our borough any better. | 这并不能让我们的辖区更好。 |
| 192 | Well, if I could develop the argument, | 好吧,如果我可以 提出的论点, |
| 193 | because I did say this as well, | 因为我也说过 |
| 194 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我所做的一切 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我为公众控制做了很多事 | |
| 195 | of energy, water, housing and social care, | 能源、水、住房和社会照顾, |
| 196 | that is a way of getting our long term costs down. | 这是降低我们长期成本的方法。 |
| 197 | If you have the biggest council house building programme | 如果你有最大的 议会大厦方案 |
| 198 | of a generation, you will bring down housing benefit within the decade. | 你们将在十年内降低住房福利。 |
| 199 | If you take a different approach to supporting young people into work, | 如果你采取不同的方式支持年轻人工作, |
| 200 | as we expect Alan Milburn to recommend, | 正如我们期待艾伦・米尔本的建议, |
| 201 | you will have a way of unlocking money from out of work benefits. | 你将有一个方法解锁 从工作福利的钱。 |
| 202 | If you do reform social care and have preventative, | 如果你确实改革了社会护理 并进行了预防 |
| 203 | simple, good care in people's homes, | 简单,良好的照顾 在人们的家中, |
| 204 | you will save billions from an NHS that currently | 您将从当前 NHS 中节省数十亿 |
| 205 | receives people on 999 calls from domiciliary care or care homes | 接待从家庭护理或护理院拨打的999个电话的人 |
| 206 | and has them spending weeks on end unnecessarily in hospital. | 让他们在医院里过几个星期 |
| 207 | So this is actually a thought through and quite responsible way | 所以,这其实是一个思考 通过和相当负责的方式 |
| 208 | of reducing revenue spending in the long run. | 长期减少收入支出。 |
| 209 | Well, you hope it'll reduce revenue spending, | 你希望这能减少收入支出 |
| 210 | but the point I'm making to you | 但我要告诉你 |
| 211 | is that you then plan to spend it on something else. | 也就是你打算把它花在别的东西上 |
| 212 | So not just social care, | 所以不只是社会关怀, |
| 213 | but the other thing you didn't spend long talking about, | 但还有一件事你没有花很长时间谈论, |
| 214 | you are committed to a huge increase in defence spending | 您承诺大幅增加国防开支 |
| 215 | and you've yet to tell us how you'll pay for it. | 而你还没有告诉我们 你将如何支付它。 |
| 216 | And we still don't know the answer | 我们还不知道答案 |
| 217 | and there's no prospect of an answer. | 没有答案的前景。 |
| 218 | If as soon as you make a cut to spending, | 如果你一削减开支 |
| 219 | you say, oh, I've got a plan to expand government, | 你说,哦,我有一个计划 扩大政府, |
| 220 | we'll get a national care service, let's spend it on that. | 我们会得到一个全国护理服务, 让我们花在这一点。 |
| 221 | Well, I think, judge me on what I've done so far. | 嗯,我想,判断我 迄今做了什么。 |
| 222 | So I inherited a defence investment plan | 所以我继承了一个国防投资计划 |
| 223 | that wasn't fully funded, | 资金不足, |
| 224 | but it will be fully funded | 但它会得到充足的资金 |
| 225 | and we'll set that out very clearly at the budget. | 我们会在预算中非常明确地阐述这一点。 |
| 226 | So I've already been working to find funding for defence. | 所以我一直在努力寻找辩护资金 |
| 227 | And what I've just said a moment ago | 我刚才说的话 |
| 228 | around the 10-year plan for Britain, | 围绕英国十年计划, |
| 229 | the whole drive is to start investing in success | 整个动力是开始投资成功 |
| 230 | rather than paying for failure | 而不是为失败付出代价 |
| 231 | as the country does excessively at this moment in time, | 正如国家此时此刻过度行事, |
| 232 | too many people on out-of-work benefits in their 20s, | 太多人失业福利 在20多岁, |
| 233 | too many people in hospital unnecessarily. | 太多人在医院不必要的。 |
| 234 | And here's a key one, | 这是一把钥匙, |
| 235 | the benefit system chasing rents in the private rented sector | 在私人租房部门追逐租金的福利制度 |
| 236 | because we don't have enough homes in the public housing stock. | 因为我们没有足够住房 在公共住房存量。 |
| 237 | So fixing these things is a prudent way | 所以修这些东西是一种谨慎的方法 |
| 238 | to get revenue spending down in the long run. | 使收入支出长期下降。 |
| 239 | I want to ask you briefly, if I could, | 我想简短地问你,如果可以的话, |
| 240 | about two other big changes that you talked about | 你刚才说的另外两个大变化 |
| 241 | from this conference stage. | 从这个会议阶段。 |
| 242 | Brexit, ideally, in your heart, | 布莱克西特,理想的是,在你的心脏, |
| 243 | you want us to rejoin the EU, don't you? | 你想让我们重新加入欧盟 是吗? |
| 244 | I want to look at the options and I am serious. | 我想看看选择,我是认真的。 |
| 245 | That was quite a long pause, Mr Burnham. | 这是一个很长的停顿,伯纳姆先生。 |
| 246 | That sounds like yes, but I don't want to say it. | 听起来是的 但我不想说 |
| 247 | I have said, and there's no point me denying it, | 我说了,我没有理由否认 |
| 248 | I've said in a book, | 我在一本书里说过 |
| 249 | I would like to see Britain rejoin in my lifetime, | 我希望英国在我生命中重新回归 |
| 250 | so there's no point me saying otherwise. | 所以没有意义我说其他。 |
| 251 | But it's not necessarily the case that that is now | 但现在的情况不一定如此 |
| 252 | because we need to understand | 因为我们需要理解 |
| 253 | what would be the nature of how we would look | 什么样的性质 我们看起来像 |
| 254 | at the different options. | 在不同的选择。 |
| 255 | So we could stay as we are. | 这样我们才能保持原样 |
| 256 | That's definitely an option. | 这绝对是一个选择。 |
| 257 | If people think this is the right place to stay, | 如果人们觉得这是合适的地方 |
| 258 | we could look at what George Osborne has said | 我们可以看看乔治·奥斯本说的话 |
| 259 | about a customs union. | 关于一个关税同盟。 |
| 260 | We could look at what the Liberal Democrats said | 我们可以看看自由民主党说什么 |
| 261 | at their conference about single market, | 在他们关于单一市场的会议上, |
| 262 | or we could go all the way. | 或者我们可以一路走 |
| 263 | So there are clearly options that need to be considered | 因此,显然有需要考虑的选择 |
| 264 | and we have to look at what is doable | 我们必须看看什么是可行的 |
| 265 | and what would be the pros and cons of each. | 以及每个人的利弊。 |
| 266 | What I am saying is it's not good enough | 我想说的是,这还不够好 |
| 267 | to leave that question just hanging. | 把问题留在这儿 |
| 268 | I am saying, let's be clear about where we want Britain | 我的意思是,让我们说清楚 我们希望英国在哪里 |
| 269 | to go in the next decade. | 接下来的十年。 |
| 270 | And I've asked people to join with me on that. | 我已经请大家和我一起去 |
| 271 | The country cannot have a decade, another one, | 这个国家不能有一个十年,另一个十年, |
| 272 | like the one we've just had, | 就像我们刚刚有过的一样 |
| 273 | where we've had too much drift, too much division. | 在那里我们经历了太多的漂移, 太多的分裂。 |
| 274 | I am very clear, and I will say this bluntly, | 我很清楚,我直说吧, |
| 275 | Brexit has caused more harm than good. | Brexit造成的伤害比好。 |
| 276 | And I think around 60% of the British public | 我认为大约60%的英国公众 |
| 277 | agree with that statement. | 同意这一说法。 |
| 278 | So the question is, what do we do about that? | 所以问题是,我们该怎么办呢? |
| 279 | And I'm not doing the usual politician thing. | 而且我没有做 通常的政治家的事情。 |
| 280 | I'm being honest about facing up to that | 老实说,面对这个 |
| 281 | and give people options that they can look at and judge. | 并给人们一些选择,他们可以观察和判断。 |
| 282 | There's another big reform you spoke about, | 还有另一个大改革,你说, |
| 283 | Prime Minister, which is voting reform. | 总理,他正在投票改革。 |
| 284 | Are you saying that's what you want to happen, | 你是说你想这样吗? |
| 285 | that we have European-style voting in Britain? | 我们在英国有欧洲式的投票? |
| 286 | I found it better being elected under a different system | 我发现在不同的制度下当选更好 |
| 287 | as mayor of Greater Manchester, | 作为大曼彻斯特市长, |
| 288 | where people had one or two. | 在那里,人们有一个或两个。 |
| 289 | They could put that on the ballot paper | 他们可以把这个写在选票上 |
| 290 | because you had a reason to stop on every doorstep | 因为你有理由停在每个门阶上 |
| 291 | and chat to people who might not always support your party | 和那些不总是支持你的派对的人聊天 |
| 292 | and try and get their second preference. | 尝试得到他们的第二喜好。 |
| 293 | It just led to a better politics. | 它只是导致一个更好的政治。 |
| 294 | And I also feel that in an era of five-party politics, | 我也觉得在一个五党政治的时代 |
| 295 | can we really watch a party with less than 30% | 我们真的能看不到30%的派对吗? |
| 296 | just walk into Downing Street? | 刚走进唐宁街? |
| 297 | Is that something we should feel comfortable about? | 我们是不是应该感到舒服? |
| 298 | In other words, you want to stop Nigel Farage | 换句话说 你想阻止奈杰尔·法拉吉 |
| 299 | becoming Prime Minister? | 成为总理? |
| 300 | No, it could happen with any political party. | 不,它可能发生在任何政党。 |
| 301 | It's whether that would be a legitimate government. | 这是否是一个合法的政府? |
| 302 | But more broadly, if I can make a more serious point, Nick, | 但更广泛地说,如果我能说出更严肃的观点,尼克 |
| 303 | we've had a decade of turbulence in our politics | 我们的政治已经动荡了十年 |
| 304 | and I think that has stopped Britain moving forward. | 我认为这阻止了英国前进。 |
| 305 | And if we look to the next decade, | 如果我们展望下一个十年 |
| 306 | I think we need to show the markets | 我想我们得向市场展示一下 |
| 307 | and the world and everybody | 世界和每个人 |
| 308 | that we can have a better politics, | 我们可以有一个更好的政治, |
| 309 | more about problem solving than point scoring, | 更多关于解决问题 而不是点评, |
| 310 | which sadly is too much what our politics is about. | 可悲的是,这是太多 我们的政治是什么。 |
| 311 | And that would come, I think, | 并且,我认为, |
| 312 | if we had a different approach to the voting system. | 如果我们对投票制度有不同的做法。 |
| 313 | So I believe part of Britain building back | 所以我相信英国的部分建筑 |
| 314 | from where we are now | 从我们现在的位置 |
| 315 | is getting rid of the turbulence, | 摆脱了动荡, |
| 316 | putting down a stronger platform | 放下更强大的平台 |
| 317 | that gives people more certainty to invest in this country | 让人们更确定地投资到这个国家 |
| 318 | through the reform of our politics. | 通过我们的政治改革。 |
| 319 | And probably it's the five party reality that we're in now | 可能就是现在的五党现实 |
| 320 | that brings that issue forward. | 这使得这个问题取得进展。 |
| 321 | Again and again, when you wanted to be Prime Minister, | 一次又一次,当你想当总理的时候, |
| 322 | now you are Prime Minister. | 你现在是首相了 |
| 323 | You've talked about rolling back 40 years of failure | 你说过要倒退40年的失败 |
| 324 | as you see it. | 如汝所见. |
| 325 | Why as Prime Minister now do you talk more about the 1980s | 为什么作为首相,你现在要更多地谈论八十年代 |
| 326 | than about 2020s? | 比20世纪20年代? |
| 327 | Isn't it a backward looking speech | 说起来很落后吧 |
| 328 | rather than the speech that says, | 而不是说, |
| 329 | here are the big challenges, the energy crisis, | 这是巨大的挑战,能源危机, |
| 330 | the AI crisis, the crisis of what Russia is doing | AI危机,俄罗斯正在做的危机 |
| 331 | and what China is doing? | 中国在做什么? |
| 332 | Well, where does the energy crisis come from? | 能源危机是从哪里来的? |
| 333 | I would say it has its roots in the 1980s | 我要说它起源于1980年代 |
| 334 | when it was broken up and sold off. | 当它被拆散并出售。 |
| 335 | Look at water. | 看水边. |
| 336 | So that's a big concern of your listeners, is it not? | 所以这是你听众非常关心的,不是吗? |
| 337 | So where are the roots of the failing water system | 失败的水系的根源在哪里 |
| 338 | that we've got where we're seeing sewage in the rivers | 我们可以看到河流中的污水 |
| 339 | and the seas, people paying high bills? | 和海洋,人们支付高额账单? |
| 340 | Where does that come from, that failure to invest | 哪里来的,没有投资 |
| 341 | in the infrastructure over all of those years? | 这些年来在基础设施里? |
| 342 | Why have we got a housing crisis? | 为什么我们有住房危机? |
| 343 | We saw a public housing stock shrink. | 我们看到一个公共住房存量缩水。 |
| 344 | And it's why, as I said before, we're chasing rents | 这就是为什么,我之前说过, 我们正在追租 |
| 345 | in the private rented sector through the benefits system. | 在私营租赁部门通过福利制度。 |
| 346 | So you do have to go back. | 所以你必须回去 |
| 347 | And that's what I did today. | 这就是我今天所做的。 |
| 348 | The country built the Commonwealth in the post-war period | 战后国家建立了英联邦 |
| 349 | from 45 to the mid-80s. | 从45年到80年代中期 |
| 350 | But we did make a change in that period. | 但我们在那个时期确实有所改变。 |
| 351 | And I don't believe it's been a good change | 我不相信这是个很好的变化 |
| 352 | because we lost control of too much. | 因为我们失去控制太多。 |
| 353 | We left people too exposed to energy costs, | 我们让人们太 面临能源成本, |
| 354 | to high housing costs. | 高住房费用。 |
| 355 | And that's what I was talking about today. | 而今所论. |
| 356 | Sometimes you have to see the sweep of history | 有时候你必须看到历史的扫荡 |
| 357 | and how things need to, the pendulum needs to come back. | 和事情需要, 倒数需要回来。 |
| 358 | And that's what I was arguing for today. | 这就是我今天的争论。 |
| 359 | You talk very movingly about your father | 你说话很动人 关于你父亲 |
| 360 | who died just a couple of weeks ago. | 几个星期前就死了 |
| 361 | Wouldn't it have been the first to tell you, | 不是第一次告诉你吗? |
| 362 | don't be nostalgic, son. | 不要怀旧,儿子。 |
| 363 | Look to the future. | 观未来际. |
| 364 | Look to your kid's future. | 看看你孩子的未来 |
| 365 | Don't bang on about Margaret Thatcher. | 别提起玛格丽特撒切尔 |
| 366 | He wouldn't probably have said that, if I'm honest, | 他可能不会说, 如果我诚实, |
| 367 | because he was somebody, he was very much about, | 因为他是一个人, 他非常喜欢, |
| 368 | remember where you've come from. | 记住你来自哪里 |
| 369 | Remember what we're about | 记住我们是什么 |
| 370 | and stay true to what we're about. | 并忠实于我们是什么。 |
| 371 | The city, this place where we are, he was a proud son of it. | 这个城市,我们所在的地方, 他是一个骄傲的儿子它。 |
| 372 | But he was always saying, remember your roots, | 但他总是说 记住你的根 |
| 373 | where we've come from. | 我们来自哪里? |
| 374 | And it's why I spoke about that statement made | 这也是为什么我谈到 声明 |
| 375 | about me being the last prime minister of the UK | 关于我是英国最后一任首相 |
| 376 | on the day he died. | 在他去世的那天, |
| 377 | And I decided to lean into it. | 我决定投身其中 |
| 378 | In other words, forgive me, you saw a message | 换句话说,原谅我,你看到了一个信息 |
| 379 | that someone had predicted, John Swinney, is it? | 有人预言过,约翰斯温尼,是吗? |
| 380 | Yes, and I wasn't blaming him, by the way, | 是的,我没有责怪他,顺便说一句, |
| 381 | because he didn't know the news at the time. | 因为他当时不知道这个消息 |
| 382 | But I quoted it because it really stuck with me | 但我引用它是因为它真的粘着我 |
| 383 | and made me really determined to say, | 我决定说 |
| 384 | what am I about and what has my dad instilled in me? | 我是什么,什么是我爸灌输给我? |
| 385 | My dad instilled in me was a quiet patriotism, | 我爸爸对我灌输的是一种平静的爱国主义 |
| 386 | the best of this country. | 这个国家最好的。 |
| 387 | When we work together and build things from the bottom up, | 当我们从下而上合作和建设事物时, |
| 388 | that working class aspiration that I spoke about, | 我所说的工人阶级愿望 |
| 389 | which he very much embodied in his life, | 在他的一生中, |
| 390 | the way in which this country built trade unions, | 这个国家建立工会的方式, |
| 391 | the cooperative movement. | 合作社运动。 |
| 392 | We are a union itself of countries. | 我们是各国的一个联盟。 |
| 393 | And obviously he supported our membership | 显然他支持我们加入 |
| 394 | of the European Union. | 临时代办 |
| 395 | His was a quiet patriotism | 他是一个安静的爱国者 |
| 396 | that was very much rooted in this part of the world. | 这深深扎根于世界的这一地区。 |
| 397 | And it was an opportunity for me to speak to that | 这是一个机会,我说话 |
| 398 | because I want to lead a country | 因为我想领导一个国家 |
| 399 | that builds the kind of Britain my dad always wanted to see. | 造就了我父亲一直想看到的英国 |
| 400 | It is partly that country. | 这部分是那个国家。 |
| 401 | It is brilliant in so many ways, but it could be better. | 它在许多方面是辉煌的,但它可能更好。 |
| 402 | And I laid out today at the conference | 我今天在会议上写下了 |
| 403 | how I would like it to be better going forward. | 我希望它能做得更好 |
| 404 | Can I end by asking you about your dad, Roy? | 我可以问你关于你爸爸的事吗,罗伊? |
| 405 | It's his funeral on Friday. | 这是他星期五的葬礼 |
| 406 | It is. | 没错 |
| 407 | You must feel an extraordinary torrent of emotions. | 你一定觉得很激动 |
| 408 | I do. | 当然 |
| 409 | You stood on this stage as the euphoria that you had. | 你站在这个舞台上就像你曾经的喜悦 |
| 410 | And when you came to the moment | 当你来到那一刻 |
| 411 | you were going to speak about your dad, | 你本来要谈论你爸爸的 |
| 412 | you had to stop, didn't you? | 你必须停下来,不是吗? |
| 413 | When people got to their feet to give you space | 当人们踏上脚步 给你空间 |
| 414 | to compose yourself, | 来作曲, |
| 415 | does it just feel like you're on an emotional roller coaster | 感觉就像你坐着一辆感性过山车 |
| 416 | at the moment? | 现在? |
| 417 | It has at times. | 时有. |
| 418 | You know, the two things coincided, | 这两件事恰好吻合 |
| 419 | the start of my journey as prime minister | 作为首相的旅程的开始 |
| 420 | and the end of my dad's journey. | 还有我父亲的旅程的结束 |
| 421 | And I did know that at the time because the last time | 我当时确实知道 因为上次 |
| 422 | I'd seen him before walking up Downing Street, | 我走进唐宁街前见过他 |
| 423 | you just know. | 你只会知道。 |
| 424 | When you know, you know. | 当知时. |
| 425 | And I knew those two things were coming together | 我知道这两件事会合起来 |
| 426 | and it explains why we were in a bit of a family huddle | 这解释了为什么我们 在一个有点家庭的拥抱 |
| 427 | on Downing Street when I came in that day. | 我那天来唐宁街的时候 |
| 428 | And I've had to think about it. | 我不得不考虑一下 |
| 429 | I don't want to use it in any way for sympathy | 我不想用它来表示同情 |
| 430 | or anything like that. | 或任何类似的东西。 |
| 431 | But I actually want to use it to give me purpose in this job. | 但我真的想用它来给我这个工作的目的。 |
| 432 | What am I trying to do? | 我该怎么办? |
| 433 | What Britain am I trying to create here? | 我在这里想创造什么? |
| 434 | And as I say, it was the one that has allowed | 正如我所说,这是允许 |
| 435 | the son of a man who failed his 11 plus | 一个失败了11加的人的儿子 |
| 436 | to be the prime minister. | 成为首相。 |
| 437 | And the reason why that's happened is because | 而发生这种情况的原因是 |
| 438 | this country was a country of social aspiration. | 这个国家是一个社会渴望的国家。 |
| 439 | It did allow people from this part of the world | 它确实允许来自这个地区的人们 |
| 440 | to move forward and come to the place where I am. | 继续前进 来到我所在的地方 |
| 441 | And that's the Britain I believe in | 那是我信仰的英国 |
| 442 | and will passionately defend with everything that I've got | 并且将用我拥有的一切 充满激情地捍卫 |
| 443 | and hopefully push forward into the future. | 希望能继续前进 |
| 444 | I'm not talking about thinking backwards. | 我不是在说反向思考 |
| 445 | I want to set Britain up for the future. | 我想为未来建立英国 |
| 446 | But in this world that we're in with all of these threats, | 但是在这个我们面对这些威胁的世界里 |
| 447 | we need to be more resilient in our communities. | 我们需要在我们的社区里更具有复原力。 |
| 448 | We need to be able to afford everyday services. | 我们需要能够支付日常服务费用。 |
| 449 | We need good homes. | 我们需要好的房子。 |
| 450 | And from that social security, | 而从社会保障, |
| 451 | you can build national security at the higher level. | 您可在更高一级建立国家安全。 |
| 452 | That's what I want to do as prime minister. | 这就是我想做的作为总理。 |
| 453 | And I'm rooting it today in everything | 今天我把它根植于一切 |
| 454 | where I've come from, what my dad was about. | 我从哪里来 我爸在说什么 |
| 455 | And hopefully now I've given an account to the public | 希望现在我已经告诉公众 |
| 456 | of who I am, where I've come from | 我是谁,我来自哪里 |
| 457 | and what I'm trying to do. | 和我想做的一样 |
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