拒绝跨界界定！诺兰谈电影创作：知道自己“不能拍什么”和“能拍
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | Wow, they love you, Christopher Dole. | 哇,他们爱你,克里斯托弗・多尔。 |
| 0:02 | Oh, my gosh. | 天呐 |
| 0:05 | Oh, me, too. | 哦,我也一样。 |
| 0:07 | Welcome to the show. | 欢迎光临节目 |
| 0:07 | Congratulations on The Odyssey. | 恭喜奥德赛 |
| 0:10 | It's the biggest movie in the world. | 这是世界上最大的电影. |
| 0:12 | Congratulations. | 祝贺你 |
| 0:15 | Uh, uh, The Odyssey you saw when you were five years old, | 你五岁时看到的奥德赛 |
| 0:18 | I read somewhere, on stage? | 我在舞台上读过书? |
| 0:21 | I first encountered the story, | 我第一次遇到这个故事 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Wow, they love you, Christopher Dole. | 哇,他们爱你,克里斯托弗・多尔。 |
| 2 | Oh, my gosh. | 天呐 |
| 3 | Oh, me, too. | 哦,我也一样。 |
| 4 | Welcome to the show. | 欢迎光临节目 |
| 5 | Congratulations on The Odyssey. | 恭喜奥德赛 |
| 6 | It's the biggest movie in the world. | 这是世界上最大的电影. |
| 7 | Congratulations. | 祝贺你 |
| 8 | Uh, uh, The Odyssey you saw when you were five years old, | 你五岁时看到的奥德赛 |
| 9 | I read somewhere, on stage? | 我在舞台上读过书? |
| 10 | I first encountered the story, | 我第一次遇到这个故事 |
| 11 | I think it was about four or five, | 我想大概是四五个人 |
| 12 | and watching a play at school | 在学校看戏 |
| 13 | that the older kids were doing bits of The Odyssey. | 年长的孩子在做一些奥德赛。 |
| 14 | Like, I remember Odysseus being strapped to the mast | 我记得奥德修斯被绑在桅杆上 |
| 15 | for the sirens, and I remember, you know, | 对于警笛, 我记得,你知道, |
| 16 | they did some version of the horse. | 他们做了一些版本的马。 |
| 17 | But I think, like a lot of people, | 但我想,像很多人一样, |
| 18 | it's just kind of in your bones. | 它只是那种 在你的骨头。 |
| 19 | It's like you've experienced it in different adaptations | 就像你在不同的改编中经历过一样 |
| 20 | of things when you were a kid. | 你小时候的事 |
| 21 | It's stuck in your brain, and you go, oh, yeah. | 它卡在你的大脑里, 然后你去,哦,是的。 |
| 22 | Yeah, all the greatest hits kind of thing. | 是啊,所有最伟大的点击类型的事情。 |
| 23 | Yeah, did you realize, oh, like, you wouldn't think, | 是啊,你有没有意识到, 哦,喜欢, 你不会认为, |
| 24 | I want to be a director at five, right? | 我想5点当导演,对吧? |
| 25 | You wouldn't know what that is. | 你不会知道那是什么的 |
| 26 | No, no, I was about seven, I think. | 不,不,我大概七岁,我想。 |
| 27 | 对 我知道 Yeah, I know. | |
| 28 | He waited a couple years. | 他等了几年时间 |
| 29 | Yeah, smart. | 是啊,聪明。 |
| 30 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 31 | Yeah, but you've made some of the biggest movies | 是啊,但是你拍了一些最大的电影 |
| 32 | that we all love. | 我们都爱它。 |
| 33 | You made Interstellar, Oppenheimer, Inception. | 你造了星际星际迷航 奥本海默 感应器 |
| 34 | The Odyssey is no different. | 奥德西人无异. |
| 35 | It's a massive undertaking. | 这是一个巨大的任务。 |
| 36 | This is a 91-day shoot across six countries. | 这是一个91天的拍摄 跨越6个国家。 |
| 37 | I've read everything about this. | 我读过所有关于这一点。 |
| 38 | You've worked with thousands of actors on this movie. | 你和上千名演员合作过这部电影 |
| 39 | Yeah, the proverbial cast of thousands, absolutely. | 是啊, 一句谚语 成千上万,绝对。 |
| 40 | Yeah, it's the first film in history to be shot in IMAX, | 是的,这是历史上第一部在IMAX拍摄的电影, |
| 41 | 和IMAX摄像头。 | |
| 42 | Yes, I first encountered IMAX | 是的,我第一次遇到IMAX |
| 43 | when I was a kid, I was about 16, | 当我还是个孩子,我大约16, |
| 44 | and I went to the Museum of Science and Industry in Chicago, | 我去芝加哥的科学和工业博物馆 |
| 45 | saw a documentary shot on IMAX. | 看了一部关于IMAX的纪录片镜头. |
| 46 | And right then, I was like, | 然后,我说, |
| 47 | if you could ever do a feature film that way, | 如果你能做一个故事片 这样, |
| 48 | this would be the format to do it on. | 这将是这样做的格式。 |
| 49 | And finally, I got around to doing it. | 最后,我开始做这个。 |
| 50 | We first used the cameras on the dark night. | 我们先在黑暗之夜用摄像机 |
| 51 | So for the introduction to Heath Ledger's Joker, | 为了介绍希斯·莱德格的小丑 |
| 52 | Bank Heist at the beginning, the truck flip, | 银行海斯特在开始, 卡车翻转, |
| 53 | that kind of stuff, we shot those things on IMAX. | 那种东西,我们拍那些东西 在IMAX。 |
| 54 | But was it the old IMAX, the loud IMAX camera? | 是旧的IMAX 响亮的IMAX相机吗? |
| 55 | Well, it was exactly. | 没错 |
| 56 | You could shoot action with it and everything, | 你可以用它来拍摄动作和一切 |
| 57 | but the cameras are incredibly loud | 但摄像头非常响亮 |
| 58 | because the film is huge and it's running through very fast. | 因为这部电影是巨大的,并且运行非常快. |
| 59 | So it sounds kind of like a generator | 听起来有点像发电机 |
| 60 | or a tractor or something. | 或者拖拉机之类的 |
| 61 | You can't do dialogue. | 你不能做对话。 |
| 62 | So you can't do dialogue. | 所以,你不能做对话。 |
| 63 | And we've never been able to do dialogue. | 我们一直无法进行对话。 |
| 64 | On this film, I finally called IMAX and I'm like, | 在这部电影中,我终于给IMAX打了电话,我很喜欢, |
| 65 | look, if ever there was a story | 听着,如果有故事的话 |
| 66 | that you were gonna try and do every frame in IMAX, | 你会尝试做 IMAX 中的每一帧, |
| 67 | it would be the Odyssey. | 这将是奥德赛。 |
| 68 | So can you find some way to help us record the dialogue? | 你能想办法让我们记录一下对话吗? |
| 69 | And what they did is they built this sort of high tech box | 他们做的是建造了这种高科技的盒子 |
| 70 | for us called a blimping system. | 我们称之为闪烁的系统 |
| 71 | And you put the camera in it and it made it silent. | 你把相机放进去 它就让它安静下来了 |
| 72 | So, you know, we could then do all the scenes on IMAX, | 所以,你知道,我们可以做 所有场景在IMAX, |
| 73 | including the dialogue scenes with the actors. | 包括与各行为者的对话场景。 |
| 74 | How much film did you use? | 你用了多少电影? |
| 75 | Two million feet of film. | 两百万英尺的胶片 |
| 76 | A lot of film. | 很多电影。 |
| 77 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 78 | Look at this. | 看看这个。 |
| 79 | This here, you're directing the giant IMAX camera. | 在这里,你正在指挥 巨大的IMAX相机。 |
| 80 | Oh my gosh. | 天呐 |
| 81 | And then here's, using the blimp technology, | 然后这里,使用蓝宝石技术, |
| 82 | what they call it, but with the cover, | 他们管它叫什么 但用封面 |
| 83 | the case to make it quiet. | 这个案子是为了让它安静 |
| 84 | But it's so big, the camera, that actors can't see | 但镜头太大了 演员看不见 |
| 85 | if you're doing a close-up scene, | 如果你正在做一个特写场景, |
| 86 | you can't see across from you. | 你看不到对面 |
| 87 | Yeah, you can't see the other actor past it | 是啊,你看不到另一个演员过去 |
| 88 | because it's this giant box. | 因为它是一个巨大的盒子。 |
| 89 | So you invented another invention. | 所以你发明了另一个发明。 |
| 90 | So we invented a mirror system | 所以我们发明了一个镜像系统 |
| 91 | that the camera guys figured out how to use it. | 摄影师想出了如何使用它。 |
| 92 | You're like a crazy inventor now. | 你现在像个疯狂的发明家 |
| 93 | Well, my director of photography, Hoyta van Hoytemaat, | 我的摄影总监霍伊塔·范·霍伊特马特 |
| 94 | he's a great artist. | 他是一个伟大的艺术家。 |
| 95 | But he's also kind of an engineer. | 但他还是个工程师 |
| 96 | So when you set him a challenge, | 所以当你给他设下挑战 |
| 97 | and I said, what if we use two mirrors | 我说,如果我们用两面镜子 |
| 98 | and do some kind of periscope thing, | 做一些潜望镜的事情, |
| 99 | he and his guys found a way to do it. | 他和他的手下找到了办法 |
| 100 | This is kind of the mirror system, if you can see. | 这是一种镜像系统,如果你能看到。 |
| 101 | Yeah, let's be looking into it. | 是啊,让我们调查一下。 |
| 102 | So you can act across from each other. | 这样你们就可以对面行动 |
| 103 | That's fantastic. | 这太棒了。 |
| 104 | Yeah, so the actors can make real eye contact | 是啊,所以演员可以 真正的眼睛接触 |
| 105 | and actually perform together. | 和实际上一起表演。 |
| 106 | Did you ever ever think to yourself, | 你有没有想过自己, |
| 107 | man, next movie, I want to do an easy one? | 下一部电影,我想做一部轻松的电影? |
| 108 | How about Christopher Nolan rom-com? | 克里斯托弗・诺兰・罗姆康姆怎么样? |
| 109 | I think doing a rom-com would be incredibly difficult. | 我认为做一个ROM -com会非常困难。 |
| 110 | I love watching those movies. | 我喜欢看这些电影。 |
| 111 | But no, I think comedy, like people who direct comedy, | 但是不 我觉得喜剧 就像导演喜剧的人 |
| 112 | people who do comedy, | 做喜剧的人, |
| 113 | I think that's one of the hardest things in the world, | 我想这是世界上最难的事之一 |
| 114 | to make people laugh that way. | 让人们那样笑 |
| 115 | And particularly, the risk of taking, when you make a film... | 特别是你拍电影时冒的风险... |
| 116 | You know, if I show a film to people | 如果我给别人看电影 |
| 117 | and maybe they don't respond to bits of it, | 也许他们不回应 一点点, |
| 118 | I'm like, ah, they don't get it, you know? | 我就像,啊,他们不明白,你知道吗? |
| 119 | There's no hiding behind that when you do comedy. | 当你做喜剧的时候 根本就躲不起来 |
| 120 | Yeah, trust me. | 对 相信我 |
| 121 | I would be terrified of doing... | 我会害怕做... |
| 122 | But everything on this movie is shot practically. | 但这部电影上的一切几乎都是拍摄的. |
| 123 | I mean, these ships are actual ships. | 我的意思是,这些船是真正的船。 |
| 124 | Where did you get those ships? | 你从哪弄来的船? |
| 125 | Stavanger in Norway. | 挪威的斯塔万格. |
| 126 | We found a Viking ship that had been built | 我们发现一艘维京船已经建成 |
| 127 | exactly according to those ancient specifications. | 根据这些古老的规格 |
| 128 | And it was very much the hull shape and the rig | 更像是船体形状和钻机 |
| 129 | that we needed to do a Bronze Age ship. | 我们需要做青铜时代的飞船。 |
| 130 | And where are you when the ship is going? | 船要开时你在哪里? |
| 131 | Are you on a different ship? | 你在另一艘船上吗? |
| 132 | No, I'm on the ship with everybody, cast and crew, | 不,我在船上与所有人, 演员和船员, |
| 133 | Odysseus' men, his group of guys. | 奥德修斯的手下 他的手下 |
| 134 | They had to learn how to row it. | 他们必须学会划船 |
| 135 | They had to learn how to put the sail up. | 他们必须学会如何把帆挂起来。 |
| 136 | We took the crew. | 我们带走了船员 |
| 137 | It's a crew of about 26 people needed for that vessel. | 这艘船需要26人 |
| 138 | And we put their crew all in our costumes. | 我们把他们的船员都穿上我们的服装。 |
| 139 | They became part of the movie crew, as it were. | 他们成了电影组的成员,就像以前一样。 |
| 140 | And Odysseus' guys, the actors joined in with them. | 而奥德修斯的手下,演员们也加入了他们. |
| 141 | They figured out how to raise the sail, | 他们想出怎么升帆 |
| 142 | how to rig it, how to row all of this stuff. | 如何安装,如何划这些东西。 |
| 143 | And they were on there for months. | 他们在那里呆了几个月 |
| 144 | Do you feel like you kind of went through an odyssey? | 你感觉你好像经历了一次大赛? |
| 145 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 146 | I think everybody involved with the film genuinely | 我认为每个人都真正参与到电影中 |
| 147 | feels that way. | 那样的感觉 |
| 148 | You know, when I first talked to Matt Damon, | 我第一次和马特·达蒙谈话时 |
| 149 | who plays Odysseus, when I first... | 谁扮演奥德修斯, 当我第一次... |
| 150 | Yep, he's incredible. | 是的,他令人难以置信。 |
| 151 | And he was the key to it, really, because I said to him, | 他才是关键,真的 因为我对他说, |
| 152 | look, it's going to be hard. | 你看,这将是很难的。 |
| 153 | And he said, yeah. | 他说,是啊。 |
| 154 | And I said, no, really hard. | 我说,不,真的很难。 |
| 155 | And it was. | 这是。 |
| 156 | But he valued being there, doing that. | 但他珍视在那里,这样做。 |
| 157 | He saw every challenge as an opportunity. | 他认为每一个挑战都是一个机会。 |
| 158 | So everybody else, you know, he's leading from the front. | 所以其他人,你知道, 他从前面领导。 |
| 159 | The rest of the cast and all of the crew, | 其余的演员和全体船员 |
| 160 | it reminded us all how lucky we are to do what we do, | 它提醒了我们所有人 我们做我们做的事是多么幸运, |
| 161 | to be there doing it. | 在那里这样做。 |
| 162 | And he's just a tremendous leader in that. | 他只是个伟大的领袖 |
| 163 | No, and you have just the greatest reputation. | 不,你只有最大的名声 |
| 164 | Everyone who's come on the show says how much they love you | 参加节目的每个人都说你有多爱你 |
| 165 | and how great of a leader you are to everybody. | 以及你对每个人多么伟大的领导者 |
| 166 | And you just made everyone feel so comfortable. | 你只是让大家都觉得很舒服 |
| 167 | But you're so smart and you are directing. | 但你很聪明,你正在指挥。 |
| 168 | But it's a massive thing. | 但它是一个巨大的事情。 |
| 169 | What you see in your eyesight, in your brain, | 在你的视力, 在你的大脑, |
| 170 | is what we see on the screen. | 是我们在屏幕上看到的 |
| 171 | It's as big as you can think. | 其大如来智. |
| 172 | I mean, there's a scene I don't want to give too much away. | 我的意思是,有一个场景 我不想给太多。 |
| 173 | But there's a scene where all these ghosts are rising out | 但有一个场景,这些鬼都出来了 |
| 174 | of the sand. | 沙滩 |
| 175 | And Matt Damon told me that they were actual stunt | Matt Damon告诉我,他们是真正的特技 |
| 176 | actors buried with snorkels to breathe. | 演员用吸水器掩埋呼吸 |
| 177 | What other secrets did he give away? | 他还透露了什么秘密? |
| 178 | Yeah, that's right. | 没错 |
| 179 | I don't want to spoil the ending. | 我不想破坏结局 |
| 180 | The ship sinks at the end. | 船尾沉没. |
| 181 | No, I don't. | 不,我没有。 |
| 182 | I'm making it up. | 我在编 |
| 183 | That's a different movie. | 那是另一部电影 |
| 184 | But he said watching that was just something | 但他说看那只是东西 |
| 185 | he never could imagine. | 他无法想象 |
| 186 | You would think visual effects would do that. | 你会认为视觉效果会做到这一点。 |
| 187 | But you combine them. | 但是,你结合他们。 |
| 188 | The Cyclops is a real actor. | 独眼巨人是真正的演员. |
| 189 | Well, everything in that sequence, | 嗯,所有在那个顺序, |
| 190 | we used every trick in the book, a lot of different methods | 我们用了书中的每一招, 很多不同的方法 |
| 191 | from puppetry, animatronics, CG, everything. | 从木偶,动画,CG,一切。 |
| 192 | But it's all guided by my good friend Bill Irwin. | 但这一切都由我的好朋友比尔·欧文指导. |
| 193 | Bill Irwin. | 比尔·欧文. |
| 194 | And Bill had puppeteered the robot Tars | 比尔把机器人塔斯给玩偶了 |
| 195 | and provided the voice in Interstellar. | 并提供了星际之声 |
| 196 | So every time that robot moved, he went all around the world, | 所以每一次机器人移动, 他走遍了世界各地, |
| 197 | including waist-deep in water in Iceland, moving this thing, | 包括冰岛水深的腰部 移动这东西 |
| 198 | and creating a sense of personality. | 创造个性感 |
| 199 | Because Bill is a great actor. | 因为比尔是一个伟大的演员。 |
| 200 | He's also a clown. | 他也是一个小丑。 |
| 201 | No, no, I mean an actual clown. | 不,不,我的意思是一个真正的小丑。 |
| 202 | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 释曰. |
| 203 | Respect to all the clowns out there. | 尊重外面所有的小丑们 |
| 204 | Yeah, yeah, you're speaking to one. | 是啊,是啊,你说话一个。 |
| 205 | Yeah, absolutely, yeah. | 是的,当然,是的。 |
| 206 | But not as good as Bill Irwin. | 但不如比尔·欧文 |
| 207 | He's fantastic. | 他很厉害 |
| 208 | He's amazing. | 他很厉害 |
| 209 | And I called him right away when I | 我马上打给他 |
| 210 | knew we were taking this on, because I | 知道我们要承担这个,因为我 |
| 211 | knew that one of the things I learned from my good friend | 知道我从好朋友那里学到的一件事 |
| 212 | Guillermo del Toro is a monster is never just a monster. | 吉列尔莫·德尔 托罗是怪物 永远不是怪物 |
| 213 | And if you can look at these creatures | 如果你能看到这些生物 |
| 214 | with some kind of individuality, if they can have a presence | 只要他们能存在 |
| 215 | behind them, a personality, they're | 他们身后,个性,他们 |
| 216 | going to mean more in the film, whether it's a threat | 电影里会有更多的意义, 不管它是一个威胁 |
| 217 | or whether it's something you care about, all of that. | 或者你关心的是什么 这一切 |
| 218 | And so it needed to be guided by a performer. | 所以它需要由表演者来指导。 |
| 219 | And so everything we did with Cyclops, | 所以我们对独眼巨人所做的一切 |
| 220 | and there's a lot of different ways we took it on, | 有很多不同的方式 我们把它, |
| 221 | Bill is behind all of it. | 比尔是幕后黑手 |
| 222 | It was frightening. | 这太可怕了。 |
| 223 | It's unbelievably scary. | 令人惊骇. |
| 224 | It's frightening. | 这太可怕了 |
| 225 | But also, the sets aren't even sets. | 但是,还有, 集甚至没有设置。 |
| 226 | Were you in a real cave? | 你在真正的洞穴里吗? |
| 227 | We were in a real cave. | 我们在一个真正的洞穴里。 |
| 228 | And my production designer, Ruth DeYoung, | 还有我的制作设计师露丝·德永 |
| 229 | when we were scouting, we found this giant cave. | 当我们在侦察时 我们发现了一个巨大的洞穴 |
| 230 | And she said to me, well, let's just film it here. | 她对我说,好吧,让我们在这里拍摄它。 |
| 231 | And I was like, well, I've done a lot of cave movies. | 我做了很多洞穴电影 |
| 232 | We always build a cave. | 我们总是建造一个洞穴。 |
| 233 | We're going to wind up building the cave. | 终将建洞. |
| 234 | Batman, anyone? | 蝙蝠侠,有人吗? |
| 235 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 236 | Hello. | 哈罗 |
| 237 | Yeah, I think I've seen a bat cave or two. | 是的,我想我见过一两个蝙蝠洞。 |
| 238 | Yeah, yeah, hello. | 对,对,你好 |
| 239 | And eventually, Ruth just convinced me. | 最后 露丝说服了我 |
| 240 | It's like, no, this really could work. | 这就像,不, 这真的可以工作。 |
| 241 | We had an incredibly high ceiling, a hole in the top | 我们有一个惊人的天花板, 一个洞在顶端 |
| 242 | so we could rig down through it and bring all of our stuff in. | 这样我们就可以把东西都装进去了 |
| 243 | So every morning, everyone would hike up the path | 所以每天早上 每个人都会走在路上 |
| 244 | that you see in the film. | 你在电影里看到的 |
| 245 | That's the approach to it, where they go up. | 这就是方法,在那里他们去。 |
| 246 | That's how you get to set. | 这就是你如何设置。 |
| 247 | That's how you get it. | 即得法门. |
| 248 | You get to set just like Odysseus got there and into the cave. | 就像奥德修斯那样 进入洞穴 |
| 249 | And then, yeah, everything that happens in the cave | 然后,对,所有发生在洞穴里的事情 |
| 250 | really happened in the cave. | 真的发生在洞穴里。 |
| 251 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 252 | We've had a bunch of the cast on the show. | 节目里有一堆演员 |
| 253 | We've been very lucky. | 我们很幸运 |
| 254 | And they've all said, oh, my gosh, | 他们都说,哦,我的天啊, |
| 255 | getting the call from Christopher Nolan | 接到克里斯托弗·诺兰的电话 |
| 256 | is an immediate yes. | 即时是曰. |
| 257 | Have you ever gotten a no? | 你有没有得到一个不? |
| 258 | Have I ever gotten a no? | 我曾经得到一个不? |
| 259 | Yeah, I have. | 是的,我见过。 |
| 260 | Besides me, when I said I didn't want to do Batman. | 除了我,当我说我不想做蝙蝠侠。 |
| 261 | The only no I would cop to is David Bowie for The Prestige. | 我唯一不愿接受的就是大卫·鲍伊的《预言》 |
| 262 | He was my great idol and everything. | 他是我伟大的偶像和一切。 |
| 263 | And I thought he'd be perfect to play Nikola Tesla. | 我以为他很适合演尼古拉·特斯拉 |
| 264 | And we sent him the script and everything. | 我们把剧本和一切都寄给他了 |
| 265 | He said no. | 他说不行。 |
| 266 | And first time really ever, I went back and said, | 第一次真的,我回去说, |
| 267 | can I just go and meet him? | 我可以去见他吗? |
| 268 | Can I try and convince him in the room? | 我能在房间里说服他吗? |
| 269 | And they agreed. | 他们同意了 |
| 270 | And I hastily wrote him a better speech | 我匆忙地写了一个更好的演讲 |
| 271 | for his first appearance, turned up with a new script. | 他第一次出现时 出现了新的剧本 |
| 272 | And basically begged and got him to do it. | 基本上,求他 并让他这样做。 |
| 273 | So I turned the no into a yes. | 所以我把"不"变成"是" |
| 274 | Yes, see? | 是的,看见了吗? |
| 275 | But you did get a no from the coolest kid in school. | 但你确实从学校最酷的孩子那里得到了拒绝. |
| 276 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 277 | The movie is set in Greek mythology. | 电影设定在希腊神话中. |
| 278 | But there's also a lot of mythology | 但也有许多神话 |
| 279 | about Christopher Nolan. | 关于克里斯托弗·诺兰 |
| 280 | And I thought it'd be kind of fun | 我以为会很有趣 |
| 281 | if I read a few things out there on the internet. | 如果我在网上读到一些东西 |
| 282 | And you can tell me if they're true or debunk them. | 你可以告诉我他们是否属实 或解冻他们。 |
| 283 | Is that do you mind? | 你介意吗? |
| 284 | Depends. | 要看情况 |
| 285 | Yeah, well, yeah. | 对,没错 |
| 286 | If you don't like it, we don't have to air it. | 如果你不喜欢,我们就不用吹了 |
| 287 | OK. | 摆 |
| 288 | But all right. | 但没关系。 |
| 289 | I heard that there are no cell phones allowed | 听说没有手机 |
| 290 | on a Christopher Nolan set. | 在克里斯托弗·诺兰套房 |
| 291 | And furthermore, Christopher Nolan | 还有克里斯托弗·诺兰 |
| 292 | doesn't own a smartphone or have an email address. | 没有智能手机或电子邮件地址。 |
| 293 | True. | 没错 |
| 294 | How do you do this giant movie with no email or text? | 你怎么拍这部没有电子邮件和短信的巨型电影? |
| 295 | I am surrounded by people helping me all the time. | 我身边的人一直在帮助我。 |
| 296 | It's like it would actually be pretty hard for me | 好像我很难受 |
| 297 | to get away from the information that people | 远离人们的信息 |
| 298 | are trying to give me. | 试图给我。 |
| 299 | Are you tempted to get a smartphone? | 你想买个智能手机吗? |
| 300 | You know, I kind of like I have a flip phone, | 你知道,我有点喜欢 我有一个翻转电话, |
| 301 | like a dumb phone I use when I travel and stuff. | 就像我旅行时用的哑电话一样 |
| 302 | And that's kind of great. | 和这是一种伟大的。 |
| 303 | I think I would be horribly addicted to it if I had it. | 我想我会 可怕的上瘾 如果我拥有它。 |
| 304 | I think I would lose those pockets of time | 我想我会失去那些口袋的时间 |
| 305 | that I really value where you're just thinking. | 我真的很珍视你的思考 |
| 306 | You know, just sort of looking out the window | 你知道,只是看着窗外 |
| 307 | and thinking about what your next film might be. | 想想你的下一部电影可能是什么 |
| 308 | You know? | 你知道吗? |
| 309 | How about this one? | 这个怎么样? |
| 310 | Airport customs agents almost disposed of your IMAX film | 机场海关人员几乎处理掉你的IMAX胶片 |
| 311 | while shooting The Odyssey. | 在拍摄奥德赛时 |
| 312 | That is true. | 没错 |
| 313 | Yes. | 对 |
| 314 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 315 | That is very true. | 这是非常正确的。 |
| 316 | No. | 没有 |
| 317 | They opened up all the cans when we were going to Scotland. | 当我们去苏格兰时 他们打开了所有的罐子 |
| 318 | Scotland? | 苏格兰? |
| 319 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 320 | I mean, I think film. | 我的意思是,我认为电影。 |
| 321 | Is there a shampoo in here? | 里面有洗发水吗? |
| 322 | You're trying to smuggle a bottle of water? | 你想走私一瓶水吗? |
| 323 | It was a massive amount of film cans. | 这是大量的电影罐。 |
| 324 | And they did not actually expose it. | 他们并没有真正揭露它。 |
| 325 | We were able to rescue it. | 我们能救出它 |
| 326 | Were you sweating that one? | 你出汗了吗? |
| 327 | Oh, yeah. | 对 |
| 328 | You're like, I can't reshoot this, buddy. | 你就像,我不能重拍这个,伙计。 |
| 329 | We were in a cave. | 我们在一个洞穴里 |
| 330 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 331 | But when Star Wars came out, you saw it 12 times at the movie | 但当《星球大战》上映时 你在电影里看了12次 |
| 332 | theater. | 剧院。 |
| 333 | Yeah, absolutely. | 当然 |
| 334 | The first Star Wars. | 第一次星球大战. |
| 335 | I mean, that was the event. | 我的意思是,这就是事件。 |
| 336 | I mean, it's pre-home video as well. | 我的意思是,这是家庭前的视频。 |
| 337 | So if you wanted to see it again, you know, | 所以,如果你想再次看到它, 你知道, |
| 338 | there was no VHS machine or whatever. | 没有VHS机什么的 |
| 339 | This is 1977. | 这是1977年。 |
| 340 | So I absolutely love that movie and still love it. | 所以我绝对喜欢那部电影 并且仍然喜欢它。 |
| 341 | And yeah, 12 times. | 对,12次 |
| 342 | How old were you then? | 当时你几岁? |
| 343 | I was seven when it came out. | 出来的时候我才七岁 |
| 344 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 345 | Wow. | 珃 |
| 346 | And your parents are in the film? | 你父母在电影里? |
| 347 | Or who would you see it with? | 或者你跟谁一起看? |
| 348 | I dragged my parents, made them take me. | 我拖着我的父母,让他们带走我。 |
| 349 | Good for your mom and dad. | 对你父母都好 |
| 350 | Look who you made, mom and dad. | 看看你是谁,爸妈 |
| 351 | Come on, you're going to be proud of this guy. | 来吧,你会为这个家伙骄傲的。 |
| 352 | There you go. | 给你。 |
| 353 | He's Christopher Nolan. | 他是克里斯托弗·诺兰. |
| 354 | That's fun. | 这很有趣。 |
| 355 | What did you love about it? | 你爱它什么? |
| 356 | Did you love the directing? | 你喜欢导演吗? |
| 357 | Did you love the score? | 你喜欢这个分数吗? |
| 358 | What was it about Star Wars that you loved? | 你爱的星球大战是什么? |
| 359 | The humor? | 幽默吗? |
| 360 | I really loved the otherworldly aspect, | 我真的很喜欢另一个世界 |
| 361 | you know, that you could go to the movies | 你知道,你可以去看电影 |
| 362 | and the screen would kind of open up and just take you | 屏幕会打开 然后带你走 |
| 363 | someplace. | 某处. |
| 364 | And you'd be in this other world for a couple hours. | 你会在这另一个世界呆上几个小时 |
| 365 | And I think a lot of the films I've made are definitely | 我认为我拍的很多电影绝对是 |
| 366 | The Odyssey. | 奥德赛人. |
| 367 | It's kind of an attempt to get back to that feeling of, | 这是一种尝试 回到那种感觉, |
| 368 | like, you know, anything can happen through that screen. | 就像,你知道,任何事情 都可能通过屏幕发生。 |
| 369 | Yeah, I'm like, where are we? | 是的,我想,我们在哪里? |
| 370 | You know, Tom Holland was on the show and we were talking. | 你知道,汤姆·霍兰德在节目里,我们说话。 |
| 371 | And he goes, when you get the call from Christopher Nolan, | 他走了,当你接到克里斯托弗・诺兰的电话, |
| 372 | he goes, yeah. | 他去,对。 |
| 373 | He goes, well, my agents didn't actually | 他去,好了,我的探员实际上没有 |
| 374 | know what the movie was. | 知道电影是什么吗? |
| 375 | They said they thought it was a space movie or a vampire movie. | 他们说他们认为这是一部太空电影或吸血鬼电影. |
| 376 | And he goes, but either way, I said, yes, I'll do it. | 他走了,但无论哪种方式,我说,是的,我会做到这一点。 |
| 377 | It was neat. | 不错 |
| 378 | There was The Odyssey. | 有奥德赛。 |
| 379 | Yeah, how about this? | 是啊,这样如何? |
| 380 | Before you were making movies, you were making | 在你拍电影之前,你在拍 |
| 381 | corporate training videos. | 公司培训录像。 |
| 382 | Yeah, that's true. | 没错 |
| 383 | This is true. | 这是真的。 |
| 384 | For what? | 为什么? |
| 385 | Like, different companies, Intel was one. | 像,不同的公司, 英特尔是一个。 |
| 386 | I did, you know, you would do these little videos | 我做了,你知道, 你会做这些小视频 |
| 387 | for what they needed in-house, in-house communications | 他们需要内部、内部通信 |
| 388 | and stuff. | 和东西。 |
| 389 | Was it like an $800 million budget | 是8亿美元的预算吗? |
| 390 | on these training videos? | 这些训练录像? |
| 391 | It was not. | 没有。 |
| 392 | No, but it was actually a pretty good lesson. | 不,但这是一个很好的教训。 |
| 393 | And you turn up in some exec's office, | 你来到某个执行官的办公室 |
| 394 | who would have no patience, and you'd | 谁没有耐心,你就会 |
| 395 | have to throw up a couple of lights. | 得吐两盏灯. |
| 396 | And so these people would have no patience with you, | 这样这些人就不会对你忍耐了 |
| 397 | but they'd want to look great on camera. | 但他们想在摄像机上好看 |
| 398 | So you know, you learn to light things pretty fast. | 所以,你知道,你学会 点亮的东西相当快。 |
| 399 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 400 | Move on and, you know, get on with it. | 继续,你知道的,继续。 |
| 401 | How about this one? | 这个怎么样? |
| 402 | You'll watch Talladega Nights, the ballad of Ricky Bobby, | 你会看塔拉迪加之夜 瑞奇·鲍比的舞会 |
| 403 | any time you can catch it on TV. | 随时可以在电视上看到 |
| 404 | Shake and bake. | 摇摆烤. |
| 405 | Come on. | 来吧。 |
| 406 | Will will love that. | 威尔会喜欢的 |
| 407 | You make movies with your partner, Emma Thomas, | 你和你搭档艾玛·托马斯拍电影 |
| 408 | a producing partner and life partner. | 生产伴侣和生活伴侣。 |
| 409 | But also, your kids are on this film as well. | 但你的孩子也在这部电影里 |
| 410 | Yes, we have four children. | 是的,我们有四个孩子 |
| 411 | And we put them all to work on the film | 我们把它们都放在电影上 |
| 412 | in different departments. | 在不同的部门。 |
| 413 | It was a family affair. | 那是个家庭事 |
| 414 | It was pretty amazing. | 这是相当惊人的。 |
| 415 | I mean, obviously, it's work. | 我的意思是,很明显,这是工作。 |
| 416 | But I mean, do you get to just look at your kid | 但是,我的意思是,你得到 只是看看你的孩子, |
| 417 | and go, it's pretty cool? | 去,这很酷吗? |
| 418 | Very quietly. | 非常安静 |
| 419 | I didn't want to blow their cover, you know? | 我不想让他们暴露身份 |
| 420 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 421 | You got to be cool with that, yeah. | 你得冷静下来,是的。 |
| 422 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 423 | It was fun. | 这很有趣。 |
| 424 | It's fun when you go to work. | 上工时乐. |
| 425 | And you could see your kid there and then order them around | 你可以看到你的孩子在那里 然后命令他们 |
| 426 | and make them do horrible things. | 让他们做可怕的事 |
| 427 | It was cool. | 这很酷。 |
| 428 | And they, yeah, they, like everybody else on the shoot, | 他们,是的,他们, 像其他人在拍摄, |
| 429 | they earned their pay. | 他们挣到了薪水。 |
| 430 | They worked hard, yeah, absolutely. | 他们很努力,是的,绝对的。 |
| 431 | They worked hard. | 他们努力工作。 |
| 432 | Everybody did. | 每个人都这样 |
| 433 | For anyone not familiar with The Odyssey, | 对于不熟悉奥德赛的人来说 |
| 434 | can we set up what the film is about? | 我们能设定电影的内容吗? |
| 435 | I mean, it's the oldest. | 我的意思是,这是最古老的。 |
| 436 | Yes. | 对 |
| 437 | I mean, The Odyssey is really the story | 我的意思是,奥德赛是真正的故事 |
| 438 | of Odysseus being missing after the end of the Trojan War. | 奥德修斯在特洛伊战争结束后失踪 |
| 439 | And so the Trojan War has ended, and he has not made it home. | 于是特洛伊战争结束,他没有回家. |
| 440 | And so the story is cutting between the events in Ithaca, | 故事发生在伊萨卡的事件之间 |
| 441 | where he's from, where they're wishing | 他来自哪里,他们希望哪里 |
| 442 | that he would come back. | 他会回来的 |
| 443 | And then we get to find out what's happened | 然后我们就能知道发生了什么 |
| 444 | on his amazing journey home. | 在他的惊人的旅程回家。 |
| 445 | Yeah, and he has to get back to Anne Hathaway, | 是的,他必须回到安妮・海瑟威, |
| 446 | who's also fantastic. | 谁是神奇的。 |
| 447 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 448 | Everyone's great. | 每个人都很好。 |
| 449 | Everyone's so good. | 诸人皆善. |
| 450 | John Leguizamo, by the way, loved him as well. | 顺便说一句,约翰·勒吉扎莫也爱他. |
| 451 | Loved everything. | 爱一切. |
| 452 | Oh, there's so many good bits in here. | 这里有很多好东西 |
| 453 | I want to show everyone a clip. | 我想给大家看片段 |
| 454 | Here's a peek at The Odyssey. | 这里有一个偷看奥德赛。 |
| 455 | Take a look. | 看看这个。 |
| 456 | We'll raise the sail, follow the southerly winds. | 举帆而行,随南风而行. |
| 457 | Yes, sir. | 是 长官 |
| 458 | Agamemnon's rowing west on the known provisions route. | 阿伽门农在已知的补给路线上向西划船. |
| 459 | He's got more mouths to feed. | 口多供养. |
| 460 | We'll find places to land. | 我们会找到着陆的地方 |
| 461 | Are you sure it's a risk? | 你确定有风险吗? |
| 462 | I followed Agamemnon long enough. | 我跟踪阿伽门农的时间足够长了 |
| 463 | With a little luck and the right winds, | 有一点运气和正确的风, |
| 464 | we'll see some of the world still be home before Agamemnon. | 在阿伽门农之前,我们会看到一些世界仍然在家 |
| 465 | I would just say we got to see it on 70 millimeter. | 我只能说,我们必须看到它 在70毫米。 |
| 466 | We got to see it. | 我们得看看 |
| 467 | And we just all saw it with a bunch of comedy writers | 我们都看到它与一群喜剧作家 |
| 468 | from our show. | 从我们的节目。 |
| 469 | And everyone was just in awe, just in a different world, | 每个人都在敬畏, 在一个不同的世界, |
| 470 | loved every performance, loved the score, loved the lighting. | 热爱每一场演出,热爱乐谱,热爱照明. |
| 471 | I felt like I'd been through something. | 我觉得我经历了一些事情。 |
| 472 | It was such a great experience. | 这是如此伟大的经验。 |
| 473 | I can't thank you enough for all that you do, | 我无法感谢你所做的一切 |
| 474 | for the industry, for the business. | 工业,商业。 |
| 475 | And thank you for making these great, great movies. | 谢谢你拍这些很棒的电影 |
| 476 | Please make more and come back whenever you want. | 请多做点,随时回来 |
| 477 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 478 | Christopher Nolan, everybody, | 克里斯托弗·诺兰 各位 |
| 479 | the Honest Heaters, and IMAX now. | 诚实的希特斯和IMAX现在。 |
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