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| 0:00 | Our weekend big read this week is a profile of Cami Clark, | 我们周末的大阅读本周 是卡米克拉克的简介, |
| 0:04 | Anthropic CEO 达里奥·阿莫代的妻子, | |
| 0:07 | my colleagues Corey Weinberg, Jemima McAvoy, | 我的同事科里·温伯格 杰米玛·麦卡沃伊 |
| 0:09 | Stephanie Palazzolo和我们的主编 | |
| 0:11 | Jessica Lessin did a ton of great reporting for this story. | 杰西卡·莱辛为这个故事做了大量出色的报道. |
| 0:15 | It is a must read. | 这是必须读的。 |
| 0:17 | I want to bring on Jemima and Corey to share | 我想让杰米玛和科里分享 |
| 0:19 | more with us about what they found. | 更多关于他们发现的东西 |
| 0:21 | Welcome back to the show both of you. | 欢迎回到节目 你们两个。 |
| 0:22 | It's great to have you here. | 很高兴你能来 |
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| 1 | Our weekend big read this week is a profile of Cami Clark, | 我们周末的大阅读本周 是卡米克拉克的简介, |
| 2 | Anthropic CEO 达里奥·阿莫代的妻子, | |
| 3 | my colleagues Corey Weinberg, Jemima McAvoy, | 我的同事科里·温伯格 杰米玛·麦卡沃伊 |
| 4 | Stephanie Palazzolo和我们的主编 | |
| 5 | Jessica Lessin did a ton of great reporting for this story. | 杰西卡·莱辛为这个故事做了大量出色的报道. |
| 6 | It is a must read. | 这是必须读的。 |
| 7 | I want to bring on Jemima and Corey to share | 我想让杰米玛和科里分享 |
| 8 | more with us about what they found. | 更多关于他们发现的东西 |
| 9 | Welcome back to the show both of you. | 欢迎回到节目 你们两个。 |
| 10 | It's great to have you here. | 很高兴你能来 |
| 11 | Hey, Kof. | 嘿, 科夫. 库夫. |
| 12 | Okay, Corey. | 好吧,科里。 。 。 |
| 13 | So I'm going to start with you. | 所以我要从你开始 |
| 14 | So why did you decide to profile Cami Clark? | 那你为什么决定给Cami Clark做简介? |
| 15 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 16 | Cami has become | 卡米变成了 |
| 17 | kind of a really essential and influential figure | 那种真正重要和有影响力的人物 |
| 18 | in Dario Amodei's circle, | 在达里奥·阿莫代的圈子里 |
| 19 | and we knew absolutely nothing about her. | 我们对她一无所知 |
| 20 | Good reason to write a story about her, I guess. | 我想是写她故事的好理由 |
| 21 | I think that's what editors say is not | 我想编辑们是这么说的 |
| 22 | a tough call in terms of green light. | 绿色光线的强烈呼唤 |
| 23 | But also obviously the other factor here is | 但显然这里的另一个因素是 |
| 24 | that Atropix sort of | 阿特罗皮克斯那种 |
| 25 | rise to the stratosphere that it's in now in business and tech, | 升到平流层,它现在进入 商业和技术, |
| 26 | where it's talking about | 它在谈论 |
| 27 | $1 trillion, $2 trillion valuation IPO. | 1万亿美元,2万亿美元估值IPO. |
| 28 | That has sort of catapulted in a very short amount of time | 这在很短的时间内被点燃了 |
| 29 | into sort of the elite of the elite of the elite. | 成为精英精英的精英 |
| 30 | And there hasn't been time for us as journalists and reporters | 我们没有时间做记者和记者 |
| 31 | to catch up necessarily and figure out who are the players, | 要追赶 并找出谁是球员, |
| 32 | who are the people around the table. | 谁是桌旁的人。 |
| 33 | And so that's what this effort was all about. | 这就是我们努力的目的 |
| 34 | And so we're going to go through sort of her whole backstory | 所以我们要经历她整个故事 |
| 35 | because she has a very interesting journey here. | 因为她在这里的旅程很有趣 |
| 36 | But Corey, I mean, give us the highlight here | 但是,科里,我的意思是,给我们这里的亮点 |
| 37 | in terms of why has she become so important | 她为什么变得如此重要 |
| 38 | to Dario right now? | 现在去达里奥? |
| 39 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 40 | Other than the fact that she's his wife and, | 除了她是他的妻子的事实,还有, |
| 41 | you know, everyone's just standing up for their wife. | 你知道,每个人都只是站在自己的妻子。 |
| 42 | We all are with our spouses and partners. | 我们都与我们的配偶和伙伴在一起。 |
| 43 | No, I mean, Kami has been near Dario's side | 不,我是说,卡米一直靠近达里奥 |
| 44 | as he has been going kind of crisscrossing the globe | 他正在环游全球 |
| 45 | to the AI summit with Modi and India earlier this year | 今年早些时候与莫迪和印度举行的大赦国际首脑会议 |
| 46 | to business and investment conferences in Davos | 参加达沃斯商业和投资会议 |
| 47 | and in Sun Valley. | 和太阳谷。 |
| 48 | She is there. | 她就在这里。 |
| 49 | She is just off, like almost always like out of frame. | 她刚离开,就像几乎总是像 离框。 |
| 50 | You don't see her on stage. | 你没看见她在舞台上 |
| 51 | She doesn't get asked about in interviews. | 采访时不会问她 |
| 52 | And so she is sort of this person off to the side | 所以她有点像这个人 走到一边 |
| 53 | who is omnipresent. | 谁是无所不在的。 |
| 54 | She's become her role at Anthropic essentially. | 她基本上已经成为了自己在Anthropic的角色. |
| 55 | She has no formal role. | 她没有正式的角色。 |
| 56 | But in Dario's life, | 但是在达里奥的生活中 |
| 57 | she's been involved in things like obviously emotional support | 她参与过情感支持之类的事情 |
| 58 | as he has had a pretty intense year, | 他有一个相当紧张的一年, |
| 59 | but also more logistical and tactical support. | 但也有更多的后勤和战术支持。 |
| 60 | His security, getting involved in his security, | 他的安全, 介入他的安全, |
| 61 | his public image. | 他的公众形象。 |
| 62 | She has like a kind of broad, sprawling influence, | 她有种广泛的,无序的影响, |
| 63 | I would say, that I think a lot of people around Anthropic | 我想说,我认为很多人 围绕安特罗皮克 |
| 64 | are trying to figure out. | 正在试图弄清楚。 |
| 65 | So, Jemima, let's go back a little bit in time here. | 所以,杰米玛,让我们回到 一点点的时间在这里。 |
| 66 | I mean, tell us a little bit about where Kami got her start | 告诉我们卡米从哪里开始的 |
| 67 | professionally, the different ventures that she worked on, | 专业的,她从事的不同事业, |
| 68 | how she ultimately got to the... | 她最终是怎么... |
| 69 | Well, she met Dario at some point, | 她见过达里奥 |
| 70 | but how did she get to where she is now? | 但是她是怎么找到现在的位置的? |
| 71 | Yeah, so as we describe in the story, | 是啊,所以我们描述的故事, |
| 72 | it's definitely a long and winding path | 这绝对是一条漫长而曲折的道路 |
| 73 | that has a lot of interesting turns. | 有很多有趣的转弯。 |
| 74 | So we know that she is from Reno, Nevada, | 所以我们知道她来自内华达州里诺 |
| 75 | and she grew up in kind of a blue collar environment. | 她在蓝领环境中长大 |
| 76 | She had her first job working for a local height fitters union | 她的第一份工作是在当地的 高身联合会工作 |
| 77 | where a few of her family members worked. | 她的几个家庭成员在那里工作。 |
| 78 | She then moved to the Bay Area for college | 后来她搬到湾区念大学 |
| 79 | where she studied architecture at a design school here. | 她在这里的一所设计学校学习建筑。 |
| 80 | And she got a job working at Herman Miller, | 她得到了一份工作 在赫尔曼米勒, |
| 81 | and that's a furniture company, | 这是一家家具公司, |
| 82 | and that's really where she had this interesting window | 那真的是她有个有趣的窗户 |
| 83 | into Silicon Valley at the time. | 进入当时的硅谷. |
| 84 | And so she has this first interaction with Silicon Valley. | 所以她和硅谷有第一次互动 |
| 85 | 她后来为Leap Motion工作 | |
| 86 | which is a buzzy startup that was here. | 刚刚是一场闹剧 |
| 87 | But before that, she did try to launch | 但在那之前,她的确试图发射 |
| 88 | a couple of her own companies, | 她自己的几家公司, |
| 89 | the first of which was a high-end porn company | 其中第一个是高端色情公司 |
| 90 | called Edis, we believe it's pronounced. | 叫做Edis,我们相信它被宣告了。 |
| 91 | And so that was around 2009 with a friend of hers. | 那大概是2009年 她的一个朋友 |
| 92 | She launches this company. | 她推出这家公司。 |
| 93 | They're kind of trying to, | 他们试图, |
| 94 | they see this gap in the porn market | 他们看到了色情市场的差距 |
| 95 | where there's just not really good options for women | 女人没有好选择 |
| 96 | and they wanna create this more luxury woman-focused product. | 他们想创造出更注重女性的奢侈品 |
| 97 | They try to pitch it around Silicon Valley. | 他们试图把它绕过硅谷。 |
| 98 | They don't really have much luck, | 他们真的没有多少运气, |
| 99 | and that brings them into contact with Jeffrey Epstein. | 这让他们和杰弗里·爱泼斯坦有了联系 |
| 100 | This is in 2011, they pitch him to, | 这是在2011年,他们让他, |
| 101 | Cami pitches him to invest in the company. | 卡米让他投资公司。 |
| 102 | He turns it down and they have a few more communications. | 他拒绝了,他们还有几条通信 |
| 103 | So that's obviously an interesting element of the story. | 这显然是一个有趣的故事。 |
| 104 | That company doesn't end up working out. | 公司最终没有工作 |
| 105 | She launches another company | 她又开了一个公司 |
| 106 | called Female Algorithm Technologies | 称为女性算法技术 |
| 107 | in which she is intending to build | 她准备建造 |
| 108 | these high-tech health spas around the country, | 这些高科技的疗养院 在全国各地, |
| 109 | which she ends up getting investment from Eric Schmidt, | 她最后从埃里克·施密特那里得到投资 |
| 110 | who that's another entrance point to her, | 谁是她的另一个入口, |
| 111 | to the Silicon Valley world. | 到硅谷世界。 |
| 112 | She casually dates Eric Schmidt for a period. | 她随便约了埃里克·施密特一段时间 |
| 113 | 然后Eric把她介绍给Daria 对吗? | |
| 114 | We don't know how she met. | 我们不知道她是怎么认识的 |
| 115 | Oh, maybe not. | 哦,也许不是。 |
| 116 | Okay, maybe I'm sorry, may I? | 好吧,也许我很抱歉,我可以吗? |
| 117 | Correct me if I'm wrong, | 如果我错了,就纠正我 |
| 118 | but I don't think we ever managed to figure that one out. | 但我不认为我们 曾经设法解决。 |
| 119 | They met at some point when Daria was a postdoc at Stanford. | 他们是在达里亚是斯坦福大学博士后时认识的. |
| 120 | What you're thinking about. | 汝所念处. |
| 121 | But they both dated him, maybe that's the idea. | 但是他们都和他约会了 也许这就是主意 |
| 122 | Yeah, she introduced him, | 是的,她介绍他, |
| 123 | she introduced Eric Schmidt to Daria. | 她把埃里克·施密特介绍给达里亚 |
| 124 | That, yeah. | 对 |
| 125 | Okay, okay, got it. | 好吧,好吧,来吧。 |
| 126 | And so, I mean, Corey, all these ventures that she had, | 所以,我的意思是,科里, 所有这些冒险,她有, |
| 127 | I mean, I don't know what the common thread here is | 我的意思是,我不知道什么是这里的共同线 |
| 128 | in terms of her interests | 就她的利益而言 |
| 129 | or what type of entrepreneur she was hoping to become. | 或者她希望成为什么样的企业家 |
| 130 | I mean, what did we learn about, you know, | 我的意思是,我们学到了什么,你知道, |
| 131 | what type of person she is, you know, | 她是什么样的人,你知道, |
| 132 | her own ambitions with all this? | 她的野心与这一切? |
| 133 | I mean, I think there is a thread of women's health, | 我的意思是,我认为 有一条线 妇女的健康, |
| 134 | women's sexuality, how technology and AI | 妇女性行为、技术和AI |
| 135 | can sort of play a market role in that. | 能够在这方面发挥市场作用。 |
| 136 | We obtained a pitch deck that she had created | 我们得到了她创造的甲板 |
| 137 | to try to get investment into female algorithm technologies, | 尝试对女性算法技术进行投资, |
| 138 | this kind of failed startup | 这种失败的启动 |
| 139 | that was focused on women's health. | 重点是妇女的健康。 |
| 140 | We've also, the emails of her trying to pitch | 我们也有 她想投的邮件 |
| 141 | Jeffrey Epstein on potentially investing | 杰弗里·爱泼斯坦关于潜在投资 |
| 142 | in her previous company, | 在她以前的公司, |
| 143 | Edis is the sort of high-end pornographic company. | 艾迪斯是那种高端色情公司 |
| 144 | Those emails are public, | 这些邮件是公开的, |
| 145 | thanks to the DOJ sort of email dump on Epstein. | 多亏了司法部在爱泼斯坦的电子邮件 |
| 146 | And so we do see these little glimmers of how she, | 所以,我们确实看到 这些小闪光 如何她, |
| 147 | at least, you know, 10, 15 years ago was operating. | 至少,你知道,10,15年前是手术。 |
| 148 | She's fairly commercial, she's hustling, | 她相当广告化, 她胡思乱想, |
| 149 | she's trying to raise money. | 她想赚钱 |
| 150 | It's a very like Silicon Valley story in a way. | 颇似硅谷故事某方面. |
| 151 | It was also this very specific era in Silicon Valley | 也是硅谷这个非常特殊的时代 |
| 152 | where someone, you know, | 在某个人,你知道, |
| 153 | sort of was dialing for dollars for investment. | 某种程度上是拨美元投资。 |
| 154 | And this was right around the dot of the iPhone, | 这正好在iPhone的圆点周围, |
| 155 | right around the dot of social media. | 围绕社交媒体的点。 |
| 156 | It was, it's kind of feels like a whole generation ago | 感觉就像一代人以前一样 |
| 157 | compared to where we are with AI today, | 与今天我们与AI的关系相比, |
| 158 | where she sits near the center of it. | 在那里,她坐在它的中心。 |
| 159 | Right. | 对 |
| 160 | And Jemima, I mean, one of the interesting things | 和杰米玛,我的意思是,有趣的事情之一 |
| 161 | that you guys pointed to in your story | 你们在故事里指出的 |
| 162 | was sort of the differences in personality | 就是个性的不同 |
| 163 | between Dario and Cami and how they compliment each other | 达里奥和卡米之间 他们如何互相赞美 |
| 164 | personally, professionally. | 个人的,专业的。 |
| 165 | I mean, tell us a little bit about that. | 我的意思是,告诉我们一些关于这一点。 |
| 166 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 167 | So, I mean, Cory and he wrote this great profile of Dario, | 所以,我的意思是,科里和 他写了这个伟大的简介 达里奥, |
| 168 | which published last week. | 上个星期出版的 |
| 169 | And there's this, you know, | 还有,你知道, |
| 170 | quote from an anonymous anthropic investor | 来自匿名慈善投资者的引文 |
| 171 | who's talking about how Dario really needs to stop | 谁在谈论 如何达里奥真的需要停止 |
| 172 | being so do-mer-y on AI as anthropics, | 爱尔摩斯是人类学界的 |
| 173 | you know, hurdling towards their IPO. | 要知道,在他们的IPO。 |
| 174 | And I think that, you know, Cami, | 我认为,你知道,卡米, |
| 175 | she is very commercially minded. | 她非常有商业头脑 |
| 176 | She has, she seems to be a very strong networker. | 她已经,她似乎是一个非常强大的网络家。 |
| 177 | She's much more social and outgoing than Dario. | 她比达里奥更富有社交性和外遇性 |
| 178 | And Dario, you know, seems to be a little more reserved. | 而且,达里奥,你知道, 似乎有点保留。 |
| 179 | So I think she's been this really, you know, | 所以我觉得她真的... |
| 180 | helpful counterweight to Dario. | 对达里奥很有帮助 |
| 181 | And we've seen these examples of her, you know, | 我们已经看到这些例子 她,你知道, |
| 182 | sending around his research to people. | 把研究结果发给人们 |
| 183 | And she makes the introduction to Eric Schmidt, | 她向艾瑞克·施密特做了介绍 |
| 184 | who's one of the early anthropic investors. | 谁是早期的慈善投资者之一。 |
| 185 | So she's definitely playing this significant role | 所以她肯定在扮演这个重要角色 |
| 186 | and seems to be a strong, you know, | 似乎是一个强者,你知道, |
| 187 | personality compliment to Dario. | 对达里奥的个性赞美 |
| 188 | Corey, what did you, | 科里,你这是... |
| 189 | what did you learn about anthropic | 你学到了什么 关于人类 |
| 190 | over the course of your reporting here, | 在你报告过程中 |
| 191 | learning about her? | 了解她吗? |
| 192 | I mean- | 我是说... |
| 193 | I think I learned that always more than meets the eye | 我想我学会了 总是不只满足眼睛 |
| 194 | is my short answer to that. | 这是我的简短答案。 |
| 195 | No, look, I think in some ways, | 不 听着 我想在某些方面 |
| 196 | it was fascinating to report the story | 报道这个故事很吸引人 |
| 197 | because I think, yes, | 因为我认为,是的, |
| 198 | there's like some nuggets about Cammie's background | 里面好像有些关于Cammie背景的小东西 |
| 199 | that jump off the page, that stick out, you know, | 跳出页面, 坚持出去,你知道, |
| 200 | dating Eric Schmidt, sort of the porn company, | 和艾瑞克·施密特约会 那种色情公司 |
| 201 | which included raising money from Epstein. | 包括从爱泼斯坦那里筹钱 |
| 202 | Like, of course, those are biographical details | 当然,这些是传记性的细节 |
| 203 | that are just like, whoa, what? | 这就像,哇,什么? |
| 204 | But she's a real person and she has had a, | 但她是一个真正的人 她有一个, |
| 205 | you know, she has given a full effort | 她已经尽力了 |
| 206 | to trying to make it in the tech world. | 试图在技术世界中做到这一点。 |
| 207 | She's been with Dario for 13, 12 years now. | 她和达里奥在一起已经13,12年了 |
| 208 | They got married in 22, | 他们22岁就结婚了 |
| 209 | but they've been together since 2014. | 但他们从2014年就在一起了 |
| 210 | So she's really seen his rise over the years. | 因此,她真的看到了他的崛起 这些年。 |
| 211 | But she had a complete lack of a public profile | 但她完全没有公众形象 |
| 212 | until last week with my Dario story | 直到上周我讲达里奥的故事 |
| 213 | and then this week with our story. | 然后这个星期我们的故事。 |
| 214 | And there's, I'm sure, some combination of, | 我敢肯定,有些组合 |
| 215 | you know, she is a very social person, | 你知道,她是一个非常社交的人, |
| 216 | but she didn't want much of a social media presence. | 但是她并不想要太多社交媒体的存在 |
| 217 | 她没有LinkedIn的档案 | |
| 218 | 她没有真的贴在Instagram上, | |
| 219 | which was set to private. | 被设定为私人。 |
| 220 | There's really no trace of her online. | 网上没有她的踪迹 |
| 221 | But also, I think people just weren't asking the question | 但我也觉得人们没有问这个问题 |
| 222 | of who is Dario close to? | 谁是达里奥的亲近者? |
| 223 | Who is, you know, when people get a chance | 你知道,当人们有机会 |
| 224 | to talk to Dario on podcasts or in interviews or whatever, | 在播客或采访中跟达里奥交谈 |
| 225 | they're gonna ask about the very kind of interesting questions | 他们会问一些有趣的问题 |
| 226 | around the future of AI and the future of technology | 环绕AI的未来和技术的未来 |
| 227 | and anthropics business. | 和人类事业。 |
| 228 | Like there isn't time to ask about personal life. | 好像没时间问个人生活 |
| 229 | And Dario himself is a very cautious sharer. | 而达里奥本人是一个非常谨慎的股份持有者. |
| 230 | He, you know, writes essays. | 他,你知道,写论文。 |
| 231 | He doesn't tweet, you know? | 他不发微博,你知道吗? |
| 232 | And so we don't know a lot about him. | 所以我们对他了解不多 |
| 233 | Well, he seems to share everything with his own company, | 他似乎和自己的公司分享一切 |
| 234 | you know, in his own company. | 你知道,在他自己的公司。 |
| 235 | He's pretty liberal. | 他很自由主义 |
| 236 | No, but that's a distinction. | 不,但这是一个区别。 |
| 237 | It's an outsider versus insider dynamic, yeah. | 这是外人对内人的动态,是的。 |
| 238 | Right. | 对 |
| 239 | So, I mean, for the both of you, | 所以,我的意思是, 对于你们两个, |
| 240 | if you did have an interview with her, | 如果你确实接受过她的采访 |
| 241 | and as we do with all of our profiles, | 就像我们所有的资料一样 |
| 242 | I mean, you ask many times, can we speak to the person? | 我的意思是,你问了很多次, 我们可以说话的人? |
| 243 | If you did, if you were granted an interview with her, | 如果你有的话 如果你获准接受她的采访 |
| 244 | I wonder what questions you would ask her. | 我想知道你会问她什么问题 |
| 245 | Jemima, any thoughts? | 杰米玛,有什么想法吗? |
| 246 | Yeah, a couple. | 是啊,一对夫妇。 |
| 247 | I mean, the first one is, as we mentioned earlier, | 我的意思是,第一个是, 正如我们前面提到, |
| 248 | we don't know exactly how Cammie and Dario met. | 我们不知道Cammie和Dario是怎么认识的 |
| 249 | It's not the biggest point in the world, | 这不是世界上最大的一点, |
| 250 | but it would be interesting to hear that. | 但听到这个会很有趣 |
| 251 | And then the second part is she's a very ambitious person, | 然后第二部分是 她是一个非常有野心的人, |
| 252 | you know, that's definitely born out through the reporting. | 你知道,这绝对是诞生 通过报告。 |
| 253 | And she is in this important position, | 她处于这个重要的地位 |
| 254 | but it is kind of a bit of a sideline role. | 但它是一个有点 副作用。 |
| 255 | So, I'm curious to hear like, | 所以,我很想知道 听到这样, |
| 256 | what are her ambitions right now? | 她现在有什么野心? |
| 257 | I'm sure she's thinking of something. | 我敢肯定,她想的东西。 |
| 258 | She has some big dreams. | 她做了个大梦 |
| 259 | I'd be curious to hear more about what they are. | 我很想知道他们是什么 |
| 260 | Corey, what about you? | 科里,你怎么样? |
| 261 | Yeah, just bouncing off that point, | 是啊,只是弹出这一点, |
| 262 | I think like one thing to really think about | 我觉得有一件事可以真正思考 |
| 263 | with this person and this story | 这个人和这个故事 |
| 264 | and all the people around Anthropic is, | 安特罗皮克周围的人都是 |
| 265 | these are going to be very influential people in the world, | 他们将会是世界上非常有影响力的人, |
| 266 | not only due to the technology they're building | 不仅因为他们正在建设的技术 |
| 267 | and the ideas are around, | 和想法周围, |
| 268 | but how much wealth they are accumulating. | 但他们所积累的财富是多少。 |
| 269 | 而Anthropic已经,你知道, | |
| 270 | Anthropic leaders, including Dario have been uniquely open | 包括达里奥在内的人类领袖们 一直保持着独特的开放性 |
| 271 | about wanting to be more philanthropically minded | 想要得到更多的慈善关怀 |
| 272 | than a lot of other previous tech leaders. | 比很多其他前科技领袖。 |
| 273 | It almost seems counter narrative right now | 现在几乎是反叙事 |
| 274 | that tech executives are talking about philanthropy, | 科技主管在谈论慈善事业 |
| 275 | but, you know, sort of Dario and his co-founders are, | 但是,你知道,有点 达里奥和他的共同创始人是, |
| 276 | they've made a lot of pledges related to that. | 他们为此做出了许多承诺。 |
| 277 | So, it's going to be influential, I think, | 所以,这将是有影响力的,我认为, |
| 278 | to where a lot of money goes. | 去很多钱去的地方 |
| 279 | And so, I'd be curious sort of what she's thinking about | 所以我会好奇她在想什么 |
| 280 | on that front. | 在那个前线。 |
| 281 | And yeah, I don't know. | 对,我不知道 |
| 282 | I think that there's also just sort of, | 我觉得还有一点, |
| 283 | she has such an interesting front row seat | 她有一个有趣的前排座位 |
| 284 | to the kind of head of state | 国家首脑 |
| 285 | sort of aspect of being a leader in AI right now. | 成为AI的领导者 |
| 286 | We'd liken her to the first lady of Anthropic, | 我们把她比作Anthropic第一夫人 |
| 287 | but she's really, she's a political spouse | 但她真的是个政治配偶 |
| 288 | at the end of the day right now, you know, | 在最后的一天 现在,你知道, |
| 289 | and sort of getting her perspective | 并有点了解她的观点 |
| 290 | on what it's like to be in these rooms | 这些房间是什么感觉 |
| 291 | with presidents, prime ministers, | 与总统,总理, |
| 292 | Jensen Huang, Sam Altman, you know, | 黄詹森,山姆・阿尔特曼,你知道, |
| 293 | like it would be super interesting. | 就像它会是超级有趣的。 |
| 294 | Great. | 不错 |
| 295 | Well, it was a great story. | 嗯,这是一个伟大的故事。 |
| 296 | I encourage everyone to read it. | 我鼓励大家阅读它。 |
| 297 | That is Corey Weinberg, our senior reporter | 那是科里·温伯格 我们的资深记者 |
| 298 | covering Anthropic and Jemima McAvoy, | 覆盖安东尼和麦卡沃 |
| 299 | our weekend reporter here at The Information. | 我们的周末记者在这里 在信息。 |
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