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【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有

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P8【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有11:20
P9【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有11:20
P12【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有12:16
P13【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有12:16
P14【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有7:24
P15【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有7:24
P16【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有13:09
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P30【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有7:24
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P8 · 【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有没有地位？ p08 4. 4. Jayne Ozanne(4_8) (1) (P8)

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0:09Thank you Professor Atkins for his speech and now look to Jane Ozan to continue the case for the opposition.谢谢你阿特金斯教授的演讲 现在希望简·奥赞继续为反对派辩护
0:22Madam President, have yourself a merry little Xmas.总统女士 祝你快乐
0:29It doesn't really scan does it and that's why I am strongly opposed to this motion.它并没有真正扫描它, 这就是为什么我强烈反对这个动议。
0:36You see, religion and in our case here in Britain Christianity has such an integral part to play in our corporate culture你看,宗教,就我们英国的情况来说, 基督教在我们的企业文化中有着如此不可分割的作用
0:44and identity that we would be severely diminished if we sought to control or silence its expression.如果我们试图控制或压制其表达方式,我们就会严重削弱其特性。
0:52There are sadly times where religion has caused great harm, pain and offence宗教造成了极大的伤害、痛苦和罪恶
0:57and I speak as a gay Christian who has survived conversion therapy我以基督教同性恋的身份发言,他从皈依治疗中活了下来
1:01and who receives much abuse at the hands of other Christians for my beliefs.他们因为我的信仰而受到其他基督徒的虐待
1:06So I know all too well that there are many things that we need to change and address所以我非常清楚 我们需要改变和处理很多事情
1:11but to ban religion completely from our public life is I believe unhealthy, unethical, unnatural and for me as a Christian unholy.但完全禁止宗教进入我们的公共生活, 我认为不健康,不道德,不自然, 作为一个基督徒的不神圣。
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1Thank you Professor Atkins for his speech and now look to Jane Ozan to continue the case for the opposition.谢谢你阿特金斯教授的演讲 现在希望简·奥赞继续为反对派辩护
2Madam President, have yourself a merry little Xmas.总统女士 祝你快乐
3It doesn't really scan does it and that's why I am strongly opposed to this motion.它并没有真正扫描它, 这就是为什么我强烈反对这个动议。
4You see, religion and in our case here in Britain Christianity has such an integral part to play in our corporate culture你看,宗教,就我们英国的情况来说, 基督教在我们的企业文化中有着如此不可分割的作用
5and identity that we would be severely diminished if we sought to control or silence its expression.如果我们试图控制或压制其表达方式,我们就会严重削弱其特性。
6There are sadly times where religion has caused great harm, pain and offence宗教造成了极大的伤害、痛苦和罪恶
7and I speak as a gay Christian who has survived conversion therapy我以基督教同性恋的身份发言,他从皈依治疗中活了下来
8and who receives much abuse at the hands of other Christians for my beliefs.他们因为我的信仰而受到其他基督徒的虐待
9So I know all too well that there are many things that we need to change and address所以我非常清楚 我们需要改变和处理很多事情
10but to ban religion completely from our public life is I believe unhealthy, unethical, unnatural and for me as a Christian unholy.但完全禁止宗教进入我们的公共生活, 我认为不健康,不道德,不自然, 作为一个基督徒的不神圣。
11Firstly then, unhealthy, we are not just brains on sticks nor are we just sexual beings on legs.首先,不健康,我们不只是脑筋在棍子上,也不是腿部的性生命。
12One of the wonders of our human form is that we are emotional, sexual, physical, mental and yes spiritual beings.我们人类形态的一个奇观是,我们是情感,性,生理,心理和对的精神生物.
13All the great faiths recognise this although it can at times be difficult to see this所有伟大的信仰都认识到这一点 虽然有时很难看到这一点
14in people who appear to have their minds so clearly set on heavenly things在那些似乎有 他们的头脑 如此清晰地设置在天堂的东西
15that they seem completely detached from the stark realities of everyday life.他们似乎完全脱离了日常生活的严酷现实。
16I think particularly of the recent so-called pastoral statement by the bishops in the Church of England我特别想到英国教会的主教们 最近的所谓牧区声明
17regarding the place of sex in our lives and how out of touch, indeed offensive,关于性在生活中的位置 和如何失去接触,确实冒犯,
18their pronouncements were to so many of us whether or not we believe in God.无论我们是否信仰上帝,他们的言论都是对我们许多人的。
19What cannot be denied though is that there has over the past few years been a resurgence and an interest in all things spiritual.然而,不能否认的是,过去几年来,精神上所有事物都得到了恢复和兴趣。
20This is often different from organised religion although the growth of the wellness industry这常常不同于有组织的宗教 尽管健康产业的发展
21and the use of mindfulness techniques both in the workplace and the health service和在工作场所和保健服务中使用注意技巧;
22indicates how important it is to exercise and appreciate our spiritual muscle.说明锻炼和欣赏我们的精神肌肉有多重要。
23Now I would be one of the first to agree that people are increasingly being put off by organised religion现在我是第一个同意人们 越来越被有组织的宗教拖延的人之一
24because of what they perceive to be hypocritical practices that talk about the love of God for all因为他们认为是虚伪的做法 谈论上帝对所有人的爱
25and then proceed to put in place barriers that exclude and judge certain groups of people.然后着手设置障碍,排斥和评判某些群体。
26This to me is the complete antithesis of the Gospel whereas a Christian I believe that God is love这对我来说是福音书的完全反面 而基督徒我相信上帝是爱
27and that he who abides in love abides in God.永居爱河者,常在真主那里。
28Full stop.完全停下来。
29For me Christ came to embody that love and explain that it is available to all not because of who we are对我来说,基督来体现这种爱 并解释它为所有人提供 不因为我们是谁
30but because of who God is.但因为上帝是谁
31To negate any public expression of a spiritual dimension in our lives,为了否定我们生活中精神层面的任何公开表达,
32to make it a purely private affair will be to cut off at the source that which is the potential to help us be fully human.让它成为纯粹的私事 将是切断源头 帮助我们成为人类的潜力
33It also severs one of the ties that unites and binds us across our increasingly disparate and isolated communities.它还切断了将我们团结在日益不同和孤立的社区之间的纽带之一。
34As my dear friend and spiritual mentor Bishop James Jones recently said in a speech in Exeter,正如我亲爱的朋友和精神导师詹姆斯·琼斯主教最近在埃克塞特的演讲中所说的那样,
35even in this age of diminished allegiance to institutional religion,即使在这个对制度宗教的忠诚度下降的时代,
36you cannot ignore how Christianity has shaped the language, the literature, the learning, the leisure,你不能忽视基督教是如何塑造语言 文学 学习 休闲的
37the laws, the liberty and the landscape of British culture.法律,自由和英国文化的景观。
38For instance, when our nation grieves, we do so still by coming together for acts of corporate worship.例如,当我们国家感到悲痛时,我们仍通过聚集在一起进行企业崇拜。
39After national tragedies, it is to our spiritual homes that the vast majority retreat,民族悲剧发生后 绝大多数人都退居我们的精神家园
40laying flowers, signing condolence booktas and seeking, if we are so minded,献花 签下吊唁书 并寻求,如果我们这么心思,
41consolation in our faith that one day there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain在我们的信仰中安慰 有一天不再有死亡 哀悼 哭泣 痛苦
42for the former things have passed away.以前的事已经过去了
43Similarly, we come together to mark acts of celebration too, from royal weddings to diamond jubilees.同样,我们也聚集一堂,庆祝从皇家婚礼到钻石庆典的庆祝活动。
44Of course, these need to be sensitively handled for those of all faiths and none,当然,这些需要敏感地处理 为所有信仰的人,没有,
45for we do not all believe and we certainly do not all believe the same thing.因为我们不是都相信的,我们当然也不信同样的道理。
46But to address this by ending all forms of public religious expression但是通过结束一切形式的公开的宗教表达来解决这个问题
47is to rob us of one of the greatest treasures in our national psyche.就是要抢走我们民族精神中 最伟大的财富之一
48As it happens in 1999, the Labour government under Tony Blair sought to do just that.1999年,托尼·布莱尔领导下的工党政府试图这样做。
49Here was a Prime Minister who was informed by his trusted aide, Alastair Campbell, that he didn't do God.这位总理从他信任的助手阿拉斯泰尔·坎贝尔那里得知,他没有做上帝.
50I was on the Archbishop's Council at the time, working alongside Archbishop George Carey.当时我在大主教委员会工作,与大主教乔治·凯里一起工作.
51And much to our surprise, we were told in no uncertain terms that there was to be no moment令我们惊讶的是,我们被毫不含糊地告知,没有时间
52of religious reflection during the celebrations to mark the end of the millennium,在纪念千年末的庆祝活动中进行宗教反思,
53which I must admit, I always thought deeply ironic given the millennium in itself was a date dependent on Jesus Christ.我必须承认,我一直认为,鉴于千年本身是一个依赖于耶稣基督的日期,具有深刻的讽刺意味。
54Bemused but not unperturbed, I suggested to Lord Carey that we might want to ask the British people我向凯里勋爵建议 我们也许想问英国人民
55what they thought on the matter.他们对此的想法
56And so he and I commissioned a YouGov poll that showed quite clearly that the nation did indeed want such a moment于是他和我委托YouGov进行民意调查 清楚显示全国确实希望有这样一个时刻
57and so reluctantly the government agreed that the Archbishop could lead prayers in the form of the Lord's Prayer政府很不情愿地同意大主教 以主祷告的形式主持祷告
58live on national television on December 31, 1999.1999年12月31日在国家电视台现场直播.
59Who was to guess that just over 12 years later I would be working alongside Mr Blair as a director of his Faith Foundation,谁能猜到12年后 我会和布莱尔先生一起工作 作为他的信仰基金会的主任
60which was committed to helping people of all faiths and none understand each other.它致力于帮助所有信仰的人 而没有人了解对方。
61You see, I do not believe that the problem is religion per se.你看,我不认为问题在于宗教本身。
62Rather, the problem is with those who do not respect those who have differing beliefs or indeed no beliefs相反,问题是那些不尊重信仰不同或实际上没有信仰的人。
63and who use religion to coerce and control.他们以宗教强迫和控制。
64We have seen far too many examples of what happens when religious leaders become unaccountable, the dark side of religion.我们目睹了太多的例子,说明当宗教领袖变得不负责任时,宗教的黑暗面会发生什么。
65And far more needs to be done to recognise and safeguard against this.还需要做更多的工作来承认和捍卫这一点。
66Power corrupts and religious leaders are just as infallible as others.权力腐败者和宗教领导人与其他人一样是无可置疑的。
67However, that said, they also have the propensity to model something counter-cultural and holy good然而,尽管如此,他们也倾向于树立反文化和圣洁的榜样。
68where their voice can provide a healing balm or a prophetic word.在那里,他们的声音可以提供疗伤药或预言。
69I think of the priest, Father Martin McGill, who spoke out at the tragic funeral of Lyra McKee我想到牧师马丁・麦吉尔神父 在莱拉・麦基的悲惨葬礼上 大声疾呼
70and shamed the Northern Irish politicians for not coming together sooner.让北爱尔兰政客感到羞耻 因为他们没有早点走到一起
71As I've said, I believe that suppressing religious discourse in public life is not just unhealthy, but unethical too.正如我说过的,我认为,在公共生活中压制宗教言论不仅不健康,而且不道德。
72You do not deal with a problem by banning it, for you will force it underground你不能通过禁止来对付问题 因为你会强迫它潜入地下
73where there is no hope of ensuring proper accountability and where resentment and anger will just simmer and thrive.在没有希望确保适当问责制的地方,在怨恨和愤怒只会沉浸和滋长的地方。
74A society that looks to dictate what can and cannot be discussed in public社会要决定什么是不能公开讨论的
75is a society governed by fear rather than one founded on the principles of openness, fairness and love.一个受恐惧支配的社会,而不是建立在公开、公平和爱的原则之上的社会。
76My father and his generation endured two world wars to ensure that we maintain our freedoms and religious liberties我父亲和他这一代人经历了两次世界大战,以确保我们保持自由和宗教自由。
77which we have a moral duty to protect and cherish.我们有道德责任来保护和珍惜它。
78I mentioned that I thought it to be unnatural too, as for me our universe is one that requires us to openly wonder我提到,我认为这是不自然的, 对我来说,我们的宇宙 是要求我们公开的怀疑
79at the beauty of creation and the divine order that must, I believe, lie behind it.创造的美丽和神圣的秩序 我相信,它必须隐藏在它的背后。
80I speak as a Cambridge mathematician with a deep love of science我以剑桥数学家的身份说话 深爱科学
81and a hunger of understanding the eternal scientific truths underpinning our universe.并且渴望了解我们宇宙中永恒的科学真理
82However, as a Cambridge mathematician, I have come to accept that there are certain things that we will just never know.然而,作为一个剑桥数学家,我开始承认,有些事情我们永远不会知道。
83It is possible, indeed critical, to live with uncertainty and so remain open to new possibilities.充满不确定性是可能的,而且确实至关重要,因此仍然对新的可能性持开放态度。
84Science is not the competition, but it is the means to understanding just how utterly extraordinary科学不是竞争,而是了解 多么非凡的手段
85the creative power behind our universe ultimately is.我们宇宙背后的创造力最终是。
86There must be room in our public discourse for us to speak out about such things在我们的公开演讲中,一定有空间让我们直言不讳
87without the desire to close the debate down.不想让辩论结束
88As someone rightly once said to me, don't worry about upsetting God, Jane, he's big enough, he can take care of himself.正如有人对我说过的 不要担心惹恼上帝 Jane 他够大了 可以照顾自己
89And so, to the crux of the matter, to me as a Christian, to ban my ability to speak out about my faith因此,对于事情的症结,对于我作为一个基督徒, 禁止我说话的能力 关于我的信仰
90and the influence it has on my life would for me be an unholy act which goes against all that I stand for as a Christian.它对我生命的影响 对我来说是一种不神圣的行为 它违背了我作为基督徒所拥护的一切
91I respect that that is not what many of you believe, but my hope is that despite this我尊重,这不是你们许多人相信的 但我希望,尽管如此
92you would still want to respect my ability to practice my belief and to live according to my conscience.你仍然希望尊重我的能力 来实践我的信仰 并按照我的良心生活
93Yes, of course we may need to look at agreeing the parameters in which I can do this是的,我们当然需要考虑 同意我这样做的参数
94so as to ensure the dignity and safety of all, particularly on matters that can cause harm and offence.确保所有人的尊严和安全,特别是在可能造成伤害和犯罪的事项上。
95Yes, of course we may need to look at the privileges and powers automatically given to certain figures in our establishment.当然,我们可能需要研究我们机构自动给予某些人物的特权和权力。
96However, if the society is to be a fully functioning society which braces and celebrates the diversity of all但是,如果社会要成为一个充分运作的社会,它要巩固和颂扬所有人的多样性。
97then we need to learn to respect each other and our differences and make space for each other so that we can all thrive.然后,我们需要学会相互尊重,尊重我们的分歧,为彼此创造空间,以便我们大家都能够繁荣。
98In conclusion, I believe one should never seek to ban, but rather to understand.最后,我认为,人们不应该寻求禁止,而应该理解。
99One should never seek to control, but rather to empower.我们绝不应寻求控制,而应增强能力。
100One should never seek to silence, but rather to listen and learn.人们不应寻求沉默,而应倾听和学习。
101So let us work together to put in place the safeguards that we need因此,让我们共同努力,落实我们需要的保障措施。
102so that we can ensure that all who want to can say may all your Christmases be bright.这样我们就能确保所有想说的人 都希望你们所有的圣诞节都亮亮
103Thank you.谢谢
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P9 · 【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有没有地位？ p09 4. 4. Jayne Ozanne(4_8) (P9)

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0:09Thank you Professor Atkins for his speech and now look to Jane Ozan to continue the case for the opposition.谢谢你阿特金斯教授的演讲 现在希望简·奥赞继续为反对派辩护
0:22Madam President, have yourself a merry little Xmas.总统女士 祝你快乐
0:29It doesn't really scan does it and that's why I am strongly opposed to this motion.它并没有真正扫描它, 这就是为什么我强烈反对这个动议。
0:36You see, religion and in our case here in Britain Christianity has such an integral part to play in our corporate culture你看,宗教,就我们英国的情况来说, 基督教在我们的企业文化中有着如此不可分割的作用
0:44and identity that we would be severely diminished if we sought to control or silence its expression.如果我们试图控制或压制其表达方式,我们就会严重削弱其特性。
0:52There are sadly times where religion has caused great harm, pain and offence宗教造成了极大的伤害、痛苦和罪恶
0:57and I speak as a gay Christian who has survived conversion therapy我以基督教同性恋的身份发言,他从皈依治疗中活了下来
1:01and who receives much abuse at the hands of other Christians for my beliefs.他们因为我的信仰而受到其他基督徒的虐待
1:06So I know all too well that there are many things that we need to change and address所以我非常清楚 我们需要改变和处理很多事情
1:11but to ban religion completely from our public life is I believe unhealthy, unethical, unnatural and for me as a Christian unholy.但完全禁止宗教进入我们的公共生活, 我认为不健康,不道德,不自然, 作为一个基督徒的不神圣。
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1Thank you Professor Atkins for his speech and now look to Jane Ozan to continue the case for the opposition.谢谢你阿特金斯教授的演讲 现在希望简·奥赞继续为反对派辩护
2Madam President, have yourself a merry little Xmas.总统女士 祝你快乐
3It doesn't really scan does it and that's why I am strongly opposed to this motion.它并没有真正扫描它, 这就是为什么我强烈反对这个动议。
4You see, religion and in our case here in Britain Christianity has such an integral part to play in our corporate culture你看,宗教,就我们英国的情况来说, 基督教在我们的企业文化中有着如此不可分割的作用
5and identity that we would be severely diminished if we sought to control or silence its expression.如果我们试图控制或压制其表达方式,我们就会严重削弱其特性。
6There are sadly times where religion has caused great harm, pain and offence宗教造成了极大的伤害、痛苦和罪恶
7and I speak as a gay Christian who has survived conversion therapy我以基督教同性恋的身份发言,他从皈依治疗中活了下来
8and who receives much abuse at the hands of other Christians for my beliefs.他们因为我的信仰而受到其他基督徒的虐待
9So I know all too well that there are many things that we need to change and address所以我非常清楚 我们需要改变和处理很多事情
10but to ban religion completely from our public life is I believe unhealthy, unethical, unnatural and for me as a Christian unholy.但完全禁止宗教进入我们的公共生活, 我认为不健康,不道德,不自然, 作为一个基督徒的不神圣。
11Firstly then, unhealthy, we are not just brains on sticks nor are we just sexual beings on legs.首先,不健康,我们不只是脑筋在棍子上,也不是腿部的性生命。
12One of the wonders of our human form is that we are emotional, sexual, physical, mental and yes spiritual beings.我们人类形态的一个奇观是,我们是情感,性,生理,心理和对的精神生物.
13All the great faiths recognise this although it can at times be difficult to see this所有伟大的信仰都认识到这一点 虽然有时很难看到这一点
14in people who appear to have their minds so clearly set on heavenly things在那些似乎有 他们的头脑 如此清晰地设置在天堂的东西
15that they seem completely detached from the stark realities of everyday life.他们似乎完全脱离了日常生活的严酷现实。
16I think particularly of the recent so-called pastoral statement by the bishops in the Church of England我特别想到英国教会的主教们 最近的所谓牧区声明
17regarding the place of sex in our lives and how out of touch, indeed offensive,关于性在生活中的位置 和如何失去接触,确实冒犯,
18their pronouncements were to so many of us whether or not we believe in God.无论我们是否信仰上帝,他们的言论都是对我们许多人的。
19What cannot be denied though is that there has over the past few years been a resurgence and an interest in all things spiritual.然而,不能否认的是,过去几年来,精神上所有事物都得到了恢复和兴趣。
20This is often different from organised religion although the growth of the wellness industry这常常不同于有组织的宗教 尽管健康产业的发展
21and the use of mindfulness techniques both in the workplace and the health service和在工作场所和保健服务中使用注意技巧;
22indicates how important it is to exercise and appreciate our spiritual muscle.说明锻炼和欣赏我们的精神肌肉有多重要。
23Now I would be one of the first to agree that people are increasingly being put off by organised religion现在我是第一个同意人们 越来越被有组织的宗教拖延的人之一
24because of what they perceive to be hypocritical practices that talk about the love of God for all因为他们认为是虚伪的做法 谈论上帝对所有人的爱
25and then proceed to put in place barriers that exclude and judge certain groups of people.然后着手设置障碍,排斥和评判某些群体。
26This to me is the complete antithesis of the Gospel whereas a Christian I believe that God is love这对我来说是福音书的完全反面 而基督徒我相信上帝是爱
27and that he who abides in love abides in God.永居爱河者,常在真主那里。
28Full stop.完全停下来。
29For me Christ came to embody that love and explain that it is available to all not because of who we are对我来说,基督来体现这种爱 并解释它为所有人提供 不因为我们是谁
30but because of who God is.但因为上帝是谁
31To negate any public expression of a spiritual dimension in our lives,为了否定我们生活中精神层面的任何公开表达,
32to make it a purely private affair will be to cut off at the source that which is the potential to help us be fully human.让它成为纯粹的私事 将是切断源头 帮助我们成为人类的潜力
33It also severs one of the ties that unites and binds us across our increasingly disparate and isolated communities.它还切断了将我们团结在日益不同和孤立的社区之间的纽带之一。
34As my dear friend and spiritual mentor Bishop James Jones recently said in a speech in Exeter,正如我亲爱的朋友和精神导师詹姆斯·琼斯主教最近在埃克塞特的演讲中所说的那样,
35even in this age of diminished allegiance to institutional religion,即使在这个对制度宗教的忠诚度下降的时代,
36you cannot ignore how Christianity has shaped the language, the literature, the learning, the leisure,你不能忽视基督教是如何塑造语言 文学 学习 休闲的
37the laws, the liberty and the landscape of British culture.法律,自由和英国文化的景观。
38For instance, when our nation grieves, we do so still by coming together for acts of corporate worship.例如,当我们国家感到悲痛时,我们仍通过聚集在一起进行企业崇拜。
39After national tragedies, it is to our spiritual homes that the vast majority retreat,民族悲剧发生后 绝大多数人都退居我们的精神家园
40laying flowers, signing condolence booktas and seeking, if we are so minded,献花 签下吊唁书 并寻求,如果我们这么心思,
41consolation in our faith that one day there will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain在我们的信仰中安慰 有一天不再有死亡 哀悼 哭泣 痛苦
42for the former things have passed away.以前的事已经过去了
43Similarly, we come together to mark acts of celebration too, from royal weddings to diamond jubilees.同样,我们也聚集一堂,庆祝从皇家婚礼到钻石庆典的庆祝活动。
44Of course, these need to be sensitively handled for those of all faiths and none,当然,这些需要敏感地处理 为所有信仰的人,没有,
45for we do not all believe and we certainly do not all believe the same thing.因为我们不是都相信的,我们当然也不信同样的道理。
46But to address this by ending all forms of public religious expression但是通过结束一切形式的公开的宗教表达来解决这个问题
47is to rob us of one of the greatest treasures in our national psyche.就是要抢走我们民族精神中 最伟大的财富之一
48As it happens in 1999, the Labour government under Tony Blair sought to do just that.1999年,托尼·布莱尔领导下的工党政府试图这样做。
49Here was a Prime Minister who was informed by his trusted aide, Alastair Campbell, that he didn't do God.这位总理从他信任的助手阿拉斯泰尔·坎贝尔那里得知,他没有做上帝.
50I was on the Archbishop's Council at the time, working alongside Archbishop George Carey.当时我在大主教委员会工作,与大主教乔治·凯里一起工作.
51And much to our surprise, we were told in no uncertain terms that there was to be no moment令我们惊讶的是,我们被毫不含糊地告知,没有时间
52of religious reflection during the celebrations to mark the end of the millennium,在纪念千年末的庆祝活动中进行宗教反思,
53which I must admit, I always thought deeply ironic given the millennium in itself was a date dependent on Jesus Christ.我必须承认,我一直认为,鉴于千年本身是一个依赖于耶稣基督的日期,具有深刻的讽刺意味。
54Bemused but not unperturbed, I suggested to Lord Carey that we might want to ask the British people我向凯里勋爵建议 我们也许想问英国人民
55what they thought on the matter.他们对此的想法
56And so he and I commissioned a YouGov poll that showed quite clearly that the nation did indeed want such a moment于是他和我委托YouGov进行民意调查 清楚显示全国确实希望有这样一个时刻
57and so reluctantly the government agreed that the Archbishop could lead prayers in the form of the Lord's Prayer政府很不情愿地同意大主教 以主祷告的形式主持祷告
58live on national television on December 31, 1999.1999年12月31日在国家电视台现场直播.
59Who was to guess that just over 12 years later I would be working alongside Mr Blair as a director of his Faith Foundation,谁能猜到12年后 我会和布莱尔先生一起工作 作为他的信仰基金会的主任
60which was committed to helping people of all faiths and none understand each other.它致力于帮助所有信仰的人 而没有人了解对方。
61You see, I do not believe that the problem is religion per se.你看,我不认为问题在于宗教本身。
62Rather, the problem is with those who do not respect those who have differing beliefs or indeed no beliefs相反,问题是那些不尊重信仰不同或实际上没有信仰的人。
63and who use religion to coerce and control.他们以宗教强迫和控制。
64We have seen far too many examples of what happens when religious leaders become unaccountable, the dark side of religion.我们目睹了太多的例子,说明当宗教领袖变得不负责任时,宗教的黑暗面会发生什么。
65And far more needs to be done to recognise and safeguard against this.还需要做更多的工作来承认和捍卫这一点。
66Power corrupts and religious leaders are just as infallible as others.权力腐败者和宗教领导人与其他人一样是无可置疑的。
67However, that said, they also have the propensity to model something counter-cultural and holy good然而,尽管如此,他们也倾向于树立反文化和圣洁的榜样。
68where their voice can provide a healing balm or a prophetic word.在那里,他们的声音可以提供疗伤药或预言。
69I think of the priest, Father Martin McGill, who spoke out at the tragic funeral of Lyra McKee我想到牧师马丁・麦吉尔神父 在莱拉・麦基的悲惨葬礼上 大声疾呼
70and shamed the Northern Irish politicians for not coming together sooner.让北爱尔兰政客感到羞耻 因为他们没有早点走到一起
71As I've said, I believe that suppressing religious discourse in public life is not just unhealthy, but unethical too.正如我说过的,我认为,在公共生活中压制宗教言论不仅不健康,而且不道德。
72You do not deal with a problem by banning it, for you will force it underground你不能通过禁止来对付问题 因为你会强迫它潜入地下
73where there is no hope of ensuring proper accountability and where resentment and anger will just simmer and thrive.在没有希望确保适当问责制的地方,在怨恨和愤怒只会沉浸和滋长的地方。
74A society that looks to dictate what can and cannot be discussed in public社会要决定什么是不能公开讨论的
75is a society governed by fear rather than one founded on the principles of openness, fairness and love.一个受恐惧支配的社会,而不是建立在公开、公平和爱的原则之上的社会。
76My father and his generation endured two world wars to ensure that we maintain our freedoms and religious liberties我父亲和他这一代人经历了两次世界大战,以确保我们保持自由和宗教自由。
77which we have a moral duty to protect and cherish.我们有道德责任来保护和珍惜它。
78I mentioned that I thought it to be unnatural too, as for me our universe is one that requires us to openly wonder我提到,我认为这是不自然的, 对我来说,我们的宇宙 是要求我们公开的怀疑
79at the beauty of creation and the divine order that must, I believe, lie behind it.创造的美丽和神圣的秩序 我相信,它必须隐藏在它的背后。
80I speak as a Cambridge mathematician with a deep love of science我以剑桥数学家的身份说话 深爱科学
81and a hunger of understanding the eternal scientific truths underpinning our universe.并且渴望了解我们宇宙中永恒的科学真理
82However, as a Cambridge mathematician, I have come to accept that there are certain things that we will just never know.然而,作为一个剑桥数学家,我开始承认,有些事情我们永远不会知道。
83It is possible, indeed critical, to live with uncertainty and so remain open to new possibilities.充满不确定性是可能的,而且确实至关重要,因此仍然对新的可能性持开放态度。
84Science is not the competition, but it is the means to understanding just how utterly extraordinary科学不是竞争,而是了解 多么非凡的手段
85the creative power behind our universe ultimately is.我们宇宙背后的创造力最终是。
86There must be room in our public discourse for us to speak out about such things在我们的公开演讲中,一定有空间让我们直言不讳
87without the desire to close the debate down.不想让辩论结束
88As someone rightly once said to me, don't worry about upsetting God, Jane, he's big enough, he can take care of himself.正如有人对我说过的 不要担心惹恼上帝 Jane 他够大了 可以照顾自己
89And so, to the crux of the matter, to me as a Christian, to ban my ability to speak out about my faith因此,对于事情的症结,对于我作为一个基督徒, 禁止我说话的能力 关于我的信仰
90and the influence it has on my life would for me be an unholy act which goes against all that I stand for as a Christian.它对我生命的影响 对我来说是一种不神圣的行为 它违背了我作为基督徒所拥护的一切
91I respect that that is not what many of you believe, but my hope is that despite this我尊重,这不是你们许多人相信的 但我希望,尽管如此
92you would still want to respect my ability to practice my belief and to live according to my conscience.你仍然希望尊重我的能力 来实践我的信仰 并按照我的良心生活
93Yes, of course we may need to look at agreeing the parameters in which I can do this是的,我们当然需要考虑 同意我这样做的参数
94so as to ensure the dignity and safety of all, particularly on matters that can cause harm and offence.确保所有人的尊严和安全,特别是在可能造成伤害和犯罪的事项上。
95Yes, of course we may need to look at the privileges and powers automatically given to certain figures in our establishment.当然,我们可能需要研究我们机构自动给予某些人物的特权和权力。
96However, if the society is to be a fully functioning society which braces and celebrates the diversity of all但是,如果社会要成为一个充分运作的社会,它要巩固和颂扬所有人的多样性。
97then we need to learn to respect each other and our differences and make space for each other so that we can all thrive.然后,我们需要学会相互尊重,尊重我们的分歧,为彼此创造空间,以便我们大家都能够繁荣。
98In conclusion, I believe one should never seek to ban, but rather to understand.最后,我认为,人们不应该寻求禁止,而应该理解。
99One should never seek to control, but rather to empower.我们绝不应寻求控制,而应增强能力。
100One should never seek to silence, but rather to listen and learn.人们不应寻求沉默,而应倾听和学习。
101So let us work together to put in place the safeguards that we need因此,让我们共同努力,落实我们需要的保障措施。
102so that we can ensure that all who want to can say may all your Christmases be bright.这样我们就能确保所有想说的人 都希望你们所有的圣诞节都亮亮
103Thank you.谢谢
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0:09I thank Alva for her speech and now look to Professor Richard Swinburne to continue the我感谢阿尔瓦的发言,现在期待理查德·斯温伯恩教授继续
0:13case for the opposition.以反对者为例。
0:22We can understand this motion in a number of different ways.我们可以以多种不同的方式理解这一动议。
0:27If it's understood in a narrow sense, it's just the motion that we shouldn't privilege如果从狭义上理解,那只是我们不应该特权的运动
0:34religion in legal ways by having bishops in the House of Lords or forcing people to contribute通过在上议院设置主教或强迫人们作出贡献,在法律上实现宗教
0:43financially to the propagation of religion.资助宗教传播。
0:48In that respect, I entirely agree with the Honourable Member's opposite.在这方面,我完全同意尊敬的成员的观点。
0:53But clearly there's a wider claim behind this motion and that wider claim is that people但显然这个动议背后有更广泛的主张, 更广泛的主张是人们
1:02shouldn't adduce religious reasons for supporting some law or for voting in an election because不应该提出支持某些法律或参加选举的宗教理由,因为
1:12why?为什么?
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1I thank Alva for her speech and now look to Professor Richard Swinburne to continue the我感谢阿尔瓦的发言,现在期待理查德·斯温伯恩教授继续
2case for the opposition.以反对者为例。
3We can understand this motion in a number of different ways.我们可以以多种不同的方式理解这一动议。
4If it's understood in a narrow sense, it's just the motion that we shouldn't privilege如果从狭义上理解,那只是我们不应该特权的运动
5religion in legal ways by having bishops in the House of Lords or forcing people to contribute通过在上议院设置主教或强迫人们作出贡献,在法律上实现宗教
6financially to the propagation of religion.资助宗教传播。
7In that respect, I entirely agree with the Honourable Member's opposite.在这方面,我完全同意尊敬的成员的观点。
8But clearly there's a wider claim behind this motion and that wider claim is that people但显然这个动议背后有更广泛的主张, 更广泛的主张是人们
9shouldn't adduce religious reasons for supporting some law or for voting in an election because不应该提出支持某些法律或参加选举的宗教理由,因为
10why?为什么?
11Well, because the other side can't quite understand these reasons and one should produce因为对方不能完全理解这些原因 而应该产生
12reasons which are entirely independent of religious considerations.完全独立于宗教考虑的理由。
13It's very difficult to see what the justification of that general principle is, but behind it很难看出这个一般原则的理由是什么 但背后
14there lies a principle which philosophers discuss sometimes as the principle of public哲学家有时讨论的原则是 公开原则
15reason.理由,我说,
16That is, that in such public discussions one should only produce reasons that in some sense也就是说,在这种公开讨论中,人们只应提出某种意义上的理由。
17the opposition can understand what they're about and therefore, since the opposition反对派可以理解他们是什么,因此,由于反对派
18to some proposals is secular and can't make sense of religion, then that's a reason why对一些建议来说,是世俗的,不能理解宗教,这就是为什么
19those who can make sense of religion shouldn't refer to their religious reasons in support那些能理解宗教的人不应该提到他们的宗教理由来支持
20of them.他们。
21They should only refer to such things as, well, would the passing of this law make people他们只应该提到法律的通过会使人们
22happy?快乐吗?
23Would it increase the greatest happiness to the greatest number?它能把最大的幸福提升到最大的数量吗?
24Or something like that and then we could have a poll to see whether people were happier或者类似的东西 然后我们可以有一个民意调查 看看人们是否更快乐
25or not happier as a result, but we shouldn't mention religious reasons because they can't我们不应该提到宗教原因,因为他们不能
26be grasped, can't be understood, can't be appreciated by the other side.被抓住,不能被理解,不能被对方欣赏.
27Now that principle must be mistaken.现在,这个原则一定是错误的。
28Let's take a very simple non-religious example of this.让我们举一个非常简单的非宗教的例子。
29Suppose you are a member of a committee electing someone to a public office and most of the假设你是一个委员会成员 一个选举某人 公职和大多数
30members of the committee think that person is marvellous, but you happen to know that委员会成员认为这个人很棒 但你碰巧知道
31he's a thief because you actually saw him steal something.他是个小偷 因为你看见他偷东西
32Use this as a reason for voting against him, but of course the opposition will say, you're用这个作为投票反对他的理由, 但当然反对派会说,你是
33using a private source of knowledge here, you're calling on something that only you利用私人的知识来源,你所呼吁的东西 只有你
34know, you must produce public reasons, lots of people who've seen this person steal and你知道,你必须提出公开的理由, 很多人谁看到这个人偷,
35therefore they would object.因此,他们反对。
36Now, it seems to me that the objection to bringing religion into the public debate has现在,在我看来,反对将宗教纳入公共辩论
37that characteristic.那个特征。
38If somebody produces a religious reason for supporting or opposing some piece of public如果有人提出宗教理由支持或反对某个公众
39legislation on abortion or euthanasia or gay marriage or whatever it is, the opposition有关堕胎、安乐死、同性恋婚姻或不论什么是反对派的立法
40would say, well, this is not the sort of reason you ought to be bringing forward because这不是你应该提出来的理由
41we don't think that religion has anything to do with this.我们不认为宗教 与此有关。
42We don't think that there's a God and we don't think that he has revealed certain things,我们不认为有上帝 而且我们不认为他透露了某些事情
43so you shouldn't be bringing this into the discussion.所以,你不应该 把这个在讨论。
44But my rather simple example suggests that some people may have access to kinds of knowledge但我的简单例子说明,有些人可能有机会获得知识
45which other people are not able to appreciate.他人不能欣赏的。
46Some people may have deep religious experiences which has convinced them of the existence一些人可能具有深刻的宗教经验 使他们相信存在
47of God and perhaps convinced them of the truth of the Christian religion and therefore of并使他们确信基督教的真理,因此,
48the moral principles which follow from it.由此而产生的道德原则。
49Other people, and I name myself of course among them, claim to have rather good arguments其他的人,我当然指名道姓的人, 声称有相当好的论点
50for the existence of God, very good arguments of a scientific character and very good arguments对于上帝的存在, 非常好的论证 一个科学的特性 和非常好的论证
51of principles similarly of the kind that scientists use for supposing that God became incarnate科学家用来假定上帝化为化身的那种原则
52in Christ and revealed to us certain truths.以真理启示我们,
53Now of course the opposition don't agree, but the fact that they can't see this is当然反对派不同意 但事实上他们看不到
54no reason why I can't see this and it would be most undemocratic and unfair to object没有理由我不能看到这一点, 和这将是最不民主 和不公平的反对
55to me producing these arguments just because you can't follow them.我提出这些论点 只是因为你不能跟随他们。
56And the arguments may have a certain complexity to them sometimes, but then that's the way而这些论点有时可能有些复杂,但后来就是这样
57with arguments and if those arguments are correct then we have been given certain moral如果这些论点是正确的,那么我们得到了某些道义上的
58teaching by Jesus and he founded a church to continue that moral teaching and therefore他创建了一座教堂 继续这种道德教育,因此
59we should pay great attention to it because it's God's moral teaching.我们应该高度重视它 因为那是上帝的道德教导
60Now if there is a God, if those arguments work, then of course God being omniscient如果有上帝 如果这些争论有效 那么上帝当然是无所不知的
61knows of what the moral truths are and what's more if there is a God, he has given us the他知道道德的真理是什么 如果有上帝,他给了我们
62good things of life and he has given us the good things of life sometimes on certain conditions.生命中美好的事物,他给了我们美好的事物 有时在某些条件下。
63One often gives something to someone, say you can use it or not as you want but if you人们经常给某人一些东西, 说你可以使用它或不是你想要的,但如果你
64use it you must use it for these purposes and he has given us our environment, our life你一定要用它来达到这些目的 他给了我们环境,我们的生活
65and say well it's up to you how you use it but you mustn't use it in this way and he说得好,这取决于你如何使用它 但你不能用这种方式,他
66has given us our sexual organs and he can say yes for these purposes you don't have他给我们性器官 他可以为这些目的答应你
67to get married or whatever but if you do use them these are the reasons I want you to use结婚什么的,但是如果你真的用这些东西... ...这就是我要你用的理由
68them for and if it has indeed given us life and has indeed given us life under those conditions他们和如果它确实给了我们生命 并且确实给了我们生命 在那些条件下
69we have a moral obligation to follow.我们有义务遵守道德义务。
70Now of course it may be disputed, all sages in当然了,所有贤者都在
71these arguments are disputed and that is right that they should be disputed and open to arguments这些论点是有争议的,这是正确的,它们应该受到争议,可以提出论据。
72and I certainly have taken part in many such arguments but when we have to vote on a political我当然参加了许多这样的辩论 但当我们必须投票 政治,
73issue, alas the House of Commons is unwilling to spend several months discussing the existence下议院不愿花几个月讨论存在问题,
74of God let alone whether he has become incarnate in Christ and for that reason we have to start更别提他是否已经化身基督了 因此我们必须开始
75from where we are and those who all have certain moral views which are the result of their以及那些有某种道德观的人 他们的道德观来自
76considered view that there is a God who has given us life for certain conditions we ought认为上帝给了我们生命
77to fulfil them and we are entitled to produce these reasons and to argue on the basis of these我们有权提出这些理由,并根据这些理由进行辩论。
78reasons just as much as the other side are entitled to argue on the basis of there is no理由与另一方有权根据不存在
79God and these reasons are not valid.上帝和这些理由是无效的。
80Both sides have an equal right and the religion must therefore双方享有平等权利,因此,宗教必须
81because there are many people who think in this way become part of the public life in that people因为很多人都这样认为 成为公共生活的一部分
82should be right in arguing for or against abortion on these sort of grounds or other things like it.基于这些理由或其他类似理由,反对堕胎的主张或反对应该是正确的。
83Consider for example take you to a different era of history and consider the situation举个例子 带你进入不同的历史时代 考虑一下情况
84of the in the Roman Empire of the fourth century AD just after the legalization of Christianity.在公元4世纪的罗马帝国 基督教合法化之后
85The Greeks had the very nasty habit of infanticide.希腊人有非常讨厌的杀婴习惯。
86They put the infants they didn't wish to have他们把不想生的婴儿
87around out in the country and let them die on the hilltops.让他们死在山顶上
88They exposed their children他们暴露了自己的孩子
89and their justification was of a purely secular kind that well what's important about humans is他们的辩解纯粹是世俗的 对人类很重要的是
90their capacities their mental and physical capacities and if children were disabled or残疾儿童的身心能力以及
91if they were females surplus to requirement then we didn't want them and for the good of the state如果她们是女性多余的要求,那么我们不想要她们 为了国家的利益
92we didn't want these sort of people around.我们不希望这样的人周围。
93Christians came along and said no on our religion基督徒来了 并说不我们的宗教
94has taught us that we are all made in the image of God and therefore they are equally entitled教导我们,我们都是以上帝的形象创造的,因此,他们享有平等的权利
95to our views and in this way eventually many non-religious people have come to recognize以这种方式,许多非宗教人士终于认识到
96the great good that has been produced by this particular view of humanity and I think there我认为,这种人性观点产生了巨大的好处。
97are many other respects in which this is so but if you don't agree you are nevertheless not entitled但是如果你不同意 你却无权
98to object to people arguing for particular pieces of legislation on the on moral grounds.反对人们以道德为由为某些立法进行争论。
99Their moral grounds being that they are not entirely competent to decide the morals for他们的道德基础是,他们不完全有能力决定道德
100themselves they need help we all need help and that help comes from God through his他们需要帮助 我们都需要帮助 帮助来自上帝
101scripture and site interpreted by the church.由教会翻译的经文和网站。
102Now of course there are going to be disputes about现在当然会有争议
103whether the church have got it right in this or that respect but there are always going to be无论教会对此还是这一方面是否正确,但总会有
104disputes about whether any atheist has got it right in this respect of course there are going任何无神论者是否对此有正确之处的争议 当然会有
105to be disputes but it's not the church that is the church may get it wrong sometimes but goodness但教会可能有时会弄错了 但善良
106knows atheistic society has got it badly wrong sometimes.知道无神论社会有时候会犯大错
107The real oppressors of the 20th century20世纪的真正压迫者
108the really nasty people who did all the harm in the 20th century were two religions anti-religious20世纪造成所有伤害的人 是两个反宗教的宗教
109two anti-religions of nazism and stalinist communism both of whom were explicitly committed to两个反纳粹主义和斯大林主义共产主义的宗教组织都明确致力于
110eliminating religion and they were the great oppressors so everybody can get it wrong消灭了宗教,他们是伟大的压迫者,所以每个人都会搞错了。
111but don't ban one side.但不要禁止一方。
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0:09I thank Alva for her speech and now look to Professor Richard Swinburne to continue the我感谢阿尔瓦的发言,现在期待理查德·斯温伯恩教授继续
0:13case for the opposition.以反对者为例。
0:22We can understand this motion in a number of different ways.我们可以以多种不同的方式理解这一动议。
0:27If it's understood in a narrow sense, it's just the motion that we shouldn't privilege如果从狭义上理解,那只是我们不应该特权的运动
0:34religion in legal ways by having bishops in the House of Lords or forcing people to contribute通过在上议院设置主教或强迫人们作出贡献,在法律上实现宗教
0:43financially to the propagation of religion.资助宗教传播。
0:48In that respect, I entirely agree with the Honourable Member's opposite.在这方面,我完全同意尊敬的成员的观点。
0:53But clearly there's a wider claim behind this motion and that wider claim is that people但显然这个动议背后有更广泛的主张, 更广泛的主张是人们
1:02shouldn't adduce religious reasons for supporting some law or for voting in an election because不应该提出支持某些法律或参加选举的宗教理由,因为
1:12why?为什么?
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1I thank Alva for her speech and now look to Professor Richard Swinburne to continue the我感谢阿尔瓦的发言,现在期待理查德·斯温伯恩教授继续
2case for the opposition.以反对者为例。
3We can understand this motion in a number of different ways.我们可以以多种不同的方式理解这一动议。
4If it's understood in a narrow sense, it's just the motion that we shouldn't privilege如果从狭义上理解,那只是我们不应该特权的运动
5religion in legal ways by having bishops in the House of Lords or forcing people to contribute通过在上议院设置主教或强迫人们作出贡献,在法律上实现宗教
6financially to the propagation of religion.资助宗教传播。
7In that respect, I entirely agree with the Honourable Member's opposite.在这方面,我完全同意尊敬的成员的观点。
8But clearly there's a wider claim behind this motion and that wider claim is that people但显然这个动议背后有更广泛的主张, 更广泛的主张是人们
9shouldn't adduce religious reasons for supporting some law or for voting in an election because不应该提出支持某些法律或参加选举的宗教理由,因为
10why?为什么?
11Well, because the other side can't quite understand these reasons and one should produce因为对方不能完全理解这些原因 而应该产生
12reasons which are entirely independent of religious considerations.完全独立于宗教考虑的理由。
13It's very difficult to see what the justification of that general principle is, but behind it很难看出这个一般原则的理由是什么 但背后
14there lies a principle which philosophers discuss sometimes as the principle of public哲学家有时讨论的原则是 公开原则
15reason.理由,我说,
16That is, that in such public discussions one should only produce reasons that in some sense也就是说,在这种公开讨论中,人们只应提出某种意义上的理由。
17the opposition can understand what they're about and therefore, since the opposition反对派可以理解他们是什么,因此,由于反对派
18to some proposals is secular and can't make sense of religion, then that's a reason why对一些建议来说,是世俗的,不能理解宗教,这就是为什么
19those who can make sense of religion shouldn't refer to their religious reasons in support那些能理解宗教的人不应该提到他们的宗教理由来支持
20of them.他们。
21They should only refer to such things as, well, would the passing of this law make people他们只应该提到法律的通过会使人们
22happy?快乐吗?
23Would it increase the greatest happiness to the greatest number?它能把最大的幸福提升到最大的数量吗?
24Or something like that and then we could have a poll to see whether people were happier或者类似的东西 然后我们可以有一个民意调查 看看人们是否更快乐
25or not happier as a result, but we shouldn't mention religious reasons because they can't我们不应该提到宗教原因,因为他们不能
26be grasped, can't be understood, can't be appreciated by the other side.被抓住,不能被理解,不能被对方欣赏.
27Now that principle must be mistaken.现在,这个原则一定是错误的。
28Let's take a very simple non-religious example of this.让我们举一个非常简单的非宗教的例子。
29Suppose you are a member of a committee electing someone to a public office and most of the假设你是一个委员会成员 一个选举某人 公职和大多数
30members of the committee think that person is marvellous, but you happen to know that委员会成员认为这个人很棒 但你碰巧知道
31he's a thief because you actually saw him steal something.他是个小偷 因为你看见他偷东西
32Use this as a reason for voting against him, but of course the opposition will say, you're用这个作为投票反对他的理由, 但当然反对派会说,你是
33using a private source of knowledge here, you're calling on something that only you利用私人的知识来源,你所呼吁的东西 只有你
34know, you must produce public reasons, lots of people who've seen this person steal and你知道,你必须提出公开的理由, 很多人谁看到这个人偷,
35therefore they would object.因此,他们反对。
36Now, it seems to me that the objection to bringing religion into the public debate has现在,在我看来,反对将宗教纳入公共辩论
37that characteristic.那个特征。
38If somebody produces a religious reason for supporting or opposing some piece of public如果有人提出宗教理由支持或反对某个公众
39legislation on abortion or euthanasia or gay marriage or whatever it is, the opposition有关堕胎、安乐死、同性恋婚姻或不论什么是反对派的立法
40would say, well, this is not the sort of reason you ought to be bringing forward because这不是你应该提出来的理由
41we don't think that religion has anything to do with this.我们不认为宗教 与此有关。
42We don't think that there's a God and we don't think that he has revealed certain things,我们不认为有上帝 而且我们不认为他透露了某些事情
43so you shouldn't be bringing this into the discussion.所以,你不应该 把这个在讨论。
44But my rather simple example suggests that some people may have access to kinds of knowledge但我的简单例子说明,有些人可能有机会获得知识
45which other people are not able to appreciate.他人不能欣赏的。
46Some people may have deep religious experiences which has convinced them of the existence一些人可能具有深刻的宗教经验 使他们相信存在
47of God and perhaps convinced them of the truth of the Christian religion and therefore of并使他们确信基督教的真理,因此,
48the moral principles which follow from it.由此而产生的道德原则。
49Other people, and I name myself of course among them, claim to have rather good arguments其他的人,我当然指名道姓的人, 声称有相当好的论点
50for the existence of God, very good arguments of a scientific character and very good arguments对于上帝的存在, 非常好的论证 一个科学的特性 和非常好的论证
51of principles similarly of the kind that scientists use for supposing that God became incarnate科学家用来假定上帝化为化身的那种原则
52in Christ and revealed to us certain truths.以真理启示我们,
53Now of course the opposition don't agree, but the fact that they can't see this is当然反对派不同意 但事实上他们看不到
54no reason why I can't see this and it would be most undemocratic and unfair to object没有理由我不能看到这一点, 和这将是最不民主 和不公平的反对
55to me producing these arguments just because you can't follow them.我提出这些论点 只是因为你不能跟随他们。
56And the arguments may have a certain complexity to them sometimes, but then that's the way而这些论点有时可能有些复杂,但后来就是这样
57with arguments and if those arguments are correct then we have been given certain moral如果这些论点是正确的,那么我们得到了某些道义上的
58teaching by Jesus and he founded a church to continue that moral teaching and therefore他创建了一座教堂 继续这种道德教育,因此
59we should pay great attention to it because it's God's moral teaching.我们应该高度重视它 因为那是上帝的道德教导
60Now if there is a God, if those arguments work, then of course God being omniscient如果有上帝 如果这些争论有效 那么上帝当然是无所不知的
61knows of what the moral truths are and what's more if there is a God, he has given us the他知道道德的真理是什么 如果有上帝,他给了我们
62good things of life and he has given us the good things of life sometimes on certain conditions.生命中美好的事物,他给了我们美好的事物 有时在某些条件下。
63One often gives something to someone, say you can use it or not as you want but if you人们经常给某人一些东西, 说你可以使用它或不是你想要的,但如果你
64use it you must use it for these purposes and he has given us our environment, our life你一定要用它来达到这些目的 他给了我们环境,我们的生活
65and say well it's up to you how you use it but you mustn't use it in this way and he说得好,这取决于你如何使用它 但你不能用这种方式,他
66has given us our sexual organs and he can say yes for these purposes you don't have他给我们性器官 他可以为这些目的答应你
67to get married or whatever but if you do use them these are the reasons I want you to use结婚什么的,但是如果你真的用这些东西... ...这就是我要你用的理由
68them for and if it has indeed given us life and has indeed given us life under those conditions他们和如果它确实给了我们生命 并且确实给了我们生命 在那些条件下
69we have a moral obligation to follow.我们有义务遵守道德义务。
70Now of course it may be disputed, all sages in当然了,所有贤者都在
71these arguments are disputed and that is right that they should be disputed and open to arguments这些论点是有争议的,这是正确的,它们应该受到争议,可以提出论据。
72and I certainly have taken part in many such arguments but when we have to vote on a political我当然参加了许多这样的辩论 但当我们必须投票 政治,
73issue, alas the House of Commons is unwilling to spend several months discussing the existence下议院不愿花几个月讨论存在问题,
74of God let alone whether he has become incarnate in Christ and for that reason we have to start更别提他是否已经化身基督了 因此我们必须开始
75from where we are and those who all have certain moral views which are the result of their以及那些有某种道德观的人 他们的道德观来自
76considered view that there is a God who has given us life for certain conditions we ought认为上帝给了我们生命
77to fulfil them and we are entitled to produce these reasons and to argue on the basis of these我们有权提出这些理由,并根据这些理由进行辩论。
78reasons just as much as the other side are entitled to argue on the basis of there is no理由与另一方有权根据不存在
79God and these reasons are not valid.上帝和这些理由是无效的。
80Both sides have an equal right and the religion must therefore双方享有平等权利,因此,宗教必须
81because there are many people who think in this way become part of the public life in that people因为很多人都这样认为 成为公共生活的一部分
82should be right in arguing for or against abortion on these sort of grounds or other things like it.基于这些理由或其他类似理由,反对堕胎的主张或反对应该是正确的。
83Consider for example take you to a different era of history and consider the situation举个例子 带你进入不同的历史时代 考虑一下情况
84of the in the Roman Empire of the fourth century AD just after the legalization of Christianity.在公元4世纪的罗马帝国 基督教合法化之后
85The Greeks had the very nasty habit of infanticide.希腊人有非常讨厌的杀婴习惯。
86They put the infants they didn't wish to have他们把不想生的婴儿
87around out in the country and let them die on the hilltops.让他们死在山顶上
88They exposed their children他们暴露了自己的孩子
89and their justification was of a purely secular kind that well what's important about humans is他们的辩解纯粹是世俗的 对人类很重要的是
90their capacities their mental and physical capacities and if children were disabled or残疾儿童的身心能力以及
91if they were females surplus to requirement then we didn't want them and for the good of the state如果她们是女性多余的要求,那么我们不想要她们 为了国家的利益
92we didn't want these sort of people around.我们不希望这样的人周围。
93Christians came along and said no on our religion基督徒来了 并说不我们的宗教
94has taught us that we are all made in the image of God and therefore they are equally entitled教导我们,我们都是以上帝的形象创造的,因此,他们享有平等的权利
95to our views and in this way eventually many non-religious people have come to recognize以这种方式,许多非宗教人士终于认识到
96the great good that has been produced by this particular view of humanity and I think there我认为,这种人性观点产生了巨大的好处。
97are many other respects in which this is so but if you don't agree you are nevertheless not entitled但是如果你不同意 你却无权
98to object to people arguing for particular pieces of legislation on the on moral grounds.反对人们以道德为由为某些立法进行争论。
99Their moral grounds being that they are not entirely competent to decide the morals for他们的道德基础是,他们不完全有能力决定道德
100themselves they need help we all need help and that help comes from God through his他们需要帮助 我们都需要帮助 帮助来自上帝
101scripture and site interpreted by the church.由教会翻译的经文和网站。
102Now of course there are going to be disputes about现在当然会有争议
103whether the church have got it right in this or that respect but there are always going to be无论教会对此还是这一方面是否正确,但总会有
104disputes about whether any atheist has got it right in this respect of course there are going任何无神论者是否对此有正确之处的争议 当然会有
105to be disputes but it's not the church that is the church may get it wrong sometimes but goodness但教会可能有时会弄错了 但善良
106knows atheistic society has got it badly wrong sometimes.知道无神论社会有时候会犯大错
107The real oppressors of the 20th century20世纪的真正压迫者
108the really nasty people who did all the harm in the 20th century were two religions anti-religious20世纪造成所有伤害的人 是两个反宗教的宗教
109two anti-religions of nazism and stalinist communism both of whom were explicitly committed to两个反纳粹主义和斯大林主义共产主义的宗教组织都明确致力于
110eliminating religion and they were the great oppressors so everybody can get it wrong消灭了宗教,他们是伟大的压迫者,所以每个人都会搞错了。
111but don't ban one side.但不要禁止一方。
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0:09With that, I now look to Mike Nido to close the case for the proposition.现在,我期待迈克尼多 结束这个提议。
0:19Thank you very much.谢谢
0:20This is an honor to be here.很荣幸能来
0:21So I appreciate it.所以,我很感激。
0:22I don't know if you guys know, we get a letter with this, or at least I got a letter, I assume我不知道你们知道吗,我们收到一封信, 或者至少我收到一封信,我想
0:25everyone does, and they compare you, they talk about past speakers like Elton John and每个人都有, 他们比较你, 他们谈论过去 发言者像埃尔顿约翰和
0:32Mother Teresa, three US presidents, Albert Einstein, and I thought that was rather humorous特蕾莎修女 三位美国总统 艾伯特·爱因斯坦 我觉得这很幽默
0:38that I was being put in that group.我被派到那组人
0:40So I came up with this great routine, but I don't have time to give it to you.所以我想出了这个伟大的常规, 但我没有时间给你。
0:43So I want you to know it was really funny, and I want you, just for a minute, just because所以我想让你知道,这真的很有趣, 我希望你,只是一分钟, 只是因为
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1With that, I now look to Mike Nido to close the case for the proposition.现在,我期待迈克尼多 结束这个提议。
2Thank you very much.谢谢
3This is an honor to be here.很荣幸能来
4So I appreciate it.所以,我很感激。
5I don't know if you guys know, we get a letter with this, or at least I got a letter, I assume我不知道你们知道吗,我们收到一封信, 或者至少我收到一封信,我想
6everyone does, and they compare you, they talk about past speakers like Elton John and每个人都有, 他们比较你, 他们谈论过去 发言者像埃尔顿约翰和
7Mother Teresa, three US presidents, Albert Einstein, and I thought that was rather humorous特蕾莎修女 三位美国总统 艾伯特·爱因斯坦 我觉得这很幽默
8that I was being put in that group.我被派到那组人
9So I came up with this great routine, but I don't have time to give it to you.所以我想出了这个伟大的常规, 但我没有时间给你。
10So I want you to know it was really funny, and I want you, just for a minute, just because所以我想让你知道,这真的很有趣, 我希望你,只是一分钟, 只是因为
11I think I deserve some appreciation for having worked on it, over to the next, when I say我认为我值得一些感谢 已经做了它,到下一个,当我说
12go, I want you to give me like three or four seconds of boisterous applause and laughter,去吧,我要你给我三四秒钟的掌声和笑声,
13okay?好吗?
14One, two, go.一,二,开始
15That was so unexpected, thank you.太出乎意料了 谢谢
16Okay, so people, the reason I'm here is some people think I'm an atheist activist, and好吧,所以人们,我在这里的原因是 有些人认为我是一个无神论活动家,
17that's why I was put on this side of the proposition, and I don't consider myself of that at all.这就是为什么我 被置于这一侧的提议, 而且我不认为我自己 完全。
18I consider myself an equal protection activist, and I think that we're having difficulty with我认为自己是平等的保护活动家 我认为我们很难接受
19this whole argument because we never defined what it is we're talking about, and we use这整个争论,因为我们从来没有 定义它是什么 我们谈论,我们用
20the word religion, and so I'm going to use the constitutional, the American constitutional所以我要用宪法 美国宪法
21definition of religion, because I think the Americans got it right.宗教的定义,因为我认为美国人是对的。
22I think we really did.我认为我们真的做到了。
23We have this brilliant document that was created, thanks to you guys by the way, with your stamp我们有一份很棒的文件,是你们创造的 顺便说一句,还有你们的邮票
24act and taxation with our representation.行动与税收与我们的代表。
25As a result of that, we went on our own and we created this beautiful document, and so因此,我们自己去 并创造了这个美丽的文件,所以
26we have a bill of rights, and our bill of rights starts, Congress shall make no law我们有权利法案, 我们的权利法案开始, 国会不会制定法律
27respecting an establishment of religion, not a religion, religion, and no law respecting.尊重宗教的建立,而不是宗教、宗教和任何法律。
28Government cannot get involved with this, and we keep talking about the public and the public政府不能介入,我们继续谈论公众和公众
29sphere and the public square and public life, that's very different from the government,这与政府有很大不同
30and those are the ideas that we have to keep separate, the government versus individuals这些都是我们必须分开的想法 政府和个人
31and groups, and we keep getting those kind of mixed up, and when we talk about religion,和团体,我们不断 得到这种混合, 当我们谈论宗教,
32we're talking about in some cases, most of the time here, we keep talking about really我们谈论的有些情况, 大部分时间在这里, 我们继续谈论真的
33monotheism or at least multitheism, whatever, some belief in God, and the American vision,一神论或至少多神论,什么的, 一些信仰上帝, 和美国的愿景,
34right, Congress can make no law respecting an establishment of religion, religion isn't对,国会不能制定任何法律 尊重宗教,宗教不是
35just one of those things, religion is all views, and it's kind of, I think the best只有一件事,宗教是所有的观点, 这是种,我认为最好的
36way to illustrate this is to think about free speech, right, right now what you see is speech,说明这一点的方法 是思考言论自由, 对,现在你看到的是言论自由,
37okay, this is also speech, dance, music, sculpture, all things, so we really don't mean speech,好吧,这是演讲,舞蹈,音乐,雕塑,所有的东西, 所以我们真的不是说演讲,
38what we mean is expression of an idea, and this is speech, right, if I'm trying to communicate我们的意思是表达一个想法, 这是演讲,对,如果我试图沟通
39an idea that I don't agree that I don't want to participate, that is an expression of an我不同意我不想参与的想法, 这是一种表达一种
40with religion, right, we're not talking about belief in God, we're talking about all opinions我们不是在谈论信仰上帝 而是在谈论一切观点
41that have to do with things that are religious, which generally involve supreme beings, but与宗教有关 通常涉及至高无上的生物
42the right of an atheist is just the same as the right of a Catholic or a Protestant or无神论者的权利与天主教徒或新教徒的权利相同
43a Hindu or anyone else, those people have views on this, and all of those views have一个印度教徒或任何人, 这些人对此有观点, 所有这些观点都
44to be respected equally, and so when we talk about religion yet superstition, that's one所以当我们谈论宗教 和迷信,这是一个
45view of another person's religious view, okay, and we talk about the other people think you从别人的宗教观点来看 我们谈论别人认为你
46guys don't understand anything, you don't understand the glory of God, that's another男人什么都不懂,你不懂上帝的荣耀,这是另一个
47view of another person, but all of those are views of religion, and the issue, in the American对另一个人的看法, 但所有这些都是宗教的观点, 和问题,在美国
48system at least, is that we don't want government taking sides, the Supreme Court, our Supreme至少我们不想让政府、最高法院、我们的最高
49Court has said, government may not lend its power to one or the other side in controversies法院指出,政府不得在争议中将其权力授予一方或另一方。
50over religious dogma, and one of the greatest controversies over religious dogma, at least宗教教条, 和最大的争论之一 关于宗教教条,至少
51to my mind, is whether or not God exists, that's what we seem to be talking about here,在我看来,无论上帝是否存在, 这就是我们在这里谈论的,
52at least it's behind the scenes, and so we don't want government getting involved, we至少是在幕后 所以我们不想让政府介入
53certainly want people to go out into the public life, what we call in America the public square,当然希望人们去 进入公共生活, 我们在美国称之为公共广场,
54people always say, well Newt, you're trying to get God out of the public square, that's人们总是说,嗯,纽特, 你试图让上帝出 公共广场,这就是
55the stupidest thing, you don't know anything about what I'm talking about, what I'm talking最愚蠢的事情,你不知道 我说什么,我在说什么
56about is I want government in the public square, that's where it belongs, I don't want it in我想让政府进入公共广场 那就是它属于的地方 我不想让它进入
57government, because the government has tremendous power, and once you have that power, that's政府,因为政府拥有巨大的权力, 一旦你有了这种权力,那就是
58when you have all these evils, whether you want to attribute it to monotheism or atheism当你有所有这些邪恶, 无论是你想将其归属于一神论还是无神论
59or whatever you want to attribute to, it's that power, and that's what we have to prevent或任何你想归属的, 它是这种力量, 这就是我们必须防止
60that power from accreting into becoming a harmful issue, we show equal respect for all我们尊重所有人
61religious views, we make sure our government does that, and that's what I think is the宗教观点,我们确保 我们的政府这样做, 我认为这就是
62key here, so I think one way to, let me just explain what I've done in terms of American关键在这里,所以我想一个方法, 让我解释一下我对美国人做了什么
63violations of this principle, we have, we take little kids, we stand them up in school,违反这一原则,我们有,我们带 小孩,我们站在他们在学校,
64and we place their hands over their heart, and their teachers, government agents, in我们把他们的手放在他们的心脏上, 他们的老师,政府人员,在
65public schools, tell them to say we are one nation under God, that's government taking公办学校,告诉他们,我们是上帝统治下的一个国家, 这是政府拿
66sides in religious matters, it's not allowed to do that, we've made our national model,在宗教事务方面,这是不允许的,我们已经创造了我们的民族模式,
67we who declare the beacon of religious liberty for the world, we who have an establishment我们宣布世界宗教自由的灯塔,我们有一个机构
68clause, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, and what do国会不得制定任何关于建立宗教的法律,以及
69we do, as our national model, in God we trust, government's not taking sides in controversies作为国家模式,我们相信上帝,政府不会在争议中偏袒
70over religious issues, and it's crazy, we make sure, we mandate now, that all on every宗教问题,这是疯狂的, 我们确保,我们现在授权,所有关于
71single coin and currency bill, it's like the antithesis of what we claim that we stand单币和纸币 就像是我们声称的对立面
72for, we have the Supreme Court, when they start a recession, God save the United States因为,我们有最高法院, 当他们开始衰退, 上帝拯救美国。
73in this honorable court, I think a good way to think of this, and this is not usually在这个光荣的宫廷里 我想这是个很好的思考方法 而这通常不是
74popular and you may not get it, but if you think about it later, maybe you will, at least受欢迎而你可能得不到它, 但如果你以后再考虑, 也许你会,至少
75to my mind, think about race, we certainly want to have discussions on race in the public想到种族 我们当然想在公众中讨论种族
76square, but can you imagine if we said to the little children, stand up, we are one但是你能想象如果我们对孩子们说 站起来 我们是一体的
77nation under the Caucasian race, have the Supreme Court start off, may the white people高加索民族 最高法院开庭 愿白人人民
78save the United States in this honorable court, I think we would all find that incredibly我想我们都会发现
79offensive, and this is just as offensive, we treat, the Supreme Court's also said,这简直就是冒犯 我们觉得 最高法院还说
80just as we subject to exacting scrutiny, laws that make classifications based on race, so就像我们受到严格的审查, 法律根据种族进行分类,
81too we strictly scrutinize governmental classifications based on religion, we certainly would never我们也严格审查政府基于宗教的分类,我们肯定永远不会
82do with religion and with atheism in America, what we seem to be doing with what we won't,与宗教 和无神论在美国, 我们似乎做的 我们不会,
83we would never do with race what we do with religion, and I think it's a critical issue,我们永远不会做种族 我们做宗教, 我认为这是一个关键问题,
84so I don't really have that much more to say, I'm early, but I would say this, that when所以我没有太多话要说, 我提前了, 但我会说,当
85we vote now with your feet, I would stay here and make sure that we get the discussion proper我们用你的脚来投票, 我会留下来,确保我们的讨论是适当的
86and separate religion, which means, and we should never use the word religion in these我们不应该用宗教这个词
87debates, we should use monotheism if we're talking monotheism, Christianity if we're辩论,我们应该使用一神论 如果我们谈论一神论,基督教 如果我们是
88talking about Christianity, atheism if we're talking about atheism, and recognize that谈论基督教,无神论 如果我们谈论无神论,并承认
89every one of those views deserves equal respect by our government, you want to go out in the每一个观点都值得我们政府同等尊重, 你都想加入
90public square and say why your view is right, your view is wrong, fine, go ahead, that's公开广场,并说为什么你的观点是正确的, 你的观点是错误的, 好吧,继续,这就是
91what you do, the government though has to stay out, and that's the whole issue, so thank你做什么,政府虽然必须 远离,这是整个问题,所以感谢
92you for your time.你的时间。
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0:09With that, I now look to Mike Nido to close the case for the proposition.现在,我期待迈克尼多 结束这个提议。
0:19Thank you very much.谢谢
0:20This is an honor to be here.很荣幸能来
0:21So I appreciate it.所以,我很感激。
0:22I don't know if you guys know, we get a letter with this, or at least I got a letter, I assume我不知道你们知道吗,我们收到一封信, 或者至少我收到一封信,我想
0:25everyone does, and they compare you, they talk about past speakers like Elton John and每个人都有, 他们比较你, 他们谈论过去 发言者像埃尔顿约翰和
0:32Mother Teresa, three US presidents, Albert Einstein, and I thought that was rather humorous特蕾莎修女 三位美国总统 艾伯特·爱因斯坦 我觉得这很幽默
0:38that I was being put in that group.我被派到那组人
0:40So I came up with this great routine, but I don't have time to give it to you.所以我想出了这个伟大的常规, 但我没有时间给你。
0:43So I want you to know it was really funny, and I want you, just for a minute, just because所以我想让你知道,这真的很有趣, 我希望你,只是一分钟, 只是因为
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1With that, I now look to Mike Nido to close the case for the proposition.现在,我期待迈克尼多 结束这个提议。
2Thank you very much.谢谢
3This is an honor to be here.很荣幸能来
4So I appreciate it.所以,我很感激。
5I don't know if you guys know, we get a letter with this, or at least I got a letter, I assume我不知道你们知道吗,我们收到一封信, 或者至少我收到一封信,我想
6everyone does, and they compare you, they talk about past speakers like Elton John and每个人都有, 他们比较你, 他们谈论过去 发言者像埃尔顿约翰和
7Mother Teresa, three US presidents, Albert Einstein, and I thought that was rather humorous特蕾莎修女 三位美国总统 艾伯特·爱因斯坦 我觉得这很幽默
8that I was being put in that group.我被派到那组人
9So I came up with this great routine, but I don't have time to give it to you.所以我想出了这个伟大的常规, 但我没有时间给你。
10So I want you to know it was really funny, and I want you, just for a minute, just because所以我想让你知道,这真的很有趣, 我希望你,只是一分钟, 只是因为
11I think I deserve some appreciation for having worked on it, over to the next, when I say我认为我值得一些感谢 已经做了它,到下一个,当我说
12go, I want you to give me like three or four seconds of boisterous applause and laughter,去吧,我要你给我三四秒钟的掌声和笑声,
13okay?好吗?
14One, two, go.一,二,开始
15That was so unexpected, thank you.太出乎意料了 谢谢
16Okay, so people, the reason I'm here is some people think I'm an atheist activist, and好吧,所以人们,我在这里的原因是 有些人认为我是一个无神论活动家,
17that's why I was put on this side of the proposition, and I don't consider myself of that at all.这就是为什么我 被置于这一侧的提议, 而且我不认为我自己 完全。
18I consider myself an equal protection activist, and I think that we're having difficulty with我认为自己是平等的保护活动家 我认为我们很难接受
19this whole argument because we never defined what it is we're talking about, and we use这整个争论,因为我们从来没有 定义它是什么 我们谈论,我们用
20the word religion, and so I'm going to use the constitutional, the American constitutional所以我要用宪法 美国宪法
21definition of religion, because I think the Americans got it right.宗教的定义,因为我认为美国人是对的。
22I think we really did.我认为我们真的做到了。
23We have this brilliant document that was created, thanks to you guys by the way, with your stamp我们有一份很棒的文件,是你们创造的 顺便说一句,还有你们的邮票
24act and taxation with our representation.行动与税收与我们的代表。
25As a result of that, we went on our own and we created this beautiful document, and so因此,我们自己去 并创造了这个美丽的文件,所以
26we have a bill of rights, and our bill of rights starts, Congress shall make no law我们有权利法案, 我们的权利法案开始, 国会不会制定法律
27respecting an establishment of religion, not a religion, religion, and no law respecting.尊重宗教的建立,而不是宗教、宗教和任何法律。
28Government cannot get involved with this, and we keep talking about the public and the public政府不能介入,我们继续谈论公众和公众
29sphere and the public square and public life, that's very different from the government,这与政府有很大不同
30and those are the ideas that we have to keep separate, the government versus individuals这些都是我们必须分开的想法 政府和个人
31and groups, and we keep getting those kind of mixed up, and when we talk about religion,和团体,我们不断 得到这种混合, 当我们谈论宗教,
32we're talking about in some cases, most of the time here, we keep talking about really我们谈论的有些情况, 大部分时间在这里, 我们继续谈论真的
33monotheism or at least multitheism, whatever, some belief in God, and the American vision,一神论或至少多神论,什么的, 一些信仰上帝, 和美国的愿景,
34right, Congress can make no law respecting an establishment of religion, religion isn't对,国会不能制定任何法律 尊重宗教,宗教不是
35just one of those things, religion is all views, and it's kind of, I think the best只有一件事,宗教是所有的观点, 这是种,我认为最好的
36way to illustrate this is to think about free speech, right, right now what you see is speech,说明这一点的方法 是思考言论自由, 对,现在你看到的是言论自由,
37okay, this is also speech, dance, music, sculpture, all things, so we really don't mean speech,好吧,这是演讲,舞蹈,音乐,雕塑,所有的东西, 所以我们真的不是说演讲,
38what we mean is expression of an idea, and this is speech, right, if I'm trying to communicate我们的意思是表达一个想法, 这是演讲,对,如果我试图沟通
39an idea that I don't agree that I don't want to participate, that is an expression of an我不同意我不想参与的想法, 这是一种表达一种
40with religion, right, we're not talking about belief in God, we're talking about all opinions我们不是在谈论信仰上帝 而是在谈论一切观点
41that have to do with things that are religious, which generally involve supreme beings, but与宗教有关 通常涉及至高无上的生物
42the right of an atheist is just the same as the right of a Catholic or a Protestant or无神论者的权利与天主教徒或新教徒的权利相同
43a Hindu or anyone else, those people have views on this, and all of those views have一个印度教徒或任何人, 这些人对此有观点, 所有这些观点都
44to be respected equally, and so when we talk about religion yet superstition, that's one所以当我们谈论宗教 和迷信,这是一个
45view of another person's religious view, okay, and we talk about the other people think you从别人的宗教观点来看 我们谈论别人认为你
46guys don't understand anything, you don't understand the glory of God, that's another男人什么都不懂,你不懂上帝的荣耀,这是另一个
47view of another person, but all of those are views of religion, and the issue, in the American对另一个人的看法, 但所有这些都是宗教的观点, 和问题,在美国
48system at least, is that we don't want government taking sides, the Supreme Court, our Supreme至少我们不想让政府、最高法院、我们的最高
49Court has said, government may not lend its power to one or the other side in controversies法院指出,政府不得在争议中将其权力授予一方或另一方。
50over religious dogma, and one of the greatest controversies over religious dogma, at least宗教教条, 和最大的争论之一 关于宗教教条,至少
51to my mind, is whether or not God exists, that's what we seem to be talking about here,在我看来,无论上帝是否存在, 这就是我们在这里谈论的,
52at least it's behind the scenes, and so we don't want government getting involved, we至少是在幕后 所以我们不想让政府介入
53certainly want people to go out into the public life, what we call in America the public square,当然希望人们去 进入公共生活, 我们在美国称之为公共广场,
54people always say, well Newt, you're trying to get God out of the public square, that's人们总是说,嗯,纽特, 你试图让上帝出 公共广场,这就是
55the stupidest thing, you don't know anything about what I'm talking about, what I'm talking最愚蠢的事情,你不知道 我说什么,我在说什么
56about is I want government in the public square, that's where it belongs, I don't want it in我想让政府进入公共广场 那就是它属于的地方 我不想让它进入
57government, because the government has tremendous power, and once you have that power, that's政府,因为政府拥有巨大的权力, 一旦你有了这种权力,那就是
58when you have all these evils, whether you want to attribute it to monotheism or atheism当你有所有这些邪恶, 无论是你想将其归属于一神论还是无神论
59or whatever you want to attribute to, it's that power, and that's what we have to prevent或任何你想归属的, 它是这种力量, 这就是我们必须防止
60that power from accreting into becoming a harmful issue, we show equal respect for all我们尊重所有人
61religious views, we make sure our government does that, and that's what I think is the宗教观点,我们确保 我们的政府这样做, 我认为这就是
62key here, so I think one way to, let me just explain what I've done in terms of American关键在这里,所以我想一个方法, 让我解释一下我对美国人做了什么
63violations of this principle, we have, we take little kids, we stand them up in school,违反这一原则,我们有,我们带 小孩,我们站在他们在学校,
64and we place their hands over their heart, and their teachers, government agents, in我们把他们的手放在他们的心脏上, 他们的老师,政府人员,在
65public schools, tell them to say we are one nation under God, that's government taking公办学校,告诉他们,我们是上帝统治下的一个国家, 这是政府拿
66sides in religious matters, it's not allowed to do that, we've made our national model,在宗教事务方面,这是不允许的,我们已经创造了我们的民族模式,
67we who declare the beacon of religious liberty for the world, we who have an establishment我们宣布世界宗教自由的灯塔,我们有一个机构
68clause, Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, and what do国会不得制定任何关于建立宗教的法律,以及
69we do, as our national model, in God we trust, government's not taking sides in controversies作为国家模式,我们相信上帝,政府不会在争议中偏袒
70over religious issues, and it's crazy, we make sure, we mandate now, that all on every宗教问题,这是疯狂的, 我们确保,我们现在授权,所有关于
71single coin and currency bill, it's like the antithesis of what we claim that we stand单币和纸币 就像是我们声称的对立面
72for, we have the Supreme Court, when they start a recession, God save the United States因为,我们有最高法院, 当他们开始衰退, 上帝拯救美国。
73in this honorable court, I think a good way to think of this, and this is not usually在这个光荣的宫廷里 我想这是个很好的思考方法 而这通常不是
74popular and you may not get it, but if you think about it later, maybe you will, at least受欢迎而你可能得不到它, 但如果你以后再考虑, 也许你会,至少
75to my mind, think about race, we certainly want to have discussions on race in the public想到种族 我们当然想在公众中讨论种族
76square, but can you imagine if we said to the little children, stand up, we are one但是你能想象如果我们对孩子们说 站起来 我们是一体的
77nation under the Caucasian race, have the Supreme Court start off, may the white people高加索民族 最高法院开庭 愿白人人民
78save the United States in this honorable court, I think we would all find that incredibly我想我们都会发现
79offensive, and this is just as offensive, we treat, the Supreme Court's also said,这简直就是冒犯 我们觉得 最高法院还说
80just as we subject to exacting scrutiny, laws that make classifications based on race, so就像我们受到严格的审查, 法律根据种族进行分类,
81too we strictly scrutinize governmental classifications based on religion, we certainly would never我们也严格审查政府基于宗教的分类,我们肯定永远不会
82do with religion and with atheism in America, what we seem to be doing with what we won't,与宗教 和无神论在美国, 我们似乎做的 我们不会,
83we would never do with race what we do with religion, and I think it's a critical issue,我们永远不会做种族 我们做宗教, 我认为这是一个关键问题,
84so I don't really have that much more to say, I'm early, but I would say this, that when所以我没有太多话要说, 我提前了, 但我会说,当
85we vote now with your feet, I would stay here and make sure that we get the discussion proper我们用你的脚来投票, 我会留下来,确保我们的讨论是适当的
86and separate religion, which means, and we should never use the word religion in these我们不应该用宗教这个词
87debates, we should use monotheism if we're talking monotheism, Christianity if we're辩论,我们应该使用一神论 如果我们谈论一神论,基督教 如果我们是
88talking about Christianity, atheism if we're talking about atheism, and recognize that谈论基督教,无神论 如果我们谈论无神论,并承认
89every one of those views deserves equal respect by our government, you want to go out in the每一个观点都值得我们政府同等尊重, 你都想加入
90public square and say why your view is right, your view is wrong, fine, go ahead, that's公开广场,并说为什么你的观点是正确的, 你的观点是错误的, 好吧,继续,这就是
91what you do, the government though has to stay out, and that's the whole issue, so thank你做什么,政府虽然必须 远离,这是整个问题,所以感谢
92you for your time.你的时间。
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0:26One year ago, Ravneet Singh was queuing outside of parliament.一年前,拉夫尼特·辛格在议会之外排队。
0:32He wanted to meet one of the他想见一个
0:34MPs.议员。
0:36A man came up to him, shouted in his face, and tried to grab his turban.一名男子上前,朝他脸上大喊大叫,想抢他的头巾.
0:44Last August,去年8月,
0:45a group of Turks attacked two young Muslim girls in the streets of Dublin.一群土耳其人袭击了都柏林街头的两名穆斯林少女。
0:51They snatched off their他们抢走了他们的
0:53hijabs, they pelted them with eggs, and they kicked them while they were on the ground.头巾,他们用鸡蛋打他们,在地上时踢他们.
1:00As recently as two months ago, an Orthodox Jewish man in Brooklyn, New York was bashed with a chair两个月前,纽约布鲁克林的一位东正教犹太男子 被椅子撞伤
1:09and assaulted by a group of criminals.被一群罪犯攻击
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1One year ago, Ravneet Singh was queuing outside of parliament.一年前,拉夫尼特·辛格在议会之外排队。
2He wanted to meet one of the他想见一个
3MPs.议员。
4A man came up to him, shouted in his face, and tried to grab his turban.一名男子上前,朝他脸上大喊大叫,想抢他的头巾.
5Last August,去年8月,
6a group of Turks attacked two young Muslim girls in the streets of Dublin.一群土耳其人袭击了都柏林街头的两名穆斯林少女。
7They snatched off their他们抢走了他们的
8hijabs, they pelted them with eggs, and they kicked them while they were on the ground.头巾,他们用鸡蛋打他们,在地上时踢他们.
9As recently as two months ago, an Orthodox Jewish man in Brooklyn, New York was bashed with a chair两个月前,纽约布鲁克林的一位东正教犹太男子 被椅子撞伤
10and assaulted by a group of criminals.被一群罪犯攻击
11Now what's the common denominator here?现在有什么共同点?
12There are three, actually.其实有三个
13All the victims were harmless citizens.所有受害者都是无害的公民。
14All of these victims were所有这些受害者是:
15peacefully practicing their religion in public life, and all of these victims had their most basic和平地在公共生活中信奉自己的宗教,所有这些受害者都有最基本的
16rights viciously violated.人权遭到严重侵犯。
17I'm standing here in front of you today as a non-religious person myself今天我站在你面前 作为一个非宗教的人
18to defend these basic rights.维护这些基本权利。
19But before doing so, I'd like to once more clarify但在此之前,我想再次澄清
20this motion.此动议.
21The proposition, and even some of the speakers on the floor, would like you to think这个提议,甚至一些发言者,都希望你认为
22that this is about governments taking side on religious issues, that this is about states这是关于政府支持宗教问题, 这是关于国家
23sponsoring evil ideas, that this is about oppressing homosexuals or feminists or women in支持邪恶思想,这是关于压迫同性恋者或女权主义者或妇女
24general.将军
25They'd like you to think that it's only about religious people forcing their religion他们希望你认为,这只是 宗教人士强迫他们的宗教
26down atheist throats.在无神论者的喉咙。
27And you know what?你知道吗?
28I would be fine with banning all of that from public life.我完全可以禁止这一切 进入公共生活。
29I'd be totally fine with that.我完全可以这样做。
30But this motion goes way, way beyond this.但这个运动会很顺利 远远超出这个范围
31This motion tells us这个动议告诉我们
32that religion has no place at all in public life.宗教在公共生活中毫无地位。
33It tells us that in our schools we can't have any它告诉我们,在我们学校 我们不能有任何
34religious dialogue.宗教对话。
35It tells us that in our public libraries we cannot have any religious texts.它告诉我们,在我们的公共图书馆里,我们没有任何宗教文本。
36It tells us that on our streets there is no room for religious prayer and no room for peaceful它告诉我们,我们的街道上没有宗教祈祷的空间,也没有和平的空间
37religious festivals.宗教节日。
38There is no room for religious symbols such as the turban that RavneetRavneet的头巾等宗教标志没有空间
39was wearing outside of parliament.穿着在议会外。
40And it falls upon our side of the house to show you today它落在我们家那边 今天给你看
41that public life should and must at least allow some place for religion.公共生活至少应该而且必须允许宗教存在。
42That is what this debate这就是本次辩论的内容
43is about.是关于的。
44And I think that my case can be summed up by three simple points.我认为,我的情况可以概括为三点。
45First of all,首先,我们...
46some public expressions of religion are valuable for society and do not inflict any harm upon our一些公开的宗教表达方式对社会很有价值,不会对我们造成任何伤害。
47citizens.公民们。
48Secondly, these expressions do not promote or condone any of the problems raised第二,这些表述无助于或容忍所提出的任何问题。
49by the proposition today.由今天的提议。
50They do not condone oppression.他们不会容忍压迫。
51They do not condone religious他们不会宽恕宗教
52extremism.极端主义。
53And lastly, pushing religion into the private sphere will actually worsen the oppression最后,将宗教推向私人领域,实际上会加剧压迫
54and the problems raised by proposition today.以及今天所提出的问题。
55So let's start.所以,让我们开始。
56Why are some public expressions为什么有些公开表达
57of religions valuable in society?宗教在社会中的价值?
58It's very simple.很简单
59They are valuable to many members of society.它们对许多社会成员来说是宝贵的。
60For many people religion is an anchor of identity.对许多人来说,宗教是身份的支柱。
61Expressing and celebrating it in public life在公共生活中表达和庆祝
62brings religious people deep satisfaction because it allows them to take pride in their culture.给宗教人士带来深深的满意,因为这样他们就能为自己的文化感到自豪。
63It gives them a sense of belonging because it shows to them that their fellow citizens给他们一种归属感 因为他们的同胞
64can accept them for who they are in the public space.他们可以接受自己在公共场合的身份。
65Diwali, for instance, celebrates the例如,迪瓦利庆祝
66spiritual victory of light over darkness, of good over evil, and of knowledge over ignorance.光明战胜黑暗 善战胜邪恶 知识战胜无知
67It gives Hindu men and women the opportunity to express beliefs that they feel are at the core它使印度教男女有机会表达他们认为是核心的信念。
68of their very identity and they do not inflict any harm on anyone.他们不会伤害任何人
69And yet the honorable speakers但尊敬的演说家
70of proposition side today want us to turn to our Hindu brothers and sisters and say there is no今天的命题一方 想要我们转向我们的印度教兄弟姐妹 并说没有
71place for Diwali in public life.迪瓦利在公共生活中的地位。
72This stance simply fails to respectfully recognize Hindu culture.这一立场完全不承认印度教文化。
73Has anyone here read Animal Farm?有人读过动物农场吗?
74Proposition here is telling us that we are all free and equal这里的提议告诉我们,我们都是自由平等的
75citizens but the atheists among us are just a bit more free and equal than others.我们中的无神论者比其他人更自由、平等。
76Aside from identity除了身份之外,我们还有...
77festivals like Diwali add a sense of meaning to our public interaction.像迪瓦利这样的节日会给我们的公众互动增添一种意义感.
78They encourage people他们鼓励人们
79to do good even in its smallest and simplest forms.以最小和最简单的方式做好事
80So in my primary school once a year所以,在我的小学一年一次
81a Jewish girl, Noah, would treat everyone to slices of apple and honey for Rosh Hashanah.一个犹太女孩,诺亚, 会对待每个人的苹果和蜂蜜片 为罗什哈沙纳。
82It was a very small gesture, a simple act of kindness, but small gestures in public life这是一个很小的姿态, 一个简单的善举, 但在公共生活中的小姿态
83are more important than ever today.今天比以往任何时候都更加重要。
84Day by day it is becoming increasingly difficult for us日复一日,我们越来越困难
85to meaningfully interact with each other in the public sphere.在公共领域进行有意义的互动。
86And why is that?为什么?
87I think you know我想你应该知道
88it as well.也一样。
89It's because of our phones.是因为我们的电话
90I challenge each and every one of you to take a look around我挑战你们每个人四处看看
91you after this debate.这场辩论之后,你再讨论
92Whether you're on the bus, go to the bar, whether you go to a restaurant,不管你在巴士上,去酒吧, 或你去餐厅,
93look around you and just observe.看看你周围,只是观察。
94You will see a bunch of zombies glued to phones sucking the你会看到一群僵尸 粘在电话上吸
95soul out of their bodies.灵魂从他们的身体。
96Harmless religious practices such as Rosh Hashanah or Diwali do罗什·哈沙纳或迪瓦利等有害的宗教习俗
97the exact opposite.正好相反,
98They remind us how important it is to openly and actively celebrate life他们提醒我们,公开和积极地庆祝生活是多么重要。
99together.一起来
100And yet the honorable members of Proposition here today would rather have Noah然而今天这里的尊敬的提案成员 宁愿有诺亚
101leave her apples and honey at home, only because her kind act was religiously motivated.把她的苹果和蜂蜜留在家里 只因为她的善举是出于宗教动机
102And this brings me to my second point, because the problem is not so much with these independent这让我回到我的第二点, 因为问题并不在于这些独立的
103acts.行为。
104It's with the fact that these independent acts are part of a larger religious framework.这是因为这些独立的行为是更大的宗教框架的一部分.
105Peaceful religious symbols and festivals are guilty by association.和平的宗教象征和节日通过结社而有罪。
106Wearing a cross in public life在公共生活中穿十字架
107may in itself not directly inflict any harm on others, but it promotes religion or Christianity其本身可能不会直接对他人造成任何伤害,但它促进宗教或基督教
108as a whole.整体而言。
109Now this is nonsense, because as with any brawl doctrine, it makes no sense to speak of胡说八道 因为跟任何争吵的理论一样 说到
110Christianity as a whole.整个基督教.
111There are countless different interpretations of the Bible,对圣经有无数不同的解释
112and different Christians hold different sets of belief.不同的基督徒持有不同的信仰。
113The sheer semantic categorization纯粹的语义分类
114under one name should not lead to stigmatization of individual religious acts.在一个名称下不得导致个人宗教行为的污名化。
115Imagine if we would extend this logic to other cases.想象一下,如果我们把这一逻辑扩大到其他情况。
11640 years ago John Lennon was murdered by40年前约翰・列侬被谋杀了
117a lunatic who said he was inspired by a catcher in the rye.一个疯子说他是 被黑麦的捕手启发的
118Should we ban that book from public我们应该禁止这本书公开
119space as well, just because some people have used it for wrong intentions?也因为有人用它来做错事?
120Of course not.当然不是。
121Speaking about books, last night I was reading one, and I'm at Merton College and famously说到书,昨晚我在读一本, 我在梅顿学院,很有名
122we like to sleep with books rather than people.我们喜欢和书睡觉 而不是和人上床
123Anyway, in this book that I was reading总之,我读的这本书
124was a speech by Adlai Stevenson.是阿德莱·史蒂文森的演讲
125The year was 1952, and he said the tragedy of our life today今年是1952年,他说今天的悲剧
126is a climate of fear in which we live, and fear breeds repression.我们生活在一种恐惧的气氛中,恐惧滋生压迫。
127Too often are sinister threats经常是邪恶的威胁
128to the Bill of Rights, to freedom of the mind, concealed under the cloak of anti-communism.在反共主义的幌子下,
129Today it is the cloak of anti-terrorism.今天,这是反恐的幌子。
130People use and abuse this cloak to spread suppression,人们使用和滥用这个斗篷传播抑制,
131intolerance and hatred, and the hypocrisy about that would be laughable if only it wasn't so宽容和仇恨, 和虚伪的 这一点是可笑的,如果不是如此
132destructive to people like what we need.对像我们所需要的那样的人造成破坏。
133We must not compromise, we must never compromise我们决不能妥协,绝不妥协
134on our basic rights because a small minority of aggressive fools, and that small minority我们的基本权利,因为少数 激进的傻瓜, 和小的少数
135of aggressive fools brings me to my last point, because eliminating religion from public life因为从公共生活中消除宗教
136does not only undermine the value of harmless religious practices, it also exacerbates the不仅损害无害的宗教实践的价值,而且还加剧了
137problems we face with religion today, the problems that were actually raised by opposition,今天我们面对的宗教问题 实际上是反对派提出的问题
138proposition today.今天的提议。
139Why do you think that people join ISIS?为什么你认为人们会加入伊斯兰国?
140One of the key reasons is frustration关键原因之一是挫折感
141towards the West.向西方前进
142Now marginalising minority groups is the quickest and easiest way of pushing将少数族群边缘化是最快速、最简便的推进方式
143people like that deeper or quicker into terrorism, because a thirst for revenge is never born in a那种人越深越快 越喜欢恐怖主义 因为复仇的渴求从不生于
144vacuum.真空。
145Revenge is necessarily responsive, it is fuelled by anger and dissatisfaction with the复仇必然是反应迅速的 愤怒和不满激起的
146system, and denying people that peaceful, harmless rituals in public life will not mitigate that并否认在公共生活中进行和平、无害的仪式不会减少
147anger, it will exacerbate it.愤怒,它会加剧它。
148And what about freedom of education?教育自由呢?
149This motion entails that we cut这个动议要求我们停止
150religion out of the conversation.宗教在谈话中。
151Now tell me, how are kids going to scrutinise their parents' religious现在告诉我 孩子们要怎么检查他们父母的宗教
152ideas or provide them with context if they cannot study them critically in schools?或给他们提供背景,如果他们不能在学校中认真学习的话?
153This allows fundamentalists to preserve the purity of their faith among their children,这使得原教旨主义者得以在孩子中保持信仰的纯洁,
154and our democracy crucially depends on informed citizenship, also when it comes to religion,我们的民主主要取决于知情的公民身份, 也取决于宗教,
155especially when it comes to religion.特别是宗教方面。
156Now see, my father died two years ago,你看,我父亲两年前去世了,
157and I'm very sad that he's not here today.我很难过他今天不在这里
158But when he was on his deathbed, he said to me,但当他临终时 他对我说
159he must always use your rights and talents to stand up for people more vulnerable than you are.他必须永远利用你的权利和才华 支持比你更脆弱的人
160Today, all I'm doing is urging all of you to do the same.今天,我所做的就是敦促你们所有人也这样做。
161This institution can send a signal这个机构可以发出信号
162into the world that we do not stand by hate crimes, we do not give in to it, and I urge you进入我们不支持仇恨犯罪的世界 我们不屈服于它 我敦促你
163to walk out of this chamber in a minute or two and vote no.一两分钟后离开这个会议厅,投反对票。
164We do not stand by我们不袖手旁观
165while the rights of our religious brothers and sisters are violated.我们的宗教兄弟姐妹的权利受到侵犯。
166It is simply not good enough.这根本不够好。
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P17 · 【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有没有地位？ p17 8. 8. Simon Van Teutem(8_8) (P17)

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0:26One year ago, Ravneet Singh was queuing outside of parliament.一年前,拉夫尼特·辛格在议会之外排队。
0:32He wanted to meet one of the他想见一个
0:34MPs.议员。
0:36A man came up to him, shouted in his face, and tried to grab his turban.一名男子上前,朝他脸上大喊大叫,想抢他的头巾.
0:44Last August,去年8月,
0:45a group of Turks attacked two young Muslim girls in the streets of Dublin.一群土耳其人袭击了都柏林街头的两名穆斯林少女。
0:51They snatched off their他们抢走了他们的
0:53hijabs, they pelted them with eggs, and they kicked them while they were on the ground.头巾,他们用鸡蛋打他们,在地上时踢他们.
1:00As recently as two months ago, an Orthodox Jewish man in Brooklyn, New York was bashed with a chair两个月前,纽约布鲁克林的一位东正教犹太男子 被椅子撞伤
1:09and assaulted by a group of criminals.被一群罪犯攻击
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1One year ago, Ravneet Singh was queuing outside of parliament.一年前,拉夫尼特·辛格在议会之外排队。
2He wanted to meet one of the他想见一个
3MPs.议员。
4A man came up to him, shouted in his face, and tried to grab his turban.一名男子上前,朝他脸上大喊大叫,想抢他的头巾.
5Last August,去年8月,
6a group of Turks attacked two young Muslim girls in the streets of Dublin.一群土耳其人袭击了都柏林街头的两名穆斯林少女。
7They snatched off their他们抢走了他们的
8hijabs, they pelted them with eggs, and they kicked them while they were on the ground.头巾,他们用鸡蛋打他们,在地上时踢他们.
9As recently as two months ago, an Orthodox Jewish man in Brooklyn, New York was bashed with a chair两个月前,纽约布鲁克林的一位东正教犹太男子 被椅子撞伤
10and assaulted by a group of criminals.被一群罪犯攻击
11Now what's the common denominator here?现在有什么共同点?
12There are three, actually.其实有三个
13All the victims were harmless citizens.所有受害者都是无害的公民。
14All of these victims were所有这些受害者是:
15peacefully practicing their religion in public life, and all of these victims had their most basic和平地在公共生活中信奉自己的宗教,所有这些受害者都有最基本的
16rights viciously violated.人权遭到严重侵犯。
17I'm standing here in front of you today as a non-religious person myself今天我站在你面前 作为一个非宗教的人
18to defend these basic rights.维护这些基本权利。
19But before doing so, I'd like to once more clarify但在此之前,我想再次澄清
20this motion.此动议.
21The proposition, and even some of the speakers on the floor, would like you to think这个提议,甚至一些发言者,都希望你认为
22that this is about governments taking side on religious issues, that this is about states这是关于政府支持宗教问题, 这是关于国家
23sponsoring evil ideas, that this is about oppressing homosexuals or feminists or women in支持邪恶思想,这是关于压迫同性恋者或女权主义者或妇女
24general.将军
25They'd like you to think that it's only about religious people forcing their religion他们希望你认为,这只是 宗教人士强迫他们的宗教
26down atheist throats.在无神论者的喉咙。
27And you know what?你知道吗?
28I would be fine with banning all of that from public life.我完全可以禁止这一切 进入公共生活。
29I'd be totally fine with that.我完全可以这样做。
30But this motion goes way, way beyond this.但这个运动会很顺利 远远超出这个范围
31This motion tells us这个动议告诉我们
32that religion has no place at all in public life.宗教在公共生活中毫无地位。
33It tells us that in our schools we can't have any它告诉我们,在我们学校 我们不能有任何
34religious dialogue.宗教对话。
35It tells us that in our public libraries we cannot have any religious texts.它告诉我们,在我们的公共图书馆里,我们没有任何宗教文本。
36It tells us that on our streets there is no room for religious prayer and no room for peaceful它告诉我们,我们的街道上没有宗教祈祷的空间,也没有和平的空间
37religious festivals.宗教节日。
38There is no room for religious symbols such as the turban that RavneetRavneet的头巾等宗教标志没有空间
39was wearing outside of parliament.穿着在议会外。
40And it falls upon our side of the house to show you today它落在我们家那边 今天给你看
41that public life should and must at least allow some place for religion.公共生活至少应该而且必须允许宗教存在。
42That is what this debate这就是本次辩论的内容
43is about.是关于的。
44And I think that my case can be summed up by three simple points.我认为,我的情况可以概括为三点。
45First of all,首先,我们...
46some public expressions of religion are valuable for society and do not inflict any harm upon our一些公开的宗教表达方式对社会很有价值,不会对我们造成任何伤害。
47citizens.公民们。
48Secondly, these expressions do not promote or condone any of the problems raised第二,这些表述无助于或容忍所提出的任何问题。
49by the proposition today.由今天的提议。
50They do not condone oppression.他们不会容忍压迫。
51They do not condone religious他们不会宽恕宗教
52extremism.极端主义。
53And lastly, pushing religion into the private sphere will actually worsen the oppression最后,将宗教推向私人领域,实际上会加剧压迫
54and the problems raised by proposition today.以及今天所提出的问题。
55So let's start.所以,让我们开始。
56Why are some public expressions为什么有些公开表达
57of religions valuable in society?宗教在社会中的价值?
58It's very simple.很简单
59They are valuable to many members of society.它们对许多社会成员来说是宝贵的。
60For many people religion is an anchor of identity.对许多人来说,宗教是身份的支柱。
61Expressing and celebrating it in public life在公共生活中表达和庆祝
62brings religious people deep satisfaction because it allows them to take pride in their culture.给宗教人士带来深深的满意,因为这样他们就能为自己的文化感到自豪。
63It gives them a sense of belonging because it shows to them that their fellow citizens给他们一种归属感 因为他们的同胞
64can accept them for who they are in the public space.他们可以接受自己在公共场合的身份。
65Diwali, for instance, celebrates the例如,迪瓦利庆祝
66spiritual victory of light over darkness, of good over evil, and of knowledge over ignorance.光明战胜黑暗 善战胜邪恶 知识战胜无知
67It gives Hindu men and women the opportunity to express beliefs that they feel are at the core它使印度教男女有机会表达他们认为是核心的信念。
68of their very identity and they do not inflict any harm on anyone.他们不会伤害任何人
69And yet the honorable speakers但尊敬的演说家
70of proposition side today want us to turn to our Hindu brothers and sisters and say there is no今天的命题一方 想要我们转向我们的印度教兄弟姐妹 并说没有
71place for Diwali in public life.迪瓦利在公共生活中的地位。
72This stance simply fails to respectfully recognize Hindu culture.这一立场完全不承认印度教文化。
73Has anyone here read Animal Farm?有人读过动物农场吗?
74Proposition here is telling us that we are all free and equal这里的提议告诉我们,我们都是自由平等的
75citizens but the atheists among us are just a bit more free and equal than others.我们中的无神论者比其他人更自由、平等。
76Aside from identity除了身份之外,我们还有...
77festivals like Diwali add a sense of meaning to our public interaction.像迪瓦利这样的节日会给我们的公众互动增添一种意义感.
78They encourage people他们鼓励人们
79to do good even in its smallest and simplest forms.以最小和最简单的方式做好事
80So in my primary school once a year所以,在我的小学一年一次
81a Jewish girl, Noah, would treat everyone to slices of apple and honey for Rosh Hashanah.一个犹太女孩,诺亚, 会对待每个人的苹果和蜂蜜片 为罗什哈沙纳。
82It was a very small gesture, a simple act of kindness, but small gestures in public life这是一个很小的姿态, 一个简单的善举, 但在公共生活中的小姿态
83are more important than ever today.今天比以往任何时候都更加重要。
84Day by day it is becoming increasingly difficult for us日复一日,我们越来越困难
85to meaningfully interact with each other in the public sphere.在公共领域进行有意义的互动。
86And why is that?为什么?
87I think you know我想你应该知道
88it as well.也一样。
89It's because of our phones.是因为我们的电话
90I challenge each and every one of you to take a look around我挑战你们每个人四处看看
91you after this debate.这场辩论之后,你再讨论
92Whether you're on the bus, go to the bar, whether you go to a restaurant,不管你在巴士上,去酒吧, 或你去餐厅,
93look around you and just observe.看看你周围,只是观察。
94You will see a bunch of zombies glued to phones sucking the你会看到一群僵尸 粘在电话上吸
95soul out of their bodies.灵魂从他们的身体。
96Harmless religious practices such as Rosh Hashanah or Diwali do罗什·哈沙纳或迪瓦利等有害的宗教习俗
97the exact opposite.正好相反,
98They remind us how important it is to openly and actively celebrate life他们提醒我们,公开和积极地庆祝生活是多么重要。
99together.一起来
100And yet the honorable members of Proposition here today would rather have Noah然而今天这里的尊敬的提案成员 宁愿有诺亚
101leave her apples and honey at home, only because her kind act was religiously motivated.把她的苹果和蜂蜜留在家里 只因为她的善举是出于宗教动机
102And this brings me to my second point, because the problem is not so much with these independent这让我回到我的第二点, 因为问题并不在于这些独立的
103acts.行为。
104It's with the fact that these independent acts are part of a larger religious framework.这是因为这些独立的行为是更大的宗教框架的一部分.
105Peaceful religious symbols and festivals are guilty by association.和平的宗教象征和节日通过结社而有罪。
106Wearing a cross in public life在公共生活中穿十字架
107may in itself not directly inflict any harm on others, but it promotes religion or Christianity其本身可能不会直接对他人造成任何伤害,但它促进宗教或基督教
108as a whole.整体而言。
109Now this is nonsense, because as with any brawl doctrine, it makes no sense to speak of胡说八道 因为跟任何争吵的理论一样 说到
110Christianity as a whole.整个基督教.
111There are countless different interpretations of the Bible,对圣经有无数不同的解释
112and different Christians hold different sets of belief.不同的基督徒持有不同的信仰。
113The sheer semantic categorization纯粹的语义分类
114under one name should not lead to stigmatization of individual religious acts.在一个名称下不得导致个人宗教行为的污名化。
115Imagine if we would extend this logic to other cases.想象一下,如果我们把这一逻辑扩大到其他情况。
11640 years ago John Lennon was murdered by40年前约翰・列侬被谋杀了
117a lunatic who said he was inspired by a catcher in the rye.一个疯子说他是 被黑麦的捕手启发的
118Should we ban that book from public我们应该禁止这本书公开
119space as well, just because some people have used it for wrong intentions?也因为有人用它来做错事?
120Of course not.当然不是。
121Speaking about books, last night I was reading one, and I'm at Merton College and famously说到书,昨晚我在读一本, 我在梅顿学院,很有名
122we like to sleep with books rather than people.我们喜欢和书睡觉 而不是和人上床
123Anyway, in this book that I was reading总之,我读的这本书
124was a speech by Adlai Stevenson.是阿德莱·史蒂文森的演讲
125The year was 1952, and he said the tragedy of our life today今年是1952年,他说今天的悲剧
126is a climate of fear in which we live, and fear breeds repression.我们生活在一种恐惧的气氛中,恐惧滋生压迫。
127Too often are sinister threats经常是邪恶的威胁
128to the Bill of Rights, to freedom of the mind, concealed under the cloak of anti-communism.在反共主义的幌子下,
129Today it is the cloak of anti-terrorism.今天,这是反恐的幌子。
130People use and abuse this cloak to spread suppression,人们使用和滥用这个斗篷传播抑制,
131intolerance and hatred, and the hypocrisy about that would be laughable if only it wasn't so宽容和仇恨, 和虚伪的 这一点是可笑的,如果不是如此
132destructive to people like what we need.对像我们所需要的那样的人造成破坏。
133We must not compromise, we must never compromise我们决不能妥协,绝不妥协
134on our basic rights because a small minority of aggressive fools, and that small minority我们的基本权利,因为少数 激进的傻瓜, 和小的少数
135of aggressive fools brings me to my last point, because eliminating religion from public life因为从公共生活中消除宗教
136does not only undermine the value of harmless religious practices, it also exacerbates the不仅损害无害的宗教实践的价值,而且还加剧了
137problems we face with religion today, the problems that were actually raised by opposition,今天我们面对的宗教问题 实际上是反对派提出的问题
138proposition today.今天的提议。
139Why do you think that people join ISIS?为什么你认为人们会加入伊斯兰国?
140One of the key reasons is frustration关键原因之一是挫折感
141towards the West.向西方前进
142Now marginalising minority groups is the quickest and easiest way of pushing将少数族群边缘化是最快速、最简便的推进方式
143people like that deeper or quicker into terrorism, because a thirst for revenge is never born in a那种人越深越快 越喜欢恐怖主义 因为复仇的渴求从不生于
144vacuum.真空。
145Revenge is necessarily responsive, it is fuelled by anger and dissatisfaction with the复仇必然是反应迅速的 愤怒和不满激起的
146system, and denying people that peaceful, harmless rituals in public life will not mitigate that并否认在公共生活中进行和平、无害的仪式不会减少
147anger, it will exacerbate it.愤怒,它会加剧它。
148And what about freedom of education?教育自由呢?
149This motion entails that we cut这个动议要求我们停止
150religion out of the conversation.宗教在谈话中。
151Now tell me, how are kids going to scrutinise their parents' religious现在告诉我 孩子们要怎么检查他们父母的宗教
152ideas or provide them with context if they cannot study them critically in schools?或给他们提供背景,如果他们不能在学校中认真学习的话?
153This allows fundamentalists to preserve the purity of their faith among their children,这使得原教旨主义者得以在孩子中保持信仰的纯洁,
154and our democracy crucially depends on informed citizenship, also when it comes to religion,我们的民主主要取决于知情的公民身份, 也取决于宗教,
155especially when it comes to religion.特别是宗教方面。
156Now see, my father died two years ago,你看,我父亲两年前去世了,
157and I'm very sad that he's not here today.我很难过他今天不在这里
158But when he was on his deathbed, he said to me,但当他临终时 他对我说
159he must always use your rights and talents to stand up for people more vulnerable than you are.他必须永远利用你的权利和才华 支持比你更脆弱的人
160Today, all I'm doing is urging all of you to do the same.今天,我所做的就是敦促你们所有人也这样做。
161This institution can send a signal这个机构可以发出信号
162into the world that we do not stand by hate crimes, we do not give in to it, and I urge you进入我们不支持仇恨犯罪的世界 我们不屈服于它 我敦促你
163to walk out of this chamber in a minute or two and vote no.一两分钟后离开这个会议厅,投反对票。
164We do not stand by我们不袖手旁观
165while the rights of our religious brothers and sisters are violated.我们的宗教兄弟姐妹的权利受到侵犯。
166It is simply not good enough.这根本不够好。
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0:09I thank Professor Atkins for his speech and now look to Jane Ozan to continue the case感谢阿特金斯教授的演讲 现在期待简·奥赞继续办此案
0:13for the opposition.为反对派。
0:22Madam President, have yourself a merry little Xmas.总统女士 祝你快乐
0:29It doesn't really scan, does it, and that's why I am strongly opposed to this motion.它没有真正扫描,是吗, 这就是为什么我强烈反对这个动议。
0:36You see, religion and in our case here in Britain, Christianity, has such an integral你看,宗教,就我们英国的情况来说, 基督教,有这样一个不可分割的
0:41part to play in our corporate culture and identity that we would be severely diminished在企业文化和身份认同中扮演我们将会被严重削弱的角色
0:47if we sought to control or silence its expression.如果我们想控制或压制它的表达
0:52There are sadly times where religion has caused great harm, pain and offence, and I speak宗教造成了极大的伤害、痛苦和罪恶,
0:58as a gay Christian who has survived conversion therapy and who receives much abuse at the作为基督教男同性恋者 在皈依治疗中幸存下来 并受到很多虐待
1:03hands of other Christians for my beliefs.我信仰其他基督徒的双手
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1I thank Professor Atkins for his speech and now look to Jane Ozan to continue the case感谢阿特金斯教授的演讲 现在期待简·奥赞继续办此案
2for the opposition.为反对派。
3Madam President, have yourself a merry little Xmas.总统女士 祝你快乐
4It doesn't really scan, does it, and that's why I am strongly opposed to this motion.它没有真正扫描,是吗, 这就是为什么我强烈反对这个动议。
5You see, religion and in our case here in Britain, Christianity, has such an integral你看,宗教,就我们英国的情况来说, 基督教,有这样一个不可分割的
6part to play in our corporate culture and identity that we would be severely diminished在企业文化和身份认同中扮演我们将会被严重削弱的角色
7if we sought to control or silence its expression.如果我们想控制或压制它的表达
8There are sadly times where religion has caused great harm, pain and offence, and I speak宗教造成了极大的伤害、痛苦和罪恶,
9as a gay Christian who has survived conversion therapy and who receives much abuse at the作为基督教男同性恋者 在皈依治疗中幸存下来 并受到很多虐待
10hands of other Christians for my beliefs.我信仰其他基督徒的双手
11So I know all too well that there are many things that we need to change and address,所以,我非常清楚,有很多事情 我们需要改变和处理,
12but to ban religion completely from our public life is, I believe, unhealthy, unethical,但完全禁止宗教进入我们的公共生活 我认为是不健康的 不道德的
13unnatural, and for me as a Christian, unholy.对我来说,作为一个基督徒,不神圣
14Firstly then, unhealthy.首先,不健康。
15We are not just brains on sticks, nor are we just sexual beings on legs.我们不只是脑筋在棍子上,我们也不是腿上的性生命。
16One of the wonders of our human form is that we are emotional, sexual, physical, mental,我们人类形态的奇观之一是 我们感情、性、身体、精神
17and yes, spiritual beings.是的,是灵性
18All the great faiths recognise this, although it can at times be difficult to see this in所有伟大的信仰都认识到这一点, 虽然有时很难看到这一点
19people who appear to have their minds so clearly set on heavenly things that they seem completely似乎有头脑的人 如此清晰地将天物置于 他们看起来完全
20detached from the stark realities of everyday life.脱离日常生活的严酷现实.
21I think particularly of the recent so-called pastoral statement by the bishops in the Church我特别想到教会的主教们 最近所说的牧区声明
22of England regarding the place of sex in our lives and how out of touch, indeed offensive,有关性在我们生活中的位置 和如何不接触,确实冒犯,
23their pronouncements were to so many of us whether or not we believe in God.无论我们是否信仰上帝,他们的言论都是对我们许多人的。
24What cannot be denied though is that there has, over the past few years, been a resurgence但不能否认的是,在过去几年中,出现了复苏。
25in an interest in all things spiritual.对万物都有好处
26This is often different from organised religion, although the growth of the wellness industry这往往不同于有组织的宗教,尽管健康产业的发展
27and the use of mindfulness techniques both in the workplace and the health service indicates在工作场所和保健服务中使用的注意技巧表明,
28how important it is to exercise and appreciate our spiritual muscle.锻炼和欣赏我们的精神肌肉是多么重要。
29Now, I would be one of the first to agree that people are increasingly being put off现在,我会是第一个同意 人们越来越被推迟
30by organised religion because of what they perceive to be hypocritical practices that他们认为自己是伪善的,
31talk about the love of God for all and then proceed to put in place barriers that exclude谈论上帝对所有人的爱,然后着手设置排除的障碍
32and judge certain groups of people.并审判某些群体。
33This to me is the complete antithesis of the Gospel, where as a Christian I believe that这对我来说是《福音书》的反面观点 作为基督徒,我相信
34God is love and that he who abides in love abides in God.神是爱,爱中永存者是神.
35Full stop.完全停下来。
36For me, Christ came to embody that love and explain that it is available to all not because对我来说,基督来 体现这种爱 并解释它为所有人提供 不是因为
37of who we are but because of who God is.我们是谁 只因为上帝是谁
38To negate any public expression of a spiritual dimension in our lives, to make it a purely否定我们生活中任何一种精神方面的公开表达,使之纯粹是
39private affair, will be to cut off at the source that which has the potential to help私事,将是切断 源,有潜力帮助
40us be fully human.我们都是人
41It also severs one of the ties that unites and binds us across our increasingly disparate也切断了我们之间 日益不和的联系
42and isolated communities.和孤立的社区。
43As my dear friend and spiritual mentor, Bishop James Jones, recently said in a speech in正如我亲爱的朋友和精神导师詹姆斯·琼斯主教最近在一次演讲中所说的那样:
44Exeter, even in this age of diminished allegiance to institutional religion, you cannot ignore埃克塞特,即使在这个对机构宗教的忠诚减弱的时代,你也不能无视
45how Christianity has shaped the language, the literature, the learning, the leisure,基督教是如何塑造语言 文学 学习 休闲
46the laws, the liberty and the landscape of British culture.法律,自由和英国文化的景观。
47For instance, when our nation grieves, we do so still by coming together for acts of例如,当我们国家感到悲痛时,我们仍通过聚集一堂来采取行动。
48corporate worship.企业崇拜。
49Our national tragedies, after national tragedies, it is to our spiritual homes that the vast我们的民族悲剧,在民族悲剧之后, 浩瀚的家园,
50majority retreat, laying flowers, signing condolences booktas, sorry, condolence booktas多数人退场 献花 签署慰问书 道歉 慰问书
51and seeking, if we are so minded, consolation in our faith that one day there will be no并寻求,如果我们如此心思, 安慰我们的信仰,
52more death or mourning or crying or pain for the former things have passed away.更多的死亡或哀悼 或哭 或痛苦 前的东西已经逝去。
53Similarly, we come together to mark acts of celebration too, from royal weddings to diamond同样,我们聚在一起庆祝 从皇家婚礼到钻石
54jubilees.欢喜踊跃.
55Of course, these need to be sensitively handled for those of all faiths and none, for we do当然,需要敏感地对待这些 为所有信仰的人,没有,因为我们有
56not all believe and we certainly do not all believe the same thing.不是所有人都相信,我们当然不都相信同样的事情。
57But to address this by ending all forms of public religious expression is to rob us of但是,通过结束一切形式的公开宗教表达来解决这个问题,就是让我们失去
58one of the greatest treasures in our national psyche.我们民族精神中最伟大的财富之一
59As it happens in 1999, the Labour government under Tony Blair sought to do just that.1999年,托尼·布莱尔领导下的工党政府试图这样做。
60Here was a Prime Minister who was informed by his trusted aide, Alastair Campbell, that这位总理从他信任的助手阿拉斯泰尔·坎贝尔那里得知
61he didn't do God.他没有做上帝。
62I was on the Archbishop's Council at the time, working alongside Archbishop George Carey.当时我在大主教委员会工作,与大主教乔治·凯里一起工作.
63Much to our surprise, we were told in no uncertain terms that there was to be no moment of religious令人惊讶的是,人们毫不含糊地告诉我们,没有宗教的时刻
64reflection during the celebrations to mark the end of the millennium, which I must admit,在纪念千年末的庆祝活动中进行反思,我必须承认,
65I always thought deeply ironic given the millennium in itself was a date dependent on Jesus Christ.我一直认为,鉴于千年本身是一个依赖于耶稣基督的日期,具有深刻的讽刺意味。
66Bemused, but not unperturbed, I suggested to Lord Carey that we might want to ask the我向凯里勋爵建议 我们可能想问
67British people what they thought on the matter and so he and I commissioned a YouGov poll英国人对此事的想法,所以他和我委托你做民调
68that showed quite clearly that the nation did indeed want such a moment and so reluctantly很明显地表明,国家确实想要这样一个时刻,如此不情愿
69the government agreed that the Archbishop could lead prayers in the form of the Lord's政府同意大主教可以主祷告
70Prayer live on national television on December 31, 1999.1999年12月31日在国家电视台直播祈祷.
71Who was to guess that just over 12 years later I would be working alongside Mr Blair as a谁能猜到12年多之后 我会和布莱尔先生一起工作
72director of his faith foundation, which was committed to helping people of all faiths他的信仰基金会主任 致力于帮助所有信仰的人
73and none understand each other.没有人能互相理解。
74You see, I do not believe that the problem is religion per se, rather the problem is你看,我不认为问题在于宗教本身,而在于
75with those who do not respect those who have differing beliefs or indeed no beliefs and与不尊重有不同信仰或实际上没有信仰的人,
76who use religion to coerce and control.他们以宗教强迫和控制。
77We have seen far too many examples of what happens when religious leaders become unaccountable,我们已经看到太多例子,说明当宗教领袖变得不负责任时会发生什么。
78the dark side of religion, and far more needs to be done to recognise and safeguard against宗教的黑暗面,还需要做更多的工作来承认和捍卫宗教的神圣不可侵犯性。
79this.这个
80Power corrupts and religious leaders are just as infallible as others, however, that said,权力腐败者和宗教领导人与其他人一样是不会犯错的。
81they also have the propensity to model something counter-cultural and holy good where their他们也有做反文化和圣物模型的倾向
82voice can provide a healing balm or a prophetic word.声音可以提供疗伤药或预言词.
83I think of the priest, Father Martin McGill, who spoke out at the tragic funeral of Lyra我想到神父马丁·麦吉尔神父,他在莱拉的悲惨葬礼上大声疾呼
84McKee and shamed the Northern Irish politicians for not coming together sooner.麦基并羞辱了北爱尔兰政治家们,因为他们没有早点走到一起.
85As I've said, I believe that suppressing religious discourse in public life is not just unhealthy正如我说过的 我相信在公共生活中压制宗教言论 不仅仅是不健康
86but unethical too.但也是不道德的
87You do not deal with a problem by banning it, for you will force it underground where你不能通过禁止来对付问题 因为你会强迫它潜入地下
88there is no hope of ensuring proper accountability and where resentment and anger will just simmer没有希望确保适当的问责制,在这种地方,怨恨和愤怒将随处可见。
89and thrive.和繁荣。
90A society that looks to dictate what can and cannot be discussed in public is a society一个想决定什么是不能公开讨论的社会是一个社会
91governed by fear rather than one founded on the principles of openness, fairness and love.以恐惧而不是建立在公开、公平和爱的基础上。
92My father and his generation endured two world wars to ensure that we maintain our freedoms我父亲和他这代人经历了两次世界大战 以确保我们保持自由
93and religious liberties, which we have a moral duty to protect and cherish.我们有道德义务保护并珍惜宗教自由。
94I mentioned that I thought it to be unnatural too, as for me our universe is one that requires我提到,我认为这是不自然的, 对我来说,我们的宇宙是一个需要
95us to openly wonder at the beauty of creation and the divine order that must, I believe,我们公开质疑 创造的美丽和神圣的秩序 我相信,
96lie behind it.卧在后面
97I speak as a Cambridge mathematician with a deep love of science and a hunger of understanding我是剑桥数学家 深爱科学 渴望理解
98the eternal scientific truths underpinning our universe.永恒的科学真理支撑着我们的宇宙
99However, as a Cambridge mathematician, I have come to accept that there are certain things然而,作为剑桥数学家,我承认有些事情
100that we will just never know and that it is possible, indeed critical, to live with uncertainty我们永远也不会知道,并且有可能,事实上是关键的,生活在不确定之中
101and so remain open to new possibilities.因此,对新的可能性持开放态度。
102Science is not the competition, but it is the means to understanding just how utterly科学不是竞争,而是理解 如何完全
103extraordinary the creative power behind our universe ultimately is.宇宙背后的创造力终究是非凡的
104There must be room in our public discourse for us to speak out about such things without我们的公开讨论必须留有空间,让我们在不说的情况下直言不讳
105the desire to close the debate down.想要结束辩论
106As someone rightly once said to me, don't worry about upsetting God, Jane, he's big正如有人对我说过的 不要担心惹恼上帝,简,他很大
107enough, he can take care of himself.够了,他可以照顾自己。
108And so, to the crux of the matter, to me as a Christian, to ban my ability to speak out所以,对于事情的关键, 作为基督徒, 禁止我说话的能力
109about my faith and the influence it has on my life would, for me, be an unholy act which关于我的信仰和它对我生命的影响, 对我来说,是一种不神圣的行为,
110goes against all that I stand for as a Christian.与我作为基督徒所支持的一切背道而驰
111I respect that that is not what many of you believe, but my hope is that despite this我尊重,这不是你们许多人相信的 但我希望,尽管如此
112you would still want to respect my ability to practice my belief and to live according你仍然想尊重我的能力 来实践我的信仰 并接受生活
113to my conscience.我对我的良心。
114Yes, of course, we may need to look at agreeing the parameters in which I can do this so as当然,我们可能需要考虑商定我可以这样做的参数,以便
115to ensure the dignity and safety of all, particularly on matters that can cause harm确保所有人的尊严和安全,特别是在可能造成损害的事项上
116and offence.和违法行为。
117Yes, of course, we may need to look at the privileges and powers automatically given是的,当然,我们可能需要看 特权和权力自动给予
118to certain figures in our establishment, forgive me.请原谅我们机构的某些人物
119However, if the society is to be a fully functioning society which braces and celebrates the diversity但是,如果社会要成为一个充分运作的社会,它要巩固和颂扬多样性。
120of all, then we need to learn to respect each other and our differences and make space最重要的是,我们需要学会尊重彼此,尊重我们的分歧,创造空间
121for each other so that we can all thrive.为彼此,以便我们都能繁荣。
122In conclusion, I believe one should never seek to ban, but rather to understand.最后,我认为,人们不应该寻求禁止,而应该理解。
123One should never seek to control, but rather to empower.我们绝不应寻求控制,而应增强能力。
124One should never seek to silence, but rather to listen and learn.人们不应寻求沉默,而应倾听和学习。
125So let us work together to put in place the safeguards that we need so that we can ensure因此,让我们共同努力,建立我们需要的保障措施,以确保
126that all who want to can say, may all your Christmases be bright.所有想说的人 愿你们所有的圣诞节都明亮
127Thank you.谢谢
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0:09I thank Professor Atkins for his speech and now look to Jane Ozan to continue the case感谢阿特金斯教授的演讲 现在期待简·奥赞继续办此案
0:13for the opposition.为反对派。
0:22Madam President, have yourself a merry little Xmas.总统女士 祝你快乐
0:29It doesn't really scan, does it, and that's why I am strongly opposed to this motion.它没有真正扫描,是吗, 这就是为什么我强烈反对这个动议。
0:36You see, religion and in our case here in Britain, Christianity, has such an integral你看,宗教,就我们英国的情况来说, 基督教,有这样一个不可分割的
0:41part to play in our corporate culture and identity that we would be severely diminished在企业文化和身份认同中扮演我们将会被严重削弱的角色
0:47if we sought to control or silence its expression.如果我们想控制或压制它的表达
0:52There are sadly times where religion has caused great harm, pain and offence, and I speak宗教造成了极大的伤害、痛苦和罪恶,
0:58as a gay Christian who has survived conversion therapy and who receives much abuse at the作为基督教男同性恋者 在皈依治疗中幸存下来 并受到很多虐待
1:03hands of other Christians for my beliefs.我信仰其他基督徒的双手
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1I thank Professor Atkins for his speech and now look to Jane Ozan to continue the case感谢阿特金斯教授的演讲 现在期待简·奥赞继续办此案
2for the opposition.为反对派。
3Madam President, have yourself a merry little Xmas.总统女士 祝你快乐
4It doesn't really scan, does it, and that's why I am strongly opposed to this motion.它没有真正扫描,是吗, 这就是为什么我强烈反对这个动议。
5You see, religion and in our case here in Britain, Christianity, has such an integral你看,宗教,就我们英国的情况来说, 基督教,有这样一个不可分割的
6part to play in our corporate culture and identity that we would be severely diminished在企业文化和身份认同中扮演我们将会被严重削弱的角色
7if we sought to control or silence its expression.如果我们想控制或压制它的表达
8There are sadly times where religion has caused great harm, pain and offence, and I speak宗教造成了极大的伤害、痛苦和罪恶,
9as a gay Christian who has survived conversion therapy and who receives much abuse at the作为基督教男同性恋者 在皈依治疗中幸存下来 并受到很多虐待
10hands of other Christians for my beliefs.我信仰其他基督徒的双手
11So I know all too well that there are many things that we need to change and address,所以,我非常清楚,有很多事情 我们需要改变和处理,
12but to ban religion completely from our public life is, I believe, unhealthy, unethical,但完全禁止宗教进入我们的公共生活 我认为是不健康的 不道德的
13unnatural, and for me as a Christian, unholy.对我来说,作为一个基督徒,不神圣
14Firstly then, unhealthy.首先,不健康。
15We are not just brains on sticks, nor are we just sexual beings on legs.我们不只是脑筋在棍子上,我们也不是腿上的性生命。
16One of the wonders of our human form is that we are emotional, sexual, physical, mental,我们人类形态的奇观之一是 我们感情、性、身体、精神
17and yes, spiritual beings.是的,是灵性
18All the great faiths recognise this, although it can at times be difficult to see this in所有伟大的信仰都认识到这一点, 虽然有时很难看到这一点
19people who appear to have their minds so clearly set on heavenly things that they seem completely似乎有头脑的人 如此清晰地将天物置于 他们看起来完全
20detached from the stark realities of everyday life.脱离日常生活的严酷现实.
21I think particularly of the recent so-called pastoral statement by the bishops in the Church我特别想到教会的主教们 最近所说的牧区声明
22of England regarding the place of sex in our lives and how out of touch, indeed offensive,有关性在我们生活中的位置 和如何不接触,确实冒犯,
23their pronouncements were to so many of us whether or not we believe in God.无论我们是否信仰上帝,他们的言论都是对我们许多人的。
24What cannot be denied though is that there has, over the past few years, been a resurgence但不能否认的是,在过去几年中,出现了复苏。
25in an interest in all things spiritual.对万物都有好处
26This is often different from organised religion, although the growth of the wellness industry这往往不同于有组织的宗教,尽管健康产业的发展
27and the use of mindfulness techniques both in the workplace and the health service indicates在工作场所和保健服务中使用的注意技巧表明,
28how important it is to exercise and appreciate our spiritual muscle.锻炼和欣赏我们的精神肌肉是多么重要。
29Now, I would be one of the first to agree that people are increasingly being put off现在,我会是第一个同意 人们越来越被推迟
30by organised religion because of what they perceive to be hypocritical practices that他们认为自己是伪善的,
31talk about the love of God for all and then proceed to put in place barriers that exclude谈论上帝对所有人的爱,然后着手设置排除的障碍
32and judge certain groups of people.并审判某些群体。
33This to me is the complete antithesis of the Gospel, where as a Christian I believe that这对我来说是《福音书》的反面观点 作为基督徒,我相信
34God is love and that he who abides in love abides in God.神是爱,爱中永存者是神.
35Full stop.完全停下来。
36For me, Christ came to embody that love and explain that it is available to all not because对我来说,基督来 体现这种爱 并解释它为所有人提供 不是因为
37of who we are but because of who God is.我们是谁 只因为上帝是谁
38To negate any public expression of a spiritual dimension in our lives, to make it a purely否定我们生活中任何一种精神方面的公开表达,使之纯粹是
39private affair, will be to cut off at the source that which has the potential to help私事,将是切断 源,有潜力帮助
40us be fully human.我们都是人
41It also severs one of the ties that unites and binds us across our increasingly disparate也切断了我们之间 日益不和的联系
42and isolated communities.和孤立的社区。
43As my dear friend and spiritual mentor, Bishop James Jones, recently said in a speech in正如我亲爱的朋友和精神导师詹姆斯·琼斯主教最近在一次演讲中所说的那样:
44Exeter, even in this age of diminished allegiance to institutional religion, you cannot ignore埃克塞特,即使在这个对机构宗教的忠诚减弱的时代,你也不能无视
45how Christianity has shaped the language, the literature, the learning, the leisure,基督教是如何塑造语言 文学 学习 休闲
46the laws, the liberty and the landscape of British culture.法律,自由和英国文化的景观。
47For instance, when our nation grieves, we do so still by coming together for acts of例如,当我们国家感到悲痛时,我们仍通过聚集一堂来采取行动。
48corporate worship.企业崇拜。
49Our national tragedies, after national tragedies, it is to our spiritual homes that the vast我们的民族悲剧,在民族悲剧之后, 浩瀚的家园,
50majority retreat, laying flowers, signing condolences booktas, sorry, condolence booktas多数人退场 献花 签署慰问书 道歉 慰问书
51and seeking, if we are so minded, consolation in our faith that one day there will be no并寻求,如果我们如此心思, 安慰我们的信仰,
52more death or mourning or crying or pain for the former things have passed away.更多的死亡或哀悼 或哭 或痛苦 前的东西已经逝去。
53Similarly, we come together to mark acts of celebration too, from royal weddings to diamond同样,我们聚在一起庆祝 从皇家婚礼到钻石
54jubilees.欢喜踊跃.
55Of course, these need to be sensitively handled for those of all faiths and none, for we do当然,需要敏感地对待这些 为所有信仰的人,没有,因为我们有
56not all believe and we certainly do not all believe the same thing.不是所有人都相信,我们当然不都相信同样的事情。
57But to address this by ending all forms of public religious expression is to rob us of但是,通过结束一切形式的公开宗教表达来解决这个问题,就是让我们失去
58one of the greatest treasures in our national psyche.我们民族精神中最伟大的财富之一
59As it happens in 1999, the Labour government under Tony Blair sought to do just that.1999年,托尼·布莱尔领导下的工党政府试图这样做。
60Here was a Prime Minister who was informed by his trusted aide, Alastair Campbell, that这位总理从他信任的助手阿拉斯泰尔·坎贝尔那里得知
61he didn't do God.他没有做上帝。
62I was on the Archbishop's Council at the time, working alongside Archbishop George Carey.当时我在大主教委员会工作,与大主教乔治·凯里一起工作.
63Much to our surprise, we were told in no uncertain terms that there was to be no moment of religious令人惊讶的是,人们毫不含糊地告诉我们,没有宗教的时刻
64reflection during the celebrations to mark the end of the millennium, which I must admit,在纪念千年末的庆祝活动中进行反思,我必须承认,
65I always thought deeply ironic given the millennium in itself was a date dependent on Jesus Christ.我一直认为,鉴于千年本身是一个依赖于耶稣基督的日期,具有深刻的讽刺意味。
66Bemused, but not unperturbed, I suggested to Lord Carey that we might want to ask the我向凯里勋爵建议 我们可能想问
67British people what they thought on the matter and so he and I commissioned a YouGov poll英国人对此事的想法,所以他和我委托你做民调
68that showed quite clearly that the nation did indeed want such a moment and so reluctantly很明显地表明,国家确实想要这样一个时刻,如此不情愿
69the government agreed that the Archbishop could lead prayers in the form of the Lord's政府同意大主教可以主祷告
70Prayer live on national television on December 31, 1999.1999年12月31日在国家电视台直播祈祷.
71Who was to guess that just over 12 years later I would be working alongside Mr Blair as a谁能猜到12年多之后 我会和布莱尔先生一起工作
72director of his faith foundation, which was committed to helping people of all faiths他的信仰基金会主任 致力于帮助所有信仰的人
73and none understand each other.没有人能互相理解。
74You see, I do not believe that the problem is religion per se, rather the problem is你看,我不认为问题在于宗教本身,而在于
75with those who do not respect those who have differing beliefs or indeed no beliefs and与不尊重有不同信仰或实际上没有信仰的人,
76who use religion to coerce and control.他们以宗教强迫和控制。
77We have seen far too many examples of what happens when religious leaders become unaccountable,我们已经看到太多例子,说明当宗教领袖变得不负责任时会发生什么。
78the dark side of religion, and far more needs to be done to recognise and safeguard against宗教的黑暗面,还需要做更多的工作来承认和捍卫宗教的神圣不可侵犯性。
79this.这个
80Power corrupts and religious leaders are just as infallible as others, however, that said,权力腐败者和宗教领导人与其他人一样是不会犯错的。
81they also have the propensity to model something counter-cultural and holy good where their他们也有做反文化和圣物模型的倾向
82voice can provide a healing balm or a prophetic word.声音可以提供疗伤药或预言词.
83I think of the priest, Father Martin McGill, who spoke out at the tragic funeral of Lyra我想到神父马丁·麦吉尔神父,他在莱拉的悲惨葬礼上大声疾呼
84McKee and shamed the Northern Irish politicians for not coming together sooner.麦基并羞辱了北爱尔兰政治家们,因为他们没有早点走到一起.
85As I've said, I believe that suppressing religious discourse in public life is not just unhealthy正如我说过的 我相信在公共生活中压制宗教言论 不仅仅是不健康
86but unethical too.但也是不道德的
87You do not deal with a problem by banning it, for you will force it underground where你不能通过禁止来对付问题 因为你会强迫它潜入地下
88there is no hope of ensuring proper accountability and where resentment and anger will just simmer没有希望确保适当的问责制,在这种地方,怨恨和愤怒将随处可见。
89and thrive.和繁荣。
90A society that looks to dictate what can and cannot be discussed in public is a society一个想决定什么是不能公开讨论的社会是一个社会
91governed by fear rather than one founded on the principles of openness, fairness and love.以恐惧而不是建立在公开、公平和爱的基础上。
92My father and his generation endured two world wars to ensure that we maintain our freedoms我父亲和他这代人经历了两次世界大战 以确保我们保持自由
93and religious liberties, which we have a moral duty to protect and cherish.我们有道德义务保护并珍惜宗教自由。
94I mentioned that I thought it to be unnatural too, as for me our universe is one that requires我提到,我认为这是不自然的, 对我来说,我们的宇宙是一个需要
95us to openly wonder at the beauty of creation and the divine order that must, I believe,我们公开质疑 创造的美丽和神圣的秩序 我相信,
96lie behind it.卧在后面
97I speak as a Cambridge mathematician with a deep love of science and a hunger of understanding我是剑桥数学家 深爱科学 渴望理解
98the eternal scientific truths underpinning our universe.永恒的科学真理支撑着我们的宇宙
99However, as a Cambridge mathematician, I have come to accept that there are certain things然而,作为剑桥数学家,我承认有些事情
100that we will just never know and that it is possible, indeed critical, to live with uncertainty我们永远也不会知道,并且有可能,事实上是关键的,生活在不确定之中
101and so remain open to new possibilities.因此,对新的可能性持开放态度。
102Science is not the competition, but it is the means to understanding just how utterly科学不是竞争,而是理解 如何完全
103extraordinary the creative power behind our universe ultimately is.宇宙背后的创造力终究是非凡的
104There must be room in our public discourse for us to speak out about such things without我们的公开讨论必须留有空间,让我们在不说的情况下直言不讳
105the desire to close the debate down.想要结束辩论
106As someone rightly once said to me, don't worry about upsetting God, Jane, he's big正如有人对我说过的 不要担心惹恼上帝,简,他很大
107enough, he can take care of himself.够了,他可以照顾自己。
108And so, to the crux of the matter, to me as a Christian, to ban my ability to speak out所以,对于事情的关键, 作为基督徒, 禁止我说话的能力
109about my faith and the influence it has on my life would, for me, be an unholy act which关于我的信仰和它对我生命的影响, 对我来说,是一种不神圣的行为,
110goes against all that I stand for as a Christian.与我作为基督徒所支持的一切背道而驰
111I respect that that is not what many of you believe, but my hope is that despite this我尊重,这不是你们许多人相信的 但我希望,尽管如此
112you would still want to respect my ability to practice my belief and to live according你仍然想尊重我的能力 来实践我的信仰 并接受生活
113to my conscience.我对我的良心。
114Yes, of course, we may need to look at agreeing the parameters in which I can do this so as当然,我们可能需要考虑商定我可以这样做的参数,以便
115to ensure the dignity and safety of all, particularly on matters that can cause harm确保所有人的尊严和安全,特别是在可能造成损害的事项上
116and offence.和违法行为。
117Yes, of course, we may need to look at the privileges and powers automatically given是的,当然,我们可能需要看 特权和权力自动给予
118to certain figures in our establishment, forgive me.请原谅我们机构的某些人物
119However, if the society is to be a fully functioning society which braces and celebrates the diversity但是,如果社会要成为一个充分运作的社会,它要巩固和颂扬多样性。
120of all, then we need to learn to respect each other and our differences and make space最重要的是,我们需要学会尊重彼此,尊重我们的分歧,创造空间
121for each other so that we can all thrive.为彼此,以便我们都能繁荣。
122In conclusion, I believe one should never seek to ban, but rather to understand.最后,我认为,人们不应该寻求禁止,而应该理解。
123One should never seek to control, but rather to empower.我们绝不应寻求控制,而应增强能力。
124One should never seek to silence, but rather to listen and learn.人们不应寻求沉默,而应倾听和学习。
125So let us work together to put in place the safeguards that we need so that we can ensure因此,让我们共同努力,建立我们需要的保障措施,以确保
126that all who want to can say, may all your Christmases be bright.所有想说的人 愿你们所有的圣诞节都明亮
127Thank you.谢谢
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P28 · 【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有没有地位？ p28 14. 14. 【英文字幕】Professor Richard Swinburne_Have(6_8） (1) (P28)

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0:09I thank Alva for her speech and now look to Professor Richard Swinburne to continue the case for the opposition.我感谢阿尔瓦的发言,现在希望理查德·斯温伯恩教授继续为反对派辩护。
0:22We can understand this motion in a number of different ways.我们可以以多种不同的方式理解这一动议。
0:27If it's understood in a narrow sense, it's just the motion that we shouldn't privilege religion in legal ways如果从狭义上理解,那只是我们不应该在法律上赋予宗教特权的运动而已.
0:37by having bishops in the House of Lords or forcing people to contribute financially to the propagation of religion.在上议院设主教或强迫人们为宗教的传播捐款。
0:48In that respect, I entirely agree with the Honourable Member's opposite.在这方面,我完全同意尊敬的成员的观点。
0:54But clearly there's a wider claim behind this motion.但显然这个动议背后有更广泛的主张.
0:59And that wider claim is that people shouldn't adduce religious reasons for supporting some law or for voting in an election because why?更广义的说法是,人们不应该提出宗教理由来支持某些法律,或者因为为什么在选举中投票?
1:13Well, because the other side can't quite understand these reasons and one should produce reasons which are entirely independent of religious considerations.因为另一方不能完全理解这些原因 并且应该产生完全独立于宗教考虑的原因
1:27It's very difficult to see what the justification of that general principle is.很难看出这项一般原则的理由是什么。
1:32But behind it there lies a principle which philosophers discuss sometimes as the principle of public reason.但背后有一个原则,哲学家有时会将其作为公共理性的原则来讨论.
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1I thank Alva for her speech and now look to Professor Richard Swinburne to continue the case for the opposition.我感谢阿尔瓦的发言,现在希望理查德·斯温伯恩教授继续为反对派辩护。
2We can understand this motion in a number of different ways.我们可以以多种不同的方式理解这一动议。
3If it's understood in a narrow sense, it's just the motion that we shouldn't privilege religion in legal ways如果从狭义上理解,那只是我们不应该在法律上赋予宗教特权的运动而已.
4by having bishops in the House of Lords or forcing people to contribute financially to the propagation of religion.在上议院设主教或强迫人们为宗教的传播捐款。
5In that respect, I entirely agree with the Honourable Member's opposite.在这方面,我完全同意尊敬的成员的观点。
6But clearly there's a wider claim behind this motion.但显然这个动议背后有更广泛的主张.
7And that wider claim is that people shouldn't adduce religious reasons for supporting some law or for voting in an election because why?更广义的说法是,人们不应该提出宗教理由来支持某些法律,或者因为为什么在选举中投票?
8Well, because the other side can't quite understand these reasons and one should produce reasons which are entirely independent of religious considerations.因为另一方不能完全理解这些原因 并且应该产生完全独立于宗教考虑的原因
9It's very difficult to see what the justification of that general principle is.很难看出这项一般原则的理由是什么。
10But behind it there lies a principle which philosophers discuss sometimes as the principle of public reason.但背后有一个原则,哲学家有时会将其作为公共理性的原则来讨论.
11That is, that in such public discussions one should only produce reasons that in some sense the opposition can understand what they're about.也就是说,在这种公开的讨论中,人们只应该提出一些理由,从某种意义上说,反对派能够理解他们的内容.
12And therefore, since the opposition to some proposals is secular and can't make sense of religion,因此,由于对某些提案的反对是世俗的,不能使宗教有意义,
13then that's a reason why those who can make sense of religion shouldn't refer to their religious reasons in support of them.因此,那些能够讲解宗教的人不应该提到他们的宗教理由来支持他们.
14They should only refer to such things as, well, would the passing of this law make people happy?他们只应该提到这样的事情,那么,通过这部法律会使人们高兴吗?
15Would it increase the greatest happiness to the greatest number or something like that?它能把最大的幸福提升到最大的数量还是那样?
16And then we could have a poll to see whether people were happier or not happier as a result.然后我们就可以进行民意调查,看看人们是否因此更快乐。
17But we shouldn't mention religious reasons because they can't be grasped, can't be understood, can't be appreciated by the other side.但我们不应该提到宗教原因,因为宗教原因不能被抓住,不能被理解,不能被对方欣赏.
18Now, that principle must be mistaken.现在,这个原则一定是错误的。
19Let's take a very simple non-religious example of this.让我们举一个非常简单的非宗教的例子。
20Suppose you are a member of a committee electing someone to a public office,如果你是选举某人担任公职的委员会成员,
21and most of the members of the committee think that person is marvellous.而委员会大部分成员都认为这个人是了不起的。
22But you happen to know that he's a thief because you actually saw him steal something.但你碰巧知道他是个小偷 因为你看见他偷东西
23You use this as a reason for voting against him.你用这个作为反对他的理由
24But, of course, the opposition will say, you're using a private source of knowledge here.但是,当然,反对派会说, 你在这里使用私人的知识来源。
25You're calling on something that only you know.你所呼吁的东西 只有你知道。
26You must produce public reasons.你必须提出公开的理由。
27Lots of people have seen this person steal, and therefore they would object.很多人看到这个人被偷 所以他们会反对
28Now, it seems to me that the objection to bringing religion into the public debate has that characteristic.现在,在我看来,反对将宗教纳入公共辩论具有这一特点。
29If somebody produces a religious reason for supporting or opposing some piece of public legislation on abortion or euthanasia or gay marriage or whatever it is,如果有人提出宗教理由支持或反对关于堕胎、安乐死或同性恋婚姻的某项公共立法,或不管它是什么,
30the opposition say, well, this is not the sort of reason you ought to be bringing forward反对派说,这不是你应该提出的理由
31because we don't think that religion has anything to do with this.因为我们不认为宗教 与此有关。
32We don't think that there's a god and we don't think that he has revealed certain things.我们不认为有神 我们不认为他透露了某些事情
33So you shouldn't be bringing this into the discussion.所以,你不应该 把这个在讨论。
34But my rather simple example suggests that some people may have access to kinds of knowledge which other people are not able to appreciate.但是,我举的相当简单的例子表明,有些人可能获得他人无法欣赏的知识。
35Some people may have deep religious experiences which has convinced them of the existence of God有些人也许有很深的宗教经历 让他们相信上帝的存在
36and perhaps convinced them of the truth of the Christian religion and therefore of the moral principles which follow from it.并使他们确信基督教的真理,因此也确信由此而产生的道德原则。
37Other people, and I name myself, of course, among them, claim to have rather good arguments for the existence of God.其他人,我当然指自己,在他们中间,声称对上帝的存在有相当好的论点.
38Very good arguments of a scientific character and very good arguments of principles similarly of the kind that scientists use科学性质的非常好的论点 和类似科学家使用的原则的非常好的论点
39for supposing that God became incarnate in Christ and revealed to us certain truths.假设上帝在基督中化为化身 并且向我们揭示一些真理
40Now, of course, the opposition don't agree, but the fact that they can't see this is no reason why I can't see this现在,当然,反对派不同意, 但事实上,他们不能看到这一点 并不是为什么我不能看到这一点
41and it would be most undemocratic and unfair to object to me producing these arguments just because you can't follow them.而反对我提出这些论点 是因为你无法遵循
42And the arguments may have a certain complexity to them sometimes, but then that's the way with arguments.而这些论点有时对他们来说可能有一定的复杂性,但接下来就是提出论点的方式.
43And if those arguments are correct, then we have been given certain moral teaching by Jesus如果这些论点是正确的,那么我们得到了耶稣的某种道德教导
44and he founded a church to continue that moral teaching and therefore we should pay great attention to it because it's God's moral teaching.他建立了一个教会来继续这个道德教义,因此我们应该对此给予极大的关注,因为这是上帝的道德教义.
45Now, if there is a God, if those arguments work, then of course God, being omniscient, knows what the moral truths are.现在,如果有上帝,如果这些争论有效,那么上帝当然会无所不知,知道什么是道德真理。
46And what's more, if there is a God, he has given us the good things of life还有,如果有上帝,他给了我们生命的美好
47and he has given us the good things of life sometimes on certain conditions.他有时在某种条件下 给我们一些美好的生活
48One often gives something to someone, say you can use it or not as you want, but if you use it, you must use it for these purposes.人们经常给别人一些东西,说可以随便用或者不要用,但是如果你用它,你必须为了这些目的用它.
49And he has given us our environment, our life, and say, well, it's up to you how you use it, but you mustn't use it in this way.他给了我们环境,我们的生活, 并说,好吧,这取决于你如何使用它, 但你不能这样使用它。
50And he has given us our sexual organs and he can say, yes, they are for these purposes, you don't have to get married or whatever,他给我们的性器官,他可以说, 是的,他们是为了这些目的, 你不必结婚什么的,
51but if you do use them, these are the reasons I want you to use them for.但是如果你真的使用它们, 这就是我要你使用它们的原因。
52And if he has indeed given us life and has indeed given us life under those conditions, we have a moral obligation to follow.如果他确实给了我们生命,并且确实给了我们在这种条件下的生命,我们有道义上的义务。
53Now, of course, it may be disputed, all sages in these arguments are disputed,现在,当然,它可能会引起争议, 这些论点中的所有贤者都是有争议的,
54and that is right that they should be disputed and open to arguments, and I certainly have taken part in many such arguments.这是正确的,他们应该受到争议和争论,我当然参加了许多这种争论。
55But when we have to vote on a political issue, alas, the House of Commons is unwilling to spend several months discussing the existence of God,但当我们必须就一个政治问题投票时, 可悲的是,下议院不愿花几个月讨论上帝的存在,
56let alone whether he has become incarnate in Christ.更别说他是在基督中被化身的
57And for that reason, we have to start from where we are, and those who all have a certain moral views,出于这个原因,我们必须从我们所处的位置开始, 以及那些有某种道德观点的人,
58which are the result of their considered view that there is a God who has given us life for certain conditions, we ought to fulfill them.他们深思熟虑地认为,有一个神使我们有生命,我们应当满足他们。
59And we are entitled to produce these reasons and to argue on the basis of these reasons,我们有权提出这些理由 基于这些理由
60just as much as the other side are entitled to argue on the basis of there is no God and these reasons are not valid.正如另一方有权以没有上帝为根据进行争论,这些理由是无效的。
61Both sides have an equal right and the religion must, therefore, because there are many people who think in this way,双方都有平等的权利,因此宗教必须,因为有许多人这样认为,
62become part of the public life in that people should be right in arguing for or against abortion on these sort of grounds or other things like it.成为公共生活的一部分,因为人们应该正确地主张或反对基于这些理由或其他类似理由的堕胎。
63Consider, for example, take you to a different era of history and consider the situation in the Roman Empire of the fourth century AD,比如说 带你进入不同的历史时代 想想公元4世纪罗马帝国的情况
64just after the legalization of Christianity.就在基督教合法化之后
65The Greeks had the very nasty habit of infanticide.希腊人有非常讨厌的杀婴习惯。
66They put the infants they didn't wish to have around out in the country and let them die on the hilltops.他们把不想生下来的婴儿放在乡下 让他们死在山顶上
67They exposed their children and their justification was of a purely secular kind,他们揭发了自己的子女,他们的辩护是纯世俗的,
68that, well, what's important about humans is their capacities, their mental and physical capacities.人类最重要的就是他们的能力 身心能力
69And if children were disabled or if they were females, surplus to requirement, then we didn't want them.如果孩子是残疾的,如果他们是女性, 多余的要求,那么我们不希望他们。
70And for the good of the state, we didn't want these sort of people around.为了国家的利益 我们不想让这些人来这
71Christians came along and said, no, our religion has taught us that we are all made in the image of God基督徒来了,说,不,我们的宗教 教导我们,我们都是以上帝的形象创造的
72and therefore they are equally entitled to our views.因此,他们同样有权听取我们的意见。
73And in this way, eventually, many non-religious people have come to recognize the great good that has been produced by this particular view of humanity.以这种方式,最终,许多非宗教人士开始认识到这种特殊的人性观点所产生的巨大好处.
74And I think there are many other respects in which this is so.我认为,还有其他许多方面的情况是这样。
75But if you don't agree, you are nevertheless not entitled to object to people arguing for particular pieces of legislation on moral grounds.但如果你不同意,你无权反对人们 以道德为由 主张特定的立法。
76Their moral grounds being that they are not entirely competent to decide the morals for themselves.他们的道德基础是,他们不完全有能力自行决定道德。
77They need help.他们需要帮助。
78We all need help.我们都需要帮助。
79And that help comes from God through his scripture and site interpreted by the Church.这种帮助来自上帝 通过他的经文和教会解释的地方。
80Now, of course, there are going to be disputes about whether the Church has got it right in this or that respect.现在,当然,对于教会是正确还是正确,将会有争议。
81There are always going to be disputes about whether any atheist has got it right in this respect.任何无神论者在这方面是否正确,总会有争议.
82Of course, there are going to be disputes.当然,会有争议。
83But it's not the Church that is the Church may get it wrong sometimes, but goodness knows atheistic society has got it badly wrong sometimes.但教会有时可能不会搞错 但上帝知道无神论社会有时会搞错
84The real oppressors of the 20th century, the really nasty people who did all the harm in the 20th century were two religions,20世纪的真正压迫者 20世纪造成所有伤害的人 是两个宗教
85two anti-religious, two anti-religions of Nazism and Stalinist communism,两个反宗教,两个反纳粹主义和斯大林主义共产主义的宗教,
86both of whom were explicitly committed to eliminating religion and they were the great oppressors.他们都明确承诺要消灭宗教,他们都是大压迫者。
87So everybody can get it wrong, but don't ban one side.这样大家都可以搞错了,但不要禁止一方.
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P29 · 【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有没有地位？ p29 14. 14. 【英文字幕】Professor Richard Swinburne_Have(6_8） (P29)

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0:09I thank Alva for her speech and now look to Professor Richard Swinburne to continue the case for the opposition.我感谢阿尔瓦的发言,现在希望理查德·斯温伯恩教授继续为反对派辩护。
0:22We can understand this motion in a number of different ways.我们可以以多种不同的方式理解这一动议。
0:27If it's understood in a narrow sense, it's just the motion that we shouldn't privilege religion in legal ways如果从狭义上理解,那只是我们不应该在法律上赋予宗教特权的运动而已.
0:37by having bishops in the House of Lords or forcing people to contribute financially to the propagation of religion.在上议院设主教或强迫人们为宗教的传播捐款。
0:48In that respect, I entirely agree with the Honourable Member's opposite.在这方面,我完全同意尊敬的成员的观点。
0:54But clearly there's a wider claim behind this motion.但显然这个动议背后有更广泛的主张.
0:59And that wider claim is that people shouldn't adduce religious reasons for supporting some law or for voting in an election because why?更广义的说法是,人们不应该提出宗教理由来支持某些法律,或者因为为什么在选举中投票?
1:13Well, because the other side can't quite understand these reasons and one should produce reasons which are entirely independent of religious considerations.因为另一方不能完全理解这些原因 并且应该产生完全独立于宗教考虑的原因
1:27It's very difficult to see what the justification of that general principle is.很难看出这项一般原则的理由是什么。
1:32But behind it there lies a principle which philosophers discuss sometimes as the principle of public reason.但背后有一个原则,哲学家有时会将其作为公共理性的原则来讨论.
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1I thank Alva for her speech and now look to Professor Richard Swinburne to continue the case for the opposition.我感谢阿尔瓦的发言,现在希望理查德·斯温伯恩教授继续为反对派辩护。
2We can understand this motion in a number of different ways.我们可以以多种不同的方式理解这一动议。
3If it's understood in a narrow sense, it's just the motion that we shouldn't privilege religion in legal ways如果从狭义上理解,那只是我们不应该在法律上赋予宗教特权的运动而已.
4by having bishops in the House of Lords or forcing people to contribute financially to the propagation of religion.在上议院设主教或强迫人们为宗教的传播捐款。
5In that respect, I entirely agree with the Honourable Member's opposite.在这方面,我完全同意尊敬的成员的观点。
6But clearly there's a wider claim behind this motion.但显然这个动议背后有更广泛的主张.
7And that wider claim is that people shouldn't adduce religious reasons for supporting some law or for voting in an election because why?更广义的说法是,人们不应该提出宗教理由来支持某些法律,或者因为为什么在选举中投票?
8Well, because the other side can't quite understand these reasons and one should produce reasons which are entirely independent of religious considerations.因为另一方不能完全理解这些原因 并且应该产生完全独立于宗教考虑的原因
9It's very difficult to see what the justification of that general principle is.很难看出这项一般原则的理由是什么。
10But behind it there lies a principle which philosophers discuss sometimes as the principle of public reason.但背后有一个原则,哲学家有时会将其作为公共理性的原则来讨论.
11That is, that in such public discussions one should only produce reasons that in some sense the opposition can understand what they're about.也就是说,在这种公开的讨论中,人们只应该提出一些理由,从某种意义上说,反对派能够理解他们的内容.
12And therefore, since the opposition to some proposals is secular and can't make sense of religion,因此,由于对某些提案的反对是世俗的,不能使宗教有意义,
13then that's a reason why those who can make sense of religion shouldn't refer to their religious reasons in support of them.因此,那些能够讲解宗教的人不应该提到他们的宗教理由来支持他们.
14They should only refer to such things as, well, would the passing of this law make people happy?他们只应该提到这样的事情,那么,通过这部法律会使人们高兴吗?
15Would it increase the greatest happiness to the greatest number or something like that?它能把最大的幸福提升到最大的数量还是那样?
16And then we could have a poll to see whether people were happier or not happier as a result.然后我们就可以进行民意调查,看看人们是否因此更快乐。
17But we shouldn't mention religious reasons because they can't be grasped, can't be understood, can't be appreciated by the other side.但我们不应该提到宗教原因,因为宗教原因不能被抓住,不能被理解,不能被对方欣赏.
18Now, that principle must be mistaken.现在,这个原则一定是错误的。
19Let's take a very simple non-religious example of this.让我们举一个非常简单的非宗教的例子。
20Suppose you are a member of a committee electing someone to a public office,如果你是选举某人担任公职的委员会成员,
21and most of the members of the committee think that person is marvellous.而委员会大部分成员都认为这个人是了不起的。
22But you happen to know that he's a thief because you actually saw him steal something.但你碰巧知道他是个小偷 因为你看见他偷东西
23You use this as a reason for voting against him.你用这个作为反对他的理由
24But, of course, the opposition will say, you're using a private source of knowledge here.但是,当然,反对派会说, 你在这里使用私人的知识来源。
25You're calling on something that only you know.你所呼吁的东西 只有你知道。
26You must produce public reasons.你必须提出公开的理由。
27Lots of people have seen this person steal, and therefore they would object.很多人看到这个人被偷 所以他们会反对
28Now, it seems to me that the objection to bringing religion into the public debate has that characteristic.现在,在我看来,反对将宗教纳入公共辩论具有这一特点。
29If somebody produces a religious reason for supporting or opposing some piece of public legislation on abortion or euthanasia or gay marriage or whatever it is,如果有人提出宗教理由支持或反对关于堕胎、安乐死或同性恋婚姻的某项公共立法,或不管它是什么,
30the opposition say, well, this is not the sort of reason you ought to be bringing forward反对派说,这不是你应该提出的理由
31because we don't think that religion has anything to do with this.因为我们不认为宗教 与此有关。
32We don't think that there's a god and we don't think that he has revealed certain things.我们不认为有神 我们不认为他透露了某些事情
33So you shouldn't be bringing this into the discussion.所以,你不应该 把这个在讨论。
34But my rather simple example suggests that some people may have access to kinds of knowledge which other people are not able to appreciate.但是,我举的相当简单的例子表明,有些人可能获得他人无法欣赏的知识。
35Some people may have deep religious experiences which has convinced them of the existence of God有些人也许有很深的宗教经历 让他们相信上帝的存在
36and perhaps convinced them of the truth of the Christian religion and therefore of the moral principles which follow from it.并使他们确信基督教的真理,因此也确信由此而产生的道德原则。
37Other people, and I name myself, of course, among them, claim to have rather good arguments for the existence of God.其他人,我当然指自己,在他们中间,声称对上帝的存在有相当好的论点.
38Very good arguments of a scientific character and very good arguments of principles similarly of the kind that scientists use科学性质的非常好的论点 和类似科学家使用的原则的非常好的论点
39for supposing that God became incarnate in Christ and revealed to us certain truths.假设上帝在基督中化为化身 并且向我们揭示一些真理
40Now, of course, the opposition don't agree, but the fact that they can't see this is no reason why I can't see this现在,当然,反对派不同意, 但事实上,他们不能看到这一点 并不是为什么我不能看到这一点
41and it would be most undemocratic and unfair to object to me producing these arguments just because you can't follow them.而反对我提出这些论点 是因为你无法遵循
42And the arguments may have a certain complexity to them sometimes, but then that's the way with arguments.而这些论点有时对他们来说可能有一定的复杂性,但接下来就是提出论点的方式.
43And if those arguments are correct, then we have been given certain moral teaching by Jesus如果这些论点是正确的,那么我们得到了耶稣的某种道德教导
44and he founded a church to continue that moral teaching and therefore we should pay great attention to it because it's God's moral teaching.他建立了一个教会来继续这个道德教义,因此我们应该对此给予极大的关注,因为这是上帝的道德教义.
45Now, if there is a God, if those arguments work, then of course God, being omniscient, knows what the moral truths are.现在,如果有上帝,如果这些争论有效,那么上帝当然会无所不知,知道什么是道德真理。
46And what's more, if there is a God, he has given us the good things of life还有,如果有上帝,他给了我们生命的美好
47and he has given us the good things of life sometimes on certain conditions.他有时在某种条件下 给我们一些美好的生活
48One often gives something to someone, say you can use it or not as you want, but if you use it, you must use it for these purposes.人们经常给别人一些东西,说可以随便用或者不要用,但是如果你用它,你必须为了这些目的用它.
49And he has given us our environment, our life, and say, well, it's up to you how you use it, but you mustn't use it in this way.他给了我们环境,我们的生活, 并说,好吧,这取决于你如何使用它, 但你不能这样使用它。
50And he has given us our sexual organs and he can say, yes, they are for these purposes, you don't have to get married or whatever,他给我们的性器官,他可以说, 是的,他们是为了这些目的, 你不必结婚什么的,
51but if you do use them, these are the reasons I want you to use them for.但是如果你真的使用它们, 这就是我要你使用它们的原因。
52And if he has indeed given us life and has indeed given us life under those conditions, we have a moral obligation to follow.如果他确实给了我们生命,并且确实给了我们在这种条件下的生命,我们有道义上的义务。
53Now, of course, it may be disputed, all sages in these arguments are disputed,现在,当然,它可能会引起争议, 这些论点中的所有贤者都是有争议的,
54and that is right that they should be disputed and open to arguments, and I certainly have taken part in many such arguments.这是正确的,他们应该受到争议和争论,我当然参加了许多这种争论。
55But when we have to vote on a political issue, alas, the House of Commons is unwilling to spend several months discussing the existence of God,但当我们必须就一个政治问题投票时, 可悲的是,下议院不愿花几个月讨论上帝的存在,
56let alone whether he has become incarnate in Christ.更别说他是在基督中被化身的
57And for that reason, we have to start from where we are, and those who all have a certain moral views,出于这个原因,我们必须从我们所处的位置开始, 以及那些有某种道德观点的人,
58which are the result of their considered view that there is a God who has given us life for certain conditions, we ought to fulfill them.他们深思熟虑地认为,有一个神使我们有生命,我们应当满足他们。
59And we are entitled to produce these reasons and to argue on the basis of these reasons,我们有权提出这些理由 基于这些理由
60just as much as the other side are entitled to argue on the basis of there is no God and these reasons are not valid.正如另一方有权以没有上帝为根据进行争论,这些理由是无效的。
61Both sides have an equal right and the religion must, therefore, because there are many people who think in this way,双方都有平等的权利,因此宗教必须,因为有许多人这样认为,
62become part of the public life in that people should be right in arguing for or against abortion on these sort of grounds or other things like it.成为公共生活的一部分,因为人们应该正确地主张或反对基于这些理由或其他类似理由的堕胎。
63Consider, for example, take you to a different era of history and consider the situation in the Roman Empire of the fourth century AD,比如说 带你进入不同的历史时代 想想公元4世纪罗马帝国的情况
64just after the legalization of Christianity.就在基督教合法化之后
65The Greeks had the very nasty habit of infanticide.希腊人有非常讨厌的杀婴习惯。
66They put the infants they didn't wish to have around out in the country and let them die on the hilltops.他们把不想生下来的婴儿放在乡下 让他们死在山顶上
67They exposed their children and their justification was of a purely secular kind,他们揭发了自己的子女,他们的辩护是纯世俗的,
68that, well, what's important about humans is their capacities, their mental and physical capacities.人类最重要的就是他们的能力 身心能力
69And if children were disabled or if they were females, surplus to requirement, then we didn't want them.如果孩子是残疾的,如果他们是女性, 多余的要求,那么我们不希望他们。
70And for the good of the state, we didn't want these sort of people around.为了国家的利益 我们不想让这些人来这
71Christians came along and said, no, our religion has taught us that we are all made in the image of God基督徒来了,说,不,我们的宗教 教导我们,我们都是以上帝的形象创造的
72and therefore they are equally entitled to our views.因此,他们同样有权听取我们的意见。
73And in this way, eventually, many non-religious people have come to recognize the great good that has been produced by this particular view of humanity.以这种方式,最终,许多非宗教人士开始认识到这种特殊的人性观点所产生的巨大好处.
74And I think there are many other respects in which this is so.我认为,还有其他许多方面的情况是这样。
75But if you don't agree, you are nevertheless not entitled to object to people arguing for particular pieces of legislation on moral grounds.但如果你不同意,你无权反对人们 以道德为由 主张特定的立法。
76Their moral grounds being that they are not entirely competent to decide the morals for themselves.他们的道德基础是,他们不完全有能力自行决定道德。
77They need help.他们需要帮助。
78We all need help.我们都需要帮助。
79And that help comes from God through his scripture and site interpreted by the Church.这种帮助来自上帝 通过他的经文和教会解释的地方。
80Now, of course, there are going to be disputes about whether the Church has got it right in this or that respect.现在,当然,对于教会是正确还是正确,将会有争议。
81There are always going to be disputes about whether any atheist has got it right in this respect.任何无神论者在这方面是否正确,总会有争议.
82Of course, there are going to be disputes.当然,会有争议。
83But it's not the Church that is the Church may get it wrong sometimes, but goodness knows atheistic society has got it badly wrong sometimes.但教会有时可能不会搞错 但上帝知道无神论社会有时会搞错
84The real oppressors of the 20th century, the really nasty people who did all the harm in the 20th century were two religions,20世纪的真正压迫者 20世纪造成所有伤害的人 是两个宗教
85two anti-religious, two anti-religions of Nazism and Stalinist communism,两个反宗教,两个反纳粹主义和斯大林主义共产主义的宗教,
86both of whom were explicitly committed to eliminating religion and they were the great oppressors.他们都明确承诺要消灭宗教,他们都是大压迫者。
87So everybody can get it wrong, but don't ban one side.这样大家都可以搞错了,但不要禁止一方.
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0:09And now I look to Mike Nido to close the case for the proposition.现在我指望迈克尼多 结束这个案子
0:19Thank you very much.谢谢
0:20This is an honor to be here, so I appreciate it.我很荣幸能来,所以我很感激
0:22I don't know if you guys know, we get a letter with this, or at least I got a letter, I assume everyone does.我不知道你们是否知道 我们收到一封信 或者至少我收到一封信 我想每个人都知道
0:26And they compare you, they talk about past speakers like Elton John and Mother Teresa, three US presidents, Albert Einstein.他们比较你,他们谈论过去 发言者像埃尔顿·约翰和特里萨修女, 三位美国总统,阿尔伯特·爱因斯坦。
0:36And I thought that was rather humorous that I was being put in that group.我觉得这样很幽默 我被安排在那个团体里
0:40So I came up with this great routine, but I don't have time to give it to you.所以我想出了这个伟大的常规, 但我没有时间给你。
0:43So I want you to know it was really funny, and I want you, just for a minute, just because I think I deserve some appreciation for having worked on it,所以我想让你知道,这真的很有趣, 我想你,只是一分钟, 只是因为我认为我值得一些 感谢,我的工作,
0:52over to the next, when I say go, I want you to give me like three or four seconds of boisterous applause and laughter.接下来,当我说走时, 我要你给我三四秒钟的掌声和笑声。
0:57Okay?好吗?
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1And now I look to Mike Nido to close the case for the proposition.现在我指望迈克尼多 结束这个案子
2Thank you very much.谢谢
3This is an honor to be here, so I appreciate it.我很荣幸能来,所以我很感激
4I don't know if you guys know, we get a letter with this, or at least I got a letter, I assume everyone does.我不知道你们是否知道 我们收到一封信 或者至少我收到一封信 我想每个人都知道
5And they compare you, they talk about past speakers like Elton John and Mother Teresa, three US presidents, Albert Einstein.他们比较你,他们谈论过去 发言者像埃尔顿·约翰和特里萨修女, 三位美国总统,阿尔伯特·爱因斯坦。
6And I thought that was rather humorous that I was being put in that group.我觉得这样很幽默 我被安排在那个团体里
7So I came up with this great routine, but I don't have time to give it to you.所以我想出了这个伟大的常规, 但我没有时间给你。
8So I want you to know it was really funny, and I want you, just for a minute, just because I think I deserve some appreciation for having worked on it,所以我想让你知道,这真的很有趣, 我想你,只是一分钟, 只是因为我认为我值得一些 感谢,我的工作,
9over to the next, when I say go, I want you to give me like three or four seconds of boisterous applause and laughter.接下来,当我说走时, 我要你给我三四秒钟的掌声和笑声。
10Okay?好吗?
11One, two, go.一,二,开始
12That was so unexpected.太出乎意料了,你觉得呢?
13Thank you.谢谢
14Okay, so people, the reason I'm here is some people think I'm an atheist activist, and that's why I was put on this side of the proposition.好了,所以人们,我来这里的原因是 有些人认为我是一个无神论活动家, 这就是为什么我被放在这个提议这一边。
15And I don't consider myself of that at all.我完全不认为自己会这样
16I consider myself an equal protection activist.我认为自己是一个平等的保护活动家。
17And I think that we're having difficulty with this whole argument because we never defined what it is we're talking about.我认为我们对于这整个争论有困难, 因为我们从来没有确定我们所说的是什么。
18And we use the word religion.我们使用宗教这个词。
19And so I'm going to use the constitutional, the American constitutional definition of religion, because I think the Americans got it right.所以我要使用宪法,美国宪法对宗教的定义, 因为我认为美国人是对的。
20I think we really did.我认为我们真的做到了。
21We have this brilliant document that was created, thanks to you guys, by the way, with your Stamp Act and taxation with our representation.顺便说一句,我们有一份非常出色的文件, 由你们创造的, 还有你们的印花法和我们的代表的税收。
22As a result of that, we went on our own and we created this beautiful document.因此,我们独自行动,创造了这份美丽的文件。
23And so we have a Bill of Rights, and our Bill of Rights starts,因此,我们有一个权利法案, 我们的权利法案开始,
24Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, not a religion, religion, and no law respecting.国会不得制定任何尊重建立宗教的法律,不得制定尊重宗教、宗教和法律。
25Government cannot get involved with this.政府不能介入此事。
26And we keep talking about the public and the public sphere and the public square and public life.我们继续谈论公共和公共领域以及公共广场和公共生活。
27That's very different from the government.这与政府大不相同.
28And those are the ideas that we have to keep separate, the government versus individuals and groups.这些都是我们必须分开的理念, 政府与个人和团体。
29And we keep getting those kind of mixed up.我们总是搞混这些
30And when we talk about religion, we're talking about in some cases, most of the time here,当我们谈论宗教,我们谈论 在某些情况下,大部分时间在这里,
31we keep talking about really monotheism, or at least multitheism, whatever, some belief in God.我们一直在谈论真正的一神论, 或者至少多神论,什么的, 一些信仰上帝。
32And the American vision, Congress can make no law respecting an establishment of religion.而美国的愿景,国会不能制定任何尊重建立宗教的法律.
33Religion isn't just one of those things.宗教不仅仅是其中之一。
34Religion is all views.宗教是所有的观点。
35And it's kind of, I think, the best way to illustrate this is to think about free speech.我认为,这是说明这一点的最好办法, 就是思考言论自由。
36Right now, what you see is speech.现在,你看到的是演讲。
37This is also speech, dance, music, sculpture, all things.这也是演讲,舞蹈,音乐,雕塑,所有的东西.
38So we really don't mean speech.因此,我们真的不是指演讲。
39What we mean is expression of an idea.我们的意思是表达一个想法。
40And this is speech.这是演讲
41If I'm trying to communicate an idea that I don't agree, that I don't want to participate,如果我想传达一个我不同意,我不想参与的想法,
42that is an expression of an idea.这是一种想法的表达。
43So even though we talk about the word speech, we really mean expression of ideas.所以,即使我们谈论演讲这个词, 我们真的是指表达思想。
44The same thing with religion.与教同义.
45We're not talking about belief in God.我们不是在说相信上帝
46We're talking about all opinions that have to do with things that are religious,我们说的是所有与宗教有关的意见
47which generally involve supreme beings.通常涉及至高无上的人
48But the right of an atheist is just the same as the right of a Catholic or a Protestant or a Hindu or anyone else.但无神论者的权利与天主教徒或新教徒、印度教徒或其他人的权利相同。
49Those people have views on this.这些人对此有看法。
50And all of those views have to be respected equally.并且所有这些观点必须平等地得到尊重。
51And so when we talk about religion yet superstition, that's one view of another person's religious view.所以当我们谈论宗教还是迷信时, 这是另一个人宗教观点的一种观点。
52And we talk about the other people think you guys don't understand anything, you don't understand the glory of God.我们谈论其他人 认为你们不懂什么, 你们不明白上帝的荣耀。
53That's another view of another person.这是另一个人的看法。
54But all of those are views of religion.但所有这些都是对宗教的看法。
55And the issue, in the American system at least, is that we don't want government taking sides.而在美国体系中,问题至少是,我们不希望政府站在一边.
56The Supreme Court, our Supreme Court has said,最高法院,我们最高法院说,
57government may not lend its power to one or the other side in controversies over religious dogma.政府不得在宗教教条的争论中将权力授予一方或另一方。
58And one of the greatest controversies of religious dogma, at least to my mind, is whether or not God exists.宗教教条的最大争议之一 至少在我看来 是上帝是否存在
59That's what we seem to be talking about here, or at least it's behind the scenes.这就是我们在这里谈论的, 或者至少是在幕后。
60And so we don't want government getting involved.我们不想让政府介入
61We certainly want people to go out into the public life, what we call in America the public square.我们当然希望人们去 进入公共生活, 我们称之为美国的公共广场。
62People always say, well, Newt, you're trying to get God out of the public square.人们总是说,嗯,纽特, 你试图让上帝离开公共广场。
63That is the stupidest thing.这是最愚蠢的事情。
64You don't know anything about what I'm talking about.你根本不知道我在说什么
65What I'm talking about is I want government in the public square.我说的就是我要政府到公共广场
66That's where it belongs.即是本处.
67I don't want it in government because the government has tremendous power.我不想在政府中这样做,因为政府拥有巨大的权力.
68And once you have that power, that's when you have all these evils, whether you want to attribute it to monotheism or atheism,一旦你拥有了这种力量, 那就是当你有所有这些邪恶, 无论是你想将其归因于一神论还是无神论,
69whatever you want to attribute to, it's that power.无论你想归属于什么 它就是那种力量
70And that's what we have to prevent that power from accreting into becoming a harmful issue.这就是我们必须防止这种力量 成为有害的问题。
71We show equal respect for all religious views.我们对所有宗教观点都表示同样的尊重。
72We make sure our government does that.我们确保政府这样做。
73And that's what I think is the key here.我认为这就是关键所在。
74So I think one way to let me just explain what I've done in terms of American violations of this principle.所以我想一种方法 让我解释一下 我在美国违反这一原则方面做了什么
75We have, we take little kids, we stand them up in school and we place their hands over their heart and their teachers,我们有,我们带小孩, 我们站在他们在学校里, 我们把他们的手放在他们的心脏和他们的老师,
76government agents in the public schools, tell them to say we are one nation under God.公立学校的政府工作人员 告诉他们 我们是上帝统治下的一个国家
77That's government taking sides in religious matters.政府在宗教事务上站在一边
78It's not allowed to do that.其事不许.
79We've made our national model, we who declare the beacon of religious liberty for the world.我们树立了国家典范,宣布世界宗教自由的灯塔.
80We will have an establishment clause.我们将有一个成立条款。
81Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.国会不得制定任何有关建立宗教的法律。
82And what do we do as our national model?我们国家模式怎么办?
83In God we trust.我们相信上帝
84Government's not taking sides in controversies over religious issues.政府不会在宗教问题上的争论中采取立场。
85And it's crazy.则其狂也.
86We made sure, we mandate now, that all on every single coin and currency bill.我们保证,我们现在授权, 所有的钱币和钞票。
87It's like the antithesis of what we claim that we stand for.这就像我们所主张的对立面。
88We have the Supreme Court when they start a recession.当他们开始衰退的时候 我们有最高法院
89God save the United States in this honorable court.愿上帝在这个光荣的法庭上拯救美国。
90I think a good way to think of this, and this is not usually popular and you may not get it, but if you think about it later, maybe you will.我认为这是一个很好的思考方法, 这通常不是流行的, 你可能得不到它, 但如果你以后再考虑, 也许你会的。
91At least to my mind, think about race.至少我认为 想想种族
92We certainly want to have discussions on race in the public square.我们当然想在公共广场上讨论种族问题。
93But can you imagine if we said to the little children, stand up, we are one nation under the Caucasian race.但是,你能想象如果我们对孩子们说,站起来, 我们是高加索种族下的一个民族。
94Have the Supreme Court start off, may the white people save the United States in this honorable court.让最高法院开始 愿白人在这个光荣的法庭 拯救美国
95I think we would all find that incredibly offensive.我想我们都觉得这令人难以置信的冒犯。
96And this is just as offensive.这同样是冒犯性的。
97We treat, the Supreme Court's also said, just as we subject to exacting scrutiny, laws that make classifications based on race, so too we strictly scrutinize governmental classifications based on religion.最高法院也说,正如我们受到严格审查一样,我们对待那些根据种族进行分类的法律,因此我们也严格审查政府根据宗教进行的分类。
98We certainly would never do what we do with religion and with atheism in America, what we seem to be doing with what we won't.我们绝对不会做我们做的 宗教和无神论在美国, 我们似乎正在做我们不会做的事。
99We would never do with race what we do with religion.我们绝不会用种族来对待宗教。
100And I think it's a critical issue.我认为这是一个关键问题。
101So I don't really have that much more to say.所以我没什么好说的了
102I'm early.我早来了
103But I would say this, that when we vote now with your feet, I would stay here and get to make sure that we get the discussion proper and separate religion,但我会说,当我们现在用你的脚投票时, 我会留在这里,确保我们的讨论是正当的和独立的宗教,
104which means, and we should never use the word religion in these debates.我们不应该在这些辩论中使用宗教一词。
105We should use monotheism if we're talking monotheism, Christianity if we're talking about Christianity, atheism if we're talking about atheism,如果我们在谈论一神论, 基督教在谈论基督教, 无神论在谈论无神论,
106and recognize that every one of those views deserves equal respect by our government.并承认所有这些观点都应该得到我国政府的同等尊重。
107You want to go out in the public square and say, well, your view is right.你想在公共广场上说 你的观点是对的
108Your view is wrong.你的看法是错误的。
109Fine.还好
110Go ahead.来吧。
111That's what you do.这就是你的工作。
112The government, though, has to stay out.政府,虽然,必须远离。
113And that's the whole issue.这就是问题所在
114So thank you for.所以谢谢你
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P31 · 【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有没有地位？ p31 15. 15. 【英文字幕】Mike Newdow_Has No(7_8) (P31)

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0:09And now I look to Mike Nido to close the case for the proposition.现在我指望迈克尼多 结束这个案子
0:19Thank you very much.谢谢
0:20This is an honor to be here, so I appreciate it.我很荣幸能来,所以我很感激
0:22I don't know if you guys know, we get a letter with this, or at least I got a letter, I assume everyone does.我不知道你们是否知道 我们收到一封信 或者至少我收到一封信 我想每个人都知道
0:26And they compare you, they talk about past speakers like Elton John and Mother Teresa, three US presidents, Albert Einstein.他们比较你,他们谈论过去 发言者像埃尔顿·约翰和特里萨修女, 三位美国总统,阿尔伯特·爱因斯坦。
0:36And I thought that was rather humorous that I was being put in that group.我觉得这样很幽默 我被安排在那个团体里
0:40So I came up with this great routine, but I don't have time to give it to you.所以我想出了这个伟大的常规, 但我没有时间给你。
0:43So I want you to know it was really funny, and I want you, just for a minute, just because I think I deserve some appreciation for having worked on it,所以我想让你知道,这真的很有趣, 我想你,只是一分钟, 只是因为我认为我值得一些 感谢,我的工作,
0:52over to the next, when I say go, I want you to give me like three or four seconds of boisterous applause and laughter.接下来,当我说走时, 我要你给我三四秒钟的掌声和笑声。
0:57Okay?好吗?
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1And now I look to Mike Nido to close the case for the proposition.现在我指望迈克尼多 结束这个案子
2Thank you very much.谢谢
3This is an honor to be here, so I appreciate it.我很荣幸能来,所以我很感激
4I don't know if you guys know, we get a letter with this, or at least I got a letter, I assume everyone does.我不知道你们是否知道 我们收到一封信 或者至少我收到一封信 我想每个人都知道
5And they compare you, they talk about past speakers like Elton John and Mother Teresa, three US presidents, Albert Einstein.他们比较你,他们谈论过去 发言者像埃尔顿·约翰和特里萨修女, 三位美国总统,阿尔伯特·爱因斯坦。
6And I thought that was rather humorous that I was being put in that group.我觉得这样很幽默 我被安排在那个团体里
7So I came up with this great routine, but I don't have time to give it to you.所以我想出了这个伟大的常规, 但我没有时间给你。
8So I want you to know it was really funny, and I want you, just for a minute, just because I think I deserve some appreciation for having worked on it,所以我想让你知道,这真的很有趣, 我想你,只是一分钟, 只是因为我认为我值得一些 感谢,我的工作,
9over to the next, when I say go, I want you to give me like three or four seconds of boisterous applause and laughter.接下来,当我说走时, 我要你给我三四秒钟的掌声和笑声。
10Okay?好吗?
11One, two, go.一,二,开始
12That was so unexpected.太出乎意料了,你觉得呢?
13Thank you.谢谢
14Okay, so people, the reason I'm here is some people think I'm an atheist activist, and that's why I was put on this side of the proposition.好了,所以人们,我来这里的原因是 有些人认为我是一个无神论活动家, 这就是为什么我被放在这个提议这一边。
15And I don't consider myself of that at all.我完全不认为自己会这样
16I consider myself an equal protection activist.我认为自己是一个平等的保护活动家。
17And I think that we're having difficulty with this whole argument because we never defined what it is we're talking about.我认为我们对于这整个争论有困难, 因为我们从来没有确定我们所说的是什么。
18And we use the word religion.我们使用宗教这个词。
19And so I'm going to use the constitutional, the American constitutional definition of religion, because I think the Americans got it right.所以我要使用宪法,美国宪法对宗教的定义, 因为我认为美国人是对的。
20I think we really did.我认为我们真的做到了。
21We have this brilliant document that was created, thanks to you guys, by the way, with your Stamp Act and taxation with our representation.顺便说一句,我们有一份非常出色的文件, 由你们创造的, 还有你们的印花法和我们的代表的税收。
22As a result of that, we went on our own and we created this beautiful document.因此,我们独自行动,创造了这份美丽的文件。
23And so we have a Bill of Rights, and our Bill of Rights starts,因此,我们有一个权利法案, 我们的权利法案开始,
24Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, not a religion, religion, and no law respecting.国会不得制定任何尊重建立宗教的法律,不得制定尊重宗教、宗教和法律。
25Government cannot get involved with this.政府不能介入此事。
26And we keep talking about the public and the public sphere and the public square and public life.我们继续谈论公共和公共领域以及公共广场和公共生活。
27That's very different from the government.这与政府大不相同.
28And those are the ideas that we have to keep separate, the government versus individuals and groups.这些都是我们必须分开的理念, 政府与个人和团体。
29And we keep getting those kind of mixed up.我们总是搞混这些
30And when we talk about religion, we're talking about in some cases, most of the time here,当我们谈论宗教,我们谈论 在某些情况下,大部分时间在这里,
31we keep talking about really monotheism, or at least multitheism, whatever, some belief in God.我们一直在谈论真正的一神论, 或者至少多神论,什么的, 一些信仰上帝。
32And the American vision, Congress can make no law respecting an establishment of religion.而美国的愿景,国会不能制定任何尊重建立宗教的法律.
33Religion isn't just one of those things.宗教不仅仅是其中之一。
34Religion is all views.宗教是所有的观点。
35And it's kind of, I think, the best way to illustrate this is to think about free speech.我认为,这是说明这一点的最好办法, 就是思考言论自由。
36Right now, what you see is speech.现在,你看到的是演讲。
37This is also speech, dance, music, sculpture, all things.这也是演讲,舞蹈,音乐,雕塑,所有的东西.
38So we really don't mean speech.因此,我们真的不是指演讲。
39What we mean is expression of an idea.我们的意思是表达一个想法。
40And this is speech.这是演讲
41If I'm trying to communicate an idea that I don't agree, that I don't want to participate,如果我想传达一个我不同意,我不想参与的想法,
42that is an expression of an idea.这是一种想法的表达。
43So even though we talk about the word speech, we really mean expression of ideas.所以,即使我们谈论演讲这个词, 我们真的是指表达思想。
44The same thing with religion.与教同义.
45We're not talking about belief in God.我们不是在说相信上帝
46We're talking about all opinions that have to do with things that are religious,我们说的是所有与宗教有关的意见
47which generally involve supreme beings.通常涉及至高无上的人
48But the right of an atheist is just the same as the right of a Catholic or a Protestant or a Hindu or anyone else.但无神论者的权利与天主教徒或新教徒、印度教徒或其他人的权利相同。
49Those people have views on this.这些人对此有看法。
50And all of those views have to be respected equally.并且所有这些观点必须平等地得到尊重。
51And so when we talk about religion yet superstition, that's one view of another person's religious view.所以当我们谈论宗教还是迷信时, 这是另一个人宗教观点的一种观点。
52And we talk about the other people think you guys don't understand anything, you don't understand the glory of God.我们谈论其他人 认为你们不懂什么, 你们不明白上帝的荣耀。
53That's another view of another person.这是另一个人的看法。
54But all of those are views of religion.但所有这些都是对宗教的看法。
55And the issue, in the American system at least, is that we don't want government taking sides.而在美国体系中,问题至少是,我们不希望政府站在一边.
56The Supreme Court, our Supreme Court has said,最高法院,我们最高法院说,
57government may not lend its power to one or the other side in controversies over religious dogma.政府不得在宗教教条的争论中将权力授予一方或另一方。
58And one of the greatest controversies of religious dogma, at least to my mind, is whether or not God exists.宗教教条的最大争议之一 至少在我看来 是上帝是否存在
59That's what we seem to be talking about here, or at least it's behind the scenes.这就是我们在这里谈论的, 或者至少是在幕后。
60And so we don't want government getting involved.我们不想让政府介入
61We certainly want people to go out into the public life, what we call in America the public square.我们当然希望人们去 进入公共生活, 我们称之为美国的公共广场。
62People always say, well, Newt, you're trying to get God out of the public square.人们总是说,嗯,纽特, 你试图让上帝离开公共广场。
63That is the stupidest thing.这是最愚蠢的事情。
64You don't know anything about what I'm talking about.你根本不知道我在说什么
65What I'm talking about is I want government in the public square.我说的就是我要政府到公共广场
66That's where it belongs.即是本处.
67I don't want it in government because the government has tremendous power.我不想在政府中这样做,因为政府拥有巨大的权力.
68And once you have that power, that's when you have all these evils, whether you want to attribute it to monotheism or atheism,一旦你拥有了这种力量, 那就是当你有所有这些邪恶, 无论是你想将其归因于一神论还是无神论,
69whatever you want to attribute to, it's that power.无论你想归属于什么 它就是那种力量
70And that's what we have to prevent that power from accreting into becoming a harmful issue.这就是我们必须防止这种力量 成为有害的问题。
71We show equal respect for all religious views.我们对所有宗教观点都表示同样的尊重。
72We make sure our government does that.我们确保政府这样做。
73And that's what I think is the key here.我认为这就是关键所在。
74So I think one way to let me just explain what I've done in terms of American violations of this principle.所以我想一种方法 让我解释一下 我在美国违反这一原则方面做了什么
75We have, we take little kids, we stand them up in school and we place their hands over their heart and their teachers,我们有,我们带小孩, 我们站在他们在学校里, 我们把他们的手放在他们的心脏和他们的老师,
76government agents in the public schools, tell them to say we are one nation under God.公立学校的政府工作人员 告诉他们 我们是上帝统治下的一个国家
77That's government taking sides in religious matters.政府在宗教事务上站在一边
78It's not allowed to do that.其事不许.
79We've made our national model, we who declare the beacon of religious liberty for the world.我们树立了国家典范,宣布世界宗教自由的灯塔.
80We will have an establishment clause.我们将有一个成立条款。
81Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.国会不得制定任何有关建立宗教的法律。
82And what do we do as our national model?我们国家模式怎么办?
83In God we trust.我们相信上帝
84Government's not taking sides in controversies over religious issues.政府不会在宗教问题上的争论中采取立场。
85And it's crazy.则其狂也.
86We made sure, we mandate now, that all on every single coin and currency bill.我们保证,我们现在授权, 所有的钱币和钞票。
87It's like the antithesis of what we claim that we stand for.这就像我们所主张的对立面。
88We have the Supreme Court when they start a recession.当他们开始衰退的时候 我们有最高法院
89God save the United States in this honorable court.愿上帝在这个光荣的法庭上拯救美国。
90I think a good way to think of this, and this is not usually popular and you may not get it, but if you think about it later, maybe you will.我认为这是一个很好的思考方法, 这通常不是流行的, 你可能得不到它, 但如果你以后再考虑, 也许你会的。
91At least to my mind, think about race.至少我认为 想想种族
92We certainly want to have discussions on race in the public square.我们当然想在公共广场上讨论种族问题。
93But can you imagine if we said to the little children, stand up, we are one nation under the Caucasian race.但是,你能想象如果我们对孩子们说,站起来, 我们是高加索种族下的一个民族。
94Have the Supreme Court start off, may the white people save the United States in this honorable court.让最高法院开始 愿白人在这个光荣的法庭 拯救美国
95I think we would all find that incredibly offensive.我想我们都觉得这令人难以置信的冒犯。
96And this is just as offensive.这同样是冒犯性的。
97We treat, the Supreme Court's also said, just as we subject to exacting scrutiny, laws that make classifications based on race, so too we strictly scrutinize governmental classifications based on religion.最高法院也说,正如我们受到严格审查一样,我们对待那些根据种族进行分类的法律,因此我们也严格审查政府根据宗教进行的分类。
98We certainly would never do what we do with religion and with atheism in America, what we seem to be doing with what we won't.我们绝对不会做我们做的 宗教和无神论在美国, 我们似乎正在做我们不会做的事。
99We would never do with race what we do with religion.我们绝不会用种族来对待宗教。
100And I think it's a critical issue.我认为这是一个关键问题。
101So I don't really have that much more to say.所以我没什么好说的了
102I'm early.我早来了
103But I would say this, that when we vote now with your feet, I would stay here and get to make sure that we get the discussion proper and separate religion,但我会说,当我们现在用你的脚投票时, 我会留在这里,确保我们的讨论是正当的和独立的宗教,
104which means, and we should never use the word religion in these debates.我们不应该在这些辩论中使用宗教一词。
105We should use monotheism if we're talking monotheism, Christianity if we're talking about Christianity, atheism if we're talking about atheism,如果我们在谈论一神论, 基督教在谈论基督教, 无神论在谈论无神论,
106and recognize that every one of those views deserves equal respect by our government.并承认所有这些观点都应该得到我国政府的同等尊重。
107You want to go out in the public square and say, well, your view is right.你想在公共广场上说 你的观点是对的
108Your view is wrong.你的看法是错误的。
109Fine.还好
110Go ahead.来吧。
111That's what you do.这就是你的工作。
112The government, though, has to stay out.政府,虽然,必须远离。
113And that's the whole issue.这就是问题所在
114So thank you for.所以谢谢你
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P32 · 【16集】英音精选 # 牛津大学辩论社，宗教在公共生活中，有没有地位？ p32 16. 16. 【英文字幕】Simon Van Teutem_Does Have(8_8） (1) (P32)

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0:09Thank Mike for his speech, and now I look to Simone van Toten, standing committee, Merton College, to close the case for the opposition.感谢迈克的演讲,现在我期待西蒙娜·范·托滕,默顿学院的常务委员会,为反对派结案.
0:26One year ago, Ravneet Singh was queuing outside of parliament.一年前,拉夫尼特·辛格在议会之外排队。
0:33He wanted to meet one of the MPs.他想见一位议员。
0:36A man came up to him, shouted in his face, and tried to grab his turban.一名男子上前,朝他脸上大喊大叫,想抢他的头巾.
0:44Last August, a group of Turks attacked two young Muslim girls in the streets of Dublin.去年8月,一群土耳其人在都柏林街头袭击了两名年轻的穆斯林女孩。
0:52They snatched off their hijabs, they pelted them with eggs, and they kicked them while they were on the ground.他们抢走头巾,用鸡蛋砸他们,在地上踢他们。
1:00As recently as two months ago, an Orthodox Jewish man in Brooklyn, New York, was bashed with a chair and assaulted by a group of criminals.最近两个月前,纽约布鲁克林一名东正教犹太教徒被一群罪犯用椅子殴打。
1:13Now, what's the common denominator here?这里有什么共同点?
1:16There are three, actually.其实有三个
1:19All the victims were harmless citizens.所有受害者都是无害的公民。
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1Thank Mike for his speech, and now I look to Simone van Toten, standing committee, Merton College, to close the case for the opposition.感谢迈克的演讲,现在我期待西蒙娜·范·托滕,默顿学院的常务委员会,为反对派结案.
2One year ago, Ravneet Singh was queuing outside of parliament.一年前,拉夫尼特·辛格在议会之外排队。
3He wanted to meet one of the MPs.他想见一位议员。
4A man came up to him, shouted in his face, and tried to grab his turban.一名男子上前,朝他脸上大喊大叫,想抢他的头巾.
5Last August, a group of Turks attacked two young Muslim girls in the streets of Dublin.去年8月,一群土耳其人在都柏林街头袭击了两名年轻的穆斯林女孩。
6They snatched off their hijabs, they pelted them with eggs, and they kicked them while they were on the ground.他们抢走头巾,用鸡蛋砸他们,在地上踢他们。
7As recently as two months ago, an Orthodox Jewish man in Brooklyn, New York, was bashed with a chair and assaulted by a group of criminals.最近两个月前,纽约布鲁克林一名东正教犹太教徒被一群罪犯用椅子殴打。
8Now, what's the common denominator here?这里有什么共同点?
9There are three, actually.其实有三个
10All the victims were harmless citizens.所有受害者都是无害的公民。
11All of these victims were peacefully practicing their religion in public life.所有这些受害者都在公共生活中和平地信奉自己的宗教。
12And all of these victims had their most basic rights viciously violated.所有这些受害者的最基本权利都遭到恶意侵犯。
13I'm standing here in front of you today, as a non-religious person myself, to defend these basic rights.我今天站在你们面前 作为一个非宗教的人 来捍卫这些基本权利
14But before doing so, I'd like to once more clarify this motion.但在此之前,我想再次澄清这个动议.
15The proposition, and even some of the speakers on the floor, would like you to think that this is about government taking side on religious issues.这个提议,甚至一些发言者,都希望你认为这是关于政府在宗教问题上站在一边。
16That this is about states sponsoring evil ideas.这是关于支持邪恶思想的国家。
17That this is about oppressing homosexuals, or feminists, or women in general.这是关于压迫同性恋者、女权主义者或一般妇女。
18They'd like you to think that it's only about religious people forcing their religion down atheist throats.他们希望你只考虑宗教人士 强迫他们信仰无神论者
19And you know what?你知道吗?
20I would be fine with banning all of that from public life.我完全可以禁止这一切 进入公共生活。
21I'd be totally fine with that.我完全可以这样做。
22But this motion goes way, way beyond this.但这个运动会很顺利 远远超出这个范围
23This motion tells us that religion has no place at all in public life.这一动议告诉我们,宗教在公共生活中没有任何地位。
24It tells us that in our schools we can't have any religious dialogue.它告诉我们,在我们学校,我们不能进行任何宗教对话。
25It tells us that in our public libraries we cannot have any religious texts.它告诉我们,在我们的公共图书馆里,我们没有任何宗教文本。
26It tells us that on our streets there is no room for religious prayer and no room for peaceful religious festivals.它告诉我们,我们的街道上没有宗教祈祷的地方,也没有和平的宗教节日。
27There is no room for religious symbols such as the turban that Ravneet was wearing outside of parliament.拉夫内特在议会外佩戴的头巾等宗教标志没有空间.
28And it falls upon our side of the house to show you today that public life should and must at least allow some place for religion.今天我们有责任向你们展示 公共生活应该而且至少必须允许宗教存在
29That is what this debate is about.这就是本次辩论的目的。
30And I think that my case can be summed up by three simple points.我认为,我的情况可以概括为三点。
31First of all, some public expressions of religion are valuable for society and do not inflict any harm upon our citizens.首先,某些公开的宗教表达对社会是有价值的,不会对我们的公民造成任何伤害。
32Secondly, these expressions do not promote or condone any of the problems raised by the proposition today.第二,这些表达方式不会助长或容忍今天提案引起的任何问题。
33They do not condone oppression.他们不会容忍压迫。
34They do not condone religious extremism.他们不宽恕宗教极端主义。
35And lastly, pushing religion into the private sphere will actually worsen the oppression and the problems raised by proposition today.最后,将宗教推向私人领域实际上会加剧今天命题引起的压迫和问题。
36So, let's start.所以,让我们开始。
37Why are some public expressions of religion valuable in society?为什么宗教的一些公开表达在社会上有价值?
38It's very simple.很简单
39They are valuable to many members of society.它们对许多社会成员来说是宝贵的。
40For many people, religion is an anchor of identity.对许多人来说,宗教是身份的支柱。
41Expressing and celebrating it in public life brings religious people deep satisfaction because it allows them to take pride in their culture.在公共生活中表达和庆祝它,使宗教人士感到非常满意,因为这使他们能够为自己的文化感到自豪。
42It gives them a sense of belonging because it shows to them that their fellow citizens can accept them for who they are in the public space.它赋予他们一种归属感,因为它向她们表明,她们的公民同胞能够接受他们在公共空间中的身份。
43Diwali, for instance, celebrates the spiritual victory of light over darkness, of good over evil, and of knowledge over ignorance.例如,迪瓦利庆祝光明战胜黑暗、善战胜恶、知识战胜无知的精神胜利。
44It gives Hindu men and women the opportunity to express beliefs that they feel are at the core of their very identity and do not inflict any harm on anyone.它使印度教男女有机会表达他们认为是其身份核心的信念,不会对任何人造成任何伤害。
45And yet, the honorable speakers of proposition side today want us to turn to our Hindu brothers and sisters and say there is no place for Diwali in public life.然而,今天在提案一方的尊敬的发言者希望我们转向我们的印度教兄弟姐妹,说迪瓦利在公共生活中没有位置。
46This stance simply fails to respectfully recognize Hindu culture.这一立场完全不承认印度教文化。
47Has anyone here read Animal Farm?有人读过动物农场吗?
48Proposition here is telling us that we are all free and equal citizens, but the atheists among us are just a bit more free and equal than others.这里的提议告诉我们,我们都是自由和平等的公民,但我们中间的无神论者只是比其他人更自由,更平等.
49Aside from identity, festivals like Diwali add a sense of meaning to our public interaction.除了身份之外,像迪瓦利这样的节日也增加了我们公众互动的意义感.
50They encourage people to do good, even in its smallest and simplest forms.它们鼓励人们做好事,即使是最小和最简单的形式。
51So in my primary school, once a year, a Jewish girl, Noah, would treat everyone to slices of apple and honey for Rosh Hashanah.所以在我的小学里,每年有一次, 一个犹太女孩,诺亚,会给每个人 一块苹果和蜂蜜,给罗什·哈沙纳。
52It was a very small gesture, a simple act of kindness, but small gestures in public life are more important than ever today.这是一个很小的姿态, 一个简单的善意的行为, 但是在公共生活中小的姿态比今天更加重要。
53Day by day, it is becoming increasingly difficult for us to meaningfully interact with each other in the public sphere.我们越来越难以在公共领域进行有意义的互动。
54And why is that?为什么?
55I think you know it as well.我想你也知道这一点。
56It's because of our phones.是因为我们的电话
57I challenge each and every one of you to take a look around you after this debate.辩论结束后,我向你们每个人提出挑战,请你们环顾四周。
58Whether you're on the bus, go to the bar, whether you go to a restaurant, look around you and just observe.不管你在巴士上,去酒吧, 无论你去餐馆,看看你周围,只是观察。
59You will see a bunch of zombies glued to phones, sucking the soul out of their bodies.你会看到一群僵尸粘在电话上 把灵魂吸出来
60诸如Rosh Hashanah或Diwali等有害的宗教做法正好相反。
61They remind us how important it is to openly and actively celebrate life together.它们提醒我们,公开和积极地庆祝共同生活是多么重要。
62And yet, the honourable members of Proposition here today would rather have Noah leave her apples and honey at home,然而,尊敬的提案成员 今天在这里 宁愿让诺亚 留下她的苹果和蜂蜜在家里,
63only because her kind act was religiously motivated.只是因为她的善举是出于宗教动机
64And this brings me to my second point, because the problem is not so much with these independent acts.这让我想到我的第二点,因为问题并不在于这些独立的行为。
65It's with the fact that these independent acts are part of a larger religious framework.这是因为这些独立的行为是更大的宗教框架的一部分.
66Peaceful religious symbols and festivals are guilty by association.和平的宗教象征和节日通过结社而有罪。
67Wearing a cross in public life may in itself not directly inflict any harm on others,在公共生活中佩戴十字架本身不会直接对他人造成任何伤害,
68but it promotes religion or Christianity as a whole.但它促进宗教或整个基督教。
69Now this is nonsense, because as with any brawl doctrine, it makes no sense to speak of Christianity as a whole.现在这是胡说八道,因为像任何争吵的学说一样,说整个基督教是没有道理的.
70There are countless different interpretations of the Bible, and different Christians hold different sets of belief.对圣经有无数不同的解释,不同的基督徒持有不同的信仰.
71The sheer semantic categorisation on the one name should not lead to stigmatisation of individual religious acts.单一名称上的纯粹语义分类不应导致对个别宗教行为的污名化。
72Imagine if we would extend this logic to other cases.想象一下,如果我们把这一逻辑扩大到其他情况。
73Forty years ago, John Lennon was murdered by a lunatic who said he was inspired by a catcher in the rye.四十年前,约翰·列侬被一个疯子谋杀,他说他受到黑麦的捕手的启发.
74Should we ban that book from public space as well, just because some people have used it for wrong intentions?我们是否也应该禁止这本书进入公共空间,仅仅因为有些人把这本书用于错误的用意?
75Of course not.当然不是。
76Speaking about books, last night I was reading one.说到书,昨晚我在读一本
77I'm at Merton College, and famously we like to sleep with books rather than people.我在默顿学院, 著名的是,我们喜欢睡觉 书籍而不是人。
78Anyway, in this book that I was reading was a speech by Adlai Stevenson.总之,我在读的这本书 是阿德莱·史蒂文森的演讲
79The year was 1952, and he said,1952年 他说
80The tragedy of our life today is a climate of fear in which we live, and fear breeds repression.我们今天生活中的悲剧是我们生活在其中的恐惧气氛,恐惧滋生了压迫。
81Too often are sinister threats to the built rights, to freedom of the mind, concealed under the cloak of anti-communism.往往对已建立的权利、思想自由、隐藏在反共的幌子下的邪恶威胁。
82Today, it is the cloak of anti-terrorism.今天,这是反恐的幌子。
83People use and abuse this cloak to spread suppression, intolerance and hatred.人们利用和滥用这种斗篷传播镇压、不容忍和仇恨。
84And the hypocrisy about that would be laughable if only it wasn't so destructive to people like Rodney.如果这对罗德尼这样的人来说不是那么有破坏力的话 虚伪是可笑的
85And we must not compromise, we must never compromise on our basic rights because of the small minority of aggressive fools.我们决不能妥协,我们决不能因为少数侵略性傻瓜而在我们的基本权利上妥协。
86And that small minority of aggressive fools brings me to my last point.少数有侵略性的蠢货让我回到了最后一点。
87Because eliminating religion from public life does not only undermine the value of harmless religious practices,由于在公共生活中消除宗教不仅损害无害的宗教做法的价值,
88it also exacerbates the problems we face with religion today.这也加剧了我们今天在宗教方面面临的问题。
89The problems that were actually raised by opposition, the proposition today.反对派实际提出的问题,今天的提议。
90Why do you think that people join ISIS?为什么你认为人们会加入伊斯兰国?
91One of the key reasons is frustration towards the West.关键原因之一是对西方的挫折感。
92Now marginalising minority groups is the quickest and easiest way of pushing people like that deeper or quicker into terrorism.现在将少数群体边缘化是将这种人推向更深或更快的恐怖主义的最迅速和最容易的方法。
93Because a thirst for revenge is never born in a vacuum.因为对复仇的渴求永远不会在真空中诞生.
94Revenge is necessarily responsive, it is fuelled by anger and dissatisfaction with the system.报复必然是反应迅速的,它因对制度的愤怒和不满而火上浇油。
95And denying people their peaceful, harmless rituals in public life will not mitigate their anger, it will exacerbate it.剥夺人民在公共生活中的和平、无害的仪式不会减轻他们的愤怒,只会加剧他们的愤怒。
96And what about freedom of education?教育自由呢?
97This motion entails that we cut religion out of the conversation.这个动议要求我们断绝宗教对话。
98Now tell me, how are kids going to scrutinise their parents' religious ideas or provide them with context if they cannot study them critically in schools?现在告诉我,如果孩子们不能在学校中认真研究他们的宗教思想,他们将如何仔细研究他们的宗教思想或为他们提供背景?
99This allows fundamentalists to preserve the purity of their faith among their children.这使原教旨主义者得以在子女中保持其信仰的纯洁.
100And our democracy crucially depends on informed citizenship, also when it comes to religion, especially when it comes to religion.我们的民主在极大程度上依赖于知情的公民,在宗教方面也是如此,特别是在宗教方面。
101Now see, my father died two years ago, and I'm very sad that he's not here today.你看,我父亲两年前死了, 我很难过他今天不在这里。
102But when he was on his deathbed, he said to me, he must always use your rights and talents to stand up for people more vulnerable than you are.但当他临死前,他对我说,他必须始终利用你的权利和才能,为比你更脆弱的人挺身而出.
103Today, all I'm doing is urging all of you to do the same.今天,我所做的就是敦促你们所有人也这样做。
104This institution can send a signal into the world that we do not stand by hate crimes.这个机构可以向世界发出一个信号,即我们不支持仇恨犯罪。
105We do not give in to it.我们不屈服于它。
106And I urge you to walk out of this chamber in a minute or two and vote no.我敦促你一两分钟后走出这个会议厅,投反对票。
107We do not stand by while the rights of our religious brothers and sisters are violated.在我们的宗教兄弟姐妹的权利受到侵犯时,我们不袖手旁观。
108It is simply not good enough.这根本不够好。
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0:09Thank Mike for his speech, and now I look to Simone van Toten, standing committee, Merton College, to close the case for the opposition.感谢迈克的演讲,现在我期待西蒙娜·范·托滕,默顿学院的常务委员会,为反对派结案.
0:26One year ago, Ravneet Singh was queuing outside of parliament.一年前,拉夫尼特·辛格在议会之外排队。
0:33He wanted to meet one of the MPs.他想见一位议员。
0:36A man came up to him, shouted in his face, and tried to grab his turban.一名男子上前,朝他脸上大喊大叫,想抢他的头巾.
0:44Last August, a group of Turks attacked two young Muslim girls in the streets of Dublin.去年8月,一群土耳其人在都柏林街头袭击了两名年轻的穆斯林女孩。
0:52They snatched off their hijabs, they pelted them with eggs, and they kicked them while they were on the ground.他们抢走头巾,用鸡蛋砸他们,在地上踢他们。
1:00As recently as two months ago, an Orthodox Jewish man in Brooklyn, New York, was bashed with a chair and assaulted by a group of criminals.最近两个月前,纽约布鲁克林一名东正教犹太教徒被一群罪犯用椅子殴打。
1:13Now, what's the common denominator here?这里有什么共同点?
1:16There are three, actually.其实有三个
1:19All the victims were harmless citizens.所有受害者都是无害的公民。
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1Thank Mike for his speech, and now I look to Simone van Toten, standing committee, Merton College, to close the case for the opposition.感谢迈克的演讲,现在我期待西蒙娜·范·托滕,默顿学院的常务委员会,为反对派结案.
2One year ago, Ravneet Singh was queuing outside of parliament.一年前,拉夫尼特·辛格在议会之外排队。
3He wanted to meet one of the MPs.他想见一位议员。
4A man came up to him, shouted in his face, and tried to grab his turban.一名男子上前,朝他脸上大喊大叫,想抢他的头巾.
5Last August, a group of Turks attacked two young Muslim girls in the streets of Dublin.去年8月,一群土耳其人在都柏林街头袭击了两名年轻的穆斯林女孩。
6They snatched off their hijabs, they pelted them with eggs, and they kicked them while they were on the ground.他们抢走头巾,用鸡蛋砸他们,在地上踢他们。
7As recently as two months ago, an Orthodox Jewish man in Brooklyn, New York, was bashed with a chair and assaulted by a group of criminals.最近两个月前,纽约布鲁克林一名东正教犹太教徒被一群罪犯用椅子殴打。
8Now, what's the common denominator here?这里有什么共同点?
9There are three, actually.其实有三个
10All the victims were harmless citizens.所有受害者都是无害的公民。
11All of these victims were peacefully practicing their religion in public life.所有这些受害者都在公共生活中和平地信奉自己的宗教。
12And all of these victims had their most basic rights viciously violated.所有这些受害者的最基本权利都遭到恶意侵犯。
13I'm standing here in front of you today, as a non-religious person myself, to defend these basic rights.我今天站在你们面前 作为一个非宗教的人 来捍卫这些基本权利
14But before doing so, I'd like to once more clarify this motion.但在此之前,我想再次澄清这个动议.
15The proposition, and even some of the speakers on the floor, would like you to think that this is about government taking side on religious issues.这个提议,甚至一些发言者,都希望你认为这是关于政府在宗教问题上站在一边。
16That this is about states sponsoring evil ideas.这是关于支持邪恶思想的国家。
17That this is about oppressing homosexuals, or feminists, or women in general.这是关于压迫同性恋者、女权主义者或一般妇女。
18They'd like you to think that it's only about religious people forcing their religion down atheist throats.他们希望你只考虑宗教人士 强迫他们信仰无神论者
19And you know what?你知道吗?
20I would be fine with banning all of that from public life.我完全可以禁止这一切 进入公共生活。
21I'd be totally fine with that.我完全可以这样做。
22But this motion goes way, way beyond this.但这个运动会很顺利 远远超出这个范围
23This motion tells us that religion has no place at all in public life.这一动议告诉我们,宗教在公共生活中没有任何地位。
24It tells us that in our schools we can't have any religious dialogue.它告诉我们,在我们学校,我们不能进行任何宗教对话。
25It tells us that in our public libraries we cannot have any religious texts.它告诉我们,在我们的公共图书馆里,我们没有任何宗教文本。
26It tells us that on our streets there is no room for religious prayer and no room for peaceful religious festivals.它告诉我们,我们的街道上没有宗教祈祷的地方,也没有和平的宗教节日。
27There is no room for religious symbols such as the turban that Ravneet was wearing outside of parliament.拉夫内特在议会外佩戴的头巾等宗教标志没有空间.
28And it falls upon our side of the house to show you today that public life should and must at least allow some place for religion.今天我们有责任向你们展示 公共生活应该而且至少必须允许宗教存在
29That is what this debate is about.这就是本次辩论的目的。
30And I think that my case can be summed up by three simple points.我认为,我的情况可以概括为三点。
31First of all, some public expressions of religion are valuable for society and do not inflict any harm upon our citizens.首先,某些公开的宗教表达对社会是有价值的,不会对我们的公民造成任何伤害。
32Secondly, these expressions do not promote or condone any of the problems raised by the proposition today.第二,这些表达方式不会助长或容忍今天提案引起的任何问题。
33They do not condone oppression.他们不会容忍压迫。
34They do not condone religious extremism.他们不宽恕宗教极端主义。
35And lastly, pushing religion into the private sphere will actually worsen the oppression and the problems raised by proposition today.最后,将宗教推向私人领域实际上会加剧今天命题引起的压迫和问题。
36So, let's start.所以,让我们开始。
37Why are some public expressions of religion valuable in society?为什么宗教的一些公开表达在社会上有价值?
38It's very simple.很简单
39They are valuable to many members of society.它们对许多社会成员来说是宝贵的。
40For many people, religion is an anchor of identity.对许多人来说,宗教是身份的支柱。
41Expressing and celebrating it in public life brings religious people deep satisfaction because it allows them to take pride in their culture.在公共生活中表达和庆祝它,使宗教人士感到非常满意,因为这使他们能够为自己的文化感到自豪。
42It gives them a sense of belonging because it shows to them that their fellow citizens can accept them for who they are in the public space.它赋予他们一种归属感,因为它向她们表明,她们的公民同胞能够接受他们在公共空间中的身份。
43Diwali, for instance, celebrates the spiritual victory of light over darkness, of good over evil, and of knowledge over ignorance.例如,迪瓦利庆祝光明战胜黑暗、善战胜恶、知识战胜无知的精神胜利。
44It gives Hindu men and women the opportunity to express beliefs that they feel are at the core of their very identity and do not inflict any harm on anyone.它使印度教男女有机会表达他们认为是其身份核心的信念,不会对任何人造成任何伤害。
45And yet, the honorable speakers of proposition side today want us to turn to our Hindu brothers and sisters and say there is no place for Diwali in public life.然而,今天在提案一方的尊敬的发言者希望我们转向我们的印度教兄弟姐妹,说迪瓦利在公共生活中没有位置。
46This stance simply fails to respectfully recognize Hindu culture.这一立场完全不承认印度教文化。
47Has anyone here read Animal Farm?有人读过动物农场吗?
48Proposition here is telling us that we are all free and equal citizens, but the atheists among us are just a bit more free and equal than others.这里的提议告诉我们,我们都是自由和平等的公民,但我们中间的无神论者只是比其他人更自由,更平等.
49Aside from identity, festivals like Diwali add a sense of meaning to our public interaction.除了身份之外,像迪瓦利这样的节日也增加了我们公众互动的意义感.
50They encourage people to do good, even in its smallest and simplest forms.它们鼓励人们做好事,即使是最小和最简单的形式。
51So in my primary school, once a year, a Jewish girl, Noah, would treat everyone to slices of apple and honey for Rosh Hashanah.所以在我的小学里,每年有一次, 一个犹太女孩,诺亚,会给每个人 一块苹果和蜂蜜,给罗什·哈沙纳。
52It was a very small gesture, a simple act of kindness, but small gestures in public life are more important than ever today.这是一个很小的姿态, 一个简单的善意的行为, 但是在公共生活中小的姿态比今天更加重要。
53Day by day, it is becoming increasingly difficult for us to meaningfully interact with each other in the public sphere.我们越来越难以在公共领域进行有意义的互动。
54And why is that?为什么?
55I think you know it as well.我想你也知道这一点。
56It's because of our phones.是因为我们的电话
57I challenge each and every one of you to take a look around you after this debate.辩论结束后,我向你们每个人提出挑战,请你们环顾四周。
58Whether you're on the bus, go to the bar, whether you go to a restaurant, look around you and just observe.不管你在巴士上,去酒吧, 无论你去餐馆,看看你周围,只是观察。
59You will see a bunch of zombies glued to phones, sucking the soul out of their bodies.你会看到一群僵尸粘在电话上 把灵魂吸出来
60诸如Rosh Hashanah或Diwali等有害的宗教做法正好相反。
61They remind us how important it is to openly and actively celebrate life together.它们提醒我们,公开和积极地庆祝共同生活是多么重要。
62And yet, the honourable members of Proposition here today would rather have Noah leave her apples and honey at home,然而,尊敬的提案成员 今天在这里 宁愿让诺亚 留下她的苹果和蜂蜜在家里,
63only because her kind act was religiously motivated.只是因为她的善举是出于宗教动机
64And this brings me to my second point, because the problem is not so much with these independent acts.这让我想到我的第二点,因为问题并不在于这些独立的行为。
65It's with the fact that these independent acts are part of a larger religious framework.这是因为这些独立的行为是更大的宗教框架的一部分.
66Peaceful religious symbols and festivals are guilty by association.和平的宗教象征和节日通过结社而有罪。
67Wearing a cross in public life may in itself not directly inflict any harm on others,在公共生活中佩戴十字架本身不会直接对他人造成任何伤害,
68but it promotes religion or Christianity as a whole.但它促进宗教或整个基督教。
69Now this is nonsense, because as with any brawl doctrine, it makes no sense to speak of Christianity as a whole.现在这是胡说八道,因为像任何争吵的学说一样,说整个基督教是没有道理的.
70There are countless different interpretations of the Bible, and different Christians hold different sets of belief.对圣经有无数不同的解释,不同的基督徒持有不同的信仰.
71The sheer semantic categorisation on the one name should not lead to stigmatisation of individual religious acts.单一名称上的纯粹语义分类不应导致对个别宗教行为的污名化。
72Imagine if we would extend this logic to other cases.想象一下,如果我们把这一逻辑扩大到其他情况。
73Forty years ago, John Lennon was murdered by a lunatic who said he was inspired by a catcher in the rye.四十年前,约翰·列侬被一个疯子谋杀,他说他受到黑麦的捕手的启发.
74Should we ban that book from public space as well, just because some people have used it for wrong intentions?我们是否也应该禁止这本书进入公共空间,仅仅因为有些人把这本书用于错误的用意?
75Of course not.当然不是。
76Speaking about books, last night I was reading one.说到书,昨晚我在读一本
77I'm at Merton College, and famously we like to sleep with books rather than people.我在默顿学院, 著名的是,我们喜欢睡觉 书籍而不是人。
78Anyway, in this book that I was reading was a speech by Adlai Stevenson.总之,我在读的这本书 是阿德莱·史蒂文森的演讲
79The year was 1952, and he said,1952年 他说
80The tragedy of our life today is a climate of fear in which we live, and fear breeds repression.我们今天生活中的悲剧是我们生活在其中的恐惧气氛,恐惧滋生了压迫。
81Too often are sinister threats to the built rights, to freedom of the mind, concealed under the cloak of anti-communism.往往对已建立的权利、思想自由、隐藏在反共的幌子下的邪恶威胁。
82Today, it is the cloak of anti-terrorism.今天,这是反恐的幌子。
83People use and abuse this cloak to spread suppression, intolerance and hatred.人们利用和滥用这种斗篷传播镇压、不容忍和仇恨。
84And the hypocrisy about that would be laughable if only it wasn't so destructive to people like Rodney.如果这对罗德尼这样的人来说不是那么有破坏力的话 虚伪是可笑的
85And we must not compromise, we must never compromise on our basic rights because of the small minority of aggressive fools.我们决不能妥协,我们决不能因为少数侵略性傻瓜而在我们的基本权利上妥协。
86And that small minority of aggressive fools brings me to my last point.少数有侵略性的蠢货让我回到了最后一点。
87Because eliminating religion from public life does not only undermine the value of harmless religious practices,由于在公共生活中消除宗教不仅损害无害的宗教做法的价值,
88it also exacerbates the problems we face with religion today.这也加剧了我们今天在宗教方面面临的问题。
89The problems that were actually raised by opposition, the proposition today.反对派实际提出的问题,今天的提议。
90Why do you think that people join ISIS?为什么你认为人们会加入伊斯兰国?
91One of the key reasons is frustration towards the West.关键原因之一是对西方的挫折感。
92Now marginalising minority groups is the quickest and easiest way of pushing people like that deeper or quicker into terrorism.现在将少数群体边缘化是将这种人推向更深或更快的恐怖主义的最迅速和最容易的方法。
93Because a thirst for revenge is never born in a vacuum.因为对复仇的渴求永远不会在真空中诞生.
94Revenge is necessarily responsive, it is fuelled by anger and dissatisfaction with the system.报复必然是反应迅速的,它因对制度的愤怒和不满而火上浇油。
95And denying people their peaceful, harmless rituals in public life will not mitigate their anger, it will exacerbate it.剥夺人民在公共生活中的和平、无害的仪式不会减轻他们的愤怒,只会加剧他们的愤怒。
96And what about freedom of education?教育自由呢?
97This motion entails that we cut religion out of the conversation.这个动议要求我们断绝宗教对话。
98Now tell me, how are kids going to scrutinise their parents' religious ideas or provide them with context if they cannot study them critically in schools?现在告诉我,如果孩子们不能在学校中认真研究他们的宗教思想,他们将如何仔细研究他们的宗教思想或为他们提供背景?
99This allows fundamentalists to preserve the purity of their faith among their children.这使原教旨主义者得以在子女中保持其信仰的纯洁.
100And our democracy crucially depends on informed citizenship, also when it comes to religion, especially when it comes to religion.我们的民主在极大程度上依赖于知情的公民,在宗教方面也是如此,特别是在宗教方面。
101Now see, my father died two years ago, and I'm very sad that he's not here today.你看,我父亲两年前死了, 我很难过他今天不在这里。
102But when he was on his deathbed, he said to me, he must always use your rights and talents to stand up for people more vulnerable than you are.但当他临死前,他对我说,他必须始终利用你的权利和才能,为比你更脆弱的人挺身而出.
103Today, all I'm doing is urging all of you to do the same.今天,我所做的就是敦促你们所有人也这样做。
104This institution can send a signal into the world that we do not stand by hate crimes.这个机构可以向世界发出一个信号,即我们不支持仇恨犯罪。
105We do not give in to it.我们不屈服于它。
106And I urge you to walk out of this chamber in a minute or two and vote no.我敦促你一两分钟后走出这个会议厅,投反对票。
107We do not stand by while the rights of our religious brothers and sisters are violated.在我们的宗教兄弟姐妹的权利受到侵犯时,我们不袖手旁观。
108It is simply not good enough.这根本不够好。
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