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周受资和TikTok

周受资和TikTok

周受资和TikTok

发布于 2026-09-07 · 时长 39:19

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0:00It's very nice to have you here.很高兴你能来
0:03Let's see, first of all, congratulations.让我们来看看,首先,祝贺。
0:05You really pulled off something remarkable on that grilling.你真的在烧烤上做了一些了不起的事。
0:08You achieved something that very few people do,你实现了很少人做的事
0:10which was you pulled off a bipartisan consensus in US politics.你在美国政治中达成了两党共识
0:15It was great.这是伟大的。
0:17You know.你知道吗?
0:18The bad news was that that consensus largely seemed to be,坏消息是,这种共识似乎在很大程度上是,
0:21我们必须禁止TikTok。
0:23So we're going to come to that in a bit.所以,我们将去 到这一点在一点点。
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1It's very nice to have you here.很高兴你能来
2Let's see, first of all, congratulations.让我们来看看,首先,祝贺。
3You really pulled off something remarkable on that grilling.你真的在烧烤上做了一些了不起的事。
4You achieved something that very few people do,你实现了很少人做的事
5which was you pulled off a bipartisan consensus in US politics.你在美国政治中达成了两党共识
6It was great.这是伟大的。
7You know.你知道吗?
8The bad news was that that consensus largely seemed to be,坏消息是,这种共识似乎在很大程度上是,
9我们必须禁止TikTok。
10So we're going to come to that in a bit.所以,我们将去 到这一点在一点点。
11I'm curious, but before we go there,我很好奇,但在我们去之前
12we need to know about you.我们要了解你
13You seem to me like a remarkable person.在我看来你是个了不起的人
14I want to know a bit of your story and how you came to TikTok in the first place.我想知道你的故事 以及你是如何来到TikTok的
15Okay, thank you, Chris.好的,谢谢你,克里斯
16Before we do that, can I just check, I need to know my audience.之前,我可以只是检查, 我需要了解我的观众。
17How many of you here use TikTok?这里有多少人使用TikTok?
18Oh, thank you.谢谢
19For those who don't, the Wi-Fi is free.对于不这样做的人,无线是免费的.
20There's another question, which is,还有另一个问题,那就是,
21how many of you here have had your lives touched through TikTok,你们中有多少人 被TikTok的人生感动了
22through your kids and other people in your lives?通过你的孩子和别人 在你的生活中?
23That's great to see.赞曰.
24It's basically, if you're alive,基本上,如果你还活着,
25you've had some kind of contact with TikTok at this point.这时候你和TikTok有某种接触
26So tell us about you.跟我们说说你
27So my name is Sho and I'm from Singapore.我叫Sho,我来自新加坡
28Roughly 10 years ago, I met with two engineers who were building a product.大约10年前,我会见了两位工程师 他们正在制造一个产品。
29And the idea behind this was to build a product幕后想法是打造一个产品
30that recommended content to people not based on who they knew.向那些不以自己认识的人推荐内容。
31Which was, if you think about it, 10 years ago,10年前,如果你考虑一下
32the social graph was all in the rage.社会图表都是愤怒的。
33And the idea was, your content and the feed that you saw想法是,你的内容和 你看到的饲料
34should be based on people that you knew.应该以你认识的人为基础
35About 10 years ago, these two engineers thought about something different,大约十年前 两位工程师想到了一些不同的事情
36which is, instead of showing you people you knew,而不是向你们展示你们认识的人
37why don't we show you content that you liked?我们为什么不告诉你你喜欢的东西?
38And that's sort of the genesis and the birth这就是起源和出生
39(原始内容存档于2018-09-21). Information of the early 迭代的TikTok.
40And about five years ago, with the advent of 4G,大约五年前 随着4G的出现
41short video, mobile phone penetration, TikTok was born.短视频,手机渗透,TikTok诞生.
42And a couple of years ago, I had the opportunity to run this company几年前 我有机会经营这家公司
43and it still excites me every single day.每天都让我兴奋
44So I want to dig in a little more into this,所以我想更深入一点
45about what was it that made this take-off so explosive?是什么使起飞如此爆炸?
46Because the language I hear from people who spent time on it,因为我听到的人 语言谁花了时间在它,
47I mean, it is a different level of addiction to other media out there.我的意思是,这是不同程度的上瘾 其他媒体在那里。
48And I don't necessarily mean this in a good way, we'll be coming on to it.我不一定是说好话的,我们会开始的
49There's good and bad things about this type of addiction.这种成瘾有好有坏.
50But it's the feeling that within a couple of days of experience of TikTok,但这种感觉是,在蒂克托克经历的几天内,
51it knows you and it surprises you with things它认识你,它让你吃惊
52that you didn't know you were going to be interested in, but you are.你不知道你会有兴趣, 但你是。
53How?怎么会?
54Is it really just, instead of the social graph,它真的只是, 而不是社会图表,
55what are these algorithms doing?这些算法在做什么?
56I think to describe this, to begin to answer your question,我想描述一下 开始回答你的问题
57we have to talk about the mission of the company.我们得谈谈公司的任务
58Now, the mission is to inspire creativity and to bring joy.现在,任务是激发创造力,带来欢乐.
59And I think, you know, missions for companies like ours is really important我认为,你知道,我们这样的公司的任务 是非常重要的
60because you have product managers working on a product every single day因为你有产品经理 每天在做一个产品
61and they need to have a north star, you know,他们需要一颗北星,你知道,
62something to sort of work towards together.一些可以合作的东西
63Now, based on this mission, our vision is to provide three things to our users.现在,基于这个任务,我们的设想是给我们的用户提供三件事.
64We want to provide a window to discover, and I'll talk about discovery.我们想提供一个发现窗口, 我会谈论发现。
65You talked about this in a second.你一会儿就说过了
66We want to give them a canvas to create,我们想给他们一个画布来创造,
67which is going to be really exciting with new technologies in AI在AI的新技术会非常刺激
68that's going to help people, you know, help people create new things.这将帮助人们, 你知道,帮助人们创造新的事物。
69And the final thing is bridges for people to connect.最后一点是人们可以连接的桥梁。
70So that's sort of the vision of what we're trying to build.这就是我们试图构建的愿景。
71Now, what really makes TikTok very unique and very different现在,是什么让TikTok非常独特,非常不同
72is the whole discovery engine behind us.是我们后面的整个发现引擎
73So there are earlier apps that I have a lot of respect for,所以,有一些早期的应用 我有很多尊重,
74but they were built for a different purpose.但他们是为不同的目的而建造的。
75You know, for example, in the era of search, you know,比如说,在搜寻的时代,你知道,
76there was an app that was built for people who wanted to search things有个应用软件是为想要搜索的东西的人设计的
77so that it's more easily found.这样它更容易找到。
78And then in the era of social graphs,然后在社会图表时代,
79it was about connecting people and their followers.而是联系人们和他们的追随者
80Now, what we have done is that we are, based on our machine learning algorithms,现在,我们所做的是,我们是基于我们的机器学习算法,
81we're showing people what they liked.我们在向人们展示他们喜欢的东西
82And what this means is that we have given the everyday person这意味着,我们给了每天的人
83a platform to be discovered.一个要发现的平台。
84If you have talent, it is very, very easy to get discovered on TikTok.如果你有天赋,在TikTok上很容易被发现。
85And I'll just give you one example of this.我仅举一个例子。
86The biggest creator on TikTok is a guy called Kabi.TikTok上最大的创造者是一个叫Kabi的人.
87Kabi was from Senegal.卡比是塞内加尔人。
88He lives in Italy.他住在意大利。
89He was a factory worker.他是一个工厂工人。
90He, you know, for the longest time didn't even speak in any of his videos.他,你知道,在最长的时间里, 甚至没有在他的任何视频说话。
91But what he did was he had talent.但他所做的是 他有天赋。
92他很有趣,他很聪明 He was funny.
93He had a good expression.他表现的很好
94He had creativity, so he kept posting.他有创造力,所以他一直张贴。
95And today he has 160 million followers on our platform.今天他在我们的平台上有1.6亿追随者。
96So every single day we hear stories like that.因此,我们每天都听到这样的故事。
97You know, businesses, people with talent.你知道,企业,有才华的人。
98And I think it's very freeing to have a platform where,我觉得有一个平台很自由
99as long as you have talent, you're going to be heard只要你有天赋,你就会被听到
100and you have the chance to succeed.你有机会成功
101And that's what we're providing to our users.这就是我们提供给我们的用户。
102So this is the amazing thing to me.这对我来说是一件令人惊奇的事。
103Like, most of us have grown up with, say, network television,喜欢,我们大多数人 长大了,例如,网络电视,
104where for decades you've had thousands of brilliant creative people在那里,你已经拥有了 成千上万的杰出的创造者
105toiling in the trenches trying to imagine在战壕里挣扎着想着
106stuff that would be amazing for an audience.这对观众来说是惊人的
107And none of them ever, remotely,没有一个是远程的
108came up with anything that looked like many of your creators.想到了一切 看起来像许多你的创造者。
109So these algorithms, just by observing people's behaviour所以这些算法,只是通过观察人们的行为
110and what they look like,和他们的样子,
111have discovered things that thousands of brilliant humans never discovered.发现了成千上万人类从未发现过的东西
112Tell me some of the things that it is looking at.告诉我它正在看的东西。
113So obvious things like if someone presses like or stays on a video for a long time,很明显,如果有人按 喜欢或停留在视频上很长时间,
114that gives you a clue more like that.这给你一个更像这样的线索。
115But is it subject matter?但这是主题吗?
116What are the array of things that you have noticed你注意到的这些事情是什么
117that you can actually track that provide useful clues?找到有用的线索吗?
118I'm going to simplify this a lot,我会把事情简化很多
119but the recommendation algorithm is really just math.但推荐算法其实只是数学
120So, for example, if you like videos one, two, three and four,例如,如果你喜欢第一,二,三和四段视频,
121and I like videos one, two, three and five,我喜欢一、二、三和五的视频
122maybe he liked videos one, two, three and six,也许他喜欢第一、二、三和六段视频
123then what's going to happen is, because we like one, two, three at the same time,然后会发生什么,因为我们喜欢 一,二,三同时,
124he's going to be shown four, five, six, and so are we.他将会被展示四,五,六,我们也是。
125And you can think about this repeated at scale in real time你可以考虑这个 规模在实时重复
126across more than a billion people.超过十亿人
127That's basically what it is, is math.这基本上是数学
128And, of course, you know,当然,你知道,
129AI and machine learning has allowed this to be done at a very, very big scale.人工智能和机器学习使这项工作得以在非常非常大的规模上进行。
130And what we have seen, the result of this,而我们所看到的, 的结果,
131is that it learns the interest signals that people exhibit very quickly是它知道人们迅速表现出的兴趣信号
132and shows you content that's really relevant for you并显示与你真正相关的内容
133in a very quick way.在一个非常快速的方式。
134So, it's a form of collaborative filtering, from what you're saying.所以,这是一种协作过滤的形式, 从你所说的。
135The theory behind it is that these humans are weird people,背后的理论是 这些人类是奇怪的人,
136we don't really know what they're interested in,我们不知道他们感兴趣的是什么
137but if we see that one human is interested with an overlap of someone else,但是如果我们看到一个人对别人的重叠感兴趣
138chances are, you know, you can make use of the other pieces机会是,你知道, 你可以利用其他的作品
139that are in that overlapped human's repertoire to feed them,与人类的轮回相重叠 供养他们
140and they'll be surprised.他们会惊讶的。
141But the reason they like it is because their pal also liked it.但他们喜欢的原因是 他们的朋友也喜欢它。
142It's pattern recognition based on your interest signals.根据你的兴趣信号来识别模式
143And I think the other thing here is that we don't actually ask you我觉得还有一件事 我们其实不问你
14420 questions on whether you like a piece of content,关于你是否喜欢内容的20个问题
145you know, what are your interests, we don't do that.你知道,什么是你的兴趣, 我们不这样做。
146We build that experience organically into the app experience.我们把这种经验有机地融入应用经验中。
147So, you are voting with your thumbs.所以你是用拇指来投票的
148You know, by watching a video, you know, by swiping it,你知道,通过观看一个视频, 通过擦拭它,
149by liking it, by sharing it,喜欢它,分享它,
150you are basically exhibiting interest signals.你基本上在显示兴趣信号。
151And what it does mathematically is to take those signals,数学上它要做的是接收这些信号,
152put it in a formula, and then matches it through pattern recognition.放在公式中,然后通过模式识别来匹配.
153That's basically the idea behind it.这基本上是它背后的想法。
154I mean, lots of start-ups have tried to use these types of techniques.我的意思是,许多初创企业 尝试使用这些类型的技术。
155I'm wondering what else played a role early on.我想知道还有什么 早期扮演的角色。
156I mean, how big a deal was it that from the get-go,我的意思是,这有多重要 从开始,
157you were optimising for smartphones,你对智能手机很乐观
158so that videos were shot in portrait format and they were short?视频以肖像形式拍摄 并且短小?
159Was that an early distinguishing thing that mattered?那是很早期的区别吗?
160I think we were the first to really try this at scale.我想我们是第一个 真正尝试这个规模。
161You know, the recommendation algorithm is a very important reason你知道,推荐算法是一个非常重要的原因
162as to why the platform is so popular among so many people.为何平台在这么多人中如此流行.
163But beyond that, you know, you mentioned the format itself.但除此之外,你提到了格式本身。
164So, we talked about the vision of the company,所以,我们谈论了公司的愿景,
165which is to have a window to discover.也就是有一个窗口来发现。
166And if you sort of just open it up for the first time,如果你第一次打开它
167you'll see that it takes up your whole screen.你会看到它占据了整个屏幕。
168So, that's the window that we want.这就是我们想要的窗口。
169You can imagine a lot of people using that window你可以想象很多人用那扇窗户
170to discover new things in their lives.发现他们生活中的新事物
171Then, you know, through this recommendation algorithm,然后,你知道,通过这个推荐算法,
172we have found that it connects people together.我们发现它把人联系起来
173People find communities.人们发现社区。
174And I've heard so many stories of people who have found their communities我听过很多关于人们建立社区的故事
175because of the content that they're posting.因为他们发布的内容。
176Now, I'll give you an example.现在,我举个例子
177I was in D.C. recently and I met with a bunch of creators.我最近去了华盛顿 认识了一群创作者
178I heard.我听说了
179And so, one of them was sitting next to me at a dinner.于是,其中一人坐在我旁边吃晚饭.
180His name is Samuel.他的名字是塞缪尔。
181He runs a restaurant in Phoenix, Arizona.他在亚利桑那州凤凰城经营一家餐馆.
182And it's a taco restaurant.这是一家墨西哥卷饼餐厅
183He told me he's never done this before.他告诉我他从来没有这样做过。
184First, you know, venture.首先,你知道,冒险。
185He started posting all this content on TikTok.他开始在TikTok上发布所有这些内容.
186And, you know, I saw his content.而且,你知道,我看到了他的内容。
187It looks...看起来...
188I was hungry after looking at it.看完就饿了
189It's just great, you know, content.它只是伟大的,你知道,满足。
190And he's generated so much interest in his business他的生意引起了这么多的兴趣
191that last year he made something like a million dollars in revenue去年他赚了差不多一百万的收入
192just via TikTok, one restaurant.只是通过TikTok, 一个餐厅。
193And again and again, I hear these stories.我一次又一次地听到这些故事。
194You know, by connecting people together,你知道,通过连接 人在一起,
195by giving people the window to discover,通过给人们一个发现窗口,
196we have given many small businesses and many people,我们给了许多小生意和许多人,
197your common person, a voice that they will never otherwise have.你的普通人,一个他们不会有的声音
198And I think that's the power of the platform.我认为这就是平台的力量。
199So you definitely have identified early所以,你肯定已经识别 早期
200just how, you know, we're social creatures, we need affirmation.只是,你知道,我们是社会生物, 我们需要确认。
201I've heard a story, and you can tell me whether true or not,我听说过一个故事, 你可以告诉我是否是真的,
202that one of the keys to your early liftoff那是你提前起飞的钥匙之一
203was that you wanted to persuade creators who were trying out TikTok你想说服那些 尝试TikTok的创造者
204that this was a platform where, you know, they would get response.这个平台,你知道, 他们会得到回应。
205Early on, when you're trying to grow something,早些时候 当你想种点东西的时候
206the numbers aren't there for response.数字没有反应
207So you had the brilliant idea of goosing those numbers a bit,所以,你有一个聪明的主意, 调用这些数字一点点,
208basically finding ways to give people, you know,基本上找到方法 给人们,你知道,
209a bigger sense of, like, more likes, more engagement一种更大的感觉,喜欢,喜欢,更多的参与
210than was actually the case by using AI agents somehow in the process.而不是在过程中使用人工智能特工
211Is that a brilliant idea or is that just a myth?那是个好主意还是个神话?
212I would describe it in a different way.我会用另一种方式描述它。
213So there are other platforms that exist, you know, before TikTok.在TikTok之前还有其他平台存在。
214And if you think about those platforms,如果你想到这些平台,
215you sort of have to be famous already in order to get followers.为了获得追随者,你必须出名
216Because the way it's built is that people come and follow people.因为它的建造方式是人们来跟随人们.
217And if you aren't already famous,如果你还没有出名
218the chances that you get discovered are very, very low.你被发现的几率很低
219Now, what we have done, again,现在,我们所做的,再次,
220because of the difference in the way we're recommending content,因为我们推荐内容的方式不同
221is that we've given anyone, any single person with enough talent,是,我们已经给了任何人, 任何单身的人 有足够的天赋,
222a stage to be able to be discovered.一个能够被发现的舞台
223And I think that actually is the single,我认为这其实是单身,
224probably the most important thing, contributing to the growth of the platform.也许是最重要的, 有助于平台的增长。
225And again and again, you will hear stories from people who use the platform,一遍又一遍,你会听到人们的故事 谁使用平台,
226who post regularly on it,他经常在大地上发布,
227that if they have something they want to say,如果他们有话要说,
228the platform gives them the chance and the stage to connect with the audience平台给他们机会 和舞台 连接观众
229in a way that I think no other product in the past has ever offered them.我认为过去没有其他产品提供它们。
230So I'm just trying to play back what you said there.所以,我只是想 播放你说的话。
231You said you were describing in a different way what I said.你说你用不同的方式描述我说的话
232Is it then the case that to give someone a decent chance,给别人一个好的机会 会不会是那样
233someone who's brilliant but doesn't come with any followers initially,一个聪明但最初不跟任何追随者来的人
234that you've got some technique to identify talent你有一些技术来识别人才
235and that you will almost encourage them,你几乎要鼓励他们,
236you will give them some kind of artificially increased你会给他们某种人工增加
237the number of followers or likes or whatever that they have,追随者或喜欢者的人数,
238so that others are encouraged to go,以便别人去,
239wow, there's something there and so forth.哇,那里有东西等等。
240It's this idea of critical mass that every entrepreneur,这是临界质量的想法 每个企业家,
241every party planner knows about.每个派对策划者都知道
242This is the hot place in town, everyone come,这里是城里最热的地方 大家都来
243and that is how you actually gain critical mass?这就是你如何获得临界质量?
244We want to make sure that every person who posts a video我们想确保每个发布视频的人
245is given an equal chance to be able to have some audience to begin with.获得平等的机会,可以让一些观众开始。
246But this idea that you are maybe alluding to,但这个想法,你可能 喜欢,
247that we can get people to like something,我们可以让人们喜欢的东西,
248it doesn't really work like that.它不真正工作 这样。
249Could you get AI agents to like something?你能叫人工智能探员喜欢什么吗?
250Could you seed the network with extra AI agents你能用额外的 AI 代理种子网络吗?
251that could give someone early encouragement?这会给人早期的鼓励?
252Ultimately, what the machine does is it recognises people's interests.归根结底,机器所做的就是承认人们的利益。
253If you post something that's not interesting to a lot of people,如果你贴出对很多人不感兴趣的东西
254even if you gave it a lot of exposure,即使你给它很多曝光,
255you're not going to get the virality that you want.你不会得到你想要的病毒性。
256Whereas, there's no push here.不过这里没有推力
257It's not like you can go and push something,你又不是可以去推东西
258because I'm like Chris, I'm going to push your content,因为我就像克里斯, 我会推动你的内容,
259it doesn't work like that.不是那样的
260You've got to have a message that resonates with people,你必须有一个信息 与人们共鸣,
261and if it does, then it will automatically just have the virality itself.如果真有,它就会自动拥有病毒性
262That's the beauty of user-generated content.这就是用户生成的内容的美.
263It's not something that can be engineered or overthought.这不是什么可以被设计或过度思考的东西.
264It really is something that has to resonate with the audience.这确实需要引起观众的共鸣。
265If it does, then it goes viral.如果有的话,它就会变成病毒
266Speaking privately with an investor who knows your company quite well,和一位非常了解你公司的投资者私下交谈
267who said that the level of sophistication of the algorithms you have going说算法的精密程度
268对Facebook或YouTube等竞争者来说,
269Is that just hype, or do you really believe you...那只是夸夸其谈 还是你真的相信你...
270How complex are these algorithms?这些算法有多复杂?
271I think in terms of complexity,我认为从复杂性来看,
272there are many companies with a lot of resources and a lot of talent.有许多公司资源丰富,人才众多.
273They will figure out even the most complex algorithms.他们会找出最复杂的算法
274I think what is very different is your mission of your company,我认为很不一样的是 你的任务 你的公司,
275how you started the company.你是怎样创办公司的
276Like I said, we started with this idea that this was the main use case.正如我所说,我们从这个想法开始,认为这是主要的用途。
277The most important use case is you come and you get to see recommended content.最重要的用途是,你来了,你可以看到推荐的内容。
278For some other apps out there, they are very significant and have a lot of users,对于其他的应用程序来说,它们非常重要 并且有很多用户
279they're built for a different original purpose.他们的建造目的不同
280If you're built for something different, then your users are used to that,如果你是为不同的东西而建, 那么你的用户习惯了这一点,
281because the community comes in and they expect that sort of experience.因为他们期待这种体验
282So I think the pivot away from that is not really just a matter of engineering and algorithms,因此,我认为离这不远的关键 不只是工程和算法的问题,
283it's a matter of what your company is built to begin with.关乎你公司最初的建设
284Which is why I started this by saying you need to have a vision, you need to have a mission.这就是为什么我一开始说 你需要有一个愿景, 你需要有一个任务。
285And that's the North Star.这是北极星。
286You can't just shift it halfway.你不能只是转移一半。
287Right.对
288And is it fair to say that because your start point has been interest algorithms可以说是因为你的起点是利息算法
289rather than social graph algorithms,而不是社会图表算法,
290you've been able to avoid some of the worst of the filter bubbles你已经可以避免一些 最糟糕的滤泡
291that have happened in other social media,发生在其他社交媒体上,
292where you have tribes declaring war on each other effectively.在那里,你们有部落对彼此宣战
293And so much of the noise and energy is around that.这么多的噪音和能量都围绕在那个周围。
294Do you believe that you've largely avoided that on TikTok?你相信在TikTok上你基本上避免了这个吗?
295The diversity of content that our users see is very key.我们的用户所看到的内容的多样性是非常关键的。
296In order for the discovery...为了发现...
297The mission is to discover.任务是发现。
298Sorry, the vision is to discover.对不起,视觉是去发现。
299So in order to facilitate that, it is very important to us因此,为了促进这一点,对我们非常重要
300that what the users see is the diversity of content.用户看到的是内容的多样性。
301Now, generally speaking, there are certain issues that you mentioned现在,总的来说,有些问题 你提到
302that the industry faces.行业面临。
303There are some bad actors who come on the internet, they post bad content.网路上有些坏角色,
304Now, our approach is that we have very clear community guidelines.现在,我们的方法是,我们有非常明确的社区指导方针。
305We're very transparent about what is allowed and what is not allowed on our platform.我们的平台上允许的和不允许的都非常透明.
306No executives make any ad hoc decisions.任何行政主管都不得作出任何临时决定。
307And based on that, we have built a team that is tens of thousands of people plus machines在此基础上,我们建立了一支 数万人加机器的队伍
308in order to identify content that is bad以识别不良内容
309and proactively remove it from the platform.并主动将其从平台上移除.
310Talk about what some of those key guidelines are.谈谈这些关键准则是什么。
311We have it published on our website.我们的网站已经公布
312In March, we just iterated a new version to make it more readable.3月,我们刚刚重写了一个新版本,使其更可读.
313So there are many things like, for example, no pornography,所以有很多事情 比如说,没有色情制品
314clearly no child sexual abuse material and other bad things, no violence, for example.显然没有儿童性虐待的材料和其他坏东西,没有暴力,例如。
315We also make it clear that it's a differentiated experience我们也清楚,这是不同的经历
316if you're below 18 years old.如果你不满18岁。
317So if you're below 18 years old, for example,所以,如果你不满18岁,例如,
318your entire app experience is actually more restricted.您的整个应用体验实际上更有限。
319We don't allow, as an example, users below 16, by default, to go viral.举例来说,我们不允许16岁以下的用户在默认情况下传播病毒。
320We don't allow that.我们不允许这样
321If you're below 16, we don't allow you to use the instant messaging feature in-app.如果你在16岁以下 我们不允许你使用即时通讯功能
322If you're below 18, we don't allow you to use the live streaming features.如果你低于18,我们不允许你使用实时流线功能.
323And of course, we give parents a whole set of tools当然,我们给父母一套工具
324to control their teenager's experience as well.来控制青少年的经历
325How do you know the age of your users?你怎么知道用户的年龄?
326In our industry, we rely mainly on something called age gating,在我们的行业里,我们主要依靠 一种叫"年华"的东西,
327which is when you sign up for the app for the first time and we ask you for the age.当你第一次报名申请应用程序时 我们要求你按年龄算
328Now, beyond that, we also have built tools现在,除此之外,我们还建立了工具
329to go through your public profile, for example, when you post a video.以浏览您的公众信息, 例如, 当您发布视频时。
330We try and match the age that you said with the video that you just posted.我们试着和你刚才张贴的视频 相匹配
331Now, there are questions of, can we do more?现在,有问题,我们能做更多吗?
332And that question is always, for every company, by the way, in our industry,这个问题总是, 对于每一个公司,顺便说一句, 在我们的行业,
333has to be balanced with privacy.需要平衡与隐私。
334Now, if, for example, we scan the faces of every single user,现在,如果,比如,我们扫描每个用户的脸,
335then we will significantly increase the ability to tell your age.这样我们就能大大提高 告诉你年龄的能力
336But we will also significantly increase the amount of data that we collect on you.但我们也会大大增加我们收集的关于你的数据数量。
337Now, we don't want to collect data,现在,我们不想收集数据,
338we don't want to scan data on your face to collect that.我们不想扫描你脸上的数据来收集
339So that balance has to be maintained.因此,必须保持这种平衡。
340And it's a challenge that we are working through together with,这也是我们共同应对的挑战
341you know, industry together with the regulators as well.工业也和监管者一起
342So, look, one thing that is unquestionable所以,看,一件事是毫无疑问的
343is that you have created a platform for literally millions of people你为数百万人创造了一个平台
344who never thought they were going to be a content creator.他们从未想过自己会成为一个内容创造者。
345You've given them an audience.你给了他们一个观众。
346I'd actually like to hear from you one other favourite example of someone我其实想听听你最喜欢的一个例子
347who TikTok has given an audience to that never had that before.蒂克托克给观众 之前从未有过的
348I think, you know, so again, you know, when I travel around the world,我想,你知道, 所以,再次,你知道, 当我环游世界,
349I meet a whole bunch of creators on our platform.我在我们的平台上遇到一帮创造者
350I was in South Korea just yesterday.昨天我在韩国
351And before that, you know, I met with...在那之前 我见过...
352Before that, I met with a bunch of...在那之前,我遇到了一群...
353People don't expect, for example, teachers.人们不期望,例如教师。
354There is an English teacher from Arkansas.有个来自阿肯色州的英语老师
355Her name is Claudine.她叫克劳丁
356And I met her in person.我当面遇见了她
357She uses our platform to reach out to students.她利用我们的平台联系学生
358You know, there is another teacher called Chemical Kim.还有一个叫金化的老师
359And Chemical Kim teaches chemistry.而化金则教授化学.
360What she does is she uses our platform她做的是利用我们的平台
361to reach out to a much broader student base than she has in her classroom.接触比她课堂上更广泛的学生
362And they're both very, very popular.他们都非常非常受欢迎。
363You know, in fact, what we have realised is that你知道,事实上,我们意识到
364STEM content has over 116 billion views on our platform globally.STEM内容在全球平台上拥有超过1,160亿的浏览量.
365And it's so significant.并且它是如此重要。
366In a year?一年内?
367Cumulatively.累积.
368160 billion.一千六百亿.
369It's so significant that in the US, we have started testing,在美国,我们开始测试
370creating a feed just for STEM content.为 STEM 内容创建种子。
371只为STEM内容.
372I've been using it for a while.我已经用了一段时间。
373And I learned something new.我学到了一些新东西
374You want to know what it is?你想知道是什么吗?
375Apparently, if you flip an egg, you know, on your tray,显然 如果你在托盘上翻蛋
376the egg will last longer.鸡蛋会持续更长。
377It's science.这是科学。
378There's a whole video on this.这上面有整个视频
379我从TikTok上学的
380You can search for this.你可以找这个
381You want to know something else about an egg?你想知道别的鸡蛋吗?
382If you put it in just one hand and squeeze it as hard as you can,如果你只用一只手 用力地挤压它
383it will never break.它永远不会断裂。
384Yes, I think I've read about that too.是的,我想我也读过
385It's not true.非实非实.
386I'm not sure.我不太确定 说不定
387We can find it.我们可以找到它。
388We can search for it.我们可以找找看
389It's not true.非实非实.
390But look, here's the flip side to all this amazingness.但是,你看,这里的反面 所有这些惊人的。
391And it's really, honestly, this is the key thing老实说,这是关键
392that I want to have an honest, hot talk conversation with you,我想和你好好谈谈
393because it's such an important issue.因为它是一个如此重要的问题。
394This question of human addiction.这个人类上瘾的问题。
395You know, we are animals with a prefrontal cortex.我们是有前额皮质的动物
396That's how I think of us.这就是我对我们的看法。
397We have these addictive instincts that go back millions of years.我们有这些上瘾的本能 可以追溯到数百万年前
398And we often are in the mode of trying to modulate our own behaviour.我们经常在试图改变我们自己的行为。
399It turns out that the internet is incredibly good原来网路好极了
400at activating our animal cells and getting them so damn excited.激活动物细胞,让他们兴奋起来
401And your company, the company you've built,还有你的公司,你建立的公司,
402is better at it than any other company on the planet, I think.我认为,它比地球上任何其他公司都好。
403So, what are the risks of this?那么,这有什么风险?
404I mean, from a company point of view, for example,我的意思是,从公司的角度来说,
405it's in your interest to have people on there as long as possible.尽可能让人在那里待多久对你有好处
406So, someone would say, as a first pass,所以,有人会说, 作为第一个通过,
407you want people to be addicted as long as possible.你希望人们 上瘾的时间尽可能长。
408That's how advertising money will flow and so forth.广告资金会是这样流动的,等等.
409And that's how your creators will be delighted.这就是你的创造者将如何高兴。
410What is too much?什么太过分了?
411I don't actually agree with that.我其实不赞同这一点。
412As a company, our goal is not to optimise and maximise time spent.作为一个公司,我们的目标不是优化和最大限度地利用所花费的时间。
413It is not.事实并非如此。
414In fact, in order to address people spending too much time on our platform,事实上,为了解决人们在平台上花太多时间的问题,
415we have done a number of things.我们做了一些事情。
416I was just speaking with some of your colleagues backstage.我刚跟你的后台同事谈过
417One of them, Tony, she has encountered this as well.其中之一,托尼, 她也遇到了这一点。
418If you spend too much time on our platform,如果你在我们的平台上花太多时间
419we will proactively send you videos to tell you to get off the platform.我们将主动发送视频 告诉你离开平台。
420We will.我们会的
421And depending on the time of the day, if it's late at night, it will come sooner.且视时节,若夜深时,更宜早来.
422We have also built in tools to limit, if you're below 18 years old,我们还建造了各种工具来限制 如果你不满18岁
423by default, we set a 60-minute default time limit.默认情况下,我们设定了60分钟的默认时限。
424How many?多少个?
42560 minutes.60分钟。
426And we've given parents tools, and yourself tools.我们给了父母工具 还有你自己的工具
427If you go to Settings, you can set your own time limit.如果您去设置, 您可以设定自己的时限 。
428We've given parents tools so that you can pair,我们给了父母工具 让你们可以配对
429for the parents who don't know this, go to Settings, Family Pairing.对于不知道这件事的父母, 去设置,家庭对等。
430You can pair your phone with your teenager's phone and set the time limit.你可以把手机和青少年手机配对,设定时限.
431And we really encourage parents to have these conversations with their teenagers我们真的鼓励父母 和他们的青少年谈话
432on what is the right amount of screen time.显示正确的屏幕时间。
433I think that's a healthy relationship that you should have with your screen.我认为你应该和你的屏幕保持健康的关系
434And as a business, we believe that that balance needs to be met.作为一个企业,我们认为需要达到这种平衡。
435So it's not true that we just want to maximise time spent.所以,我们只是想要尽量花时间,这不是真的。
436If you were advising parents here what time they should actually recommend如果你是建议家长们 什么时候应该建议
437to their teenagers, what do you think is the right setting?对于他们的青少年, 你觉得什么是正确的环境?
438Well, 60 minutes, we did not come up with it ourselves.60分钟后 我们没有自己想出办法
439So I went to the digital wellness lab at the Boston Children's Hospital,所以我去了波士顿儿童医院的数字健康实验室
440and we had this conversation with them.我们跟他们谈过了
441And 60 minutes was the recommendation that they gave to us,他们给我们的建议是60分钟
442which is why we built this into the app.这就是为什么我们把这个建在应用程序。
443Now, so 60 minutes, take it for what it is.现在,所以60分钟,拿它是什么。
444It's something that we've had some discussions with experts.这是我们和专家讨论过的事情.
445But I think for all parents here, it is very important但我觉得对这里的父母来说 这很重要
446to have these conversations with your teenage children跟你的十几岁孩子谈话
447and help them develop a healthy relationship with screens.并帮助他们与屏幕建立健康的关系。
448I think we live in an age where it's completely inevitable我觉得我们生活在一个完全不可避免的时代
449that we're going to interact with screens and digital content.我们将与屏幕和数字内容互动。
450But I think we should develop healthy habits early on in life.但我认为我们应该早点养成健康的习惯.
451And that's something I would encourage.这也是我鼓励的
452I'm curious to ask the audience of...我好奇地问观众...
453Which of you here have ever had that video on TikTok appear, saying,你们谁在TikTok上看过录像 说
454-"Come off"?- "下来"?
455-"Over there."- "那边"
456I mean, OK, so maybe a third of the audience我的意思是,OK,所以也许三分之一的观众
457seem to be active TikTok users, and about 20 people maybe似乎活跃的TikTok用户, 大约20人可能
458put their hands up there.把手举起来
459Are you sure that... Like, it feels to me like this is a great...你确定吗? 喜欢,它感觉我像 这是一个伟大的...
460This is a great thing to have, but are you...这是件很棒的事,但你...
461Isn't there always going to be a temptation in any given quarter or whatever某个小区或什么的 总会有诱惑的
462to just push it a bit at the boundary and just dial back a bit on that把它推到边界上 再往后拨一下
463so that you can hit revenue goals, etc., etc.这样你就可以击中收入目标等。
464?? 吗?
465Are you saying that this is used scrupulously?你是说这是严格使用的?
466I think, you know, in terms...我觉得,你知道的,从...
467Even if you think about it from a commercial point of view,即使你从商业角度考虑
468it is always best when your customers have a very healthy relationship当你的顾客有很健康的关系时 总是最好
469with your product.用你的产品。
470It's always best when it's healthy.健康时总是最好的.
471So, if you think about very short-term retention, maybe,所以,如果你考虑 非常短期的保留,也许,
472but I don't think... That's not the way we think about it.但我不认为... 这不是我们的想法。
473If you think about it from a longer-term perspective,如果你从长远的角度考虑
474what you really want to have is a healthy relationship.你真正想要的是一个健康的关系。
475You don't want people to develop very unhealthy habits你不想让人变得很不健康
476and then at some point, they're going to drop it.然后,在某些时候,他们会放弃它。
477I think everything in moderation.我认为一切都是温和的。
478There's a claim out there that in China,有说法说在中国
479there's a much more rigorous standards imposed on the amount of time对时间有更严格的标准
480that children, especially, can spend on the...特别是孩子们可以花在...
481That is, unfortunately, a very...不幸的是,这是非常...
482It's a misconception.这是一个误解。
483So, that experience that is being mentioned for Douyin,杜依因被提及的经历
484which is a different app, is for an under-14-year-old experience.是一个不同的应用, 是一个14岁以下的经验。
485Now, if you compare that in the United States,现在,如果你比较在美国,
486we have an under-13 experience in the US.我们在美国有不到13岁的经验。
487It's only available in the US.在美国才有
488It's not available here in Canada.它在加拿大没有。
489In Canada, we just don't allow it.在加拿大 我们不允许这样
490If you look at the under-13 experience in the US,如果你看看美国13岁以下的经验
491it's much more restricted than the under-14 experience in China.这比中国14岁以下的经验要严格得多.
492It's so restrictive that every single piece of content限制太大了,每个内容
493is vetted by our third-party child safety expert.由第三方儿童安全专家审查
494And we don't allow any under-13s in the US to publish.我们不允许美国任何低于13岁的人出版
495We don't allow them to post我们不允许他们发邮件
496and we don't allow them to use a lot of features.我们不允许他们使用很多特性。
497So, I think that report, I've seen that report too,我认为那份报告 我也看过那份报告
498it's not doing a fair comparison.它做一个公平的比较。
499What do you make of this issue?你怎么看这个问题?
500A lot of you, you've got these millions of content creators,你们中很多人 都有无数的创作者
501and all of them, in a sense, are in a race for attention.从某种意义上来说,他们都在争夺注意力。
502And that race can pull them in certain directions.那场比赛可以把他们引向某些方向。
503So, for example, teenage girls on TikTok,比如提克托克岛的少女
504sometimes people worry that to win attention,有时人们担心 要赢得关注,
505they've discovered that by being more sexual,他们发现,通过更多的性,
506that they can gain extra viewers.以便他们获得更多的观众。
507Is this a concern?这是担心吗?
508Is there anything you can do about this?你能做些什么吗?
509We address this in our community guidelines as well.我们在社区指导方针中也谈到这一点。
510If you look at the sexualized content on our guidelines,如果你看看我们准则上的性化内容
511if you're below a certain age,如果你还不到某个年龄
512for certain themes that are mature,对于某些成熟的主题,
513we actually remove that from your experience.实际上,我们从你的经验中删除了它。
514Again, I come back to this, we want to have a safe platform.我再说一遍,我们要有一个安全的平台。
515In fact, at my congressional hearing,事实上,在我的国会听证会上,
516I made four commitments to our users and to the politicians in the US.我对我们的使用者和美国的政客做出了四项承诺。
517And the first one is that we take safety,第一件事就是我们采取安全,
518especially for teenagers, extremely seriously,尤其对于青少年来说 极其严重
519and we will continue to prioritise that.我们将继续将这一点列为优先事项。
520I believe that we need to give our teenage users,我认为我们需要给我们的青少年使用者,
521and our users in general, a very safe experience.和我们的用户 一个非常安全的经验。
522Because if we don't do that,因为如果我们不这样做,
523the mission is to inspire creativity and to bring joy.使命是激发创造力 带来欢乐
524If they don't feel safe, I cannot fulfil my mission.如果他们不觉得安全 我就无法完成我的使命
525So it's all very organic to me as a business to make sure I do that.因此,这对我来说是一个非常有机的行业,以确保我这样做。
526But in the strange, interacting world of human psychology and so forth,但是在人类心理学的奇怪,互动的世界中,
527weird memes can take off.奇怪的迷因可以起飞。
528You had this outbreak a couple of years back of these devious licks你几年前就爆发了这种病了
529where kids were competing with each other to do vandalism in schools孩子们互相竞争 在学校做破坏行为
530and get lots of followers from it.并获得很多的追随者从它。
531How on earth do you battle something like that?你怎么打这样的仗?
532Dangerous challenges are not allowed on our platform.我们的平台上不允许出现危险的挑战。
533If you look at our guidelines, it's violative.如果你看我们的指南,这是违反的。
534We proactively invest resources to identify them我们主动投入资源找出他们
535and remove them from our platform.把他们从我们的平台上带走
536In fact, if you search for dangerous challenges on our platform today,事实上 如果你今天在我们的平台上寻找危险的挑战
537we will redirect you to a safety resource page.我们将重定向到安全资源页面。
538And we actually worked with some creators as well to come up with campaigns.实际上,我们与一些创造者合作, 提出运动。
539This is another campaign.这是另一场竞选。
540It's the Stop, Think, Decide Before You Act campaign,这是停止,思考, 在你行动前决定,
541where we work with the creators to produce videos to explain to people我们与创作者合作制作视频 向人们解释
542that some things are dangerous, please don't do it.有些事情是危险的,请不要这样做。
543And we post those videos actively on our platform as well.我们把这些视频发布在我们的平台上。
544That's cool.这很酷。
545And you've got lots of employees.你有很多员工
546I mean, how many employees do you have who are specifically looking at我的意思是,你有多少雇员 谁特别看
547these content moderation things?这些内容 温和的东西?
548Or is that the wrong question?还是问题错了?
549Are they mostly identified by AI initially,他们是否大多是大赦国际最初认定的,
550and then you have a group who are overseeing and making the final decision?然后你们有一个团体 负责监督和做出最后决定?
551The group is based in Ireland.该小组总部设在爱尔兰。
552And it's a lot of people.亦复众生.
553It's tens of thousands of people.数万众生.
554Tens of thousands?数万?
555It's one of the most important cost items on my P&L,这是我P&L最重要的成本项目之一
556and I think it's completely worth it.我觉得这完全值得
557Now, most of the moderation has to be done by machines.现在,多数节制必须靠机器完成.
558The machines are good.机器不错
559They're quite good.他们是相当好的。
560But they're not as good as, you know, they're not perfect at this point.但他们并不像现在那样完美
561So you have to complement them with a lot of human beings today.因此,你今天必须用很多人来补充它们。
562And I think, by the way, a lot of the progress in AI in general我想,顺便说一句, AI在总体上有很多进步
563is making that kind of content moderation capabilities a lot better.正在使这种内容节制能力大有改进。
564So we're going to get more precise, you know, we're going to get more specific,┮и璶睲贰 и璶睲贰
565and it's going to get, you know, it's going to be able to handle larger scale.它会得到,你知道, 它会有能力处理更大的规模。
566And that's something I think, you know, that I'm personally looking forward to.我想,你知道,我个人很期待。
567What about this perceived huge downside of use of, certainly Instagram,那这个关于使用Instagram的 巨大的缺点呢?
568I think TikTok as well, where people worry that you are amplifying insecurities,我想TikTok也一样 人们担心你正在扩大不安全
569especially of teenagers, and perhaps especially teenage girls,特别是少女,也许特别是少女,
570that you see, they see these amazing people on there doing amazing things.你看,他们看到这些令人惊叹的人 在那里做惊人的事情。
571They feel inadequate.他们感到不足。
572There's all these reported cases of depression, insecurity, suicide, and so forth.这些报道的病例有抑郁症,不安全症,自杀症等.
573I take this extremely seriously.我对此非常认真。
574So again, in our guidelines for certain themes that we think are mature同样,在我们关于某些我们认为成熟的主题的指导方针中
575and not suitable for teenagers,而且不适合青少年,
576we actually proactively remove it from their experience.我们主动地从他们的经验中删除了它。
577At the same time, if you search certain terms,同时,如果你搜索某些条款,
578we will make sure that you get redirected to a resource safety page.我们会确保你被重定向到资源安全页面
579Now, we are always working with experts现在,我们总是与专家合作
580to understand some of these new trends that could emerge了解这些可能出现的新趋势
581and proactively try to manage them, if that makes sense.并主动尝试管理它们,如果这有道理的话。
582Now, this is a problem that predates us, that predates TikTok.现在,这是一个在我们之前的问题, 在TikTok之前。
583It actually predates the internet.它实际上早于互联网。
584You know, it's our responsibility to make sure that we invest enough你知道,这是我们的责任 确保我们投资足够
585to understand and to address the concerns,理解并解决这些关切,
586to keep the experience as safe as possible for as many people as possible.让尽可能多的人尽可能安全地体验
587Now, in Congress, the main concern seemed to be现在,在国会,主要的关注似乎是
588not so much what we've talked about, but data, the data of users,但数据 用户数据
589你属于中国公司ByteDance
590and the concern that at any moment Chinese government might require以及中国政府在任何时候可能要求
591or ask for data, and in fact, there have been instances或要求数据,事实上,曾经发生过
592where I think you've confirmed that some data of journalists on the platform我认为你已经证实一些 记者在平台上的数据
593was made available to ByteDance's engineers, and from there, who knows what.被提供给ByteDance的工程师, 从那里,谁知道是什么。
594Now, your response to this was to have this, you know, Project Texas,现在,你的反应是,有这个,你知道的,德州计划,
595where you're moving data to be controlled by Oracle here in the US.你移动的数据 由甲骨文控制 在美国这里。
596Can you talk about that project and why, if you believe it's so,你能说说那个计划吗? 如果你相信这个计划
597why we should not worry so much about this issue?为什么我们不应该这么担心这个问题?
598I will say a couple of things about this, if you don't mind.如果你不介意的话,我会说几句话
599The first thing I would say is that the internet is built on global interoperability,首先我要说的是 互联网是建立在全球互操作性之上的
600and we are not the only company that relies on a global talent pool我们不是唯一一个依靠全球人才库的公司
601to make our products as good as... Technology is a very collaborative effort.使我们的产品像... 技术是一项非常合作的努力。
602You know, I think many people here would say the same thing.我想这里很多人也会这么说
603So we are not the first company to have engineers in all countries,所以,我们不是第一个 有工程师在所有国家,
604including in China.包括中国。
605We're not the first one.我们不是第一个
606Now, I understand some of these concerns.现在,我理解其中的一些关切。
607So, you know, the data access by employees is not data access by government.所以,你知道,员工的数据访问 并不是政府的数据访问。
608This is very different, and there's a clear difference in this.此事大相径庭,且有明显的区别.
609But we hear the concerns that are raised in the United States.但我们听到美国提出的关切。
610We did not try to avoid, you know, discussing...我们没有试图避免, 你知道,讨论...
611We did not try to just argue our way out of it.我们没有试图只是争论我们的方法。
612What we did was we built an unprecedented project我们做了一个前所未有的项目
613where we localised American data to be stored on American soil我们把美国的数据放入美国土地
614by an American company overseen by American personnel.由美国公司监管
615So this kind of protection for American data所以这种保护 美国数据
616is beyond what any other company in our industry has ever done.超越了我们这个行业其他公司做过的事
617It's... Well, money is not the only issue here,这... 钱不是唯一的问题
618but it's very expensive to build something like that.但造这种东西很贵
619And more importantly, you know, we are basically localising data in a way更重要的是,你知道,我们基本上是 本地化的数据的方式
620that no other company has done.没有其他公司做过
621So we need to be very careful that whilst we are pursuing data,所以我们需要非常小心 当我们在寻找数据时
622what we call digital sovereignty in the US,我们称之为美国的数字主权,
623and we're also doing a version of this in Europe,我们在欧洲也做了这个版本,
624that we don't balkanise the internet.我们不会破坏互联网
625Now, we are the first to do it,现在,我们是第一个这样做的,
626and I expect that, you know, other companies are probably looking at this我希望,你知道,其他公司 可能正在看这个
627and trying to figure out how you balance between protecting protected data,并试图找出如何平衡 保护保护数据,
628you know, to make sure that everybody feels secure about it,你知道,确保每个人都觉得安全,
629while at the same time allowing for interoperability to continue to happen,同时允许互操作性继续发生,
630because that's what makes technology and the internet so great.因为这让科技和互联网变得如此伟大
631So that's something that we are...这就是我们...
632How far are you along that journey with Project Texas?你和德克萨斯计划一起旅行有多远?
633We are very, very far along today.我们今天非常,非常远。
634When will there be a clear, you know, here it is, it's done, it's fine,什么时候会有一个清晰的, 你知道,在这里,它已经做了,它很好,
635well, this data is protected?这个数据被保护了吗?
636Today, by default, all new US data is already stored in the Oracle Cloud infrastructure.今天,默认所有新的美国数据已经存储在甲骨文云基础设施中.
637So it's in this protected US environment that we talked about in the United States.我们在美国谈论的正是在美国这个受保护的环境中。
638We still have some legacy data to delete in our own service in Virginia and in Singapore.在弗吉尼亚和新加坡,我们仍然有一些遗留的数据要删除。
639Our data has never been stored in China, by the way.顺便说一句,我们的数据从未在中国储存过。
640And that deletion is a very big engineering effort.而删除是一个非常巨大的工程努力。
641So as we said, as I said at the hearing,正如我们在听证会上所说
642it's going to take us a while to delete them, but I expect it to be done this year.删掉它们需要一段时间 但我希望今年能完成
643How much power do you have over your own ability to control certain things?你控制某些事物的能力有多大?
644So for example, suppose that for whatever reason,所以,举例来说,假设无论出于什么原因,
645the Chinese government was to look at an upcoming US election中国政府要看看即将到来的美国大选
646and say, you know what, we would like this party to win, let's say,并且说,你知道什么, 我们希望这个党 赢得,让我们说,
647or we would like civil war to break out or whatever.或者我们想内战爆发什么的
648And we could do this by amplifying the content of certain trouble-making,我们可以通过扩大 某些制造麻烦的内容,
649disturbing people, causing uncertainty, spreading misinformation, etc.扰乱人们,造成不确定性,传播错误信息等等。
650If you were required, via ByteDance, to do this,如果你需要通过ByteDance来做到这一点,
651first of all, is there a pathway where theoretically that's possible?首先,在理论上有没有一条可以做到的路径?
652What's your personal line in the sand on this?你个人在沙子上的台词是什么?
653So during the Congressional hearing, I made four commitments.所以在国会听证会上 我做出了四项承诺
654We talked about the first one, which is safety.我们谈了第一个 是安全
655The third one is to keep TikTok a place of freedom of expression.第三是让蒂克托克保持言论自由的地方.
656By the way, if you go on TikTok today, you can search for anything you want,顺便说一句,如果你今天去TikTok, 你可以搜索任何你想要的,
657as long as it doesn't violate our community guidelines,只要不违反我们社区的准则
658and to keep it free from any government manipulation.让它不受政府操纵
659And the fourth one is transparency and third-party monitoring.第四是透明度和第三方监测。
660So the way we are trying to address this concern所以,我们试图解决这个问题的方式
661is an unprecedented amount of transparency.透明度是前所未有的。
662What do I mean by this?这是什么意思?
663We're actually allowing third-party reviewers我们实际上允许第三方审查
664to come in and review our source code.来审查我们的源代码
665I don't know any other company that does this, by the way.顺便说一句,我不认识其他公司
666Just so... Because everything, as you know, is driven by code.只是这样... 因为,你知道的,一切都是由代码驱动的。
667So to allow someone else to review the source code因此,允许他人审查源代码
668is to give this a significant amount of transparency是要给它一个很大的透明度
669to ensure that the scenarios that you described, that's highly hypothetical,确保你描述的情景 高度假设
670cannot happen on our platform.在我们的平台上不可能发生。
671Now, at the same time, we are releasing more research tools for researchers现在,与此同时,我们正在为研究人员发布更多的研究工具
672so that they can study the output.这样他们就可以研究输出。
673So, you know, the source code is the input.所以,你知道,源代码是输入。
674We are also allowing researchers to study the output,我们还允许研究人员研究产出,
675which is the content on our platform.这是我们平台上的内容。
676I think the easiest way to sort of defend this off is transparency.我认为最容易为这一点辩护的方法是透明度。
677You know, we give people access to monitor us你知道,我们允许人们去监视我们
678and we can just make it very, very transparent.我们可以让它非常,非常透明。
679And that's our approach to the problem.这是我们解决问题的方法。
680So you will say directly to this group所以你要直接对这群人说
681that the scenario I talked about of theoretical Chinese government interference我所说的中国政府的理论干涉
682in an American election, you can say that will not happen?在美国大选中,你可以说这不会发生吗?
683I can say that we are building all the tools我可以说我们正在建造所有的工具
684to prevent any of these actions from happening.防止任何这些行为发生。
685And I'm very confident that with an unprecedented amount of transparency我很有信心,以前所未有的透明度
686that we're giving on the platform,我们在平台上付出,
687we can reduce this risk to as low as zero as possible.我们可以尽可能降低这种风险。
688To as low as zero as possible.尽可能低到零
689To as close to zero as possible.尽可能接近零
690As close to zero as possible.尽可能接近零
691That's fairly reassuring.这相当令人放心。
692Fairly.不错
693I mean, how would the world know?我的意思是,世界怎么会知道?
694And if you discovered this or you felt you had to do it,如果你发现了这个 或者觉得你必须这么做
695is this a line in the sand for you?这是沙子里的线吗?
696Are you at a situation where you would not let the company that you know now你是否在那种情况下,你不会让你现在认识的公司
697and that you are running do this?而你在跑步吗?
698Absolutely.当然
699That's the reason why we're letting third parties monitor us.所以我们才让第三方监视我们
700Because if they find out, they will disclose this.因为如果他们发现, 他们会披露这一点。
701We also have transparency reports, by the way,顺便说一句,我们还有透明度报告,
702where we talk about a whole bunch of things.在那里,我们谈论 一大堆事情。
703The content that we remove, that violates our guidelines,我们删除的内容, 违反我们的准则,
704government requests, it's all published online.政府要求,全部在网上发布.
705All you have to do is search for it.你只需要去寻找它
706So you're super compelling and likeable as a CEO, I have to say.所以,你超有吸引力 和喜欢作为一个CEO,我不得不说。
707And I would like to, as we wrap this up,我想,当我们结束这一切,
708I'd like to give you a chance just to paint...我想给你一个机会 只是画...
709What's the vision as you look at what TikTok could be?你看TikTok是什么样子?
710Let's move the clock out, say, five years from now.五年后,我们把时间推开
711How should we think about your contribution to our collective future?我们应如何考虑你对我们集体未来的贡献?
712I think it's still down to the vision that we have.我认为,它仍然 下到我们的愿景。
713So in terms of the window of discovery,因此,从发现的窗口来看,
714I think there's a huge benefit to the world我觉得这对世界有很大的好处
715when people can discover new things.当人们可以发现新的事物。
716People think that TikTok is all about dancing and singing,人们觉得TikTok是跳舞和唱歌
717and there's nothing wrong with that because it's super fun.这没什么不对的,因为它是超级乐趣。
718There's still a lot of that, but we're seeing science content, STEM content.仍然有很多,但我们看到了科学内容,STEM内容.
719Have you heard about Book Talk?你听说过书谈吗?
720It's a viral trend that talks about books and encourages people to read.这种病毒性的趋势,谈书籍,鼓励人们阅读.
721That Book Talk has 120 billion views globally.《书谈》在全球有1 200亿次观看。
722120 billion.一千二百亿.
723Billion, with a B.亿,以乙.
724People are learning how to cook, people are learning about science,人们在学习烹饪, 人们在学习科学,
725people are learning how to golf.人们在学习如何打高尔夫
726Well, people are watching videos on golfing, I guess, on TikTok.人们在看高尔夫球比赛的视频 我猜是TikTok
727I haven't gotten better at looking at videos.我还没看好录像
728I think there's a huge, huge opportunity here on discovery我觉得这里有个巨大的发现机会
729and giving the everyday person a voice.并给日常的人一个声音。
730If you talk to our creators, a lot of people will tell you this again and again,如果你和我们的创造者交谈 很多人会一再告诉你
731that before TikTok, they would never have been discovered.在TikTok之前,他们永远不会被发现。
732We have given them the platform to do that, and it's important to maintain that.我们给了他们这样做的平台,保持这一点很重要。
733Then we talk about creation.然后我们谈论创造。
734There's all this new technology coming in with AI-generated content这些新技术都有AI生成的内容
735that will help people create even more creative content.帮助人们创造更多的创意内容。
736I think there's going to be a collaboration between...我认为... ...
737I think there's a speaker who's going to talk about this.我想有个演讲者要谈这个
738Between people and AI, where they can unleash their creativity in a different way.在人和AI之间,他们可以通过不同的方式释放他们的创造力.
739For example, I'm terrible at drawing, personally.比如,我画画不好,个人。
740But if I had some AI to help me, then maybe I can express myself even better.但是,如果我有一些AI来帮助我, 那么也许我可以更好地表达自己。
741Then we talk about bridges to connect and connecting people and the communities together.然后,我们谈论桥梁 连接和连接人们和社区。
742This could be products, this could be commerce.这可以是产品,也可以是商业。
743Five million businesses in the US benefit from TikTok today.今天,美国有500万家企业从TikTok中受益。
744I think we can get that number to a much higher number.我想我们可以把这个数字提高到更高的水平。
745And of course, if you look around the world, including in Canada,当然,如果你环顾全世界,包括加拿大,
746that number is going to be massive.这个数字会很大
747So I think these are the biggest opportunities that we have,所以我认为这是我们最大的机会,
748and it's really very exciting.它真的很令人兴奋。
749So courtesy of your experience in Congress,以你的国会经验为礼
750you actually became a bit of a TikTok star yourself, I think.你其实是有点 蒂克托克明星自己,我想。
751Some of your videos have gone viral.你的一些视频已经病毒化。
752How about... You've got your phone with you.怎么样... 你带着手机
753Do you want to make a little TikTok video right now?你现在想拍个TikTok视频吗?
754If the audience doesn't mind...如果观众不介意...
755If you don't mind...如果你不介意的话...
756What do you think?你觉得呢?
757Should we do this?我们应该这样做吗?
758We're just going to do a selfie together.我们只是要去做一个自拍。
759How's that?怎么样?
760Okay.摆
761So why don't we just say hi?我们为什么不打个招呼?
762Hi!顿!
763Hello from Chad.你好,从乍得。
764All right, thank you.好吧,谢谢你。
765I hope it goes viral.我希望它会病毒化。
766If that one goes viral, I think I've given up on your algorithm, actually.如果那个病毒发作 我想我已经放弃你的算法了
767I think it's going to take better.我觉得会更好
768Shouchu, you're one of the most influential and powerful people in the world,小丘,你是最有影响力和最强的人之一
769whether you know it or not,无论你是否知道,
770and I really appreciate you coming and sharing your vision.我真的很感激你来分享你的愿景
771I really, really hope the upside of what you're talking about comes about.我真的,真的希望 你所谈论的颠峰会来。
772Thank you so much for coming today.谢谢你今天能来
773Thank you so much.非常感谢
774Thank you.谢谢
775It was really interesting.这真的很有趣。
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