TED演讲：一道墙解决不了美国的边境问题
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:04 | Congressmen, I was about to introduce you and say a little more. | 众议员,我正要介绍你们,多说几句 |
| 0:08 | Hi, how you doing? | 嗨,你好吗? |
| 0:10 | Thank you so much for joining us tonight. | 非常感谢你今晚加入我们 |
| 0:13 | We're so lucky to have you here with us. | 我们很幸运你能来 |
| 0:15 | And I've already explained that you're actually in Washington | 我已经解释过了 你其实是在华盛顿 |
| 0:17 | because you're working. | 因为你在工作 |
| 0:19 | And I was about to tell folks that you represent the 23rd district of Texas. | 我正要告诉大家 你代表德州第23区 |
| 0:25 | But maybe you could tell us a little bit about your district | 但也许你可以告诉我们一些关于你的地区 |
| 0:28 | and describe it for us. | 为我们描述一下 |
| 0:31 | Sure. | 当然 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 1 | Congressmen, I was about to introduce you and say a little more. | 众议员,我正要介绍你们,多说几句 |
| 2 | Hi, how you doing? | 嗨,你好吗? |
| 3 | Thank you so much for joining us tonight. | 非常感谢你今晚加入我们 |
| 4 | We're so lucky to have you here with us. | 我们很幸运你能来 |
| 5 | And I've already explained that you're actually in Washington | 我已经解释过了 你其实是在华盛顿 |
| 6 | because you're working. | 因为你在工作 |
| 7 | And I was about to tell folks that you represent the 23rd district of Texas. | 我正要告诉大家 你代表德州第23区 |
| 8 | But maybe you could tell us a little bit about your district | 但也许你可以告诉我们一些关于你的地区 |
| 9 | and describe it for us. | 为我们描述一下 |
| 10 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 11 | My district in Southwestern Texas is called L.A. | 我位于德克萨斯州西南部的区名为洛杉矶. |
| 12 | In Southwest Texas, it's 29 counties, two time zones, | 德克萨斯州西南部有29个县 两个时区 |
| 13 | 820 miles of border from Eagle Pass, Tupkirks, all the way to El Paso. | 距离鹰口820英里,图普基尔克,一直到埃尔帕索. |
| 14 | It takes 10 and a half hours to drive across my district at 80 miles an hour, | 以每小时80英里的速度穿越我区需要10个半小时 |
| 15 | which is the speed limit in most of the district. | 这是大部分地区的限速。 |
| 16 | And I found out a couple of weekends ago, | 我发现了几个周末前, |
| 17 | it's not the speed limit in all the districts. | 这不是所有行政区的限速 |
| 18 | It's a 71% Latino district, | 这是一个71%的拉丁区, |
| 19 | and it's a district that I've been representing | 这是我一直代表的区 |
| 20 | for now my third term in Congress. | 现在我在国会的第三个任期。 |
| 21 | And when you think about the issue of the border, | 当你想到边界问题时 |
| 22 | I have more border than any other member of Congress. | 我比其他国会成员都多 |
| 23 | I spent nine and a half years as an undercover officer in the CIA | 我在中情局当了九年半的卧底 |
| 24 | chasing bad people all across the country. | 到处追捕坏人 |
| 25 | So when it comes to securing our border, | 所以,当涉及到保护我们的边界, |
| 26 | it's something I know a little bit about. | 我有点知道 |
| 27 | One of the things I learned recently, which I hadn't known before, | 我最近学到的一件事,我以前不知道 |
| 28 | is that your district is actually the size, I think, of the state of Georgia. | 我认为,你所在的地区实际上与格鲁吉亚州一样大。 |
| 29 | That's right. | 没错 |
| 30 | It's larger than 26 states, | 超过26个州 |
| 31 | roughly the size of the state of Georgia. | 大致相当于乔治亚州的大小. |
| 32 | So it's pretty big. | 所以这是相当大的。 |
| 33 | So as an expert in national security and as a member of Congress, | 作为国家安全专家和国会议员 |
| 34 | you've been called upon to think about issues related to immigration | 你被要求考虑 移民的问题 |
| 35 | and in recent years, particularly about the border wall. | 特别是边界墙。 |
| 36 | What is your reaction to President Trump's statement | 你对特朗普总统的声明有什么反应? |
| 37 | that we need a big, beautiful wall | 我们需要一个大而美丽的墙 |
| 38 | that would stretch across our border and at 18 to 30 feet high? | 那会跨越我们的边界, 在18到30英尺高? |
| 39 | I've been saying since I first ran for Congress back in 2009, | 自从2009年竞选国会以来 我就一直这么说 |
| 40 | this is not a new topic, that building a 30-foot-high concrete structure | 这不是一个新话题 建造30英尺高的混凝土结构 |
| 41 | if you see the shining sea, | 如果你看见那灿烂的大海, |
| 42 | is the most expensive and least effective way to do border security. | 是进行边境安全的最昂贵和最有效的方法。 |
| 43 | There are parts of the border where border patrol's response time to a threat | 边境有部分地方 边境巡逻队对威胁的反应时间 |
| 44 | is measured in hours to days. | 以小时为单位计量。 |
| 45 | If your response time is measured in hours to days, | 如果你的反应时间是数小时到数天 |
| 46 | then a wall is not a physical barrier. | 那么墙不是物理障碍 |
| 47 | We should be having technology along the border. | 我们应该有科技沿边界。 |
| 48 | We should know what's called, | 我们应该知道这叫什么 |
| 49 | we should have operational control of our border, | 我们应该有行动控制我们的边界, |
| 50 | which means we know everything that's going back and forth across it. | 这意味着我们知道一切 东西的回溯和 穿过它。 |
| 51 | We can do a lot of that with technology. | 我们可以用技术做很多。 |
| 52 | We also need more folks within our border patrol. | 我们还需要更多的人 在我们的边境巡逻。 |
| 53 | But in addition to doing all this, | 但除了做这一切, |
| 54 | one of the things we should be able to do is streamline legal immigration. | 我们应当能够做的之一是简化合法移民。 |
| 55 | If you're going to be a productive member of our society, | 如果你要成为我们社会的一个有生产力的成员, |
| 56 | let's get you here as quickly as possible, but let's do it legally. | 我们尽快把你带过来 但是我们合法行事吧 |
| 57 | And if we're able to streamline that, | 如果我们能精简一下 |
| 58 | then you're going to see some of the pressures relieved along our border | 然后,你会看到一些压力 缓解我们的边界 |
| 59 | and allow men and women in border patrol | 允许男女在边境巡逻 |
| 60 | to focus on human trafficking and drug trafficking organizations as well. | 也注重人口贩运和贩毒组织。 |
| 61 | Congressman, there's also been a conversation nationally | 议员先生,全国也有谈话 |
| 62 | about using emergency funds to build the border wall | 关于利用紧急资金建造边界墙 |
| 63 | and taking those funds from the United States military. | 并且从美国军方手中抢走这些资金。 |
| 64 | What has your position been on that issue? | 你对这个问题的立场是什么? |
| 65 | You know, I'm one of the few Republicans up here | 你知道,我是这里少数共和党人之一 |
| 66 | that has opposed that effort. | 他们反对这一努力。 |
| 67 | We are just now rebuilding our military | 我们正在重建我们的军队 |
| 68 | and taking funds away from making sure that our brothers and sisters, | 并抢走资金 确保我们的兄弟姐妹, |
| 69 | our wives and our husbands have the training and equipment they need | 我们的妻子和丈夫有他们需要的训练和设备 |
| 70 | in order to take care of us in far-flung places. | 为了在遥远的地方照顾我们 |
| 71 | Taking money away from them is not an efficient use of our resources, | 抢走他们的钱不是有效利用我们的资源, |
| 72 | especially if it's going to build a, you know, | 尤其是如果它要建立一个,你知道, |
| 73 | I always say it's a fourth century solution to a 21st century problem. | 我总是说这是解决21世纪问题的第四世纪办法. |
| 74 | And the reality is what we should be focusing on | 现实是我们应该专注于 |
| 75 | is some of the other root causes of this problem. | 这也是造成这一问题的一些其他根源。 |
| 76 | And many of your speakers today have talked about that. | 今天许多发言者都谈到了这一点。 |
| 77 | And some of those key root problems are violence, | 其中一些关键根源问题是暴力, |
| 78 | lack of economic opportunity, and extreme poverty, | 缺乏经济机会和赤贫, |
| 79 | specifically in the Northern Triangle, El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. | 特别是北部三角、萨尔瓦多、危地马拉和洪都拉斯。 |
| 80 | We should be working. | 我们应该工作。 |
| 81 | I was going to ask what you would recommend the United States government does | 我想问你建议美国政府做什么 |
| 82 | to address the underlying, what we call push factors or root causes | 解决我们称之为推力因素或根源的根源 |
| 83 | in those three countries in Central America. | 在这三个中美洲国家。 |
| 84 | Well, one of the things I learned as an undercover officer in the CIA | 作为中情局的卧底 我学到的一件事 |
| 85 | is be nice with nice guys and tough with tough guys. | 善待好人 强待硬汉 |
| 86 | And one of the principles of being nice with nice guys | 对好人好的原则之一 |
| 87 | is to strengthen our alliances. | 是加强我们的联盟。 |
| 88 | We have a number of programs currently in these three countries | 我们这三个国家目前有一些方案 |
| 89 | that USAID and State Department is doing to address this violence issue. | 美援署和国务院正在处理这一暴力问题。 |
| 90 | We know in El Salvador, one of the problems was that the police were corrupt. | 我们知道萨尔瓦多的问题之一是警察腐败。 |
| 91 | And so we've worked with the Salvadorans to purge the police, | 所以我们和萨尔瓦多人合作 清洗警察 |
| 92 | rehire new folks, use, you know, community policing tactics. | 重新雇用新人, 使用,你知道,社区治安策略。 |
| 93 | These are tactics that the men and women in the United States of America | 这些是美国男人和女人的战术 |
| 94 | and police forces use every single day. | 警方每天都会使用 |
| 95 | And when we did this in certain communities, guess what happened? | 当我们在某些社区这样做时, 猜猜发生了什么? |
| 96 | We saw a decrease in the violence that was happening in those communities. | 我们看到这些社区发生的暴力有所减少。 |
| 97 | And then we also saw a decrease in the number of people | 然后我们也看到人口减少 |
| 98 | that were leaving those areas to try to come to the United States illegally. | 他们离开那些地区 试图非法来到美国。 |
| 99 | So it's a fraction of the cost to solve the problem there | 所以解决这里的问题要花点钱 |
| 100 | before it ultimately reaches our border. | 在它最终到达我们的边界之前 |
| 101 | And one of the reasons that you have violence and crime | 还有你遭受暴力和犯罪的原因之一 |
| 102 | is political corruption and the lack of central governments | 政治腐败和缺乏中央政府 |
| 103 | to protect its citizens. | 保护公民。 |
| 104 | And so this is something we should be continuing to work on. | 因此,我们应该继续努力。 |
| 105 | We shouldn't be decreasing the amount of money | 我们不应该减钱 |
| 106 | that we have that we're sending to these countries. | 我们有我们发送到这些国家。 |
| 107 | I actually think we should be increasing it. | 实际上,我认为我们应该增加它。 |
| 108 | I believe the first thing, and we should have done this months ago, | 我相信第一件事 我们几个月前就该做的 |
| 109 | is select a special representative for the Northern Triangle. | 为北部三角选择一名特别代表。 |
| 110 | That's a senior diplomat that's going to work to make sure | 是个高级外交官,会想办法确保 |
| 111 | that we're using all of our levers of power | 我们正利用一切力量 |
| 112 | to help these three countries, | 帮助这三个国家, |
| 113 | and that we're doing it in a coordinated effort. | 并且我们是在协调努力中这样做的。 |
| 114 | This is not just a problem for the United States and Mexico. | 这不仅仅是美国和墨西哥的问题。 |
| 115 | This is a problem for the entire Western Hemisphere. | 这是整个西半球的问题。 |
| 116 | So where is the Organization of American States? | 美洲国家组织在哪里? |
| 117 | Where is the International Development Bank? | 国际开发银行在哪里? |
| 118 | And we should be having a collective plan to address these root causes. | 我们应当有一个解决这些根源的集体计划。 |
| 119 | And when you talk about violence, | 当你谈论暴力时 |
| 120 | a lot of times we talk about these terrible games like MS-13, | 很多时候我们谈论这些可怕的游戏 比如MS-13, |
| 121 | but it's also violence, like women being beaten by their husbands, | 但也是一种暴力 就像女人被丈夫殴打 |
| 122 | and they have nobody else to go to, | 他们没有其他人可以去, |
| 123 | and they are unable to deal with this current problem. | 他们无法处理目前的问题。 |
| 124 | So these are the types of issues | 这就是问题的类型 |
| 125 | that we should be increasing our diplomacy, | 我们应当加强外交, |
| 126 | increasing our economic development aid. | 增加我们的经济发展援助。 |
| 127 | Please. | 请 |
| 128 | I want to take you now from thinking about the root causes | 现在我想让你从根本原因上思考 |
| 129 | in Central America | 中美洲 |
| 130 | to thinking about the separation of children and families in the United States. | 思考美国儿童和家庭的分离。 |
| 131 | Starting in April 2018, | 2018年4月开始, |
| 132 | the Trump administration began a no-tolerance policy | 特朗普政府开始采取不容忍政策 |
| 133 | for immigrants, people seeking refugee status, | 为寻求难民地位的移民、 |
| 134 | asylum in the United States. | 在美国的庇护。 |
| 135 | And that led to the separation of 2,700 children | 这导致2700名儿童分离 |
| 136 | in the first year that that program was run. | 在第一年 那个方案运行。 |
| 137 | Now, I want to address this with you, | 现在,我想跟你谈谈这个 |
| 138 | and I want to separate it up front into two different conversations. | 我想把它分为两个不同的对话。 |
| 139 | One of the things that the administration did | 当局做的一件事 |
| 140 | was file legal court papers | 是法庭档案文件 |
| 141 | saying that one of the primary purposes of the separations | 说离职的主要目的之一 |
| 142 | was to act as a deterrent against people coming to the United States. | 是为了阻止人们来美国 |
| 143 | And I want to talk for a moment about that from a moral perspective | 我想从道德角度谈一下 |
| 144 | and to get your views. | 并获得你的观点。 |
| 145 | We shouldn't be doing it, period. | 我们不应该这样做,期限。 |
| 146 | It's real simple. | 很简单 |
| 147 | And guess what? | 你猜怎么着? |
| 148 | It wasn't a deterrent. | 这不是一个威慑。 |
| 149 | You only saw an increase in the amount of illegal immigration. | 你只看到非法移民数量的增加 |
| 150 | And when you're sitting, you know, debating a strategy, | 当你坐在,你知道,辩论一个策略, |
| 151 | your strategy, if somebody comes up with the idea | 你的策略,如果有人想出这个主意 |
| 152 | of snatching a child out of their mother's arms, | 将孩子从母亲的怀抱中抢走, |
| 153 | you need to go back to the drawing board. | 你需要回到画板。 |
| 154 | This is not what the United States of America stands for. | 这并不是美利坚合众国所代表的。 |
| 155 | This is not a Republican or a Democrat or independent thing. | 这不是共和党或民主党或独立派的事情. |
| 156 | This is a human decency thing. | 这是人类的尊严 |
| 157 | And so using that strategy, | 所以用这个策略 |
| 158 | it didn't achieve the ultimate purpose. | 它没有达到最终目的。 |
| 159 | And ultimately, the amount of research that was done | 最终,完成的研究数量 |
| 160 | and the impact that the detention of children has, | 以及拘留儿童的影响, |
| 161 | especially if it's over 21 days, | 尤其是如果超过21天 |
| 162 | has on their development and their future is disastrous. | 他们的发展和他们的未来是灾难性的。 |
| 163 | So we shouldn't be trying to detain children for any more than 21 days, | 所以我们不应该试图拘留儿童 超过21天, |
| 164 | and we should be getting children, if they're in our custody, | 我们应该有孩子, 如果他们在我们的监护, |
| 165 | we should be taking care of them mainly | 我们应该主要照顾他们 |
| 166 | and making sure they're with people | 和确保他们与人 |
| 167 | that can provide them a safe and loving environment. | 能够为他们提供一个安全和爱的环境。 |
| 168 | I would challenge you even on the 21-day number, | 我甚至会在21天的电话里挑战你 |
| 169 | but for the purposes of this conversation, | 但为了这次谈话 |
| 170 | I want to follow up on something you just said, | 我想跟进你刚才说的话 |
| 171 | which is that it's wrong to detain children | 也就是拘留孩子是错误的 |
| 172 | and that it's not effective. | 和它的无效。 |
| 173 | So the question then is, why does the administration continue to do it | 那么问题是 为什么政府会继续这么做 |
| 174 | when we've seen 900 additional children separated from their parents | 当我们看到另外900个孩子 与父母分离 |
| 175 | since the summer of 2018? | 从2018年夏天开始? |
| 176 | Why is this happening? | 为什么这样? |
| 177 | Well, that's something that you have to ultimately ask the administration. | 嗯,这是你必须 最终问行政部门。 |
| 178 | These are questions that I've been asking. | 这些是我一直在问的问题。 |
| 179 | The Torneo facility is in my district. | 托尔尼奥监狱在我区 |
| 180 | These are buildings that are not designed to hold anybody | 这些建筑不是用来关押任何人的 |
| 181 | for multiple days, let alone children. | 更别说孩子了 |
| 182 | We should be making sure that if they are in our custody, | 我们应该确保如果他们被我们拘留 |
| 183 | a lot of times for the unaccompanied children, | 很多时候,对于无人陪伴的儿童, |
| 184 | we don't know of a patron or a family member in the United States, | 我们不知道美国的赞助人或家庭成员 |
| 185 | and we shouldn't make sure that they're in facilities | 而且我们不应该确定 他们在设施 |
| 186 | where they're able to go to school and have proper food and health care. | 在那里,他们可以上学,并获得适当的食物和保健。 |
| 187 | And if we're able to find a sponsor or family member, | 如果我们能找到赞助人或家庭成员 |
| 188 | let's get them into those custody | 把他们关起来 |
| 189 | while they're waiting for their immigration court case. | 他们在等待移民法庭的案子 |
| 190 | And that's the other issue here. | 这是另一个问题。 |
| 191 | When you have a backlog of cases, | 当你有积压的案件, |
| 192 | I think it's now 900,000 cases that are backlogged. | 我想现在有90万个案子被记录下来了 |
| 193 | We should be able to do an immigration hearing within nine months. | 我们应当在9个月内进行移民听证会。 |
| 194 | I think most of the legal community thinks that is enough time | 我想大多数法律界认为 时间足够了 |
| 195 | to do something like this so that we can facilitate | 做这样的事情 这样我们就可以方便 |
| 196 | whether someone or an individual is able to stay in the United States, | 不论某人或个人能否留在美国, |
| 197 | or they're going to have to be returned back to their home country | 否则他们就得被送回祖国了 |
| 198 | rather than being in this limbo for five years. | 而不是在这破烂的五年。 |
| 199 | If we think about the asylum system today, | 如果我们今天想到庇护制度 |
| 200 | where people are coming and saying that they have a credible threat, | 在那里,人们来 说,他们有一个可信的威胁, |
| 201 | that they will be persecuted back home, | 他们将在家中受迫害, |
| 202 | and we think about the fact that, on average, | 我们想着,平均来说, |
| 203 | it's about two years for someone to get an asylum hearing, | 需要两年时间才能得到庇护听证会 |
| 204 | that many people are not represented as they go through that process. | 许多人在经历这一进程时没有代表。 |
| 205 | It makes me think about something | 让我想起一些事情 |
| 206 | that they say in the health care space all the time, | 他们常说 在保健空间, |
| 207 | which is that every system is perfectly designed | 也就是每个系统的设计都完美 |
| 208 | to get the results it gets. | 以获得结果。 |
| 209 | And so as you think about this | 所以当你想到这一点 |
| 210 | and think about how we would redesign this system | 想想我们如何重新设计这个系统 |
| 211 | to not do what we're doing, | 不做我们在做什么, |
| 212 | which is years and years of detention and separations | 拘留和分居的年月 |
| 213 | and hardship for people seeking, | 和寻求者所遭遇的艰难; |
| 214 | and again, asylum being a lawful United States government process, | 同样,庇护是美国政府的合法程序, |
| 215 | for people seeking to enter our country lawfully. | 为那些想合法进入我国的人 |
| 216 | What should we do? | 我们该怎么办? |
| 217 | I've tried to increase by $4 billion the amount of resources | 我试图增加40亿美元的资源 |
| 218 | that HHS has in order specifically to deal ultimately with children. | 卫生与健康部为了最终解决儿童问题而专门采取的行动。 |
| 219 | I think we need more immigration judges in order to process these cases, | 我认为我们需要更多的移民法官 来审理这些案件, |
| 220 | and I think we need to ensure that folks can get representation. | 我认为,我们需要确保人们能够获得代表权。 |
| 221 | I've been able to work with a number of lawyers up and down the border | 我和很多律师合作过 上下边界 |
| 222 | to make sure that they're being able to get access to the folks | 以确保他们能够接触到他们 |
| 223 | that are having these problems. | 和有这些问题。 |
| 224 | And so this is something that we should be able to design. | 因此,这是我们应该能够设计的东西。 |
| 225 | And ultimately, when it comes to children, | 最后,当涉及到孩子的时候, |
| 226 | we should be doing everything we can in our custody | 我们该尽我们所能 |
| 227 | in order to take care of them. | 为了照顾他们 |
| 228 | So I have two more questions for you before I'm going to let you go back to work. | 在让你回去上班之前 我还有两个问题要问你 |
| 229 | The first is about our focus in the United States | 第一个是关于我们在美国的焦点 |
| 230 | on the questions of immigration. | 移民问题。 |
| 231 | Because if you look at some of the statistics, | 因为如果你看看一些统计 |
| 232 | you see that of people who are undocumented in the United States, | 你看那些在美国没有证件的人 |
| 233 | the majority of people have overstayed on visas. | 大部分人因签证而滞留过久。 |
| 234 | They haven't come through the border. | 他们还没经过边境 |
| 235 | If you look at the people who try to enter the country | 如果你看看那些试图进入这个国家的人 |
| 236 | who are on the terrorist watch list, | 在恐怖分子观察名单上的人, |
| 237 | they enter overwhelmingly through the airports and not through the border. | 他们绝大多数通过机场而不是边界进入。 |
| 238 | If we look at drugs coming into the United States, | 如果我们看看毒品进入美国, |
| 239 | which has been a huge part of this conversation, | 这一直是这场谈话的一大部分 |
| 240 | the vast majority of those drugs come through our ports | 这些毒品绝大多数都来自我们的港口 |
| 241 | and through other points of entry, | 并通过其他入境点, |
| 242 | not through backpacks on people crossing the border. | 而不是通过背包 人越界。 |
| 243 | So the thing I always ask and I always worry about with government | 所以,我总是问的事情 我总是担心政府 |
| 244 | is that we focus so much on one thing. | 是我们把注意力集中在一件事上。 |
| 245 | And my question for you is whether we are focused | 我的问题是我们是否专注 |
| 246 | on this conversation nationally about the border every day | 有关边境的谈话 |
| 247 | and every minute of every day, | 每一分钟, |
| 248 | whether we're looking completely in the wrong direction. | 我们是否完全看错了方向。 |
| 249 | I would agree with your premise. | 我同意你的假设 |
| 250 | When you have, let's start with the economic benefits. | 当你有,让我们开始 经济利益。 |
| 251 | When you have a 3.6% unemployment, what does that mean? | 当你有3.6%的失业率, 这意味着什么? |
| 252 | That means you need folks in every industry, | 这意味着你需要人们 在每一个行业, |
| 253 | whether it's agriculture or artificial intelligence. | 无论是农业还是人工智能 |
| 254 | So why aren't we streamlining legal immigration? | 我们为什么不精简合法移民? |
| 255 | We should be able to make this market-based | 我们应该能让这个市场 |
| 256 | in order to have folks come in | 为了让大家进来 |
| 257 | and be productive members of our society. | 成为我们社会的有生产力的成员。 |
| 258 | When it comes to the drug issue you're talking about, | 关于你所说的毒品问题 |
| 259 | yes, it's in our ports of entry, but it's also coming into our shores. | 是的,它在我们的入境口岸, 但是它也进入我们的海岸。 |
| 260 | Coast Guard is only able to action 25% of the known intelligence | 海岸警卫队只能行动25%的已知情报 |
| 261 | they have on drugs coming into our country. | 他们有毒品进入我们的国家。 |
| 262 | The metric that we should be measuring, | 我们应该衡量的尺度, |
| 263 | are we seeing a decrease of deaths from overdoses from drugs overseas? | 我们是否看到海外毒品过量致死的人数减少? |
| 264 | Are we seeing a decrease in illegal immigration? | 我们是否看到非法移民减少? |
| 265 | It's not how many miles of fencing that we have ultimately built. | 我们最终建造的栅栏不是多少英里。 |
| 266 | And so we have benefited from the brain drain of every other country | 因此,我们从每一个其他国家的人才外流中受益 |
| 267 | for the last couple of decades. | 过去几十年 |
| 268 | I want to see that continue. | 我想看到这种情况继续下去。 |
| 269 | And I want to see that continue with a hard-working drain. | 我想看到它继续 与努力的排水。 |
| 270 | And I can tell you this. | 我可以告诉你这一点。 |
| 271 | Last Congress, Pete Aguilar is a Democrat from California, | 上届国会 Pete Aguilar是加州的民主党人 |
| 272 | and I had a piece of legislation called the USA Act. | 我有一个叫美国法案的立法 |
| 273 | Strong border security, streamlined legal immigration, fixed DACA, | 强有力的边境安全、简化合法移民、固定的DACA、 |
| 274 | 1.2 million kids who have only known the United States of America as their home. | 120万只知道美国是他们的家的孩子。 |
| 275 | These kids are, I should say, young men and women. | 这些孩子,我应该说,是青年男女。 |
| 276 | They're already Americans. | 他们已经是美国人了 |
| 277 | Let's not have them go through any more uncertainty | 不要让他们再经历任何不确定性 |
| 278 | and make that ultimately happen. | 最终实现这一点。 |
| 279 | We had 245 people that were willing to sign this bill in the law. | 我们有245人愿意在法律上签署该法案. |
| 280 | It wasn't allowed to come forward under a Republican speaker, | 不允许在共和党发言人面前站出来 |
| 281 | and also the current Democratic speaker hasn't brought this bill | 现任民主党发言人 还没有提出该法案 |
| 282 | to do in something that we'd be able to pass. | 做一些我们能通过的事 |
| 283 | So I want to close, and you are perhaps most famous. | 所以我想关门,你也许最出名。 |
| 284 | I don't know if that's fair, but you took a road trip with Beto O'Rourke | 我不知道这是否公平 但你和Beto O'Rourke去旅行了 |
| 285 | from your district to Washington, D.C., | 从你区到华盛顿 |
| 286 | and you've become known for reaching across the aisle | 你因为到达过道而出名 |
| 287 | and engaging in these bipartisan conversations. | 并参与这些两党对话。 |
| 288 | And one of the things I've seen you say repeatedly | 我见过你反复说的话之一 |
| 289 | is to talk about how we are all united. | 讨论我们如何团结 |
| 290 | And I think when we think about the language of immigration | 我想,当我们考虑 移民的语言 |
| 291 | and we start hearing words about enemies and militarization, | 我们开始听到关于敌人和军事化的言论, |
| 292 | I think the real question is how do we convince all Americans | 我认为真正的问题是 我们如何说服所有美国人 |
| 293 | to understand what you say that more unites us than divides us? | 来理解你所说的 更团结我们 而不是分裂我们? |
| 294 | Criss-crossing a district like mine that's truly 50-50, | 十字路口的区 像我这样的 真正50 -50, |
| 295 | 50% Democrat, 50% Republican, | 50%的民主党人 50%的共和党人 |
| 296 | it's been very clear to me that the way more unites us | 我很清楚,我们更团结 |
| 297 | and we focus on the things that we agree will be all better off. | 我们把注意力集中在我们一致认为会更好的事情上。 |
| 298 | And now I'm not going to get a perfect attendance award for going to church, | 现在我不会得到一个完美的出席奖 因为去教堂, |
| 299 | but I do remember when Jesus was in the second temple | 但我记得耶稣在第二座寺庙时 |
| 300 | and the Pharisees asked him what's the most important commandment. | 法利赛人问他最重要的戒律是什么 |
| 301 | He said to love thy Lord God with all your heart, mind, and soul. | 他说要全心全意地爱着你的主。 |
| 302 | But people forget he also said equally as important | 但人们忘记了他也说同样重要 |
| 303 | is to love thy neighbor like thyself. | 就是像自己一样爱你的邻居 |
| 304 | And if we remember that and realize what it would mean | 如果我们记住 并意识到这意味着什么 |
| 305 | and what you would have to be going through | 和你要经历的 |
| 306 | to be living in a situation that you may send your child | 在你可能送孩子的情况下生活 |
| 307 | on a 3,000-mile perilous journey | 在3000英里危险的旅程中 |
| 308 | because that's what you think is the only thing for their future, | 因为这就是你所认为的 对他们未来的唯一意义 |
| 309 | as long as that you can do to make sure their future is bright. | 只要能确保他们的未来光明 |
| 310 | If we all remember that situation | 如果我们都记得那个情况 |
| 311 | and think what we would do in that situation, | 想想我们在这种情况下会做什么 |
| 312 | I think we'd ultimately be better off. | 我觉得我们最终会更好 |
| 313 | Thank you, Congressman. | 谢谢你,议员 |
| 314 | Thank you so much for joining us tonight. | 非常感谢你今晚加入我们 |
| 315 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 316 | Thank you, Congressman. | 谢谢你,议员 |
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