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TED演讲:为什么艺术是带来希望的工具

TED演讲:为什么艺术是带来希望的工具

TED演讲:为什么艺术是带来希望的工具

发布于 2026-10-09 · 时长 16:48

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0:04Wow, wow.哇,哇,哇,哇。
0:05People.众生.
0:06You know, actually, I love people because my work is about people.你知道,实际上,我爱人 因为我的工作是人。
0:11It's这是
0:12actually about bringing people together.其实是把人聚在一起
0:14I'm an artist.我是个艺术家。
0:15I mean, until I found a real job,我的意思是,直到我找到一个真正的工作,
0:18but now it looks like it's getting pretty serious.但现在看来事情变得很严重了
0:21But you know, I also love walls,但我也喜欢墙壁
0:23and I know that walls are supposed to divide us, but I think I've found a way to use walls我知道墙壁会把我们分开 但我想我找到了一种方法
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1Wow, wow.哇,哇,哇,哇。
2People.众生.
3You know, actually, I love people because my work is about people.你知道,实际上,我爱人 因为我的工作是人。
4It's这是
5actually about bringing people together.其实是把人聚在一起
6I'm an artist.我是个艺术家。
7I mean, until I found a real job,我的意思是,直到我找到一个真正的工作,
8but now it looks like it's getting pretty serious.但现在看来事情变得很严重了
9But you know, I also love walls,但我也喜欢墙壁
10and I know that walls are supposed to divide us, but I think I've found a way to use walls我知道墙壁会把我们分开 但我想我找到了一种方法
11to bring us together.让我们聚在一起
12And I've tried this in different places.我在不同的地方试过这个
13This was in Israel,这是在以色列,
14Palestine 15 years ago, where with my friend Marco, I took photos of Israelis and Palestinians15年前,我和我的朋友马可 在那里拍摄了以色列人和巴勒斯坦人的照片
15doing the same job, and then pasted them on Israeli cities and Palestinian cities,做同样的工作,然后把它们贴在以色列城市和巴勒斯坦城市上,
16and people couldn't even recognize who is who.人们甚至都认不出是谁
17This was in the favelas of Brazil,这是在巴西的贫民区,
18faces of women on the heels of the community, often the first target of the violence that is社区妇女的脸,往往是暴力的首要目标
19happening there.发生在那里。
20This is a local museum we have in Paris.这是我们在巴黎的地方博物馆
21It's called the Louvre.名为卢浮宫.
22I don't know我不知道,你觉得呢?
23if you've heard about it, but I thought I'd give it a shout out.如果你听说过, 但我想我会大喊大叫。
24And with 400 people and paper and和400人和纸,
25glue, we repaste the entire plaza to make the pyramid ten times bigger.胶水,我们重新调整整个广场 使金字塔大十倍。
26This was at the border这是在边境
27between Mexico and US.墨西哥和美国之间
28And thank you.谢谢
29Kikito, the little kid, is one year old, and he lived in a琪藤,那个小孩,已经一岁了,他住在...
30little house, you see, on the top left of the image.小房子,你看, 在图像的左上方。
31I just wonder, at his age, what is his我只是在想,在他这个年纪,什么是他
32perspective on the world?对世界的看法?
33You know, each time I do a project, I wonder, can I change the world?你知道,每次我做一个项目, 我想知道,我能改变世界吗?
34And I never really know how a project starts.我从不知道一个项目是如何开始的。
35A couple of years ago, I was making breakfast,几年前,我在做早饭,
36and a friend of mine called me.一个朋友打电话给我
37A friend saw, he said, JR, you love walls.一个朋友看见,他说,JR,你爱墙壁。
38Why don't you do a你为什么不做一个
39project in prison?监狱项目?
40I was like, ah, you know, I was just, dude, you know, I would do it, but it's too我本来想,嗯,你知道,我只是,伙计, 你知道,我会做到这一点,但是它太
41much paperwork, administrative bureaucracy, plus I've been arrested 15 times.很多文书工作 行政官僚 再加上我被捕了15次
42They don't want me他们不要我
43there.这里
44And he was like, I know, bro, but you love walls so much, what you would do in there,他就像,我知道,兄弟, 但你非常喜欢墙壁, 你会在那里做什么,
45what, you know, what, if you could do it, what would you could do?如果你能做到 你会怎么做?
46I was like, okay, you know我当时想,好吧,你知道
47what?你说什么?
48I had an idea.我有个主意
49If I wanted to finish my post-tags and my, you know, French toast before如果我想完成我的后塔格 和我,你知道,法国土司之前
50it gets cold, I had to get rid of him.它变得冷,我不得不摆脱他。
51So I told him, you know what, I'll pay the entire prison.所以我告诉他,你知道的, 我会支付整个监狱。
52He was like, wow, that's amazing.他就像,哇,这是惊人的。
53He hung up the phone.他挂了电话。
54I thought I'd never hear from him for two我以为我两个都听不到他的消息
55decades.数十年。
56He called his friend Scott.他打电话给他的朋友斯科特。
57Scott was like, what's up, Saul?斯科特就像,怎么了,索尔?
58He's like, I spoke to JR.他好像,我和JR谈过了
59He's down to do a project in prison.他在监狱里做一个项目
60Scott's like, wow, that's amazing.斯科特就像,哇,这是惊人的。
61Let me call the governor.让我给州长打电话
62Hang up the phone, call the governor.挂上电话 给州长打电话
63Governor's like, wait, I'm sorry, what is this?州长说,等等,对不起,这是什么?
64JR是谁?
65See, he do black and whites and, you know, he takes photos of people.你看,他做黑白 和,你知道,他拍照的人。
66He recalls their story.他回顾了他们的故事。
67And I'm sorry, I've never heard of it.且道,未尝不闻.
68Yes, it's very large murals.是的,这是非常大的壁画。
69And the governor was like, wait,州长说,等等,
70wait, before I was a governor, I was in a mural.等等 在我当州长之前 我在壁画里
71There were 1300 people.当时有1300人.
72Each one of them recorded每个都录下来了
73their story.他们的故事。
74And I was one of them.我是他们的一员。
75Is that the same artist?是同一个艺术家吗?
76The guy said, yes, that's the same那家伙说,是的,那也是
77artist.艺术家。
78Give him full clearance for every prison in the state of California.给他全权处理加利福尼亚州的所有监狱
79Calls me back.回我电话
80ưμ㼯A
81thing you know, I'm on Google Earth and there's 35 prisons.你知道,我在Google地球 有35个监狱。
82So I'm looking at them and I'm like,所以我看着他们,我说,
83well, first of all, I'm a wallpaper man.好吧,首先,我是一个壁纸人。
84I cannot paste if I don't have my clear surface.如果我没有清晰的表面,我无法粘贴.
85So that这样
86doesn't work.没用的
87That doesn't work.这行不通。
88This is the yard is made of sand and grass.这里的院子由沙子和草地组成.
89I一、导 言
90cannot do it.不能做到这一点。
91I know nothing about prisons.我对监狱一无所知
92So then I see this one and I'm like, wait,然后,我看到这个 我像,等待,
93can we zoom in this one?我们能放大这个吗?
94I'm like, oh, actually, you know what?我觉得,哦,其实,你知道吗?
95The yard here in the center中间的院子
96looks like it's concrete.看起来是混凝土
97I could walk on that.我可以走在那个上面。
98Look, JR, that's a super max security prison.你看,JR, 这是一个超大的安全监狱。
99It's called Tehachapi.名为特哈恰皮.
100It's actually in the top five of the most violent prison.它实际上是在最暴力的监狱的前五名.
101I was like,我当时想,
102we'll do it.我们会做到这一点。
103The next day we flew there.第二天我们飞到那里。
104We arrived there.我们到了那里。
105And of course, you know,当然,你知道,
106it's not that easy.没那么容易
107You get there, it's like fences, electric fences, walls, and you add more walls你到了那里,就像栅栏,电网,墙壁, 你加更多的墙壁
108and more people that check your IDs.更多的人检查你的身份证。
109And my God, I got all the way to the yard and it looked like天啊,我一路走到院子里,看起来
110some army guy with like bulletproof jackets and heavily armed who say, all right, this is一些穿防弹衣的军人 带着全副武装说
111going to be very simple.很简单
112There's some people waiting for you in the gymnasium.有人在体育馆等你
113We got some我们得到了一些
114inmates.囚犯们
115You cannot approach them.你不能接近他们。
116You cannot touch them.你不能碰他们。
117You can sit at the chair that we你可以坐在我们的椅子上
118made for you and we're going to surround the area of the gymnasium.为你准备的 我们要包围健身房
119That sounds fun.这听起来很有趣。
120I enter the room我进入房间
121and we do this thing in France.我们在法国做这件事
122I don't know if you have that, but you shake people's hands,我不知道你有没有, 但你握着别人的手,
123you know?你知道吗?
124So I started shaking people's hands.所以我开始摇动人们的手。
125Hello, how are you?你好,你好吗?
126My name is JR. What's your我的名字是JR。 你怎么样?
127name?名字吗?
128And go around the table.而绕席而行.
129And then I sat and I spoke with them.然后我坐着和他们交谈
130A lot of them have been there很多人都去过那里
131since they were teenagers, some of them even from the age of 13.由于他们是青少年, 有些甚至从13岁开始。
132And I've never seen anything like我从未见过这样的事情
133it.这个
134And so I told them about my art and about the idea and they asked me a question.于是我告诉他们我的艺术和想法 他们问我一个问题。
135They said,他们说,
136but what is the purpose of your art?但你艺术的目的是什么?
137I was like, well, you know, that's a good question.我当时想,嗯,你知道, 这是一个很好的问题。
138I don't我没有
139know if I can answer before, you know, trying a project.如果我能回答,你知道,尝试一个项目。
140So I explained them an idea and I said,所以我向他们解释了一个想法,我说,
141wait, before we start anything, I just want you to know if there's anyone here in this room等等,在我们开始之前,我只想告诉你 这房间里有没有人
142that by being in this project, you might often some of your victims outside.通过参加这个项目, 你可能经常有一些受害者在外面。
143I'm not your guy.我不是你们要找的人
144I'm going to get too much attention for you.我会得到你太多的注意。
145If I were you, don't participate to this project.如果我是你,不要参加这个项目。
146Six or seven guys stood up and left the room.六七个人站起来离开房间
147I was like, all right.и碞钩⊿拜肈
148So we kept on going and所以我们继续
149I started photographing them.我开始拍照
150Very simple.非常简单。
151It's just a small part of the process.这只是过程的一小部分。
152I'm not really我没有
153a photographer.一个摄影师。
154There's just one part that I use and I get to meet them and talk with them.我只能用一个部分 和他们见面和交谈
155And each of them started explaining me their story, where they grew up, where they come from,他们每个人开始向我解释他们的故事, 他们长大的地方,他们来自哪里,
156how many years.多少年时间?
157Some of them spent decades in this prison.其中一些人在这所监狱呆了几十年。
158And the thing is that I told them,事实是,我告诉他们,
159I said, look, you know, this photo is nothing.我说,你看,你知道, 这张照片没什么。
160I need you to go in the next room.我要你到隔壁房间去
161I'm going to我会
162leave a mic there.留个麦克风在那里。
163And I want you to record your story from the beginning.我要你从头开始记录你的故事
164I want to understand.我想了解这一点。
165You have to talk like if you're throwing a bottle in the ocean, I want to understand你要像往海里扔瓶子一样说话 我想知道
166where you come from and then what brought you to make that crime that leads you to prison.你从哪里来,然后是什么让你 犯罪导致你入狱。
167And if you change, explain how you change and why.如果你改变, 解释你如何改变和为什么改变。
168They all went, some stayed for 10 minutes,他们都走了,有些人呆了10分钟,
169some stayed for 20, 30 minutes.有些人呆了20到30分钟
170Some of them were crying in that place.其中一些人在那个地方哭泣。
171Then I went back to my studio and that's what we do.然后我回到我的工作室 这就是我们要做的
172We print strips of paper like a giant puzzle.我们打印纸条 像一个巨大的谜题。
173So we have to combine it together.所以我们必须把它结合起来。
174It's all just paper and glue.皆是纸胶.
175And then we combine them by然后我们结合他们
176numbers and then we went back there and we started bringing everybody in the yard.然后我们回到那里 然后我们开始把大家带到院子里
177And we started pasting everyone from every gang, every race participated.我们开始粘贴每个帮派的每个人, 每个种族参与。
178Now the thing is we're现在问题是,我们
179still in a supermarket security prison.还在超市安全监狱
180So the guards were like, look, we love you with your所以警卫们喜欢,你看,我们爱你与你
181paper and stuff, but we're going to count everything you brought in and we're going to纸和东西, 但我们会数 你带来的一切,我们要去
182make sure you leave with everything out.确保你离开的一切。
183So every hour we're going to stop this whole project and因此,我们每个小时都会停止整个项目
184make sure there's not one scissors missing, one brush, one bucket, anything.确保不缺一把剪刀 一根刷子 一根桶 任何东西
185So we went to the所以我们去了
186process and I had planned two to three days to paste the whole thing.我计划了2到3天 来把整件事贴上
187Those guys were so motivated那些家伙好有动机
188that literally two or three hours we had done it.我们做了两三个小时
189So I said, wait, stop guys.所以我说,等等,阻止家伙。
190They're going to bring他们将带来
191you back to your cell.你回到你的牢房里去。
192Give me a second.给我一秒钟。
193I'm going to try and get some guards to paste with us.我要找一些警卫来和我们一起贴
194And还有
195they were like, look, you know, we love your utopism and stuff, but like that's where it stopped.他们喜欢,看,你知道,我们 喜欢你的乌托邦主义和东西, 但就像这就是它停止的地方。
196I'm like, no, no, just give me a second.我就像,不,不,只是给我一秒钟。
197So I start going to the guards and I say, hey,所以我开始去看守 我说,嘿,
198do you mind participating?你介意参加吗?
199No, no, no.不,不,没有。
20050 no.50号
201One guy say yes.一个人答应了
202Say cool.说酷。
203Come with me.跟我来
204They're他们是
205and then another guard and another guy.还有另一个警卫和另一个男人
206And that's where the real walls were falling down真正的城墙就在那倒下
207because there's no communication between those guards and the inmates.因为那些守卫和囚犯之间没有任何联系
208And you know what?你知道吗?
209From从
210the floor, it was so big, we couldn't see it anyway.地板,它是如此大, 我们看不到它反正。
211You had to send a drone.你必须派无人机
212So remember again,请记住
213you're in a supermarket security prison.你在超市保安监狱
214It's geofencing.其地缘.
215So we're sending the drone.所以,我们发送无人机。
216Those这些
217guys have never seen a drone their whole life.他们一辈子都没见过无人机
218They were more excited about the drone than the他们更兴奋的无人机比
219right.对
220Because if not, it's going to look a bit ugly from up there.因为如果不是,它会看起来有点丑陋 从上面。
221And that's what you see from这就是你看到的
222up there.那边
223That's what you see from up there.从上所见.
224Thank you.谢谢
225The whole yard, all their faces.整个院子,所有他们的脸。
226And when you zoom in, actually, you see the picnic table.当你放大时,你可以看到野餐桌。
227You can still see it looks like a hole,你仍然可以看到它看起来像一个洞,
228but it's actually an illusion.但它实际上是一个幻觉。
229And you see the guys walking on it.你看到那些家伙走在它上面。
230Now, the craziest part of all现在,最疯狂的部分
231of it is because of that crazy permit that I had, I literally walked in without being searched.是因为我那份疯狂的许可 我走进来却没被搜查
232I had my phone on me.我手机上有电话
233So I started filming in there and posting it on social media.于是我开始在那里拍摄并在社交媒体上发布。
234So this guy所以这家伙
235there was showing me his tattoo on day one.第一天给我看他的纹身
236And then the evening, he called his family and they然后晚上,他打电话给他的家人和他们
237said, we saw you on Gerald's Instagram.我们在杰拉德的Instagram上看到你了
238It's incredible.不可思议.
239We see what you guys are doing.我们知道你们在做什么。
240He was so proud.他很骄傲
241The next day he said, Gerald, do you mind me showing my diplomas?第二天他说 杰拉尔德 你介意我出示文凭吗?
242They started他们开始
243realizing the impact of suddenly having a connection with the outside.发现突然与外界联系的影响
244Then this guy然后这家伙
245showed up.出现了
246His name is Kevin.他叫凯文
247When I saw him, I was like, wow, in my life, I never have a second当我见到他,我就像,哇, 在我的生命,我从来没有第二次
248chance to ask a guy, hopefully, why he have a fucking swastika on his face.希望有机会问一个男人 为什么他脸上有他妈的纳粹党徽
249And so I asked him,所以我问他
250and he was like, oh, this, almost like he forgot about it.他就像,哦,这个, 几乎像他忘了它。
251He was like, I did this as a gang thing他喜欢,我这样做作为一个帮派的事情
252when I went in prison, but now if I could, I would remove it.我进监狱的时候,但现在如果可以的话,我会去掉它。
253I was like, okay, do you mind if I take我当时想,好吧,你介意我拿
254a photo and I share it?一张我分享的照片?
255He was like, yeah, sure.他就像,是的,当然。
256I share that photo.我同意这张照片。
257Now, as you can imagine on现在,你可以想象
258social media, a lot of people was as shocked and offended as I was, but a lot of people were like,社交媒体上,很多人 和我一样震惊和冒犯, 但很多人喜欢,
259that's strange because that doesn't connect with the beauty in his eyes and the humanity in him.这很奇怪 因为这和他眼中的美 和他内心的人性无关
260So I went back to him and I said, look, Kevin, there's this thing called social media.于是我回到他身边 我说,凯文,有个叫社交媒体的东西
261I knowи笵
262you've been here too long.你在这里太久了
263You don't know about this, but people writing comments.你不知道,但人们写评论。
264I'm going to我会
265read them to you.读给你听
266And I think some of them you should answer.我想你应该回答其中的一些问题。
267So we started talking and I did于是我们开始交谈,我做到了
268many and many videos and asking him again and again, and he responded and he went deeper and许多视频, 问他一次又一次, 他回答,他走更深
269deeper.更深一点
270And it started a chain of people who were like, let's get this tattoo out of his face.开始一连串的人, 他们喜欢,让我们把这个纹身 从他的脸。
271Okay.摆
272So now, before we reveal the image that you saw, I didn't want it to throw it to the world所以,现在,在我们揭示你所看到的形象之前, 我不想把它扔给世界
273like that.像这样
274For now, only the inmates and I have seen it.现在 只有囚犯和我见过
275We started an app where you can actually我们启动了一个应用程序,你实际上可以
276go in, it's totally free, and you can go and click on any faces and hear their story for as进去,这是完全免费的, 你可以去点击 任何面孔,并听到他们的故事
277much as they want.随时随地
278I wonder, you know, I've seen it.我不知道,你知道,我见过它。
279I saw people telling me that they heard story我看到有人告诉我 他们听到的故事
280and like a podcast, but I wonder how would they feel about it?喜欢播客, 但我想知道他们会有什么感觉?
281I wanted the feedback from them.我想从他们的反馈。
282So I got a permit to go back in the prison.所以我有回监狱的许可
283And this time I said, let me walk on some more walls,这次,我说,让我走 在更多的墙上,
284I'll find an idea, let me get back in.我会找到一个想法,让我回来。
285So I go back in there and I started walking on the walls,所以我回到那里,开始走在墙上,
286but it was really the excuse was like, I need to speak to you guys.但它真的是借口 就像, 我需要和你们谈谈。
287So I said, what happened,所以我说,发生了什么事,
288guys?伙计们?
289They were like, well, what do you mean what happened?他们就像,嗯,你是什么意思 发生了什么事?
290I was like, well, I was in the outside,我当时在外边
291I can't speak to you guys.我不能跟你们说话
292What was the impact inside?里面有什么影响?
293It's like, oh, the impact inside is pretty这就像,哦, 里面的影响是漂亮的
294simple.很简单
295Let me tell you for myself.让我亲自告诉你
296I mean, my daughter never visited me in 14 years.我女儿14年没来看我了
297And now现在
298she sat in her bedroom and she listened to my audio.她坐在她的卧室里 听我的录音
299And now she sees me every week.现在她每周都见我
300He says,他说,
301you can ask to every one of those guys here and they'll tell you the same story.你可以问这里的每个人 他们会告诉你同样的故事。
302And he told me他告诉我
303another thing happened is that the guards started listening to our stories.另一件事是警卫们开始听我们的故事
304They treat us differently他们对我们不同
305now.现在
306Then we started seeing the walls falling down.然后我们开始看到墙壁倒塌.
307So I left a little souvenir in the courtyard.所以我在庭院里留下了一点纪念品
308I was like, all right, let me make one more wall disappear before I go.好吧,让我在走之前再弄一堵墙消失
309So we pasted the mountains於是我们就把山贴上
310from behind the wall on the wall.从墙后的墙上。
311And it's still there actually.并且实际上还存在.
312This one is still in level four,这个还在四级
313which is the supermarket security prison.这是超市安全监狱。
314And they told me in winter it becomes all snowy.他们告诉我冬天会下雪
315And so you actually don't tell the difference between the reality and the world.所以实际上你并没说出现实和世界的区别。
316Now, Kevin现在,凯文
317was still in prison.还在监狱里
318So I visited him again.所以我再次拜访了他。
319And something had changed in him.他身上有些变化
320He was already他已经是了
321helping others.帮助别人。
322And, you know, you could tell that he almost had forgotten about his tattoo,你知道,你可以告诉 他几乎忘了他的纹身,
323even if it was still there, because you cannot remove tattoos in prison.即使它还在那里, 因为你不能去除纹身 在监狱。
324So I brought him a book所以我给他带了本书
325and I told him, look, there's a swastika on the cover.我告诉他,你看,封面上有一个纳粹党。
326I thought you'd like it.我想你会喜欢的。
327And he laughed,他笑着,
328but I said, no, seriously, this is our friend, Art Spiegelman, who wrote it.但我说 不 说真的 这是我们的朋友Art Spiegelman写的
329And he told the story他讲述了这个故事
330about his family in the Holocaust.他的家人在大屠杀。
331And so that night he went and read the book and he was really于是当晚他去读了这本书,他真的
332moved.移动。
333He called his mom and he said, mom, you know, those French people, they brought me this book,他打电话给他的妈妈 他说,妈妈,你知道, 那些法国人, 他们给我带来了这本书,
334talks about the Holocaust.谈论大屠杀。
335And she said, but you stupid moron, your family was from Poland.她说,但你这个愚蠢的白痴, 你的家人来自波兰。
336They were hiding Jews there at the time.当时他们把犹太人藏在那里.
337They died in Auschwitz because of protecting them.他们死于奥斯威辛,因为保护他们。
338And you go in prison and do this on your face?你进监狱的时候 脸上都这样?
339He was in shock.他吓坏了
340Couple years later, which is几年后,这就是
341months ago, he came out.几个月前,他出来了
342Like many others from the project, almost all of them got moved to a和这个项目的其他人一样,他们几乎都搬到了
343lower security prison.低安全监狱。
344And one third of them got freed because of having good grades and他们中三分之一因为成绩好而被释放
345notes by the guards after all the project.之后的警卫们的笔记。
346So Kevin went out and the first thing he did凯文出去了,他做了第一件事
347was to go up that hill that he looked at for 17 years to look down at the prison that he was上那座他看了17年的山 看那座监狱
348in.进去
349And then the second thing, as I promised him, I took him to a doctor to remove his tattoo.第二件事,我答应他,我带他去医生那里取他的纹身。
350And the session started with the laser and it's very painful.而会话是从激光开始的,非常痛苦.
351And at the end of it, the doctor最后,医生
352removed the laser and she told him, well, who's better than a Jewish doctor to remove your swastika?她告诉他 谁比犹太医生更能移除你的纳粹党徽?
353And that's him now.现在就是他了
354Yeah.对
355You know, we really try to bring that.你知道,我们真的试图带来。
356We really try to bring him here,我们真的想把他带到这儿来
357but his parole officer, who is actually really nice, he said,但他的假释官, 他其实真的很好,他说,
358JR, you're pushing too much.JR,你推得太过分了
359He's not going to Canada.他不会去加拿大的
360Sorry about it.对不起
361But he knows I'm here talking about it.但他知道我在这里谈论它。
362You know, I want to use art as a bridge to make people talk你知道,我想用艺术作为桥梁 让人们说话
363to each other.彼此之间。
364I'm not an activist.我不是一个活动家。
365I'm just an artist.我只是个艺术家
366I don't try to tell people what to think.我不试着告诉别人该怎么想
367I just try to make them think.我只是试图让他们思考。
368And I really see art, to me, it's like it's in the process.我真正看到艺术, 对我来说,它就像它在过程中。
369That's what's important.这才是重要的
370And after this whole project, after everything I showed you,经过这整个项目, 经过所有我展示给你,
371what shook them, what struck them the most is that I shook their hand.震撼他们的东西 最震撼他们的是我握着他们的手
372So at the end,所以到最后,我们...
373they even asked me for a hug.他们甚至要我抱抱
374Now, I remember their first question, which was, what is the现在,我记得他们的第一个问题是, 什么是
375purpose of your art?你艺术的目的?
376Well, art can change things, but can it change the world?艺术可以改变事物 但能改变世界吗?
377Or can it change a或者它能改变
378human being?人类?
379And again, before you answer that question, think at some point in your life,再说一遍 在你回答这个问题之前 想想你生命中的某个时刻
380have you changed?你变了吗?
381And if yes, if you did, why can't they?如果有,如果有,为什么不能呢?
382Thank you.谢谢
383That's amazing.这是惊人的。
384You're amazing.你真厉害
385You also just got back from the Ukraine,你也刚从乌克兰回来
386and I wanted to show us just another piece of your work.我想让我们看看你的作品
387Oh yeah, I was in Ukraine.是的,我在乌克兰。
388The biggest city in the west side of Ukraine is called Elviv.乌克兰西部最大的城市叫埃尔维夫.
389And I had a friend of mine took that photo at the border.我有个朋友在边境拍了那张照片
390He sent it to me.他寄给我的
391I printed it 150我印了一百五十张
392feet long.脚长。
393We rolled it as a tarp, walked through the border with it.我们把它卷成油布,用它穿过边界。
394It's actually easy to go that其实很容易
395way, you know, to enter Ukraine.要进入乌克兰
396So nobody was like, are you going to go this way?所以没人喜欢, 你会走这条路吗?
397Sure.当然
398And then礛
399we drove to, you know, I met some people on Instagram and they came and picked me up我们开车去,你知道,我在Instagram遇到一些人 他们来接我
400in their car.在他们的车上。
401And then we gathered hundreds of people.然后聚众数百人.
402We wanted to show Putin's planes,我们想展示普京的飞机
403who they were shooting out.他们正在射出。
404And so that little girl is actually safe.所以那个小女孩其实是安全的。
405When she got photographed,当她被拍照,
406she was coming out of the country.她从乡下出来
407So she's now in Warsaw, and she's okay.所以她现在在华沙 她没事
408And since then, actually,从那时起,实际上,
409we're moving this image all around Europe.我们把这幅画传遍欧洲
410So while Ted was happening in the last four days,所以当Ted在过去四天里发生的时候
411the image was in Berlin, Düsseldorf, Venice this morning, and then they will keep traveling.今天早上在柏林 杜塞尔多夫 威尼斯 他们就会继续旅行
412And each time, each place, people are gathering by themselves and opening it up.每一次,每个地方,人们自己聚集起来,打开它.
413That is amazing.这是惊人的。
414JR 谢谢
415Thank you.谢谢
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