【双语音+文稿】CBS新闻对黄仁勋独家专访：主题围绕当前AI
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P1 · 【双语音+文稿】CBS新闻对黄仁勋独家专访：主题围绕当前AI发展面临的安全担忧、产业监管、国际竞争以及AI带来的社会变革，黄仁勋阐明其AI立场。 p01 英文版 (P1)
【双语音+文稿】CBS新闻对黄仁勋独家专访：主题围绕当前AI发展面临的安全担忧、产业监管、国际竞争以及AI带来的社会变革，黄仁勋阐明其AI立场。 p01 英文版 (P1)
发布于 2026-09-24 · 时长 46:18字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | Jensen, thank you for doing this today. | 詹森,谢谢你今天做这些 |
| 0:02 | I'm happy to do it. | 欢喜奉行. |
| 0:03 | Nice to see you. | 很高兴见到你。 |
| 0:03 | It's nice to see you too. | 很高兴见到你 |
| 0:04 | Thank you for your time. | 谢谢您的时间。 |
| 0:06 | My first question, we've heard from some of the top CEOs, | 我的第一个问题 我们从一些顶级CEO那里听说了 |
| 0:10 | Dario Amade, Sam Altman, Elon Musk, | 达里奥·阿马德 萨姆·阿尔特曼 埃隆·穆斯克 |
| 0:12 | saying that we need to pace the development of AI. | 说我们需要加快AI的发展速度. |
| 0:16 | You've got whistleblowers saying that the end of humanity | 你有告密者说人类的终结 |
| 0:19 | could be within 10 years. | 可能在10年内。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 1 | Jensen, thank you for doing this today. | 詹森,谢谢你今天做这些 |
| 2 | I'm happy to do it. | 欢喜奉行. |
| 3 | Nice to see you. | 很高兴见到你。 |
| 4 | It's nice to see you too. | 很高兴见到你 |
| 5 | Thank you for your time. | 谢谢您的时间。 |
| 6 | My first question, we've heard from some of the top CEOs, | 我的第一个问题 我们从一些顶级CEO那里听说了 |
| 7 | Dario Amade, Sam Altman, Elon Musk, | 达里奥·阿马德 萨姆·阿尔特曼 埃隆·穆斯克 |
| 8 | saying that we need to pace the development of AI. | 说我们需要加快AI的发展速度. |
| 9 | You've got whistleblowers saying that the end of humanity | 你有告密者说人类的终结 |
| 10 | could be within 10 years. | 可能在10年内。 |
| 11 | Do you agree with this? | 你同意吗? |
| 12 | Well, first of all, AI technology is incredibly powerful. | 首先,人工智能技术非常强大 |
| 13 | It could, of course, do incredible good, | 当然,它可以做 不可思议的好, |
| 14 | and it could be applied to terrible applications as well. | 也可以应用于可怕的应用。 |
| 15 | And so we have to make sure that when we're developing | 所以,我们必须确保 当我们发展 |
| 16 | this technology, we develop it safely. | 这个技术,我们安全地开发它。 |
| 17 | And the industry is transitioning from | 产业正在从 |
| 18 | developing an AI technology that is becoming capable, | 开发一种正在变得有能力的AI技术, |
| 19 | meaning that this first part of this year, | 意思是今年的第一部分 |
| 20 | we went through a transition where AI became useful, | 我们经历了一个过渡 在那里AI变得有用, |
| 21 | and it became useful. | 它变得有用。 |
| 22 | The demand for it is incredible. | 对它的需求是不可思议的。 |
| 23 | Token generation of these AI products are now profitable | 这些人工智能产品现在可以盈利了 |
| 24 | and actually incredibly profitable. | 和实际上令人难以置信的利润。 |
| 25 | So many companies are adopting it. | 这么多公司都采纳了 |
| 26 | OpenAI最新Astra令人难以置信. | |
| 27 | We're using it all over the place. | 遍用诸法. |
| 28 | We use cloud code. | 我们用云码 |
| 29 | 我们使用Cursor,SpaceX AI的产品. | |
| 30 | We use Cognition. | 我们使用认知。 |
| 31 | And so the capability of the technology | 所以技术的能力 |
| 32 | has now reached extremely useful state. | 现在已经达到了极为有用的状态。 |
| 33 | And so these companies are transitioning from being a lab, | 因此,这些公司正在转型 从一个实验室, |
| 34 | trying to get the technology to work, | 试图让技术发挥作用, |
| 35 | to now a products company. | 现在是一个产品公司。 |
| 36 | And so in fact, even calling it a lab | 所以事实上 甚至称它为实验室 |
| 37 | kind of tells you something. | 有点告诉你一些事情。 |
| 38 | They were in research for the first 10, 15 years. | 他们研究了前10,15年。 |
| 39 | And now all of a sudden, in the last six months practically, | 现在突然,在过去六个月里, |
| 40 | the industry has shifted to high production ramp mode. | 该行业已转向高生产坡道模式。 |
| 41 | And so I think that all of the reactions | 所以我认为所有的反应 |
| 42 | that are happening are part of that transition at its core. | 正在发生的是这一过渡的核心部分。 |
| 43 | Are they correct assessments of what could happen? | 他们是否正确评估了会发生什么? |
| 44 | Are we all going to be, in the words of some, | 用一些人的话来说,我们是否都会是, |
| 45 | gone in a decade? | 十几年没见了? |
| 46 | No, that's completely false. | 不,这是完全错误的。 |
| 47 | And that kind of narrative is dramatic. | 这种叙事很戏剧化。 |
| 48 | It gets a lot of attention. | 受诸众生. |
| 49 | Of course, obviously it's gotten the attention of the press. | 当然,这显然引起了媒体的注意. |
| 50 | And I think at its core, they care deeply | 我认为这是核心 他们很关心 |
| 51 | that the products are built safely. | 产品是安全的。 |
| 52 | They're transitioning from a lab to engineering. | 他们正在从实验室过渡到工程。 |
| 53 | They have to dedicate a lot more of their research, | 他们必须投入更多的研究, |
| 54 | researchers, a lot more of their compute to safety. | 研究者们,更多的是他们的计算安全。 |
| 55 | In the case of developing products, | 就开发产品而言, |
| 56 | there's the engine, there's the design part of it, | 引擎在那边 设计部分在那边 |
| 57 | the capabilities part of it, | 能力的一部分, |
| 58 | and there's the verification part of it. | 并有它的核查部分。 |
| 59 | In the beginning of any industry, | 在任何行业的开始, |
| 60 | most of the engineering goes towards making the product work. | 大部分工程都是为了让产品发挥作用 |
| 61 | And then as the product becomes mature | 然后随着产品成熟 |
| 62 | and it rolls out into society, | 并蔓延到社会, |
| 63 | most of the engineering is actually dedicated | 大部分工程都是专门设计的 |
| 64 | to verification, testing, evaluation, | 核查、测试、评估、 |
| 65 | verification, benchmarking, testing the standards, | 核查、制定基准、测试标准、 |
| 66 | making sure that the product that they ship is reliable, | 确保他们运送的产品可靠, |
| 67 | it's functioning as expected, | 它的功能如预期, |
| 68 | delivers on the promise of the product. | 实现产品的承诺。 |
| 69 | And so it's very sensible that right now | 所以现在非常明智 |
| 70 | during this transition, | 在此期间, |
| 71 | they have to move a lot of their capabilities to AI safety. | 他们必须把很多能力 转移到AI安全。 |
| 72 | I think that that's really where the crux of it. | 我想那才是关键所在 |
| 73 | Anything, all the messaging around the drama of it | 任何事,所有的信息 围绕它的戏剧 |
| 74 | is unnecessary. | 这是不必要的。 |
| 75 | It's quite frankly, too much drama, irresponsible. | 这很坦率,太夸张,不负责任. |
| 76 | It is not grounded on facts, it's not grounded on science. | 它不是基于事实,也不是基于科学. |
| 77 | So it's wrong. | 故曰错. |
| 78 | Well, it's wrong because it's not grounded on science. | 这是错误的,因为它不是基于科学。 |
| 79 | Their concern is not wrong. | 他们的关切没有错。 |
| 80 | I just wanna make sure that at the core of it, | 我只是想确保它的核心, |
| 81 | the concern is not wrong. | 担心是没有错的。 |
| 82 | It is no different than I just landed from a plane. | 和我刚从飞机上降落一样 |
| 83 | I'm really glad that the entire ecosystem | 我很高兴整个生态系统 |
| 84 | and industry of air travel takes safety seriously. | 以及航空旅行业重视安全。 |
| 85 | And all the people who are working around the clock, | 所有24小时工作的人 |
| 86 | they're more people working on airline safety | 他们更多的人工作 在航空安全 |
| 87 | and aircraft safety and air travel safety | 飞机安全和空中旅行安全 |
| 88 | than they are working on making new types of aircrafts. | 他们正在制造新型飞机 |
| 89 | And so it makes sense. | 故能通达. |
| 90 | And we're just going through the same thing. | 我们只是经历同样的事情。 |
| 91 | You've said we don't need any new laws. | 你说我们不需要新的法律 |
| 92 | We don't need any new regulations. | 我们不需要任何新的规定。 |
| 93 | But you just said here that you support safeguards | 但你刚才说你支持保障措施 |
| 94 | in major industries. | 主要行业。 |
| 95 | Why not support the equivalent of an FDA or FAA for AI? | 为什么不支持相当于FDA或FAA的AI呢? |
| 96 | Well, before we come up with new laws and new regulations, | 在我们制定新的法律和新条例之前 |
| 97 | let's apply the current laws and the current regulations. | 适用现行法律和现行条例。 |
| 98 | There are all kinds of laws and regulations. | 有种种法门. |
| 99 | You know we live in the land of laws | 你知道我们生活在法律之地 |
| 100 | and is the reason why we feel safe and secure | 也是我们感到安全无虞的原因 |
| 101 | and governed and we have all kinds of laws and regulations | 并且我们有各种法律规章 |
| 102 | applied to each and every one of those applications, | 适用于其中每一项申请, |
| 103 | whether it's food or air travel or any true production. | 无论是食物还是航空旅行 还是任何真正的生产 |
| 104 | But specifically for AI. | 但专门针对AI. |
| 105 | Yeah, so what's the missing part? | 是啊,那么什么是缺失的部分? |
| 106 | Tell me the missing part. | 告诉我失踪的部分。 |
| 107 | I'm curious to know your opinion, | 我很想知道你的意见 |
| 108 | why you think there are no missing parts | 为什么你认为没有缺失的部分 |
| 109 | when someone like a Dario Amadei or a Sam Altman is saying, | 当一个像达里奥·阿马迪或萨姆·阿尔特曼的人说, |
| 110 | we'd like to see regulation. | 我们想看看法规 |
| 111 | I think what I was responding to | 我觉得我的反应是 |
| 112 | is in the case of both of the labs, | 在两个实验室, |
| 113 | one lab had four incidents, | 一个实验室发生了四起事故 |
| 114 | cyber security incidents triggered by them. | 他们引发的网络安全事件. |
| 115 | Another one just had a couple more. | 又一个刚刚多了几个。 |
| 116 | And so before, and both of those incidents | 之前的事 还有这两起事件 |
| 117 | has plenty of laws to deal with. | 有很多法律需要处理。 |
| 118 | You have cyber security unauthorized entry laws, | 你有网络安全 未经授权的进入法, |
| 119 | you have damage liabilities, | 你有损害责任, |
| 120 | you have all kinds of liabilities | 您有各种负债 |
| 121 | associated with cyber security. | 与网络安全有关。 |
| 122 | You have all kinds of liabilities associated with products. | 你对产品有各种责任 |
| 123 | And so if your product does harm, | 所以如果你的产品有伤害, |
| 124 | if your product doesn't perform as you promised, | 如果你的产品不履行你的承诺, |
| 125 | and if you entered into contracts with companies | 如果你和公司签订了合同 |
| 126 | for service level agreements, | 服务级协议, |
| 127 | there are plenty of laws associated with that. | 与此相关的法律很多。 |
| 128 | My point is, apply those first. | 我的观点是,先应用这些。 |
| 129 | And don't let this doomsday narrative | 不要让这个末日的叙事 |
| 130 | cause somebody to relieve them | 让别人解脱他们 |
| 131 | of the laws that currently exist. | 现有法律。 |
| 132 | Now, go and read between the lines. | 现在,去读 在行间。 |
| 133 | There's a lot of, they're actually not asking for more laws. | 有很多, 他们实际上并没有要求更多的法律。 |
| 134 | They're asking to be relieved of the laws we do have. | 他们要求解除我们的法律 |
| 135 | And I think that that's a problem. | 我认为这是一个问题。 |
| 136 | We have plenty of laws, so let's apply those first. | 我们有很多法律 让我们先应用这些法律 |
| 137 | So do you think then, are these companies | 你觉得这些公司是 |
| 138 | asking to be regulated in a sense | 要求从某种意义上加以规范 |
| 139 | because they don't wanna have to handle this themselves | 因为他们不想自己处理 |
| 140 | and take their own responsibility for what they're building? | 为自己建造的东西负责? |
| 141 | Well, they're moving from a lab to a products company. | 他们从实验室搬到了一家产品公司 |
| 142 | From a non-customer revenue producing | 来自非客户收入 |
| 143 | to a customer revenue producing business. | 给一个客户收入 产生业务。 |
| 144 | And that transition must be extraordinary | 这种转变一定很不寻常 |
| 145 | because they're doing it so fast. | 因为他们做的这么快。 |
| 146 | And these are two of the most consequential | 这是两个最大的后果 |
| 147 | technology companies in history. | 科技公司的历史。 |
| 148 | They're incredibly talented researchers there. | 他们是非常有才华的研究人员。 |
| 149 | They're doing excellent work. | 他们做的很好 |
| 150 | But it doesn't change the fact. | 但这并不改变事实。 |
| 151 | The fact is, they're transitioning from a laboratory | 事实是,他们正在从实验室过渡 |
| 152 | into a product service company | 进入产品服务公司 |
| 153 | generating tens of billions of dollars of revenues, | 创造数百亿美元的收入, |
| 154 | expecting it to be hundreds of billions | 期待它有数千亿 |
| 155 | of dollars of revenues. | (单位:美元) |
| 156 | Both of them increasing their compute capacity | 两人都提高了计算能力 |
| 157 | at a rate no companies have ever seen | 以没有公司见过的速度 |
| 158 | in human history and deservedly so, | 在人类的历史上,是值得的, |
| 159 | because their products are good and they're useful | 因为他们的产品好,有用 |
| 160 | and people want more of it | 人们想要更多 |
| 161 | and they like to generate more revenues | 他们喜欢创造更多的收入 |
| 162 | and their investors wanna see their growth. | 以及他们的投资者想要看到他们的成长。 |
| 163 | And all of that is good, but there are laws. | 而一切善根但有诸法. |
| 164 | There are product liability laws | 有产品责任法 |
| 165 | and those product liability laws ought to be tested | 和这些产品责任法应加以检验 |
| 166 | against the current incidents. | 对当前事件的处理。 |
| 167 | And the company. | 还有公司 |
| 168 | And that's enough. | 则足矣. |
| 169 | Well, then we'll see what happens next. | 好吧,那么我们看看接下来会发生什么。 |
| 170 | Then we'll see. | 后明见之. |
| 171 | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | 释曰. |
| 172 | Do the obvious first. | 先做明显的事 |
| 173 | Do the practical first. | 先讲实际的 |
| 174 | And then we can talk about the theoretical later. | 然后我们再谈理论 |
| 175 | But don't talk about the theoretical | 但不要谈理论 |
| 176 | without doing the practical. | 不做实用。 |
| 177 | In making the argument | 在争论中 |
| 178 | for no additional government regulation, | 没有额外的政府规章, |
| 179 | I'm curious to know. | 我好奇地知道。 \ N |
| 180 | I'm arguing for exercising the current regulations. | 我主张行使现行条例. |
| 181 | But you are saying you're not, | 但你是说你不是 |
| 182 | you don't advocate at this moment | 此时此刻你不主张 |
| 183 | for additional government regulation. | 以补充政府条例。 |
| 184 | To do what? | 为了什么? |
| 185 | Right, so if that's the premise here. | 好吧,如果这是前提的话 |
| 186 | Until we know what's missing, | 直到我们知道 缺少什么, |
| 187 | until we know what's missing, why add more laws? | 直到我们知道缺少什么, 为什么增加更多的法律? |
| 188 | So on that note, curious, do you have more faith | 这么说,好奇的是,你是否更有信心? |
| 189 | in the four or five CEOs who control this technology | 在4个或5个控制这种技术的首席执行官中 |
| 190 | than in additional regulation? | - 比附加条例更严重? |
| 191 | Do you trust them to do the right thing | 你相信他们做正确的事情 |
| 192 | and to allay some of the fears here? | 并消除一些恐惧在这里? |
| 193 | They're surely capable of doing the right things. | 他们肯定有能力做正确的事情。 |
| 194 | What they're transitioning from and to | 他们正在从和过渡到 |
| 195 | is an understandable thing. | 这是一件可以理解的事。 |
| 196 | First of all, they're all young CEOs, | 首先 他们都是年轻的首席执行官 |
| 197 | first-time CEOs. | 初任首席执行官. |
| 198 | I've been doing this for 33 years. | 我这样做33年了 |
| 199 | And I get the benefit of hindsight | 我从事后发现得到好处 |
| 200 | and to sit here in the back seat | 坐在后面的座位上 |
| 201 | and pontificate about their business. | 并夸夸其谈 |
| 202 | But the fact of the matter is | 但事实是 |
| 203 | they're going through this transition. | 他们正在经历这个转变。 |
| 204 | It's not easy building a company, | 建立公司并不容易 |
| 205 | building organizations, building products, | 建筑组织、建筑产品、 |
| 206 | building industries, building a business, going public. | 建设工业,兴建企业,对外开放. |
| 207 | All of that is new and it's all happening at the same time. | 这一切都是新的,而且都是同时发生的。 |
| 208 | And so I'm empathetic to the enormous, | 所以我很同情这巨大的, |
| 209 | the enormity of the challenges that they're dealing with. | 巨大的挑战 他们正在面对。 |
| 210 | And I'm also, I also have a lot of confidence | 我也很有信心,我也很自信 |
| 211 | in the capabilities of the teams that they have. | 在他们拥有的团队能力。 |
| 212 | These are extraordinary people. | 这些是非凡的人。 |
| 213 | So you trust, you trust. | 所以,你相信,你相信。 (笑声) |
| 214 | I believe in them. | 我相信他们。 |
| 215 | I believe in the people. | 信诸众生. |
| 216 | I also am empathetic of the circumstances. | 我对情况也很同情 |
| 217 | I don't approve of deflections and distractions | 我不赞成分心和分心 |
| 218 | about the end of the world. | 关于世界末日 |
| 219 | And I rather them focus on | 我宁愿他们专注于 |
| 220 | the things that I know they're focused on. | 我所知道的东西 他们专注于。 |
| 221 | Their engineers are absolutely able to understand | 他们的工程师绝对能理解 |
| 222 | that the incidents they had requires them | 他们的遭遇需要他们 |
| 223 | to create more secure sandboxes and isolation | 创建更安全的沙盒和隔离 |
| 224 | and containment of their experiments. | 并遏制他们的实验。 |
| 225 | I am certain that they have learned | 我相信他们已经学会了 |
| 226 | that they need to monitor much more closely | 他们需要更密切地监测 |
| 227 | all of their software as it's operating | 他们所有的软件在运行中 |
| 228 | during testing and eval. | 测试和测试期间。 |
| 229 | I am certain that if they were, | 我敢肯定,如果他们是, |
| 230 | if their software were to interact with external, | 如果他们的软件能与外部互动 |
| 231 | from their cloud interact with external clouds | 从他们的云 与外部云相互作用 |
| 232 | and other services, that they should let people know. | 以及别的服务,以便他们使人知道。 |
| 233 | And if incidents were to happen, | 如果事情发生, |
| 234 | to make sure that they share it publicly | 确保公开分享 |
| 235 | so that the whole industry can learn from it | 让整个行业都能从中吸取教训 |
| 236 | and we can all improve ourselves. | 我们能改善自己 |
| 237 | This is how the cybersecurity industry works. | 网络安全产业就是这样运作的. |
| 238 | As just so you know, right now, | 正如你所知道的,现在, |
| 239 | all over the world, there's cyber attacks | 全世界都有网络攻击 |
| 240 | and there's all over the world, | 世界上到处都是 |
| 241 | engineers are working feverishly to patch their software, | 工程师们热衷于修复他们的软件 |
| 242 | improve their software, improve vulnerability. | 改善他们的软件,提高他们的脆弱性。 |
| 243 | These are incredibly complex systems. | 这些系统非常复杂。 |
| 244 | The fact that we have open software | 我们有开放软件的事实 |
| 245 | and we have open source software | 我们有开源软件 |
| 246 | so that all the companies could defend themselves | 让所有公司都能为自己辩护 |
| 247 | and upgrade their software | 并更新他们的软件 |
| 248 | is one of the reasons why the industry works. | 是行业运作的原因之一。 |
| 249 | And it's working right now as we speak. | 我们说话的时候它正在起作用 |
| 250 | And we watch each other's back. | 我们互相监视对方的背部 |
| 251 | There are hundreds of companies | 有几百个公司 |
| 252 | that work together as a community. | 合作作为一个社区。 |
| 253 | And we have the asymmetric benefit | 而且我们有不对称的好处 |
| 254 | of having a lot of defenders against attackers. | 有许多捍卫者反对攻击者 |
| 255 | And so there's a lot of stuff to unpack | 有很多东西要收拾 |
| 256 | about the incidents they had, | 关于他们的事件, |
| 257 | but it doesn't change the fact | 但这并不改变事实 |
| 258 | that they're currently doing, | 他们正在做, |
| 259 | they're back to grounding themselves in engineering. | 他们又回到了工程领域 |
| 260 | They're gonna improve their engineering. | 他们会改进他们的工程 |
| 261 | They're going to invest a lot more in evaluations | 他们将投入更多的评价 |
| 262 | and benchmarking and testing. | 基准和测试。 |
| 263 | And that's just a good transition for them. | 这对他们来说是一个很好的转变。 |
| 264 | I'm curious, as Americans look at you, | 我很好奇,美国人看着你, |
| 265 | you're the CEO and founder of NVIDIA. | 你是NVIDIA的首席执行官和创始人. |
| 266 | It's incredibly the most valuable company in the world. | 这是全世界最有价值的公司 |
| 267 | Why should, on this specific issue of safety, | 关于这一具体的安全问题,为什么应当: |
| 268 | why should Americans trust your perspective | 美国人为什么要相信你的观点 |
| 269 | when your company's success, | 当你的公司成功的时候 |
| 270 | your net worth is directly tied to selling chips? | 你的净值直接与销售芯片挂钩? |
| 271 | Our company's success is directly connected | 我们公司的成功是直接相连的 |
| 272 | to the safe deployment of products and services. | 安全部署产品和服务。 |
| 273 | If the computer industry doesn't provide value to the world, | 如果电脑工业不为世界提供价值 |
| 274 | safely and productively provide enormously positive impact | 安全和富有成效地提供巨大的积极影响 |
| 275 | as we have so far. | 正如我们迄今所做的那样。 |
| 276 | If we don't continue to do that, | 如果我们不继续这样做, |
| 277 | our value would be diminished. | 我们的价值将会降低。 |
| 278 | And so it is in our very personal and industrial benefit | 这对我们个人和工业都有好处 |
| 279 | that this new class of applications called AI | 这个新类的申请叫做AI |
| 280 | is able to be produced and delivered to the world safely. | 能够安全生产并交付给世界。 |
| 281 | We have to do this, | 我们必须这样做, |
| 282 | you know, we have to balance this responsible optimism. | 你知道,我们必须平衡 这种负责任的乐观。 |
| 283 | The reason why we do what we do for a living | 我们为生的原因 |
| 284 | is because we believe it's great for the world. | 因为我们相信这对世界是巨大的。 |
| 285 | We believe that we want our children to be part of it. | 我们认为,我们希望我们的儿童参与其中。 |
| 286 | My children are part of it. | 我的孩子是其中的一部分。 |
| 287 | We want all of our families to be part of it. | 我们希望我们所有的家庭都参与其中。 |
| 288 | We want this future where we have less human suffering, | 我们希望我们的未来 人类的痛苦减少, |
| 289 | where companies could be more productive, | 公司可以更有成效, |
| 290 | where we could discover knowledge more quickly. | 在那里我们可以更快地发现知识。 |
| 291 | We want all of this in the future. | 我们希望这一切在未来。 |
| 292 | We wanna deal with aging populations. | 我们想对付老化人口 |
| 293 | We wanna have sustainable energy and use AI market forces | 我们希望有可持续的能源 并利用AI市场力量 |
| 294 | to drive the world into sustainable energy. | 推动世界走向可持续能源。 |
| 295 | We want all of these things, | 我们要所有这些东西, |
| 296 | but we have to do it responsibly and we have to do it safely. | 但是我们必须负责地做,我们必须安全地做。 |
| 297 | And we have to do this all with maturity | 我们必须成熟地完成这一切 |
| 298 | so that we don't scare other people out of scare people | 这样我们就不会吓唬别人了 |
| 299 | with dramatic and historical prediction of the future. | 以戏剧性的和历史的预测未来。 |
| 300 | That is just not true. | 事实并非如此。 |
| 301 | The elephant in the room here is the race with China. | 房间里的大象是和中国的比赛 |
| 302 | The argument has been we can't slow down AI progress | 争论是我们不能拖慢AI的进展 |
| 303 | lest we lose to China. | 以免我们输给中国 |
| 304 | Do you think that's a valid argument? | 你觉得这有道理吗? |
| 305 | As an advice to every single CEO in every industry, | 作为每一个行业的首席执行官的建议, |
| 306 | every student, every professor, | 每个学生,每个教授, |
| 307 | every member of the American society, | 美国社会的每一个成员, |
| 308 | we want America to be as prosperous as we can. | 我们希望美国尽可能繁荣 |
| 309 | The more prosperous we are, the richer we are as an economy, | 我们越繁荣 经济越富足 |
| 310 | the more we could provide for social security, | 我们可以提供更多的社会保障, |
| 311 | the more we could provide for national military security, | 我们越能提供国家军事安全 |
| 312 | the better we could be a citizen of the world | 我们最好成为世界公民 |
| 313 | and support other people's challenges and trials | 支持他人的挑战和审判 |
| 314 | and tribulation and pain and suffering, | 痛苦和痛苦, |
| 315 | the more philanthropic we can be as a nation. | 我们作为一个国家越是慈善。 |
| 316 | And so I would advise that every single American citizen, | 所以我建议每个美国公民 |
| 317 | everybody in America pulls in the same direction | 美国人都往同一个方向走 |
| 318 | as hard as we can. | 尽我们所能 |
| 319 | So should we slow down | 所以,我们应该慢下来 |
| 320 | and would that affect the race with China, | 这会影响与中国的比赛, |
| 321 | the American standing in the global economy? | 美国在全球经济中的地位? |
| 322 | We should go as fast as we can | 我们该尽快走 |
| 323 | irrespective of anybody else. | 不管其他人是谁 |
| 324 | It's not, if China were to discover a cure for cancer, | 如果中国发现癌症的治疗方法 |
| 325 | it's great for us. | 这对我们很好。 |
| 326 | If China were to invent a new technology | 如果中国发明新技术 |
| 327 | for sustainable energy, it's great for us. | 对于可持续能源, 这对我们来说是巨大的。 |
| 328 | If China were to lead in many areas of science and math | 如果中国在许多科学和数学领域领先 |
| 329 | and we were able to learn from them and benefit from it, | 我从他们那里得益, |
| 330 | it's great for us. | 这对我们很好。 |
| 331 | But listen, we're packing heat as a nation. | 听着,我们是一个国家 |
| 332 | This is a nation with extraordinary capability, | 这是一个能力非凡的国家, |
| 333 | extraordinary innovators. | 非凡的革新者。 |
| 334 | I'm proud to be part of the American technology industry | 我自豪地成为美国科技界的一员 |
| 335 | that I would consider one of the three pillars | 我将考虑三大支柱之一 |
| 336 | of our national treasures. | 我们的国宝 |
| 337 | Of course, our financial system is one of them. | 当然,我们的金融体系就是其中之一。 |
| 338 | Of course, our military is one of them. | 当然,我们的军队是其中之一。 |
| 339 | The industry that I serve and I'm part of, | 我所服务的行业,我是其中的一部分, |
| 340 | the technology industry, | 技术工业, |
| 341 | is absolutely one of our national treasures. | 绝对是我们国家宝藏之一 |
| 342 | We are gonna go as fast as we can, but... | 我们会尽可能快去,但是... |
| 343 | How important is it that the Americans... | 美国人... |
| 344 | We're gonna go as fast as we can, | 我们要尽可能快地走 |
| 345 | but we would never, ever and never should | 但我们永远不会,永远不会,永远不会 |
| 346 | ship products before they're ready, | 船产品还没准备好 |
| 347 | deliver products that are unsafe, | 生产不安全的产品, |
| 348 | and nobody's expecting us to do that. | 没有人指望我们这样做。 |
| 349 | But everybody's expecting us to succeed | 但大家都希望我们成功 |
| 350 | and help America be as prosperous as possible. | 帮助美国尽可能繁荣 |
| 351 | David Sachs told me earlier this week | David Sachs告诉我这个星期早些时候 |
| 352 | that he believes that if we slow down | 他相信如果我们慢下来 |
| 353 | the rate of AI development, | AI开发速度, |
| 354 | then that could do huge damage to the American economy, | 那会给美国经济带来巨大损失 |
| 355 | the American military, | 美国军方, |
| 356 | and put the United States at a disadvantage. | 使美国处于不利地位。 |
| 357 | So I just wanna clearly understand, | 所以我只想清楚的明白, |
| 358 | do you think that we should be pacing | 你觉得我们应该走得更快吗? |
| 359 | the development of AI right now, | 现在AI的发展, |
| 360 | given where we are vis-a-vis China? | 我们面对中国的情况如何? |
| 361 | First of all, David's incredibly smart. | 首先,大卫非常聪明。 |
| 362 | This is thoughtful, he's deep, he's pragmatic. | 这是深思熟虑的, 他的深度, 他的务实。 |
| 363 | He is one of the great American patriots. | 他是伟大的美国爱国者之一。 |
| 364 | It's been a privilege to know him, | 很荣幸认识他 |
| 365 | and I met him when he was an advisor at the White House, | 我遇见他时,他是白宫的顾问, |
| 366 | and incredible, incredible human. | 和不可思议,不可思议的人类。 |
| 367 | I'm not exactly what the context of what he said was, | 我并不像他所说的那样 |
| 368 | but I'm fairly certain | 但我相当确定 |
| 369 | he wants America to go as fast as we can, | 他希望美国能尽快走 |
| 370 | but not faster than we should. | 但速度不比我们应该的快 |
| 371 | We should go as fast as we can, | 我们应该尽快走 |
| 372 | but not faster than we should. | 但速度不比我们应该的快 |
| 373 | And if we're compromising safety, that can't happen. | 如果我们在损害安全 那是不可能的 |
| 374 | If you're compromising safety | 如果你损害安全 |
| 375 | and you deliver products that are unsafe, | 并交付不安全的产品, |
| 376 | that put people in harm's way. | 伤害了人们 |
| 377 | We have laws of all kinds to come after you. | 我们有各种各样的法律来追杀你。 |
| 378 | And so the companies that are developing these technologies | 因此,开发这些技术的公司 |
| 379 | are perfectly incentivized to do the right thing. | 被完全激励做正确的事情。 |
| 380 | And I have every confidence, I have every confidence, | 我充满信心 我充满信心 |
| 381 | because they're incentivized to do so, | 因为他们被激励这样做, |
| 382 | they have the capability to do so, | 他们有能力这样做, |
| 383 | that we will deliver, we will create AI, | 我们将实现, 我们将创建AI, |
| 384 | advance AI in a way that's safe to society. | 以对社会安全的方式推进AI. |
| 385 | Dario Amadei says we should stop selling chips to China. | 达里奥·阿玛迪说我们应该停止向中国出售芯片. |
| 386 | The quote is, do not sell powerful AI chips | 引文是,不要卖强大的AI芯片 |
| 387 | or semiconductor manufacturing equipment to China. | 或半导体制造设备到中国。 |
| 388 | What's your response to that? | 你对此有什么反应? |
| 389 | Well, we have to make sure that technology | 我们必须确保技术 |
| 390 | that's created by America advantage America first. | 这是美国创造的优势 美国先。 |
| 391 | Every country would do that. | 每个国家都会这样做。 |
| 392 | Every company does that. | 每个公司都这样做。 |
| 393 | Every parent does that. | 每个家长都这样做。 |
| 394 | Every company does that. | 每个公司都这样做。 |
| 395 | Every industry does that. | 每个行业都这样做。 |
| 396 | Every nation does that. | 每个国家都这样做。 |
| 397 | And in the case of America has decided, | 就美国来说, |
| 398 | the United States has decided, | 美国决定, |
| 399 | and I'm very supportive that we provide | 我非常支持我们提供 |
| 400 | Nvidia's best technology to American companies first. | 恩维迪亚对美国公司的最佳技术首先. |
| 401 | And so we're in the generation of what we call Vera Rubin. | 因此,我们是在一代 我们称之为维拉·鲁宾。 |
| 402 | Vera Rubin is shipping and volume production. | 维拉·鲁宾是航运和批量生产. |
| 403 | We are several years ahead of China with this technology. | 我们比中国早几年掌握这种技术。 |
| 404 | And it's being made available to Dario and Sam | 并提供给达里奥和山姆 |
| 405 | and the American labs and American industries. | 还有美国实验室和美国的工业 |
| 406 | And that's exactly what we're doing. | 这就是我们在做什么。 |
| 407 | And we're delighted to do that. | 我们很高兴这样做。 |
| 408 | On the other hand, | 另一方面, |
| 409 | remember that AI is a five layer cake. | 记住AI是五层蛋糕 |
| 410 | It is not just that model. | 不仅仅是这个模式。 |
| 411 | If the AI industry is represented by the energy sector, | 如果AI产业以能源部门为代表, |
| 412 | the chips sector, the model sector where they are, | 芯片部门, 模范部门 他们在哪里, |
| 413 | the model layer where they are, | 他们所在的模型层, |
| 414 | you could argue that there's six layers over five, | 你可以说,有六层五, |
| 415 | but above that is basically the data | 但上面是数据 |
| 416 | and the application layer. | 和应用程序层。 |
| 417 | And we need every single one of these layers, | 我们需要这些层的每一层, |
| 418 | everybody in America to win. | 在美国每个人都要赢 |
| 419 | We want us to win in the energy sector. | 我们希望在能源部门取得胜利。 |
| 420 | We like us to lead the world in the chip sector. | 我们喜欢在芯片部门领导世界。 |
| 421 | We like to make sure that every single application company, | 我们希望确保每一个申请公司, |
| 422 | I love the fact that FedEx is going to be an AI company. | 我喜欢联邦快递公司将成为AI公司的事实. |
| 423 | I love the fact that Walmart's going to be an AI company. | 我喜欢沃尔玛将成为AI公司的事实. |
| 424 | We need every single company in America to be an AI company, | 我们需要美国的所有公司都成为AI公司, |
| 425 | not just one company, not just two companies. | 不只是一家公司 不止两家公司 |
| 426 | Remember, you have to take a step back | 记住,你必须退一步 |
| 427 | and remember what AI is. | 记住AI是什么。 |
| 428 | AI is digital intelligence. | AI是数字智能. |
| 429 | Why is it, how is it possible | 为什么,这怎么可能 |
| 430 | that every single company in America is not supported | 美国的每一个公司都得不到支持 |
| 431 | and have capabilities of digital intelligence? | 拥有数字情报能力? |
| 432 | And so of course every company is going to be a company | 当然每个公司都会成为公司 |
| 433 | of the future with digital intelligence | 未来与数字智能 |
| 434 | or artificial intelligence as part of the company. | 或人工智能作为公司的一部分。 |
| 435 | And so I want everybody to win, | 所以我希望每个人都能赢 |
| 436 | including the chips industry. | 包括芯片行业。 |
| 437 | And so- | 这样... |
| 438 | So you disagree with Dario's position | 所以你不同意达里奥的立场 |
| 439 | that we should not sell powerful- | 我们不应该卖强权 |
| 440 | Completely disagree that we should ban China | 完全不同意我们应该取缔中国 |
| 441 | of all American products. | 所有美国产品。 |
| 442 | The American companies should have advanced capabilities. | 美国公司应该有先进的能力. |
| 443 | But then after that, every single layer | 但之后,每一层 |
| 444 | of the American AI tech stack, | 美国AI技术堆, |
| 445 | including the traditional companies | 包括传统公司 |
| 446 | and the AI model companies of every single field | 以及每个领域的AI示范公司 |
| 447 | and every single chip company, | 每一个芯片公司, |
| 448 | should go and serve the world, compete for the world, | 应该去为世界服务, 竞争世界, |
| 449 | serving the world, capturing market share, | 为世界服务,赢得市场份额, |
| 450 | capturing economic prosperity. | 赢得经济繁荣。 |
| 451 | That's all about competing. | 这都是关于竞争的 |
| 452 | America is about competition. | 美国是关于竞争的。 |
| 453 | And we ought to go and compete and not seed entire markets. | 我们应该去竞争 而不是播种整个市场。 |
| 454 | Our market is not his to seed. | 我们的市场不是他的种子。 |
| 455 | We ought to go compete for the world's market. | 我们应该去竞争世界市场 |
| 456 | I want to ask you about President Trump | 我想问你特朗普总统的事 |
| 457 | and your relationship with him. | 还有你和他的关系 |
| 458 | Do you agree with President Trump? | 你同意川普总统的意见吗? |
| 459 | You're one of his closest advisors in tech and AI. | 你是他在科技和AI方面最亲密的顾问之一 |
| 460 | He has a lot of advisors. | 他有很多顾问 |
| 461 | And he's an excellent listener. | 他是一个出色的听众。 |
| 462 | He has a broad range of people he talks to. | 他和很多人交谈 |
| 463 | I'm curious. | 我有点好奇 |
| 464 | And that's one of the reasons why he sees through | 这也是为什么他看到 |
| 465 | these complicated situations. | 这些复杂的情况。 |
| 466 | Well, speaking of that. | 说到这个 |
| 467 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 468 | You know, he said this week that he believes | 你知道,他说这个星期 他相信 |
| 469 | that the concerns, the fears about AI's dangers | 担心AI的危险 |
| 470 | are a hoax. | 是个骗局 |
| 471 | The potential to destroy humanity with AI is a hoax. | 利用AI毁灭人类的潜力是一个骗局. |
| 472 | Do you agree with President Trump on this? | 你同意川普总统的说法吗? |
| 473 | Oh yeah, you and I started the conversation just now | 哦,是的,你和我刚开始谈话 |
| 474 | with exactly this. | 就是这个 |
| 475 | I completely disagree with that. | 我完全同意这一点。 |
| 476 | I completely disagree that AI is going to destroy, | 我完全不同意AI会毁灭 |
| 477 | is going to be the end of the world in 2030. | 将在2030年成为世界末日。 |
| 478 | Do you agree? | 你同意吗? |
| 479 | The president is calling this fear a hoax. | 总统称这种恐惧是骗局 |
| 480 | Do you agree with his characterization of it? | 你同意他的说法吗? |
| 481 | I just, I was at the All In Summit | 我只是,我在全盛峰会上 |
| 482 | listening to you talk to him on the phone. | 听你在电话里和他说话 |
| 483 | Well, I don't want to speak for him. | 我不想替他说话 |
| 484 | I'm asking you about you. | 我在问你关于你的事 |
| 485 | I believe, I believe the claims of the end of the world | 我相信,我相信世界末日的说法 |
| 486 | stirring fear across America | 在美国各地引起恐惧 |
| 487 | and doing it by the people who are doing it | 并且由做这件事的人做这件事 |
| 488 | makes no sense to me. | 这对我来说毫无意义。 |
| 489 | So they must be doing it for ulterior reasons. | 所以他们一定是出于别有用心 |
| 490 | That's, maybe it's political, maybe it's otherwise, | 也许是政治原因,或许不是政治原因 |
| 491 | maybe it's just attention grabbing, | 也许这只是吸引注意力, |
| 492 | maybe so that they could get a great interview with you. | 也许这样他们就能接受你的采访 |
| 493 | I don't know what is the reason for it, | 我不知道为什么 |
| 494 | but however it's characterized, | 但它的特征, |
| 495 | 2030 is not going to be the end of the world. | 2030年不会是世界末日。 |
| 496 | There is 0% chance that's going to be the end of the world. | 有百分之零的几率 这将是世界末日。 |
| 497 | And so I think that scaring people is unnecessary. | 所以我觉得吓人是不必要的。 |
| 498 | It is irresponsible. | 這是不负责任的。 |
| 499 | And I don't know what their motives are. | 我不知道他们的动机是什么 |
| 500 | However, what he did say and some of the other things. | 然而,他所说的话和其他一些事情。 |
| 501 | So that's one thing that he said. | 他这么说 |
| 502 | The other thing that he said was that | 他说的另一件事是 |
| 503 | we don't need more regulations. | 我们不需要更多的规定。 |
| 504 | We need to apply the current regulations we have. | 我们需要执行我们现有的条例。 |
| 505 | That's a very practical, very sensible thing. | 这是一个非常实际,非常明智的事情。 |
| 506 | And we just spoke about that as well. | 我们刚刚也谈到了这一点。 |
| 507 | And I agree with that. | 我同意这一点。 |
| 508 | He also said something interesting | 他还说了一些有趣的话 |
| 509 | about his ability to make sure | 关于他确保的能力 |
| 510 | that AI does not have this impact on Americans. | 大赦国际对美国人没有这种影响。 |
| 511 | Do you agree that President Trump has the ability | 你同意川普总统有能力 |
| 512 | to fend off and prevent an AI crisis while he's in office? | 在他上任期间 抵御和预防AI危机? |
| 513 | You know him, you talk to him. | 你认识他 你跟他说话 |
| 514 | Does he have that ability? | 他有这种能力吗? |
| 515 | As the leader of America, | 作为美国领导人, |
| 516 | with all of the laws and regulations we currently have, | 我们目前所有的法律法规, |
| 517 | and recognizing the incidents | 并确认这些事件 |
| 518 | that we now have in front of us, | 我们现在有在我们面前, |
| 519 | I believe we have the necessary laws and regulations | 我相信我们有 必要的法律法规 |
| 520 | to handle those things. | 处理那些事情。 |
| 521 | And so- | 这样... |
| 522 | So he can fend it off in your view. | 这样他就能在你眼里挡住它 |
| 523 | Yeah, because America has, | 是啊,因为美国已经, |
| 524 | our system already has a lot of laws and regulations | 我们的制度已经有很多法律规章 |
| 525 | as it applies to many different sectors | 因为它适用于许多不同的部门 |
| 526 | of products and services. | 产品和服务。 |
| 527 | And so I think he's saying practical things. | 所以我觉得他在说一些实际的事情。 |
| 528 | And like we've already spoken earlier, | 就像我们之前说过的那样 |
| 529 | I think we have lots of laws and regulations | 我想我们有很多法律规章 |
| 530 | and they should be applied. | 并且应当适用。 |
| 531 | I have two just quick questions for you here. | 我有两个问题要问你 |
| 532 | You will be attending the state dinner with China, | 你会参加与中国的国宴 |
| 533 | is that correct, next week? | 是吗,下周? |
| 534 | Next week, yes. | 下个星期,是的。 |
| 535 | If you get a chance to speak to him | 如果你有机会跟他说话 |
| 536 | about this situation that we're in right now, | 关于我们现在的处境, |
| 537 | the one that Americans are so concerned about, | 那个美国人这么关心的 |
| 538 | what will you say? | 你会说什么? |
| 539 | I would say that I'm delighted to see AI's technology | 我很高兴看到AI的技术 |
| 540 | transitioning from laboratories | 从实验室过渡 |
| 541 | to now really useful capabilities | 现在真正有用的能力 |
| 542 | in products and services. | 产品和服务。 |
| 543 | And because it's making that transition, | 因为它使这种转变, |
| 544 | it would be good for all countries | 对所有国家都有好处 |
| 545 | that are developing and advancing AI | 正在发展和推进大赦国际的 |
| 546 | to do so in a way where we share best practices, | 以分享最佳做法的方式这样做, |
| 547 | maybe set global standards about product expectations. | 可能制定产品预期的全球标准。 |
| 548 | Work closer together. | 更密切地合作。 |
| 549 | Yeah, of course, yeah, of course work closer together. | 是啊,当然,是的,当然工作 更紧密。 |
| 550 | If we want, look, they want China to be safe. | 如果我们想要,你看, 他们希望中国是安全的。 |
| 551 | They want China to have the benefit of AI. | 他们希望中国得到AI的好处. |
| 552 | They want China to prosper | 他们希望中国繁荣 |
| 553 | just as we want the United States to prosper. | 正如我们希望美国繁荣。 |
| 554 | I'm glad they have ambitious expectations and aspirations. | 我很高兴他们有雄心勃勃的期望和愿望。 |
| 555 | I wish every country, don't you wish every country | 我希望每一个国家, 难道你希望每一个国家 |
| 556 | has aspirations and ambitions for a better tomorrow? | 对更美好的明天有抱负吗? |
| 557 | And I love that about them. | 我很喜欢他们 |
| 558 | As they advance the technology, | 随着科技的发展 |
| 559 | we ought to make sure that we work with each other | 我们应该确保我们彼此合作 |
| 560 | as much as we can, as much as we can. | 尽我们所能,尽我们所能。 |
| 561 | There are, of course, areas where we can't work together | 当然,有些领域我们不能合作 |
| 562 | for whatever reason. | 无论出于什么原因 |
| 563 | Maybe it's just- Militarily? | 也许只是... 军事? |
| 564 | Well, it could be military reasons. | 这可能是军事原因 |
| 565 | It could be other national security reasons | 可能是其他国家安全原因 |
| 566 | that could arise. | 这可能会发生。 |
| 567 | And those are for the governments to sort out. | 这些都是由政府解决的。 |
| 568 | Other than that, I think that it would be great | 除此之外,我认为这将是伟大的 |
| 569 | for us to work in every possible way. | 以一切可能的方式工作。 |
| 570 | Can I ask you about something about your personal status here? | 我能问你一些关于你在这里的个人状况吗? |
| 571 | I mean, I would be remiss to, | 我的意思是,我会失职, |
| 572 | we all know that Jensen Wong | 我们都知道黄詹森 |
| 573 | is the very successful CEO of NVIDIA. | 是NVIDIA非常成功的首席执行官. |
| 574 | You are a billionaire. | 你是个亿万富翁。 |
| 575 | You have said some of your fellow billionaires | 你说过你的亿万富翁 |
| 576 | here in California are spending millions | 在加州这里花费了数百万 |
| 577 | to fight Proposition 40, the billionaire tax, as it were. | 对抗40号提案, 亿万富翁税, 原样。 |
| 578 | You have said that if California passes it, | 你说过如果加州通过的话 |
| 579 | you'd be perfectly fine paying it. | 你会完全罚款支付它。 |
| 580 | Why do you see it differently than so many of your peers? | 为何你和这么多的同龄人不一样? |
| 581 | I don't mind paying taxes. | 我不介意交税 |
| 582 | Why not? | 为什么不呢? |
| 583 | Look, I don't like tax dollars wasted. | 我不喜欢浪费税收 |
| 584 | I like that our country is efficient and runs efficiently. | 我喜欢这样,我们的国家是有效率的,是有效率的。 |
| 585 | But I also support all that this country represents. | 但我也支持这个国家所代表的一切。 |
| 586 | I support all of our government officials | 我支持所有政府官员 |
| 587 | and their civil duties to make America great and better. | 和他们的公民义务 让美国伟大和更好。 |
| 588 | I love the infrastructure that we've provided | 我喜欢我们提供的基础设施 |
| 589 | for all of our citizens. | 为全体公民服务。 |
| 590 | I love what it's created for me. | 我喜欢它为我创造的东西 |
| 591 | I am the ultimate American dream. | 我是美国最终的梦想 |
| 592 | And if not for this country, the education, | 如果没有这个国家,教育, |
| 593 | the ability to create a new company, | 创建新公司的能力, |
| 594 | pursue your dreams, | 追求你的梦想 |
| 595 | and let merits be the reason why you succeed | 让功绩成为你成功的原因 |
| 596 | and your endeavor and your grit, your innovation, | 和你的劳绩,你的荣耀,你的创造, |
| 597 | let that be the reason why you succeed. | 让这成为你成功的原因 |
| 598 | If not for why I'm here, | 如果不是因为我为什么在这里, |
| 599 | I wouldn't have met all the people | 我不会遇见所有人 |
| 600 | that made NVIDIA possible. | 这使得NVIDIA成为可能. |
| 601 | I wouldn't have met my wife in school. | 我在学校不会遇见我妻子的 |
| 602 | I mean, the list goes on. | 我是说 名单还在继续 |
| 603 | I love this country in every possible way. | 我爱这个国家 以一切可能的方式。 |
| 604 | And it's not perfect, but it's incredible. | 亦非十善但不可思议. |
| 605 | And so I've had the benefit of traveling around the world | 所以我有游历世界的好处 |
| 606 | and sometimes looking back in on your own country | 有时回头看自己的国家 |
| 607 | and all of our trials and tribulations and discourse, | 以及我们所有的考验、磨难和言论, |
| 608 | the messiness of our country, | 这个国家的混乱, |
| 609 | in a lot of ways, that's what makes it beautiful | 在许多方面,这就是为什么它美丽 |
| 610 | and it's what makes it work. | 和它是什么使它工作。 |
| 611 | And so I'm delighted to be part of it. | 所以我很高兴能参与其中 |
| 612 | Even if you might end up paying about, | 即使你最终会付出代价 |
| 613 | perhaps, $8 billion over five years, still worth it? | 5年还值80亿美元? |
| 614 | Well, I think that, first of all, I'm glad you said that, | 嗯,我想,首先, 我很高兴你说, |
| 615 | the fact that I can afford to pay $8 billion | 我付得起80亿美元 |
| 616 | in taxes over five years is a privilege. | 五年多的税收是一种特权。 |
| 617 | It's not the $8 billion, | 这不是80亿美元, |
| 618 | it's the fact that I can afford to pay $8 billion. | 我付得起80亿美元 |
| 619 | And so I'm not afraid of paying taxes. | 所以我不怕纳税 |
| 620 | I'm just afraid of being poor. | 唯恐贫贱. |
| 621 | And I have no trouble contributing to others. | 我对别人的贡献没有困难。 |
| 622 | I love paying all, I'm famed for saying | 我喜欢所有的钱,我名声大噪 |
| 623 | that I want to pay all of our employees as much as I can, | 我想尽我所能支付所有员工的工资, |
| 624 | and I do. | 我也这么想 |
| 625 | Instead of paying people as little as possible | 而不是尽量少付钱给别人 |
| 626 | to get their work, I try to pay people as much as possible. | 为了得到他们的工作, 我试图支付人们尽可能多的报酬。 |
| 627 | That's a privilege of being successful. | 这是成功的特权。 |
| 628 | And that's, frankly, I'm delighted to do it. | 老实说,我很高兴这样做。 |
| 629 | I feel it's a privilege, it's a responsibility. | 我觉得这是一种特权,是一种责任. |
| 630 | And nothing would give me more joy | 没有什么能让我更快乐 |
| 631 | than to be able to pay even more taxes. | 比付更多的税。 |
| 632 | Wait, are you asking to be paying more in taxes? | 等等,你要多交税吗? |
| 633 | The more you make, the more taxes you pay, | 你赚得越多,交的税就越多 |
| 634 | so I'm okay with that. | 所以,我同意这一点。 |
| 635 | That's true, that's true. | 即是实相. |
| 636 | Yeah, I'm okay with that. | 是的,我没事。 |
| 637 | Well, Jensen, thank you. | 詹森 谢谢你 |
| 638 | Do we have time for a couple more questions, | 我们有时间再问几个问题吗? |
| 639 | or I want to be respectable of your time? | 还是我想尊重你的时间? |
| 640 | I have all the time in the world. | 我无时无刻 |
| 641 | Oh, you do? | 是吗? |
| 642 | It's my team. | 这是我的团队。 |
| 643 | Excellent, well, I think I want to ask you | 好极了,我想问你 |
| 644 | about something that's really bothering | 关于真正困扰的东西 |
| 645 | a lot of Americans right now. | 现在有很多美国人 |
| 646 | There's a lot of people who don't want data centers | 很多人不想要数据中心 |
| 647 | in their backyards. | 在他们的后院。 |
| 648 | This is rare bipartisan unity, the backlash is bipartisan. | 这是罕见的两党团结,反弹是两党的. |
| 649 | NVIDIA powers a lot of data centers. | NVIDIA赋予了很多数据中心的权力. |
| 650 | What do you say to the people out there | 你对外面的人怎么说? |
| 651 | who are speaking out and saying we do not want these | 他们直言不讳 说我们不要这些 |
| 652 | in our neighborhoods? | 我们的邻居? |
| 653 | Well, first of all, I would say we're sorry | 首先,我要说,我们很抱歉 |
| 654 | we didn't come talk to you sooner. | 我们没早点来找你谈 |
| 655 | We should have come talk to them sooner. | 我们应该早点来和他们谈谈 |
| 656 | Before you even stand up a giant data center | 在你建立大型数据中心之前 |
| 657 | in some community, some rural area, some small town. | 在一些社区, 一些农村地区, 一些小镇。 |
| 658 | I grew up in a town of 600 people, | 我在600人的小镇长大 |
| 659 | and I went to a school with 300 kids, | 我和300个孩子上过学 |
| 660 | and those 300 kids, that was Oneida in Kentucky, | 那300个孩子 是肯塔基州的Oneida |
| 661 | that was it, and if out of nowhere, | 就是这样 如果不知所措 |
| 662 | a data center were to crop up right next | 一个数据中心即将出现 |
| 663 | to the one grocery store, I think I would be alarmed. | 我想我会惊慌失措 |
| 664 | And so I think that, first of all, | 所以我认为,首先, |
| 665 | we need to go engage the communities long before | 我们早就该让社区参与进来了 |
| 666 | we set up the data centers. | 我们建立了数据中心。 |
| 667 | And I think all of my colleagues recognize this today. | 我认为,我的所有同事今天都认识到这一点。 |
| 668 | All of this happened so quickly, | 这一切发生得太快了 |
| 669 | and it happened all over America so quickly. | 事情发生在美国各地 如此之快。 |
| 670 | Sometimes we just didn't realize, | 有时我们只是不知道, |
| 671 | and we didn't get a chance to be polite, | 我们没有机会礼貌一点 |
| 672 | to be a visitor in some new town. | 成为新城的访客 |
| 673 | However, I will also say the data centers | 不过,我也会说数据中心 |
| 674 | are also improving tremendously and tremendously quickly. | 也正在迅速、迅速地迅速改善。 |
| 675 | The cooling system is now recirculating water. | 冷却系统现在正在循环供水. |
| 676 | We use hot water to cool the data centers, | 我们用热水冷却数据中心 |
| 677 | and so the amount of energy necessary, | 因此,需要的能量数量, |
| 678 | the amount of cooling necessary is dramatically reduced. | 所需冷却量大幅减少。 |
| 679 | The energy that we consume, we should be providing | 我们消耗的能量,我们应该提供 |
| 680 | for the power generation plants. | 发电站。 |
| 681 | We should contribute, in fact, | 事实上,我们应该作出贡献, |
| 682 | even to the local power grid enhancing its reliability. | 甚至到当地电网提高其可靠性。 |
| 683 | And one of the things that the United States | 美国的一件事 |
| 684 | is increasingly understanding, | 越来越了解, |
| 685 | using the market dynamics and the market forces of AI, | 利用大赦国际的市场动态和市场力量, |
| 686 | and just this incredible investment phase, | 和这个不可思议的投资阶段, |
| 687 | the first time in a hundred years, | 一百年来第一次 |
| 688 | we have an opportunity to invest | 我们有机会投资 |
| 689 | in all kinds of sustainable energies, | 在各种可持续能源方面, |
| 690 | where if a particular town would like solar, | 如果某个小镇想要太阳能, |
| 691 | if nuclear, whether it's fusion or fission, hydro, | 无论是核聚变还是裂变 水力 |
| 692 | every single form of power generation is on the table today, | 今天,每一种发电形式都摆在桌面上, |
| 693 | and everybody is being invested in. | 每个人被投入。 |
| 694 | And so that's a fantastic moment. | 因此,这是一个美妙的时刻。 |
| 695 | If we want a sustainable future, | 如果我们想要一个可持续的未来, |
| 696 | the next five years recognize no doubt | 未来五年毫无疑问 |
| 697 | we'll use much more fossil fuel, | 我们将使用更多的化石燃料, |
| 698 | but the decades after that, | 但在那之后的几十年里, |
| 699 | we're gonna see all kinds of applications | 我们会看到各种应用 |
| 700 | of sustainable energy because of artificial intelligence. | 由于人工智能 可持续能源。 |
| 701 | And so I would say, I would also say | 所以我会说,我也会说 |
| 702 | that there are so many great stories of towns | 有很多关于城镇的伟大故事 |
| 703 | that have been the benefit of investments | 投资的好处 |
| 704 | from the data center builders, | 从数据中心建设者, |
| 705 | their community centers improved, | 他们的社区中心得到改善, |
| 706 | new schools, new baseball fields, | 新学校,新棒球场, |
| 707 | new roads, lower property taxes, | 新建道路,降低房产税, |
| 708 | all of that is on the table. | 所有这一切都摆在桌面上。 |
| 709 | And so I think that data center builders | 所以我认为数据中心的构建者 |
| 710 | should go to the communities, | 应该去社区, |
| 711 | let them know that they're considering | 让他们知道他们正在考虑 |
| 712 | building in the community, | * 社区建设, |
| 713 | let them know that the conversation | 让他们知道谈话 |
| 714 | includes an opportunity to upgrade their town, | 包括提升城市地位的机会, |
| 715 | lower their taxes, lower their energy bill, | 减税、减能源 |
| 716 | and there should be some minimums, | 并且应该有一些最低, |
| 717 | there should be some expectation about | 应该有些期望 |
| 718 | the aesthetics of these data centers, | 这些数据中心的美学, |
| 719 | I think they ought to be designed better, | 我觉得应该设计得更好 |
| 720 | they could be designed better. | 可以设计得更好 |
| 721 | A new approach to designing the data center, | 设计数据中心的新方法, |
| 722 | although the main concern really is about- | 虽然主要关心的其实是... |
| 723 | Making something beautiful is just part of the equation. | 做点美事只是方程式的一部分 |
| 724 | I think that today, nobody considers | 我认为今天,没有人考虑 |
| 725 | the aesthetics of a data center | 数据中心的美学 |
| 726 | to be part of its functionality. | 成为其功能的一部分。 |
| 727 | And we should consider that. | 我们应该考虑这一点。 |
| 728 | Well, people think a lot about the energy bills | 嗯,人们想了很多 关于能源账单 |
| 729 | and the water and the resources that go into it, | 以及其中的水和源泉, |
| 730 | that seems to be the primary concern | 这似乎是主要关注的问题 |
| 731 | from people who are protesting these data centers. | 来自抗议这些数据中心的人。 |
| 732 | And so those things, water consumption, | 所以这些东西,水消耗, |
| 733 | that's a myth now. | 这是神话了 |
| 734 | These data centers use less water, evaporated, | 这些数据中心使用较少的水,蒸发, |
| 735 | they don't use evaporation anymore, | 他们不再使用蒸发, |
| 736 | it uses less water than a swimming pool, | 它用的水比游泳池少, |
| 737 | evaporating all year long. | 全年蒸发. |
| 738 | And so I think all of that is kind of historic, | 所以我认为这一切是历史性的, |
| 739 | understandable, but it's a myth now. | 可以理解,但这是个神话 |
| 740 | Energy bills going up is actually the opposite. | 能源账单上升其实正好相反。 |
| 741 | Most of these data centers, all these data centers | 大多数这些数据中心,所有这些数据中心 |
| 742 | should contribute to the grid. | 应该为电网作出贡献。 |
| 743 | When they contribute to the grid, | 当他们贡献给电网时, |
| 744 | it makes the grid more resilient, | 它使电网更具有弹性, |
| 745 | they reduce the power cost. | 他们降低了电费。 |
| 746 | It sounds like you're trying to say | 听起来你是想说 |
| 747 | that people should reconsider | 人们应该重新考虑 |
| 748 | having these in their neighborhood. | 在他们的附近有这些。 |
| 749 | But that you should still do it nicely. | 但你还是应该好好做 |
| 750 | You should still make it more aesthetic. | 你还是应该让它更具美学性 |
| 751 | The setback should be further away from the towns | 挫折应该远离城镇 |
| 752 | because these data centers, | 因为这些数据中心, |
| 753 | there's a lot of traffic in and out, | 有很多的交通进出, |
| 754 | there's noise and so on and so forth. | 有声闻等. |
| 755 | And so you just gotta put it, | 所以你必须把它, |
| 756 | you have to be sensible about these things. | 你对这些事情必须理智 |
| 757 | You know, we should have, we should have | 你知道,我们应该有,我们应该有 |
| 758 | very early on gone and had dialogue | 很早就走了 开始对话 |
| 759 | with the communities before we showed up. | 与社区 在我们出现之前。 |
| 760 | It just happened so quickly. | 事情发生得太快了 |
| 761 | And so for that, it's unfortunate. | 因此,这是不幸的。 |
| 762 | But going forward, we can do a much better job. | 但今后,我们可以做得更好。 |
| 763 | You started this company, | 你创办了这家公司 |
| 764 | you started Nvidia as a gaming chip company. | 你创立了Nvidia公司 作为游戏芯片公司。 |
| 765 | You were sitting in a Denny's 30 years ago. | 你30年前就坐在丹尼家了 |
| 766 | I was a dishwasher at the Denny's. | 我是丹尼家的洗碗员 |
| 767 | Yeah, start us where, I love Denny's. | 是啊,从哪里开始,我喜欢丹尼的。 |
| 768 | I love Denny's, America's Diner. | 我爱丹尼的,美国餐饮。 |
| 769 | Did you ever think when you were a dishwasher | 你有没有想过当你是一个洗碗机 |
| 770 | at Denny's that you would end up on the front lines | 在丹尼的,你会最终 在前线 |
| 771 | about a debate regarding AI and the end of humanity? | 有关AI和人类终结的辩论? |
| 772 | No, I was just really, really focused on doing dishes, | 不,我只是真的, 真的专注于做盘子, |
| 773 | like no dishwasher ever did dishes. | 像没有洗碗机做盘子。 |
| 774 | And I was the best busboy of any busboy | 我是所有公交车上最好的公交车司机 |
| 775 | that ever bus tables. | 永远的公交桌。 |
| 776 | You know, I brought enthusiasm | 你知道,我带来了热情 |
| 777 | to almost every job that I had. | 几乎所有我的工作。 |
| 778 | It didn't matter what it was. | 这不重要 |
| 779 | It seems like you're bringing that same level of enthusiasm | 看来你带着同样的热情 |
| 780 | to your job today. | 为你今天的工作。 |
| 781 | This matters, this is consequential, this is important. | 这件事情,这是必然的,这是重要的。 |
| 782 | It's an important conversation, I'm happy we're having it. | 这是一个重要的谈话, 我很高兴我们有它。 |
| 783 | And I wanna make sure that the American public understands | 我想让美国公众明白 |
| 784 | that this industry will, it is our responsibility | 这个行业会的 这是我们的责任 |
| 785 | to build the technology safely. | 安全地建造技术。 |
| 786 | Just as it is the drug industry to build a drug safely, | 就像毒品行业安全制造毒品一样 |
| 787 | the car industry to build a car safely, | 汽车工业安全建造汽车, |
| 788 | the plane industry to build a plane safely, | 飞机工业安全建造飞机, |
| 789 | this industry will build AI safely. | 这个行业将安全地建造AI. |
| 790 | We have to hold ourselves accountable to that, number one. | 我们必须为此负责,第一。 |
| 791 | Number two, don't let the myths | 第二,不要让神话 |
| 792 | and the ridiculous dramatic stories cause us | 和荒谬的戏剧故事 导致我们 |
| 793 | not to be optimistic about this incredible capability. | 不要对这种不可思议的能力感到乐观。 |
| 794 | We do not want to be the country that invented | 我们不想成为发明的国家 |
| 795 | the technologies of this industrial revolution, | 工业革命的技术, |
| 796 | but have this country, have our country be left behind. | 但拥有这个国家,让我们的国家被抛弃。 |
| 797 | Don't let that happen. | 不要让它发生。 |
| 798 | I don't want that happening for my kids. | 我不想那样发生 我的孩子。 |
| 799 | I don't want it happening for your kids. | 我不希望你的孩子发生这种事 |
| 800 | Can you explain what data centers actually do | 你能解释一下数据中心的实际作用吗? |
| 801 | and why AGI could be a good thing? | 为什么AGI能成为一件好事? |
| 802 | Okay, so really great question. | 好极了 问得好 |
| 803 | First of all, so as you know, several hundred years ago, | 首先,你知道,几百年前, |
| 804 | about 350 years ago, | 大约350年前, |
| 805 | the modern industrial revolution started. | 现代工业革命开始了。 |
| 806 | Electricity was being manufactured. | 正在制造电力。 |
| 807 | It was a magical thing, almost a mythical thing, | 这是一件神奇的事情, 几乎是一个神话的东西, |
| 808 | where you could have water come into this machinery | 在那里你可以有水 进入这个机器 |
| 809 | and this invisible technology comes out of it | 这种隐形技术就出来了 |
| 810 | called electricity, and we can transport energy | 电力,我们可以运输能源 |
| 811 | all over the world, replacing candles and stoves | 换蜡烛和炉子 |
| 812 | and wood-burning ovens and so on and so forth, | 烧木炉等, |
| 813 | steam engines, and so we made it possible | 蒸汽机,所以我们让它成为可能 |
| 814 | for this new industry to happen | 为了这个新产业 |
| 815 | and a whole industry was built on top of it. | 和整个工业 建设在上面。 |
| 816 | Then the second, the last industrial revolution | 然后是第二次,最后一次工业革命 |
| 817 | was really about the information age, | 真正关于信息时代, |
| 818 | and we made it possible by building these data centers | 而我们通过建立这些数据中心而得以实现 |
| 819 | for the internet to be connected together | 互联网连接在一起 |
| 820 | so that we can find anything, | 这样我们就能找到任何东西, |
| 821 | and so the previous industrial, we could power anything. | 因此,之前的工业, 我们可以提供任何动力。 |
| 822 | Now we can find anything, and where we are today, | 现在我们可以找到任何东西, 而我们今天在哪里, |
| 823 | we created this technology called artificial intelligence | 我们创造了这个技术,叫做人工智能 |
| 824 | where given information, given context, | 特定信息,特定背景, |
| 825 | it can reason about, it can reason about | 它可以解释,它可以解释 |
| 826 | the information that you gave it | 你给它的信息 |
| 827 | so that it can answer and do anything. | 以便它能够回答和做任何事情。 |
| 828 | It can even use tools, like for example, | 它甚至可以使用工具,比如, |
| 829 | instead of you and I using a web browser | 而不是你和我用网页浏览器 |
| 830 | 或者你和我使用PowerPoint和Excel | |
| 831 | 或名为 AutoCAD 或 Blender 的 3D 设计工具 | |
| 832 | or something like that, | 或类似的东西, |
| 833 | this software can reason about what you asked it to do | 这个软件可以解释你要求它做什么 |
| 834 | take the context, the information that you needed to do, | 从上下文来看,你需要的信息, |
| 835 | your intentions, and it does the work for you, | 你的意图, 它为你工作, |
| 836 | 和来自OpenAI的后一代人称为Astra | |
| 837 | is incredible. | 难以置信 |
| 838 | You just tell Astra, here's a picture of my backyard. | 你告诉Astra 这是我后院的照片 |
| 839 | Here's some other, here's some examples that I would like, | 这里有一些其他的,这里的一些例子 我想, |
| 840 | maybe a pool or a garden I like to place in it. | 也许是个池子或花园 我喜欢放在里面 |
| 841 | I want you to now turn it into a design file | 我要你现在把它变成一个设计文件 |
| 842 | for my gardeners and my carpenters | 我的园丁和木匠 |
| 843 | so that they could do that backyard for me | 让他们帮我做后院 |
| 844 | or design that house for me, build that house for me. | 或者为我设计那栋房子 帮我建造那栋房子 |
| 845 | And so Astra uses all the necessary tools | 所以Astra使用所有必要的工具 |
| 846 | and the images that you gave it | 和你给它的照片 |
| 847 | and it creates the CAD files for the house | 它为房子创建 CAD 文件 |
| 848 | or the kitchen or the backyard. | 或者厨房或者后院 |
| 849 | It's incredible. | 不可思议. |
| 850 | And so that's what AGI does. | AGI就是这样做的。 |
| 851 | Now what is necessary, however, | 然而,现在需要的是 |
| 852 | is we now need a new type of infrastructure | 我们现在需要一种新的基础设施 |
| 853 | instead of a power generator, | 而不是一个发电机, |
| 854 | instead of a data center for the internet, | 而不是互联网的数据中心, |
| 855 | we now need a artificial intelligence AI factory. | 我们现在需要人工智能AI工厂 |
| 856 | It's an AI factory. | 是一家AI工厂. |
| 857 | Energy comes into it, data comes into it, | 能量进入它,数据进入它, |
| 858 | and these numbers we call tokens | 和这些数字,我们叫代号 |
| 859 | but basically reformulate it into intelligence. | 但基本上把它改编成智能 |
| 860 | I know that sounds complicated, | 我知道这听起来很复杂, |
| 861 | but basically energy comes in, intelligence comes out, | 但基本上能量的出现 智能的出现 |
| 862 | and it basically is an AI factory. | 它基本上是一个AI工厂。 |
| 863 | Input, output. | 输入,输出. |
| 864 | It's as simple as that. | 就这么简单 |
| 865 | And of course, these factories have a lot of computers | 当然,这些工厂有很多电脑 |
| 866 | 在NVIDIA制作的里面。 | |
| 867 | And so now the question is how big would this industry be? | 所以现在的问题是,这个行业有多大? |
| 868 | Now it turns out that just about every part of the economy | 原来经济的每个部分 |
| 869 | and every human, we like to know things. | 和每个人,我们喜欢知道的东西。 |
| 870 | We like to do things. | 我們喜歡做一些事情. |
| 871 | Maybe we like to automate our shopping. | 也许我们喜欢把购物自动化 |
| 872 | Maybe we want to automate the planning of a vacation, | 也许我们想把度假计划自动化 |
| 873 | or a trip, and find us the best fares. | 或旅行,并找到我们最好的票价。 |
| 874 | So on and so forth. | 诸如来等. |
| 875 | I just gave you the example | 我刚刚给你举了个例子 |
| 876 | of maybe we want to improve our backyard | 也许我们想改善我们的后院 |
| 877 | or design a new kitchen. | 或者设计一个新的厨房。 |
| 878 | And so every single industry has information work to do. | 所以每个行业都要做信息工作。 |
| 879 | And the world's industry is called | 世界的工业被称为 |
| 880 | at $100 trillion of economy. | 100万亿美元的经济。 |
| 881 | And out of that, some $15 trillion of it | 从中,大约15万亿美元 |
| 882 | would benefit from more intelligence than it currently has. | 将受益于比目前更多的情报。 |
| 883 | And so these factories is a layer | 所以这些工厂是一层 |
| 884 | that goes around every single country. | 环绕着每一个国家 |
| 885 | Every company will use it. | 每个公司都会使用它。 |
| 886 | And that's the reason why | 这就是为什么 |
| 887 | there's so many of these data centers. | 这些数据中心很多 |
| 888 | This is going to be a multi-trillion dollar industry. | 这将是一个多亿美金的产业。 |
| 889 | Now the question then becomes | 现在问题就变成 |
| 890 | how do we think about these data centers | 我们如何看待这些数据中心 |
| 891 | from America's perspective? | 从美国的角度来说? |
| 892 | And so the thing to realize | 所以,事情要意识到 |
| 893 | is that this is the first time in 100 years, | 这是100年来第一次 |
| 894 | well, at least first time in 50 years, | 至少50年来第一次 |
| 895 | that we have an opportunity to re-industrialize | 我们有机会重新工业化 |
| 896 | meaning bring manufacturing back to the United States. | 意思是把制造业带回美国 |
| 897 | Now, of course, this is manufacturing | 当然,这是制造业 |
| 898 | of something that's invisible, | 隐形的东西, |
| 899 | just like power generation was before that. | 就像之前发电一样 |
| 900 | Not exactly your car manufacturing tradition. | 不完全是你的汽车制造传统。 |
| 901 | It's not manufacturing atoms, | 这不是制造原子, |
| 902 | it's manufacturing electrons, | 它是制造电子, |
| 903 | if you will, it's invisible. | 如果你愿意,这是无形的。 |
| 904 | And, but it's manufacturing nonetheless. | 而且,但它的制造 尽管如此。 |
| 905 | And it's creating all kinds of manufacturing jobs | 创造出各种制造业的就业机会 |
| 906 | across the United States, as you know, | 在美国各地,你知道, |
| 907 | the construction workers, electricians, | 建筑工人,电工, |
| 908 | the fitters, the designers, the builders, | 装配者、设计者、建筑者、 |
| 909 | everybody is so incredibly busy | 大家都这么忙 |
| 910 | because they're building out | 因为他们正在建设 |
| 911 | the several trillion dollars worth | 价值几万亿美元 |
| 912 | of AI factories across America. | 美国各地的AI工厂。 |
| 913 | And so this is the part that is really exciting to me | 所以,这是真正让我兴奋的部分 |
| 914 | is that this is the first time in several decades | 这是几十年来第一次 |
| 915 | that the blue collar workers, the builders, | 蓝领工人和建造者, |
| 916 | the crafts people of our country, | 我们国家的工匠们, |
| 917 | this is their great opportunity. | 这是他们伟大的机会。 |
| 918 | And all of them are enjoying such prosperity now. | 他们现在都享受着这样的繁荣 |
| 919 | I love seeing that. | 我喜欢看到这个。 |
| 920 | We have a real shortage of electricians | 我们缺电工 |
| 921 | and construction workers, | 建筑工人, |
| 922 | but this is just a wonderful opportunity | 但这只是一个绝佳的机会 |
| 923 | for United States to re-industrialize, | 美国重新工业化, |
| 924 | be a manufacturing country again, | 重新成为一个制造国, |
| 925 | for us to create opportunities | 为我们创造机会 |
| 926 | for the blue collar workers | 为蓝领工人 |
| 927 | and all the builders of our country, | 以及我们国家的所有建设者, |
| 928 | and to bring back building and manufacturing again. | 并且把建筑和制造业带回来 |
| 929 | And so I think it's incredible. | 所以我认为这是不可思议的。 |
| 930 | It's creating all kinds of jobs. | 造种种业. |
| 931 | A lot of people don't see data centers | 很多人看不到数据中心 |
| 932 | as a manufacturing story. | 作为一个制造故事。 |
| 933 | So I think it's interesting. | 所以我觉得很有趣。 |
| 934 | That's right. | 没错 |
| 935 | Yeah, it's just a new version of manufacturing. | 是啊,这只是一个新版本的制造。 |
| 936 | Just as I said earlier, | 正如我刚才所说, |
| 937 | power generation, it's industry. | 发电,这是工业。 |
| 938 | Power generation is industrial. | 发电为工业. |
| 939 | And you have people in there that's building these factories | 里面有人在建这些工厂 |
| 940 | and it has to be built. | 它必须建造。 |
| 941 | It's built by builders. | 由建筑师建造. |
| 942 | And data centers are just manufacturing the new version. | 数据中心正在制造新版本。 |
| 943 | And this new version of manufacturing products | 而这个新版本的制造产品 |
| 944 | is invisible. | 是无形的。 |
| 945 | It's numbers. | 这是数字。 |
| 946 | I know it's weird to be manufacturing numbers, | 我知道制造数字很奇怪 |
| 947 | but that's essentially what it is. | 但基本上就是这样 |
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