进入后人类时代，我们是否正在变蠢？|全球著名哲学家斯拉沃伊·
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| 0:00 | What type will be this? | 这算什么类型? |
| 0:01 | Do I give you a short discourse or it's quick exchange, how it is planned? | 我是不是给你一个简短的论述,还是快速的交换,它是如何计划的? |
| 0:05 | Oh, no, it's fairly free-flowing, so I'll ask a question and you can just go on. | 哦,不,这是相当自由流通, 所以我会问一个问题,你可以继续。 |
| 0:10 | That's not good to say to me. | 这对我不好 |
| 0:14 | Because then, let's say you ask me a question and you stop me at 10 to 2. | 因为那样的话 你就问我一个问题 然后10比2阻止我 |
| 0:20 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 0:21 | If I want to come in, I'll just go like that. | 如果我想进来 我就像这样走 |
| 0:24 | No, you should be more like this innocent... | 不,你应该 更像这个无辜的... |
| 0:28 | You should be a little bit more explicit, you know. | 你应该更明确一点,你知道的。 |
| 0:39 | Slavoj Zizek, welcome to How the Light Gets In. | 斯拉沃伊·齐泽克 欢迎光之进场 |
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| 1 | What type will be this? | 这算什么类型? |
| 2 | Do I give you a short discourse or it's quick exchange, how it is planned? | 我是不是给你一个简短的论述,还是快速的交换,它是如何计划的? |
| 3 | Oh, no, it's fairly free-flowing, so I'll ask a question and you can just go on. | 哦,不,这是相当自由流通, 所以我会问一个问题,你可以继续。 |
| 4 | That's not good to say to me. | 这对我不好 |
| 5 | Because then, let's say you ask me a question and you stop me at 10 to 2. | 因为那样的话 你就问我一个问题 然后10比2阻止我 |
| 6 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 7 | If I want to come in, I'll just go like that. | 如果我想进来 我就像这样走 |
| 8 | No, you should be more like this innocent... | 不,你应该 更像这个无辜的... |
| 9 | You should be a little bit more explicit, you know. | 你应该更明确一点,你知道的。 |
| 10 | Slavoj Zizek, welcome to How the Light Gets In. | 斯拉沃伊·齐泽克 欢迎光之进场 |
| 11 | It's an honor for me to be here. | 我很荣幸能来这里 |
| 12 | In an age where many say chat GPT can now outsmart humans, where science is often worshipped as the basis of knowledge | 在许多人说聊天的时代,GPT现在可以超越聪明的人类,科学经常被崇拜为知识的基础. |
| 13 | and advancement in behavior is studied under psychology, what's the point of philosophy | 在心理学下研究行为进步 哲学的意义是什么 |
| 14 | and how should we think about the role of philosophy today? | 我们今天该如何思考哲学的作用呢? |
| 15 | I, as I always repeat, I don't think philosophy can provide big answers. | 我,我总是重复,我不认为哲学能够提供大答案. |
| 16 | What philosophers can do, and I agree here even with real scientists like yesterday, | 哲学家能做什么,我在这里同意 真正的科学家,比如昨天, |
| 17 | Carlo Rovelli who was here. | 卡洛・罗维利曾经在这里。 |
| 18 | You know, scientists often operate with a set of inherited traditional concepts. | 科学家们经常用一套传统的概念来操作。 |
| 19 | For example, precisely with quantum physics. | 例如,精确的量子物理. |
| 20 | What does it mean for our notion of time, of movement and so on? | 这对我们的时间、行动等等概念意味着什么? |
| 21 | Here, philosophy enters, or in ecology. | 在这里,哲学进入,或者在生态学. |
| 22 | Yeah, abstractly we all admit we are in deep shit, blah blah, with nature. | 是啊,抽象地,我们都承认 我们深狗屎,等等,与自然。 |
| 23 | But the task of philosophy is to raise the question to what extent is the way we formulate a problem part of the problem. | 但哲学的任务是提出一个问题,即我们提出问题一部分的方式在何种程度上. |
| 24 | What for me, truly dialectical leftist, whatever, philosopher would say to ecology is let's see, | 对我来说,真正的辩证论左派, 不管,哲学家 会说生态,让我们来看看, |
| 25 | because you never perceive a crisis in a general way. | 因为你从不以一般的方式看待危机 |
| 26 | Let's see concretely, and you immediately see, with a conservative ecologist who thinks | 让我们来看看具体,你立即看到, 与保守的生态学家 谁认为 |
| 27 | let's return to old local communities and so on. | 让我们回到旧的当地社区等等。 |
| 28 | We have state ecologists, they were very popular in East Germany, Soviet Union. | 我们有州生态学家,他们在东德,苏联很受欢迎. |
| 29 | We need a well-organized, almost totalitarian state, it didn't work. | 我们需要一个组织严密,几乎是极权主义的国家,它没有发挥作用. |
| 30 | We have capitalist ecologists, even some leftists, who claim you can simply regulate it | 我们有资本主义生态学家,甚至一些左派, 他们声称你可以简单地调节它 |
| 31 | by taxing more products and so on, all that. | 通过对更多的产品征税等等,所有这一切。 |
| 32 | So as a philosopher, my point is not some divine platonic ideas, but very practical orientation. | 所以作为一个哲学家,我的观点并不是一些神圣的柏拉图主义思想,而是非常实用的方向. |
| 33 | Okay, you are saying this, what does it mean in practice? | 好吧,你说这个,这是什么意思 在实践中? |
| 34 | Here things may get me into trouble, but especially, for example, with regard to feminism. | 这里的事情可能会让我陷入麻烦,但尤其比如说女性主义. |
| 35 | I think I can say this honestly, with all my bad jokes, totally pro-feminist, | 我想我可以诚实地说, 和我所有的坏笑话, 完全赞成女权主义者, |
| 36 | but I always suspected that what we vaguely identify as woke or cancel culture and so on, | 但我一直怀疑 我们模糊的认定 唤醒或取消文化等等, |
| 37 | that there is something even upper middle class in it, and that the secret target are ordinary people | 里面有上层中产阶级的东西 秘密目标是普通人 |
| 38 | I know in the United States, in the typical discourse at the university, | 我知道在美国 在大学的典型演讲中 |
| 39 | of course their secret target is, but you know, Hispanics, how they treat women. | 当然,他们的秘密目标是, 但是你知道,西班牙人, 他们如何对待妇女。 |
| 40 | No, for me, struggle, I always like to use this example. | 不,对我来说,斗争,我总是喜欢用这个例子。 |
| 41 | What I didn't like at MeToo is, do you remember when it began to explode in public? | 我对美藤不喜欢的是,你还记得当它开始公开爆炸的时候吗? |
| 42 | It was focused usually on one thing, at a party or in a pub, you men try to pick up a woman | 通常只关注一件事,在派对上或酒吧里, 你们男人试着去接一个女人 |
| 43 | and when do you exert pressure on her, when do you go too far? | 你什么时候对她施压 你什么时候太过分了? |
| 44 | And my argument, and so many women accepted, joyfully this is, listen, okay, okay, | 我的论点,很多女人都接受了, 高兴的是,听着,好吧,好吧, |
| 45 | but for me, the tragedy is not if you are a rising movie star and the producer tells you, | 但对我来说,悲剧不是 如果你是一个上升的电影明星 制片人告诉你, |
| 46 | go to bed with me, otherwise you don't get the role. | 去跟我上床, 否则你不明白这个角色。 |
| 47 | Okay, it can hurt your career, but isn't it the true horror? | 好吧,这会伤害你的事业, 但这不是真正的恐怖吗? |
| 48 | You know who said this once publicly, your leftist actress, Kirsten Stewart. | 你知道是谁公开这么说的 你的左派女演员柯尔斯顿·斯图尔特 |
| 49 | She said, but why just the two of them, producer and director, look around, | 她说,但为什么只有他们两个, 制片人和导演,看看周围, |
| 50 | imagine they're ordinary cleaning ladies, secretaries and so on. | 想象她们是普通的清洁女工,秘书等. |
| 51 | Imagine a woman, that's my, you know, you are in early 30s, from a male chauvinist standpoint, | 想象一下,一个女人,这是我的,你知道, 你是30多岁, 从男性沙文主义的观点, |
| 52 | you are, I'm sorry to say this, it's not my, I prefer older women, but in the dirty sense, | 你是,我很抱歉说, 这不是我的,我更喜欢老年妇女, 但从肮脏的意义上来说, |
| 53 | but you are losing your attraction, you have a husband who doesn't hate you, | 但你失去了你的吸引力 你有不恨你的丈夫 |
| 54 | but more and more ignores you and then, of course, it's this silent agreement, | 但越来越多的人无视你 然后,当然,这是这个沉默的协议, |
| 55 | you have to do a lot of job at home and you don't love him, he doesn't love you, | 你要在家里做很多工作 你不爱他,他不爱你 |
| 56 | but since he earns at least more money, if you have two children, what hope is there for you? | 但既然他至少赚了更多的钱 如果你有两个孩子 你还有什么希望? |
| 57 | You cannot leave children, this is the true horror for me, you know, this everyday constellation, | 你不能离开孩子,这是真正的恐怖 对我来说,你知道,这个日常的星座, |
| 58 | that's why, although they were fascists, I don't like Peronists in Argentina, | 这就是为什么,尽管他们是法西斯主义者, 我不喜欢在阿根廷的培隆主义者, |
| 59 | but Evita Perón did one wonderful thing, did you know this? | 但埃维塔·佩隆做了一件美妙的事,你知道吗? |
| 60 | In 1950, close to her death, it was the first country in the world, | 1950年,在她去世的附近,这是世界上第一个国家, |
| 61 | she introduced a law when women have period if they are employed two days free, | 她提出了一项法律,如果妇女有两天的免费工作时间, |
| 62 | you know, for me, ideology is not something abstract, are you she, they or what, | 你知道,对我来说,意识形态不是抽象的东西, 你是她,他们还是什么, |
| 63 | it's this daily material practices where the true subordination and so on, | 真正从属的日常活动 |
| 64 | and here we philosophers should enter, I think. | 在这里,我们哲学家应该进入,我想。 |
| 65 | So at the beginning you said that the role of philosophy, | 所以一开始你说哲学的作用 |
| 66 | or part of the role is to deconstruct the way we think. | 或部分作用是解构我们的思维方式. |
| 67 | I don't like this term, but I get what you mean, because I'm not a deconstructor. | 我不喜欢这个术语 但我懂你的意思 因为我不是解剖师 |
| 68 | No, you're not a deconstructor, I won't accuse you of that, | 不,你不是一个解构者, 我不会指责你, |
| 69 | but it's to find the problems with what we think, | 但是为了找出我们想的问题 |
| 70 | but you can keep finding problems that exist all the way down | 但你可以继续寻找 一直存在的问题 |
| 71 | to the point at which you're not really saying anything or you can't say anything concrete, | 以至于你什么都不说 或者说不出具体内容 |
| 72 | So how does your understanding of philosophy evolve? | 你对哲学的理解是如何演变的? |
| 73 | No, no, I would be more precise. | 不,不,我会更精确。 |
| 74 | What we have to do is like we all agree, not all, | 我们必须做的是像 我们都同意,不是所有, |
| 75 | there are people like Trump and so on who deny ecological crisis, | 有像特朗普这样的人 否认生态危机, |
| 76 | but most of us hypocritically even agree there is an ecological crisis. | 但我们大多数虚伪的人甚至都认为 存在着生态危机 |
| 77 | The role of a philosopher is not this reduction, | 哲学家的作用不是这种减少, |
| 78 | because then you have to do the other way also. | 因为那样的话,你也必须另类 |
| 79 | These daily practices, how women are treated, do they do the homework and so on, | 这些日常做法, 如何对待妇女, 她们做功课等等, |
| 80 | it's again, and I will now hypocritically rely on a high authority, | 再说一次,我现在要虚伪地依赖一个权威 |
| 81 | which will not be the guy who was here, Corbyn, but my good friend Alvaro Garcia Linerra, | 他不会是那个来过的人 科比恩 但我的好朋友阿尔瓦罗·加西亚·利纳拉 |
| 82 | the ex-Morales vice president. | 前摩拉莱斯副总统 |
| 83 | The whole success of the rule of Morales was that they discovered | 莫拉莱斯统治的全部成功 在于他们发现了 |
| 84 | that this standard Marxist focus on working class, exploited, | 这个标准的马克思主义着重于工人阶级,被剥削, |
| 85 | no longer works in our countries. | 不再在我们各国工作。 |
| 86 | If you have a good position, they're disappearing, permanent job as a factory, | 如果你有一个好职位, 他们正在消失, 永久的工作作为一个工厂, |
| 87 | okay, formally you are exploited, blah, blah, but nonetheless, | 好吧,形式上,你被剥削,等等, 但是, |
| 88 | you have a certain level of life, you know you will be retired, | 你有某种程度的生活, 你知道你会退休, |
| 89 | you will get something, elementary health care and so on. | 你会得到一些东西, 初级保健等等。 |
| 90 | It's almost privileged to have this today. | 今天有这个几乎是荣幸的。 |
| 91 | The big problem of working class today for me is not just Frederick Jameson, | 今天的工人阶级大问题 不只是弗雷德里克・詹姆森 |
| 92 | my just this is good friend had this, that we should also talk about ecological exploitation, | 我的好朋友有这个 我们应该谈谈生态开发 |
| 93 | like what is happening with new forms of mining where you don't exploit any person, | 就像新矿井发生的事情一样 在那里你没有剥削任何人, |
| 94 | you just ruin their environment. | 你只是毁了他们的环境。 |
| 95 | It happens with Inuits in Canada, in Peru and so on. | 它在加拿大,秘鲁等地与因纽特人发生. |
| 96 | So this form exploitation, then the unpaid implicit, | 因此,这种形式的剥削, 然后无报酬的隐含, |
| 97 | it's not women in the strict Marxist sense who stays at home, does the work, | 从马克思主义的严格意义上讲 留在家里工作的人不是女人 |
| 98 | they are not exploited in the formal sense. | 他们没有在形式上被利用。 |
| 99 | Exploitation means the capitalist owns the means of production, | 剥削是指资本家拥有生产资料, |
| 100 | but their unpaid work is crucial for the system. | 但他们的无报酬工作对联合国系统至关重要。 |
| 101 | Without their unpaid work, the system wouldn't function. | 没有他们的无偿工作,这个系统就无法运作. |
| 102 | And my mega example is this is where I up to a point agree with the guy who is, | 我最伟大的例子是 我同意那个家伙的观点 |
| 103 | I think, already crawling around here. | 我想,已经在这里爬行。 |
| 104 | This means if I talk like this of him, that he is my friend, Yanis Varoufakis, | 这意味着如果我这样说话 他就是我的朋友 亚尼斯·瓦鲁法基斯 |
| 105 | that precarious work and then these agencies, | 那些不稳定的工作,然后是这些机构, |
| 106 | the new federal agencies like Uber and so on, | 新的联邦机构 像Uber等等, |
| 107 | who they claim we don't exploit anyone. | 他们声称我们不剥削任何人 |
| 108 | If you are Uber driver, you own your means of production. | 如果你是Uber司机,你拥有你的生产资料。 |
| 109 | We just bring together the two sides, you know, | 我们只是召集了双方,你知道, |
| 110 | people who want what you are offering and you. | 想要你提供的东西的人 还有你 |
| 111 | You know what's so ingenious here that the ideology is even an Uber driver. | 你知道什么是那么的天才 在这里,意识形态甚至是一个Uber驱动器。 |
| 112 | He is a small capitalist. | 他是一个小资本家。 |
| 113 | You know, we are all small capitalists, | 我们都是小资本家 |
| 114 | and here they misuse terribly the term of freedom. | 他们在这里滥用自由的名词 |
| 115 | You are free. | 你自由了,你自由了 你自由了 你自由了,你自由了 |
| 116 | You can stay off just when you want. | 你可以在你想时就离开 |
| 117 | So you are given false freedom. | 所以,你得到了虚假的自由。 |
| 118 | At the same time, I like this, | 同时,我喜欢这样 |
| 119 | you don't perceive the company as your competitor, | 你不认为公司是你的竞争对手, |
| 120 | but other drivers. | 但其他车手 |
| 121 | So, you know, it's as if there is a struggle among workers themselves. | 所以,你知道,这就像工人之间的斗争。 |
| 122 | This is the most ingenious invention of today's capitalism. | 这是今天资本主义最有创意的发明. |
| 123 | It's more brutal, uncertainty exploitation, | 这是更残酷的,不确定的剥削, |
| 124 | but in a form of freedom, like as a guy who believes in this. | 但以自由的形式, 像一个人谁相信这一点。 |
| 125 | Explain to me. | 解释给我听 |
| 126 | Let's say you have $5,000, and you can freely decide. | 假设你有5000美元,你可以自由决定. |
| 127 | Will you go to a holiday? | 你会去度假吗? |
| 128 | Will you put it into education of your son? | 你会用它来教育你的儿子吗? |
| 129 | Will you whatever? | 你愿意吗? |
| 130 | You know, this ideology of we are all small capitalists. | 我们的意识形态都是小资本家 |
| 131 | So it's very, that's my lesson. | 因此,这是非常,这是我的教训。 |
| 132 | It's very important in a complex social situation, | 在一个复杂的社会形势下 这很重要 |
| 133 | which form do you put forward as the, | 你们曾提出什么形式, |
| 134 | sorry for this old-fashioned, almost Stalinist term, | 对于这个古老的,几乎是斯大林主义的术语, |
| 135 | as the typical one? | 作为典型的? |
| 136 | You know where it was wonderful ideological operation here. | 你知道这里有很棒的意识形态行动 |
| 137 | You are too young to remember | 你年纪太小,不记得了 |
| 138 | when Thatcher was followed by John Major. | 当撒切尔被约翰·马杰跟踪时 |
| 139 | You remember all of a sudden, | 你突然记得 |
| 140 | when financial crisis so-called began, | 当所谓的金融危机开始的时候, |
| 141 | one specific figure was elevated into what I call | 一个具体的数字被提升为我所说的 |
| 142 | in Hegelian terms, concrete universality. | 以黑格尔语来说, 具体的普遍性。 |
| 143 | A particular case which embodied | 体现于 |
| 144 | what conservatives have called young unmarried mother, woman. | 保守派认为年轻未婚母亲是女人 |
| 145 | There is violence among the young people. | 青年人中间存在着暴力。 |
| 146 | Yeah, because she's not married, cannot control the child. | 是啊,因为她没有结婚, 不能控制孩子。 |
| 147 | People are on drugs. | 人服药. |
| 148 | Yes, because she didn't control them and so on. | 是的,因为她没有控制他们等等。 |
| 149 | All of a sudden, this figure of a young unmarried mother | 突然间,这个年轻未婚母亲的身材 |
| 150 | became the symbol of all that is wrong. | 成为一切错误的象征。 |
| 151 | This is, I think, most that philosophy can and should do. | 我认为,大多数哲学可以而且应该这样做。 |
| 152 | We've talked about the role of philosophy in politics, | 我们讨论过哲学在政治中的作用 |
| 153 | but I want to talk a little bit about the role of philosophy in science. | 但我想谈谈哲学在科学中的作用。 |
| 154 | So you've recently taken part in panels | 你最近参加过小组 |
| 155 | with people like Roger Penrose, Sean Caro, | 和罗杰·彭罗斯 肖恩·卡罗之类的人 |
| 156 | Roger Penrose was a total failure, unfortunately, | 罗杰·彭罗斯是个彻底失败的人 不幸的是 |
| 157 | because we simply, and it's my guilt, | 因为我们只是,这是我的内疚, |
| 158 | they, by they I mean Sabine Hosenthalder and Roger Penrose, | 他们 我是说萨宾·霍森塔尔德和罗杰·彭罗斯 |
| 159 | they were narrowly in their space. | 他们的空间很窄 |
| 160 | And I like brutally attacked them with my generalities. | 我喜欢用我的通俗来残酷攻击他们 |
| 161 | So the problem is, without God, | 所以问题是,没有上帝, |
| 162 | can we think, is it possible to think reality | 我们能否思考现实 |
| 163 | as in itself ontologically simply incomplete, | 从本体学上来说, |
| 164 | not fully structured? | 结构不全? |
| 165 | But I agree, sorry to interrupt. | 但我同意 抱歉打断你 |
| 166 | But more recently, Carlo Rovelli, I just... | 但最近,卡洛罗维利,我只是... |
| 167 | As you can see, could see yesterday, | 如你所见,昨天可以看到, |
| 168 | there is a difference, there is instant love, you know that. | 有区别,有即时的爱,你知道的。 |
| 169 | What have you learnt from those debates, | 你从这些辩论中学到了什么? |
| 170 | or what are you seeking to... | 还是你想... |
| 171 | And what do you seek maybe to teach people if you are? | 如果你是,你可能想教别人什么? |
| 172 | No, no, no, I'm not that arrogant philosopher | 不,不,不,我不是那个傲慢的哲学家 |
| 173 | who knows better than themselves what and so on. | 谁比自己更清楚什么,等等。 |
| 174 | Up to a point, I can do what Rovelli himself admits. | 我可以做罗维利自己承认的事 |
| 175 | Rovelli knows with all his good colleagues, | 罗维利和所有好同事都知道 |
| 176 | his, which is the political terms, | 他的,这是政治条件, |
| 177 | partner, lover, significant other, Francesca Vidotto and so on. | 搭档、情人、重要人物 弗朗西斯卡·维多托等等 |
| 178 | They are aware that the time of Copenhagen orthodoxy is over. | 他们意识到,哥本哈根正统时代已经结束。 |
| 179 | Copenhagen orthodoxy meant | 哥本哈根正统 |
| 180 | don't even think about ontological question, | 甚至不要考虑本体论的问题, |
| 181 | shut up and calculate, you know. | 闭嘴,计算一下 |
| 182 | But today it became necessary to raise the question, | 但今天必须提出这个问题, |
| 183 | what is the status of wave function, | 波函数的状态是什么? |
| 184 | and at this point, the worst kind of philosophy enters. | 此时,最糟糕的哲学进入。 |
| 185 | Many scientists, I don't criticize them for what they are doing, | 很多科学家,我不批评 他们在做什么, |
| 186 | but for how often they adopt the worst vulgar philosophy. | 但他们常常采用最粗俗的哲学 |
| 187 | Like you have many quantum physicists who claim | 就像你有很多量子物理学家声称 |
| 188 | that was what Carlo was attacking yesterday. | 这就是卡罗昨天所攻击的 |
| 189 | Observation only constitutes reality, so we are back in subject... | 观察只是构成现实, 所以我们回到主题... |
| 190 | That's one point. | 这是一点。 |
| 191 | Second, much more important point is the basic philosophical one. | 第二,更重要的是基本哲学。 |
| 192 | I try to remain a materialist, | 我试图保持一个唯物主义者, |
| 193 | but I think that to really account for human subjectivity, | 但我认为 真正考虑到人的主观性, |
| 194 | you cannot do it within the frame of this old notion of materialism, | 你不能在这种唯物主义的旧观念框架内做到这一点, |
| 195 | which is very primitive one. | 这是非常原始的。 |
| 196 | Empty space and look, look, small balls of matter fly there. | 空空的空间,看看,看, 小球物质飞在那里。 |
| 197 | Here, I think, quantum physics does it, and most important, | 在这里,我认为,量子物理学这样做, 最重要的是, |
| 198 | I think that if you apply the model, basic model, | 我认为如果你应用模型,基本模型, |
| 199 | I simplify to the utmost, of quantum mechanics, | 我尽量简化量子力学 |
| 200 | which is this idea of super positions of states, | 这就是超级国家地位的想法, |
| 201 | and then collapse, which is a contingent collapse, | 然后倒塌, 这是一种或有倒塌, |
| 202 | and attached with this, the notion of hologram, | 并附有全息图的概念, |
| 203 | which means at every moment, after we have a collapse, | 这意味着在我们崩溃后的每一刻 |
| 204 | other alternatives don't simply disappear, | 其他选择不会消失的 |
| 205 | but they are retroactively constructed as part of a new narrative, | 但它们被追溯作为新叙述的一部分, |
| 206 | this idea of changing the past, not magically, | 改变过去的想法 不是神奇的 |
| 207 | what happened, happened, but part of... | 发生了什么事,发生了,但一部分... |
| 208 | This is what we should apply today to history. | 这就是我们今天应当应用于历史。 |
| 209 | With all my respect for Marx, where I'm critical of Marx | 我非常尊重马克思 我对马克思的批评 |
| 210 | is that there still is very strongly present | 仍然存在着非常强烈的 |
| 211 | a kind of progressive evolution or teleology, you know, | 一种进步的进化 或电信学,你知道, |
| 212 | like he is open, we may screw it up, | 像他打开,我们可能会搞砸了, |
| 213 | but basically history is moving towards socialism, communism, | 但基本上历史正在走向社会主义,共产主义, |
| 214 | whatever you say, no? | 无论你说什么,不? |
| 215 | And it's not even enough what Rosa Luxemburg said, | 而罗莎·吕克森堡说的还不够 |
| 216 | everybody likes to, the future will be socialism or barbarism. | 每个人都喜欢,未来将是社会主义或野蛮。 |
| 217 | No, Stalin proves that it can be both at the same time. | 不,斯大林证明它可以同时是两个。 |
| 218 | No, sorry, to go back, we are today in a situation where we, | 不,对不起,回去,我们今天 处于一个情况,我们, |
| 219 | precisely in a situation of super positions, | 正是在超级位置的情况下 |
| 220 | it's an open situation, maybe a new barbarism will prevail, | 这是一个开放的局面, 也许新的野蛮将盛行, |
| 221 | where there will be islands of relative safety, | 将有一个相对安全的岛屿, |
| 222 | and in other parts of the world, what happens now, | 在世界其他地方,现在发生的事, |
| 223 | I know very well the situation, it may surprise you, | 我非常清楚情况,你可能会惊讶 |
| 224 | I mean, Democratic Republic of Congo, Congo, | 我的意思是,刚果民主共和国,刚果, |
| 225 | and not so much Rwanda, but Sudan, not less south. | 而不是太多的卢旺达, 但苏丹,而不是更南端。 |
| 226 | Companies are, society is in decay there. | 公司是, 社会在衰败那里。 |
| 227 | So I think that we cannot rely on any higher historical necessity. | 因此我认为,我们不能依赖任何更高的历史必要性。 |
| 228 | We live in an open situation. | 我们生活在一个开放的局势中。 |
| 229 | It's up to us, history is not predetermined. | 由我们决定,历史不是预先确定的. |
| 230 | You're talking about the predetermination of history. | 你说的是历史的先决 |
| 231 | In 1989, you said the ideology of progress | 1989年,你说进步的意识形态 |
| 232 | is the greatest obstacle to truly progressing, | 是真正进步的最大障碍, |
| 233 | and more recently you wrote a series of essays called Against Progress. | 最近你写了一系列题为“反对进步”的论文。 |
| 234 | What's the problem that you have with progress? | 进步有什么问题? |
| 235 | At a couple of levels. | 在几个层次。 |
| 236 | First, I think progress is not a global notion. | 首先,我认为进步不是一个全球概念。 |
| 237 | You absolutely should avoid this idea, you know, | 你绝对应该避免这个想法,你知道的, |
| 238 | stones, minerals, crystals, plants, animals, then humans. | 石头 矿物 晶体 植物 动物 然后是人类 |
| 239 | No, I'm not saying these narratives are wrong. | 不,我不是说这些叙事是错误的。 |
| 240 | I'm saying that they are constructed always retroactively. | 我是说它们总是有追溯力的 |
| 241 | When one orientation wins, it rewrites history. | 当一个方向获胜时,它会改写历史. |
| 242 | Marx is here ambiguous, but at some point in Grundrisse, | 马克思在这里模棱两可 但是在格伦德里斯的某个时候 |
| 243 | he's on the right track. | 他在正确的轨道上。 |
| 244 | You know, when he said that this sounds very teleological, | 你知道,当他说 这听起来很灵敏, |
| 245 | that the anatomy of a man is key to the anatomy of the ape. | 人类的解剖学是人猿解剖学的关键 |
| 246 | No, this doesn't mean man was the natural goal of development. | 不,这并不意味着人类是发展的自然目标。 |
| 247 | He meant quite by chance, out of apes or whoever, humans developed. | 他的意思是相当偶然的, 出自人猿或任何人,人类发展。 |
| 248 | And once we are humans, the past appears to us as progressive. | 一旦我们是人类,过去在我们看来是进步的。 |
| 249 | Marx says the same about capitalism. | 马克思对资本主义也这么说. |
| 250 | It offers us a clue of all past history, but he is very clear. | 它为我们提供了过去历史的线索,但他非常清楚。 |
| 251 | He says, but the fact that capitalism happened in Europe, et cetera, | 他说,但事实上 资本主义发生在欧洲,等等, |
| 252 | it could not have happened, | 这不可能发生, |
| 253 | and you would have a totally different story and so on. | 你会有一个完全不同的故事等等。 |
| 254 | I like this idea of how, and I, since I'm still a shitty male chauvinist romantic, | 我喜欢这个想法如何, 而我,因为我仍然是 一个低劣的男性沙文主义浪漫, |
| 255 | my favorite example here is love. | 我最喜欢的例子是爱情 |
| 256 | How it's a little bit like love, you know, you walk on the street, | 就像爱情一样,你走在街上 |
| 257 | you sleep on a banana, a lady helps you. | 你睡在香蕉上,一个女士帮你。 |
| 258 | Oh, maybe it's the love of your life. | 哦,也许这是你的爱生活。 |
| 259 | And then, of course, you retroactively reconstructed, | 然后,当然,你追溯重建, |
| 260 | everything was predestined, all the life I was waiting to meet you. | 一切都是注定的 我等了你一辈子 |
| 261 | Yes, you should say this, once it happens. | 是的,你应该说,一旦它发生。 |
| 262 | And that's for me also the deepest aspect of Hegelian dialectics. | 这也是黑格尔辩证法最深的一面。 |
| 263 | It's not that everything is necessary. | 并不是说一切必要. |
| 264 | It's that in a complex situation, when one tendency wins, | 在一个复杂的情况下 当一种倾向获胜时 |
| 265 | it establishes itself as necessary. | 它证明自己是必要的。 |
| 266 | Necessity is always a contingent category. | 危急情况总是一种情况。 |
| 267 | What in a certain situation prevails as a necessity is contingent. | 在特定情况下,作为必要条件的主导是有条件的。 |
| 268 | You know whom I like here? | 你知道我喜欢谁吗? |
| 269 | He is very close to quantum physics. | 他非常接近量子物理学 |
| 270 | You know the guy who unfortunately died? | 你知道那个不幸死去的人吗? |
| 271 | David Greber. | 大卫·格里伯. |
| 272 | His famous analysis, for example, of Inca society. | 他著名的分析,例如印加社会. |
| 273 | How they said it's not just this sacrificing children, brutality. | 他们怎么说的 不仅仅是牺牲儿童 野蛮 |
| 274 | No, there was also a totally opposite, much more in our terms. | 不,还有一个完全相反的, 更多的就我们来说。 |
| 275 | Democratic tendency. | 民主倾向. |
| 276 | And this is my idea about, going back nonetheless to your question, | 这就是我的想法, 回到你的问题, |
| 277 | about progress. | 关于进展。 |
| 278 | Always, we should be obsessed by this. | 永远,我们应该沉迷于这个。 |
| 279 | Always raise the question, who paid the price of the progress? | 总是提出问题,谁为进步付出代价? |
| 280 | This brings me back even with your, I think you mentioned this before, | 这让我想起你,我想你以前提到过, |
| 281 | artificial intelligence and so on. | 人工智能等. |
| 282 | It's a mega great thing. | 这是一件非常伟大的事情。 |
| 283 | But look what is already happening. | 但看看已经发生了什么。 |
| 284 | And I'm not saying it's necessarily a catastrophe. | 我不是说那一定是一场灾难。 |
| 285 | Do you know that all around the world they are measuring IQ? | 你知道全世界都在测智商吗? |
| 286 | And I don't want to enter into this problem. | 我不想进入这个问题。 |
| 287 | I know it's real. | 我知道这是真的。 |
| 288 | Are there implicitly racist criteria? | 是否存在含蓄的种族主义标准? |
| 289 | The point is that they are measuring it all the time in the same way. | 关键是,他们总是用同样的方式测量它。 |
| 290 | Do you know that according to all data from India, South Africa, United States, | 你知道根据来自印度、南非、美国的所有数据 |
| 291 | till 2010 the average IQ was slightly getting up? | 直到2010年,平均智商略有上升? |
| 292 | After 2010 we are getting more and more stupid. | 2010年后,我们变得越来越蠢。 |
| 293 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 294 | And here is the danger that I see. | 我所看到的是危险 |
| 295 | It's at the same time an incredible plasticity and so on. | 其同时是不可思议的可塑性等. |
| 296 | But you know the joke, everybody knows it, | 但你知道这个笑话 每个人都知道 |
| 297 | that I used what would be ideal sex today. | 今天我用的是理想的性爱 |
| 298 | It should be a lady, sorry. | 应该是一个女士,对不起。 |
| 299 | None of you. | 没有你们 |
| 300 | I don't want to insult you. | 我不想侮辱你。 |
| 301 | We have a date. | 我们有个约会 |
| 302 | We say, yes, we will do it. | 我们说,是的,我们会做到这一点。 |
| 303 | But what happens? | 但会发生什么? |
| 304 | I come. | 我来 |
| 305 | You come with your plastic electric dildo. | 你带着你的塑胶电筒来 |
| 306 | I come with the plastic vagina. | 我带着塑料的阴道 |
| 307 | And what we do is, that's for me ideal sex today. | 而我们做的是, 那是我的理想性今天。 |
| 308 | We sit down, you put your dildo into my vagina, | 我们坐下,你把你的阴道在我的阴道, |
| 309 | we reconnect them and they are buzzing. | 我们重新连接他们,他们正在嗡嗡叫。 |
| 310 | And we can say, wonderful, the machine is doing sex, | 我们可以说,太棒了,机器在做爱, |
| 311 | we can now have a nice chat, drink tea. | 我们现在可以好好聊聊 喝茶了 |
| 312 | Isn't something the same doing today? | 今天不也是一样吗? |
| 313 | It's horrible what is happening in academia. | 学术界发生的事情很可怕 |
| 314 | You have all these free access journals, | 你有这些免费的期刊, |
| 315 | but you know how they function. | 但你知道他们的功能 |
| 316 | Already some people suspect the majority of texts | 已经有人怀疑大部分的文字 |
| 317 | are written by chat GPT. | 由聊天GPT编写. |
| 318 | Then many of these journals use chat, they fake reviewers, | 然后很多这些杂志都用聊天, 他们伪造的审查员, |
| 319 | use chat GPT to review the text. | 使用聊天 GPT 来审查文本。 |
| 320 | And then the so-called readers, quite a lot of them, | 然后,所谓的读者, 很多, |
| 321 | use chat GPT to read the review and give you a one-page summary | 使用聊天的 GBT 阅读评论并给出一页摘要 |
| 322 | or whatever. | 还是什么的。 |
| 323 | So all the machine is working, we are out. | 所以所有的机器都在工作, 我们退出。 |
| 324 | Now does this simply mean maybe it's not bad? | 现在,这是否只是意味着 也许它不坏? |
| 325 | We can reflect, do nice things, listen to music. | 我们可以反省 做好事 听音乐 |
| 326 | No, because the other side of this machines are doing | 不,因为机器的另一边在做 |
| 327 | is that machines are also including us. | 机器也包括我们 |
| 328 | Like my real fear, I wrote a book on it, | 就像我真正的恐惧 我写了一本书 |
| 329 | 是伊隆·穆斯克所说的Neuralink, | |
| 330 | but Zuckerberg is also doing it. | 但是扎克伯格也这么做了 |
| 331 | This frightens me maybe. | 这也许让我害怕 |
| 332 | It will not be so bad, just know. | 它不会那么糟糕,只是知道。 |
| 333 | This idea of a direct link between not just my brain, | 这个想法是直接连接 不只是我的大脑, |
| 334 | the flow of my thoughts and the digital machine. | 我的思想和数码机器的流逝 |
| 335 | This means that the one who controls the machine | 这意味着控制机器的人 |
| 336 | can up to a point literally control my thinking, | 可以控制我的思想, |
| 337 | implant it and so on. | 植入它之类的。 |
| 338 | And our basic notion of freedom is, and it's good. | 我们关于自由的基本概念是,这是很好的。 |
| 339 | I am here in my thoughts, I am free. | 我在这里在我的思想, 我自由。 |
| 340 | Reality is out there. | 现实是存在的。 |
| 341 | This will no longer hold. | 这已经不再有效了。 |
| 342 | And sorry for being a dirty old man, | 和对不起作为一个肮脏的老人, |
| 343 | but this will be horrible for sex, you know. | 这对性来说是可怕的 |
| 344 | Let's say I exchange glances with some potential partner. | 假设我和一些潜在的搭档交换一下 |
| 345 | No flirting, no, we just, our brains are connected. | 不调情,不,我们只是, 我们的大脑是相连的。 |
| 346 | Yes, yes, okay, we both want and so on. | 是的,是的,好吧,我们都想要等等。 |
| 347 | It will do something. | 它会做一些事情。 |
| 348 | I'm too stupid to predict what. | 我太蠢了,无法预测什么。 |
| 349 | But I really think that those who claim | 但我真的认为那些声称 |
| 350 | we are entering into a post-human era are right here. | 我们进入人类后时代就在这里 |
| 351 | I'm not just a pessimist that we will be robots and so on. | 我不仅仅是一个悲观主义者 我们将会成为机器人等等。 |
| 352 | I don't know what. | 不知何为. |
| 353 | I only think that some of the basic presuppositions, | 我只是认为一些基本假设, |
| 354 | automatic of being a human being will have to be rethought. | 自动成为人必须重新思考。 |
| 355 | So you think Steven Pinker's notion | 所以你认为史蒂芬·平克的想法 |
| 356 | that you can use rationality to achieve progress | 以理性实现进步 |
| 357 | is just completely off the cards? | 刚刚完全没有牌? |
| 358 | You know, I'm all for rationality. | 你知道,我所有的理性。 |
| 359 | I'm very even Eurocentric and so on. | 我甚至非常欧洲中心等等。 |
| 360 | But you know, it's so typical that precisely people | 但你知道,它是如此的典型 确切的人 |
| 361 | who refer to rationality are usually, | 他们提到理性通常是, |
| 362 | then in their private life, | 在他们的私人生活中, |
| 363 | so full of superstitions, madness and so on and so on. | 充满迷信 疯狂等等 |
| 364 | For example, in Slovenia, there was a group of people | 例如,在斯洛文尼亚,有一群人 |
| 365 | who tried to do this Celtic mysticism, | 他试图做这个凯尔特神秘主义, |
| 366 | build some sacred sword which will... | 造出圣剑... |
| 367 | They were all quantum scientists, biologists and so on. | 他们都是量子科学家,生物学家等等。 |
| 368 | You know, I think that precisely to maintain its rationality, | 我认为为了保持它的理性 |
| 369 | science needs philosophy, otherwise it gets lost. | 科学需要哲学, 否则它会丢失。 |
| 370 | The point is here more generally definition of rationality. | 这里的要点是更普遍地定义理性. |
| 371 | What do you mean by rationality? | 你说理性是什么意思? |
| 372 | It's just this instrumental rationality. | 这只是这种工具性理性。 |
| 373 | I want this. | 我要这个。 |
| 374 | For example, I want pleasure, eat, sex and so on. | 例如,我想要快乐,吃,性等等. |
| 375 | Here, the philosophical aspect of psychoanalysis | 在这里,心理分析的哲学方面 |
| 376 | becomes very important. | 变得非常重要。 |
| 377 | I think, as a Freudian, | 我想,作为一个弗洛伊德人, |
| 378 | that the most stupid element in American constitution | 美国宪法中最愚蠢的内容 |
| 379 | is that famous, you know, pursuit of happiness. | 这是著名的,你知道,追求幸福。 |
| 380 | No, if there is a definition of human being, | 不,如果有 人类的定义, |
| 381 | it is we are beings who systematically | 我们是系统化的生物 |
| 382 | self-sabotage their pursuit of happiness. | 自我破坏他们追求幸福 |
| 383 | So we have to ask, what do you... | 所以我们得问,你... |
| 384 | If you are just a rationalist, | 如果你只是一个理性主义者, |
| 385 | you usually just presuppose that | 你通常只是假设 |
| 386 | if you proceed in a rational way, | 如果你以理性的方式行事 |
| 387 | problems will be so blah, blah, blah. | 问题会很复杂 |
| 388 | But what does it mean to be rational? | 但理性的意义是什么? |
| 389 | How do you, as a rationalist, answer the debate | 你作为一个理性主义者,如何回答辩论 |
| 390 | that I had yesterday with Lawson? | 昨天我和劳森在一起? |
| 391 | No? | 是吗? |
| 392 | Like plurality of truth and so on and so on. | 如多元真言等. |
| 393 | What would you say as a rationalist? | 作为理性主义者你会怎么说? |
| 394 | If you are an honest rationalist, | 如果你是一个诚实的理性主义者, |
| 395 | you should accept the result | 您应该接受结果 |
| 396 | that every rational logic | 每一个理性的逻辑 |
| 397 | has some implicit presuppositions. | 有一些隐含的假设。 |
| 398 | Like, if you say only in a rational way, | 喜欢,如果你只说 理性的方式, |
| 399 | we can reach peace and happiness. | 我们可以实现和平与幸福。 |
| 400 | Oh, oh, oh, what do you mean by happiness? | 哦,哦,哦,你是什么意思 快乐? |
| 401 | What do you mean by peace? | 你说和平是什么意思? |
| 402 | Do we want peace at all and so on? | 我们要和平吗? |
| 403 | So in this sense, I am even for more rationality. | 因此从这个意义上讲,我甚至更理性。 |
| 404 | Just rationality is authentically a dialectical notion. | 理性是真正的辩证概念。 |
| 405 | It has to, not just in this common sense, | 它必须,不只是在这个常识, |
| 406 | question itself, question its presuppositions. | 质疑自己,质疑其预设. |
| 407 | As a philosopher, I always ask, | 作为一个哲学家,我总是问, |
| 408 | but what is already secretly implied | 但是已经暗含的 |
| 409 | in what you are saying? | 你在说什么? |
| 410 | And an elementary philosophical approach | 和基本哲学方法 |
| 411 | tells you immediately that. | 马上告诉你 |
| 412 | Rationalists, for example, I will give an example | 比如说,我举个例子 |
| 413 | because of which Steven Pinker himself, I know, | 因为史蒂芬·平克本人 我知道 |
| 414 | he doesn't like me. | 他不喜欢我 |
| 415 | In one of my books, I attacked him | 在我的一本书里,我攻击了他 |
| 416 | when he tries to explain | 当他试图解释 |
| 417 | why we don't understand | 为什么我们不明白 |
| 418 | how our consciousness emerges. | 我们的意识是如何出现的 |
| 419 | And he gives a simple evolutionary answer, | 他给出了一个简单的进化答案, |
| 420 | which is maybe up to a point correct, | 这也许有一点是正确的, |
| 421 | that consciousness, the problems | 意识,问题 |
| 422 | our mind is equipped to deal with, | 我们的头脑是能够应付的, |
| 423 | are problems of survival, | 是生存问题, |
| 424 | like we have a good mind to flirt, to cheat, | 就像我们有一个很好的 调情,欺骗, |
| 425 | to lie in sexual seduction, | 说谎的诱惑, |
| 426 | or to collaborate with others. | 或与他人合作。 |
| 427 | So that's what our mind can do. | 这就是我们的思想所能做的。 |
| 428 | But sorry, to know how our mind works | 但是,对不起,知道我们的想法如何运作 |
| 429 | is not part of our evolutionary program. | 这不是我们进化计划的一部分。 |
| 430 | We don't need it. | 我们不需要它。 |
| 431 | And then he uses a totally wrong metaphor. | 然后他用了一个完全错误的比喻。 |
| 432 | He says, in the same way that a rabbit | 他说,同样的方式 一个兔子 |
| 433 | cannot understand differential mathematics, | 无法理解不同的数学, |
| 434 | because it's not in the scope of its survival. | 因为它不在其生存范围。 |
| 435 | You know, for the same reason, | 你知道,出于同样的原因, |
| 436 | we cannot understand our mind and so on. | 我们无法理解我们的思想等等。 |
| 437 | My problem, yeah, but a rabbit also doesn't care | 我的问题,是的,但兔子也不在乎 |
| 438 | about differential mathematics. | 关于不同的数学。 |
| 439 | Why in all the history of humanity, | 为什么在人类的历史上 |
| 440 | we are obsessed with so-called | 我们沉迷于所谓的 |
| 441 | impossible metaphysical questions, | 无法实现的物理问题 |
| 442 | and it turned out this to be | 事实证明 |
| 443 | very productive for science itself. | 对科学本身非常有益 |
| 444 | What began as metaphysical speculation, | 开始于元物理推测, |
| 445 | you go down, that's why I celebrate | 你下去,这就是为什么我庆祝 |
| 446 | quantum mechanics and relativity theory. | 量子力学与相对论. |
| 447 | They even speak in a very nice way | 他们甚至说话的方式非常好 |
| 448 | of experimental metaphysics. | 实验性元物理学。 |
| 449 | Look, till 100 years ago, | 听着,直到100年前 |
| 450 | the question like, do we have a free will? | 我们是否有自由意志? |
| 451 | Is the universe infinite or not? | 宇宙是无限的吗? |
| 452 | These were metaphysical questions. | 这些是物理问题。 |
| 453 | Now they are experimental question | 现在,他们是实验性的问题 |
| 454 | of quantum ontology and so on. | 量子肿瘤学等等。 |
| 455 | So again, I'm absolutely, | 再说一遍,我绝对 |
| 456 | I treat myself as a Eurocentrist, proudly. | 我自豪地把自己当成欧洲中心主义者 |
| 457 | But Eurocentrist in this reflective sense | 但在这个反省意义上的欧洲中心主义者 |
| 458 | of doubting all the time, | 总是怀疑, |
| 459 | questioning your presuppositions. | 质疑你的假设。 |
| 460 | And to move on to something slightly different, | 换成有点不一样的东西 |
| 461 | you're well known for using humor, | 你以幽默著称 |
| 462 | as you have done in this interview, | 正如你在这次采访中所做的那样, |
| 463 | but it's getting darker and darker. | 但越来越暗了 |
| 464 | Getting darker and darker. | 渐渐变暗. |
| 465 | But what is the role of humor in philosophy? | 但幽默在哲学中的角色是什么? |
| 466 | First, I will tell you that all philosophers | 首先,我要告诉你所有哲学家 |
| 467 | are usually quite good of humor. | 通常都很幽默 |
| 468 | I know, but I still think | 我知道 但我仍然认为 |
| 469 | he's a serious guy in philosophy. | 他是个严肃的哲学家 |
| 470 | I know some specialists who read all of Heidegger, | 我知道一些专家 谁读海德格尔的所有, |
| 471 | Martin Heidegger letter. | 马丁·海德格尔的信. |
| 472 | He is the only guy in whose letters, | 他是唯一一个信里的人, |
| 473 | not just big written books, | 不只是大书写, |
| 474 | you do not find not even one humorous remark. | 你连一句幽默的话都找不到 |
| 475 | The only one that I found is after Heidegger | 我唯一找到的就是海德格尔 |
| 476 | met Jacques Lacan, | 遇见雅克·拉坎, |
| 477 | and you know how he characterized Lacan. | 你知道他怎么形容拉坎的吗? |
| 478 | It's not a big joke, but an element. | 这不是一个大笑话,而是一个元素。 |
| 479 | This is a psychiatrist who himself | 这是精神病医生,他自己 |
| 480 | obviously needs a psychiatrist. | 很明显需要心理医生 |
| 481 | So I think that, especially Hegel, | 所以我认为,特别是黑格尔, |
| 482 | Hegelian dialectics has the structure of a joke. | 黑格尔辩证法有笑话的结构. |
| 483 | This is the joke I used yesterday. | 这是我昨天开的玩笑 |
| 484 | It's very Hegelian about, you know, | 这是非常黑格尔人 关于,你知道, |
| 485 | Trump as God, God turns around, | 特朗普像上帝,上帝转身 |
| 486 | and there is a moment of reflexive reversal | 并有一个反射逆转的时刻 |
| 487 | with comical reversal, | 与漫画逆转, |
| 488 | which is for me immanent to philosophy, | 这对我来说是哲学的 |
| 489 | and today I use it because what is happening today | 今天我用它 因为今天发生的事情 |
| 490 | when terms are so misused. | 当术语被如此滥用。 |
| 491 | Did you know? | 你知道吗? |
| 492 | When was it? | 什么时候的事? |
| 493 | A week or two ago | 一两周前 |
| 494 | when Trump, United States, | 当特朗普,美国, |
| 495 | accepted 59 refugees from South Africa, | 接受59名来自南非的难民, |
| 496 | and they claim it's Holocaust there. | 他们声称那里是大屠杀 |
| 497 | Sorry, 59 people took their luggage, flew to... | 对不起,59人拿走了行李,飞到... |
| 498 | that's Holocaust, and what? | 这就是大屠杀,什么? |
| 499 | And Gaza is not Holocaust or what? | 加沙不是大屠杀还是什么? |
| 500 | We live in such a crazy world | 我们生活在这样一个疯狂的世界 |
| 501 | where it's not simply the situation is serious, crazy, | 情况很严重很疯狂 |
| 502 | so that we don't get crazy, let's use dark humor. | 以免我们发疯,让我们使用黑暗的幽默。 |
| 503 | There is literally a humor, dark humor, | 有一个幽默,黑暗的幽默, |
| 504 | in the sense of crazy reversals, | 在疯狂的逆转感, |
| 505 | which is part of our reality today. | 这是我们今天现实的一部分。 |
| 506 | My final question. | 我最后的问题 |
| 507 | With the rise of the self-optimization | 随着自我优化的兴起 |
| 508 | and self-improvement industry, | 和自我改进工业, |
| 509 | it's a very fast-growing market. | 这是一个非常快速增长的市场。 |
| 510 | You yourself have written dozens of books, | 你自己写了几十本书 |
| 511 | hundreds of articles, and attend hundreds of events. | 上百篇文章, 并出席数百个活动。 |
| 512 | Do you have a daily routine for productivity? | 你有日常的生产率吗? |
| 513 | No, first I must tell you I have one rule. | 不 首先我得告诉你 我有一条规则 |
| 514 | It's very traditional. | 这是非常传统的。 |
| 515 | That's why all the people here, | 所以这里的人 |
| 516 | apart from Jeremy Corbyn, | 除了杰里米・科宾 |
| 517 | you know who is my best friend, you will never guess? | 你知道谁是我最好的朋友,你永远不会猜到? |
| 518 | Rowan Williams. | 罗文·威廉姆斯. |
| 519 | You are saying this as a Christian. | 你这么说是基督徒 |
| 520 | We'll get there, we'll get there, sorry. | 我们会去的,我们会去的,对不起。 |
| 521 | This is the pitch, this is just the pitch. | 这是投球,这只是投球。 |
| 522 | Because we deeply agree on this, | 因为我们完全同意这一点, |
| 523 | and I'm a materialist, he pretends to be not, | 我是个唯物主义者 他假装不是 |
| 524 | but I think he is. | 但我认为他是。 |
| 525 | You know, this idea that this will sound so horrible. | 你知道,这个想法 这听起来太可怕了。 |
| 526 | I believe in a spiritual sense of life, | 我相信一种精神上的生命感, |
| 527 | but I don't think you should posit happiness | 但我不认为你应该假设幸福 |
| 528 | as your direct goal. | 作为你的直接目标。 |
| 529 | You should have a vocation. | 你应该有一份工作。 |
| 530 | My God, I'm ready to die, I have to do this. | 天啊,我准备死了,我必须这么做 |
| 531 | And then, you should invite him. | 然后 你应该邀请他 |
| 532 | He hates me, but he's intelligent. | 他恨我 但他很聪明 |
| 533 | A Norwegian theorist of action, | 一位挪威的行动理论家, |
| 534 | John, just J-O-N-E-L-S-T-E-R. | 约翰,只是J -O |
| 535 | He developed a wonderful theory of states | 他发展了一个美妙的国家理论 |
| 536 | which are necessarily a byproduct. | 一定是副产品 |
| 537 | Like, for example, if I want to act with dignity, | 比如,如果我想有尊严地行事 |
| 538 | it should be shown in how I act. | 应该用我的行为来证明 |
| 539 | If I say, don't you see, I have dignity, | 如果我说,你不明白吗, 我有尊严, |
| 540 | it's ridiculous. | 这是荒谬的。 |
| 541 | And so I think happiness is something like that. | 所以我觉得幸福就是这样 |
| 542 | If you strive directly for happiness, you ruin it. | 如果你直接争取幸福,你就毁了它。 |
| 543 | And I try to follow it. | 我试着跟着它。 |
| 544 | I'm a total workaholic. | 我是一个完全的工作狂。 |
| 545 | So if you ask me, are there... | 所以,如果你问我, 在那里... |
| 546 | This is almost tragic, but it's literally true. | 这几乎是悲剧,但其实是真的。 |
| 547 | Are there moments when I feel somewhere close to happiness? | 是否有时间让我感到幸福? |
| 548 | Yes. | 对 |
| 549 | When I finish a book, which I think I may be wrong, | 当我完成一本书, 我想我可能错了, |
| 550 | it's good, the manuscript, not then. | 这是很好的,手稿,没有。 |
| 551 | Then I have to make a plan, some basic notes, | 然后,我必须做出一个计划, 一些基本笔记, |
| 552 | what the next book will be. | 下一本书是什么? |
| 553 | And at that point, I can say for a week or two, | 这时候,我可以说 一两周, |
| 554 | let's go off and do something totally crazy. | 让我们去做一些完全疯狂的事情。 |
| 555 | This is something crazy. | 这太疯狂了 |
| 556 | With my son, we go to... | 与我儿子,我们去... |
| 557 | It's better not to say. | 不如别说. |
| 558 | I was in, you know, that sail-like Burj Al Arab hotel in Dubai. | 我当时在迪拜的 类似帆船的Burj Al Arab酒店 |
| 559 | I was there. | 我当时在场。 |
| 560 | I was in Singapore in the most expensive hotel. | 我在新加坡最贵的酒店 |
| 561 | I just do it for a couple of days. | 我只是做了两天。 |
| 562 | This is as much as I tolerate. | 这和我容忍的一样多 |
| 563 | But already there, in the last days, | 但是在过去几天里 |
| 564 | I tell my son, go and play video games. | 我告诉我的儿子,去玩电子游戏。 |
| 565 | So my idea is that, unfortunately, that's my big problem. | 所以我的想法是,不幸的是,这是我的大问题。 |
| 566 | I'm getting old and tired. | 渐渐老倦. |
| 567 | And since I'm absolutely a Protestant, | 既然我绝对是新教徒 |
| 568 | also at the level of sexuality, you know, we have a joke. | 在性方面,我们有一个笑话。 |
| 569 | I don't know where you, British, whatever you are, | 我不知道你在哪里,英国人, 不管你是什么, |
| 570 | British third feet, my idea is that both in Catholicism | 英国三尺,我的想法是 两者在天主教 |
| 571 | and Protestantism, everything is permitted. | 和新教,一切是允许的。 |
| 572 | Just in Catholicism, you should confess it at the end of the week. | 仅仅在天主教中,你应该在周末承认. |
| 573 | In Protestantism, you should feel guilty a little bit. | 在新教中,你应该有点内疚. |
| 574 | What I want to say is that I'm absolutely a Protestant | 我想说的是 我绝对是个新教徒 |
| 575 | in the sense that I literally cannot fall asleep | 我从字面上无法入睡 |
| 576 | if the day was lost and I didn't do some work. | 如果一天被丢失了, 我没有做一些工作。 |
| 577 | By work, for me, of course, I mean reading, writing. | 当然,我是指读书、写作 |
| 578 | I need minimum one hour and a half. | 我需要至少一个半小时。 |
| 579 | If not, then in an atheist way, I think, | 如果不是,那么,以无神论者的方式,我认为, |
| 580 | if God comes, what will I tell him? | 如果上帝来了,我会怎么告诉他? |
| 581 | My existence is not justified. | 我的存在是没有道理的 |
| 582 | Slavoj Žižek, thank you very much. | 斯拉沃伊・日泽克,非常感谢 |
| 583 | I was honored to be here. | 我很荣幸来到这里。 |
| 584 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 585 | We did this bullshit, fuck you, fuck off. | 我们做了这些废话,他妈的,滚开。 |
| 586 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 587 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
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