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0:00So, in many of the experiments which are set out to prove the storage hypothesis, for example因此,在很多实验中, 被设定来证明存储假说,例如
0:07Eric Kendall had his series of Nobel Prize winning experiments on the study of the neuroplasticityEric Kendall在神经弹性研究上 做了一系列诺贝尔奖得主实验
0:12of sea slugs, but in most of these experiments a memory is nothing more than a physiological但是在大多数实验中 记忆只是生理的
0:17response or the product of behavioral reflex conditioning.反应或行为反射调节的产物。
0:23But it's a long way from training, you know, say a gill withdrawal reflex response in a sea slug但是这离训练还有很长的路要走, 你知道,在海弹中说一个 gi退反射反应
0:30to the conscious declarative recollection of the past that we typically speak of in the human case.以自觉的宣示性地回忆了我们通常在人类案件中提到的过去。
0:46Thank you, thank you, thank you so much everyone and thank you to the wonderful Institute of Art谢谢大家,谢谢大家,谢谢大家 感谢艺术学院
0:52and Ideas and the How the Light Gets in Festival.以及节日中的光明
0:54This has been such a special weekend and yeah so这个周末特别
0:58today I'm going to give a talk called Memory is Not Stored in the Brain.今天我要讲一个叫"记忆不存脑"的话题.
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1So, in many of the experiments which are set out to prove the storage hypothesis, for example因此,在很多实验中, 被设定来证明存储假说,例如
2Eric Kendall had his series of Nobel Prize winning experiments on the study of the neuroplasticityEric Kendall在神经弹性研究上 做了一系列诺贝尔奖得主实验
3of sea slugs, but in most of these experiments a memory is nothing more than a physiological但是在大多数实验中 记忆只是生理的
4response or the product of behavioral reflex conditioning.反应或行为反射调节的产物。
5But it's a long way from training, you know, say a gill withdrawal reflex response in a sea slug但是这离训练还有很长的路要走, 你知道,在海弹中说一个 gi退反射反应
6to the conscious declarative recollection of the past that we typically speak of in the human case.以自觉的宣示性地回忆了我们通常在人类案件中提到的过去。
7Thank you, thank you, thank you so much everyone and thank you to the wonderful Institute of Art谢谢大家,谢谢大家,谢谢大家 感谢艺术学院
8and Ideas and the How the Light Gets in Festival.以及节日中的光明
9This has been such a special weekend and yeah so这个周末特别
10today I'm going to give a talk called Memory is Not Stored in the Brain.今天我要讲一个叫"记忆不存脑"的话题.
11Some of you may have read the你们有些人可能读过
12article I wrote for IAI, which bears the same title.我为IAI撰写的文章,标题相同。
13It did cause quite a stir, which I welcomed这确实引起了很大的骚动,我欢迎
14and was very glad about, but today I'm going to go a bit beyond the arguments that I made in that我很高兴,但今天我要去 有点超出我的论点
15article and I'm going to try to present to you my alternative philosophy of memory and we're going文章,我会试着向你介绍 我另一种记忆哲学,我们要去
16to get quite metaphysical and philosophical so I invite you all to let your mind to travel to that我邀请你们大家 让你的头脑去旅行
17place this afternoon.今天下午就在这里
18I've spent more than 10 years meditating upon memory in a scholarly setting我花了十余年在学术环境中沉思记忆
19in an academic philosophy background.在一个学术哲学背景。
20It really took quite a lot to break my mind upon this problem这件事让我很不爽
21and to learn how to watch the intricate dance between the past and the present which is并学习如何观看过去和现在的复杂舞蹈
22always ongoing in our psychological life so hopefully we can touch on some aspects of that我们的心理生活总是在持续 希望我们能触及到一些方面
23today.今时.
24I'd like to begin by saying that my background, my training in philosophy, was informed首先我想说的是,我的背景,我的哲学训练,被告知了
25by a philosophical tradition which has gone on for thousands of years which claims that we can几千年来的哲学传统 声称我们可以
26understand the mind on its own terms and that in fact it won't be very helpful to try to understand理解自己的想法, 并且事实上,它不会非常 帮助尝试理解
27the mind on terms other than itself.除了自己以外,还有其他条件
28Now what does that mean?这是什么意思?
29Well it means that it won't be意思是不会
30particularly helpful to try to understand the mind in terms of say the physical which has been a特别是帮助试图理解 心灵的说, 物理一直是一个
31popular narrative for at least the past 100 years in mainstream philosophy and popular discourse在过去至少100年的主流哲学和流行言论中,
32and I think it's really recently become more apparent in mainstream philosophy as well as我认为这在主流哲学和
33in the culture at large that this attempt to explain the mental by the physical for example在一般文化中,这种试图用身体等来解释精神
34to explain the mind by the brain has not really helped us to explain the mind very much at all用大脑来解释心灵 根本帮不了我们解释心灵
35and if anything it might in fact be just adding one mystery to another.如果有什么事情 它可能只是 增加一个神秘到另一个。
36So what is the mind?那么,这是什么想法?
37Sometimes we refer to it by other terms by consciousness for example or at one point in有时我们用其他词语来称呼它,比如通过意识,或者在某个时候
38time we referred to it as the soul but it doesn't really matter what we call it and in fact sometimes时间,我们把它称为灵魂, 但是它真的不重要 我们称之为它,事实上有时
39the names or terms we use to refer to the mind can distract us or obfuscate the initial reality that我们用来指向心灵的名称或术语 可能会分散我们的注意力 或混淆最初的现实
40we were trying to describe and that's because we all live and know it.我们试图描述,那是因为 我们都活着,知道它。
41In its most basic and在其最基本的和
42bare primitive sense what I'm referring to by your mind is simply the conscious life that you are我指的只是你的意识生活
43experiencing right here and right now.这里和现在
44It's what each of us denotes by the words I or me我们每个人都用我或我的话来表示
45and what is this I?这是什么?
46Well it's something that appears at least to overflow the boundaries嗯,它似乎至少 超越了边界
47of the body.将身体。
48It overflows the boundaries of the body in space because by our vision and它超越了太空中的身体的界限,因为我们的愿景和
49senses we see far beyond the surface of ourselves even up to the stars and it passes beyond it also感觉我们远远超越了自己的表面 甚至到恒星,它也超越它
50in time because by our memory our consciousness peers over the edges of the present moment及时的,因为通过我们的记忆 我们的意识的同伴 在现在的边缘
51into the past and by our will we also anticipate prepare and help to co-create根据我们的意愿,我们还期待筹备和帮助共同创建
52the incoming future.未来
53So besides our body which is delimited by its physical boundaries and position因此,除了我们的身体 被它的物理边界和位置所划分
54in the world confined to the present moment we also have a mind which appears to draw from itself在目前的世界中,我们也有一种思想,似乎从中汲取
55more than the contents that it owes to the senses and which gives back to the matter that surrounds比它欠感官的内容还要多 而且它还给周围的问题
56it more than it already has through this stamp of its creative personality.它已经超过它 通过这个标志 它的创造性个性。
57Well let us grant at那么,让我们给予
58least that this is the appearance of things right now.至少这是现在的事情
59I grew up in a time when the mainstream我在主流时代长大的
60philosopher and the popular scientist alike would give the following swift response.哲学家和受欢迎的科学家都会作出如下迅速反应。
61Well very well不错
62that's all fine and good but this is nothing more than an appearance.这很好,但这只是一个外表。
63You, your mind, your thoughts,你,你的头脑,你的思想,
64this so-called consciousness are in fact just built up like everything else in the world from这种所谓的意识,其实只是像世界上其他所有的东西一样的建立。
65the physical atoms and molecules which by a long process of evolution have come to combine themselves物理原子和分子 通过长期的进化过程 结合了它们自己
66in such a way so as to result in your present bodily configuration.从而形成你现在的身体形态
67This bodily configuration这个身体的构造
68includes a brain, a particularly intricate and impressive union of biochemical compounds that包括大脑,特别复杂和令人印象深刻的生物化学化合物结合
69by its own sheer existence generates or manufactures this mind or consciousness that产生或制造这种思想或意识
70you speak of.你说的
71Perception, that rich and dynamic image of the world that you see around you你所看到的充满活力的世界
72is nothing more than the result of a translation of physical vibrations into representations in仅仅是将物理振动转换成表征的结果
73the brain.大脑
74It is, as contemporary neuroscientist Anil Seth has said, a controlled hallucination.正如当代神经科学家Anil Seth所说,这是受控制的幻觉。
75And what of the memory?那记忆呢?
76Well memory is nothing more than the traces of those impressions left记忆只是留下的痕迹
77upon the cerebral substance.在大脑的物质。
78It's like the residue of perception, the physical record,这就像感知的残余物, 物理记录,
79the groove of experience which is comparable to data stored on a hard drive.与存储在硬盘上的数据可比较的经验沟槽。
80In totality this总之
81consciousness is an after effect, a lingering halo of complex physical processes.意识是一种后遗症,是复杂的物理过程的残余光环。
82Thus if we因此,如果我们
83could explain these physical processes, namely if we could access a total knowledge of the brain可以解释这些物理过程,即如果我们能够获得大脑的全部知识
84and conquer its unknown operations, well then we can explain everything that you philosophers然后我们就可以解释你们这些哲学家的一切
85attribute to this so-called mind.归属于这个所谓的心灵。
86So this is often what is said in the name of science.因此,这常常是科学名义上的说法.
87But we can hardly call this theory scientific if by scientific we mean a theory which is但是,我们很难称这个理论为科学 如果我们在科学中是指一个理论
88observable or demonstrable.可见或可证.
89For even in our present state of technology and neurophysiological即使现在的科技和神经生理状况
90understanding we could not even have a notion of how to go about verifying it.我们甚至无法理解如何进行核查。
91Crack open the打开
92presentations.专题介绍。
93What you can do is observe neural patterns and correlate this activity to你能做的是观察神经规律 并将这种活动与
94psychological reports.心理报告
95But the bridge principles which will link you from one domain to the other但桥梁原则 将你从一个领域连接到另一个领域
96will still be owing to the effort and work of speculative interpretation and previous由于投机性解释的努力和工作以及以往的
97theoretical commitments.理论承诺。
98A young science is always quick to dogmatize and neurophysiology年轻的科学总是会迅速教条化和神经生理
99is a young science.这是一个年轻的科学。
100Having only a limited experience at its disposal it works less so其经验有限,工作较少
101upon the given facts than upon a few simple ideas.依据事实,而不是一些简单的想法。
102For example the principle of reductionism例如,减少原则
103or the idea that there is a one-to-one correspondence between mental life and brain或者认为精神生活和大脑之间 有一对一的对应
104activity, whether or not those principles or ideas are suggested by the facts.活动,无论这些原则或想法是否由事实提出。
105And then it礛
106treats these deductively.把这些从中扣除。
107One begins with the principle that we can seek out conscious facts首先,我们可以找出有意识的事实
108in brain states, that we can find the original mind, consciousness, memory in the translation,在大脑状态,我们可以找到 原始的心灵,意识,记忆 在翻译,
109the brain states, and then for some, for example for eliminative materialists who choose to大脑会说,然后对一些人来说,例如,那些选择去消除物质的主义者。
110eliminate the existence of consciousness altogether, for some this search then ends with完全消除意识的存在, 对于一些这种搜索,然后结束于
111denying the original on the plea that we didn't find it in the translation.在翻译中找不到的抗辩书上否认了原件.
112Well we might as我们也许
113well deny that the Iliad has any meaning because we chose to look in vain for its meaning in the完全否认伊利亚德有任何意义 因为我们选择徒劳地寻找它的意义
114spaces between letters.字母间空格。
115Okay so now let's focus our attention on memory in particular.现在让我们把注意力集中在记忆上
116Well so这么说吧
117the hypothesis that there exists a strict correspondence between mental and physical life心理和生理生活之间存在严格联系的假设
118dates back at least to the 17th century, but it was not until the foundations of the modern至少可以追溯到17世纪 但直到现代的基础
119discipline of neurophysiology in the 19th century that the hopeful vision of achieving this mental在19世纪的神经生理学科 实现这种精神的希望
120cerebral cartography finally gained new ground.大脑制图最终获得了新的基础.
121And specifically it was the localization of具体来说,是本地化
122certain aspects of our memorial capacity within the brain which provided a promising route我们脑部的纪念能力的某些方面 提供了一条很有希望的路线
123for confirming this localization hypothesis broadly speaking.从广义上确认这个本地化假设。
124The critical discovery was关键发现是
125that of Paul Broca in 1861, an autopsy of his aphasiac patient, aphasia is a language disorder保罗·布罗卡1861年的尸检 他的麻痹病人 麻痹是一种语言障碍
126which caused by brain damage which impairs a patient's ability to speak, write, or comprehend导致脑损伤,损害病人说话、写作或理解的能力
127both spoken and written language.语言和书面语言。
128An autopsy revealed a lesion in the left anterior frontal尸检显示左侧前部有损伤
129now known as Broca's region and he concluded that this must be the language area of the cortex现在被称为布罗卡地区,他得出结论,这里必须是皮层的语言区.
130or the part of the brain where memories of words are stored.或大脑中储存文字记忆的部分.
131Now since this time this theory of从这次开始 这个理论
132rather simplistic region-based locationalism has evolved in neuroscientific research towards a more在神经科学研究中,基于区域的位置论已经发展到
133dynamic systems approach which depicts memories as widely distributed across networks of synapses动态系统方法,描述记忆在突触网络中广泛分布
134with different memory systems relying on different intercerebral circuits.不同的内存系统依赖不同的脑间电路.
135But the basic idea that但基本的想法是,
136memory traces are still etched somehow into tissue persists.记忆痕迹仍然刻在组织中
137It's just now this trace is understood as刚才这个痕迹被理解为
138spanning multiple regions involving a distributed ensemble of neurons whose connectivity adapts to跨越多个区域,涉及一个分布式神经元群,其连通性可适应
139experience and reactivation of these connectivity patterns results in retrieval or what we ordinarily这些连通模式的经验和重新启动导致检索或我们通常的检索。
140remember.记住
141I'd say that there are three main problems with the storage hypothesis.我认为存储假说有三个主要问题.
142I'd say我会说
143that there are three categories of problems here.这里有三类问题
144We're not going to obviously deal with all of them我们显然不会对付他们
145nor are we going to deal with them in their detail today because I've dealt with them elsewhere我们今天也不会详细处理他们 因为我在别的地方处理过他们
146namely in my forthcoming book.在我即将出版的书里
147The first of these basic problems may be called the metaphor problem其中第一个基本问题可能被称为比喻问题
148or the conceptual problem and you can read more about this in the article I wrote for IAI.或概念问题 你可以在为IAI写的文章中读到更多关于这一点。
149In essence this is the problem with taking a metaphor such as the storehouse or storage,基本上,这是一个问题 采取比喻,如仓库或储存,
150taking a metaphor and conceiving of it literally.从字面上来说,
151It's the problem of confusing metaphorical language这是混淆比喻语言的问题
152with reality itself and it's also related to what is referred to in philosophy as the也与哲学中所谓的
153myriological problem and this is the problem with taking the brain and attributing or ascribing神经问题,这就是 脑部 和归属或描述的问题
154actions to it which we would typically reserve for the human person.我们通常会为人保留的行动。
155So for example researchers比如说研究人员
156will often say well the brain does this, the brain remembers, the brain decodes, the brain writes,大脑会经常说,大脑这样做, 大脑记得,大脑解码,大脑写,
157the brain reads and you know those aren't really actions that we can properly describe to a brain大脑读,你知道 这些并不是真正 动作,我们可以恰当地描述给大脑
158those are actions that we ascribe to an organism, a human being and that we're then you know这些都是我们描述的 一种生物,一个人类,然后,你知道
159transferring to an organ.转移到一个器官。
160So there's problems with the metaphorical conceptual language that gets因此,有问题 与比喻的概念语言
161deployed in these studies.部署在这些研究中。
162The second set of problems has to do with the neuroscientific第二组问题与神经科学有关
163literature itself.文学本身。
164It is far more technical and involves a systematic interpretation of all the它的技术程度要高得多,需要系统地解释所有
165ways in which these memory studies have not proved that memory is stored in the brain.这些记忆研究没有证明记忆存储在大脑中的方式.
166Again in my再说一遍
167book you can read all of these different ways that these studies are insufficient but these are two你可以读到所有这些不同的方式 这些研究是不够的,但这是两个
168essential conclusions which I can point out and summarize here.我在这里可以指出和总结一些基本结论。
169The first is that more often than第一个是,比起
170not these experiments don't examine memory in any meaningful sense of the word.而不是这些实验 并不检查记忆 任何有意义的意义这个词。
171So in many of the所以,在许多
172experiments which are set out to prove the storage hypothesis, for example Eric Kandel had his series证明存储假设的实验,例如Eric Kandel有他的系列
173of Nobel Prize winning experiments on the study of the neuroplasticity of sea slugs but most of诺贝尔奖得奖实验 关于研究海流的神经弹性
174these experiments and memory is nothing more than a physiological response or the product of这些实验和记忆 只不过是生理反应或产物
175reflex conditioning but it's a long way from training you know say a gill withdrawal reflex反射调节 但离训练还有很长的路要走 说" gi"反射
176response in a sea slug to the conscious declarative recollection of the past that we typically speak在海流中回应我们通常谈论的 对过去有意识的宣示回忆
177of in the human case and what reason do we have to suppose that physical conditioning to a regular在人的情况下, 以及我们有什么理由 假设身体上的调节
178reaction in rats for example should serve as the same fundament or basis for our more complex and例如,在大鼠体内的反应就应该成为我们更为复杂和复杂的基础。
179distinctly human form of recollection and the second kind of studies in the neuroscientific明显的人类记忆形式和神经科学中的第二类研究
180case relate more specifically to human beings and these involve the observations made in cases of这些案件更具体地涉及人,涉及在涉及人的情况下提出的意见。
181memory loss caused by brain damage or deterioration and the conclusion that I draw in interpreting脑损伤或恶化造成的记忆损失 以及我解释的结论
182these studies is that there's so much variation and variability in the different kinds of amnesias这些研究认为 不同种类的失忆症 有很多的变异
183that we have to ask ourselves does the destruction of a certain brain region abolish certain stored我们不得不问自己 摧毁某个大脑区域 是否废除某些存储
184memories or does it merely damage the possibility of recalling them so for example patient HM is或者它只是破坏回忆的可能性 比如病人HM
185really the famous and pivotal case who Brenda Milner and her colleagues in the 1950s HM was20世纪50年代 布兰达·米尔纳和她的同事
186an epileptic patient who had large chunks of his hippocampus and medial temporal lobe removed he一个癫痫病人 他的河马大块 和中间的暂时叶切除
187had anterograde amnesia which means he couldn't form any new memories but he also had moderate他有厌食症 也就是说他无法形成任何新的记忆 但他也有温和的记忆
188retrograde amnesia which means that he couldn't recall very much of his past either so yes it倒行逆施的失忆症 意味着他也记不清自己的过去
189turns out that with nuclear brain damage on that scale you get both kinds of amnesias and this结果发现 核脑受到如此程度的破坏 你就会有两种失忆症
190led to the idea that the hippocampus was essential for the transfer of experience from short-term to导致一种想法,即海马营对于将经验从短期转让到
191long-term memory but the hippocampal literature and the theory of what the hippocampus is exactly长期记忆,但是河马的文献 以及河马的理论
192doing in recollection is so complex so varied there are simply too many divergent and oppositional在回忆中做如此复杂 如此多样... ... ......
193theories of what the hippocampus could potentially doing be doing that it's very hard to give a河马队可能做的理论 很难给出
194simplistic overview of this idea and in other cases of smaller scale brain damage such as for简略地概括了这一想法,以及在诸如对大脑的破坏等较小规模的其他情况下。
195example aphasiac patients who have suffered from stroke there's a surprising degree to which例如患中风的麻风病人,有惊人的程度
196patients are capable of recovery that they can remember memories which were previously thought病人能够恢复 能够记住以前想的记忆
197to be destroyed even when significant damage has occurred which reveals something about the complex即使发生了重大损害 揭示了复杂情况
198dynamic capacity for self-reorganization in the brain so what all of these observations of you大脑中自我重组的动态能力 所以你们所有这些观察
199know and implications of the neuroscientific literature force us to admit is that there is神经科学文献的影响 迫使我们承认
200certainly a very real dependence of our capacity to remember upon the health and integrity of the无疑,我们确实依赖我们的能力,以记住人类的健康和完整性。
201brain but nobody has ever seriously denied this in philosophy i mean nobody in the history of大脑,但从来没有人 严肃否认这一点 在哲学,我的意思是 历史上没有人
202philosophy has ever denied that there's some dependent relationship of the mind upon the body哲学一直否认 心灵与身体有某种依赖关系
203but the question remains you know to what extent what to what extent is the mind potentially但问题仍然是,你知道, 心灵在什么程度上可能
204independent of the brain and so in all these cases the inability to remember past events doesn't独立于大脑,所以在所有这些情况下 无法记住过去的事件
205necessitate the conclusion that the specific memories stored in the brain have been abolished有必要得出结论,脑中存储的具体记忆已被废除
206or that experience has been lost because an equal implication an equally valid implication或这种经历已经丧失,因为同样的含义是同样有效的含义
207could be that brain damage destroys the ability to recollect the ability to retrieve or recall可能是脑损伤破坏了 恢复或召回的能力
208past events rather than destroying the individual recollections themselves so it could be that the而不是破坏个人的记忆 所以可能是
209various amnesias are cases of retrieval problems and not storage problems so those are just two of各种失忆症是检索问题,而不是存储问题,所以只是其中两个。
210issues with the neuroscientific theories themselves and i think in general it's important to keep in神经科学理论本身的问题 我认为一般来说 保持进
211mind that today right here right now there is still no working model for how the brain stores记住,今天就在这里 现在仍然没有工作模式 如何储存大脑
212sequences or retrieves events over time but we began by saying there were three classes of序列或检索事件随时间推移,但我们首先说有三种类型:
213problems first we had the conceptual problem the problems engendered by linguistic confusions and首先,我们有概念问题 语言混乱和
214the mixture between metaphor and explanation second we have problems with the actual隐喻和解释的混合, 其次,我们有问题 与实际
215neuroscientific literature itself and then we've got number three to continue watching this video神经科学文献本身,然后我们有 第三个继续观看这视频
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