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0:00My topic is abortion.我的主题是堕胎。
0:02I am a Catholic, an Orthodox Catholic.我是天主教徒,东正教徒。
0:06As you know, Catholics, we tend,你知道,天主教徒,我们倾向于,
0:08and I myself included, to be a one issue voter.我本人也加入了, 成为一个问题选民。
0:10And so what makes it difficult for us to vote Democrat因此我们很难投票给民主党
0:14is that we have this idea that if you cannot provide policies我们有一个想法 如果你不能提供政策
0:19or support policies that protect the most innocent among us,或者支持保护我们中最无辜者的政策,
0:22who is the unborn child, how can we trust that you're going谁是未出生的孩子, 我们怎么能相信你要去
0:27to provide policies to protect the rest of Texans保护德克萨斯其他地区的政策
0:29and to promote dignity and human life in that?并以此促进尊严和人的生命?
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1My topic is abortion.我的主题是堕胎。
2I am a Catholic, an Orthodox Catholic.我是天主教徒,东正教徒。
3As you know, Catholics, we tend,你知道,天主教徒,我们倾向于,
4and I myself included, to be a one issue voter.我本人也加入了, 成为一个问题选民。
5And so what makes it difficult for us to vote Democrat因此我们很难投票给民主党
6is that we have this idea that if you cannot provide policies我们有一个想法 如果你不能提供政策
7or support policies that protect the most innocent among us,或者支持保护我们中最无辜者的政策,
8who is the unborn child, how can we trust that you're going谁是未出生的孩子, 我们怎么能相信你要去
9to provide policies to protect the rest of Texans保护德克萨斯其他地区的政策
10and to promote dignity and human life in that?并以此促进尊严和人的生命?
11So I challenge you on that.所以我向你挑战
12You know, some of my spiritual heroes,你知道,我的一些精神英雄,
13like Pope Francis and Pope Leo, are pro-life.像教宗弗朗西斯和教宗利奥,都是亲生的.
14And they are consistently pro-life.并且他们一贯支持生命。
15They're not just against abortion,他们不只是反对堕胎,
16but they are against poverty, against climate change,但他们反对贫穷,反对气候变化,
17against war.对抗战争。
18And so I can respect anyone like you,这样我才能尊重你这样的人
19who is consistently pro-life.他们一贯支持生命。
20And I actually think there's common ground we can find here.实际上,我认为我们在这里可以找到共同点。
21We may come to different moral and ethical conclusions我们可能会得出不同的道德和伦理结论
22when it comes to the question of,当它涉及到的问题,
23should abortion be legal or not?堕胎是否合法?
24It sounds like you and I do come to a different conclusion.听起来你和我有不同的结论
25That's okay.没关系
26We're both Christians,我们都是基督徒
27and the Bible is silent on the issue of abortion.圣经对堕胎问题保持沉默。
28It means you and I both have to look at different scriptures就是说你和我都要看不同的经文
29to try to come to a conclusion.试图得出一个结论。
30But what I think we can do is actually come together但我认为我们能做的是 真正走到一起
31on reducing the number of unplanned pregnancies减少计划外怀孕人数
32and the number of abortions.堕胎数量。
33Because if we treat this issue as a public health problem因为如果我们把这个问题当作公共卫生问题
34and not a culture war problem,而不是文化战争的问题,
35then we can actually make progress together.这样我们就能一起取得进步。
36And this is what drives me crazy about this debate,这正是我为这场辩论疯狂的原因
37is we use it to kind of beat each other over the head, right?我们用它来打对方的头,对不对?
38We treat it as a philosophical debate or a theological debate我们把它当作哲学辩论或神学辩论
39when actually it's a public policy problem,当它实际上是一个公共政策问题,
40because I also want to see fewer unplanned or unwanted pregnancies.因为我也想看到更少的意外怀孕或意外怀孕。
41I want to see fewer abortions.我想看到更少的堕胎。
42And so you and I actually have the same goal.因此,你和我实际上有 相同的目标。
43We may have different moral conclusions我们可能有不同的道德结论
44when it comes to this particular ethical question,当涉及到这个特定的伦理问题时,
45but we actually have the same public policy goal.但我们实际上有相同的公共政策目标。
46And so if we can do that, if we can join together所以,如果我们可以做到这一点, 如果我们可以一起
47to make sure that we have scientifically valid sex education,确保我们有科学有效的性教育,
48age-appropriate sex education,适龄性教育;
49if we can make sure that folks who need contraception can get it,如果我们能确保 需要避孕的人可以得到它,
50if we can make sure that everyone has health care,如果我们能确保每个人都有医疗保健,
51something the Catholic Church has led on,天主教教会所领导的东西
52then we know that that reduces the number of abortions.然后,我们知道,这减少了堕胎的数量。
53Because you can look at the research,因为你可以看研究
54and you see that certain policy levers,你看到某些政策杠杆,
55like sex education, like health care,像性教育,像保健,
56can actually reduce the number of abortions.实际上可以减少堕胎数量。
57And that's what I'm willing to work with you on.这就是我愿意与你合作。
58And I just want to add that the Bible is not silent on abortion.我只想补充一下,《圣经》并没有对堕胎保持沉默。
59There is the Ten Commandments that shall not kill.有十戒不杀.
60And as Catholics, we take great insults.作为天主教徒,我们采取极大的侮辱。
61I guess sometimes we're sprouted that way.我想有时候我们是那样生出来的
62I think we could also look at the current abortion ban in Texas,我想我们也可以看看 目前在德克萨斯州的堕胎禁令,
63which bans abortion in all cases,禁止在任何情况下堕胎,
64including in cases of rape and incest,包括强奸和乱伦案件,
65including when the life of the mother is in danger.包括当母亲的生命处于危险之中时。
66We currently see in Texas women dying in emergency room parking lots我们现在在德克萨斯州看到妇女在急诊室停车场死亡
67from sepsis because their doctors are too afraid从败血症,因为他们的医生太害怕了
68to provide life-saving care.提供救生护理。
69We talk about Texas women, but it's also Texas girls.我们谈的是德州女人 但也是德州姑娘
70We see girls as young as 10 years old who need that abortion care,我们看到年仅10岁的女孩需要堕胎护理,
71and they can't get it in Texas.他们不能在德州得到它。
72And so if we are authentically pro-life,所以如果我们真的支持生命
73I think we should be disturbed by the outcomes of this extreme abortion ban.我认为,我们应当为这种极端禁止堕胎的结果感到不安。
74That's why...这就是为什么...
75I'm here talking to you Christian to Christian today我今天跟你说话 克里斯蒂安跟克里斯蒂安
76about a faith in the Bible.关于信仰圣经。
77And I believe where we differ is really our interpretations of the Bible.我相信我们分歧之处 确实是我们对圣经的解释。
78For a lot of Christian voters, you've said some concerning things in the past对很多基督教选民来说,你过去说过一些事情
79kind of related to faith and social issues,与信仰和社会问题有关,
80things such as God is non-binary,真主不是二进制的,
81questions about how many genders there really are,问到底有多少性别,
82and your justifications using the Bible for abortion.还有你用圣经堕胎的理由
83And so I think that's led a lot of Christian voters所以我认为这导致了很多基督教选民
84to question the authenticity of your faith.质疑你信仰的真实性
85And I wanted to ask you a very direct question.我想问你一个非常直接的问题。
86Do you believe that the Bible is the absolute source of truth你相信圣经是真理的绝对来源吗?
87and God's final authoritative word,和真主的最后权威,
88even when our culture says otherwise?即使我们的文化说不同?
89Yes.对
90And I think it's important to remember that even the early church,我认为重要的是要记住 即使早期的教会
91the disciples who actually knew Jesus of Nazareth,那些真正认识拿撒勒的耶稣的门徒,
92the early church we often talk about as a singular body,早期的教堂 我们经常谈论作为一个单一的身体,
93when in reality it was more like early churches,当现实中它更像早期的教堂,
94because there was a lot of disagreement.因为有很多分歧
95There was a lot of debate.争论甚多.
96And that's something that we should be comfortable with.这是我们应该自在的事情。
97We as Christians, you and I are both members of the body of Christ.我们作为基督徒,你和我都是 基督的身体的成员。
98You are my sister in Christ.你是我基督的妹妹。
99And it's okay if you and I have disagreements如果你和我有分歧也没关系
100about our interpretations of scripture关于我们对经文的解释
101or certainly about political and policy topics.或肯定关于政治和政策议题。
102That should be encouraged, not discouraged.应该鼓励,而不是劝阻。
103And we can do that as we're called to do in scripture,我们可以做到这一点,因为我们被叫 在经文,
104do it with love.用爱来做
105And so I actually want to clarify a few of the things that you said,所以我想澄清你说过的几件事
106because I know that this has been used in these attack ads all over the state.因为我知道这些攻击广告 在全州都有使用过
107The first comment about God not being defined by gender,关于上帝不是性别定义的第一点评论,
108when I said that I was being provocative,当我说我是挑衅,
109and I want to admit that and come clean about that,我想承认这一点 并说清楚,
110but I think what I was saying is actually not controversial theologically.但我想我所说的其实不是在神学上有争议的.
111The idea that we can't define God using human categories,我们无法用人类类别来定义上帝的想法,
112not only did I say that, but the late Charlie Kirk said that,我不仅这么说,而且后来的查理·柯克说,
113the late Pope Benedict said that.教皇本尼迪克特说。
114And so, yes, I was doing it maybe in an annoying way.所以,是的,我这样做 也许是一种令人讨厌的方式。
115I can admit that.我可以承认
116I think we have to be careful using modern cultural terms我认为我们必须小心使用现代文化术语
117when talking about God.在谈论上帝时
118Sure.当然
119I think that is very fair criticism.我认为这是非常公平的批评。
120And I've kind of admitted when, you know,我承认,当,你知道,
121how I've said things in the past have maybe not come across in the right way我过去说过的话 可能不是以正确的方式
122or have upset people.或者让人心烦意乱
123And that's not my intention.这不是我的意图。
124And so, you know, my goal, I'm a seminary student, as you know.所以,你知道,我的目标, 我是个神学院的学生,你知道的。
125My granddad was a Baptist preacher,我爷爷是个浸信会传教士
126and I'm following in his footsteps, hopefully going to become a minister one day.我追随他的脚步 希望有一天能成为部长
127And preachers often will say something shocking in a sermon to get your attention.传教士经常会在布道中说出令人震惊的话来引起你的注意.
128And that's something I'm still learning how to do in a responsible way.我仍然在学习如何以负责任的方式行事。
129And so, I'm always going to take feedback from my fellow Christians,所以,我总是会从我的基督徒同胞那里得到反馈,
130from my constituents on how to do that in a responsible way从我的选民 如何做到这一点 以负责任的方式
131where I'm actually communicating what I mean and not muddying the water.在那里,我实际上沟通我的意思 而不是泥弄水。
132Do you believe that Jesus is the only savior for people here on earth?你相信耶稣是世上唯一的救世主吗?
133I believe Jesus is the truth, the way, and the light.我相信耶稣是真理、道路和光明。
134Why should we send all this money to Ukraine?我们为什么要把这些钱都寄到乌克兰?
135And Ukraine has done a phenomenal job defending themselves而乌克兰也做了一件了不起的自我保护
136since it feels like forever at this point.因为现在感觉就像永远一样
137Why shouldn't we invest that money, first and foremost,我们为什么不投资,首先,
138in our local communities and help fellow Texans?帮助德州同胞?
139Well, I think we learned back in the Second World War我想我们在第二次世界大战中学到了
140that when we fail to stand up to an aggressor in Europe,如果我们不能对抗欧洲的侵略者
141that comes back to haunt us.回到我们身边。
142And we need to strengthen Ukraine.我们需要加强乌克兰。
143We need to strengthen our NATO allies as they stand up to Russian aggression.我们必须在北约盟国抵抗俄罗斯侵略时加强它们。
144So, we don't have to.所以,我们不必。
145So, in some ways, I see this as a cost-saving measure.因此,在某些方面,我认为这是一个节省费用的措施。
146If we can stop this aggression, if we can stop Vladimir Putin in Ukraine,如果我们能阻止这场侵略 如果我们能阻止乌克兰的弗拉基米尔·普京
147then we're not going to have to stop him elsewhere.那我们就不用在别处阻止他了
148And I always think we've got to be good stewards of our taxpayer funds.我总觉得我们得好好管理纳税人的资金
149We've got to be strategic when it comes to any investments abroad.在涉及任何国外投资时,我们必须具有战略性.
150I think what we're doing in Ukraine is a good investment.我认为我们在乌克兰所做的是一个很好的投资.
151I think it will save us money in the long run.我认为,从长远来看,这将节省我们的钱。
152But it doesn't mean that we shouldn't always examine it但这并不表示我们不应该总是检查它
153and ensure that we are using taxpayer dollars并确保我们使用纳税人美元
154in the most efficient and effective way possible.以尽可能高的效率和成效的方式。
155Do you support the Save America Act?你支持拯救美国法案吗?
156And if not, what parts and why?如果没有,什么部分和为什么?
157Well, I'd honestly have to read the details of the legislation.好吧,我真得读一下立法的细节
158I'm a policy wonk, and so I always hesitate to say我是一个政策摇摆, 所以我总是犹豫说
159I'm going to support any one bill if I haven't read the final version of that bill.如果我还没读完法案的最后版本 我会支持任何一个法案
160But from what I understand, the bill is about our elections.但据我所知 法案是关于我们的选举的
161Is that right?是吗?
162Yes, sir.是 长官
163So, I'll tell you what I am for.所以,我会告诉你我是为了什么。
164I am for fair voter ID.我是公平选民证
165And I say fair because here in Texas,我说公平是因为在德克萨斯州
166I think that a lot of our voter ID policies are discriminatory.我认为,我们的许多选民身份证政策是歧视性的。
167And here's what I mean by that.这就是我的意思
168Some kinds of ID are allowed and other valid forms of ID aren't allowed.允许使用某些类型的身份证,不允许使用其他有效形式的身份证.
169So, for instance, when you go to vote here in Texas,比如说,当你去得克萨斯州投票时,
170you can bring your concealed carry license, which I'm all for.你可以带上你隐藏的驾照, 我所有的东西。
171But a student at a public college or university can't bring their student ID.但公立学院或大学的学生不能带学生身份证.
172And so I think that hurts some kind of voters and helps other kind of voters.所以我认为这伤害了某种选民,帮助了另一种选民。
173What I want to see is voter ID that is consistent across the board我想看到的是 选民身份证是一致的
174because I think you and I probably both agree,因为我觉得你和我都同意
175we want everyone, if they are eligible, if they are citizens, to be able to vote.我们希望每个人都,如果他们有资格,如果他们是公民,能够投票。
176And we don't want to discriminate against any one group people.我们不想歧视任何一个群体。
177I don't want to discriminate against Republicans who are voting.我不想歧视正在投票的共和党人.
178And I don't want to discriminate against Democrats who are voting.我不想歧视正在投票的民主党人。
179And so that's all I'm asking for.这就是我想要的。
180As long as voter ID is fair, then I'm all for it.只要选民身份是公平的,我就会支持
181Can we pass it if you are voting with New York如果你在纽约投票,我们能通过吗?
182or voting with California on something Texas by majority wants?还是通过多数人想要的 与加利福尼亚州一起投票?
183Well, I am not running for the U.S. Senate to represent New York or California.我不会竞选美国参议院 代表纽约或加利福尼亚州
184I'm not running for the U.S. Senate to represent the Democratic Party.我不会竞选美国参议院代表民主党.
185I am running for Senate to represent all 31 million Texans.我竞选参议院代表3100万德州人
186And I will always do what's best for Texas, even if that means standing up to my own party.我将永远为德克萨斯州做最好的事 即使这意味着要参加我的派对
187We talked earlier about oil and gas.我们早些时候谈到石油和天然气。
188If the Democratic Party is going after the good-paying oil and gas jobs here in Texas,如果民主党在德克萨斯州 寻找高薪石油和天然气工作
189I'm going to stand up against them.我要站起来对付他们
190I'm going to call out Democrats like Joe Biden who failed us on our southern border我要像乔·拜登那样叫民主党人 在南方边境辜负了我们
191because we need border security here in Texas.因为德克萨斯州需要边境安全
192We need to protect our border communities.我们需要保护我们的边境社区。
193I'm going to work with Republicans.我要和共和党人合作
194As you know, I was a member of the Texas legislature.如你所知,我是德克萨斯州立法机构的成员
195There is a Republican majority in the state house where I worked in the state Senate,我在州参议院工作的州议会有共和党多数议员,
196and Republicans have the governor's mansion.共和党人有州长的豪宅
197I was able to pass 60 bipartisan bills during my time in the legislature.我在立法机构期间通过了60项两党法案。
198And the only way I could pass those bills is by working with Republicans.我唯一能通过这些法案的方法 就是和共和党人合作
199And so I have no problem standing up to my own party.所以我不反对参加自己的派对
200I'm a proud Texas Democrat, but I already have a religion and I already have a sports team.我是一个自豪的德州民主党人, 但我已经有一个宗教,我已经有一个运动队。
201So I have no problem sharing hard truths with my party if it's what's best for Texas.所以我和我的党分享真相没问题 如果这对德州最好的话
202Well, I'm concerned with some of the things that I've been hearing lately about your stance on Israel嗯,我关心一些事情 我最近听到 关于你的立场 以色列
203and also on your support of the Jewish people.还有你对犹太人的支持
204With the rise of anti-Semitism and perception being reality,随着反犹太主义和观念的兴起,
205I'm very concerned and want to know where you do stand on this issue.我很担心 想知道你在这个问题上的立场
206Yeah.对
207Well, thank you for what you do for the community,谢谢你为社区所做的一切
208and thank you for being here and asking that question.感谢你来问这个问题
209I have deep love and respect for the Jewish people, for the Jewish Scriptures.我对犹太人民,对犹太经典,有深厚的爱和尊重.
210As a seminary student, my seminary required that I spent the first year of my seminary studies作为一个神学院学生,我的神学院要求我度过我的神学院的第一年学习
211learning the Hebrew Scriptures from a local rabbi.从当地的拉比那里学习希伯来语圣经.
212Shout out Rabbi Blumhoff, who hopefully is watching.呼喊拉比布卢姆霍夫,希望他正在观看。
213So I didn't learn it from a Christian perspective.所以我没有从基督教的角度来学习.
214I learned it from a Jewish perspective, which I think is so valuable to understand our mother tradition我从犹太角度学习的,我认为这对理解我们母族的传统如此宝贵
215and have deep reverence for that tradition.并深深地崇敬这个传统。
216And as a state lawmaker, I have stood by Jewish leaders in central Texas against anti-Semitism.作为州立法者,我在德克萨斯州中部支持犹太领导人反对反犹太主义。
217I've stood against hate in all its forms because I believe that all of us should feel welcomed我反对一切形式的仇恨 因为我相信我们所有人都应该感到欢迎
218here in Texas, no matter our religious beliefs.在德克萨斯,不管我们的宗教信仰
219In fact, in the state capital, I have been the fiercest critic of Christian nationalism事实上,在州府,我一直是基督教民族主义最激烈的批评者
220because I don't think there's anything Christian about Christian nationalism.因为我认为基督教的民族主义没有任何基督教意义.
221I was raised by my granddad, a Baptist preacher, to follow the two commandments Jesus gave us.我被我的祖父,一位浸信会传教士抚养长大,遵循耶稣给我们的两个诫命.
222And Jesus, as a good rabbi, took the two commandments from the Torah to love God and to love neighbor.而耶稣作为一位好拉比,从"陀罗经"中吸取了两个戒律来爱上帝,爱邻居.
223And there's no exception to that second commandment.而此二戒亦无例外.
224I'm called to love all of my neighbors, not just my Presbyterian or Christian neighbors.我被叫来爱所有邻居,不只是我的长老会或基督教邻居.
225Well, I'm curious then also then where you stand on Israel.嗯,我好奇的是,那么你对以色列的立场。
226Yeah.对
227I'm always very careful when I talk about this to make sure that my criticisms我说话时总是很小心 以确保我的批评
228are directed toward Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and not the Israeli people.目标是本雅明·内塔尼亚胡总理,而不是以色列人民。
229I have, as you know, have been very critical of Prime Minister Netanyahu.如你所知,我一直非常批评内塔尼亚胡总理。
230You know, I, as a former teacher, seeing the death and the destruction in Gaza,你知道,作为一个前老师,我看到加沙的死亡和毁灭,
231seeing what's happening to children in particular, makes me sick to my stomach.特别看孩子的遭遇 让我恶心
232I know that October 7th was the deadliest day for the Jewish people since the Holocaust.我知道10月7日是犹太人自大屠杀以来最致命的日子.
233And I believe that Israel, like any nation, has a right to defend its people.我认为,以色列同任何国家一样,有权保卫其人民。
234But I don't believe that Benjamin Netanyahu has a right to wage war against civilians但我不认为本雅明·内塔尼亚胡有权对平民发动战争
235or use collective punishment or restrict aid to civilians.使用集体惩罚或限制对平民的援助。
236And so that's what I've spoken out against.所以这就是我所说的反对。
237I think regardless of how we feel about the current situation,不管我们对目前局势的看法如何
238hopefully we can all come together to fight for a two-state solution希望大家能齐聚一堂 争取两国解决方案
239where we have security for Israel and we have freedom and self-determination for Palestinians.在那里,我们拥有以色列的安全,我们拥有巴勒斯坦人的自由和自决。
240What my hope is, my prayer actually, is out of this chaos, this death, this destruction, this bloodshed,我所希望的,我的祈祷,实际上, 走出了混乱, 死亡,毁灭,流血,
241something new can rise out of the ashes.灰烬里有新的东西
242And I hope it's a sustainable, durable peace for all people in the region.我希望它能为该地区所有人民带来可持续的持久和平。
243Data centers are coming in, they seem to be like coming in in droves,数据中心要进来了 他们好像要进来了
244like there's like I think a hundred planned to be coming into Texas, I'm not sure, or more.就像我想有一百个计划 要来得克萨斯州, 我不知道,或更多。
245I think one was just built.我认为一个刚刚建成。
246People don't even know that these things are being built in their areas.人们甚至不知道这些东西正在他们的地区建造.
247It's just like one just pops up and they're like, okay, wow.这就像一个只是弹出 他们喜欢,好吧,哇。
248On top of that, people are afraid that the aquifers are like losing water.除此之外,人们害怕含水层会像失去水一样。
249We're already having droughts as it is.我们已经有干旱了
250Texas is a very dry, hot place.德州是一个非常干燥,炎热的地方.
251What's your take on like the AI boom in those data centers?你对这些数据中心的AI热潮有什么看法?
252I was actually up in Abilene meeting with residents, Democrats and Republicans alike,其实我在阿比林和居民、民主党和共和党人会面
253because they are building three giant data centers in Abilene.因为他们正在阿比林建造三个巨大的数据中心
254I met a mother, she and her husband moved out to Abilene to build their dream home.我遇见了一位母亲,她和她的丈夫搬到了阿比林建造他们的梦想家园.
255And then a data center popped up right across the street.然后在街对面出现了一个数据中心。
256Now her young son wakes up in the middle of the night and thinks it's day现在她儿子半夜醒来 以为是白天
257because the light's shining through his window.因为灯光照在他窗外
258And so I've rolled out a plan to crack down on these giant data center companies.所以我推出了一个计划 来打击这些巨大的数据中心公司。
259I've said that we've got to force them to pay for their own energy我说,我们必须强迫他们支付自己的精力
260instead of jacking up our utility bills.而不是抢我们的水电费。
261We got to force them to recycle their water so they are not exacerbating the water crisis here in Texas我们必须强迫他们回收水 这样他们就不会加剧德克萨斯州的水危机
262and force them to get the consent of the people who live in these communities before they start building.在他们开始建设之前,强迫他们征得这些社区居民的同意。
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