实战练英文 | 抵抗强国，加拿大能成功？Mark Carne

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时间	英文	中文
0:09	Mark, should I read yours?	马克,我要读你的吗?
0:17	Hi, everyone.	大家好,你们好。
0:18	It's a great honor for me to introduce Mark Cardy, Prime Minister of Canada, along with	我很荣幸介绍加拿大总理马克·卡迪
0:23	Guinea Rockman from the Financial Times.	"金融时报"的几内亚·罗克曼.
0:28	Much of the dialogue over the next few days will focus on where the puck is going.	今后几天的大部分对话将侧重于竹竿的去向。
0:33	You like that, Mark?	你喜欢吗,马克?
0:36	Okay.	摆
0:37	Where the puck is going next in the global economy, which makes this a fitting moment	在全球经济的下一个位置, 这使得这是一个合适的时刻
0:44	to introduce a former hockey player, the Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Cardy.	介绍前曲棍球运动员加拿大总理马克·卡迪
0:52	The ability to remain calm in fast-moving, high-pressure moments has defined Mark's	在快速移动的高压瞬间保持平静的能力已经定义了马克的

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序号	英文	中文
1	Mark, should I read yours?	马克,我要读你的吗?
2	Hi, everyone.	大家好,你们好。
3	It's a great honor for me to introduce Mark Cardy, Prime Minister of Canada, along with	我很荣幸介绍加拿大总理马克·卡迪
4	Guinea Rockman from the Financial Times.	"金融时报"的几内亚·罗克曼.
5	Much of the dialogue over the next few days will focus on where the puck is going.	今后几天的大部分对话将侧重于竹竿的去向。
6	You like that, Mark?	你喜欢吗,马克?
7	Okay.	摆
8	Where the puck is going next in the global economy, which makes this a fitting moment	在全球经济的下一个位置, 这使得这是一个合适的时刻
9	to introduce a former hockey player, the Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Cardy.	介绍前曲棍球运动员加拿大总理马克·卡迪
10	The ability to remain calm in fast-moving, high-pressure moments has defined Mark's	在快速移动的高压瞬间保持平静的能力已经定义了马克的
11	career.	职业。
12	In 2008, he led the Bank of Canada and helped steer his economy through the worst market	2008年,他领导加拿大银行,帮助他的经济经历了最糟糕的市场.
13	turmoil in all our lives and our generation.	我们的生活和我们这一代人的动荡。
14	In the aftermath of Brexit, he became the first non-Brit to serve as a Governor of the	在布雷克西特之后,他成为了第一个担任英国总督的非英国人.
15	Bank of England.	英国银行.
16	And last year, he was elected very deservingly as Prime Minister for Canada at what may be	去年,他被选为加拿大总理值得一提
17	one of the most pivotal moments in modern Canadian history.	现代加拿大史上最关键的时刻之一
18	Today, Prime Minister Cardy is focused on making Canada a place where it's easier to	今天,卡迪总理专注于使加拿大成为一个
19	build, simpler to trade, smarter to invest in, and build more unity across its nation.	建立,简化贸易, 更聪明的投资, 和建立更大的团结整个国家。
20	For 41 million Canadians, the world's 10th largest economy, he is a steady and thoughtful	对于4100万加拿大人, 世界上第10大经济体, 他是一个稳定而深思熟虑的
21	leader, and I am proud to call him a friend.	我很荣幸能称他为朋友
22	Please join me in welcoming Prime Minister of Canada, Mark Cardy.	请与我一起欢迎加拿大总理马克·卡迪.
23	Thank you very much, Larry.	非常感谢,拉里。
24	I'm going to start in French and then I'll switch back to English.	我先用法语开始然后换回英语
25	Merci, Larry.	谢谢,拉里。
26	Thank you, Larry.	谢谢你,拉里。
27	It is both a pleasure and a duty to be with you tonight in this pivotal moment that Canada	今晚在加拿大这个关键时刻与你在一起既是一种快乐也是一种义务
28	and the world are going through.	世界正在经历。
29	Today I will talk about a rupture in the world order, the end of a pleasant fiction and the	今天我将谈谈世界秩序的破裂,一个愉快的虚构的结局和
30	of a harsh reality where geopolitics, where the large main power, geopolitics is submitted	一个严酷的现实, 地缘政治, 在那里,最大的主要力量, 地缘政治
31	to no limits, no constraints.	没有限制,没有限制。
32	On the other hand, I would like to tell you that the other countries, especially intermediate	另一方面,我想告诉你们,其他国家,特别是中间国家,
33	powers like Canada, are not powerless.	像加拿大这样的强国并不是无能为力的。
34	They have the capacity to build a new order that encompasses our values, such as respect	他们有能力建立一个包含我们价值观的新秩序,例如尊重
35	for human rights, sustainable development, solidarity, sovereignty, and territorial	人权、可持续发展、团结、主权和
36	integrity of the various states.	各州的廉洁。
37	The power of the less power starts with honesty.	弱者的权力始于诚实.
38	It seems that every day we're reminded that we live in an era of great power rivalry,	似乎每天都有人提醒我们我们生活在权力大竞争的时代
39	that the rules-based order is fading, that the strong can do what they can and the weak	基于规则的秩序正在消退强者能做他们能做的弱者
40	must suffer what they must.	必须承受他们必须承受的痛苦。
41	And this aphorism of Thucydides is presented as inevitable, as the natural logic of international	而Thucydides的这首谚语被描述为不可避免,就像国际的自然逻辑
42	relations reasserting itself.	关系重现。
43	And faced with this logic, there is a strong tendency for countries to go along to get	面对这种逻辑,各国有一种强烈的趋势,即:
44	along, to accommodate, to avoid trouble, to hope that compliance will buy safety.	同时,为了容纳和避免麻烦,希望遵守会购买安全。
45	Well, it won't.	不会的
46	So what are our options?	我们有什么选择?
47	In 1978, the Czech dissident Václav Havel, later president, wrote an essay called The	1978年,后来的总统捷克持不同政见者瓦茨拉夫·哈维尔(Václav Havel)写了一篇名为The
48	Power of the Powerless.	无能之力.
49	And in it, he asked a simple question, how did the communist system sustain itself?	在其中,他问了一个简单的问题,共产主义制度如何维持下去?
50	And his answer began with the greengrocer.	他的答案是从绿葡萄园开始的
51	Every morning, the shopkeeper places a sign in his window, workers of the world unite.	每天早上,店主在他的窗户上贴上一个标志,全世界的工人团结起来.
52	He doesn't believe it.	他不相信这一点。
53	No one does.	没有人知道。
54	But he places a sign anyway to avoid trouble, to signal compliance, to get along.	不过他还是贴了个标语来避免麻烦,表示服从,和睦相处.
55	And because every shopkeeper on every street does the same, the system persists.	而因为每条街的店主都做同样的事情,所以这个制度一直存在.
56	Not through violence alone, but through the participation of ordinary people in rituals	不只是通过暴力而是通过普通人参与仪式
57	they privately know to be false.	他们私下知道是假的
58	Havel called this living within a lie.	Havel称生活在谎言中
59	The system's power comes not from its truth, but from everyone's willingness to perform	系统的力量不是来自它的真理而是来自每个人的表演意愿
60	as if it were true.	犹如真如.
61	And its fragility comes from the same source.	其脆弱性来自同一来源。
62	When even one person stops performing, when the greengrocer removes his sign, the illusion	当一个人停止表演, 当绿种人移除他的标志, 幻觉
63	begins to crack.	开始裂开。
64	Friends, it is time for companies and countries to take their signs down.	朋友们,现在是公司和国家取消其标志的时候了。
65	For decades.	数十年.
66	For decades, countries like Canada prospered under what we called the rules-based international	几十年来,像加拿大这样的国家在我们所谓的基于规则的国际制度下繁荣起来。
67	order.	秩序。秩序。
68	We joined its institutions, we praised its principles, we benefited from its predictability.	我们加入了它的各机构,我们赞扬它的原则,我们受益于它的可预测性。
69	And because of that, we could pursue values-based foreign policies under its protection.	因此,我们可以在其保护下推行基于价值观的外交政策。
70	We knew the story of the international rules-based order was partially false.	我们知道基于国际规则的秩序是部分虚假的。
71	That the strongest would exempt themselves when convenient.	强者在方便的时候会免责
72	That trade rules were enforced asymmetrically.	这种贸易规则是不对称执行的。
73	And we knew that international law applied with varying rigor depending on the identity	我们知道国际法的适用程度因身份而异
74	of the accused or the victim.	(b) 被告人或被害人。
75	This fiction was useful.	这个小说很有用
76	An American hegemony in particular helped provide public goods, open sea lanes, a stable	美国的霸权特别有助于提供公共物品畅通的海道
77	financial system, collective security, and support for frameworks for resolving disputes.	金融系统、集体安全和支持解决争端的框架。
78	So we placed the sign in the window.	所以我们把标志放在窗户上。
79	We participated in the rituals.	我们参加了仪式。
80	And we largely avoided calling out the gaps between rhetoric and reality.	我们基本上避免提出言论与现实之间的差距。
81	This bargain no longer works.	这个交易已经行不通了。
82	Let me be direct.	让我直接说
83	We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition.	我们正处于破裂中,而不是过渡。
84	Over the past two decades, a series of crises in finance, health, energy, and geopolitics	过去20年来,金融、卫生、能源和地缘政治方面的一系列危机
85	have laid bare the risks of extreme global integration.	暴露了极端全球一体化的风险。
86	But more recently, great powers have begun using economic integration as weapons.	但最近,大国开始将经济一体化作为武器。
87	Tariffs as leverage, financial infrastructure as coercion, supply chains as vulnerabilities	关税作为杠杆,金融基础设施作为胁迫,供应链作为脆弱性
88	to be exploited.	被剥削。
89	You cannot live within the lie of mutual benefit through integration when integration becomes	在融合成为共同利益时,你无法生活在互利的谎言之中
90	the source of your subordination.	你从属的来源。
91	The multilateral institutions on which the middle powers have relied, the WTO, the UN,	中间大国所依赖的多边机构、世贸组织、联合国、
92	the COP, the architecture, the very architecture of collective problem solving are under threat.	解决集体问题的架构正受到威胁。
93	As a result, many countries are drawing the same conclusions that they must develop greater	因此,许多国家正在得出同样的结论,即它们必须作出更大的发展。
94	strategic autonomy in energy, food, critical minerals, in finance, and supply chains.	能源、粮食、关键矿物、金融和供应链的战略自主权。
95	And this impulse is understandable.	这种冲动是可以理解的。
96	A country that can't feed itself, fuel itself, or defend itself has few options.	一个不能自食其力,不能自燃,也不能自卫的国家几乎没有选择.
97	When the rules no longer protect you, you must protect yourself.	当规则不再保护你时你必须保护自己
98	But let's be clear-eyed about where this leads.	但是,让我们清晰地看如何引导。
99	A world of fortresses will be poorer, more fragile, and less sustainable.	一个有堡垒的世界将更穷、更脆弱、更不可持续。
100	And there's another truth.	还有另一个真理
101	If great powers abandon even the pretense of rules and values for the unhindered pursuit	如果列强放弃了规则和价值观的假象不受阻碍的追求
102	of their power and interests, the gains from transactionalism will become harder to replicate.	他们的权力和利益,交易主义的收益将更加难以复制。
103	Hegemons cannot continually monetize their relationships.	Hegemons不能继续把关系货币化。
104	Allies will diversify to hedge against uncertainty.	盟军将多样化,以对抗不确定性。
105	They'll buy insurance, increase options, in order to rebuild sovereignty.	为了重建主权,他们会购买保险,增加选择权.
106	Sovereignty that was once grounded in rules but will increasingly be anchored in the ability	主权曾经以规则为基础,但将越来越多地以能力为基础
107	to withstand pressure.	来承受压力
108	This room knows this is classic risk management.	这个房间知道这是典型的风险管理。
109	Risk management comes at a price.	风险管理是有代价的。
110	But that cost of strategic autonomy, of sovereignty, can also be shared.	但是,战略自主和主权的代价也可以分担。
111	Collective investments in resilience are cheaper than everyone building their own fortresses.	集体投资于复原力比建造自己的堡垒便宜。
112	Shared standards reduce fragmentations.	共同标准减少分散。
113	Complementarities are a positive sum.	互补性是一个积极的总和。
114	And the question for middle powers like Canada is not whether to adapt to the new reality.	而像加拿大这样的中权国家的问题并不是是否适应新的现实.
115	We must.	我们必须
116	The question is whether we adapt by simply building higher walls or whether we can do something more ambitious.	问题是,我们是否只是通过建造高墙来适应,还是我们可以做一些更雄心勃勃的事。
117	Now, Canada was amongst the first to hear the wake-up call, leading us to fundamentally shift our strategic posture.	现在,加拿大是最早听到觉醒呼声的国家之一,这使我们从根本上改变了我们的战略姿态。
118	Canadians know that our old comfortable assumptions that our geography and alliance memberships	加拿大人知道,我们旧的舒适的假设我们的地理和联盟成员
119	automatically conferred prosperity and security, that assumption is no longer valid.	自动赋予繁荣和安全,这种假设已不再有效。
120	And our new approach rests on what Alexander Stubb, the president of Finland, has termed value-based realism.	芬兰总统亚历山大·斯图布称之为基于价值的现实主义。
121	Or to put another way, we aim to be both principled and pragmatic.	或者换句话说,我们的目标是既有原则又务实。
122	Principled in our commitment to fundamental values, sovereignty, territorial integrity,	我们致力于基本价值观、主权、领土完整的原则,
123	the prohibition of the use of force except when consistent with the UN Charter,	禁止使用武力,除非符合《联合国宪章》,
124	and respect for human rights.	尊重人权。
125	And pragmatic in recognizing that progress is often incremental, that interests diverge,	务实地认识到进步往往是渐进的,利益是不同的,
126	that not every partner will share all of our values.	并不是每个伙伴都会分享我们的所有价值观。
127	So we're engaging broadly, strategically with open eyes.	因此,我们广泛参与, 战略上以开放的眼睛。
128	We actively take on the world as it is, not wait around for a world we wish to be.	我们积极对待这个世界,而不是在周围等待我们希望成为的世界。
129	We are calibrating our relationships so their depth reflects our values.	我们正在调整我们的关系,以便其深度反映我们的价值观。
130	And we're prioritizing broad engagement to maximize our influence,	我们正在优先考虑广泛的参与以最大限度地发挥我们的影响,
131	and given the fluidity of the world at the moment, the risks that this poses and the stakes for what comes next.	并且鉴于目前世界的流动性, 风险,以及接下来的利害关系。
132	And we are no longer just relying on the strength of our values, but also the value of our strength.	我们不再仅仅依赖我们价值观的力量,而且也依赖我们力量的价值。
133	We are building that strength at home.	我们正在国内建立这种力量。
134	Since my government took office, we have cut taxes on incomes, on capital gains, and business investment.	自从我国政府上任以来,我们削减了收入税、资本收益税和商业投资税。
135	We have removed all federal barriers to inter-provincial trade.	我们已经消除了联邦对省际贸易的所有障碍。
136	We are fast-tracking $8 trillion of investments in energy, AI, critical minerals, new trade corridors, and beyond.	我们正在对能源、人工智能、关键矿物、新的贸易走廊等进行8万亿美元的投资。
137	We're doubling our defense spending by the end of this decade,	到这十年末我们的国防开支要翻一番
138	and we're doing so in ways that build our domestic industries.	我们这样做的方式建设我们的国内工业。
139	And we are rapidly diversifying abroad.	我们在国外迅速实现多样化。
140	We've agreed a comprehensive strategic partnership with the EU,	我们已经同意与欧盟建立全面战略伙伴关系,
141	including joining SAFE, the European Defense Procurement Arrangements.	包括加入安全局、欧洲国防采购安排。
142	We have signed 12 other trade and security deals on four continents in six months.	我们在六个月内在四大洲签署了另外12项贸易和安全交易。
143	In the past few days, we've concluded new strategic partnerships with China and Qatar.	在过去几天里,我们与中国和卡塔尔缔结了新的战略伙伴关系.
144	We're negotiating free trade pacts with India, ASEAN, Thailand, Philippines, and Mercosur.	我们正在与印度、东盟、泰国、菲律宾和南锥体共同市场谈判自由贸易协定。
145	We're doing something else.	我们在做别的事
146	To help solve global problems, we're pursuing variable geometry.	为了帮助解决全球问题,我们追求可变几何.
147	In other words, different coalitions for different issues based on common values and interests.	换句话说,基于共同价值观和利益的不同问题的不同联盟。
148	So on Ukraine, we're a core member of the Coalition of the Willing,	在乌克兰,我们是意志联盟的核心成员,
149	and one of the largest per capita contributors to its defense and security.	也是其国防和安全人均贡献最大的国家之一。
150	On Arctic sovereignty, we stand firmly with Greenland and Denmark	关于北极主权,我们坚定地支持格陵兰和丹麦。
151	and fully support their unique right to determine Greenland's future.	并全力支持他们决定格陵兰未来的独特权利。
152	Our commitment to NATO's Article 5 is unwavering.	我们对北约第5条的承诺是坚定不移的。
153	So we're working with our NATO allies, including the Nordic Baltic Eight,	因此,我们正与我们的北约盟友, 包括北欧波罗的海八国,
154	to further secure the Alliance's northern and western flanks,	进一步保障联盟的北部和西部侧翼的安全,
155	including through Canada's unprecedented investments	包括加拿大前所未有的投资
156	in over-the-horizon radar, in submarines, in aircraft, and boots on the ground.	在超视距雷达,潜艇,飞机, 和靴子地面。
157	Canada strongly opposes tariffs over Greenland and calls for focused talks	加拿大强烈反对对格陵兰征收关税,呼吁进行有重点的谈判
158	to achieve our shared objectives of security and prosperity in the Arctic.	实现北极安全和繁荣的共同目标。
159	On plurilateral trade, we're championing efforts to build a bridge	在诸边贸易方面,我们拥护建设桥梁的努力
160	between the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the European Union,	跨太平洋伙伴关系与欧洲联盟之间,
161	which would create a new trading bloc of 1.5 billion people.	将建立一个由15亿人口组成的新的贸易集团。
162	On critical minerals, we're forming Buyers Clubs,	在关键矿物质方面,我们正在组建买家俱乐部,
163	anchored in the G7 so that the world can diversify away from concentrated supply.	扎根于7国集团,使世界能够摆脱集中供应。
164	And on AI, we're cooperating with like-minded democracies	在AI方面,我们正与志同道合的民主国家合作
165	to ensure that we won't ultimately be forced to choose between hegemons and hyperscalers.	确保我们最终不会被迫在霸王党和超规模军之间做出选择。
166	This is not naive multilateralism, nor is it relying on their institutions.	这不是天真多边主义,也不是依赖它们的机构。
167	It's building coalitions that work, issues by issue,	它正在建立联盟工作,逐个问题,
168	with partners who share enough common ground to act together.	与具有足够共同点的伙伴一起采取行动。
169	In some cases, this will be the vast majority of nations.	在某些情况下,这将是绝大多数国家。
170	What it's doing is creating a dense web of connections across trade investment culture	它所做的就是在贸易投资文化中建立一个紧密的联系网
171	on which we can draw for future challenges and opportunities.	我们可以利用这些机会迎接未来的挑战和机遇。
172	I argue that middle powers must act together,	我主张中权必须共同行动
173	because if we're not at the table, we're on the menu.	因为如果我们不在桌子上, 我们就在菜单上。
174	But I'd also say that great powers can afford, for now, to go it alone.	但我还要说,大国现在可以独自去。
175	They have the market size, the military capacity, and the leverage to dictate terms.	它们拥有市场规模、军事能力和支配条件的杠杆。
176	Middle powers do not.	中权没有。
177	But when we only negotiate bilaterally with a hegemon, we negotiate from weakness.	但是,当我们只是与一个霸主进行双边谈判时,我们从弱处进行谈判。
178	We accept what's offered.	我们接受提供的东西。
179	We compete with each other to be the most accommodating.	我们互相竞争成为最宽容的。
180	This is not sovereignty.	这不是主权。
181	It's the performance of sovereignty while accepting subordination.	是在接受从属地位的同时履行主权.
182	In a world of great power rivalry, the countries in between have a choice.	在一个权力大竞争的世界中,介于两者之间的国家有选择权.
183	Compete with each other for favour, or to combine to create a third path with impact.	互相竞争求利,或合而为一,以创造有影响的第三条道路.
184	We shouldn't allow the rise of hard power to blind us to the fact	我们不应该让硬实力的崛起蒙蔽我们的事实
185	that the power of legitimacy, integrity, and rules will remain strong	合法性、完整性和规则的力量将继续强大
186	if we choose to wield them together.	如果我们选择一起使用它们。
187	Which brings me back to Havel.	这让我回到哈维尔
188	What does it mean for middle powers to live the truth?	中间力量活在真理中是什么意思?
189	First, it means naming reality.	首先,这意味着命名现实。
190	Stop invoking rules-based international order as though it still functions as advertised.	停止援引基于规则的国际秩序,仿佛它仍然按照广告运作。
191	Call it what it is.	唤作甚么.
192	A system of intensifying great power rivalry,	强化强权竞争的制度
193	where the most powerful pursue their interests using economic integration as coercion.	最强者利用经济一体化作为胁迫来追求自己的利益。
194	It means acting consistently, applying the same standards to allies and rivals.	这意味着一致行动,对盟国和对手适用同样的标准。
195	When middle powers criticise economic intimidation from one direction	当中权批评经济恐吓从一个方向
196	but stay silent when it comes from another, we are keeping the sign in the window.	但是,当它来自另一个地方时, 请保持缄默, 我们正在保持标志在窗口。
197	It means building what we claim to believe in.	这意味着建设我们声称相信的东西。
198	Rather than waiting for the old order to be restored,	而不是等待旧秩序的恢复
199	it means creating institutions and agreements that function as described.	它意味着建立能够发挥上述作用的机构和协定。
200	And it means reducing the leverage that enables coercion.	这意味着减少导致胁迫的杠杆。
201	That's building a strong domestic economy.	这是在建设强大的国内经济.
202	It should be every government's immediate priority.	这应该是每个政府的当务之急。
203	And diversification internationally is not just economic prudence,	国际多样化不仅仅是经济谨慎,
204	it's a material foundation for honest foreign policy.	这是诚实外交政策的物质基础。
205	Because countries earn the right to principled stands	因为国家获得原则立场的权利
206	by reducing their vulnerability to retaliation.	减少他们遭受报复的可能性。
207	So Canada.	所以说加拿大。
208	Canada has what the world wants.	加拿大拥有世界想要的东西。
209	We are an energy superpower.	我们是一个能源超级大国。
210	We hold vast reserves of critical minerals.	我们拥有大量重要矿物储备。
211	We have the most educated population in the world.	我们拥有世界上受教育程度最高的人口。
212	Our pension funds are amongst the world's largest and most sophisticated investors.	我们的养恤基金是世界上最大和最复杂的投资者之一。
213	In other words, we have capital talent.	换句话说,我们有资本人才。
214	We also have a government with immense fiscal capacity to act decisively.	我们也有一个政府,拥有巨大的财政能力采取果断行动。
215	And we have the values to which many others aspire.	我们有许多其他人渴望的价值观。
216	Canada is a pluralistic society that works.	加拿大是一个行之有效的多元化社会。
217	Our public square is loud, diverse and free.	我们的公共广场响亮、多样和自由。
218	Canadians remain committed to sustainability.	加拿大人仍然致力于可持续性。
219	We are a stable and reliable partner in a world that is anything but.	我们是一个稳定、可靠的伙伴,在这个世界中,除了任何东西之外,都是如此。
220	A partner that builds and values relationships for the long term.	一个建立和重视长期关系的伙伴。
221	And we have something else.	我们还有别的东西
222	We have a recognition of what's happening and a determination to act accordingly.	我们承认正在发生的事情,并决心采取相应行动。
223	We understand that this rupture calls for more than adaptation.	我们知道,这种破裂需要的不仅仅是适应。
224	It calls for honesty about the world as it is.	它要求诚实地对待这个世界。
225	We are taking the sign out of the window.	我们要从窗外取出标志
226	We know the old order is not coming back.	我们知道旧命令不会回来了
227	We shouldn't mourn it.	我们不应该哀悼它。
228	Nostalgia is not a strategy.	怀旧不是战略。
229	But we believe that from the fracture,	但我们相信从骨折,
230	we can build something bigger, better, stronger, more just.	我们可以建造更大的,更好的,更强大的,更公正的。
231	This is the task of the middle powers.	这是中间势力的任务.
232	The countries that have the most to lose from a world of fortresses	从一个堡垒世界中损失最多的国家
233	and the most to gain from genuine cooperation.	并且从真正的合作中得益最大。
234	The powerful have their power.	强者有其力.
235	We have something too.	我们也有东西
236	The capacity to stop pretending.	停止假装的能力。
237	To name reality.	以名实相.
238	To build our strength at home.	建立我们在家里的力量。
239	And to act together.	然后一起行动
240	That is Canada's path.	这是加拿大的道路。
241	We choose it openly and confidently.	我们公开和自信地选择它。
242	And it is a path wide open to any country willing to take it with us.	它是一个向愿意与我们一起走的任何国家敞开的道路。
243	Thank you very much.	谢谢
244	Well, thank you, Prime Minister.	谢谢你,首相
245	I don't think I've seen many standing ovations at Davos.	我想我在达沃斯没看过很多的卵巢
246	So that was interesting.	所以这很有趣。
247	You said there was a phrase in your speech where you said	你说你的演讲中有一句
248	sovereignty now is the ability to withstand pressure.	现在主权是承受压力的能力。
249	Isn't Canada almost uniquely vulnerable to pressure	加拿大几乎是独一无二的易受压力
250	because of the extent of your trade dependence on the United States?	就因为你对美国的依赖程度?
251	Well, the proof is that we have been able to withstand the pressure	证明我们承受了压力
252	and there has been considerable pressure.	压力很大
253	I'll give you a couple of facts.	令诸众生具足数事实.
254	We've actually created more jobs since the tariffs were put on	自从加征关税以来我们创造了更多的工作
255	than the United States in absolute number.	比美国绝对数。
256	Economies growing at the second fastest rate within the G7.	7国集团内经济体以第二快的速度增长。
257	There are pockets of extreme pressure without question in Canada.	在加拿大,毫无疑问存在着一些极端的压力。
258	But headline, we're reacting.	但是头条,我们的反应。
259	The second thing, and it's a fundamental point,	第二,这是个基本问题
260	is the recognition that we can give ourselves	是承认我们可以给自己
261	far more than any foreign country can take away.	比任何外国都强得多
262	There's lots of efficiencies in having one Canadian market,	一个加拿大市场效率很高
263	the trillion dollars of domestic investment	数万亿美元的国内投资
264	and building these partnerships abroad,	并在国外建立这些伙伴关系,
265	all of which are bigger returns than what's been lost.	这些都是更大的回报比已经失去。
266	That's not to say we would rather not lose it,	这不是说我们宁愿不失去它,
267	but we can withstand the pressure and we are.	但我们可以承受压力而且我们是。
268	I was interested that you said basically the old world's not coming back.	我很感兴趣,你说基本上旧世界不会回来了。
269	You're not seeing this as a period where you just have to get through	你不认为这是一个时期你只需要度过
270	and normalcy will return.	就会恢复正常
271	I think that is our view.	我认为这就是我们的看法。
272	And we regret it, but we're not going to sit around and mourn it.	我们对此感到遗憾,但我们不会坐视不理,哀悼它。
273	We're acting.	我们在演戏
274	And we're acting in a way, both it's in our interests,	我们的行为方式都符合我们的利益
275	but we believe in a way with others	但我们相信别人
276	that's building imperfectly in steps a new system.	一步步地建立一个不完美的新体系
277	I'll give you one example in handback,	我举个例子给你
278	which is we are members of trade agreements	我们是贸易协定的成员
279	that comprise already 1.4 billion people around the world.	全世界已有14亿人口。
280	So we have the most extensive network.	因此,我们拥有最广泛的网络。
281	We are trying with others to bring some of those networks together.	我们正在同其他国家一起努力使其中一些网络团结起来。
282	The most prominent example is the Trans-Pacific Partnership in the EU,	最突出的例子是欧盟跨太平洋伙伴关系,
283	Acting of a Bridge.	桥的演员
284	It's not a direct benefit for Canada,	这不是对加拿大的直接好处
285	but it is a benefit for Canada that these groups come together,	但这些团体聚集在一起对加拿大有好处,
286	Ngozi is here, consistent with the WTO rules, both of which are.	恩戈齐在这里,符合世贸组织的规则,两者都是如此。
287	And in that way, we're building back out amongst willing partners.	这样,我们就能在有意愿的合作伙伴中重新振作起来。
288	And you talked about the need not to put the sign in the window anymore,	你说过不要把标志放在窗户上
289	to pretend that things are still the same.	假装事情还是一样
290	Do you think, to put it directly,	你认为,直接说,
291	that the NATO alliance is still doing that,	北约联盟仍在这样做,
292	still pretending it's the old Trans-Atlantic Partnership	还假装是旧的跨大西洋伙伴关系
293	when it's really kind of going?	当它真的那种去?
294	I think clearly NATO is experiencing a test right now.	我认为,显然北约正在经历一个考验。
295	And the first response to that test has to be to respond	测试的第一个反应是
296	in a way that ensures the security of the Arctic,	确保北极的安全,
297	in a robust way for all possibilities.	以有力的方式为所有的可能性。
298	This is actually a point that we have been making in recent years.	这实际上是我们近年来提出的一个问题。
299	It's a point that I made at the NATO summit back in June,	这是我在6月北约首脑会议上提出的一个观点,
300	which seemed like a pledging summit,	它看起来像一个认捐峰会,
301	but also was to get NATO policies in the right direction.	但也是为了让北约的政策朝着正确的方向发展。
302	So I think in the immediate term,	因此,我认为在近期,
303	one of the imperatives is to reinforce things that Canada is doing,	当务之急之一是加强加拿大正在做的事情,
304	Nordic Baltic Eight are doing, the UK are doing,	北欧波罗的海八号正在做,英国正在做,
305	other NATO partners, France included,	法国的其他北约伙伴包括:
306	in a comprehensive way that provides much greater security in the Arctic.	以全面的方式为北极提供更大的安全。
307	This is the test, and so I wouldn't say the sign,	这是测试, 所以我不会说标志,
308	the NATO sign stays in the window,	北约的标志留在窗口,
309	but we've got to meet the moment of that.	但我们得面对这个时刻
310	You also, a big theme of your speech	你也是,你演讲的主题
311	was the need for middle powers to work together.	中间力量需要合作。
312	But you've just been to the other great power, to China.	但你刚刚去过另一个大国,中国
313	And I think people are very intrigued by seeing that meeting.	我认为人们很感兴趣看到那次会议。
314	And some people say, kind of, that's a mistake, really,	一些人说,有点, 这是一个错误,真的,
315	because you're going to make yourself more dependent on China,	因为你会让自己更依赖中国
316	they're not that benign either, the US will be very annoyed.	他们也不是那么善良, 美国会非常生气。
317	What's the defense of what you're doing	你做什么的辩护
318	and what do you have to get out of it?	你该从中得到什么?
319	Well, the first thing is to say it's not a defense, it's an item.	好吧,第一件事是说这不是一个辩护, 这是一个项目。
320	It's building out, it's something positive as opposed to against,	它正在逐渐形成,它是一些积极相对于反对,
321	we're for something as opposed to being against.	我们不是反对而是反对
322	The second is there are very clear guardrails in that relationship.	第二,这种关系有非常明确的护栏。
323	I spoke of calibration of relationships in my remarks,	我在讲话中谈到调整关系,
324	that's what I mean by it.	这就是我的意思。
325	But within those clear guardrails are huge opportunities	但是在这些清晰的护栏里有很多机会
326	in energy, both clean and conventional,	清洁和传统能源,
327	obviously in motor vehicles, in agriculture, in financial services,	很明显,机动车辆,农业,金融服务,
328	all of which is mutually beneficial.	这些都是互利的。
329	So it's additive and look, it's the second largest economy	所以它是添加剂,看, 它是第二大经济
330	and it's our second largest trading partner.	这是我们第二大贸易伙伴
331	We should have a strategic partnership with them	我们应该与他们建立战略伙伴关系
332	within those guardrails and that's what we've achieved.	在护栏里这就是我们的成就
333	And it is an interesting reversal, though,	虽然这是一个有趣的逆转,
334	because I think certainly during the Biden administration,	因为我认为在拜登政府期间
335	there was this sense that the Western world was trying to decouple from China,	有一种感觉西方世界试图与中国脱钩
336	de-risk at least and is now in this new world,	至少去冒险现在在这个新世界,
337	that really going to go into reverse and de-risking from China	这真的会进入反向和去冒险从中国
338	because there are other risks is less of a thing.	因为还有别的风险是更小的
339	Again, many in this room, this is their livelihood,	同样,在这个房间里的许多人, 这是他们的生计,
340	you need a web of connections and to miss out in that web	您需要一个连接网络, 并错过在网络中
341	some of the largest ones, United States, we already have that,	一些最大的国家,美国, 我们已经有,
342	China, India, Mercosur, European Union, that's a mistake.	中国,印度,南锥体共同市场,欧盟,这是个错误.
343	That's not managing your relationships properly.	你们的关系不是这样的
344	That makes you stronger, makes you more resilient.	这让你更强壮,让你更有弹性。
345	And then on top of that, I'll give you again,	再说一次,我再给你一次
346	I'll appeal since it's in the headlines to the Nordics.	我会向北欧人上诉的
347	Nordics plus Canada, it's 20% of global GDP.	北欧人加加拿大,占全球GDP的20%.
348	It's not the first thing people would realize.	这不是人们首先意识到的
349	But that relationship, which is deepening for security reasons,	但出于安全原因,这种关系正在加深,
350	because we're like-minded,	因为我们想法一致
351	those are the types of partnerships that I think we'll see more of.	这些是类型的伙伴关系我认为我们会看到更多的。
352	And you got a round of applause when you said something strong	当你说出有力的话,你得到了热烈的掌声
353	about standing on principle on Greenland.	在格陵兰问题上坚持原则。
354	Do you think we can find an off-ramp on that?	你觉得我们能在那找到一个防线吗?
355	I mean, I'm sure you'll speak of it, but put it this way,	我的意思是,我敢肯定,你会说, 但这样说,
356	if there isn't an off-ramp, where does this go?	如果没有防线,它会去哪?
357	I strongly believe that there is a better outcome	我坚信有更好的结果
358	that come from the discussions that have been catalyzed	讨论产生的问题
359	in an unusual way, admittedly,	以不寻常的方式, 承认,
360	and we absolutely stand by the principles that are referenced.	我们绝对坚持被提及的原则。
361	Yes, that solution starts with security	是的,这个解决方案始于安全
362	and a security, yes, of Greenland, but more broadly of the Arctic.	以及格陵兰的安全,是的, 但更广泛的北极。
363	Canada is Foursquare contributing to that.	加拿大正为此作出贡献。
364	We're at the start of a major ramp up above and beyond,	我们正处在一个大型升降台的开始阶段
365	so we'll be a major contributor to that.	因此,我们将是一个主要的贡献。
366	NATO has to deliver on that.	北约必须兑现这一点。
367	We're working intensively in order to do it.	我们正全力以赴
368	As well, prosperity for the people of Greenland.	同样,格陵兰人民的繁荣。
369	In the end, it comes back to the people there,	最后,它回到那里的人们,
370	and there are opportunities to do that in ways	并有机会这样做的方式
371	that would strengthen all of the alliance.	这将加强所有联盟。
372	And when President Trump says, oh, Greenland's under threat	而当川普总统说,哦,格陵兰受到威胁
373	from Russia, even from China, is that for real?	从俄罗斯,甚至从中国,这是真的吗?
374	I would say that there are threats.	我要说,存在着威胁。
375	Russia is, without question, a threat in the Arctic.	俄罗斯无疑是北极的威胁。
376	Without question.	没有问题。
377	Russia does lots of horrible things	俄罗斯做了很多可怕的事情
378	and will take the opportunity to condemn their unjustified	将借此机会谴责他们毫无理由的
379	and horrific assault on Ukraine almost at its fourth year.	和对乌克兰的可怕攻击几乎在第四年。
380	They are a real threat in the Arctic,	他们是一个真正的威胁在北极,
381	one against we need to protect,	一个反对我们需要保护,
382	which is why we have 364 five-day air, sea, and land presence.	这就是为什么我们有364天的空中、海上和陆地存在。
383	It's why we're adding to our submarine fleet,	这就是为什么我们增加我们的潜艇舰队,
384	adding to our air fighter fleet,	加入我们的空战机队,
385	why we're building out over the horizon radar	为什么我们要在地平线雷达上建造
386	to protect from Russian missile threats and others,	防止俄罗斯导弹威胁和其他威胁,
387	and why we will work with our NATO partners.	以及为什么我们将与我们的北约伙伴合作。
388	The threat is more prospective than actual at this stage	这一阶段的威胁比实际威胁更可能发生
389	in terms of actual activity in the Arctic,	就北极的实际活动而言,
390	and we intend to keep it that way.	我们打算保持这样。
391	Another big issue that's going to come up this week	这周还会有另一个大问题
392	is this Board of Peace that President Trump is keen on.	川普总统热衷于这个和平委员会
393	I'm not sure whether it's for Gaza or for the entire world,	我不知道是加沙还是整个世界
394	but apparently Canada's been invited.	但显然加拿大被邀请了
395	Are you going to join?	你要加入吗?
396	We have been invited, and let me start by,	我们被邀请了,让我开始,
397	I think we should recognise the progress that has been made	我认为我们应该承认已经取得的进展。
398	in at least getting towards the end of the first phase of this process.	至少在这一进程的第一阶段即将结束。
399	And the activation, if I can put it that way,	和激活, 如果我可以这么说,
400	the process to set up the Board of Peace is the start of phase two.	设立和平委员会的进程是第二阶段的开始。
401	Our view is, and that's to be welcomed,	我们的观点是, 这是值得欢迎的,
402	and this is a positive vehicle,	这是正向的飞行器,
403	our view is we need to work on the actual structure of the vehicle.	我们认为,我们需要研究车辆的实际结构。
404	You just referenced, is it for Gaza?	你刚刚提到,是给加沙的吗?
405	Well, the UN Security Council Resolution 2803	联合国安全理事会第2803号决议
406	references a Board of Peace for Gaza.	加沙和平委员会。
407	That's where we see it becoming immediately operative,	我们从那里看到它立即投入运行
408	and it needs to be, in our view,	而我们认为,这需要,
409	it's better to be designed in that way for the immediate needs there.	最好这样设计以满足那里的迫切需要
410	There are many other needs around the world,	世界各地还有许多其他需求
411	first point.	第一点。
412	Second point, it needs to coincide with the immediate	第二点,它需要与立即
413	full flow of humanitarian aid into Gaza.	人道主义援助充分流入加沙。
414	We are still not where we need to be.	我们仍处在需要的地方。
415	Conditions still are horrific, so that needs to come alongside.	情况仍然可怕,因此需要同时出现。
416	We think there's aspects of the governance	我们认为治理的有些方面
417	and the decision-making process that could be improved,	以及可加以改进的决策进程,
418	but we will work with others, obviously work with the United States,	但我们会和别人合作, 显然与美国合作,
419	because we can, to improve the situation,	因为我们可以改善情况,
420	the horrific situation there,	可怕的情况,
421	and to move onto a path to a true two-state solution.	并走上通往真正两国解决方案的道路。
422	There's a suggestion you can get permanent membership	有个建议是,你可以获得常任理事国席位
423	of the Board of Peace by ponying up a billion dollars.	给和平委员会注入10亿美元
424	Are you going to write a check for that?	你要为此开张支票吗?
425	We would write checks and deliver in kind	我们会写支票和实物
426	to improve the welfare of the people of Palestine,	改善巴勒斯坦人民的福利,
427	but we want to see it delivered direct to those outcomes,	但我们希望看到它直接针对这些结果,
428	those outcomes promoting peace,	促进和平的成果,
429	and so the mechanics and how it works that way.	因此,机械和它是如何工作的。
430	Okay, final question.	好吧,最后一个问题。
431	President Trump and a lot of people who agree with him	川普总统和很多人都同意他的观点
432	condemn globalism a lot,	经常谴责全球主义,
433	and I suspect you would be the kind of epitome of a globalist.	我怀疑你会是全球主义者的缩写
434	You worked for Goldman Sachs, I believe.	你为高盛工作,我相信。
435	You were a central banker.	你是一个中央银行家。
436	You're comfortable and lived in several countries.	你很舒服,住在几个国家里
437	Is globalism, first of all, is it a thing, and is it over?	首先,全球主义是一回事吗?
438	Is it?	是吗?
439	I think, well, look, understanding how the world works,	我想,嗯,你看,理解世界是如何工作的,
440	having appreciation for other cultures,	赞赏其他文化,
441	understanding the connections, and being able to,	了解关系,并有能力,
442	or at least appreciating ways that how we connect,	或者至少欣赏我们联系的方式,
443	whether it's through technology, trade, investment, culture,	无论是通过技术,贸易,投资,文化,
444	can enrich our lives, and that's a good thing,	可以丰富我们的生活, 这是好事,
445	and it also helps solve problems.	也帮助解决问题。
446	Being detached from where you live	远离你住的地方
447	and the broader needs of society,	和社会更广泛的需要,
448	there is an epithet for that.	有个词要写
449	I don't know that the G word is the one.	我不知道G字是那个
450	There's certainly what we're finding,	肯定有我们要找的
451	to go back to the points I was making,	回到我所说的重点
452	is that there are a number of like-minded countries	是有一些想法一致的国家
453	that want to work through partnership	希望通过伙伴关系开展工作
454	to achieve those goals for their citizens	为本国公民实现这些目标
455	and for the world more broadly.	更广义地说,
456	The call is for more to recognize	需要更多的认识
457	what's really going on right now	现在到底发生了什么
458	and to pool their resources to the benefit of citizens.	并集中资源造福公民。
459	So it won't be global.	所以它不会是全球性的。
460	It won't cover the globe, but it will be more powerful.	它不会覆盖全球,但它会更强大。
461	Okay, Prime Minister, thank you very much indeed.	好的,首相,非常感谢你

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