美国AI四大巨头接受听证询问，如何赢得AI竞赛？
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| 0:03 | Well thank you witnesses for your testimony and I'll start off with the first round of | 谢谢各位证人的作证 我先从第一轮开始 |
| 0:07 | questions and move down to us to our ranking member here. | 问问题,然后转到我们这里的排名成员。 |
| 0:10 | Thank you for your testimony. | 谢谢你的证词。 |
| 0:13 | Certainly makes me sleep better at night worried about Terminator and Skynet coming after us, | 我晚上睡得更好 担心终结者 和天网追我们 |
| 0:17 | knowing that you guys are behind the wheel. | 知道你们在车轮后面 |
| 0:20 | But in five words or less, start with you Mr. Smith, | 但用5个字或更少,从你史密斯先生开始, |
| 0:24 | what are the first, what are the five words you need to see from our government to make sure we | 首先,你需要从政府那里看到五个字,以确保我们 |
| 0:30 | win this AI race? | 赢得了人工智能比赛? |
| 0:34 | More electricians, that's two words, broader AI education. | 更多的电工,就是两个词,更广泛的AI教育. |
| 0:41 | And no using | 不许使用 |
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| 1 | Well thank you witnesses for your testimony and I'll start off with the first round of | 谢谢各位证人的作证 我先从第一轮开始 |
| 2 | questions and move down to us to our ranking member here. | 问问题,然后转到我们这里的排名成员。 |
| 3 | Thank you for your testimony. | 谢谢你的证词。 |
| 4 | Certainly makes me sleep better at night worried about Terminator and Skynet coming after us, | 我晚上睡得更好 担心终结者 和天网追我们 |
| 5 | knowing that you guys are behind the wheel. | 知道你们在车轮后面 |
| 6 | But in five words or less, start with you Mr. Smith, | 但用5个字或更少,从你史密斯先生开始, |
| 7 | what are the first, what are the five words you need to see from our government to make sure we | 首先,你需要从政府那里看到五个字,以确保我们 |
| 8 | win this AI race? | 赢得了人工智能比赛? |
| 9 | More electricians, that's two words, broader AI education. | 更多的电工,就是两个词,更广泛的AI教育. |
| 10 | And no using | 不许使用 |
| 11 | chat GPT as a phone a friend. | 作为朋友聊天GPT. |
| 12 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 13 | I would say that we need to focus on streamlining the | 我要说,我们需要集中力量精简 |
| 14 | ability to build large things. | 有能力建造大的东西。 |
| 15 | Policies to help us run faster in the innovation race. | 帮助我们在创新竞赛中跑得更快的政策。 |
| 16 | Allow supply chain sensible policy. | 允许供应链的合理政策。 |
| 17 | That was good. | 这是很好的。 |
| 18 | So what I hear there is something pretty | 所以,我听到的东西是美丽的 |
| 19 | similar to the races we've won before. | 和我们之前赢得的比赛相似 |
| 20 | Nuclear energy for example, you know the Germans and | 比如核能,你知道德国人和 |
| 21 | Austrians really led the innovation around that but we won the race because we put a massive | 奥地利人真正领导了创新,但我们赢得了比赛,因为我们投入了巨大的 |
| 22 | government effort collaborating with our universities and others to win that race. | 政府努力与我们的大学和其他人合作赢得这场比赛。 |
| 23 | Space, | 空间 |
| 24 | the Soviets put the first man in space but we won the space race because we adopted a framework | 苏联人把第一个人放在太空 但我们赢得了太空竞赛 因为我们采用了一个框架 |
| 25 | to ensure that we won aviation, automobiles, etc. | 确保我们赢得航空,汽车等。 |
| 26 | So what I hear from you is you do need support | 我从你那里听到的 你确实需要支持 |
| 27 | from our government but you also need the government to stay out of your way so you can innovate | 从我们政府,但你还需要政府 远离你的方式,让你可以创新 |
| 28 | and win this race. | 并赢得这场比赛。 |
| 29 | How do we incentivize companies to do business here in America | 我们如何激励公司在美国做生意? |
| 30 | to make sure we win this race in America and America leads not just China but other non-state | 确保我们赢得这场美国和美国的比赛 不仅带领中国,而且带领其他非国家 |
| 31 | actors too. | 还有演员 |
| 32 | I mean I think that the scariest thing about AI from a capability standpoint is | 我的意思是,我认为AI最可怕的事情 从能力的角度是 |
| 33 | doesn't have to be a state actor to win this race. | 不必是州演员才能赢得这场比赛 |
| 34 | It's not like nuclear energy, it's not like space | 这不是核能,也不是太空 |
| 35 | technology. | 技术。 |
| 36 | I mean a non-state actor could just as easily win this race and wield more power than | 我的意思是,一个非国家演员 可以同样容易地赢得这场比赛 并拥有更多的权力比 |
| 37 | anyone else. | 别人。 |
| 38 | So how do we encourage innovators investment to happen here in America to ensure | 我们如何鼓励创新者 在美国投资,以确保 |
| 39 | we win this race? | 我们赢了这场比赛? |
| 40 | Mr. Elman, you want to start? | 艾尔曼先生,你想开始吗? |
| 41 | We were honored to announce back in January | 我们很荣幸在一月份宣布回来 |
| 42 | Project Stargate, a 500 billion dollar investment in United States infrastructure. | Stargate项目,美国基础设施投资5000亿美元. |
| 43 | That is now well | 现在好了 |
| 44 | underway as I mentioned getting to see it yesterday in Abilene. | 就像我昨天在阿比伦看到的一样 |
| 45 | The first site was incredible. | 第一个网站是不可思议的。 |
| 46 | We need a lot more of that. | 我们需要更多的。 |
| 47 | We need certainty on the ability to build out this entire supply chain, | 我们需要确定是否有能力建立整个供应链, |
| 48 | build the data centers, permit the electricity. | 建立数据中心,允许供电。 |
| 49 | We'd love to bring chip production here, | 我们想把芯片生产带过来 |
| 50 | network production here, server rack production here. | 这里的网络生产 服务器架生产 |
| 51 | And I think the world does want to invest. | 我认为世界确实想要投资。 |
| 52 | We have a lot of global investment flowing into the U.S. to do this. | 我们有大量的全球投资流入美国来做这件事. |
| 53 | We also want to make sure | 我们也想确定 |
| 54 | that other countries are able to build with our technology, use our models and sort of like be in | 利用我们的模型 以及像我们这样的国家 |
| 55 | our orbit and you know use U.S. diffusion of technology here. | 利用美国的技术传播 |
| 56 | So that's really important. | 这很重要 |
| 57 | We need to make sure that the highest skilled researchers that want to come work at U.S. companies | 我们需要确保最有技能的研究人员 希望来美国公司工作 |
| 58 | can come here and do that. | 可以来这里做这个。 |
| 59 | We need to make sure that companies like OpenAI and others have | 我们需要确保OpenAI等公司 |
| 60 | legal clarity on how we're going to operate. | 法律上明确我们如何运作。 |
| 61 | Of course there will be rules. | 当然会有规则的 |
| 62 | Of course there | 当然 |
| 63 | need to be some guardrails. | 需要一些护栏。 |
| 64 | This is a very impactful technology. | 这是一个非常有影响力的技术。 |
| 65 | But we need to be able | 但我们需要能够 |
| 66 | to be competitive globally. | 具有全球竞争力。 |
| 67 | We need to be able to train. | 我们需要能够训练。 |
| 68 | We need to be able to understand how | 我们需要能够理解 |
| 69 | we're going to offer services and sort of where the rules of the road are going to be. | 我们要提供各种服务 以及路况 |
| 70 | So clarity there and I think an approach like the internet, which did lead to flourishing of this | 如此清晰,我认为一个方法 像互联网, 这确实导致了繁荣 |
| 71 | country in a very big way, we need that again. | 以一个非常大的方式,我们再次需要这一点。 |
| 72 | Dr. Hsu? | 许医生? |
| 73 | I would add I think computing is a | 我还想说,我认为计算是一种 |
| 74 | foundation to all of this. | 这一切的基础。 |
| 75 | We want to have more compute built in the U.S. by U.S. companies and | 我们想让更多的计算 在美国由美国公司和 |
| 76 | ensure that we have a great environment for that. | 确保我们有一个伟大的环境。 |
| 77 | We want to ensure that our technology around the | 我们希望确保我们的技术围绕 |
| 78 | world is also used broadly and in the right ways. | 世界也得到广泛和正确的利用。 |
| 79 | So I think the conversation about export | 所以我觉得关于出口的谈话 |
| 80 | and rules should just be simple, easy to follow, easy to enforce and enable U.S. AI platforms to | 规则应该很简单,容易遵循,易于执行,并使美国AI平台能够 |
| 81 | be the foundation. | 成为基础。 |
| 82 | And then certainly the comments around bringing manufacturing back home and | 当然,关于把制造业带回家乡 |
| 83 | ensuring that we have the right talent base are all extremely important elements of that. | 确保我们拥有适当的人才基础是其中极其重要的因素。 |
| 84 | Are companies weighing doing business in AI in America versus China? | 在美国对中国, |
| 85 | Are the companies making that side by side comparison? | 公司是边做边做比较吗? |
| 86 | I think if you look across the world, there are countries and companies that will | 我想如果你环顾全球, 有国家和公司会 |
| 87 | ask those questions. | 问这些问题。 |
| 88 | If it's hard to obtain U.S. technology, although U.S. technology is the best, | 如果很难获得美国技术, 虽然美国技术是最好的, |
| 89 | if it's hard to obtain, then there's a hunger for AI and they will choose what is available. | 如果很难得到,那么对AI有渴望,他们会选择什么是可用的. |
| 90 | And if China is available, that will certainly be an outcome that we would not like to see. | 如果有中国,那肯定是一个我们不想看到的结果。 |
| 91 | Well, I think I hear the words infrastructure, electricians, universities, regulatory framework, | 嗯,我想我听到的词 基础设施,电工,大学,管理框架, |
| 92 | and I think those are things we can help with. | 我认为这些是我们能帮忙的 |
| 93 | I hear words like innovation and talent and I say, | 我听到创新和天赋之类的话,我说, |
| 94 | I hear Dr. Su run faster. | 听说苏医生跑得更快 |
| 95 | Those aren't things that government can't manufacture talent. | 那些不是政府不能制造人才的东西 |
| 96 | We can't | 我们不能 |
| 97 | make you run faster, but we can give you the tools to do that. | 让你跑得更快 但我们可以给你工具 |
| 98 | And I think it's time that we create | 我认为是时候我们创造 |
| 99 | a framework so that you have the tools you need to win this race because you're going to be the | 一个框架,让你有 所需的工具 赢得这场比赛 因为你将是 |
| 100 | ones that win it, not us. | 那些赢得了它,而不是我们。 |
| 101 | Thank you for your testimony and recommender Catwell. | 谢谢你的证词和Catwell的推荐人 |
| 102 | Thank you, Mr. Chairman. | 谢谢你,主席先生。 |
| 103 | I'd like to continue that same theme generally about competitiveness. | 我想继续这个关于竞争力的一般主题。 |
| 104 | Do we need NIST to set standards? | 我们需要NIST来制定标准吗? |
| 105 | If you just yes or no, just go down the line. | 如果你只是是或不是, 只是走下线。 |
| 106 | I don't think we need it. | 我认为我们不需要它。 |
| 107 | It can be helpful. | 会有帮助的 |
| 108 | Yes. | 对 |
| 109 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 110 | So in the context of | 因此,在背景 |
| 111 | what we're talking about here, we're really just talking, I don't know, Mr. Smith or Mr. | 我们在这里谈论的, 我们真的只是谈论, 我不知道,史密斯先生或先生。 |
| 112 | Integrator or Dr. Su, the issue here is if we want to move fast, we want to create just like | 整形师或苏博士,这里的问题是 如果我们想快速移动, 我们想创造就像 |
| 113 | electricity, the standards by which we want to move fast. | 电力,我们想要快速移动的标准。 |
| 114 | Here, I would just call it code for | 在这里,我叫它代码 |
| 115 | code is what we want, right? | 代码是我们想要的 对吧? |
| 116 | We want NIST to do something in the standard setting that will allow | 我们希望NIST在标准设定中有所作为,允许 |
| 117 | us to move much faster. | 动作要快得多 |
| 118 | Is that right, either Mr. Smith or Mr. Integrator? | 是吗,史密斯先生或整形师先生? |
| 119 | What I would say | 我会说什么 |
| 120 | is this. | 这是这个。 |
| 121 | First of all, NIST is where standards go to be adopted, but it's not necessarily where | 首先,NIST是用来通过标准的地方,但不一定是用来 |
| 122 | first going to be created. | 首先要创建。 |
| 123 | Thank you for that clarity. | 谢谢你的澄清 |
| 124 | We're talking about a industry, | 我们在谈论一个行业, |
| 125 | IEEE, lots of different organizations, industry input, and then they're adopted. | IEEE,许多不同的组织,行业投入,然后被采纳. |
| 126 | So yes, | 所以说 |
| 127 | let's clarify that. | 让我们澄清一下 |
| 128 | Let's clarify that. | 让我们澄清这一点。 |
| 129 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 130 | I think that's the way it works. | 我想这是它的工作方式。 |
| 131 | Yes. | 对 |
| 132 | But you think we need to do that, particularly if the United States wants to lead? | 但是,你认为我们需要这样做,特别是如果美国想要领导? |
| 133 | We will need industry standards. | 我们需要行业标准。 |
| 134 | We will need American adoption of standards. | 我们需要美国通过标准。 |
| 135 | And you are right, | 你说得对 |
| 136 | we will need U.S. efforts to really ensure that the world buys into these standards. | 我们需要美国努力真正确保世界接受这些标准。 |
| 137 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 138 | Mr. Integrator? | 集成师先生? |
| 139 | I think it's important that when you're working with standards, | 我认为重要的是,当你工作 在标准, |
| 140 | what that allows for is a common vocabulary, which allows for acceleration. | 允许的是一个共同的词汇, 它允许加速。 |
| 141 | And so to the | 也一样 |
| 142 | extent that we can step into that role and establish touch points where everyone can agree | * 我们能够发挥这一作用,建立人人都能同意的接触点; |
| 143 | on specific things, that will lead to an acceleration both domestically and abroad. | 在具体问题上,这将导致国内外的加速。 |
| 144 | I don't know if drilling down more on what you think those are, but in general, | 不知你是否更了解你的想法 但总的来说 |
| 145 | when I think about the internet and HTTP or HTML or any of the TCPIP, we're talking about things | 当我想到互联网和HTTP 或HTML 或任何TCPIP, 我们谈论的东西 |
| 146 | that allowed us to move faster. | 这使得我们能更快地前进。 |
| 147 | And getting those standards established helped us do that. | 制定这些标准有助于我们做到这一点。 |
| 148 | On the export issue, Mr. Integrator, the issue of cloud sources shouldn't be left out. | 关于出口问题,Integrator先生,云源问题不应该被忽略. |
| 149 | If we say, | 如果我们说, |
| 150 | let's go with Malaysia. | 让我们去马来西亚。 |
| 151 | Malaysia is going to tell us that they can certify that there is no | 马来西亚将告诉我们,他们可以证明不存在 |
| 152 | diversion of these ships to China. | 这些船只被转移至中国。 |
| 153 | And we basically have a way that we can make sure that | 我们基本上有办法确保 |
| 154 | this is understood and monitored. | 这一点得到理解和监测。 |
| 155 | Then we also want access, right? | 那我们也要进入 对吧? |
| 156 | We want access by U.S. companies. | 我们希望美国公司能进入 |
| 157 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 158 | I think Lisa's point was excellent, right? | 我认为丽莎的观点是极好的,对不对? |
| 159 | At the end of the day, the world wants to be able | 最终,世界希望能够 |
| 160 | to build and deploy artificial intelligence in a very broad way. | 以非常广泛的方式建立和部署人工智能。 |
| 161 | And nature whores a vacuum. | 而自然淫荡为真空. |
| 162 | If we do not step into that role, other technology will step in that role. | 如果我们不发挥这种作用,其他技术将发挥这种作用。 |
| 163 | If it is suboptimal, | 如果这是次优, |
| 164 | so be it. | 随你便 |
| 165 | It's better to have something that is suboptimal than have nothing. | 拥有一些不理想的东西 胜过一无所有 |
| 166 | We don't want a reoccurrence of a Huawei that develops faster and then has a government back | 我们不希望华威再出现 发展得更快 然后政府又回来了 |
| 167 | door, and then we all have to raise opposition. | 门,然后我们都得提出反对。 |
| 168 | I'm for a tech NATO. | 我为北约技术服务 |
| 169 | I'm for the five most | 我为五大 |
| 170 | sophisticated democracies and tech nations setting the rules of the road and saying, | 成熟的民主国家和技术国家制定了道路规则,并说: |
| 171 | this is who you should buy from. | 这是你应该买的人。 |
| 172 | Don't buy from anybody else who has a government back door. | 不要从其他有政府后门的人那里买东西 |
| 173 | Not a good idea. | 这不是个好主意。 |
| 174 | So that's how we get leverage. | 这就是我们如何得到杠杆。 |
| 175 | I'm not so hot on the president's tariff agenda | 总统的关税议程我可没这么热心 |
| 176 | for this very reason because we're not building the alliances. | 因为我们不是在建立联盟 |
| 177 | We're creating the enemies. | 我们在制造敌人 |
| 178 | And what I want to do is get the supply chain here, get the semiconductor flow here, lower the | 我想做的是把供应链弄到这里 把半导体流到这里 降低 |
| 179 | cost, and go as fast as we can. | 成本,并尽可能快。 |
| 180 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 181 | I agree with that. | 我同意这一点。 |
| 182 | I don't think anybody | 我觉得没有人 |
| 183 | is not going to agree with that. | 我们不会同意这一点。 |
| 184 | I think that's an excellent objective. | 我认为这是一个很好的目标。 |
| 185 | I just think that | 我只是觉得 |
| 186 | what will happen beyond the five NATO companies is that there will be a demand for artificial | 北约五个连以外的情况是,需要人为的 |
| 187 | intelligence, and they will proceed with what they can proceed with. | 情报部门,他们会继续他们可以进行的工作。 |
| 188 | Dr. Su, what is your view of this about how we win, how we protect our objectives, | 苏博士,你如何看待我们如何获胜 如何保护我们的目标 |
| 189 | but we're more aggressive on the export strategy? | 但我们在出口战略上更积极? |
| 190 | Well, I think there is a clear recognition that | 嗯,我认为有一个明确的承认, |
| 191 | we need an export strategy. | 我们需要一个出口策略。 |
| 192 | And so having this conversation is very important. | 所以有这种对话是非常重要的。 |
| 193 | And from our | 从我们 |
| 194 | perspective, the idea is to ensure that our allies, and frankly, I use allies in the very | 从这个角度来说,这个想法是确保我们的盟友, 坦率地说,我利用盟友, |
| 195 | broadest sense, get access to the great American technology that we have with the appropriate | 获得我们拥有的美国科技 |
| 196 | controls in place. | 控制装置到位。 |
| 197 | And I think you can do both. | 我想你可以做两个。 |
| 198 | To your earlier comment, Ranking Member Kent, | 对于你早些时候的评论, 排名成员肯特, |
| 199 | well about the need to have US technologies in those countries, I think those countries | 我认为这些国家需要美国的技术 |
| 200 | are actually very interested in doing that, because we do have the best technology today, | 其实很有兴趣这样做, 因为我们今天有最好的技术, |
| 201 | and using that to really build this broad AI ecosystem is really our opportunity. | 而利用它来真正建立 这个广泛的AI生态系统 确实是我们的机会。 |
| 202 | I agree. | и種 |
| 203 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 204 | The Senior Senator from Ohio. | 俄亥俄州资深参议员. |
| 205 | Thank you, Chairman Chihi. | 谢谢你,戚主席 |
| 206 | Make sure Senator Cruz heard that one. | 确保Cruz参议员听到了 |
| 207 | So first of all, thank you for being here and taking the time. | 所以,首先,谢谢你在这里 和花时间。 |
| 208 | If I could just real quickly | 如果我能快点 |
| 209 | confirm that I've heard what you said pretty unanimously, which is we need | 证实我听到你说的很一致 我们需要 |
| 210 | dramatically more power generation in this country. | 这个国家的发电量要大得多 |
| 211 | Is that correct? | 是吗? |
| 212 | So Dr. Su, you just recently | 苏医生,你最近才来 |
| 213 | did a partnership with TSMC to manufacture your chips here in America. | 和TSMC合作 在美国制造你的芯片 |
| 214 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 215 | I think it's | 我觉得 |
| 216 | a little bit long overdue. | 早该来了 |
| 217 | I wish we had done more of that earlier. | 我希望我们早些时候做了更多。 |
| 218 | Are those semiconductor | 这些是半导体 |
| 219 | fabs high energy users? | 高能量用户? |
| 220 | Thank you, Senator. | 谢谢,参议员 |
| 221 | We are very pleased with our efforts together | 我们对共同努力感到非常高兴 |
| 222 | with the government on bringing more manufacturing back to the United States. | 让更多的制造业回到美国 |
| 223 | To your question, | 对于你的问题, |
| 224 | certainly semiconductor manufacturing plants are high energy users, and we do need more power | 当然半导体制造厂是高能用户,我们确实需要更多的动力 |
| 225 | for both manufacturing as well as for data centers, as you mentioned. | 正如你提到的,无论是制造还是数据中心。 |
| 226 | And without chips, | 没有筹码, |
| 227 | this just doesn't work. | 这不起作用 |
| 228 | If we don't have the highest performance chips made here in the United | 如果我们没有 最好的性能芯片在这里 在美国 |
| 229 | States, this is not going to happen here, correct? | 国家,这是不会发生在这里,对不对? |
| 230 | We absolutely need the highest performing chips, | 我们绝对需要最高性能的芯片 |
| 231 | and we also need the entire ecosystem for chip manufacturing. | 我们还需要整个生态系统 用于芯片制造 |
| 232 | So wafers are one piece, | 所以,饼是一块, |
| 233 | but there are many other pieces as well. | 但也有很多其他的作品 |
| 234 | And are those chips powered by solar power and windmills? | 这些芯片是由太阳能和风车供电的? |
| 235 | Today, they're not, but I think there are opportunities to certainly do that. | 今天,他们不是, 但我认为有机会这样做。 |
| 236 | So do you think it's outrageous that last year, because of the policies of the Biden administration, | 所以,你认为这是令人愤慨的,去年, 由于拜登政府的政策, |
| 237 | that 90% of new power generation in this country was windmills and solar panels, | 这个国家90%的新发电 是风车和太阳能电池板, |
| 238 | and we absolutely kneecapped American energy. | 而我们完全 膝盖顶住了美国的能量。 |
| 239 | We have a thousand years of natural gas sitting | 我们有一千年的天然气 |
| 240 | in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and West Virginia, and yet 90% of power generation in this country last year | 宾夕法尼亚州、俄亥俄州和西弗吉尼亚州 去年这个国家发电量的90% |
| 241 | was solar panels and windmills. | 是太阳能电池板和风车 |
| 242 | Does that make this country more competitive or less competitive? | 这是否使这个国家更具竞争力或更缺乏竞争力? |
| 243 | Anybody can jump into that one that wants to answer that. | 任何人都可以跳进那个想回答的。 |
| 244 | Let me say two things. | 让我说两句话 |
| 245 | One, you're | 一个,你是 |
| 246 | right. | 对 |
| 247 | We need more electricity. | 我们需要更多的电力。 |
| 248 | I think our industry, it's worth remembering, is only going | 我认为我们的产业,值得记住,只是去 |
| 249 | to account for 15% of the total additional electricity the country's going to need. | 占全国新增电量的15% |
| 250 | We're going to need electricity from a variety of sources. | 我们需要各种来源的电力。 |
| 251 | Today, in the United States, 56% of our | 今天,在美国,我们56% |
| 252 | electricity comes from carbon. | 电力来自碳。 |
| 253 | 44% comes from carbon-free energy, meaning nuclear wind or solar. | 44%来自无碳能源,意为核风或太阳能. |
| 254 | We need a broad-based approach and we need a diversity. | 我们需要一种基础广泛的办法,我们需要一种多样性。 |
| 255 | But again, 90% | 但还是90% |
| 256 | was energy that's not affordable, it's not abundant, and it's not reliable. | 能量是买不起的,不充裕,也不可靠。 |
| 257 | Let me just | 让我来 |
| 258 | shift gears. | 转向架。 |
| 259 | Mr. Altman, thank you for, first of all, creating your platform on an open basis | 阿尔特曼先生,首先谢谢你在开放的基础上创建你的平台 |
| 260 | and agreeing to stick to the principles of non-profit status. | 并同意坚持非营利地位的原则。 |
| 261 | I think that's very important. | 我觉得这很重要 |
| 262 | Do you think that the internet age did a good job between the beginning of the 90s | 互联网时代在90年代开始以来 表现是否很好? |
| 263 | through the 2000s of protecting children? | 通过2000年代的儿童保护? |
| 264 | I would say not particularly. | 我将说不是特别。 |
| 265 | You're a new father, | 你是一个新父亲, |
| 266 | correct? | 对不对? |
| 267 | Yes. | 对 |
| 268 | Congratulations. | 祝贺你 |
| 269 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 270 | He's doing well? | 他还好吗? |
| 271 | He is. | 没错 |
| 272 | It's the most amazing | 这是最神奇的 |
| 273 | thing ever. | 永远的事 |
| 274 | I don't think you want your child's best friend to be an AI bot. | 我想你不希望你孩子的好朋友成为AI机器人. |
| 275 | I do not. | 我没有。 |
| 276 | So what | 那又怎样? |
| 277 | can we do? | 可以吗? |
| 278 | How can we work together to protect children? | 我们如何能够共同努力保护儿童? |
| 279 | We've talked a lot about some of the | 我们谈了很多关于一些 |
| 280 | things we're doing here. | 我们在这里做的事情。 |
| 281 | We're trying to learn the lessons of previous generation. | 我们试图吸取前辈的教训. |
| 282 | That's kind | 好样的 |
| 283 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}这就像我们所看到的 | |
| 284 | People make mistakes and you do it better next time. | 人犯错误,你下次会做得更好 |
| 285 | One thing we say a lot | 我们常说一件事 |
| 286 | internally is we want to treat our adult users like adults. | 内部是我们要像对待成年人一样对待成年人。 |
| 287 | We want to give them a lot of | 我们想给他们很多 |
| 288 | flexibility. | 灵活性。 |
| 289 | We want to let them use the service with a lot of freedom. | 我们想让他们使用这项服务 有很多自由。 |
| 290 | And for children, there | 对于孩子们来说,那里 |
| 291 | needs to be a much higher level of protection, which means the service won't do things that they | 需要更高水平的保护 也就是说服务不会做他们做的事 |
| 292 | might want. | 说不定想 |
| 293 | Now, we're still early, so sometimes people say, oh, you're being too strict on the | 现在,我们还很早,所以有时人们说, 哦,你太严格了, |
| 294 | rules. | 规则。 |
| 295 | We can't perfectly tell this, but if we could draw a line and if we knew for sure when a | 我们不能完全告诉这一点, 但是如果我们可以划出一条线 如果我们知道确定什么时候一个 |
| 296 | user was a child or an adult, we would allow adults to be much more permissive and we'd have | 使用者是孩子还是成年人, 我们会允许成年人 更加宽容,我们会 |
| 297 | tighter rules for children. | 更严格的儿童规则。 |
| 298 | What I would ask is if you could have your team commit to having your | 我想问的是 如果你能让你的团队 承诺拥有你的 |
| 299 | teams work with our teams to make certain that we put together the right framework early on, | 各小组与我们的小组合作,以确保我们及早建立正确的框架, |
| 300 | I think is the best way we can move forward. | 我认为这是我们前进的最佳方式。 |
| 301 | Because we don't want to overregulate, | 因为我们不想过度管制 |
| 302 | but we can't repeat the mistakes of the internet and social media era where children got harmed. | 但我们不能重复网络和社交媒体时代的错误, |
| 303 | We'd be delighted to work with you all on that. | 我们很乐意和你们合作 |
| 304 | It's super important. | 这很重要 |
| 305 | Can I say one more thing | 我能再说一件事吗? |
| 306 | about what you said? | 关于你说的? |
| 307 | This idea of AI and social relationships, I think this is a new thing that | AI这个想法和社会关系, 我认为这是一个新事物, |
| 308 | we need to pay a lot of attention to. | 我们需要多加注意。 |
| 309 | People are relying on AI more and more for life advice, | 人们越来越依赖AI提供生活咨询, |
| 310 | sort of emotional support, that kind of thing. | 某种情感支持,那种东西。 |
| 311 | It's a newer thing in recent months, but I don't | 近几个月来是比较新的事 但我不 |
| 312 | think it's all bad, but I think we have to understand it and watch it very carefully. | 觉得这很糟 但我认为我们必须理解 仔细观察 |
| 313 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 314 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 315 | And thank you for that commitment. | 谢谢你的承诺。 |
| 316 | It's very appreciated. | 甚受赞赏. |
| 317 | I've talked | 我谈过了 |
| 318 | your team already. | 你的团队已经。 |
| 319 | Good people. | 善众生. |
| 320 | Great. | 不错 |
| 321 | Entredor先生,你快点说 | |
| 322 | the intersection between the importance of a robust stable coin ecosystem here in America | 美国一个稳定的硬币生态系统的重要性 |
| 323 | and how that has a future with payments and how AI will factor into that? | 和它如何有 未来与支付, 以及AI将如何考虑 这一点? |
| 324 | Because | 因为 |
| 325 | I don't think people see how this fits into the broader puzzle. | 我不认为人们会看到 这如何适合 更大的谜题。 |
| 326 | So thank you for the question. | 所以,谢谢你的问题。 |
| 327 | And we did start out as a crypto based company | 我们从一个基于密码的公司开始 |
| 328 | with a hobby that kind of got away from us a little bit. | 有个爱好 有点离我们远点 |
| 329 | Look, I think that stable coins, | 你看,我认为稳定硬币, |
| 330 | crypto, AI, they share certain DNA in common, which is that they are attempts to build | 密码,AI,他们有某些共同的DNA, 那就是他们试图建立 |
| 331 | into a future where new technology will make things better for society. | 在未来,新技术将使社会更美好。 |
| 332 | And there is a huge | 有一个巨大的 |
| 333 | potential for us to use stable coins, crypto, and AI in a combination for better outcomes. | 我们有可能使用稳定的硬币、密码和AI, |
| 334 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 335 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 336 | And that was the quickest coup since 1959. | 这是1959年以来最迅速的政变。 |
| 337 | Senator Klobuchar. | 克洛布查尔参议员 |
| 338 | Thank you very much, Senator Cruz. | 非常感谢 Cruz参议员 |
| 339 | A lot of exciting things with AI, | 很多激动人心的AI, |
| 340 | especially from a state like mine that's home to the Mayo Clinic with the potential to unleash | 特别是来自象我这样的国家 在那里的马约诊所 有可能释放 |
| 341 | scientific research while we have mapped the human genome and we have rare diseases that can | 虽然我们绘制了人类基因组图 并且有罕见的疾病 |
| 342 | be solved. | 解决。 |
| 343 | So there's a lot of positive, but we all know, as you've all expressed, there's | 所以有很多正面的,但我们都知道, 正如你们都表达的那样, |
| 344 | challenges that we need to get at with permitting reform. | 在允许改革的情况下,我们需要应对的挑战。 |
| 345 | I'm a big believer in that. | 我非常相信这一点。 |
| 346 | Energy development. | 能源开发. |
| 347 | Thank you, Mr. Smith, for mentioning this with wind and solar and the | 谢谢你,史密斯先生, 提到这一点 风和太阳能, |
| 348 | potential for more fusion and nuclear, but wind and solar, the price going down dramatically | 可能增加核聚变,但风能和太阳能 价格大幅下跌 |
| 349 | in the last few years. | 在过去几年。 |
| 350 | And to get there, we're going to have to do a lot better. | 为了到达那里,我们必须做得更好。 |
| 351 | 我觉得David Brooks说得最好 我很难写AI | |
| 352 | because it is literally unknowable whether this technology is leading us to heaven or hell. | 因为这种技术是通往天堂还是地狱 实在是不可知 |
| 353 | We wanted to lead us to heaven. | 我们想带我们去天堂 |
| 354 | And I think we do that by making sure we have some rules | 我认为我们这样做, 确保我们有一些规则 |
| 355 | of the road in place so it doesn't get stymied or set backwards because of scams or because of use | 避免因为骗局或使用而受阻或倒置 |
| 356 | by people who want to do us harm. | 是那些想伤害我们的人干的 |
| 357 | As mentioned by Senator Campbell, Senator Thune and I have | 正如坎贝尔参议员、瑟恩参议员和我所说的 |
| 358 | teamed up on legislation to set up basic guardrails for the riskiest non-defense applications | 协同立法,为最危险的非防卫性申请建立基本警戒设施 |
| 359 | of AI. | 来文日期: 1999年7月1日 |
| 360 | Mr. Altman, do you agree that a risk-based approach to regulation is the best way to place | 阿尔特曼先生,你是否同意基于风险的监管方式是最佳办法 |
| 361 | necessary guardrails for AI without stifling innovation? | 为AI提供必要的护栏而不抑制创新? |
| 362 | I do. | 当然 |
| 363 | That makes a lot of sense to | 这很有道理 |
| 364 | Okay, thanks. | 好的,谢谢。 |
| 365 | And did you figure that out in your attic? | 你在阁楼里想通了吗? |
| 366 | No, that was a more recent discovery. | 不 这是最近发现的 |
| 367 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 368 | Very good. | 很不错。 |
| 369 | Just want to make sure. | 只是想确认一下 |
| 370 | Our bill directs, Mr. Smith, the Commerce Department to develop ways of educating | 我们的法案指示 史密斯先生 商务部制定教育方法 |
| 371 | consumers on how to safely use AI systems. | 消费者如何安全使用人工智能系统。 |
| 372 | Do you agree that consumers need to be more educated? | 你同意消费者需要接受更多的教育吗? |
| 373 | This was one of your answers to your five words, so I assume you do. | 这是你回答你五个字的答案之一 所以我猜你也是 |
| 374 | Yes. | 对 |
| 375 | And I think it's incumbent upon us as companies and across the business | 公司和企业都有责任 |
| 376 | to contribute to that education as well. | 也为这种教育作出贡献。 |
| 377 | Okay, very good. | 好吧,很不错。 |
| 378 | Back to you, Mr. Altman. | 归你了,阿尔特曼先生。 |
| 379 | The Americans rely on AI, as we know, increasingly on some high-impact problems to make them be able | 美国人依赖AI,我们知道, 越来越依赖一些高影响的问题 让他们有能力 |
| 380 | to trust that. | 相信这一点。 |
| 381 | We need to make sure that we can trust the model outputs. | 我们需要确保我们能够信任模式产出。 |
| 382 | The New York Times | 纽约时报 |
| 383 | recently reported earlier this week that AI hallucinations, new word to me, where models | 最近本周早些时候报道 AI幻觉,新词给我, 在那里模型 |
| 384 | generate incorrect or misleading results are getting worse. | 产生不正确或误导性的结果正在恶化。 |
| 385 | That's their words. | 这是他们的话。 |
| 386 | What standards | 哪些标准 |
| 387 | or metrics does open AI use to evaluate the quality of its training data and model outputs | 或衡量标准确实开放了AI用于评价其培训数据和示范产出的质量 |
| 388 | for correctness? | 为了正确性? |
| 389 | On the whole, AI hallucinations are getting much better. | 总的来说,AI的幻觉已经好转了. |
| 390 | We have not solved the | 我们还没解决 |
| 391 | problem entirely yet, but we've made pretty remarkable progress over the last few years. | 问题完全还没有解决, 但我们在过去几年中取得了相当显著的进展。 |
| 392 | When we first launched ChatGBT, it would hallucinate things all the time. | 当我们首次推出ChatGBT时,它会不断产生幻觉. |
| 393 | This idea of | 这个想法 |
| 394 | robustness, being sure you can trust the information, we've made huge progress there. | 坚固,确保你能相信信息, 我们已经取得了巨大的进步。 |
| 395 | We cite sources. | 我们引用资料来源。 |
| 396 | The models have gotten much smarter. | 模特们越来越聪明了 |
| 397 | A lot of people use these systems all | 很多人都使用这些系统 |
| 398 | the time, and we were worried that if it was not 100.0 percent accurate, which is still a | 当时,我们担心 如果它不是100.0%的准确, 这仍然是 |
| 399 | challenge with these systems, it would cause a bunch of problems. | 挑战这些系统 会造成很多问题 |
| 400 | But users are smart. | 但用户很聪明. |
| 401 | People | 人员 |
| 402 | understand what these systems are good at, when to use them, when not. | 了解这些系统擅长什么,何时使用,何时使用。 |
| 403 | And as that robustness | 如此坚固 |
| 404 | increases, which it will continue to do, people will use it for more and more things. | 人们会用它做越来越多的事情。 |
| 405 | But we've made, as an industry, we've made pretty remarkable progress in that direction over the | 但是我们作为一个行业 已经取得了相当显著的进步 |
| 406 | last couple of years. | 过去的几年。 |
| 407 | I know we'll be watching that. | 我知道我们会看的 |
| 408 | Another challenge that has been, we've seen, | 另一个挑战,我们已经看到, |
| 409 | and Senator Cruz and I worked on a bill together for quite a while, and that's the Take It Down Act. | Cruz参议员和我合作了一段时间的法案 这就是《拿下法案》 |
| 410 | And that is that we are increasingly seeing interactivity where kids looking for a boyfriend | 这就是我们越来越看到互动 在那里孩子们寻找男朋友 |
| 411 | or girlfriend, maybe they put out a real picture of themselves. | 或女朋友,也许他们 拿出真实的自己的照片。 |
| 412 | It ends up being distributed at | 最终于 |
| 413 | school or somehow someone tries to scam them from financial gain. | 或者有人试图骗取他们的金钱 |
| 414 | Or it's AI, as we've | 或者是人工智能,就像我们 |
| 415 | increasingly seen, where it's not even someone's photos, but someone puts a fake body on there. | 越来越多的人看到,那里甚至没有别人的照片, 但有人把一个假尸体在那里。 |
| 416 | And we've had about over 20 suicides in one year of young people because they felt like their life | 在一年的年轻人中 我们经历了20多起自杀事件 因为他们觉得自己有生命 |
| 417 | was ruined because they were going to be exposed in this way. | 被毁掉了,因为他们要这样暴露 |
| 418 | So this bill we passed through the | 我们通过这个法案 |
| 419 | Senate and the House, the First Lady supported it, and it's headed to the President's desk. | 元老院和众议院,第一夫人支持,正向总统办公桌前进. |
| 420 | Could you talk about how we can build models that can better detect harmful deep fakes, Mr. Smith? | 史密斯先生 你能谈谈我们如何建立模型 更好地检测有害的深层假象吗? |
| 421 | Yeah, I mean, we're doing that, OpenAI is doing that, a number of us are, and I think the goal is | 是的,我的意思是,我们正在这样做, OpenAI正在这样做, 我们中的一些人在这样做, 我想目标是 |
| 422 | to first identify content that is generated by AI, and then often it is to identify what kind of | 首先确定AI生成的内容,然后往往确定哪些内容是AI生成的。 |
| 423 | content is harmful. | 内容是有害的。 |
| 424 | And I think we've made a lot of strides in our ability to do both of those | 我认为我们已经取得了很大进展 我们有能力做这两个 |
| 425 | things. | 东西。 |
| 426 | There's a lot of work that's going on across the private sector in partnership with | 整个私营部门与 |
| 427 | groups like NICMEC to then collaboratively identify that kind of content so it can be | NICMEC等团体将合作确定这类内容,这样就可以 |
| 428 | taken down. | 带下来。 |
| 429 | We've been doing this in some ways for 25 years since the internet and we're going to | 我们从互联网开始25年来 一直在做这个 |
| 430 | need to do more of it. | 还需要做更多的事情。 |
| 431 | And on the issue, last question, Mr. | 还有最后一个问题 先生 |
| 432 | Chair, since the last one was | 主席,因为上一个是 |
| 433 | about your bill, I figure it's okay. | 关于你的帐单,我想没关系。 |
| 434 | The newspapers, and you testified before the Senate Judiciary | 报纸,你向参议院法官作证 |
| 435 | Committee, Mr. Smith, about the bill. | 委员会,史密斯先生,关于法案。 |
| 436 | Senator Kennedy and I still think that there's an issue | 肯尼迪参议员和我仍然认为 有一个问题 |
| 437 | here about negotiating content rates. | 在这里,关于谈判内容率。 |
| 438 | We've seen some action recently in Canada and other places. | 我们最近在加拿大和其他地方看到一些行动。 |
| 439 | Can you talk about those evolving dynamics with the AI developers and what's happening here to | 你能和人工智能开发者 谈谈这些不断发展的动态吗? |
| 440 | make sure that content providers and journalists get paid for their work? | 确保内容提供者和记者的工作得到报酬? |
| 441 | Yeah, it's a complicated topic, but I'll just say a couple of things. | 是啊,这是一个复杂的话题, 但我只是说几件事。 |
| 442 | First, I think we should all | 首先,我想我们都应该 |
| 443 | want to see newspapers in some form flourish across the country, including, say, rural counties that | 希望报纸以某种形式在全国兴旺, 包括,比如,乡村县, |
| 444 | increasingly have become news deserts. | 越来越成为新闻荒漠。 |
| 445 | Newspapers have disappeared. | 报纸不见了 |
| 446 | Second, and it's been the issue | 第二,这是问题所在 |
| 447 | that we discussed in the Judiciary Committee, there should be an opportunity for newspapers | 我们在司法委员会上讨论过 报纸应该有机会 |
| 448 | to get together and negotiate collectively. | 聚集在一起进行集体谈判。 |
| 449 | We've supported that. | 我们已经支持了 |
| 450 | That will enable them to | 这将使他们能够 |
| 451 | basically do better. | 基本上做得更好。 |
| 452 | Third, every time there's new technology, there is a new generation of a | 第三,每当有新技术, 就有新一代的 |
| 453 | copyright debate. | 版权辩论. |
| 454 | That is taking place now. | 现在正在这样做。 |
| 455 | Some of it will probably be decided by Congress, some | 有些可能由国会决定,有些 |
| 456 | by the courts. | 由法院执行。 |
| 457 | A lot of it is also being addressed through collaborative action and we should hope | 其中许多问题也正在通过协作行动加以解决,我们希望 |
| 458 | for all of these things to, I'll just say, strike a balance. | 所有这些事情,我只是说,保持平衡。 |
| 459 | We want people to make a living creating | 我们希望人们能够创造生活 |
| 460 | content and we want AI to advance by having access to data. | 内容,我们希望AI通过访问数据来推进. |
| 461 | Okay, thanks. | 好的,谢谢。 |
| 462 | I'll ask other questions on | 我会问其他问题 |
| 463 | the record. | 记录。 |
| 464 | Thank you, Mr. | 谢谢,先生。 |
| 465 | Chair. | 师曰. |
| 466 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 467 | You know, Senator Klobuchar asked whether AI will lead | 你知道,参议员克洛布查尔 问AI是否领导 |
| 468 | us to heaven or hell. | 我们到天堂或地狱。 |
| 469 | It reminded me of a famous observation by Yale Law Professor Grant Gilmore | 这让我想起耶鲁大学法学教授 Grant Gilmore的著名观察 |
| 470 | that in heaven there is no law and the lion will lie down with the lamb. | 天上没有法律 狮子会和羊羔躺在一起 |
| 471 | In hell there is nothing | 在地狱里什么都没有 |
| 472 | but law and due process is meticulously observed. | 但法律和正当程序得到了严格遵守。 |
| 473 | Let me ask you this, and this is to each of the | 让我问你,这是给每一个 |
| 474 | four witnesses. | 四个证人。 |
| 475 | In the race for AI, who's winning, America or China? | 在AI的比赛中,谁赢,美国还是中国?. |
| 476 | If the answer is America, | 如果答案是美国, |
| 477 | how close is China to us? | 中国和我们有多近? |
| 478 | And what do we do to make sure the answer remains America will win? | 我们该怎么办才能确保答案继续是美国会赢? |
| 479 | Mr. Altman, we'll start with you. | 阿尔特曼先生 我们从你开始 |
| 480 | It is our belief that the American models, | 我们相信,美国模式, |
| 481 | including some models from our company, OpenAI and Google and others, are the best models in | 包括我们公司的一些模型,OpenAI和Google等,是其中最好的模型. |
| 482 | the world. | 这个世界。 |
| 483 | It's very hard to say how far ahead we are, but I would say not a huge amount of time. | 很难说我们前进有多远,但我想说时间不多。 |
| 484 | And I think to continue that leadership position and the influence that comes with that and all | 我想继续这个领导职位 以及随之而来的影响 |
| 485 | of the incredible benefits of the world using American technology products and services, | 利用美国技术产品和服务给世界带来的巨大好处, |
| 486 | the things that my colleagues have spoken about here, the need to win an infrastructure | 我的同事在这里谈到的事情, 需要赢得一个基础设施 |
| 487 | sensible regulation that does not slow us down, the sort of spirit of innovation and | 明智的监管,不会拖累我们 那种创新精神和 |
| 488 | entrepreneurship that I think is a uniquely American thing in the world. | 我认为创业是世界上最独特的美国事物。 |
| 489 | None of this is rocket | 这些都不是火箭 |
| 490 | science. | 科学。 |
| 491 | We just need to keep doing the things that have worked for so long and not make a silly | 我们只是需要继续做 已经工作了这么久 而不是让一个傻瓜 |
| 492 | mistake. | 错误 |
| 493 | Dr. Hsu? | 许医生? |
| 494 | I'll answer in the realm of chips. | 我会在芯片领域回答。 |
| 495 | I would say America is ahead in chips today. | 我要说美国今天领先筹码 |
| 496 | We | 我们 |
| 497 | have the best AI accelerators in the world. | 拥有世界上最好的人工智能加速器。 |
| 498 | I think China, although they have restrictions given | 我认为中国,虽然他们有限制 |
| 499 | their ability to use advanced technologies, the one thing that's very important for us all to | 他们利用先进技术的能力 对我们来说最重要的一件事 |
| 500 | remember is there are multiple ways to do things. | 记住有多种方法来做事情 |
| 501 | Having the best chips is great, but even if you | 拥有最好的芯片是伟大的,但即使你 |
| 502 | don't have the best chips, you can get a lot done. | 没有最好的芯片,你可以做很多。 |
| 503 | So I think this conversation about how far behind | 所以,我想这次谈话 关于多远落后 |
| 504 | China is, they are certainly catching up because there are many ways to do things. | 中国是,它们肯定赶上了,因为有许多方法可以做事情。 |
| 505 | I think relative | 我觉得相对的 |
| 506 | what we can do, I will continue to say really ensure that our spirit of innovation is allowed | 我们能做的,我会继续说 真正确保 我们的创新精神被允许 |
| 507 | to work, and that is having very supportive government policies to do that, having very | 并有非常支持政府的政策来做到这一点, |
| 508 | consistent policies, and allowing us to do what we do best, which is innovate at every layer of the | 并允许我们做我们做得最好的事,这是在每一层 |
| 509 | stack. | 堆栈。 |
| 510 | Mr. Intreder? | 内特先生? |
| 511 | So I'll speak to it from the physical infrastructure and software stack to | 所以我从物理基础设施和软件堆到 |
| 512 | from the perspective of the ability as I started to... | 从能力的角度,当我开始... |
| 513 | Better? | 好多了吗? |
| 514 | Sorry about that. | 对不起 |
| 515 | So the ability to | 所以,我们有能力 |
| 516 | build very large solutions to the computing infrastructure component of this is an area that | 为计算基础设施部分建立非常大的解决办法是一个领域。 |
| 517 | we're going to struggle with from permitting and building large projects to be able to deliver the | 我们将努力争取 允许和建设大型项目 以便能够交付 |
| 518 | power to allow those building artificial intelligence to continue to move as fast as | 让那些建立人工智能的人 继续快速前进 |
| 519 | they can in the race that we're in. | 他们可以参加我们的比赛 |
| 520 | Mr. Smith? | 史密斯先生吗? |
| 521 | I think the United States has a lead today in | 我认为美国今天领先 |
| 522 | what is a close race and a race that will likely remain close. | 什么是接近的种族 和可能保持接近的种族。 |
| 523 | The number one factor that will | 首要因素 |
| 524 | define whether the United States or China wins this race is whose technology is most broadly adopted | 确定美国或中国赢得这场比赛是其技术被广泛采用 |
| 525 | in the rest of the world. | 在世间. |
| 526 | This is a global market and it will be defined as technology markets | 这是一个全球市场,它将被定义为技术市场 |
| 527 | typically are by network effects. | 通常是通过网络效应。 |
| 528 | 18% of the people of the world live in China, 4% live in | 18%的世界人口生活在中国,4%生活在 |
| 529 | the United States, 78% live somewhere else. | 78%的人住在别的地方 |
| 530 | The lesson from Huawei and 5G is whoever gets there | 华威和5G的教训就是谁到那里 |
| 531 | first will be difficult to supplant. | 首先很难取代 |
| 532 | We need to export with the right kinds of controls, | 我们需要用正确的控制出口, |
| 533 | we need to win the trust of the rest of the world, we need to have the financial architecture | 我们需要赢得世界其他国家的信任 我们需要金融结构 |
| 534 | that gets not only to the countries that are industrialized but the nations say across Africa | 不仅给工业化国家,而且给非洲各国 |
| 535 | where typically China and Huawei have done so well. | 典型的中国和华威都表现得很好 |
| 536 | So some of my colleagues have made reference | 所以我的一些同事提到了 |
| 537 | to standards as something that is desirable and I will say standards is often code word for | 我将说,标准常常是代号 |
| 538 | regulations and indeed the EU's stifling standards concerning the internet is what killed tech in | 欧盟关于互联网的扼杀标准是技术在互联网上的死亡。 |
| 539 | Europe. | 欧洲。 |
| 540 | We are seeing now state legislatures mimicking the EU such as California's SB 1047 | 我们现在看到的州立法机构 模仿欧盟 比如加州的SB1047 |
| 541 | which thankfully was overwhelmingly defeated but would have created essentially a California DMV | 幸好他们被击败了 但本来会造出一辆加州DMV |
| 542 | for AI model registration. | 为AI模式注册. |
| 543 | How harmful would it be to winning the race for AI | 为AI赢得比赛会有多有害? |
| 544 | if America goes down the road of the EU and creates a heavy-handed prior approval government | 如果美国走在欧盟的道路上 并建立一个重压的事先批准政府 |
| 545 | regulatory process for AI? | AI的监管程序? |
| 546 | I think that would be disastrous. | 我认为这将是灾难性的。 |
| 547 | To give a more specific answer | 给出更具体的答复 |
| 548 | to your previous question which I think touches on why it would be so bad, there are three key inputs | 关于你之前的问题,我认为这个问题会这么糟糕,有三个关键投入 |
| 549 | these AI systems. | 这些人工智能系统。 |
| 550 | There's compute, all the infrastructure we're talking about, there's | 有计算,所有的基础设施 我们谈论的,有 |
| 551 | algorithms that we all do research on and there's data. | 算法,我们都在研究 并且有数据。 |
| 552 | If you don't have any one of those you cannot | 如果你没有这些,你无法 |
| 553 | succeed in making the best models and as Brad said the way for America to influence the world | 正如布拉德所说 美国影响世界的方式 |
| 554 | here is to have the technology that people most want to use and most adopt. | 在这里,人们最想使用的技术 和大多数的收养。 |
| 555 | 世界使用iPhone系统 | |
| 556 | and Google and Microsoft products and that's wonderful like that's how we have our influence. | 谷歌和微软产品, 如此美妙的,就是我们如何拥有我们的影响力。 |
| 557 | We don't want that to stop happening. | 我们不希望这种情况停止发生。 |
| 558 | So systems that stop us on any of these areas, | 所以在任何这些区域都阻止我们的系统 |
| 559 | if we have rules about what data we can train on that are not competitive with the rest of the | 如果我们有规则 我们可以在哪些数据 训练 与其余没有竞争力 |
| 560 | world then things can fall apart. | 然后世界就会崩溃 |
| 561 | If we are not able to build the infrastructure and particularly | 如果我们无法建设基础设施,特别是 |
| 562 | if we're not able to manufacture the chips in this country the rules can fall apart. | 如果我们不能在这个国家制造芯片 规则就会崩溃 |
| 563 | If we can't build | 如果我们不能建造 |
| 564 | the products that people want that naturally win in the market and I think people do want to use | 人们想要的产品 自然赢得市场 我认为人们确实想要使用 |
| 565 | American products we can make them the best but if we're prevented from doing that people will use | 美国的产品,我们可以让他们最好的 但如果我们被阻止做 人们会使用 |
| 566 | a better product made from somebody else that doesn't have the sort of you know that is not | 一个更好的产品 由别人做 没有那种你知道,不是 |
| 567 | stymied in the same way. | 以如是法而为障. |
| 568 | So it is I am nervous about standards being set too early. | 因此,我对制定标准太早感到紧张。 |
| 569 | I'm totally | 我绝对是 |
| 570 | fine you know at the position some of my colleagues took that standards once the industry figures out | 好吧,你知道在职位上,我的一些同事 采取的标准,一旦行业发现 |
| 571 | what they should be it's fine for them to be adopted by a government body and sort of made | 他们应该做什么 被政府机构收养和制造 |
| 572 | more official but I believe the industry is moving quickly towards figuring out the right protocols | 更正式的,但我相信 业界正在迅速 开始找出正确的协议 |
| 573 | and standards here and we need the space to innovate and to move quickly. | 我们需要有创新和快速行动的余地。 |
| 574 | So if each of you could briefly answer that question because my time's expired so I want | 所以,如果你们每个人都能简短地回答这个问题 因为我的时间已经过去,所以我想 |
| 575 | to be respectful of that. | 以尊重这一点。 |
| 576 | I agree with the comments that's in. | 我同意其中的评论。 |
| 577 | I agree and I would just | 我同意,我会 |
| 578 | say and I think the point you're making is we have to be very careful not to have these | 说,我认为你的意思是 我们必须非常小心不要有这些 |
| 579 | pre-approval requirements including at state levels because that would really slow innovation | 包括州一级在内的批准前要求,因为这将真正减缓创新 |
| 580 | in the country. | 在这个国家。 |
| 581 | I think that a patchwork of regulatory overlays will | 我认为,一个零星的监管覆盖将 |
| 582 | cause friction in the ability to build and extend what we're doing. | 造成摩擦 能力 建设和扩展 我们正在做。 |
| 583 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 584 | Senator Curtis. | 柯蒂斯参议员 |
| 585 | Schott. | 许特. |
| 586 | Senator Schott. | 肖特参议员. |
| 587 | Sorry apologies. | 对不起 |
| 588 | No problem Chairman. | 没问题,主席。 |
| 589 | Thank you for being here. | 谢谢你能来 |
| 590 | I just want to follow up on the Chairman's question and a sort of | 我只是想跟进主席的问题 和某种 |
| 591 | maybe an emerging consensus on the committee. | 也许委员会正在形成共识 |
| 592 | Okay I don't think there's anybody even on this | 好吧,我不认为有人 甚至在这个 |
| 593 | side of the dais that's proposing a sort of European style pre-approval. | 菊花的一侧 提出一种欧洲风格 预先批准。 |
| 594 | I think there are | 我觉得有 |
| 595 | some people who would like to do nothing at all in the regulatory space but I think most people | 有些人想在监管空间什么都不做 但我认为大多数人 |
| 596 | understand that some guardrails, those are the words that you use Mr. Altman, rules and guardrails | 你知道一些护栏,这些是你用阿尔特曼先生的话,规则和护栏 |
| 597 | are necessary. | 这是必要的。 |
| 598 | Are you saying that self-regulation is sufficient at the current moment? | 你是说,自我约束在目前已经足够了吗? |
| 599 | No I think some policy is good. | 不,我觉得有些政策是好的。 |
| 600 | I think it is easy for it to go too far and as I've learned more | 我认为它很容易走得太远 因为我学到更多 |
| 601 | about how the world works I'm more afraid that it could go too far and have really bad consequences | 我更担心它可能走得太远 后果会很糟 |
| 602 | but people want to use products that are generally safe. | 但人们想要使用 通常安全的产品。 |
| 603 | You know when you get on an airplane you | 你知道当你上飞机的时候 |
| 604 | don't think about doing the safety testing yourself. | 别考虑自己做安全测试 |
| 605 | You're like this is well maybe this | 你就像这样,也许这样 |
| 606 | is a bad time to use the airplane example but you kind of like want to just trust that you can get | 以飞机为例的时机不好 但你喜欢相信自己能得到的 |
| 607 | on it. | 交给我 |
| 608 | It's an excellent time to use the airplane example but I think your point is exactly right | 以飞机为例是极好的机会 但我认为你的观点是对的 |
| 609 | is that look there is a race but we need to understand what we're racing for and it also | 看,有比赛,但我们需要了解 我们赛车的目的,它也 |
| 610 | has to do with American values. | 与美国价值观有关 |
| 611 | It's not just a sort of commercial race so we can edge out | 这不仅仅是一种商业比赛 这样我们才能摆脱困境 |
| 612 | our near peer competitor both in the public sector and the private sector. | 我们几乎是公共部门和私营部门的同行竞争者。 |
| 613 | We're trying to | 我们正在努力 |
| 614 | erase so that American values prevail internationally. | 抹去,让美国价值观在国际上盛行。 |
| 615 | Mr. Smith I want to move | 史密斯先生,我想搬家了 |
| 616 | on to another topic. | 关于另一个主题。 |
| 617 | It seems to me that on the consumer side that one of the most basic | 在我看来,消费者方面 最基本的 |
| 618 | rights of a user on the internet is to understand what they're looking at or listening to and | 互联网上用户的权利是了解他们在看什么或听什么 |
| 619 | whether or not it was created solely by a person, a person using an AI or automatically generated | 是否完全由个人、使用人工智能的人或自动生成 |
| 620 | using AI. | 使用人工智能。 |
| 621 | Do you think a labeling regime not a prohibition on the use of AI but just the | 你认为标签制度不是禁止使用人工智能,而只是 |
| 622 | disclosure especially as it relates to images, music, creativity, do you think a label would | 特别是当它与图像,音乐,创造力有关时 你认为标签会 |
| 623 | be helpful for consumers? | 帮助消费者? |
| 624 | Generally yes and I think that's what we in the industry have been | 一般来说,是的,我认为 这就是我们这个行业一直 |
| 625 | working to create. | 努力创造。 |
| 626 | I think you're right to make the distinction and focus especially on say images, | 我认为你应该做出区分 并特别专注于说图像 |
| 627 | video, audio files. | 视频,音频文件。 |
| 628 | There's a standard called C2PA that we in a number of companies now have | 有个叫C2PA的标准,我们现在有不少公司 |
| 629 | been advancing. | 正在推进。 |
| 630 | It has content credentials. | 它有内容证书。 |
| 631 | It enables people to know where something was | 它可以让人们知道 东西在哪里 |
| 632 | created, who created it and I think you're right to know whether it was created by a person, | 是谁创造的 我认为你应该知道它是不是一个人创造的 |
| 633 | by AI or a person with the help of say AI. | 由大赦国际或某个人协助进行。 |
| 634 | I just want to use sort of a common language, | 我只想用一种普通的语言, |
| 635 | not the language that all of you use or that we've all learned to use. | 不是你们大家使用的语言,也不是我们都学会使用的语言。 |
| 636 | When you talk about | 当你谈论 |
| 637 | data as one of the three elements that makes a model work, data really is intellectual property. | 数据作为使模型发挥作用的三个要素之一,数据实际上是知识产权。 |
| 638 | It is human innovation, human creativity and I do think we may have a disagreement and I agree with | 这是人类的创新,人类的创造力 我认为我们可能有分歧 我同意 |
| 639 | Senator Klobuchar about the need to understand that these models have been trained on data but | Klobuchar参议员认为需要了解这些模型已经接受了数据培训,但 |
| 640 | what we're really talking about is human achievement all the way up to now and I have a deep worry. | 我们真正在谈论的是人类的成就 直到现在,我非常担心。 |
| 641 | I'm actually an optimist in the energy space, in the public service space, certainly in health | 我其实是一个乐观主义者 在能源空间, 在公共服务空间, 当然在健康 |
| 642 | innovation. | 创新。 |
| 643 | There are a lot of really exciting opportunities here but we're going to pay people | 这里有很多非常令人兴奋的机会 但我们会付钱给别人 |
| 644 | for their knowledge and I am concerned that these models are going to be so successful in | 我担心这些模式将会如此成功 |
| 645 | spitting out what appears to be knowledge that we're going to on the back end not pay people | 吐出来什么是似乎知道 我们要在后端 不付人钱 |
| 646 | for all of the the inputs and we will have a sort of stalling out of these models and you talked | 对于所有的投入, 我们将有某种 拖延这些模型 你说话 |
| 647 | about attention but I'm trying to figure out what the tension really is other than you'd like to pay | 关于注意,但我正在努力 找出什么是紧张 真正的是你想要支付 |
| 648 | as little as possible for these inputs. | 尽可能少地提供这些投入。 |
| 649 | Go ahead Mr. Smith. | 继续,史密斯先生。 |
| 650 | Well you had me until the last sentence. | 好吧,你让我 直到最后一句。 |
| 651 | I know. | 我知道,我记得 |
| 652 | Look we create intellectual property, we respect intellectual property so we're emphatically | 看,我们创造知识产权,我们尊重知识产权,所以我们很强烈 |
| 653 | the view that intellectual property and the creation of it should be rewarded. | 认为应奖励知识产权及其创造。 |
| 654 | Ultimately | 最终 |
| 655 | intellectual property laws are always about drawing the line. | 知识产权法总是要划清界限. |
| 656 | It's really the line that you | 这真的是你的台词 |
| 657 | refer to. | 参考。 |
| 658 | In copyright there is expression that is protected. | 在版权中,有言论受到保护。 |
| 659 | If you write a book and somebody copies | 如果你写一本书,有人抄 |
| 660 | it then you are entitled to be paid but there are ideas if someone reads your book, if someone | 你有权领到报酬 但是如果有人读你的书,如果有人 |
| 661 | remembers that you know Shakespeare wrote a story about two teenagers who fell in love sure then | 记得莎士比亚写了一则关于两个青少年的故事吗? |
| 662 | that's fair use. | 这很公平 |
| 663 | That's why this country that's what we need to focus on. | 所以这个国家才是我们需要关注的 |
| 664 | With your permission | 经你同意 |
| 665 | chairman I want to ask one final question. | 主席,我想问最后一个问题。 |
| 666 | Proceed. | 继续 |
| 667 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 668 | I'm actually quite excited | 其实我很兴奋 |
| 669 | about the prospect that in 20 years people are going to say remember when you had to wait on the | 20年后人们会说 记得当你不得不等待 |
| 670 | phone to talk to Kaiser Permanente or the VA so I just maybe Mr. Altman and Mr. Smith I want you to | 给Kaiser Normane或VA打电话 所以我也许阿尔特曼先生和史密斯先生 |
| 671 | you know a buddy of mine used to say paint a picture and paint me in it okay. | 你知道我的一位朋友常说画一幅画 把我画进去 |
| 672 | For the government | 为了政府 |
| 673 | actually delivering services I want you to describe what an AI agent or AI can do to kind of reduce | 我想让你描述一下人工智能特工 或人工智能能做什么来减少 |
| 674 | those pain points that we accept as a fact of life in interacting with the government. | 那些痛苦点 我们接受的事实 生活与政府的互动。 |
| 675 | It seems to me | 在我看来 |
| 676 | so much of what makes us irritated with the government is the lack of sorting data that | 令我们烦恼的是 缺乏分类数据 |
| 677 | exists somewhere but we can't get access to it so just very quickly you have 15 seconds each for | 存在的地方,但是我们无法进入 所以很快,你每个有15秒 |
| 678 | cheerleading. | 啦啦队 |
| 679 | I can imagine a future where the U.S. government offers a AI powered service that | 我可以想象一个未来 美国政府提供AI电力服务 |
| 680 | makes it really easy to use all government services to get great health care to get great | 很容易利用所有的政府服务 获得伟大的医疗 获得伟大的 |
| 681 | education you have this thing in your pocket and if you have any medical problem you can answer | 你口袋里有这个东西 如果你有任何医疗问题 你可以回答 |
| 682 | if you need to you know like appeal something on some process you have in the government or file | 如果你需要知道 喜欢上诉的东西 在某个过程 你拥有 在政府或档案 |
| 683 | your taxes or whatever you just do it instantly you have an agent in your pocket fully integrated | 你的税或者任何你刚做的 你口袋里有一个经纪人 完全整合 |
| 684 | with the United States government and life is easy. | 和美国政府一起生活很轻松 |
| 685 | Anything to add? | 还有什么要补充的吗? |
| 686 | Remember when you had to | 记住,当你不得不 |
| 687 | stand in line to renew your driver's license? | 排队换驾照? |
| 688 | Remember when you didn't know how to report a | 记得当你不知道如何报告 |
| 689 | pothole that needed to be repaired on your street? | 在你街上需要修复的坑洞? |
| 690 | Remember when you had a fender bender in a car | 记得你车里有个挡板 |
| 691 | and you had to fill out all these forms and talk to all these people to get insurance coverage? | 你不得不填写所有这些表格 并与所有这些人交谈 以获得保险? |
| 692 | Now you can do it all with one AI system. | 现在你可以用一个人工智能系统来完成这一切。 |
| 693 | You can use your phone and by the way you can do this today | 你可以用你的电话 和方式你可以做到这一点今天 |
| 694 | in Abu Dhabi. | 在阿布扎比。 |
| 695 | We need to bring it to America. | 我们需要把它带到美国。 |
| 696 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 697 | Senator Budd. | 参议员巴德。 |
| 698 | Thank you Chairman. | 谢谢主席。 |
| 699 | Again | 再来 |
| 700 | thank you all for being here. | 感谢大家来到这里。 |
| 701 | I've enjoyed various conversations with each of you. | 我很喜欢和你们每个人交谈 |
| 702 | The ability for | 能力 |
| 703 | the U.S. to deploy new energy generation capacity and upgrade its grid in many ways the key to the | 美国将部署新的能源发电能力,并以多种方式更新其电网,这是实现能源发电的关键。 |
| 704 | race against China. | 种族对抗中国。 |
| 705 | Energy is how we can win and it's also how we can lose. | 能源就是我们如何赢 也是我们如何输 |
| 706 | Permitting in this | 允许加入 |
| 707 | country it takes too long. | 国家要花太长时间 |
| 708 | China's command and control system means that they will not fail to | 中国的指挥控制系统意味着他们不会失败 |
| 709 | deploy the energy needed to achieve the scale necessary to develop the most advanced models | 部署所需能源,以实现开发最先进模型所需的规模 |
| 710 | which will drive all to the benefit of AI. | 这会让所有人受益于大赦国际。 |
| 711 | So I'm glad to be working with Senator Lummis on the Free | 所以我很高兴能和卢米斯参议员合作 |
| 712 | Act which would set up a permit by rule structure which would let large projects meet comprehensive | 将按规则结构制定许可证,使大型项目全面 |
| 713 | standards at the front end instead of dragged out on a case-by-case process. | 标准在前端,而不是逐个拖出。 |
| 714 | So we all want | 所以我们都想要 |
| 715 | to protect the environment and we all want to maintain U.S. economic and technological leadership. | 我们想保持美国的经济和技术领导地位。 |
| 716 | 所以Entretour先生 CoreWeave在承包权方面的经验 你关心的是 | |
| 717 | that the current permitting system can make it hard for the U.S. to achieve capital investment | 目前的许可制度可能使美国难以实现资本投资 |
| 718 | and the scale needed to win this AI race? | 和赢得人工智能比赛所需的规模? |
| 719 | So as you said access to power, access to scale power | 所以,正如你说的 获得权力, 获得规模动力 |
| 720 | is certainly one of the keys to our ability to win this race. | 无疑是我们赢得这场比赛的能力的关键之一。 |
| 721 | There are others but it is one that | 还有其他的,但是它是一个 |
| 722 | I spend a lot of time thinking about. | 我花了很多时间思考。 |
| 723 | I separated the comment into access to power and access to | 我将评论从权力的获取和进入 |
| 724 | scale power because I do think that we are moving towards a period of this race where the size, | 因为我认为我们正走向这个种族的时期 其大小 |
| 725 | the magnitude of the infrastructure that is being required to move our artificial intelligence, | 移动人工智能所需要的基础设施规模, |
| 726 | the labs that are building it, the companies that are building it forward at the velocity that is | 正在建造它的实验室 正在以速度建造它的公司 |
| 727 | necessary is going to be a specific challenge that really requires a lot of thought. | 必要性将是一个需要大量思考的具体挑战。 |
| 728 | We have a huge | 我们有一个巨大的 |
| 729 | part of our organization focused on not just getting access to power but getting access to | 本组织的一部分重点不仅在于获得权力,而且在于获得 |
| 730 | the size and scale of power that is going to be able to build the infrastructure at the scale of | 能够建设规模达到 |
| 731 | or close to it in order to allow this to move forward. | 或接近它,以允许这样做向前迈进。 |
| 732 | It is tough and it will get harder | 它很艰难,会越来越难 |
| 733 | as we move through time because the existing infrastructure that does have opportunities, | 随着时间的流逝,因为 现有的基础设施确实有机遇, |
| 734 | it has some level of elasticity is going to be consumed and once that is consumed you are going | 它具有一定的弹性 会被消耗 一旦被消耗 你会去 |
| 735 | to get down to kind of a first principle how do we get power online now and that is really going | 我们如何在网上获得电源 这才是真正的发展 |
| 736 | be challenging within the regulatory environment as it currently is configured. | 在管理环境中,由于目前的配置而具有挑战性。 |
| 737 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 738 | Mr. | 劳伦斯先生 |
| 739 | Smith, a similar question. | 史密斯,一个类似的问题。 |
| 740 | How is Microsoft trying to secure power for its data centers? | 微软如何试图为其数据中心确保电力? |
| 741 | We read | 我们读 |
| 742 | about that in the news recently but what does federal policy need to focus on to make sure that | 但联邦政策需要关注什么才能确保 |
| 743 | we don't lose this race because we can't get enough energy? | 我们不会因为没有足够的能量而输掉这场比赛? |
| 744 | We invest to bring more electricity | 我们投资带来更多的电力 |
| 745 | generation onto the grid and then to bring it through the grid to our data centers. | 然后把它带入我们的数据中心 |
| 746 | We probably | 我们可能 |
| 747 | have more permitting applications in more countries than quite possibly any company on | 在更多的国家里,申请许可的比任何公司都多。 |
| 748 | the planet. | 这个星球 |
| 749 | Last time I looked at it was 872 applications in more than 40 countries. | 上次我看它是在40多个国家的872份申请。 |
| 750 | The number one challenge in the United States when it comes to permitting interestingly enough | 美国的第一挑战,是让大家感兴趣 |
| 751 | is not local, it is not state, it is the federal wetlands permit that is administered by the Army | 不是地方,不是州,是联邦湿地许可 由军队管理 |
| 752 | Corps of Engineers. | 工兵团. |
| 753 | We can typically get our local and state permits done in about six to nine | 我们一般可以在六到九年内 完成本地和州的许可 |
| 754 | months. | 几个月。 |
| 755 | The national wetlands permit is taking off in 18 to 24 months. | 国家湿地许可证将在18至24个月后起飞。 |
| 756 | Both the outgoing Biden | 两个即将离任的拜登 |
| 757 | administration and the incoming Trump administration have focused on this but if we could just solve | 政府和即将上任的川普政府都关注此事,但如果我们能解决 |
| 758 | that we could accelerate a lot here in this country. | 我们可以在这个国家加快速度 |
| 759 | Very helpful, thank you. | 非常有帮助,谢谢。 |
| 760 | Mr. Altman, | 阿尔特曼先生, |
| 761 | much has been made about the Chinese open source models like DeepSeek. | 关于DeepSeek等中国开放源代码模型,已经做了很多工作. |
| 762 | We spoke about that a month | 我们谈了一个月 |
| 763 | or two ago. | 或两个前。 |
| 764 | A concern that I have is that accessible Chinese models promoted by the Chinese | 我担心的是中国人提倡的 中国模式 |
| 765 | Communist Party might be an attractive option for AI application developers to build on top of, | 共产党对于AI应用程序开发者来说 可能是一个很有吸引力的选择 建立在... |
| 766 | particularly in developing world economies. | 特别是在发展中国家。 |
| 767 | So how important is US leadership in either | 因此,美国领导人在其中之一的重要性 |
| 768 | open source or closed AI models? | 开源还是关闭的AI模型? |
| 769 | I think it's quite important to lead in both. | 我认为领导两者很重要 |
| 770 | We realize that | 我们意识到 |
| 771 | we open AI can do more to help here so we're going to release an open source model that we | 我们打开AI可以做更多的帮助 在这里,所以我们要发布一个开源模型,我们 |
| 772 | will be the leading model this summer because we want people to build on the US stack. | 将在今年夏天成为领先的模型 因为我们希望人们能在美国堆积起来 |
| 773 | In terms | 方面 |
| 774 | of closed source models a lot of the world uses our technology and the technology of our colleagues | 世界上很多地方都使用我们的技术和我们同事的技术 |
| 775 | we think we're in good shape there. | 我们觉得我们身体很好 |
| 776 | So how could federal policy further help encourage AI ecosystem | 因此,联邦政策如何进一步帮助鼓励AI生态系统 |
| 777 | to be developed right here in the US? | 在美国发展? |
| 778 | Well you touched on a great point with energy. | 嗯,你碰到一个伟大的点 用能量。 |
| 779 | I think | 我觉得 |
| 780 | it's hard to overstate how important energy is to the future here. | 很难夸大能源对于未来的重要性 |
| 781 | Eventually chips, network gear, | 最终芯片,网络齿轮, |
| 782 | that will be made by robots and we'll make that very efficient and we'll make that cheaper and | 由机器人制造,我们会使 效率非常高,我们会使 便宜, |
| 783 | cheaper but an electron is an electron. | 更便宜但电子是电子 |
| 784 | Eventually the cost of intelligence, the cost of AI will | 最终是情报成本,AI成本 |
| 785 | converge to the cost of energy and it'll be how much you can have the abundance of it will be | 与能源成本相融合 就能拥有丰富的能源 |
| 786 | limited by the abundance of energy. | 受能量充沛的限制. |
| 787 | So in terms of long-term strategic investments for the US to make | 因此,从美国的长期战略投资来看, |
| 788 | I can't think of anything more important than energy. | 我无法想到比能量更重要的事 |
| 789 | Chips and all the other infrastructure | 芯片和所有其他基础设施 |
| 790 | also but energy is where this I think this ends up. | 能量也是最后的结局 |
| 791 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
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