实战练英文｜美国不是多元文化吗？为何要求人人说英语？为什么要
实战练英文｜美国不是多元文化吗？为何要求人人说英语？为什么要赶走已纳税、没犯罪的非法移民？｜继承Charlie Kirk｜校园辩论｜长文、批注、大字版、中英对照
发布于 2026-10-04 · 时长 17:08字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:00 | I'm incredibly pro-immigration, obviously my family... | 我非常支持移民,显然我的家人... |
| 0:03 | Pro-legal immigration? | 亲合法移民? |
| 0:05 | Oh, I mean, immigration, legal immigration, illegal immigration, just people coming over | 哦,我的意思是,移民,合法移民, 非法移民,只是人们过来 |
| 0:09 | here. | 在这里。 |
| 0:09 | I think one of my main problems with this whole argument with illegal immigration is | 我认为我的主要问题之一 与整个争论 非法移民是 |
| 0:12 | that we spend billions of dollars on ICE, yet these immigration services are super underfunded. | 我们花费了数十亿美元 在ICE, 然而这些移民服务 是超级资金不足。 |
| 0:18 | It takes immigrants 10 plus years to get a legal immigration here, and then we kick them | 移民需要10年以上的时间才能得到合法移民 然后我们踢他们 |
| 0:23 | out before they can. | 在他们能出来之前。 |
| 0:24 | I feel like instead of spending all this money on ICE, we're spending it on getting people | 我觉得不是把这些钱都花在ICE上 而是花在找人上 |
| 0:28 | here legally, making ICE's job a lot easier because these people come here to work. | 合法地在这里,使ICE的工作变得容易得多, 因为他们来这里工作。 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | I'm incredibly pro-immigration, obviously my family... | 我非常支持移民,显然我的家人... |
| 2 | Pro-legal immigration? | 亲合法移民? |
| 3 | Oh, I mean, immigration, legal immigration, illegal immigration, just people coming over | 哦,我的意思是,移民,合法移民, 非法移民,只是人们过来 |
| 4 | here. | 在这里。 |
| 5 | I think one of my main problems with this whole argument with illegal immigration is | 我认为我的主要问题之一 与整个争论 非法移民是 |
| 6 | that we spend billions of dollars on ICE, yet these immigration services are super underfunded. | 我们花费了数十亿美元 在ICE, 然而这些移民服务 是超级资金不足。 |
| 7 | It takes immigrants 10 plus years to get a legal immigration here, and then we kick them | 移民需要10年以上的时间才能得到合法移民 然后我们踢他们 |
| 8 | out before they can. | 在他们能出来之前。 |
| 9 | I feel like instead of spending all this money on ICE, we're spending it on getting people | 我觉得不是把这些钱都花在ICE上 而是花在找人上 |
| 10 | here legally, making ICE's job a lot easier because these people come here to work. | 合法地在这里,使ICE的工作变得容易得多, 因为他们来这里工作。 |
| 11 | Well, let me ask you this question, why do you want more people to come here? | 好吧,让我问你这个问题, 你为什么想要更多的人来这里? |
| 12 | Because we're the United States of America, everyone immigrated here, we're a land of | 因为我们是美利坚合众国,每个人都移民到这里, 我们是一个土地 |
| 13 | immigrants. | 移民问题。 |
| 14 | No, we are a land of settlers, and then we had immigrants when something was already | 不,我们是一个定居者的土地, 然后我们有移民,当 东西已经 |
| 15 | built. | 已经建成。 |
| 16 | But how did the settlers get here? | 但定居者怎么来到这里的? |
| 17 | They immigrated here. | 他们移民到这里。 |
| 18 | No, they settled here. | 不,他们在这里定居。 |
| 19 | There was nothing here, so they settled here. | 这里什么都没有,所以他们在这里定居。 |
| 20 | Potato potato. | 土豆马铃薯. |
| 21 | No, it's not. | 不,这不是。 |
| 22 | The semantics are important, because the settlers from Europe came in here, settled the land, | 语义很重要 因为来自欧洲的定居者来到这里 定居了这片土地 |
| 23 | built something, and that is completely different than immigrating here. | 这和移民这里完全不同 |
| 24 | Okay, but what about my, I'm an Irish immigrant, I came here after I immigrated. | 好吧,但是我的,我是一个爱尔兰移民, 我移民之后来到这里。 |
| 25 | So that would be an immigrant, right? | 那会是一个移民,对不对? |
| 26 | But the original people who were in this country settled this country, and then people immigrated | 但原来在这个国家的人 定居这个国家, 然后人们移民 |
| 27 | here later. | 等会在这里 |
| 28 | So the original people were settlers. | 所以最初的人是定居者. |
| 29 | Other than the settlers, the majority of people here still immigrated here. | 除了定居者,这里的大多数人仍然移民到这里. |
| 30 | Pre or post settlement, my immigration, my family came here, they said, oh, I want to | 定居前或定居后,我的移民,我的家人来到这里, 他们说,哦,我想 |
| 31 | work here. | 在这里工作。 |
| 32 | It was that easy. | 就这么简单 |
| 33 | And they came here legally. | 他们合法地来到这里。 |
| 34 | Yeah, they came here. | 是啊,他们来到这里。 |
| 35 | But do you know how easy it was to come here legally 150 years ago? | 但你知道150年前合法来这里有多容易吗? |
| 36 | Now they got to wait 10 plus years. | 现在他们得等10年了 |
| 37 | I hear so many- | 我听到这么多... |
| 38 | Yeah, there's also some use to that. | 是啊,也有一些用处。 |
| 39 | Back in the day, they had literacy tests and English tests for the people who are coming | 那时候,他们有 识字测试 和英语测试的人来 |
| 40 | into this country. | 进入这个国家。 |
| 41 | They don't have that now. | 他们现在没有了 |
| 42 | These are the kind of things that were safeguards on America for actually the people that you | 这些东西是保护美国 真正为人民,你 |
| 43 | allowed into this country. | 允许进入这个国家。 |
| 44 | But the safeguards are not there anymore, and there should be more safeguards, and then | 但保障措施已经不存在了,应该有更多的保障措施,然后 |
| 45 | maybe it'd be an easier process. | 也许这会是一个更容易的过程。 |
| 46 | And I agree. | 我同意这一点。 |
| 47 | I don't think we should just open borders. | 我认为我们不应该只是开放边界。 |
| 48 | I think open borders, you can't vet any immigrants. | 我认为开放的边界, 你不能审查任何移民。 |
| 49 | Obviously, if you have people coming in committing crimes that you can't enforce, that's a huge | 很明显,如果你有人来犯罪 你无法执行,这是一个巨大的 |
| 50 | problem. | 问题。 |
| 51 | But also, 10 plus years. | 但是,还有10年。 |
| 52 | I think we should have these vetting processes, but it should be 10 times easier to get through | 我认为我们应该有这些审查程序, 但应该是10倍更容易通过 |
| 53 | these vetting processes. | 这些审查过程。 |
| 54 | I think, like, again, I know people that came here that spent multiple years working here. | 我想,像,再次,我知道 来这里的人 花了多年工作在这里。 |
| 55 | They work extremely hard. | 他们的工作非常努力。 |
| 56 | They work harder than even me, yet they aren't seen the same as me as a citizen. | 他们甚至比我更努力工作, 但他们不认为我是一个公民。 |
| 57 | But yet they just can't come in because of our systems, that these systems, they're | 但是,他们只是不能进来 因为我们的系统, 这些系统,他们是 |
| 58 | kind of stuck in limbo of becoming an immigrant. | 那种被困在 无法成为移民。 |
| 59 | I understand. | 我理解,我懂你说什么 |
| 60 | My question to you is, if these people are such hard workers and good people in doing | 我的问题是 如果这些人是这么努力的工人和好人 |
| 61 | this, why don't they go back to the country they came from and make that place better | 这个,他们为什么不回乡下,让那个地方变得更好 |
| 62 | with all their hard work? | 他们的辛勤工作? |
| 63 | Because it's a systematic issue. | 因为这是一个系统性的问题. |
| 64 | I can't change the system. | 我不能改变系统。 |
| 65 | What does that mean, systematic issue? | 这是什么意思,系统性的问题? |
| 66 | The same way I can't change the U.S. politics the way they can't change their own politics. | 同样的,我无法改变美国的政治,不能改变他们自己的政治. |
| 67 | I, as an individual person, I can vote. | 我,作为一个个人,我可以投票。 |
| 68 | I can do what I can. | 我能尽我所能 |
| 69 | But my decision does not have a broader, like, a broader range of, like, effects because | 但是,我的决定没有 更广泛的,喜欢, 更广泛的范围,喜欢,因为 |
| 70 | I don't have money. | 我没有钱 |
| 71 | I don't have power. | 我没有权力。 |
| 72 | I don't have that, like, political influence to make these changes. | 我没有那种政治影响力来做这些改变。 |
| 73 | They don't have that influence. | 他们没有这种影响力。 |
| 74 | They don't have that power. | 他们没有这种力量。 |
| 75 | They don't have that money. | 他们没那么多钱 |
| 76 | Right. | 对 |
| 77 | So with legal immigrants, I can see your point and I'm with you. | 所以,与合法移民, 我能理解你的观点, 我和你在一起。 |
| 78 | Legal immigrants, obviously not. | 显然不是合法移民。 |
| 79 | But the world, America is not the bastion of the world that everyone has a right to | 但世界,美国不是世界的堡垒 每个人都有权 |
| 80 | come here. | 过来 |
| 81 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 82 | Not everyone has a right, I mean, you don't have a right to come to America if you don't | 不是每个人都有权利, 我的意思是,你没有权利 来美国如果你不 |
| 83 | live here. | 住在这里。 |
| 84 | That's just the way it is. | 师便打曰. |
| 85 | If I were to go into Mexico right now and just say, oh, I'm going to live here, they'd | 如果我现在就去墨西哥 说,哦,我要住在这里,他们会 |
| 86 | kick me out and send me back. | 踢我出去送我回来 |
| 87 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 88 | And they'd be right to do so because it's not, it's not my country. | 他们这样做是正确的,因为它不是,它不是我的国家。 |
| 89 | I don't pay taxes in that country. | 我不在那个国家纳税。 |
| 90 | I'm not a citizen of that country. | 我不是那个国家的公民 |
| 91 | I don't contribute to the country. | 我不为国家做出贡献。 |
| 92 | It'd be the exact same thing. | 也一样 |
| 93 | I think America is the bastion of the world. | 我认为美国是世界的堡垒。 |
| 94 | This country, we've had multiple waves of settlers, not only settlers, but immigrants | 这个国家,我们经历了多波 定居者,不仅是定居者,还有移民 |
| 95 | just coming in. | 刚进来 |
| 96 | Some of the greatest U.S. minds are immigrants that came here from different countries, whether | 一些美国最伟大的思想是来自不同国家的移民,不管他们来自哪里。 |
| 97 | it was Einstein, who was a German settler, whether it was, like I said, all our great | 是爱因斯坦,他是一个德国定居者, 是否,就像我说的,我们所有的伟大 |
| 98 | athletes who, you know, are different ethnicities around the world. | 运动员,你知道,是 世界各地的不同种族。 |
| 99 | You look at pretty much all our pro leagues, like all of them are immigrants. | 你看看我们所有的职业联赛 就像他们都是移民一样 |
| 100 | We have so many… | 我们有这么多... |
| 101 | Well, I'm with you. | 好吧,我跟你一样。 |
| 102 | I'm with you on the legal immigrant. | 我与你 合法移民。 |
| 103 | I can see your total point there. | 我看得出来你的总点。 |
| 104 | And the legal immigrant, for the most part, is going to be fine if the people are going | 而合法移民, 大部分, 是会没事的,如果人们去 |
| 105 | through the right process. | 通过正确的程序。 |
| 106 | Now, to say that we need to make it easier to allow more people in here, I would disagree | 现在,我要说,我们需要让这里有更多的人 更容易,我不同意 |
| 107 | with you. | 和你们一起 |
| 108 | I don't think it's necessarily necessary, necessarily necessary. | 我觉得没必要,也没有必要 |
| 109 | I think that America is pretty full and the people who are already in this country are | 我认为,美国是相当丰满 和已经在这个国家的人是 |
| 110 | suffering. | 受苦受难。 |
| 111 | And I want to take care of the people who are in America who are suffering before we | 我想照顾那些在美国的人 那些在我们之前受苦的人 |
| 112 | let more people in. | 让更多的人进来。 |
| 113 | From the 1940s to the 1960s, we didn't have basically any immigration to this country, | 从1940年代到1960年代 我们基本上没有移民到这个国家 |
| 114 | illegal or illegal. | 非法或非法的。 |
| 115 | And it was one of the biggest economic booms in our country's history after World War | 这是战后我国历史上最大的经济繁荣之一 |
| 116 | II. | 二. |
| 117 | And we just made this country better during that time. | 我们刚刚让这个国家变得更好。 |
| 118 | And then we opened the floodgates. | 然后我们打开了水闸 |
| 119 | I feel like attributing immigration to economic boom or decline is just kind of not the right | 我觉得把移民归结为经济繁荣或衰退是错的 |
| 120 | correlation. | 相关性。 |
| 121 | They're completely correlated. | 它们完全相关 |
| 122 | If you have two houses and then someone comes in, legally or illegally, and there's already | 如果你有两栋房子,然后有人进来, 合法或非法的, 已经有 |
| 123 | two people wanting to buy it and now you have a third person, that puts a demand on | 两个人想要买它 现在你有了第三个人 这给人们带来了需求 |
| 124 | the market. | 市场。 |
| 125 | I mean, it's just basic economics. | 我的意思是,这只是基本经济学。 |
| 126 | But if you build a third house and you have more people coming in, buying stuff, creating | 但如果你建了第三栋房子 并且有更多的人进来 买东西 创造 |
| 127 | more jobs, creating more businesses, there's more money in circulation, more money coming | 更多的工作,创造更多的企业, 更多的钱在流通, 更多的钱来 |
| 128 | in. | 进去 |
| 129 | It's not like, oh, they're only taking houses. | 又不是说他们只拿房子 |
| 130 | If I can't afford a house as a U.S. citizen, what do you think someone from El Salvador | 如果我买不起房子 作为美国公民 你觉得萨尔瓦多人怎么样 |
| 131 | coming here with nothing in their pockets can afford a house over me? | 他们口袋里没东西能买得起房子吗? |
| 132 | But in the sense, we're not just a country of GDP and economics, we're a country of values, | 但从意义上讲,我们不仅仅是一个GDP和经济的国家,我们是一个价值观的国家, |
| 133 | right? | 对吧? |
| 134 | And if people, you're saying some guy from El Salvador. | 如果有人,你说的是一个萨尔瓦多人。 |
| 135 | For me, it's a problem when I look at California and a majority of the young people under the | 对我来说,这是个问题 当我看着加利福尼亚 和大多数年轻人 在下面 |
| 136 | age of 30 speak Spanish and don't speak English very well. | 30岁会说西班牙语,不会说英语 |
| 137 | That's a problem. | 那是个问题。 |
| 138 | It's a problem that these people don't speak English. | 这些人不会说英语是一个问题. |
| 139 | I personally don't, I mean, I guess that's just where we're at. | 我个人没有,我的意思是, 我想这就是我们的位置。 |
| 140 | How could you? | 你怎么能这样? |
| 141 | Well, of course. | 当然 |
| 142 | But if you were here right now and I spoke Spanish and you only spoke English, we wouldn't | 但如果你现在在这里,我说西班牙语 而你只说英语,我们不会 |
| 143 | be able to have this debate. | 能够进行辩论。 |
| 144 | What kind of country is that? | 何等为国. |
| 145 | It's a country of diversity. | 其国多异. |
| 146 | But diversity is not a good thing. | 但多样性不是一件好事。 |
| 147 | If people in your own family couldn't speak the same language, would that be good? | 如果你家里的人不能说同一种语言 那会更好吗? |
| 148 | If we had a method of communication, I could have someone translate to me, I can talk to | 如果我们有交流方法 我可以找人给我翻译 我可以跟 |
| 149 | them. | 他们。 |
| 150 | You want to have a translator in your family? | 你想让一个翻译在你家里? |
| 151 | If I can communicate with them, I can talk to them, it doesn't make them less human, | 如果我能和他们沟通,我可以和他们交谈, 这不会让他们减少人性, |
| 152 | it doesn't make us different. | 这并不让我们不同。 |
| 153 | I'm not saying it makes them less human, but if you can't have a common culture, a common | 我不是说这让他们 人类更少, 但是如果你不能有一个共同的文化, 一个共同的 |
| 154 | communication with your neighbors, then they're not your neighbors. | 跟你的邻居沟通,那么他们不是你的邻居。 |
| 155 | They're foreigners in your land. | 他们是外国人 在你的土地上。 |
| 156 | If you can't communicate with them by speaking with them, they're not your neighbor. | 如果你不能和他们交流, 他们不是你的邻居。 |
| 157 | And I feel like there's so many values that just transcend this language barrier. | 我觉得有太多的价值观 超越了语言障碍 |
| 158 | I feel like there's so many ways to communicate other than just language and there's so many | 我觉得有很多方法可以沟通 不只是语言 还有太多 |
| 159 | ways to form camaraderie other than language. | 除了语言以外 如何形成友情 |
| 160 | I don't think human interaction is just, oh, if you speak the same language or if you don't. | 我不认为人类的相互作用只是,哦,如果你说同一种语言,或者如果你不说。 |
| 161 | Of course not. | 当然不是。 |
| 162 | You can speak whatever language. | 你可以说任何语言。 |
| 163 | I'm going to find a way to relate. | 我会想办法联系你 |
| 164 | I'm going to find a way to become friends with you. | 我会想办法跟你成为朋友 |
| 165 | I feel like that shouldn't be difficult. | 我觉得这不难 |
| 166 | That's true. | 没错 |
| 167 | I went to Japan and I went all around the country. | 我去了日本,我到全国各地。 |
| 168 | And I can tell you it was so difficult to get around that country because I can't understand | 我可以告诉你,这很难 绕过这个国家 因为我不明白 |
| 169 | a word that they are saying in Japanese. | 他们用日语说的一句话 |
| 170 | And so now you have people who are coming into this country who can't understand the | 所以,现在你有的人 谁来这个国家 谁不明白 |
| 171 | things that I'm saying. | 我所说的一切 |
| 172 | That is wrong. | 这是错误的。 |
| 173 | The people who should be coming here should be able to speak English. | 应该来这里的人 应该能说英语 |
| 174 | That should be part of the test. | 这应该是测试的一部分。 |
| 175 | That if you're coming to be a legal immigrant into this country, you should speak English. | 如果你想成为这个国家的合法移民 你应该说英语 |
| 176 | That builds a cohesive culture of people who can communicate, who can do business, who | 这营造了一种团结的文化,由能够交流、能够做生意、能够 |
| 177 | can get things done. | 可以把事情办好 |
| 178 | That's what happened with all the immigrants that you're talking about, Irish immigrants. | 这就是你所说的所有移民,爱尔兰移民所发生的事情. |
| 179 | These people assimilated into the culture, the German immigrants, the Austrian immigrants, | 这些人被同化为 文化,德国移民,奥地利移民, |
| 180 | the English immigrants, the Italian immigrants. | 英国移民 意大利移民 |
| 181 | They assimilated and they spoke the same language and it worked really well. | 他们同化了,说着同一种语言, 效果非常好。 |
| 182 | But if you have people coming in who don't speak the same language, who don't have the | 但是如果有人进来 他们不会说同一种语言 |
| 183 | same values, then I don't want you here. | 同样的价值,那么我不想你在这里。 |
| 184 | I want to take care of the Americans who are suffering before people who don't share the | 我想照顾那些正在受苦受难的美国人 在那些不分享 |
| 185 | same values and don't share the same culture or language. | 价值观相同,文化或语言不同 |
| 186 | It's kind of weird to tell them, hey, you need to learn another language when I only | 告诉他们这有点奇怪,嘿,你需要学习另一种语言 当我仅仅 |
| 187 | know one language. | 懂一种语言。 |
| 188 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 189 | Why is that wrong? | 为什么这样不对? |
| 190 | We don't have a national language. | 我们没有国语. |
| 191 | It's not... | 这不是... |
| 192 | We should. | 我们应该。 |
| 193 | It should be English. | 应该是英语 |
| 194 | I guess that's where we disagree. | 我想这就是我们不同意的地方。 |
| 195 | If I go to another country, I shouldn't expect them all to learn English. | 如果我去了另一个国家,我不应该指望他们都学英语. |
| 196 | Should I go to Mexico and expect all the Mexicans to learn English to make me feel better? | 我应该去墨西哥 期待所有的墨西哥人 学习英语 让我感觉更好? |
| 197 | I mean, a lot of people... | 我是说,很多人... |
| 198 | Of course not. | 当然不是。 |
| 199 | It's a ridiculous question. | 这是一个荒谬的问题。 |
| 200 | If you come to America, you learn English. | 如果你来美国,你会学英语。 |
| 201 | If I go to Mexico, I learn Spanish. | 如果我去墨西哥,我会学西班牙语。 |
| 202 | If I go to Japan, I learn Japanese. | 如果我去日本,我会学日语。 |
| 203 | And again, it's just... | 再说一遍,只是... |
| 204 | That's what culture is. | 这就是文化。 |
| 205 | That's how they're cohesive. | 他们就是这样团结的 |
| 206 | I understand that. | 这我知道 |
| 207 | I think we just have a different outlook in American culture. | 我认为我们在美国文化中有着不同的看法。 |
| 208 | Yeah, that's fine. | 是啊,这很好。 |
| 209 | That's fine. | 没关系 |
| 210 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 211 | Like I said, I appreciate the diversity. | 如我所说,我很欣赏多样性。 |
| 212 | I consider us a very diverse, again, multiple languages, multiple races, multiple backgrounds. | 我认为我们是一个非常多样化的, 再次,多种语言,多种种族,多种背景。 |
| 213 | And I don't mind that. | 我不介意这样 |
| 214 | I think if I can't communicate with everyone in my nation, that's fine. | 我想如果我不能和全国的每个人沟通, 那很好. |
| 215 | As long as you're here, good person, trying to work, doing a good job. | 只要你在这里,好人, 努力工作,做一个好工作。 |
| 216 | The other thing about... | 还有一件事... |
| 217 | You were talking about suffering, that we need to prioritize American suffering. | 你在说受苦受难 我们需要优先考虑美国受苦受难 |
| 218 | I don't like this rhetoric of that these immigrants are directly leading to American suffering | 我不喜欢这种言论 说这些移民 直接导致美国的痛苦 |
| 219 | and not the wealth disparity. | 而不是财富差距。 |
| 220 | I think if you look at the 50s economic boom, you look at the wealth disparity in the 50s, | 我认为如果你看50年代的经济繁荣, 你看看50年代的财富差距, |
| 221 | it was the closest it's ever been. | 这是史上最亲近的一次 |
| 222 | And ever since then, it's just becoming bigger and bigger. | 从那时起,它正变得越来越大。 |
| 223 | And the American people have only been suffering more and more. | 而美国人民只遭受了越来越多的苦难. |
| 224 | And I think that's... | 我觉得... |
| 225 | I agree with you. | 我同意你的观点。 |
| 226 | And I think illegal immigration is one part to play to that. | 我认为非法移民是其中的一部分。 |
| 227 | But I think those people... | 但我认为那些人... |
| 228 | Like you're talking about... | 就像你说的... |
| 229 | I'm going to assume. | 我将假设。 |
| 230 | You can tell me if I'm wrong. | 如果我错了 你可以告诉我 |
| 231 | You're basically saying that there's these people at the top who are getting richer and | 你根本就是说 顶层有人越来越有钱了 |
| 232 | richer and the wealth disparity is getting worse and worse. | 财富更加丰富,财富差距越来越严重。 |
| 233 | Those people at the top, those rich people, they love illegal immigration. | 顶级的那些人 那些有钱人 他们喜欢非法移民 |
| 234 | They love it because it disrupts the country and it makes people poorer. | 他们喜欢它,因为它扰乱了国家,使人民更加贫穷。 |
| 235 | Illegal immigration leads to a net loss for the country by having these people come in. | 非法移民使这些人入境,给国家带来净损失。 |
| 236 | I mean, it's just basic economics. | 我的意思是,这只是基本经济学。 |
| 237 | If you flood the country with people, then you're going to depress wages. | 如果你用人来淹没国家,你就会压低工资。 |
| 238 | And so we're talking about the wealth gap and all this kind of stuff. | 所以,我们谈论的是 财富差距和所有这些东西。 |
| 239 | If the wages for normal working class people are depressed because illegal immigrants come | 如果正常的工人阶级的工资因为非法移民而下降 |
| 240 | in and depress those wages, you're going to have big issues. | 减低工资,你会有大问题。 |
| 241 | The question I wanted to ask is about immigration laws and ICE specifically and how they're handling | 我想问的问题是 移民法和移民局 以及他们如何处理 |
| 242 | the situation of deportation and illegal immigrants today. | 今天的驱逐和非法移民状况。 |
| 243 | And something that I have not a problem with but gives me a little bit of discomfort and | 有些事我没有问题,但让我有点不舒服 |
| 244 | makes it uneasy to take a formal side on neither point of the view is when you have a productive | 在两种观点上采取正式的一面使你感到不自在 当你有成果的时候 |
| 245 | member of society that pays their taxes, that doesn't do anything wrong, that is integrated | 社会成员交税,不做错事,是一体化的 |
| 246 | in what we call the American dream. | 我们称之为美国梦 |
| 247 | Maybe they did come to the country illegally and they did do something wrong, but why does | 也许他们真的非法来到了这个国家 他们做了错事,但为什么 |
| 248 | it benefit us as a society to take them out of something they're giving back to and being | 作为社会 把他们从他们回报的事物中带走 对我们有好处 |
| 249 | productive in? | 生产? |
| 250 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 251 | Thank you for the question. | 谢谢你的问候 |
| 252 | And I see you're obviously up here with good faith, so awesome. | 我看你显然有诚意 如此棒 |
| 253 | So I guess it really comes down to the fact that these people are coming illegally, right? | 所以我想这真的要归因于 这些人是非法来的,对不对? |
| 254 | Which is a crime, right? | 这是犯罪 对吧? |
| 255 | Now you can't just say it's wrong because it's a crime, but they are coming illegally | 现在,你不能说这是错的 因为这是犯罪,但他们是非法来的 |
| 256 | and it's a felony. | 这是重罪 |
| 257 | And so think about, how old are you? | 想想,你几岁了? |
| 258 | I'm 21. | 我21岁了 |
| 259 | 21, okay. | 21,好吗? |
| 260 | All the people in this country right now who are 21 years old about your age and your my | 这个国家的所有人,现在 谁21岁 你的年龄和我的 |
| 261 | age, we are struggling more than any other time in human history. | 我们比人类历史上任何其他时期都更艰难 |
| 262 | Most anxious, most medicated, most depressed generation, can't afford a home, can't really | 最焦虑,最吃药,最沮丧的一代, 买不起家,真的不行 |
| 263 | get good jobs, living in some horrible city, like it is bad for Americans right now, right? | 找份好工作,住在一个可怕的城市里 就像现在对美国人不好一样,对吗? |
| 264 | Especially young Americans who are doing worse than ever before. | 尤其是美国年轻人,他们做的比以前更糟糕。 |
| 265 | So in my view, it is even if this person is coming here and doing something that they | 所以在我看来 即使这个人来这里做一些他们 |
| 266 | believe is a good job or helping out in America, something like that, they are a criminal for | 相信是好工作 或帮助在美国, 类似的东西,他们是罪犯 |
| 267 | coming in here and they are taking opportunity away from Americans who need that opportunity. | 他们从需要这个机会的美国人那里抢走机会 |
| 268 | Does that make sense? | 这有道理吗? |
| 269 | That does make sense. | 这确实有道理。 |
| 270 | I fully agree. | 我完全同意这一点。 |
| 271 | But on the flip side, there are plenty of Americans that don't take the initiative. | 但另一方面,有很多美国人不主动采取行动. |
| 272 | And you could say that these people that are coming in have the initiative that Americans | 你可以说,这些人 即将进来 有美国的倡议 |
| 273 | here don't. | 这里没有。 |
| 274 | And sure, maybe they're taking up opportunities away in the grand scheme of things, but there | 肯定的,也许他们正在抢夺机会 在大计划的事情,但在那里 |
| 275 | are people that are motivated that are coming to the country that are more so motivated | 那些有积极性的人 来这个国家的人 |
| 276 | than the people that are already here. | 而不是已经在这里的人 |
| 277 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 278 | And so why don't they come legally? | 为什么他们不合法来? |
| 279 | Well, I think that's a great question. | 嗯,我认为这是一个很好的问题。 |
| 280 | And that's, I think, almost a completely different issue. | 我认为,这几乎是一个完全不同的问题。 |
| 281 | I fully agree. | 我完全同意这一点。 |
| 282 | My parents are immigrants. | 我的父母是移民。 |
| 283 | They came through the process completely legally about 20 years ago now. | 大约在20年前,他们完全合法地经历了这一进程。 |
| 284 | And it is difficult. | 这是很难的。 |
| 285 | And the reason people do come illegally is because it's very, very hard to get into the | 人们非法来的原因是 很难进入 |
| 286 | country legally, especially if you're from a place like Mexico where there's a crazy | 法律上的国家,特别是如果你来自墨西哥这样的地方 那里有一个疯子 |
| 287 | influx of migrants. | 移民的涌入。 |
| 288 | It would be on a waiting list for years and years and years. | 它会列在一个等待列表上 几年,几年和几年。 |
| 289 | And if you want to have children start a family and you have a little bit of a timeline there, | 如果你想有孩子 开始一个家庭 和你有一点点的时间线在那里, |
| 290 | you got to take action quickly. | 你得快点行动 |
| 291 | And do you think that it's a right or a privilege to come to America? | 你觉得来美国是权利还是特权? |
| 292 | Absolute privilege. | 绝对的特权。 |
| 293 | Yeah, a privilege. | 是啊,一个特权。 |
| 294 | So with that being said, you know, you're talking about it takes so long for someone | 所以说,你知道,你说的 一个人需要这么久 |
| 295 | from Mexico to be able to come here legally, and so they cut in line and become illegal | 从墨西哥可以合法地来到这里, 所以他们切断队列,成为非法 |
| 296 | immigrants and come here legally. | 移民,合法地来到这里。 |
| 297 | For me, if it's a privilege to come here, that means that it doesn't have to be easier. | 对我来说,如果来这里是一种特权,那就意味着它不必容易一些. |
| 298 | It should be difficult to come here. | 应该很难来这里 |
| 299 | We should be wanting the best of the best people, because what is the purpose of immigration | 我们应该要最好的人 因为移民的目的是什么 |
| 300 | to this country? | 去这个国家? |
| 301 | The purpose of immigration is to have the best people to benefit America. | 移民的目的就是让最好的人从美国受益. |
| 302 | And if you're having that, then immigration is a net good. | 如果你有,那么移民就是一种净好处。 |
| 303 | But like from certain types of history, like 1950s and 1960s, we had almost no new immigration, | 但是,就像某些类型的历史, 像1950年代和1960年代, 我们几乎没有新的移民, |
| 304 | legal or illegal. | 合法或非法的。 |
| 305 | Right? | 对吧? |
| 306 | And we saw a very prosperous time in this country. | 我们在这个国家看到了一个非常繁荣的时代。 |
| 307 | And now we have completely opened the floodgates and totally let just anyone into this country. | 现在我们完全打开了水闸 让任何人进入这个国家 |
| 308 | You know, so like this story that you talk about of, you know, an illegal immigrant who's | 你知道,所以像这个故事 你谈论,你知道,一个非法移民 谁是 |
| 309 | here and he's working hard. | 他在这里工作很努力。 |
| 310 | It's a good story. | 说妙法门. |
| 311 | But many of them are not that way. | 但是,其中许多不是那样的。 |
| 312 | And they take advantage of social services, they go to our schools, they have a culture | 他们利用社会服务,去我们的学校, 他们有一个文化 |
| 313 | that is different than ours. | 这和我们的不一样 |
| 314 | I want all of them deported. | 我要把他们全部驱逐出境 |
| 315 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 316 | So where do you think the proportions lie then? | 你觉得比例是多少? |
| 317 | Like what percentage of them are not contributing to society, you think? | 你觉得他们中有多少人没有对社会作出贡献? |
| 318 | In that sense, it's almost irrelevant. | 从这个意义上讲,这几乎是无关紧要的. |
| 319 | Because you could have, let's say if you even had half of people who contributed, illegal | 因为你本可以的,我们假设 如果你甚至有一半的人 谁贡献,非法 |
| 320 | immigrants. | 移民问题。 |
| 321 | It's not that much, but let's say you had half of illegal immigrants contributing to | 没那么多,但我们假设你有一半的非法移民为 |
| 322 | society in a positive way in America. | 社会在美国以积极的方式。 |
| 323 | Still, these people have cut in line. | 尽管如此,这些人已经排队。 |
| 324 | And with that contribution, they're taking things from Americans that Americans now have | 有了这个贡献 他们从美国人那里拿走了美国人现在拥有的东西 |
| 325 | to pay for and have less opportunity. | 支付和减少机会。 |
| 326 | You see what I'm saying? | 明白我的意思了吗? |
| 327 | I do. | 当然 |
| 328 | So why have wages in this country stagnated? | 为何这个国家的工资停滞? |
| 329 | Are you asking me? | 你在问我吗? |
| 330 | Yeah, yeah. | 对 对 |
| 331 | Why do you think so? | 你为什么这么认为? |
| 332 | Why have them stagnated? | 为什么他们停滞不前? |
| 333 | Or why have they stagnated? | 还是他们为什么停滞不前? |
| 334 | Why have they? | 为什么? |
| 335 | Honestly, there's probably like a multitude of reasons, right? | 老实说,可能有很多原因,对吧? |
| 336 | I mean, the first thing that comes to mind is that there's an excess of labor, probably. | 我的意思是,第一件事 想到的是 劳动力过剩,可能是。 |
| 337 | I mean, there's too many people to pay that want the jobs. | 我的意思是,有太多的人支付 想要工作。 |
| 338 | So companies are incentivized to pay them more. | 因此,公司被激励支付更多的报酬. |
| 339 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 340 | That's probably the biggest reason. | 这可能是最大的原因。 |
| 341 | There's just a high supply of people that are willing to do the same job. | 唯愿同业者多供给. |
| 342 | Exactly. | 没错 |
| 343 | So what happens when the legal immigrant comes in and says, I'll work for $5 when the minimum | 那么,当合法移民进来 说,我会工作5美元 当最低 |
| 344 | wage is $15? | 工资是15美元? |
| 345 | Or whatever it is. | 或随其所缘. |
| 346 | I mean, I'm a business major, so I'm going to pay the immigrant. | 我的意思是,我是一个商业专业, 所以我要去支付移民。 |
| 347 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 348 | And that's what companies continue to do. | 公司继续这样做。 |
| 349 | I mean, like 70% of ag workers in Texas are legal immigrants, basically. | 德克萨斯州70%的工人都是合法移民 |
| 350 | So this is happening all over the country. | 因此,这正在全国各地发生。 |
| 351 | And that makes the wages stay exactly the same. | 这使得工资保持不变。 |
| 352 | But if you were to stop the illegal immigration, kick the people out, those wages would go | 但是如果你阻止非法移民, 将人民赶出去, 那些工资会减少 |
| 353 | up. | 起来 |
| 354 | Wages across the board would go up. | 工资会上涨 |
| 355 | And I think you would have more Americans who are willing to do these kind of jobs that | 我认为你会有更多的美国人 愿意做这种工作, |
| 356 | everyone always says Americans don't want to do these jobs. | 大家都说美国人不想做这些工作 |
| 357 | They don't want to do these jobs. | 他们不想做这些工作。 |
| 358 | They would do these jobs if the wages were allowed to grow again without the stagnation | 如果允许工资增长而不停滞的话,他们会做这些工作 |
| 359 | brought on by illegal immigration. | 非法移民带来的问题。 |
| 360 | But isn't the flip side of that, now that we have all this cheap labor, we can build | 但现在我们有这么便宜的劳动力了 我们能建立 |
| 361 | We can create new jobs by building office buildings, things like that. | 我们可以通过建造办公楼来创造新的工作, 诸如此类的东西。 |
| 362 | We have a way to drive societies by sourcing this cheap labor. | 我们有办法通过寻找廉价劳动力来推动社会的发展。 |
| 363 | Right. | 对 |
| 364 | But America is even more than not even just a GDP and economy. | 但美国甚至不仅仅是国内生产总值和经济。 |
| 365 | We are a culture. | 我们是一个文化。 |
| 366 | And like in California, you have a majority of people under the age of 30 who English | 就像加州一样 30岁以下的人大多是英国人 |
| 367 | isn't even their first language. | 甚至不是他们的第一语言。 |
| 368 | And to me, that's a problem. | 对我来说,这是一个问题。 |
| 369 | And so when you have people coming into this country who don't speak the language, you | 所以当你有人来 这个国家 谁不说语言,你 |
| 370 | share the same values, even if they are, like you said, contributing in some way, it's | 分享同样的价值, 即使他们,就像你说的, 以某种方式贡献,这是 |
| 371 | still not enough. | 还是不够。 |
| 372 | And then you have many of these illegal immigrants, not all of them, of course, but you have illegal | 然后,你有很多这些非法移民, 当然不是全部, 但你有非法的 |
| 373 | immigrants who are coming in and committing heinous crimes and then being taken to American | 被带往美国的人 |
| 374 | jails where the taxpayer pays for this person's incarceration. | 由纳税人支付此人监禁费的监狱。 |
| 375 | Like at UGA, you had Lake and Rye, I get murdered by an illegal immigrant who had been deported | 就像在UGA,你和Lake和Rye, 我被一个非法移民谋杀了,他被驱逐出境了。 |
| 376 | five times, you know, raped and murdered, absolutely evil. | 五次,你知道,强奸和谋杀,绝对邪恶。 |
| 377 | And so the point of it is that this person shouldn't have been here in the first place | 所以重要的是 这个人不应该在这里 |
| 378 | because we don't know who they are. | 因为我们不知道他们是谁 |
| 379 | We don't know anything about them. | 我们对他们一无所知 |
| 380 | And they're taking advantage of the system. | 他们正在利用这个系统 |
| 381 | So instead, I say, just shut it all down, get those people out of the country, fix America, | 所以,我说,只是关闭这一切, 让这些人离开这个国家, 修复美国, |
| 382 | get America to a much better place with Americans. | 让美国和美国人去更好的地方 |
| 383 | And then you can open it back up to people. | 然后你可以打开它回人。 |
| 384 | But for now, it's too much. | 但是现在,这是太多。 |
| 385 | We've totally gone overboard. | 我们完全过头了 |
| 386 | And it's also part of the reason why housing is so expensive, because supply and demand, | 这也是住房如此昂贵的原因之一 因为供求 |
| 387 | you bring in 10 million illegal immigrants who need places to live, you know, what is | 你带来一千万非法移民 他们需要住的地方,你知道,是什么 |
| 388 | that going to do to the housing market? | 这会对住房市场造成影响? |
| 389 | It's going to explode the price of housing because so many people need it all at once | 它会爆炸 房价因为这么多人 需要这一切同时 |
| 390 | because they came in and cut in line. | 因为他们进来排队 |
| 391 | Yeah, I agree on a lot of things that you said there. | 是啊,我同意很多事情 你在那里说。 |
| 392 | I mean, it's definitely a problem, especially when they did do something wrong. | 我的意思是,这绝对是一个问题, 尤其是当他们做错了什么。 |
| 393 | They're not contributing to society. | 他们没有对社会作出贡献. |
| 394 | It makes you think, oh, wow, we should have just never let them in in the first place. | 这让你觉得,哦,哇, 我们只是不应该让他们在一开始。 |
| 395 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 396 | Why have they gotten here? | 他们为什么来这里? |
| 397 | So that's what I think makes it a bit problematic for me to just take one side. | 所以,我认为这让我有点问题 仅仅站在一边。 |
| 398 | I mean, I'll wrap up with one last thing, but I want to ask you what your proposed solution | 我的意思是,我最后要说一件事, 但我想问你 你提出的解决方案 |
| 399 | is to the deportation issue. | 是驱逐问题。 |
| 400 | I mean, of course, the way ICE is handling things is very aggressive. | 我的意思是,当然, ICE的方式 处理事情是非常积极的。 |
| 401 | Do you think that's the right approach or do you think there's a better approach out there? | 你认为这是正确的方法 还是你认为有更好的方法在那里? |
| 402 | I think that aggression is the right approach. | 我认为,侵略是正确的办法。 |
| 403 | I think you have to be, you know, many of these people have ingratiated themselves into | 我认为你必须,你知道, 很多人 已经倾注到自己 |
| 404 | the fabric of America. | 美国的结构。 |
| 405 | And if you're not aggressive and actually go after these people, I mean, how are you | 如果你没有侵略性,实际上去 这些人,我的意思是,你怎么样 |
| 406 | going to take them out? | 要干掉他们吗? |
| 407 | By asking them, that's never going to happen. | 通过问他们,那永远不会发生。 |
| 408 | It is a felony to come over the border illegally and live here. | 非法通过边境住在这里是重罪。 |
| 409 | And the fact that these people are protecting illegals is, I mean, I don't know why we're | 这些人在保护非法份子 我不知道我们为什么 |
| 410 | not just going after all these types of people and primaring them and getting them out of | 不只是去追杀所有这些类型的人 和初选他们,让他们离开 |
| 411 | their jobs. | 他们的工作。 |
| 412 | So yeah, but I think aggression is the way to go when it comes to that. | 所以,是的,但我认为 侵略是前进的方式 当它涉及到这一点。 |
| 413 | You have to be, unfortunately, you know, and there will be disruption. | 不幸的,你必须这么做,而且会受到干扰。 |
| 414 | There's no doubt about that. | 无疑. |
| 415 | As we say, you know, yeah, of course, you know, and bad things happen, unfortunately, | 正如我们所说,你知道,是的,当然,你知道, 和坏的事情发生, 不幸的是, |
| 416 | but I believe it's the right thing to do. | 但我相信这样做是对的 |
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