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0:00What the WEF has stood for, which is export, offshore, far shore, find the cheapest labourWEF代表着什么 出口 海外 远岸 寻找最廉价的劳动力
0:08in the world and the world is a better place for it.在这个世界和世界 是一个更好的地方。
0:12The fact is it has left America behind.事实是它已经离开了美国。
0:15I'm very struck by and taken by the idea of putting your own country first and considering我对把你们自己的国家放在首位 考虑一下的想法非常震惊
0:24your own security and resilience.你自己的安全和复原力。
0:25You shouldn't offshore your entire industrial base and have it be hollowed out beneath you.你不该把整个工业基地 都挖空了
0:31You should not be dependent for that which is fundamental to your sovereignty on any other nation.你不应该依赖任何其他国家来行使你的主权。
0:38You are a much bigger economy and we can't do everything on our own and nor should we你是一个大得多的经济, 我们不能做一切 我们自己和我们不应该
0:44try to because we'd end up doing nothing well.尝试一下,因为我们最后不会做好事。
0:46And even a country as big and as strong as America also relies on its allies.甚至一个像美国这样强大和强大的国家也依赖于它的盟友.
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1What the WEF has stood for, which is export, offshore, far shore, find the cheapest labourWEF代表着什么 出口 海外 远岸 寻找最廉价的劳动力
2in the world and the world is a better place for it.在这个世界和世界 是一个更好的地方。
3The fact is it has left America behind.事实是它已经离开了美国。
4I'm very struck by and taken by the idea of putting your own country first and considering我对把你们自己的国家放在首位 考虑一下的想法非常震惊
5your own security and resilience.你自己的安全和复原力。
6You shouldn't offshore your entire industrial base and have it be hollowed out beneath you.你不该把整个工业基地 都挖空了
7You should not be dependent for that which is fundamental to your sovereignty on any other nation.你不应该依赖任何其他国家来行使你的主权。
8You are a much bigger economy and we can't do everything on our own and nor should we你是一个大得多的经济, 我们不能做一切 我们自己和我们不应该
9try to because we'd end up doing nothing well.尝试一下,因为我们最后不会做好事。
10And even a country as big and as strong as America also relies on its allies.甚至一个像美国这样强大和强大的国家也依赖于它的盟友.
11Why would Europe agree to be net zero in 2030 when they don't make a battery?为什么欧洲同意在2030年成为净零 当他们不制造电池时?
12They don't make a battery.他们不制造电池。
13So if they go 2030 they are deciding to be subservient to China who makes the batteries.因此,如果他们去2030年, 他们决定服从于中国 谁制造电池。
14Why would you do that?你为什么要这么做?
1590% of your critical minerals at the moment come from China.你们目前关键矿产品90%来自中国.
16You need to wean yourself off those.你得从那些东西上断肢
17But you won't be able to do that without the help of Canada and Australia and other countries.但是,没有加拿大,澳大利亚和其他国家的帮助,你将无法做到这一点.
18And then don't be America alone but be America first, close your eyes and think of a world然后不要独自做美国 而是先做美国 闭上眼睛,想想世界
19without America in it.没有美国在里面。
20It becomes pretty dark pretty darn quickly.它变得相当黑暗 非常快。
21The solution is going to be different in every country but what I would urge Howard and others每一个国家的解决办法都会不同 但我会敦促霍华德和其他人
22in the administration just to think of is how your allies can also help you achieve在政府中只是想着 你的盟友如何能够帮助你实现
23your objectives which I think are in your national interest as well as helping all of我认为你们的目标符合你们国家利益,也有利于你们所有人
24the Western world to thrive.西方世界的繁荣
25Can I bring you back to Greenland?我能把你带回格陵兰吗?
26No.没有
27What the WEF has stood for which is export, offshore, far shore, find the cheapest labour出口、海外、远岸、最廉价的劳动力
28in the world and the world is a better place for it.在这个世界和世界 是一个更好的地方。
29The fact is it has left America behind.事实是它已经离开了美国。
30It has left the American workers behind.这把美国工人丢在后面了
31And what we are here to say is that America first is a different model.我们在这里要说的是,美国首先是一个不同的模式。
32One that we encourage other countries to consider which is that our workers come first.我们鼓励其他国家考虑的是,我们的工人是第一位的。
33We can have policies that impact our workers.我们可以制定影响工人的政策。
34Sovereignty is your borders.主权是你的边界。
35You're entitled to have borders.你有权拥有边界。
36You shouldn't offshore your medicine.你不该用你的药
37You shouldn't offshore your semiconductors.你不应该把半导体离岸
38You shouldn't offshore your entire industrial base and have it be hollowed out beneath you.你不该把整个工业基地 都挖空了
39You should not be dependent for that which is fundamental to your sovereignty on any你不应该依赖对主权至关重要的东西
40other nation.其他国家。
41And if you're going to be dependent on someone it darn well better be your best allies.如果你要依赖一个人 最好是你最好的盟友
42Okay and so that is a different way of thinking.好吧,所以这是一个不同的思维方式。
43It is completely different than the WEF.它与WEF完全不同.
44I viewed the WEF as not a flagpole in the middle but in fact they are the flag.我将WEF看成不是中间的旗杆,但事实上它们是旗杆.
45Whichever way the wind blew so it blew.风从哪吹到哪就吹到哪
46You should have solar.你应该有太阳能。
47You should have wind.你应该有风。
48Why are you going to do solar and wind?你为什么要做太阳能和风?
49Why would Europe agree to be net zero in 2030 when they don't make a battery?为什么欧洲同意在2030年成为净零 当他们不制造电池时?
50They don't make a battery.他们不制造电池。
51So if they go 2030 they are deciding to be subservient to China who makes the batteries.因此,如果他们去2030年, 他们决定服从于中国 谁制造电池。
52Why would you do that?你为什么要这么做?
53Why would the United States of America which has oil and natural gas try to convert to拥有石油和天然气的美利坚合众国为何要试图转变为
54all electricity?所有的电?
55China does not have oil and natural gas.中国没有石油和天然气。
56Electricity and electric cars make perfect sense to them.电力和电动汽车对他们来说是完全合理的.
57That is practical and logical.这是实际和合乎逻辑的。
58So the point I want to make and I want people to think about is that America first is the所以我想说 我想让大家思考的是 美国首先是
59job of our government to take care of our workers to make sure their lives are better我们政府负责照顾工人 确保他们的生活更好
60for it and then don't be America alone right but be America first and I would suggest我建议你先做美国
61that policy is something for other countries to deeply consider to take care of their own这项政策是其他国家深思熟虑的
62and then we will work out wonderful relationships between us.然后我们会找到 我们之间的美好关系。
63But I want to point out when America shines the world shines.但我要指出,当美国照耀世界时,世界照耀。
64Close your eyes and think of a world without America in it.闭上眼睛 想想一个没有美国的世界
65It becomes pretty dark pretty darn quickly when America shines right and everyone said它变得相当黑暗 相当快,当美国闪耀 正确的,每个人都说
66oh you're going to do all these tariffs you're going to destroy the world.哦,你会做所有这些关税 你会摧毁世界。
67The world's stock markets are up.世界股市上架.
68Which ones of them can I bring you back to Greenland?哪个能把你带回格陵兰?
69No it's unnecessary it's the Western Hemisphere is vital for the United States of America.不,这是不必要的 西半球对美利坚合众国至关重要。
70Our national security people are on it and they care about it and I'm going to leave我们的国家安全人员正在调查,他们很关心,我要离开
71it to them to address with our allies with our friends and with everyone how they work和我们的盟友 和我们的朋友 和每个人一起讨论他们是如何工作的
72it out but the Western Hemisphere matters to the United States of America and the United但西半球对美利坚合众国和美国很重要
73States of America as I've just articulated really really matters to the world when America正如我刚刚所阐明的,美国对世界来说真的很重要
74shines the world shines because they all need to make sure America is strong and powerful他们都需要确保美国强大和强大
75to take care of them God forbid and so I think America and the Western Hemisphere are vital所以我觉得美国和西半球至关重要
76to America and I'm going to leave that to my national security people to address.我要把这个留给我的国家保安人员
77Right the rest of us I think are finding it harder to make that kind of separation clearly是的,我们其余的人... ...我觉得更难做到... ...这种分离
78and I would be curious to know how the representatives of the UK and Canada might want to think about我很想知道英国和加拿大代表会想怎样考虑
79these issues do you see them starkly divided as Secretary Lucknick would like us to have这些问题你是否认为它们存在严重分歧, 因为国务卿勒克尼克希望我们有
80them does this logic of what's good for America is good for the world convince in this extraordinarily他们的逻辑对美国有好处 对全世界来说都有好处
81strong extremely eloquent expression that we've just heard.我们刚刚听到的非常雄辩的表达
82You go first.你先说
83Thanks Francois Philippe.谢谢弗朗索瓦·菲利普
84We're friends.我们是朋友
85So I'm very struck by and taken by the idea of putting your own country first and considering因此,我非常震惊和接受 把你们自己的国家放在首位,考虑
86your own security and resilience.你自己的安全和复原力。
87I think it's about three years ago now that I gave a speech where I coined the term我想大概是三年前 我做了一个演讲 在那里我发明了术语
88which is all about building security and resilience in your economy and the days when这都是为了在你的经济中建立安全和复原力,以及那些
89it didn't matter where things were made and who made them were in the past and that's做东西的地方 是谁做的不重要
90become increasingly clear since the pandemic when we were over reliance on PPE and medicines自我们过度依赖个人防护设备和药品以来,这种流行病日益明显
91from abroad and then again when Russia invaded Ukraine because of what happened to oil and从国外,然后俄罗斯再次入侵乌克兰,因为石油和石油的发生
92gas prices I guess for an economy like the UK the way in which we will pursue our national我想对于像英国这样的经济体来说 天然气价格 是我们追求国民的方式
93interest is going to be different from the way in which the US pursues theirs you are利息将不同于美国追求你的方式
94a much bigger economy and we can't do everything on our own and nor should we try to because经济规模要大得多 我们不能自己做任何事 也不应该因为
95we'd end up doing nothing well but we do have real strengths in the UK in our defense sector我们最终会无功而返 但我们在英国的国防部门确实有实力
96in life sciences in business and financial services but we do rely on our allies as商业和金融服务中的生命科学 但是我们依赖我们的盟友
97well and even a country as big and as strong as America also relies on its allies and I即使是一个像美国这样强大和强大的国家 也依赖它的盟友和我
98guess the sort of area where I think that we do need to sort of continue that dialogue猜猜我认为我们需要继续对话的领域
99between countries that share each other's values is how we can work together in our彼此分享价值观的国家之间,就是我们如何在彼此之间共同努力。
100mutual interests to advance our values in a very unstable and uncertain world and if在一个非常不稳定和不确定的世界中促进我们价值观的共同利益,如果
101you say could you picture the world without the US and what would the world be like yeah你说你能想象没有美国的世界 以及世界会是什么样子
102the world would be a lot poorer and it would be a lot scarier but you've also got a lot这个世界会更穷 而且会更可怕 但你也有很多
103{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}我明白 我希望我相信 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你是最强的
104ally we do we do thank you very much feeling is mutual but we do need to think about what我们真的非常感谢你 感觉是相互的 但我们需要考虑一下
105that who where the threats are and who our friends are and I think that's really more威胁在哪里 谁是我们的朋友 我认为这更
106stark for smaller economies but even for the US when you think about I was in the States对于较小的经济体来说, 即使是在美国,当你想到我在美国的时候
107as you know last week for a meeting of G7 plus a few other finance ministers to talk正如你所知,上周七国集团的会议 加上几个其他财政部长来谈
108around critical minerals now you do have some reserves of critical minerals but not everything关键矿物质的储量不多 但不是一切
109you need 90% of your critical minerals at the moment come from US from China you need你现在需要90%的重要矿物质 来自美国,你需要
110to wean yourself off those sure yeah but you won't be able to do that without the help让你自己戒掉那些东西 对,但你没有帮助是做不到的
111of Canada and Australia and other countries and so for all of your strengths we do also加拿大、澳大利亚和其他国家,以及你们的所有力量,我们也这样做。
112need to think how we can preserve some of the things that the US has benefited from需要思考我们如何保存 美国从中获益的一些东西
113in the NATO alliance and the Western alliance not because it is the benevolent or the right在北约联盟和西方联盟中,不是因为它是仁慈的或正确的
114thing to do but because I profoundly believe it is in your country's national interest但因为我深信这符合你们国家的国家利益
115the other thing I just wanted to say Adam in terms of sort of building security and还有一件事我想说 亚当在建筑安全方面
116resilience but for my country it's about our industrial strategy where we're really focusing但对于我国来说,这是关于我们的工业战略 我们真正专注于
117on these sectors where we are really good but we're not going to be a semiconductor在那些我们很优秀的片段 但我们不会成为半导体
118superpower in the UK that's not realistic so we've got friends yeah life sciences biotech英国的超能力不现实 所以我们有朋友
119financial services which is obviously absolutely crucial for financing things like the exploration金融服务显然对资助诸如勘探之类的事情至关重要
120of for critical minerals and the extraction of those critical minerals we've got real关键矿物的开采 以及我们掌握的
121strength with the London metal exchange in London for example but although we have some以伦敦金属交易所为例 虽然我们有一些
122reserves of lithium and tungsten we're not going to be a big global supplier of critical锂和钨的储量,我们不会成为全球重要的供应者
123minerals so we have strengths defense is another one and our trade strategy is also around矿产,所以我们有优势 防御是另一个,我们的贸易战略也围绕
124our security and resilience where we are we are trying and this is different from the US我们正在努力的安全和复原力,这与美国不同
125approach I absolutely acknowledge that we are trying to reduce barriers to trade you know我绝对承认,我们正在努力减少贸易壁垒,你知道,
126we've done trade deals this there with you with India with Korea and we're also reducing trade我们已经做了交易 在那里与你 与印度与韩国, 我们也削减贸易
127barriers with the EU there's more that we want to do together between the UK and Canada we英国和加拿大之间还有更多的障碍
128regard it in our national interest to reduce the cost of living for people in Britain but also减少英国人民的生活费用符合我们的国家利益,但也符合我们的国家利益。
129providing more opportunities for businesses in the UK to then export around the world and you为联合王国的企业提供更多的机会,然后在世界各地出口,以及你们
130know energy security is important to us as well we do have some reserves of North Sea oil and gas知道能源安全对我们很重要 我们确实有北海石油和天然气储备
131important for many decades to come but we are a net importer of oil and gas we do have because但我们是石油和天然气的净进口国,我们确实有,因为
132of the shallow waters in our seas big opportunities around wind technology we don't have what you have我们的海洋中的浅水 有着巨大的风力技术机遇 我们没有你所拥有的
133in the US and so we've got to find our own way to boost our energy security and we strongly believe在美国,所以我们必须找到自己的方法 来提升我们的能源安全,我们坚信
134that renewables is a really important part of that mix as is nuclear there hasn't been sufficient可再生能源是其中很重要的一部分 核燃料还不够
135investment in nuclear for a long time we've signed off a size well see a big nuclear reactor我们签了一个大号的核反应堆
136as well as small modular reactors in in North Wales so you know that security for us is around以及北威尔士的小型模块式反应堆 让你知道我们的安全就在附近
137energy security our security through our industrial strategy and our trade strategy as well so I think通过我们的工业战略 和贸易战略 我们的安全 所以我想
138a lot of you know shared analysis of what the problem is the solution is going to be different你们中很多人都知道 共同分析问题在于什么 解决方案会不同
139in every country but what I would urge Howard and others in the administration just to think of每一个国家,但我都会敦促霍华德和行政部门的其他人考虑
140is how your allies can also help you achieve your objectives which I think are in your你的盟友能帮助你实现你的目标 我认为这是你的
141national interest as well as helping all of the western world to thrive can I begin miss sure以及帮助整个西方世界兴旺的民族利益 我敢肯定
142well listen it's a real pleasure to be with our word and obviously Rachel and colleagues I'd like听好,我很高兴能接受我们的话 显然瑞秋和同事
143to I like the way Howard started you know it's the worker first and how we rebuild industrialization我喜欢Howard的开始方式 你知道这是工人先,我们如何重建工业化
144and you're right you know you've been looking at that and I think today and and I chaired 10你说得对,你知道你一直在看, 我想今天,我主持10
145meetings of the finance minister of the g7 perhaps last year with Rachel and Scott and others to try7国集团财政部长去年可能与瑞秋和斯科特等人会晤,试图
146to to figure out you know the the way forward and one thing and goes back to our word I think that找出前进的道路 还有一件事 回到我们的承诺 我认为
147the world see a better clearer nexus between food security energy security economic security and世界认为,粮食安全、能源安全、经济安全和粮食安全之间的联系更加明确。
148I can tell you as finance minister I've never talked as much about national security as we did我可以告诉你,作为财政部长,我从未像我们那样谈论过国家安全
149before for some of the reason that I was mentioning you know we've become too reliant and less之前我提到的一些原因 你知道我们变得太依赖 越来越少
150resilient so how do we build resiliency in the system I think has been a significant thing and因此,我们如何在系统中建立复原能力 我认为是一件很重要的事
151nostalgia is never a good strategy you know I keep saying we're entering the second quarter of the怀旧从来都不是好策略 我一直说我们要进入第二季度
15221st century and the next 25 years and beyond is not going to be like the last 25 so you cannot look21世纪和以后的25年 和以后的25年是不一样的 所以你不能看
153at the past to try to chart the future and I'd say the three s which has I call the speed scope过去试图绘制未来图 我说我称之为速度范围的三个S
154and scale of change is quite unprecedented you know some would say you have to go back to 1945变化的规模是史无前例的 你知道有些人会说 你必须回到1945年
155the fall of the Berlin wall it's everything it's your economic geopolitics supply chain柏林墙的倒塌是你的经济地缘政治供应链
156it's ai it's quantum it's a lot of things at the same time and when you realize that as we've done这是ai,它是量子 它是很多的事情 同时,当你意识到,我们已经做了
157is how do we between partners allies and friends you look at Canada I mean geography has made us我们如何在伙伴盟友和朋友之间... ...你看看加拿大...
158partners allies and friends we've been blessed by geography we shared a continent we've been伙伴的盟友和朋友 我们曾被地理所祝福 我们共享一个大陆
159trading with each other we've been exchanging actually was one of we're one of the biggest我们彼此的交易 其实是其中之一
160customers of the United States we buy more from the US than China Japan and the UK combined so美国客户 我们从美国买的比中国日本和英国加起来要多
161two-thirds of the United States of Canada is the first export market so we we've built that加拿大三分之二的美国是第一个出口市场 所以我们已经建立了
162integration but what our word was making a point and Rachel is that within that we also need to整合,但我们的言词是 说明,瑞秋是,在这个范围内,我们也需要
163do a step change how we're going to be you know a major supplier in terms of critical minerals in做一个步骤改变,我们将如何成为 你认识一个主要供应商 在关键矿物方面
164terms of energy the things that will matter for the future and what we need now is scope and scale未来和我们现在需要的 是范围和规模
165because I think what we're facing now is is a rupture point where we need to change the future因为我认为我们现在面对的是一个破碎点 我们需要改变未来
166together and I would say when I look at Canada you know we're still a a big magnet for talent我会说,当我看加拿大,你知道我们仍然是 一个巨大的磁铁人才
167I mean like the United Kingdom Rachel and I were in Downing Street recently looking at the talent我的意思是,像英国瑞秋和我 在唐宁街最近 看的人才
168and if you can attract the right people you're going to have the right economy and you're going如果你能吸引到合适的人 你会有正确的经济
169to have the right strategy the right prosperity the second thing I would say you need strong有正确的策略 正确的繁荣 第二件事我要说 你需要坚强
170industries and I think that was the point of our you need to make cars need to make ships you need我认为这就是我们的重点 你需要让汽车 让你需要的船只
171to make planes you need to have this industrial base that is going to ensure your resiliency来制造飞机,你需要拥有这个工业基地 以确保你的复原能力
172whatever happened in this new world and I'd say in terms of critical minerals it's true with with不管在这个新世界里发生了什么 我都会说关键矿物质
173our G7 colleagues we said we cannot let uncertainty become the new certainty so how do we我们的七国集团同事说过,我们不能让不确定性成为新的确定性,所以我们如何
174make sure that we improve the resilience in the system and we've seen what other actors have been确保我们提高系统的复原能力 我们已经看到了其他的行动者
175trying to do on critical minerals so we we need to learn from that and we've said let's have an试图在关键矿物上做 所以我们需要从中吸取教训 而且我们已经说过让我们有一个
176initiative to make sure we'd be more resilient and for us it's about how can we be the best倡议确保我们更有弹性 对我们来说,这关系到我们怎样才能成为最好的
177possible partners to our friend allies so that no one has a choke point when it comes to that我们朋友盟友的伴侣 这样的话,没有人会窒息
178the fourth thing I would say is around energy I think that we we have been for decades providing我要说的第四件事是围绕能量 我认为我们已经提供了几十年
179energy but I think now we're stepping up in a big way and I think it's a good thing because能量,但我觉得我们现在正在大步前进 我认为这是好事,因为
180you want at the point of our word in the United States they want partners to be resilient they你想用我们在美国的话来说 他们希望伙伴们有弹性
181want partners to be you know they're fighting for their for their own piece and for their workers想要搭档,你知道他们为了自己的作品和工人而斗争
182and I like it because we're all doing that but we all need to do a bit more and at the end I我喜欢它,因为我们都在这样做 但我们都需要多做一点,最后我
183would say when you're Canada you know we have free trade with all the G7 colleagues so I think we're你会说,当你是加拿大 你知道我们有自由贸易 与所有七国集团同事 所以我认为我们是
184in a unique position to work in a very concrete way to build the resilience in the system that具有独特地位,能够以非常具体的方式开展工作,在系统内建立复原能力,
185I think going back to the worker the point of our word we're all going to be benefit if we're more我想回到工人的观点 我们的言词,我们都将会受益 如果我们更
186resilient if we're more coordinated than what we're doing and realizing that each ally and如果我们比我们做的更协调 并意识到每个盟友和
187partner can bring something to the table and that's what we're trying to build if you're looking at搭档可以带东西到桌子上 这就是我们在努力建造的 如果你看
188the next quarter you that's really the the wake-up call I think that we all receive and that we need下个季度,你才是真正的唤醒者 我认为我们都收到,我们需要
189to act upon can I turn to our representatives from the private sector Brian ahead of time we我能否提前找来自私营部门的代表 布莱恩
190were talking about how from your point of view you think it's critical for countries to think在谈论如何 从你的观点 你认为这是关键 国家思考
191about attracting foreign business you were giving me a very interesting analysis of the way in which关于吸引外商 你给了我一个非常有趣的分析
192you thought that countries like Canada or the UK might be well advised to to play this game of你认为像加拿大或英国这样的国家 最好能玩这个游戏
193attracting foreign capital we've heard the policy side and then Janet I'd love to turn to you to get吸引外国资本 我们已经听到政策方面,然后珍妮特... ...我想转告你
194global perspective on this so I think one thing Howard didn't mention also is the US final demand从全球角度来说,所以我想霍华德没有提到的事情 就是美国的最终要求
195is huge and so the success of a country a company coming to the US and doing something is there's国家的成功 公司来到美国做一些事情
196going to be a big final demand met and the US consumer in the first couple weeks of January1月头几周美国消费者 最终需求将会大增
197spent at seven percent more than they spent last January we've raised our estimates for US economy花了比去年一月多七个百分点 我们提高了对美国经济的估计
198from 2.6% GDP to 2.8 we're you know we we're bullish and we think that's net Howard so you从2.6%的GDP到2.8,我们是你知道的,我们斗牛, 我们认为这是净霍华德,所以你
199but the five or six percent grows frankly which is a lot of activity so we're bullish on that but但百分之五或百分之六的成长 坦率地说,这是很多的活动 所以,我们欺负了这一点。
200what I was saying earlier is is that the tricky thing to figure out and I've had discussions with我之前说的是 事情很棘手 我曾经讨论过
201Rachel and her colleagues over the years is how you're the best place if you're if you're England瑞秋和她的同僚们 这些年来 你是最好的地方 如果你是英国
202and she and she pointed out the financial services is a major industry for them you have to think她和她指出, 金融服务是他们的主要行业 你不得不思考
203about how you're the best place for firms like ours to operate who are not running retail banks关于你是如何是最好的地方 像我们公司经营 谁不经营零售银行
204and not running so that they can go to the whole world out of that and so we have New York we have而不是奔跑,让他们可以去 整个世界了,所以我们有纽约,我们有
205and then how do we go to the whole world and the trick for a government is to figure out I然后我们如何去 整个世界 和一个政府的诡计 是找出我
206got to protect my people I got to protect my tax base but I don't need to do is get myself so我得保护我的人 我必须保护我的税基 但我不需要这样
207involved to where I start to become more and more difficult so if you take the environmental rules进入我开始变得越来越困难的地方 如果你遵守环境规则
208that have been beaten beaten that for the last five or six years I've had some interesting曾经被打过,在过去的五六年里 我有一些有趣的
209meetings here where we keep telling these aren't going to work these aren't going to work in the在这里开会,我们一直说 这些是行不通的 这些是行不通的
210EU CRDD and all this stuff it was our point was not you just make it unable to work and even theCRDD和这些东西都是我们的重心 不只是你让它无法工作,甚至不能工作
211rules in Basel 3 which sound like we're codified the word the application of them created巴塞尔3的规则,听起来像我们 编译了这个词 应用他们创造
212misery across the world and so the idea I think that when a country thinks about it all the what全世界都充满了苦难 所以我想当一个国家想到这一切
213your colleagues what our colleagues said here about protecting it but how do you have the balance你的同事,我们的同事在这里说保护它, 但你如何有平衡
214between being the best place for multinationals to come do business in our country at the same成为跨国公司来我国做生意的最好地点
215time protecting our citizens a thing and it's not by saying all the rules apply to the to the UK时间保护我们的公民是一件事情 并不是说所有规则都适用于英国
216multinational that apply to the US multinational you got to sit there and say how do I tell of this多国公司,适用于美国多国公司 你必须坐在那里 并说,我如何告诉这一点
217thing to make it work which is a bit what Howard's saying they're going to bring fabs here they're霍华说他们会带法布斯来
218not we're not saying you have to become a US company do it they're they're building you know我们不是说你们要成为一家美国公司 他们正在建造
219this major fab if you talk about one up in Syracuse and etc it's a it's a foreign company but如果你在锡拉丘兹州谈一个问题,那就是个外国公司。
220they've got to put it here so if the whatever hit the fan you could cut it off and still own the他们必须把它放在这里 所以如果打到风扇 你就可以切断它 并且仍然拥有它
221means of production that that's because of that thing there's other things you don't have to be生产工具,那是因为那东西 还有其他你不必做的东西
222so ardent about for lack of a better term so how does a country balance that sovereignty with that如此热衷于缺乏更好的术语 所以一个国家如何平衡 主权与它
223data is becoming a real problem you know people want to say if the data is in my country it's okay数据正成为一个真正的问题,你知道 人们想说,如果数据是在我国,没关系。
224and you're saying you know what that just means you've taken all this worldwide system which you你是说你知道那意味着什么 你拿走了这些世界范围的系统
225want us to give you all these reports information you start slicing it pieces there's no value to想要我们给你所有这些报告 你开始切片 没有任何价值
226the customer in that there's no value to your citizens your companies in that you think there's客户在其中没有价值 你的公民 你的公司,你认为有
227incremental value but let us explain what do you really want we can get it to you if you need it递增值,但让我们来解释你真正想要的是什么 如果你需要的话,我们可以得到它
228if you make us run separate systems you've added cost to your people because by the way如果你让我们运行不同的系统 你增加了你的人的成本 因为顺便说一句
229the rest of people are just run a common system so it's data it's information employee practices其他人只是运行一个共同系统 所以它是数据 它是信息员工的做法
230and all those things and how do you become the best and how you think about that while protecting和所有这些东西, 你怎么成为最好的 和如何思考,同时保护
231your citizens from big bad banks or protecting your citizens from taxpayer degradation things保护公民免受纳税人的伤害
232like that that's truly fascinating Janet do you want to give us your first i'll just start with珍妮特真迷人 你想给我们第一个吗?
233we're a global organization 400 000 people we operate in about 150 countries and territories我们是一个全球组织,40万人 我们在大约150个国家和地区运作
234and so you know globalization for us has been there for a long time and you know you have to所以,你知道全球化 对我们来说 已经存在了很长时间 你知道你必须
235work you know with how do you deal with local rules and regulations it's no different than你的工作,你知道如何处理 地方的规则和条例 它没有区别于
236the financial services industry politics economies demographics all different and you've got to decide金融服务业政治 经济人口统计都不同 你必须决定
237you know what do you need to do to operate locally and then continue to be a well-connected global你知道你需要做什么 本地操作 然后继续是一个紧密连接的全球
238organization and i think that's where companies you know need more help than ever before and so我想这就是你认识的公司 比以往更需要帮助的地方
239globalization is not going away it's just becoming more complex so we look at the landscape and you全球化不会消失的,它只是越来越复杂 所以我们看看地貌,你
240know the the geo strategy of companies has been elevated like you know we've never seen before in你知道公司的地理策略已经提升 就像我们以前从未见过一样
241the last two years to be a board level conversation 94 percent of our you know ceos that that we在过去两年里,我们94%的人 都知道我们
242survey are really investing significant money you know to to really games you know and scenario plan调查真的投入了大量的钱 你知道真正的游戏 你知道和情景计划
243you know not one or two but six or seven different scenarios because of the complexities that we're你不了解一两个 但六七个不同的情景 因为我们的复杂性
244talking about here today and resiliency you talked about i mean that's what's so important今天在这里谈论 和韧性,你说 我的意思是,这就是什么 如此重要
245for these organizations and it just being here last year you know where there was you know对这些组织来说,它只是在这里 去年你知道在哪里,你知道
246uncertainty you know compared to this year i think last year we saw a lot of companies kind of wait和今年相比,你还不确定 去年我们看到很多公司在等待
247and see and you know let we'll take some time to see you know how we pivot i think now you know our你看,你知道,让我们 花一些时间看 你知道我们如何支点
248most sophisticated clients they can't wait so they're going to have to make some bets they're他们等不及了 所以他们得下一些赌注
249going to have to make some investments some will work out some won't but you know that paralysis is得做一些投资 有些会解决 有些不会,但你知道 瘫痪是
250no longer an option and they're going to have to move forward can i double down on that and ask不能再有选择了,他们要向前走 我可以加倍地问
251both both of you from the private sector whether you are seeing already just expanding on the point你们两个都是私营部门的人 你们是否已经看到
252you've just made where is this tipping point coming like when is the private sector globally你刚刚说到这个临界点 什么时候全球私营部门才到来
253or in the u.s where are you seeing the flow shift because i'm you know i'm a policy wonk kind of或者在U.s,你在哪里看到流转 因为我知道我是一个政策wink 那种
254person i'm always talking up the story the politicians have a stake in also in some sense我总是在谈论这个故事 政客们也有利害关系
255talking up the story because you need programs the visions of the trump administration are说出故事 因为你需要节目 统治者的愿景是
256astonishingly bold and then what i'm always kind of with my economist hat on i'm wondering is this令人惊讶的大胆,然后我总是 那种与我的经济学家帽子 我好奇的是这个
257really happening like is the shift in the flow really happening just think about the ability to真正的发生就像流动的转变 真正发生的只是思考 能力
258deal done the ability to get a transaction done the honest advice in say 2024 or something like交易完成了交易的能力 做了诚实的建议 在2024年左右
259that would have been to somebody offering up a five billion dollars plus acquisition think twice如果有人愿意出50亿美元 再加上收购 就会有两次想法
260because this may never get approved and what are you going to do to your company while you wait因为这可能永远得不到批准 你等待的时候要对公司做什么
261okay that's completely changed so the year last year 25 was the second highest investment banking25年是第二高的投资银行
262year of deals getting done absent the pandemic recovery year where every debt financing went没有每笔债务的恢复年份
263crazy so and next year we think it's bigger that means that you're unleashing the competitive疯狂的,所以明年,我们觉得它更大 这意味着你释放的竞争者
264forces of acquisitions and all the deployments and investments so the capital markets are open采购部队以及所有部署和投资,使资本市场开放
265the financing's there and so i think if we can keep enough certainty to your point about that资金已经到位了,所以我想,如果我们能 保持足够的确定性,你的观点
266it just keep the rules clear enough well these colleagues have to wrestle national security is只要把规则保持足够清楚 这些同事必须和国家安全斗争
267not unless you're in the business providing ask is not something we all depend on but not something除非你在提供问询 并不是我们所依赖的
268we're going to add a lot of value to but on the other hand it creates economic activity we have我们会增加很多价值 但另一方面,它创造了我们的经济活动
269to help finance okay and but the world's ready to go in a lot of ways and so deals can get done and帮助融资,但世界已经准备好 在许多方式,所以交易可以做,
270things like that and what i encourage people is to is to move on the permitting side move on the我所鼓励的就是 在允许的一方移动
271side move on the deregulation side there's there's a lot of a lot of fuel going in the tank right now在放松管制方面 有很多燃料在油箱里
272on deregulation stuff that's still barely coming in the system in across the uk here and other放松管制的东西, 仍然几乎没有进入系统 在整个湖这里和其他
273places so you know i'll read you were saying de-emphasize the headline tariff wars thing这样你就知道,我会读你 说去强调头条关税战争的事情
274focus on the nuts and bolts the non-tariff barriers the things which enable stuff to get done专注于坚果和螺栓 非关税壁垒的东西 使事情得到完成
275this these these rules which you know they're straightening out hopefully on environmental这些规则,你知道 它们正在澄清 希望关于环境
276disclosure required you to do things like and we're just saying there's i ssb the complicit披露要求你做类似的事情 我们只是说,有我sb同谋
277standards we're happy to agree with those and those are developed with business the firms the我们乐于同意那些标准 那些是和企业一起制定的
278major firms developing so business can do this but if you do a lot more than this because you like发展如此发达的大企业可以做到这一点,但如果你做的比这多很多 因为你喜欢
279x or y you are just adding barriers to us being able to operate with the facility to help yourX或Y,你只是增加了障碍 我们能够运行 与设施帮助你
280people get financing and access to capital jan this corresponds to your experience absolutely i人们获得资金和资金,这符合你的经验
281you look at again financial services regulation regulation of our profession you know we've got你再看看我们行业的金融服务监管,你知道的
282different standards for different companies listing different places you know that's not helpful不同公司的不同标准 上市不同的地方,你知道 这是没有帮助的
283right you know we've got to get alignment and better consensus again to bring you know more好吧,你知道,我们必须得到 调整和更好的共识 再次使你知道更多
284businesses to market and and the like you want to come back well i would say it's not a time to商业市场 和类似你想回来 好,我会说它不是一个时间
285wait it's a time to double down i mean listen what we need we were talking just a minute to等等,是时候加倍了,我的意思是听 我们需要的,我们说话只是一分钟
286critical minerals what we need is speed and scale this is not a time it's it's but you know what has我们需要的是速度和规模 这已经不是时间了 但你知道有什么
287happened in the world i think is is is forced us as government to be more efficient i mean a lot在世界上发生的事情 我认为是强迫我们作为政府 要更有效率,我的意思是很多
288of what we were saying is how we bring efficiency in our own system you know for us we put a major我们所说的是,我们如何在自己的系统中 带来效率 你知道,我们有一个主要的
289project office reducing the time of permitting matching the offer and demand looking at long项目办公室缩短了允许将报价和需求相匹配的时间
290term off take with the number of private sector i think there's a big role in the united states学期的假说 加上民营部门的数量 我觉得在美国有大角色
291has been leading in many ways in trying to to to to show us in the way the interaction that you can在许多方面一直试图以你能够以的方式向我们展示互动
292and honestly when you know there's things that you see in the public but you'd be surprised老实说 当你知道你在公众中看到一些事 但你会惊讶
293that the amount of discussion and you know the background where we're trying to think to achieve讨论的数量 你知道我们想达到的目的的背景
294because if you look at the real challenges in the world today and the advancement of technology因为如果你看看 当今世界的真正挑战 和技术进步
295quantum and ai altogether cyber the i come back to critical minerals because it's essential you量子和Ai完全网络化 我回到关键矿物质 因为关键是你
296know the microchip everything we need i i would say what has happened has made us also more你知道微芯片,我们需要的一切。 我想说,发生了什么事 也让我们更多的
297efficient i look i can speak for canada we have done things in the recent past that you know we're我看起来可以代表Canada说话 我们最近做过一些事情
298long-standing that we needed to do and rachel have we've been sharing and our word has been长久以来,我们需要做和Rachel 我们一直在分享,我们的承诺是
299obviously a lot as well in the united states so i would say from our side it has made us more很明显,在美国也有很多, 所以我会说,从我们这边,它使我们变得更好
300efficient because i don't think that you'll see change is is obviously part of history but i因为我不认为你会看到变化 显然是历史的一部分 但我
301don't think the speed and scope and scale of change will will relax i think you will see that别以为变化的速度 范围和规模会放松 我想你会明白
302quite some time so better adapt to that be efficient and and like you said these相当长一段时间,这样更好适应 效率,就像你说的
303investments that are waiting i think we've passed the time of waiting now it's the time to act to现在是时候采取行动了
304make sure we can you know meet meet the moment i'd love to go out to the audience for some确保我们能知道见面的时刻 我想出去观众一些
305questions the face of these panels is that we have we have too little time too many great speakers这些小组的面目是,我们的时间太少了,发言者太多。
306but i'd really like to open it up i see three hands here i'll start here with peter goodman i但我很想打开它 我看到三只手 我从这里开始
307wondering where the safeguarding of credibility in the institutions of american governance想知道美国治理机构的信誉保障在哪里
308fits into your vision for america first and and specifically where do you stand on the importance符合你对美国的看法 首先,具体地说,你对重要性的立场
309of independent independence and what are we to make it a fact that we've actually seen manufacturing独立独立,什么是我们要 使它成为事实,我们已经看到制造业
310jobs decline over the last year i'm going to collect a few so i'm going to go i think there去年工作减少,我会收集一些 所以我要去,我想在那里
311was a let's see another gentleman here and then i'll go to that we'll try and do two rounds本来是来见另一个绅士的 然后我就去试两轮
312so thank you um i was going to ask about central bank central bank independence for not所以,谢谢你,嗯,我正要问 关于中央银行 中央银行的独立性,因为没有
313thank you um i was going to ask about central bank central bank independence for not谢谢你,嗯,我正要问 关于中央银行 中央银行的独立,因为没有
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