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0:00Secretary of State and Acting White House National Security Advisor Marco Rubio now国务卿兼代理白宫国家安全顾问 马可·鲁比奥
0:05joins us.加入我们
0:06Mr. Secretary, I know it has been an intense few hours, but so far it does not appear that部长先生,我知道这几个小时很紧张 但到目前为止似乎没有
0:13Iran has yet retaliated against the United States.伊朗至今仍对美国进行报复.
0:17What intelligence do you have at this point about their capabilities to respond, the intent你现在有什么情报 关于他们的反应能力,意图
0:24of their proxies?他们的代理人?
0:26Is there any kind of command and control structure left to activate them?是否有任何类型的指挥和控制结构可以启动它们?
0:32Yeah, well, we'll see what Iran decides to do.是啊,我们看看伊朗会怎么做
0:34I think they should choose the route of peace.我认为他们应该选择和平的道路。
0:36We have been, we've done everything, we have been over backwards, okay, to create a deal我们已经,我们已经做了一切, 我们已经倒退,好吗,达成一个协议
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1Secretary of State and Acting White House National Security Advisor Marco Rubio now国务卿兼代理白宫国家安全顾问 马可·鲁比奥
2joins us.加入我们
3Mr. Secretary, I know it has been an intense few hours, but so far it does not appear that部长先生,我知道这几个小时很紧张 但到目前为止似乎没有
4Iran has yet retaliated against the United States.伊朗至今仍对美国进行报复.
5What intelligence do you have at this point about their capabilities to respond, the intent你现在有什么情报 关于他们的反应能力,意图
6of their proxies?他们的代理人?
7Is there any kind of command and control structure left to activate them?是否有任何类型的指挥和控制结构可以启动它们?
8Yeah, well, we'll see what Iran decides to do.是啊,我们看看伊朗会怎么做
9I think they should choose the route of peace.我认为他们应该选择和平的道路。
10We have been, we've done everything, we have been over backwards, okay, to create a deal我们已经,我们已经做了一切, 我们已经倒退,好吗,达成一个协议
11with these people.与这些人。
12Steve Woodcoff has traveled the world extensively, met with them, well, not even met with them,史蒂夫·伍德科夫环游世界 与他们相遇 甚至没有与他们相遇
13met through the Omanis with them and discussed back and forth.通过阿曼人与他们会面,并前后讨论。
14We even put an offer to them that they wanted elements of it in writing, and we offered我们甚至给了他们一个提议 他们想要它的内容书面, 我们提出
15it to them.给他们的
16Very generous offer, by the way.顺便说一句,非常慷慨的提议。
17We've done it, and we're prepared right now.我们做了,我们准备好了。
18If they call right now and say, we want to meet, let's talk about this, we're prepared如果他们现在打电话说,我们想见面,我们谈谈,我们准备好了
19to do that.这样做。
20The president's made that clear from the very beginning.总统从一开始就说清楚了
21His preference is to deal with this issue diplomatically.他倾向于以外交方式处理这一问题。
22But he also told them, we had 60 days to make progress or something else was going to happen.但他也告诉他们,我们还有60天的时间要取得进展,否则其他事情就会发生。
23And I think they thought they were dealing with a different kind of leader, like the我认为他们认为他们正在对付 另一种领袖,像
24kinds of leaders they've been playing games with for the last 30 or 40 years, and they过去30年或40年里 他们一直在玩游戏
25found out that's not the case.发现情况并非如此。
26So this mission was a very precise mission.所以这个任务是一个非常精确的任务。
27It had three objectives, three nuclear sites.它有三个目标,三个核地点。
28It was not an attack on Iran, it was not an attack on the Iranian people.这不是对伊朗的攻击,也不是对伊朗人民的攻击。
29This wasn't a regime change move.这不是政权更迭的举动。
30This was designed to degrade and or destroy three nuclear sites related to their nuclear这是为了降解或摧毁与核有关的三个核场址。
31weaponization ambitions, and that was delivered on yesterday.武器化野心,这是昨天实现的。
32What happens next will now depend on what Iran chooses to do next.接下来会发生什么,现在将取决于伊朗选择下一步做什么。
33If they choose the path to diplomacy, we're ready.如果他们选择外交之路,我们就准备好了.
34We can do a deal that's good for them, the Iranian people, and good for the world.我们可以做一件对他们,伊朗人民和世界都有利的交易.
35If they choose another route, then there'll be consequences for that.如果他们选择另一条路线,那就会产生后果.
36Let me follow up on a phrase you just worded, weaponization ambitions.让我继续你刚才所说的武器化野心的话。
37Are you saying there that the United States did not see intelligence that the Supreme你是说美国没有看到最高机密
38Leader had ordered weaponization?领导下令武器化?
39That's irrelevant.这无关紧要
40I see that question being asked on the media.我看到媒体上有人问这个问题。
41That's an irrelevant question.这是一个无关紧要的问题。
42They have everything they need to build a weapon.他们拥有制造武器所需的一切
43That is the key point in U.S. intelligence assessments.这是美国情报评估的关键所在。
44You know that.你知道这一点。
45No, it's not.不,这不是。
46Yes, it was.没错
47No, it's not.不,这不是。
48The political decision had not been made.尚未作出政治决定。
49Well, I know that better than you know that, and I know that that's not the case.我比你更清楚 我知道情况并非如此
50But I'm asking you whether the order was given.但我在问你是否下达了命令
51And the people who say that, it doesn't matter if the order was given.且言之人,虽有旨令,亦无妨.
52They have everything they need to build nuclear weapons.他们拥有制造核武器所需的一切。
53Why would you bury, why would you bury things in a mountain 300 feet under the ground?你为什么要埋东西,为什么要埋在地下300英尺的山里?
54Why would you bury, why do they have 60% enriched uranium?你为什么埋藏,为什么他们有60%的浓缩铀?
55You don't need 60% enriched uranium.你不需要60%的浓缩铀
56The only countries in the world that have uranium at 60% are countries that have nuclear世界上只有60%的铀国家是拥有核国家
57weapons because it can quickly make it 90.因为它能快速达到90。
58They have all the elements.他们有全部的元素。
59They have, why are they, why do they have a space program?他们为什么有太空计划?
60Is Iran going to go to the moon?伊朗会去月球吗?
61No, they're trying to build an ICBM so they can one day put a warhead on it.不,他们试图建造一个ICBM 这样他们就可以在它上放置弹头。
62That's a question of intent.这是一个意图的问题。
63And you know in the intelligence assessment that it was that Iran wanted to be a threshold在情报评估中你也知道 伊朗想要成为门槛
64to use this leverage.用这个杠杆。
65I'm talking about the public March assessment.我指的是公开的三月评估.
66And that's why I was asking you if you know something more from March if an order was这就是为什么我问你 如果你知道更多 从三月的事情,如果一个命令是
67Well, that's also an inaccurate representation of it.嗯,这也是一个不准确的表述。
68That's an inaccurate representation of it.这是不准确的表述。
69That's not how intelligence is read.智慧不是这样解读的.
70That's not how intelligence is used.智能不是这么使用的
71Here's what the whole world knows.举世皆知如下.
72Forget about intelligence.忘却智慧.
73What the IAEA knows.原子能机构所知道的。
74They are enriching uranium well beyond anything you need for a civil nuclear program.他们正在浓缩铀 远超出你需要的民用核计划。
75So why would you enrich uranium at 60% if you don't intend to one day use it to take所以,为什么你会浓缩铀 60%,如果你不打算 一天使用它采取
76it to 90 and build a weapon?它到90 并制造武器?
77Why are you developing ICBMs?为什么要发展洲际建立信任措施?
78Why do you have 8,000 short-range missiles and 2,000 to 3,000 long mid-range missiles为什么你有8000枚短程导弹和2000到3000枚长程中程导弹
79that you continue to develop?你继续发展?
80Why do you do all these things?你为什么要做这些事?
81Understood.明白吗?
82They have everything they need for a nuclear weapon.他们拥有核武器所需的一切。
83They have the delivery mechanisms.他们有交付机制。
84They have the enrichment capability.他们有浓缩能力。
85They have the highly enriched uranium that is stored.它们拥有储存的高浓缩铀。
86That's all we need to see, especially in the hands of a regime that's already involved这就是我们需要看到的, 特别是在一个已经介入的政权手中
87in terrorism and proxies and all kinds of things around.在恐怖主义、代理和各种事物中。
88They are the source of all instability in the Middle East.它们是中东所有不稳定的根源。
89No one's disputing that.没有人反对这一点。
90I'm not doing that here.我在这里不这样做。
91And they were censured at the IAEA for that enrichment and for violating their nonproliferation原子能机构谴责他们进行浓缩和违反不扩散
92agreements.协议。
93I was simply asking if we had intelligence that there was an order to weaponize because我只是问我们是否有情报 说有武器化的命令
94you said weaponization ambitions, which implies they weren't doing it.你说了武器化的野心 这意味着他们没有这么做
95Well, we have intelligence that they have everything they need to build a nuclear weapon,我们有情报说 他们拥有制造核武器所需的一切
96and that's more than enough.这已经足够了
97Okay.摆
98I want to ask you on the policy front.我想问你在政策方面。
99There are personnel throughout the Middle East from the United States and Bahrain and中东各地都有来自美国和巴林的人员
100Kuwait and other bases.科威特和其他基地。
101If those countries are attacked by Iran because of their association with the United States,如果这些国家由于与美国的联系而受到伊朗的攻击,
102will the United States defend them?美国会保护他们吗?
103Well, that's exactly why they're there.嗯,这正是为什么他们在那里。
104That's a great point, actually.其实,这是个好主意。
105Do you know why we have bases in Bahrain and Qatar and UAE and all these places?你知道为什么我们在巴林、卡塔尔、阿联酋和所有这些地方都有基地吗?
106All of those bases are there because those countries are afraid that Iran will attack所有这些基地都在那里,因为这些国家害怕伊朗进攻
107them.他们。
108If Iran was not a threat to the region, if the Iranian regime, because I'm talking about如果伊朗不是对该地区的威胁,如果伊朗政权,因为我指的是
109the Iranian people, the regime was not a threat to the region, we wouldn't have to have any伊朗人民,政权不是对该地区的威胁,我们不必有任何
110of these bases.这些基地。
111Those bases are there because those countries are petrified that the Iranian Shia clerics这些基地都在那里,因为那些国家 害怕伊朗什叶派神职人员
112that run that country will attack their countries.这个国家会攻击他们的国家
113Will the United States defend them if they are?美国会保护他们吗?
114As you know, they've got a very difficult history.如你所知,他们的历史非常艰难.
115Well, that's why we're there.嗯,这就是为什么我们在那里。
116That's why we're there.故曰众生.
117But they'll attack us is what they're threatening to do.但是他们会攻击我们 他们威胁要做的事
118So we'll defend our people, obviously.因此,我们显然要保卫我们的人民。
119We'll defend our people.保卫人民.
120Well, they'll attack our bases.他们会攻击我们的基地
121And those are our bases.这些是我们的基地。
122And we're going to defend our personnel.我们要保卫我们的人
123We're prepared to do that.我们准备好了
124But we'll do more than just defend.但我们会做更多 不只是防御。
125We'll impose costs on Iran if they attack American personnel, whether they do it directly如果伊朗攻击美国人员,我们就要付出代价,不管他们直接这样做
126or whether they do it through some of these proxies that they try to hide behind.或者他们是否通过一些 试图隐藏在背后的代理人来这样做
127And that includes the Houthis.包括胡塞河
128So another proxy of theirs.所以他们的另一个代理。
129So let's hope they don't choose that route.所以希望他们不要选择这条路线。
130Let's all hope that they actually decide, okay, let's go negotiate, because we want让我们都希望他们真正决定, 好吧,让我们去谈判,因为我们想要
131a diplomatic and peaceful solution.外交与和平解决。
132We have achieved our objectives.我们实现了我们的目标。
133We're ready to negotiate this in a peaceful, diplomatic way.我们准备以和平,外交的方式谈判此事.
134We've been prepared to do that for days.我们已经准备了好几天了
135They are the ones that played games.他们才是玩游戏的人
136As they have done for 40 years, as they have done to multiple presidents, they tried to正如他们40年来所做的那样,正如他们对多个主席所做的那样,他们试图
137play games with President Trump, and they see what happens.和特朗普总统玩游戏, 他们看到发生了什么。
138This is not a game-playing president.这不是一个玩游戏的总裁。
139When he says he's going to do something, he will do it.当他说要做点什么时,他会做的.
140I hear you saying here you want to de-escalate when you are talking about diplomacy.我听到你在这里说,你想在谈论外交时缓和局势。
141You are looking for Iran to pick up that offer that was put on the table you mentioned by你在找伊朗来接 你提到的桌上的报价
142Steve Wittkopf.史蒂夫·维特科普夫.
143Can you just clarify, does that mean the U.S. would still allow for Iran to have a civilian你能否澄清一下,这是否意味着美国仍然允许伊朗拥有一个平民?
144nuclear program if it does not enrich on its own soil?如果在自己的土地上不丰富核计划?
145But that's never been an issue.但这从来都不是一个问题。
146There's countries all over the world that have a civil nuclear program.世界各国都有民用核计划.
147No one here is saying that Iran can't.这里没有人说伊朗不能。
148Sure, that's always been there.当然,那是一直存在。
149Any country in the world has a right to have a civil nuclear program.世界上任何国家都有权拥有民用核计划。
150What they don't have a right to do is to enrich it at 60%, hide it under a mountain, and develop他们没有权利做的是 百分之六十地丰富它 藏在山下 发展
151long-range and short-range and mid-range missiles, and sponsor terrorist proxies all over the* 远程、短程和中程导弹,并赞助恐怖分子在各地的代理
152world.这个世界
153They don't have a right to do that, and that's what they've been doing, and no one's dealt他们没有权利这样做, 他们一直在做, 没有人处理
154with it.用这个
155And it's continued to linger, and they've played games with multiple presidents and他们和多位总统玩过游戏
156multiple countries around the world, and they've gotten away with it for 40-something years.世界上有多个国家 都逃了40年了
157This is very simple.这很简单。
158The president wants to resolve this diplomatically and peacefully.总统希望以外交方式和平解决此事。
159He gave them a chance to do that.他给了他们这个机会。
160They delayed, they had all these kind of delayed tactics.他们拖延了, 他们有所有这些拖延战术。
161They wouldn't even meet with us directly.他们甚至不会直接和我们见面。
162We had to go through third countries.我们必须经过第三国。
163This is very simple.这很简单。
164Let's meet directly, let's work on agreements that are good for Iran, good for the Iranian让我们直接见面,让我们努力达成对伊朗有利的协议,对伊朗人有利的协议
165people in particular, good for the safety and security of the world and the United States.特别是为了世界和美国的安全
166That's always been our preference.我们一直喜欢这样
167That continues to be our preference.这仍然是我们的优先选择。
168But they're the ones that were playing games with us, and these are the consequences.但正是他们和我们玩游戏 这些才是后果
169We had to achieve those objectives.我们必须实现这些目标。
170We had three objectives yesterday, Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan.我们昨天有三个目标 福尔多 纳坦兹和伊斯法罕
171We conducted a brilliant military operation under the command of President Trump, and我们在特朗普总统的指挥下进行了一次辉煌的军事行动,
172obviously great credit to Secretary Hexseth and General Corilla and General Kaine and显然,赫克斯塞特秘书和科里拉将军以及凯恩将军和
173all of our, all the airmen and the phenomenal people in the U.S. military.我们所有的,所有的飞行员 和令人惊叹的美国军人。
174No other military in the world could have done this.世界上没有其他军队能做到这一点。
175No, it was astounding.不,这是惊人的。
176We've achieved those objectives.我们已经实现了这些目标。
177What happens next is up to the regime.接下来会发生的是政权。
178The regime wants peace.政权希望和平。
179We're ready for peace.我们准备好要和平了
180They want to do something else.他们想做别的事
181They're incredibly vulnerable.他们非常脆弱。
182They can't even protect their own airspace.他们甚至无法保护自己的领空.
183Well, clearly, clearly they could not.显然,他们不能
184But what is the U.S. assessment of how much nuclear material at those sites was moved但是,美国对这些地点的核材料被移动多少的评估是什么?
185prior to the attack?在攻击之前?
186There has been talk for days about bombing of Fordow.关于轰炸福多的事 已经谈了好几天了
187Well, look, no one will know for sure for days, but I doubt they moved it because you嗯,你看,没有人会肯定 几天,但我怀疑他们移动它 因为你
188really can't move anything right now, and they can't move anything right now inside真的不能移动任何东西 现在,他们不能移动任何东西 现在里面
189of Iran.安全理事会
190I mean, the minute a truck starts driving somewhere, the Israelis have seen it and they've我的意思是,一卡车开始开车的地方, 以色列人已经看到了,他们已经
191targeted it and taken it out.瞄准它并把它拿出来。
192So our assessment is we have to assume that that's a lot of 60 percent enriched uranium因此,我们的评估是,我们必须假设 这是大量的60%的浓缩铀
193buried deep under the ground there in Esfahan.埋在伊斯法罕的地下深处。
194And that really is the key.这才是关键
195What they should do with that is they should bring it out of the ground and turn it over.他们应该做的是,他们应该把它带出地面,把它翻过来。
196Multiple countries around the world will take it and down blend it.世界上多个国家将把它和它混合在一起。
197That's what they should do with that.这是他们应该做的。
198And what they should do is say, we're not going to have any enrichment capability in他们应该做的是,我们不会有任何浓缩能力
199our country.我们的国家
200Instead, what we're going to have is a civil nuclear program like dozens of countries相反,我们将有一个民用的核计划 像几十个国家
201around the world have where we build reactors that create electricity and we import enriched全世界都有建造发电反应堆 并进口浓缩的反应堆
202material.物质。
203And we've made very general.我们做了非常将军。
204I'm not going to get all the details of the offers, but there are other avenues here that我不会得到所有的报价的细节, 但还有其他途径在这里,
205would be acceptable to them.他们可以接受
206If that's what they wanted, if what they want is a civil, peaceful nuclear program, the如果这是他们想要的, 如果他们想要的是一个民用的,和平的核计划,
207route has always been there.路线一直存在
208The problem is that everything they're demanding has nothing to do with a peaceful program.问题在于他们要求的一切与和平计划无关.
209They are all the things you would want if you want to retain the option of one day weaponizing如果你想保留一天武器化的选择 这些都是你想要的
210the program, which has been their clear intent.这是他们的明确意图。
211To me, that's indisputable.对我来说,这是无可争辩的。
212I followed this issue for 15 years, including the intelligence on it for 15 years.我跟踪这个问题已经15年了 包括15年的情报
213OK, I followed it and the intelligence.好吧,我跟踪它和情报。
214These are assessments and sometimes they've been wrong.这些是评估,有时是错的.
215I've seen them revised multiple times.我看过很多次了
216These guys want a nuclear weapon one day.这些家伙总有一天想要核武器
217OK, to that point, it isn't going to happen.好吧,到那时,它不会发生。
218Not while Donald Trump is president.唐纳德·特朗普当上总统时不会
219Understood.明白吗?
220You've said this is not about regime change, but you were describing a regime that you你说这与政权更迭无关 但你却在描述一个政权
221have said for decades, I mean, for upwards of 40 years has chanted death to America,数十年来,我一直说, 超过40年 已经向美国高呼死亡,
222hasn't all the things you just described.你刚才描述的不是所有的事情
223Isn't a diplomatic deal with them a lifeline?和他们的外交交易不是生命线吗?
224Aren't you offering to negotiate with the same people you're saying did all these things?你不是说要和你说的那些人谈判吗?
225So therefore, are you actually looking for regime change?因此,你实际上在寻求政权更迭?
226That misses the point.这一点没有重点。
227I don't like that they chant those things, but one thing is that they chant those things.我不喜欢他们高呼那些东西, 但一件事是他们高呼那些东西。
228Another thing is that they chant those things and they have terror proxies all over the另一件事是,他们高喊那些东西 他们有恐怖的代理 遍布各地
229world and they have long range missiles that can reach the United States one day and they他们有长程导弹 可以到达美国一天,他们
230have the potential to be one step away from a nuclear weapon.有可能远离核武器。
231Well, one day could be tomorrow, could be a week from now, could be a month from now.嗯,有一天可能是明天, 可能是一个星期以后, 可能是一个月以后。
232All it takes is the flip of a switch.只需要开关的翻转
233By the way, they're not going to broadcast that to the world.顺便说一句,他们不会向全世界广播的。
234By the time we figure out that they're doing it, you have all the pieces in place.当我们发现他们正在做的时候,你已经把所有东西都准备好。
235It's like you have a loaded gun here and the ammunition.你好像有枪和弹药
236It only takes one second.只需要一秒钟。
237We have other targets that we could hit, but we achieved our objective.我们还有其他目标,我们可以打击,但我们实现了我们的目标。
238The primary targets we were interested in are the ones that were struck tonight in devastating我们所关注的首要目标 就是那些在今晚遭受毁灭性袭击的目标
239fashion, the ones that were struck, I guess, yeah, tonight over there, their time, in devastating时尚,那些 被击中,我想,是的, 今晚在那里,他们的时间, 在毁灭性的
240fashion and we've achieved that objective.时尚和我们已经实现了这个目标。
241There are no planned military operations right now against Iran unless, unless they mess现在没有计划对伊朗采取军事行动 除非他们搞砸了
242around and they attack American or American interests, then they're going to have a problem.他们攻击美国或美国的利益, 然后他们会有一个问题。
243Then they're going to have a problem and I'm not going to broadcast what those problems然后他们就会有麻烦了 我不会播那些问题
244are.对
245Suffice it to say, know this, the United States flew halfway around the world, right into只需说一句 美国飞过半个世界
246the heart of Iran over their most sensitive locations.伊朗的心脏在他们最敏感的地方。
247These things got rocked and then we left and we were out of their airspace.这些东西被震动了 然后我们离开了 我们离开了他们的领空
248We were over the ocean before they figured out what had happened and there are plenty在他们知道发生了什么之前 我们在大海上
249of other targets.其他目标。
250We don't want to do that.我们不想这样做。
251That's not our preference.这不是我们喜欢的
252We want peace deals with them and that's up to them to decide.我们要和他们谈和 这得由他们决定
253You said defend American interests with the United States military.你说与美国军方一起捍卫美国的利益
254Take action to keep, for example, the transit point, the Strait of Hormuz open.例如,采取行动保持过境点霍尔木兹海峡的开放。
255If there are attacks on oil installations with the United States, consider that a direct如果与美国发生攻击石油设施的事件,则认为是直接的。
256act by the state, even if it was carried out by a militia.国家的行为,即使是由民兵实施的。
257Well, I'm not going to take options away from the president.我不会从总统那里夺走选择权的
258That's not something we're talking about right now in terms of being immediate.我们现在谈论的不是眼前的事。
259But if they do that, the first people that should be angry about it are the Chinese government但是,如果他们这样做, 第一个应该对此感到愤怒的人是中国政府
260because they take a lot of their oil comes through there.因为他们消耗了大量的石油从那里经过。
261So they should be the first ones that are saying if they mine the Straits of Hormuz,所以他们应该是第一个说 如果他们开采霍尔木兹海峡,
262the Chinese are going to pay a huge price and every other country in the world is going中国人会付出巨大的代价 世界上所有的国家都会去
263to pay a huge price.要付出巨大的代价。
264We will too.我们也一样。
265It'll have some impact on us.这会对我们产生一些影响。
266It'll have a lot more impact on the rest of the world, a lot more impact on the rest of这会对世界产生更大的影响,对世界产生更大的影响
267the world.这个世界。
268There would be a suicidal move on their part because I think the whole world would come因为全世界都会来
269against them if they did that.如果他们这样做了,就对他们不利。
270Will the Chinese and Russians stop trading with Iran?中俄两国能否停止与伊朗贸易?.
271You have to ask the Chinese and the Russians.须问中俄.
272You haven't asked them?你没问他们吗?
273Probably not.也许不是。
274Well, the Russians are getting a bunch of these drones that they're using are coming好吧,俄罗斯人得到了 一堆这些无人机 他们使用
275from Iran.来自伊朗。
276Exactly.没错
277They're coming from Iran.他们来自伊朗。
278So I saw the foreign minister instead of meeting with Steve Woodcoff is headed to Moscow to所以我看到外交部长没有和史蒂夫·伍德考夫见面 而是要去莫斯科
279meet with Putin, which was a pre-scheduled meeting, which is fine.与普京会面是事先排定的会议,
280They can go meet and the Russians at the end of the day, I mean, they buy drones from them.他们可以去见面 俄军在最后一天, 我的意思是,他们从他们购买无人机。
281But look, this is very simple.听着,这很简单。
282We want to have an agreement with them, a diplomatic agreement in which they have a我们希望与他们达成协议,一项外交协议,其中他们有一项
283civil nuclear program but are not enriching and don't have weapons-grade material or weapons-grade民用核计划,但不丰富,没有武器级材料或武器级材料
284{\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}你的能力就在这里
285That's that simple.就这么简单
286That's our interest here.这是我们在这里的兴趣。
287Understood.明白吗?
288Who they trade with, who they deal with.他们与谁交易, 他们处理谁。
289Those are other topics.这些都是其他议题。
290Our objective here is very straightforward.我们的目标很简单。
291They're not going to have a nuclear weapon.他们不会有核武器的
292They're not even going to get close to a nuclear weapon.他们甚至不会接近核武器。
293They're not even going to be in the neighborhood of a nuclear weapon because these people are他们甚至不会在核武器的附近 因为这些人
294dangerous.危险
295This is a radical Shia clerics who run that country and they are the source of all instability这是一个激进的什叶派神职人员 他们管理着这个国家 他们是一切不稳定的根源
296in the region.在区域。
297All of it.所有一切众生.
298Without Iran and this regime, there is no Hamas.没有伊朗和这个政权,就没有哈马斯。
299There is no Hezbollah.没有真主党。
300Well, because we don't want them to have a nuclear weapon, but that's the core objective.因为我们不希望他们拥有核武器 但这是核心目标
301No, no, but I'm going through the things they've done because that's why they can't have a不,不,但我正在经历 他们所做的事情,因为 这就是为什么他们不能有一个
302nuclear weapon.核武器问题。
303They sponsor the Shia militias, Hamas, Hezbollah, all these other terrorist groups.他们赞助什叶派民兵,哈马斯,真主党,所有这些其它恐怖集团.
304These people are never going to get anywhere close to a nuclear weapon, not while Donald这些人永远不会接近核武器 唐纳德不会
305Trump is president.特朗普是总统.
306For the Americans at home who are going, are we at war?对于美国人在家谁去, 我们在打仗吗?
307I'm trying to suss out some of the facts here.我试图找出一些事实。
308Why would Iran agree to any peace deal if the United States has already pulled out of如果美国已经退出,伊朗为什么同意任何和平协议?
309they had, as President Trump did in 2018, and now launched two surprise attacks, both正如特朗普总统在2018年所做的那样,他们发动了两次突然袭击,
310Israel and the United States have done so?以色列和美国已经这样做了?
311There is such a massive trust deficit there.那里存在着如此巨大的信任赤字。
312How could you possibly come to it?你怎么会来?
313Yeah, but the trust deficit started with Iran.是的,但信任赤字始于伊朗。
314I know.我知道,我记得
315Well, the trust deficit, the ones that shouldn't be trusted are the Iranians because they're信任不足 不该信任的就是伊朗人 因为他们
316the ones that sponsor terrorism.那些支持恐怖主义的人。
317Did they forewarn us before they blew up the embassy in Lebanon and killed over 200 American在他们炸毁黎巴嫩大使馆 杀死200多名美国人之前 他们有没有事先通知我们
318servicemen?军人?
319Did they forewarn us before they built IEDs and blew the legs and arms off of American他们在制造简易爆炸装置之前有没有警告过我们 炸掉了美国的腿和手臂
320servicemen in Iraq?在伊拉克的军人?
321I mean, these are the people that are doing this forever.我是说,这些人是永远这样做的人。
322They're the ones that no one should trust.他们就是没人会信任的人
323They're the ones that have lied about their nuclear program.是他们谎称他们的核计划
324They're the ones that have hidden things from the international organisms.他们是那些 隐藏的东西 从国际生物。
325But that sounds like we're headed towards regime change or the desire to get these people但听起来我们正走向政权更迭 或想要这些人
326out of power.脱权.
327No, no, no, no.释曰.
328Are you?是吗?
329No, a serious foreign policy is one that's focused on identifying what our national interest不,一个严肃的外交政策是 专注于确定我们的国家利益
330is.没错
331You don't have to like the regime.你不必喜欢这个政权
332There are a lot of regimes around the world that we don't like, okay?世界上有很多政权 我们不喜欢,好吗?
333But in this particular case, what we are focused on is not the changing of the regime.但是,就这一具体情况而言,我们所关注的不是政权的改变。
334Okay, that's up to the Iranian people if they want to do that, but that's not what we're好吧,这取决于伊朗人民 如果他们想这样做, 但这不是我们是什么
335focused on.专注于。
336Our national interest is about one thing, and that is Iran not getting anywhere near我们的国家利益只涉及一件事,那就是伊朗没有取得任何进展
337the capability to weaponize and have nuclear weapons.拥有武器化和核武器的能力。
338They're not going to get anywhere near that capability.他们不会接近那个能力
339The president has made that clear from day one.总统从第一天开始就说清楚了
340Our preference for solving that problem, that very specific problem, is through diplomacy.我们倾向于通过外交来解决这个非常特殊的问题。
341We've said that.我们已经说过了
342We've given it every opportunity.我们给了它每一个机会。
343They played games.他们玩游戏。
344They tried delay tactics.他们尝试了拖延战术。
345They're trying to delay tactics now on the Europeans because of the snapback provisions.他们正试图推迟对欧洲人的战术 因为快速回击条款。
346And you talk about the JCPOA, that was a crazy deal.你谈论JCPOA, 这是一个疯狂的交易。
347When did the president make this decision?总统什么时候决定的?
348Because he said he was giving two more weeks of diplomacy on Friday, and on Friday, these因为他说他在周五再做两个星期的外交工作 在周五
349jets took off.飞机起飞了
350Well, the president retains the opportunity to pull out of this at any moment, including总统保留了随时退出的机会
35110 minutes before.十分钟前
352But the president ordered options.但总统下令选择
353Look, the decision, in my view, was made when he wrote a letter to the Supreme Leader and在我看来,决定是在他给最高领袖写信时作出的
354he said over the next 60 days, we want to do a deal with you and solve this problem他说在接下来的60天里 我们想和你做个交易 解决这个问题
355of nuclear weaponization.核武器武器化。
356We want to do it peacefully.我们希望和平地做到这一点。
357If after 60 days, we don't see progress or it isn't solved, we have other alternatives.如果在60天之后,我们没有看到进步,或者它还没有解决,我们还有其他选择.
358He made that very clear.他说得很清楚
359I think what some people are struggling with here is that we today have a president who我认为有些人在这里挣扎的是 我们今天有一个总统
360does what he says he's gonna do.照他说的做
361And that's what happened here.这就是这里发生的事情。
362And hopefully the Iranian regime got that message.但愿伊朗政权得到这个信息。
363We're gonna hit a commercial break, so I have to wrap you there.我们要去一个商业休息, 所以我必须包你在那里。
364Thank you very much for your time.非常感谢你的时间。
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