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0:00Joining me now just back from that trip to the Middle East is Treasury Secretary Scott Besson who has a lot on his plate刚刚从中东之行回来的 是财政部长斯科特·贝松 他有很多事要做
0:06It's so good to have you here Jake.很高兴你在这里,杰克。
0:08Good morning.早上好,你好吗?
0:08Good to see you很高兴见到你
0:09So let's just talk about Moody's downgrading America's triple a credit citing out-of-control debt所以,让我们只是谈谈穆迪 降级美国三倍 信贷引用失控债务
0:15Citing growing interest payments on that debt以该债务的利息支付不断增加为理由
0:18How concerned are you that this is going to drive interest rates in the US even higher and maybe even drive?你有多担心这能推动美国利率的提高 甚至甚至驱动?
0:24Investment in the US away.投资美国。
0:25Well Jake first of all that the history of rating agencies by the time they get to a downgradeJake首先说到 评级机构在降级前的历史
0:30Everything's already in the market Larry Summers, and I don't agree on everything but in一切都在市场上了 Larry Summers 我不同意一切
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1Joining me now just back from that trip to the Middle East is Treasury Secretary Scott Besson who has a lot on his plate刚刚从中东之行回来的 是财政部长斯科特·贝松 他有很多事要做
2It's so good to have you here Jake.很高兴你在这里,杰克。
3Good morning.早上好,你好吗?
4Good to see you很高兴见到你
5So let's just talk about Moody's downgrading America's triple a credit citing out-of-control debt所以,让我们只是谈谈穆迪 降级美国三倍 信贷引用失控债务
6Citing growing interest payments on that debt以该债务的利息支付不断增加为理由
7How concerned are you that this is going to drive interest rates in the US even higher and maybe even drive?你有多担心这能推动美国利率的提高 甚至甚至驱动?
8Investment in the US away.投资美国。
9Well Jake first of all that the history of rating agencies by the time they get to a downgradeJake首先说到 评级机构在降级前的历史
10Everything's already in the market Larry Summers, and I don't agree on everything but in一切都在市场上了 Larry Summers 我不同意一切
112011 the last time or two times ago when he had to downgrade, you know, he put he poo pooed it2011年,最后一次或两次前 当他不得不降级, 你知道,他放他便便了它
12you know what what I think is important is that President Trump has just come back from this historic Middle East trip and你知道我认为重要的是 川普总统刚刚从历史性的中东之行回来
13There's trillions of dollars coming into the u.s.万亿元入乌.
14So we are seeing confidence from investors我们从投资者那里看到信心
15So I I don't put much credence in the Moody's let's turn to trade because that's obviously where there's been a lot of focus所以我不怎么相信穆迪,我们开始交易吧 因为那显然有很多焦点
16President Trump just put 150 countries on notice that their tariffs are about to go higher in the next few weeks if they don't reach特朗普总统刚刚通知150个国家,如果达不到关税标准,其关税将在接下来的几周内提高。
17A trade deal with the u.s. How exactly will you decide what those new tariff rates will be will they be?和你们做交易 你将如何决定这些新的关税将是什么?
18What was previously announced on April 2nd so-called Liberation Day and when will they actually go into effect?之前在4月2日所谓的解放日宣布什么,什么时候真正生效?
19So Jake, we have a 90-day pause.Jake 我们暂停90天
20There are 18 important trading partners probably another 20还有18个重要贸易伙伴 可能还有20个
21strong relationships牢固的关系
22President Trump has put them on notice that if you do not negotiate in good faith that you will ratchet back up to your April川普总统提醒他们,如果你不诚意谈判, 你将回到4月。
23second level二级
24So the 90-day pause isn't just China's everybody所以90天的暂停不仅仅是中国的每个人
25Know that the night the 90-day pause was put on about a week the after April90天的暂停时间是4月后一周左右
26Oh that first 90-day first 90-day pause哦,第一个90天 第一次90天 暂停
27Yeah, and I can tell you that with a few exceptions是啊,我可以告诉你,除了一些例外
28The countries are coming with very good proposals for us and I look at these proposals and you know各国向我们提出了非常好的建议,我看看这些建议,你知道
29They want to lower their tariffs.他们想降低关税。
30They want to lower their non tariff barriers他们想降低他们的非关税壁垒
31Some of them have been manipulating their currency有些人一直在操纵他们的货币
32They've been subsidizing industry and labor and I look at these proposals and I think他们一直补贴工业和劳工 我看着这些提案,我想
33The these are excellent proposals, but I wonder how did we get here?这些都是很好的建议,但我不知道我们是如何来到这里的?
34How did the previous administrations allow this to happen to the American people?前几届政府是如何允许美国人民发生这种情况的?
35So 150 countries have been put on notice.因此,150个国家已接到通知。
36How many deals do you think you're going to be able to announce and how quickly?你觉得你能宣布多少个交易 以及多快?
37Well, again, it will depend on whether they're negotiating in in good faith再说一遍,这要看他们是否真心诚意地谈判
38There are a lot of smaller trading有很多较小的交易
39Relationships that we can just come up with a number my other sense is that关系我们可以想出一个数字 我的另一个感觉是
40We will do a lot of regional deals.我们将做许多区域交易。
41This is the rate for这是费率
42Central America, this is the rate for this part of Africa中美洲,这是非洲的这个地区
43But what we are focused on right now are the 18 important trading relationships Walmart announced this week但我们现在所关注的 是18个重要的贸易关系 沃尔玛本周宣布
44It's going to have to raise prices on some goods and they blame Trump's tariffs, particularly the tariffs on China还要提高一些商品的价格 他们责怪特朗普的关税 尤其是中国的关税
45Here's the CEO take a listen总裁听好了
46We will do our best to keep our prices as low as possible我们将尽我们的最大努力 保持我们的价格尽可能低
47But given the magnitude of the tariffs even at the reduced levels announced this week但是,考虑到关税的幅度 即使是降低的水平 本周宣布
48We aren't able to absorb all the pressure given the reality of narrow retail margins我们无法承受所有的压力 因为零售额太小
49We're positioned to manage the cost pressure from tariffs as well or better than anyone我们有能力管理关税带来的成本压力 比任何人都好
50But even at the reduced levels the higher tariffs will result in higher prices但即使降低关税 也会提高价格
51So President Trump所以特朗普总统
52Went on truth social and says Walmart should eat the tariffs in other words说沃尔玛应该吃关税,换句话说
53dot pass on the prices to consumers点将价格传递给消费者
54doesn't that对不对
55inherently see serve as an acknowledgement that tariffs are从本质上看,关税是承认
56essentially a tax on consumers because主要是对消费者征税,因为
57Initially President Trump said well other kind, you know, that's not true countries pay for the tariffs川普总统最初说得好 其他类型的,你知道, 这不是真正的国家支付关税
58But here we have a perfect example但这里我们有一个完美的例子
59The countries the China's gets these tariffs中国的国度是这些关税
60And then Walmart has to raise its prices and consumers end up paying for them然后沃尔玛不得不提高价格 消费者最终会付出代价
61Well, Jake in essence what you're saying is you're saying taxes are inflationary好吧,Jake,从本质上来说,你是说 税收是通货膨胀。
62So let's pass the Trump tax cuts and that'll be disinflationary因此,让我们通过特朗普减税 这将是去通货膨胀
63If we continue that line of thinking I know that you can put me on as endorsing anything, but go ahead.如果我们继续这种想法,我知道你可以让我做任何赞成者,但请继续。
64Well, I那个,我...
65Just keep everything consistent.只要保持一切的连贯性。
66I一、导 言
67Did speak to Doug McMillan who I have a very good relationship yesterday just to understand昨天我和Doug McMillan的关系很好 只是想了解
68What he had to say and you know understand that came from an earnings call他必须说的话 你知道这是从一个收入电话里得到的
69They are on an earnings call because of SEC requirements.由于证交会的要求,他们正面临收入问题。
70They have to give the most draconian case他们必须给出最严酷的案子
71So Walmart will be absorbing some of the tariffs some may get passed on to consumers所以沃尔玛会吸收一些关税 可能会让消费者知道
72But the other thing that's happening is that inflation is down但另外一件事是通货膨胀下降
73We had the first drop in inflation in four years under President Trump在特朗普总统领导下,四年来通货膨胀第一次下降
74The other thing that Doug mentioned to me is for his consumers for his buyers道格跟我说的另一件事是 为了他的消费者 为了他的买家
75The most important thing are gasoline prices and this administration has gotten gasoline prices down最重要的是汽油价格 本届政府降低了汽油价格
76service服务
77Prices are down.价格下降。
78So overall I would expect inflation to remain in line因此,总体而言,我预计通货膨胀将保持不变
79But I don't blame consumers there for being skittish after what happened to him four years under Biden但我不怪那里的消费者在拜登统治下四年后
80We had the worst inflation in 40 years.我们有过40年来最严重的通货膨胀。
81So ever since Liberation Day April 2nd4月2日解放日之后
82I have a weekday show called the lead and ever since then every day pretty much我有一个周日的节目叫主播 从那时起,每天都有
83We interview a small business owner我们采访了一个小业主
84Some of them are Trump supporters有些是特朗普的支持者
85Some of them are not some of them are tariff supporters有些不是关税支持者
86Some of them are not the one thing I hear from from almost every one of them is the uncertainty其中有些不是从我听来的 几乎每一个都是不确定的
87They don't know how to plan for the future because they have no idea他们不知道如何规划未来 因为他们不知道
88What's gonna come the other thing I hear is that their margins these are these are small small business their margins are so thin我听到的另外一件事是 他们的利润率是 这些小生意
89five to ten percent max and5%至10%最大,
90They say that these tariffs are just taking away all of their profit margin他们说,这些关税 正在夺走所有利润率
91So I guess my question is what do you say to people concerned about the uncertainty?所以我想我的问题是 你对那些担心不确定性的人怎么说?
92And what do you say to people who say small business owners who say we need relief?你对那些说我们需要救济的小企业主怎么说?
93Because as much they say like I'd love to buy lithium batteries in the United States因为他们都说我想在美国买锂电池
94But you can't they're only available for small businesses from China.但不能只供中国的小企业使用.
95Well a couple of things to unpack their jig来解开他们的夹子
96one is一个是
97that那个
98We didn't get her overnight in terms of this terrible trade situation我们没有在一夜之间得到她 对于这个可怕的贸易状况
99we have with China, but also with the rest of the world and我们有中国, 但也与世界其他国家,
100President Trump is川普总统是
101Renegotiating these and it was strategic uncertainty重新谈判这些问题,这是战略上的不确定性
102The is a negotiating tactic这是一种谈判策略
103So if we were to give too much certainty to the other countries所以如果我们给其他国家太多把握
104Then they would play us in the negotiations然后他们会在谈判中耍我们
105I am confident that at the ends of these negotiations我相信,在这些谈判结束时,
106Both the retailers the American people and the American workers will be better off that零售商、美国人民和美国工人都比
107what we saw我们所看到的
108With China China was the only country post April 2nd to escalate4月2日之后,中国是唯一升级的国家
109So both sides escalated we got to an untenable level.因此双方都升级到无法维持的水平。
110We were at a hundred and forty five percent我们只有百分之一百四十五
111they were at 125 and125岁时
112They we had a meeting in Geneva last weekend and both sides came down a hundred and fifteen percent上周末我们在日内瓦开会 双方都跌了百分之百一十五
113So the US is now at 30 the a ten percent所以美国现在只有百分之三十
114Reciprocal tariff that's on a pause and暂停的对等关税
11520% fentanyl tariffs those were put on back in February.20%的芬太尼关税是2月份上市的
116So those are already in the system所以这些已经在系统里了
117So I think most of the small businesses you're talking to they were probably所以我觉得你跟他们谈的 大部分小生意可能都是
118They are referring to the very high triple-digit tariff levels, which have now been brought down它们指的是非常高的三位数的关税水平,现已降低。
119Yes, some of them were but there's also just this idea a lot of them saying look是的,有些是的,但也有这个想法 他们很多说看
120I support what President Trump wants to do我支持川普总统想做的事
121I support the idea of wanting to bring manufacturing back to the United States我支持把制造业带回美国的想法
122But it can't be done in in a month or three months or even a year that there's just an entire但不可能在一个月,三个月,甚至一年之内 完成,只有整个
123Infrastructure in this country that is lacking这个国家缺乏的基础设施
124They can't buy what they would love to but most of them as you know, if not, all of them are patriotic他们不能买他们喜欢的东西 但大部分都是爱国的
125They want to buy American goods, but a lot of this stuff just isn't made in America他们想买美国货 但很多东西不是美国制造的
126I mean我是说
127This is we could go into a long history about the hollowing out of the manufacturing base that is neither the fault of you me我们可以进入一个很长的历史 关于从制造基地空洞出来, 这不是你的错,我
128President Trump, but川普总统,但是
129It did it does exist and it will take years to make the manufacturing它确实存在 制造它需要几年的时间
130Infrastructure that these small businesses rely on well, Jake, I think what we're gonna see just like we saw with the UK trade deal这些小企业所依赖的基础设施,杰克 我想我们会看到的 就像我们所看到的英国贸易交易
131My sense is it's what we'll see with China.我的感觉是,这是我们将看到的与中国。
132We don't want to decouple with China and我们不想和中国脱钩
133President Trump actually wants to open up China for business.特朗普总统实际上想为商业开放中国.
134So the manufacturing we want to bring back所以,我们想带回制造业
135We had during kovat we realized that we had some very strategic shortfalls whether it was medicines在科瓦特期间,我们意识到,我们有一些非常战略上的短缺,是否是药品
136semiconductors steel the other products半导体钢 其他产品
137So the long term the medium term goal is to bring back these strategic因此,从长远来看,中期目标是恢复这些战略目标。
138Industries as quickly as possible and I think we will continue trading with China工业越快,我想我们将继续与中国贸易
139the in the kinds of products that在产品种类中
140These small businesses are talking about at lower tariff levels这些小企业在谈论低关税水平
141Before you go you join President Trump on his Mideast trip and he said in defending在你走之前,你加入川普总统的中东部之行,他说要捍卫
142From criticism from both liberals and conservatives to accept this 400 million dollar luxury jet从自由派和保守派的批评 到接受这4亿美元的豪华喷气机
143As a gift from cutter to use for the duration of his presidency作为卡特在担任主席期间的礼物
144And then I believe for his presidential library Trump says he's giving it to him as a nice gesture然后我相信他的总统图书馆特朗普说 他把它当作一个很好的姿态
145You're a hard-nosed businessman你是一个难搞的商人
146Even if cutter isn't asking for anything in return now for the jet即使卡特现在没有要求什么 作为回报
147I mean, that's a bill that could come do nobody in the Middle East gives things just to or in any anywhere in the world我的意思是,这是一个法案来做 中东没有人给的东西 只是在世界任何地方或任何地方
148Just gives a 400 million dollar jet just to be nice只要给4亿的喷气机,就是为了好
149Well, I don't know Jake the French gave us a Statue of Liberty the British gave us a resolute desk我不知道法国人杰克给了我们一个自由女神像 英国人给了我们一个坚决的桌子
150I'm not sure they asked for anything in advance and the more important airplane deal was there's a hundred billion of orders from Qatari我不确定他们有没有事先要求 更重要的飞机交易是 卡塔尔有一千亿订单
151Airlines to Boeing飞往波音的航空公司
152Kelly Ortberg the CEO of Boeing was the with with us in the Middle EastKelly Ortberg 波音的首席执行官 和我们一起在中东
153This is the biggest order in the country's hit in the company's history这是公司历史上全国最大的订单
154So, you know, I think that that plane deal is much more important than this other one所以,你知道,我认为,飞机交易 比这个其他交易更重要
155Well, I will just say about the Statue of Liberty好吧,我只说自由女神像
156I mean that was authorized by Congress and it's it belongs to the American people我是说那是国会授权的 属于美国人民
157It doesn't belong to whoever was president at the time.这不属于当时的总统
158Well, I think that this plane would be a gift to the American government我觉得这架飞机是送给美国政府的礼物
159All right, Treasury Secretary Scott Besson.好的 财政部长斯科特·贝松
160It's great to have you here.很高兴你能来
161Thank you so much for being here and welcome back非常感谢你来到这里 欢迎回来
162You probably need to go get some rest.你也许需要去休息一下。
163It's Sunday if you are does anybody in your position rest?今天是星期天,如果你有谁在休息吗?
164I'm going to church after this.之后我会去教堂
165Okay.摆
166Good to see you.很高兴见到你。
167Thank you, sir谢谢,先生
168I'm going to church after this okay. Good to see you. Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir, sir. I我等会再去教堂 很高兴见到你。 谢谢你,先生。 谢谢你,先生,先生。 一、导 言
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