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BBC:英国的核威慑力量为什么部署在苏格兰 | 2026.4

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0:02Look at this map.看这张地图
0:03Hidden at the end of a secluded Scottish lock隐藏在苏格兰锁的尽头
0:05is a secretive military base,是一个秘密军事基地,
0:07home to the UK's fleet of nuclear submarines.是英国核潜艇的基地
0:10That base is Faslane.那个基地是法斯兰
0:13But why are there nukes here?但为什么这里有核武器?
0:15And does their presence make the UK safer?他们的存在是否使英国更安全?
0:17Or Scotland a target?还是苏格兰的目标?
0:24Have you ever heard of MAD?你听说过MAD吗?
0:26It's a Cold War-aided doctrine这是冷战时期的理论
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1Look at this map.看这张地图
2Hidden at the end of a secluded Scottish lock隐藏在苏格兰锁的尽头
3is a secretive military base,是一个秘密军事基地,
4home to the UK's fleet of nuclear submarines.是英国核潜艇的基地
5That base is Faslane.那个基地是法斯兰
6But why are there nukes here?但为什么这里有核武器?
7And does their presence make the UK safer?他们的存在是否使英国更安全?
8Or Scotland a target?还是苏格兰的目标?
9Have you ever heard of MAD?你听说过MAD吗?
10It's a Cold War-aided doctrine这是冷战时期的理论
11which means Mutually Assured Destruction.这意味着相互保证的毁灭。
12Essentially, if one nuclear power基本上,如果一个核能
13launched a full-scale nuclear attack,发动全面核攻击,
14the subsequent counter-strike之后的反击
15would ensure the annihilation能确保毁灭
16of both the attacker and the defender.攻击者和捍卫者
17I'm recording this from Glasgow in March 2026.我在2026年3月从格拉斯哥录制这个
18And while no one is using nuclear weapons,没有人使用核武器,
19right now we have war in Europe,现在,我们在欧洲开战,
20the Middle East,中东,
21multiple civil wars in Africa and Asia.非洲和亚洲的多次内战。
22They're all increasing global instability.它们都增加了全球不稳定性。
23And you might not expect it,你可能没想到,
24but Scotland has a role to play in all of this.但苏格兰在这一切中可以发挥作用。
25To understand what that is,为了了解那是什么
26I'm going 25 miles that way.我往那边走25英里
27At the tip of Gair Lock在盖尔洛克的尖端
28is His Majesty's naval base Clyde.是陛下的海军基地克莱德
29Nobody calls it that though.但没人这么叫
30It's known simply as Faslen.简称法斯伦.
31This base is home to the UK's fleet这个基地是英国舰队的基地
32of four Vanguard-class submarines,四艘先锋级潜艇,
33each armed with Trident nuclear missiles.每枚携带三叉戟核导弹
34This quiet stretch of water on Scotland's west coast苏格兰西海岸的这片静水
35is one of the most strategically important是最重要的战略人物之一
36military locations in Europe.欧洲的军事地点。
37Quick explainer.快速解释者.
38The UK has four Trident submarines.英国有四艘三叉戟潜艇.
39At any one time,任何时候,
40there is one submarine carrying nuclear weapons有一艘潜艇携带核武器
41patrolling the seas undetected,在不被发现的海上巡逻,
42one undergoing maintenance1名正在维修
43and two in port or on training manoeuvres.和两个在港口或训练演习。
44The submarines are 150 metres long.潜艇长150米.
45That's larger than two Airbus A380s这比两辆空中客车A380型大
46and they have a missile range of 4,000 nautical miles.他们的导弹射程是4000海里
47The whole idea is that,整个想法是,
48in the event of a nuclear attack on the UK,如果联合王国受到核攻击,
49the submarine at sea has the ability to retaliate.海上的潜艇有报复的能力
50To understand why our subs are in Scotland,为了了解为什么我们的潜艇在苏格兰
51we need to go back in time我们需要回到过去
52and we need an expert.我们需要一个专家。
53Faslane is around 40 kilometres north-west of GlasgowFaslane在格拉斯哥西北40公里处
54and the submarines are based there潜艇就在那里
55for a combination of reasons,由于各种原因,
56including the deep water access to the North Atlantic,包括进入北大西洋的深水,
57the fact that it is a geographically isolated space它是一个地理上孤立的空间
58away from major population centres远离主要人口中心
59that can be more easily protected.这更容易保护。
60Timothy Peacock博士是一位讲师和历史学家
61at the University of Glasgow,在格拉斯哥大学,
62specialising in war studies.专门从事战争研究。
63That includes nuclear history.包括核历史。
64Faslane最初是建造的,
65as a World War II emergency port作为二战紧急港口
66and subsequently is converted into becoming the home之后变成家
67of the United Kingdom's nuclear submarine fleet in the 1960s.1960年代英国的核潜艇舰队
68That is, both the nuclear-powered submarines也就是说,两艘核动力潜艇
69that are designed with conventional weapons用常规武器设计的
70such as torpedoes,如鱼雷,
71designed to go on patrol and to hunt Soviet submarines为了巡逻和猎杀苏联潜艇
72or conduct other tasks in terms of naval operations,或执行海上行动方面的其他任务,
73as well as the ballistic missile submarines以及弹道导弹潜艇
74that carry nuclear-armed missiles携带核武器导弹的导弹
75to act as the seaborne leg of any deterrent.作为任何威慑力量的海路支线。
76Historically, not everyone in Scotland从历史上看,不是苏格兰的每一个人
77has been happy with the presence of submarines,对潜艇的存在感到高兴
78nor the idea of a nuclear deterrent being housed here.也没有核威慑的想法
79The demonstrators had expected the heavily guarded convoy示威者期待这支护卫严密的车队
80to take the steep incline at Peaton Hill,在皮顿山的陡峭处
81a shortcut between Coolport and the Clyde submarine base.柯波特和克莱德潜艇基地之间的捷径
82But at the last minute, the route was switched.但在最后一刻,路线被切换.
83The tactic took most of the demonstrators by surprise战术让大部分示威者大吃一惊
84and left many of them screaming, shouting and crying in anger.他们中许多人愤怒地大喊大叫,大喊大叫。
85These views are shared by the protesters抗议者也认同这些观点,
86of the Faslane Peace Camp,法斯兰和平营成员,
87the longest-running occupied peace camp in the world,世界上最久的 被占领的和平营地,
88who, in 2022, celebrated 40 years of encampment在2022年,他们庆祝了40年的扎营
89beside the submarine base.在潜艇基地旁边
90There have been arguments as to those on one side曾经有人对一方有争论
91suggesting that the presence of a nuclear deterrent表明存在核威慑力量
92has prevented wider war阻止了更广泛的战争
93and has allowed for de-escalation and diplomacy,并允许降级和外交,
94as opposed to other scholars who've argued相对于其他学者
95that the very presence of nuclear weapons核武器的存在本身
96has potentially exacerbated the possibilities of conflict,有可能加剧冲突的可能性,
97including through arms races and the encouraging军备竞赛和鼓励性
98of the building up of nuclear armaments建立核军备
99or larger conventional forces by multiple sides.或由多个方面组成的更大的常规力量。
100I think I would say that I am observantly concerned我想我会说 我很关心
101about the present global situation.关于目前全球局势。
102I think that understandably, right now,我认为可以理解的是,现在,
103people will be, in a number of cases,人们会,在很多情况下,
104worrying about the future担心未来
105for completely understandable reasons.因为完全可以理解的原因
106At the same time, I believe that,与此同时,我相信,
107especially when I look at the capacity特别是当我看能力
108of what people are able to achieve in terms of resolution人民在解决问题方面能够实现的
109or in terms of resilience或就复原力而言
110in the most difficult of circumstances,在最困难的情况下,
111it is something that continues to give me hope.它继续给我带来希望。
112Because ultimately, the single biggest challenge因为最终最大的挑战
113is not one of technologies or of tools, but of people.不是技术或工具,而是人。
114Tim said he was observantly concerned.提姆说他很关心
115He's not catastrophizing, but he is saying他没有被电击,但是他说
116that in a historical context, things aren't great.在历史背景下 事情并不妙
117His concern is certainly shared他的担忧当然是共同的
118by leaders and experts across Europe.欧洲各国领导人和专家。
119Last year, the head of NATO warned.去年,北约领导人发出警告。
120Russia could be ready to use military force against NATO俄罗斯可能准备对北约使用武力
121within five years.在五年之内
122Five years.五年..
123Let's not kid ourselves.别自欺欺人了
124We are all on the eastern flank now.我们现在都在东侧
125This matters because of something called Article 5.这很重要,因为第5条。
126It's NATO's core principle,这是北约的核心原则,
127and it means that an armed attack against one member这意味着对一名成员的武装攻击
128is considered an attack against them all.被认为是对他们全部的攻击。
129In other words, if a member country is attacked,换言之,如果一个成员国受到攻击,
130the UK would be expected to respond.英国将作出回应。
131We must be able to deter aggression.我们必须能够阻止侵略。
132And yes, if necessary, we must be ready to fight,是的,如有必要,我们必须准备好战斗,
133to do whatever it takes to protect our people,竭尽所能保护我们的人民,
134our values, and our way of life.我们的价值观和生活方式
135I mean, I don't know about you,我的意思是,我不知道关于你,
136but to me, all of this sounds a little ominous.但对我来说,这一切听起来有点不祥
137If you could just introduce yourself如果你能自我介绍一下
138and your title, please.和你的头衔,请。
139Yeah, I'm Ed Arnold.对 我是艾德·阿诺德
140I'm a senior research fellow for European security我是欧洲安全高级研究员
141at the Royal United Services Institute.在皇家联合服务学院。
142I think we'll just jump right into the first question,我想我们只是跳进第一个问题
143which is, what is the current state of international security?也就是说,国际安全的现状如何?
144It's deteriorating, and it's deteriorating quite rapidly.它正在恶化,并且正在迅速恶化.
145At the macro level, what we're seeing is a transition在宏观层面,我们看到的是一个转变
146from a US-dominated international system来自美国主导的国际体系
147that was established at the end of the Second World War,第二次世界大战结束时成立的,
148but that is now deteriorating in a number of ways.但是,这种情况在若干方面正在恶化。
149And we're in a transition period to something that comes next.我们正处于向接下来的转变阶段。
150And there are other powers, such as China, Russia, Iran,还有其他大国,如中国、俄罗斯、伊朗
151North Korea, who are sort of joining together to try朝鲜,他们正在联合起来尝试
152and bring us into a world system带我们进入一个世界体系
153that is heavily structured towards them.以他们为重。
154And I think what we're seeing within this deterioration我认为我们所看到的 在这种恶化之中
155is also a very powerful US president也是一位非常强大的美国总统
156who is starting to use his military might,他开始使用他的军事力量,
157first against Venezuela, now against Iran.首先反对委内瑞拉 现在反对伊朗
158And it's just sucking up capacity,它只是吸 容量,
159both in terms of military capacity, diplomatic capacity.就军事能力、外交能力而言。
160So all of these areas now are linked所以现在所有这些领域都是联系在一起的
161between the European theatre, the Middle East,欧洲剧院、中东、
162and also potential war with the US in the Indo-Pacific.以及可能与美国在印度-太平洋发生的战争。
163Okay, that's quite sobering.好吧,这是相当清醒的。
164It sounds like there's a lot of multiple actors好像有很多演员
165that play different regions around the world.在世界不同区域。
166I guess, how important is Scotland我想苏格兰有多重要
167in all of this wider picture?在所有这些更广的画面中?
168Well, Scotland's actually very important.苏格兰其实很重要
169So if we look into sort of the European theatre所以,如果我们看看某种 欧洲剧院
170of operations, the primary threat is Russia.行动的主要威胁是俄罗斯
171And the seat of Russian military power和俄罗斯军事力量的所在地
172is up in the Kola Peninsula, directly in the Arctic Circle.位于科拉半岛, 直接在北极圈。
173And that's where their strategic nuclear forces are.这就是他们的战略核力量所在.
174And it's also where their northern fleet,也是他们的北方舰队,
175so their navy fleet, which is their premier.因此,他们的海军舰队, 这是他们的第一。
176And that is effectively where their power lies.而这正是他们的力量所在。
177And in order to target Europe, in order to target the US,为了瞄准欧洲 为了瞄准美国
178those capabilities have to come down through the Norwegian Sea这些能力必须经过挪威海
179into the North Atlantic and the North Sea进入北大西洋和北海
180to threaten Europe and also threaten the US.威胁欧洲 也威胁美国
181So Scotland is absolutely integral to that,因此,苏格兰是绝对不可分割的,
182主要通过北方的RAS Frossymouth,
183which has UK maritime patrol capability.拥有英国海上巡逻能力。
184And actually, that's quite a large proportion其实,这是相当大的比例
185of NATO's maritime patrol activity.北约的海上巡逻活动。
186And I just want to go back to that point.我只想回到那个点。
187So in Europe, Scotland is the only place所以在欧洲,苏格兰是唯一的地方
188that has nuclear weapons that would be used拥有将使用核武器的
189in defence of NATO, is that right?为了保卫北约,是吗?
190Yes, so in the 2010s, the UK made that commitment to NATO是的,因此在2010年代,英国对北约做出了这一承诺。
191to say that, you know, our nuclear weapons,说,你知道,我们的核武器,
192our nuclear forces are assigned to NATO.我们的核力量被分配到北约
193So we call that extended deterrence.因此,我们称之为扩大威慑。
194So within NATO, the only powers are the US, UK and France因此,在北约内部,唯一的强国是美国,英国和法国.
195that have nuclear weapons.拥有核武器。
196The UKs are specifically assigned to NATO.联合王国被专门分配给北约。
197There is a discussion in France at the moment,目前法国正在讨论
198and President Macron made a fairly important speech马克龙总统发表了相当重要的演讲
199in the last couple of weeks around that.在过去的几周里
200And that's really important at the moment现在这很重要
201because of the fluctuating policy of the US.因为美国的政策波动
202People are worried about Trump,人们担心特朗普,
203and they're also worried about sort of US disengagement他们也担心美国会脱离接触
204from Europe and deprioritisation of Europe来自欧洲和欧洲非优先化
205to look into other theatres.进入其他剧院
206Obviously now, Middle East is pretty critical.显然,中东现在相当关键。
207So Europeans, you know, particularly if you're closer所以欧洲人,你知道,特别是如果你更接近
208to the Russian border, they're really worried about this.到俄国边境 他们很担心
209And they, you know, you see nuclear weapons他们看到核武器
210as that ultimate deterrence factor.作为最终的威慑因素。
211So the fact that UK has extended deterrence over them因此,英国对他们施加了威慑
212is really important.这很重要
213And do you think that that makes Scotland a target then?你觉得那会使苏格兰成为目标吗?
214So I think in a number of ways,所以我想,在很多方面,
215and I think, you know, if you're looking at potential scenarios我认为,你知道, 如果你看潜在的情景
216where NATO could be involved with a war against Russia,北约可能参与对俄罗斯的战争,
217I mean, it could happen by accident.我的意思是,它可能是偶然发生的。
218So there's a lot of activity,所以有很多活动,
219a lot of military activity going on.许多军事活动正在进行。
220And sometimes there's miscalculation,有时会有误判
221there's, you know, unintended escalation.有,你知道,意外的升级。
222So this could happen by accident.所以这有可能是偶然发生的。
223But if it is deliberate policy,但如果这是蓄意的政策,
224I mean, NATO is a defensive alliance,我的意思是,北约是一个防御联盟,
225it's not gonna go to war with Russia.它不会和俄国开战的
226It's only if it's attacked.惟遇袭.
227So it was deliberate Kremlin policy所以这是克里姆林宫的政策
228to go to war with Europe.与欧洲开战
229Well, you have to look at that maritime patrol capability你得看看海上巡逻的能力
230because effectively, if you're able to destroy or disable it,因为有效, 如果你能够摧毁或破坏它,
231you can blind NATO.你可以盲目北约。
232And if NATO can't find Russian submarines,如果北约找不到俄国潜艇
233then they are effectively very vulnerable.他们实际上非常脆弱。
234Okay, so how prepared is the UK and Scotland好吧,那么如何准备 英国和苏格兰
235for these kind of attacks?这些攻击?
236Well, I think, I mean, reasonably prepared,嗯,我想,我的意思是, 合理的准备,
237but again, this is about complacency.但是,这是关于自满。
238Like, you know, you almost can't over-prepare就像,你知道, 你几乎不能过度准备
239for these eventualities.对于这些意外。
240And I think at a very high level我认为在非常高的水平
241that there is a slight misunderstanding here这里有点误会
242because there's an issue.因为有一个问题。
243So defence is not a devolved competency所以说 辩护不是下放的权限
244to the Scottish government.致苏格兰政府
245So that power resides in Westminster所以权力在威斯敏斯特
246and the Ministry of Defence.和国防部。
247But when you're talking about resilience,但是,当你在谈论弹性,
248you know, that is sort of,你知道,这有点,
249it's where the seams and handoffs缝合和交换
250between departments happens.部门之间发生。
251What's really important,有什么重要的事吗?
252if you're talking about the types of crises we are,如果你在谈论 我们的危机类型
253that all of these things are ironed out这些东西都被熨熟了
254because you're effectively talking about legal,因为你在谈论法律
255you know, emergency powers.你知道,紧急的力量。
256They need to go through acts of parliament他们需要通过议会法案
257to be able to enact it so that when you need them,能够颁布它,以便在你需要的时候,
258you can press the button and say,你可以按下按钮说,
259okay, we're going to do this.好吧,我们要做到这一点。
260So think at a very high level,因此,思考在非常高的水平,
261the governance needs to be understood.治理需要理解。
262My last question, and it's quite a big question,我最后一个问题, 这是一个相当大的问题,
263is how likely is a nuclear attack in 2026?2026年核攻击的可能性有多大?
264Very unlikely, I would say.不太可能,我会说。
265Just for the fact that if you separate out只是因为如果你分开
266what is meant by a nuclear attack,核攻击是什么意思?
267I mean, you hear sort of tactical nuclear weapons.我的意思是,你听到 某种战术核武器。
268I don't use that terminology我不使用这个术语
269because I think nuclear use is never confined因为我认为核用途 从来没有限制
270to the tactical level of warfare,到战术层面的战争,
271but certainly low yield nuclear weapons use.但使用核武器的产量确实很低。
272You know, there has been worries你知道,一直有 担心
273that the Russians may use that in Ukraine俄国人可以在乌克兰使用
274at some point in time to try and break the deadlock,为了打破僵局
275but I assess certainly that this year is highly unlikely,但我认为今年不太可能
276and certainly nuclear use by Russia's allies and partners,无疑是俄罗斯盟友和伙伴使用核武器,
277notably China and India,特别是中国和印度,
278said that's absolutely a red line for us.说那绝对是我们红线
279I think it's really important to note我觉得这很重要
280that there are gradients of activity,活动有梯度,
281and that's why deterrence activity is so important,这就是为什么威慑活动如此重要,
282to make sure that if you start to go up those escalation points以确保如果你开始升级点
283in that ladder, there are measures to de-escalate as well.在这个梯子中,也有缓和升级的措施。
284For the past few weeks, my feed has been full of videos在过去的几周里,我的视频充斥着
285about nuclear Armageddon, but listening to Ed and Tim,关于核世界末日, 但听埃德和蒂姆,
286it sounds like the current assessment is这听起来像目前的评估是
287that we don't need to be hidden for the bunkers any time soon.我们不需要马上被掩体藏起来
288I set out to understand if FAS Lane makes Scotland a target,我开始理解FAS Lane是否让苏格兰成为目标
289and the answer is complicated.答案很复杂
290Major cities and infrastructure would be at risk主要城市和基础设施将面临风险
291in any large-scale conflicts, with or without nuclear weapons.在任何大规模冲突中,无论有无核武器。
292The chances of a nuclear strike anywhere in the world世界任何地方发生核打击的可能性
293remains very low.仍然很低。
294What was clear is that war can take a lot of shapes,很明显的是 战争会有很多形态
295and what really matters for Scotland and the UK is resilience,而对于苏格兰和联合王国来说真正重要的是复原力,
296being prepared and being aware.准备和意识到。
297And I know that's a big thought to leave you on.我知道离开你是个好主意
298If you do want to go further,如果你想更进一步
299BBC journalists have produced extensive reportingBBC的记者做了大量报道
300on both UK security issues and major international security issues.• 联合王国的安全问题和主要国际安全问题。
301I'll put links in the description我会把链接 在描述
302of some of the stuff that I've been reading,我读过的一些东西,
303but you can also find it all on YouTube or on the BBC News app.但你也可以在YouTube或BBC新闻应用上找到。
304And I'd really like to hear what you think.我很想听听你的看法
305Please share your thoughts on all of this in the comments.请在评论中阐述你对所有这些问题的看法。
306That's all from me.皆从我故.
307Thanks for watching.谢谢你的观看。
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