前川普国家安全顾问谈沙特王储杀害美国记者 | 2026.7.
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:01 | The meeting that took place last November, where MBS is welcomed into the White House, | 去年11月举行的会议欢迎MBS进入白宫, |
| 0:08 | you commented on that meeting, in any event, in just absolute cold-blooded national interest terms. | 你对那次会议的评论, 无论如何, 绝对冷血的国家利益。 |
| 0:17 | We've got a lot at stake in Saudi Arabia. | 在沙特阿拉伯,我们有很大的利害关系。 |
| 0:20 | Trump defended the kingdom and MBS. | 特朗普捍卫王国和MBS. |
| 0:23 | I think that's the right thing to do. | 我认为这样做是正确的。 |
| 0:26 | What is cold-blooded national interest when talking about Saudi Arabia? | 在谈论沙特阿拉伯时,冷血的国家利益是什么? |
| 0:31 | Well, national interest means fundamentally protecting the security of the United States | 国家利益意味着从根本上保护美国的安全 |
| 0:37 | and its people and its vital interest around the world. | 及其人民及其在世界各地的重大利益。 |
| 0:41 | There are a lot of things that we prize because of our value system. | 由于我们的价值体系,有很多东西值得我们奖励. |
| 0:46 | But in international affairs, it's not the same as personal relations. | 但在国际事务中,与个人关系不同. |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | The meeting that took place last November, where MBS is welcomed into the White House, | 去年11月举行的会议欢迎MBS进入白宫, |
| 2 | you commented on that meeting, in any event, in just absolute cold-blooded national interest terms. | 你对那次会议的评论, 无论如何, 绝对冷血的国家利益。 |
| 3 | We've got a lot at stake in Saudi Arabia. | 在沙特阿拉伯,我们有很大的利害关系。 |
| 4 | Trump defended the kingdom and MBS. | 特朗普捍卫王国和MBS. |
| 5 | I think that's the right thing to do. | 我认为这样做是正确的。 |
| 6 | What is cold-blooded national interest when talking about Saudi Arabia? | 在谈论沙特阿拉伯时,冷血的国家利益是什么? |
| 7 | Well, national interest means fundamentally protecting the security of the United States | 国家利益意味着从根本上保护美国的安全 |
| 8 | and its people and its vital interest around the world. | 及其人民及其在世界各地的重大利益。 |
| 9 | There are a lot of things that we prize because of our value system. | 由于我们的价值体系,有很多东西值得我们奖励. |
| 10 | But in international affairs, it's not the same as personal relations. | 但在国际事务中,与个人关系不同. |
| 11 | Sometimes you have to make unpleasant choices. | 有时你不得不做出不愉快的选择。 |
| 12 | And the right choice to make in difficult areas is often to do what your interests dictate | 在困难地区做出正确选择 往往是做你的利益决定 |
| 13 | and maybe not what moral scruples dictate. | 可能不是道德顾虑决定的 |
| 14 | Why is Saudi Arabia important to the United States? | 为什么沙特阿拉伯对美国很重要? |
| 15 | Well, the Saudis, their role in the international oil business, their position in the Islamic world, | 沙特人,他们在国际石油业中的作用,他们在伊斯兰世界中的地位, |
| 16 | make it a country that has been critical to the U.S. in one way or another | 让它成为一个以某种方式对美国至关重要的国家 |
| 17 | since Franklin Roosevelt met the Saudi king on an American destroyer in World War II. | 自从富兰克林·罗斯福在二战中的一艘美国驱逐舰上遇到了沙特国王. |
| 18 | And there have been changes, obviously, since then. | 从那时起显然发生了一些变化。 |
| 19 | But the importance of the kingdom really has been a fixed point in American foreign policy | 但王国的重要性 确实是美国外交政策的定点 |
| 20 | now for getting on to 80 years. | 现在进入80年。 |
| 21 | You talk about back in April of 2018, when you came in, | 2018年4月你进来的时候 |
| 22 | that one thing that was underway was a pressure campaign against Iran. | 有一件事是针对伊朗的压力运动。 |
| 23 | And you had said that MBS was pivotal to the administration's pressure campaign against Iran. | 你说过MBS是政府向伊朗施压的关键 |
| 24 | How so? | 为什么? |
| 25 | Well, the Saudis have, for almost the entire history of the production of oil, | 沙特人几乎在石油生产的整个历史中 |
| 26 | been the leader of the Gulf Arab countries, | 曾是海湾阿拉伯国家的领导人, |
| 27 | often in opposition to Iran from the very earliest days, | 从一开始就经常反对伊朗 |
| 28 | but the leader of the Gulf Cooperation Council, the biggest producer, the most important. | 但海湾合作委员会的领导人,最大的生产者,最重要的。 |
| 29 | And stability in the region really depends on some kind of ability of the Gulf Arab states to counter Iran | 该地区的稳定确实取决于 海湾阿拉伯国家对抗伊朗的能力 |
| 30 | and to hold together since the Islamic Revolution of 1979 | 自1979年伊斯兰革命以来, |
| 31 | and provide an alternative source of oil and political stability. | 并提供了石油和政治稳定的替代来源。 |
| 32 | In the beginning of the administration, even before they took office, | 执政之初,甚至在他们上任之前, |
| 33 | the Saudis reached out to several of the top officials in the incoming administration, | 沙特人联系了即将上任的政府的一些高级官员, |
| 34 | and especially to Jared Kushner. | 特别是贾里德·库什纳 |
| 35 | Jared Kushner becomes an important person in the administration, a kind of point person. | 贾里德·库什纳成为行政部门的重要人物,一种点球人物. |
| 36 | And people have looked at this and criticized it | 人们看这个,批评它 |
| 37 | because they said that the administration was skirting traditional protocol, | 因为他们说,政府 回避传统协议, |
| 38 | sidelining people like the Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, for example. | 比如说,把国务卿雷克斯·蒂勒森这样的人放在一边。 |
| 39 | Was that ever something that raised your eyebrows? | 那是什么让你眉毛抬高的吗? |
| 40 | Well, Jared could perform whatever function he wanted to because his father-in-law was the president, | 贾里德可以做他想做的事 因为他的岳父是总统 |
| 41 | and he had different interests at different times. | 他在不同的时间有不同的兴趣。 |
| 42 | He flitted in and flitted out of issues. | 他闪闪发光地闪闪发光 |
| 43 | It was not a problem for me because the National Security Council process rolls along | 这不是我的问题,因为 国家安全委员会的进程在展开 |
| 44 | without regard to people who flit in and out of it. | 而不尊重那些随心所欲的人。 |
| 45 | He was much more a problem, I think, for Mike Pompeo at the State Department. | 我觉得他更像是国务院的迈克·庞佩奥的麻烦 |
| 46 | And before that, Rex Tillerson. | 在此之前,雷克斯・蒂勒森。 |
| 47 | Right. | 对 |
| 48 | But he admitted in an interview that I've seen that when he was first approached by the Saudis, | 但他在一次采访中承认,我见过他第一次被沙特人接近时, |
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