BBC：美国是否开始对以色列失去感情？ | 2026.6.2
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:01 | Is the United States falling out of love with Israel? | 美国是否已经脱离了对以色列的爱? |
| 0:05 | The idea that the US is a staunch supporter of Israel | 美国是以色列坚定支持者的想法 |
| 0:09 | has been a political truth for decades, | 几十年来一直是一个政治真理, |
| 0:11 | whether you're a Republican or a Democrat. | 不管是共和党还是民主党 |
| 0:14 | But recently, you may have heard this from J.D. | 但最近你可能从J. D. |
| 0:17 | Vance. | 万斯(原变种). |
| 0:18 | The problem for Israel is not Donald J. Trump. | 以色列的问题不是唐纳德·J·特朗普. |
| 0:21 | And anybody in Israel who thinks their biggest problem | 和以色列任何人 谁认为他们最大的问题 |
| 0:24 | is the President of the United States | 美国总统 |
| 0:26 | needs to wake up and smell the reality of the situation | 需要醒来,闻到现实 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Is the United States falling out of love with Israel? | 美国是否已经脱离了对以色列的爱? |
| 2 | The idea that the US is a staunch supporter of Israel | 美国是以色列坚定支持者的想法 |
| 3 | has been a political truth for decades, | 几十年来一直是一个政治真理, |
| 4 | whether you're a Republican or a Democrat. | 不管是共和党还是民主党 |
| 5 | But recently, you may have heard this from J.D. | 但最近你可能从J. D. |
| 6 | Vance. | 万斯(原变种). |
| 7 | The problem for Israel is not Donald J. Trump. | 以色列的问题不是唐纳德·J·特朗普. |
| 8 | And anybody in Israel who thinks their biggest problem | 和以色列任何人 谁认为他们最大的问题 |
| 9 | is the President of the United States | 美国总统 |
| 10 | needs to wake up and smell the reality of the situation | 需要醒来,闻到现实 |
| 11 | that country is in. | 这个国家在。 |
| 12 | Are cracks starting to appear in the relationship? | 关系开始出现裂缝了吗? |
| 13 | And what could that mean in Israel, | 这在以色列意味着什么? |
| 14 | particularly in an election year? | 特别是在选举年? |
| 15 | From the BBC, I'm Tristan Redmond in London, | 英国广播公司的 我是伦敦的崔斯坦·雷德蒙 |
| 16 | and this is the Global Story on YouTube. | 这是YouTube上的"全球故事" |
| 17 | Here on the show, guys, we really wanted to dig into | 在这里,在节目中,伙计们, 我们真的想挖 |
| 18 | what might be behind this changing relationship | 改变关系背后的是什么 |
| 19 | between the United States and Israel. | 美国和以色列之间。 |
| 20 | And so to do that, we're calling on our very own expert | 因此,我们呼吁 我们自己的专家 |
| 21 | gumshoe reporter in Washington, D.C., Asma Khaled, | 华盛顿特区的口香糖记者 Asma Khaled |
| 22 | who knows her way around the city. | 谁知道她在城里的路。 |
| 23 | Later on, we're going to cross to John Donison, | 后来,我们要去 约翰·多尼森, |
| 24 | the BBC's John Donison in Jerusalem. | BBC的约翰・多尼森在耶路撒冷。 |
| 25 | But I'm pleased to say we're going to spend a bit of time | 但我很高兴说我们要花点时间 |
| 26 | with Asma first, who's been doing some reporting on this, | 与阿斯玛先, 谁一直在做一些报道, |
| 27 | and Asma's going to explain to us what's behind all of this. | 阿斯玛会向我们解释这一切背后的原因 |
| 28 | Asma, great to have you on the show. | 阿斯玛,很高兴你上节目 |
| 29 | Well, thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 30 | Thank you for inviting me onto the Global Story | 谢谢你邀请我加入"全球故事" |
| 31 | to talk about this all. | 来谈谈这一切。 |
| 32 | It's a storyline, actually, that I've been following | 其实,我一直在跟踪这个故事 |
| 33 | over a number of years as a political correspondent. | 担任政治通讯员多年。 |
| 34 | As you know, I used to be here in Washington. | 如你所知 我以前在华盛顿 |
| 35 | So Asma, if you'll permit me, | 阿斯玛,如果你允许我 |
| 36 | I mean, it's kind of political orthodoxy | 我的意思是,这是一种政治正统 |
| 37 | that the United States supports Israel. | 美国支持以色列。 |
| 38 | This has been the case for sort of forever. | 这一点是永远的。 |
| 39 | How have we arrived at a point where that might be changing? | 我们是如何到达这个可能正在改变的时刻的? |
| 40 | Well, you're correct in saying that it's certainly been | 你说的没错,这当然是 |
| 41 | conventional wisdom here in Washington, D.C. | 在华盛顿特区的常规智慧 |
| 42 | that U.S. foreign policy supports Israel. | 美国的外交政策支持以色列。 |
| 43 | That has been the case. | 情况就是这样。 |
| 44 | You can go back to the 1960s, 1970s. | 可以追溯到1960年代,1970年代. |
| 45 | This was bipartisan approval across Republicans | 这是两党对共和党的支持 |
| 46 | and Democrats and lawmakers. | 还有民主党和立法者 |
| 47 | And just recently, it's become clear to me | 就在最近,我变得很清楚 |
| 48 | that the center of gravity appears to be shifting, | 重力中心似乎在转移, |
| 49 | particularly among Democrats. | 尤其是民主党人 |
| 50 | And I will say, look, this has been a slow evolution | 我会说,你看, 这是一个缓慢的进化 |
| 51 | in some regards, and we'll get to that in a moment. | 在某些方面,我们会得到 在一个瞬间。 |
| 52 | But the moment this really became clear to me | 但当我真正明白这一点的时候 |
| 53 | was when I began to see comment after comment | 那时我开始看到评论之后 |
| 54 | from what I would describe as | 从我所说的 |
| 55 | 2028 Democratic presidential hopefuls | 2028年民主总统希望 |
| 56 | that haven't all announced officially that they're running. | 还没正式宣布他们要参选 |
| 57 | But take someone like Rahm Emanuel, former mayor of Chicago. | 但带上像Rahm Emanuel这样的人 前芝加哥市长 |
| 58 | He was the chief of staff under President Barack Obama. | 他是巴拉克·奥巴马总统手下的参谋长. |
| 59 | And during the Obama administration, he worked with him. | 而在奥巴马政府期间,他与他合作. |
| 60 | They directed money toward Israel's Iron Dome defense system. | 他们用钱指向以色列铁穹防御系统. |
| 61 | And recently, I heard him singing a very different tune | 最近我听到他唱的曲子很不一样 |
| 62 | when it came to taxpayer financial assistance for Israel. | 关于纳税人对以色列的财政援助。 |
| 63 | Israel's in a different place today. | 以色列今天在另一个地方 |
| 64 | And what I said was, and I believe, | 我说的是 我相信 |
| 65 | taxpayer support for purchasing weapons is over. | 纳税人购买武器的支持已经结束。 |
| 66 | You will be able to purchase weapons | 你可以买武器 |
| 67 | just like any other ally with any other restrictions. | 就像其他盟友一样 还有其他的限制 |
| 68 | That's what Germany, Japan, UK, you'll have it just like that. | 这就是德国,日本,英国, 你会有它就这样。 |
| 69 | And Rahm Emanuel is not the only one. | 而拉赫姆·伊曼纽尔并非是唯一一个. |
| 70 | We've seen Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, | 我们已经看到加文・纽森,加州州长, |
| 71 | be asked about this issue. | 请问这个问题。 |
| 72 | The former transportation secretary, Pete Buttigieg. | 前任交通秘书皮特·布蒂吉格. |
| 73 | Increasingly, as Democrats are eyeing the White House, | 随着民主党人日益关注白宫 |
| 74 | it appears that support for Israel is a sort of litmus test. | 对以色列的支持似乎是一种试金石。 |
| 75 | And I cannot overstate how fundamentally different this is | 我无法夸大这根本上的不同 |
| 76 | in Democratic party politics. | 在民主党政治中。 |
| 77 | You know, I remember being in these cavernous halls | 你知道,我记得在 洞穴的大厅 |
| 78 | covering the Democratic debates in 2020. | 涵盖2020年民主辩论。 |
| 79 | And you heard someone like Bernie Sanders, | 你听到有人 像伯尼・桑德斯, |
| 80 | who was running at the time, | 当时在逃的人, |
| 81 | and many folks in the chattering political class | 以及政治阶层的许多人 |
| 82 | thought of Bernie as a fringe lefty candidate, | 伯尼是左撇子候选人 |
| 83 | someone who wasn't, in their view, | 在他们看来, |
| 84 | going to become the nominee. | 将成为提名人。 |
| 85 | Bernie Sanders spoke about conditioning aid to Israel. | 伯尼·桑德斯谈到向以色列提供援助的条件。 |
| 86 | So I would use the leverage. | 所以,我会利用杠杆。 |
| 87 | $3.8 billion is a lot of money. | 38亿元是一笔巨资. |
| 88 | And we cannot give it carte blanche | 而我们又不能随便说说 |
| 89 | to the Israeli government, | 致以色列政府的信, |
| 90 | or for that matter, to any government at all. | 或者说,对于任何政府来说 |
| 91 | We have a right to demand respect | 我们有权要求尊重 |
| 92 | for human rights and democracy. | 促进人权和民主。 |
| 93 | I remember there was this debate in Atlanta in 2019 | 我记得2019年亚特兰大有这场辩论 |
| 94 | where he spoke about Israel. | 他在那里谈到以色列。 |
| 95 | It is no longer good enough for us simply to be pro-Israel. | 对我们来说,仅仅支持以色列已经不够了。 |
| 96 | I am pro-Israel. | 我支持以色列。 |
| 97 | But we must treat the Palestinian people as well | 但我们也必须对待巴勒斯坦人民 |
| 98 | with the respect and dignity that they deserve. | 他们应该得到应有的尊重和尊严。 |
| 99 | Said the U.S. ought to rethink its allies, | 说美国应该重新考虑它的盟友, |
| 100 | rethink its alliances. | 重新考虑它的联盟。 |
| 101 | I mean, these comments were very novel to be hearing in public | 我的意思是,这些评论是非常新颖的 在公众中听到 |
| 102 | amongst Democrats running to be president of the United States. | 民主党竞选美国总统 |
| 103 | Was that controversial at the time when he said that, Asma? | 阿斯玛,当时他这么说是不是有争议? |
| 104 | When he spoke about conditioning aid to Israel, | 当他谈到向以色列提供援助时, |
| 105 | I recall that later, Joe Biden, who was also running | 我记得后来,乔·拜登,他也在竞选 |
| 106 | and obviously became then the president of the United States, | 并且显然成为当时的美国总统, |
| 107 | was asked about those comments. | 有人问及这些评论。 |
| 108 | and | 和 |
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