爱达荷州右转之争 全国共和党未来风向标 | 2026.10.
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| 0:04 | Idaho is red. | 爱达荷红色. |
| 0:06 | Really red. | 真红 |
| 0:08 | But within all that red, there's a battle playing out here between | 但是在红色的深处 这里有一场战斗 |
| 0:11 | a more traditional brand of republicanism and a socially conservative hard right. | 一个比较传统的共和主义品牌 一个社会保守的硬右翼 |
| 0:16 | And | 还有 |
| 0:16 | it could influence the future of the Republican Party in America. | 这会影响美国共和党的未来 |
| 0:21 | I'm Robbie Grammer. | 我是罗比・格拉姆 |
| 0:22 | I'm a national security reporter at the Wall Street Journal. | 我是华尔街日报的国家安全记者 |
| 0:26 | I usually | 我通常会 |
| 0:26 | report on what's happening abroad. | 报告国外发生的事 |
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| 1 | Idaho is red. | 爱达荷红色. |
| 2 | Really red. | 真红 |
| 3 | But within all that red, there's a battle playing out here between | 但是在红色的深处 这里有一场战斗 |
| 4 | a more traditional brand of republicanism and a socially conservative hard right. | 一个比较传统的共和主义品牌 一个社会保守的硬右翼 |
| 5 | And | 还有 |
| 6 | it could influence the future of the Republican Party in America. | 这会影响美国共和党的未来 |
| 7 | I'm Robbie Grammer. | 我是罗比・格拉姆 |
| 8 | I'm a national security reporter at the Wall Street Journal. | 我是华尔街日报的国家安全记者 |
| 9 | I usually | 我通常会 |
| 10 | report on what's happening abroad. | 报告国外发生的事 |
| 11 | But now I've come back to Idaho, where I was born | 但现在我回到了爱达荷州 我出生的地方 |
| 12 | and spent my childhood. | 度过了我的童年 |
| 13 | In this episode of Rooted In, I went back to my home state, where | 在这集"根入"中,我回到了家乡,在那里 |
| 14 | I spoke to conservative transplants and longtime locals. | 我和保守派的移植者和长期本地人谈过 |
| 15 | Ahead of the midterm elections, a | 在中期选举之前,a |
| 16 | key question for Idahoans is what brand of conservativism do they want? | 对爱达荷人来说,关键问题是 他们想要什么保护牌子? |
| 17 | Idaho is a testing ground for ultra conservative legislation. | 爱达荷州是极端保守立法的试验场. |
| 18 | It can set precedents. | 它可以开创先例。 |
| 19 | Idaho's population has grown dramatically recently, and the majority of the state's | 爱达荷州的人口最近急剧增长, |
| 20 | residents are Republican, which has shifted the state's politics further right. | 居民是共和党人,这让州内政治更加右倾. |
| 21 | I say Idaho is kind of the last stand in America. | 我说爱达荷州是美国最后一家 |
| 22 | We're watching just disarray and chaos at | 我们正看着混乱和混乱 |
| 23 | the national level. | 国家一级。 |
| 24 | And so to me, the states are where the battle has to rage. | 对我而言,各州是战斗必须爆发的地方。 |
| 25 | I wanted to find out how far right is Idaho prepared to go? | 我想知道爱达荷准备走多远? |
| 26 | And what might this mean for | 可能意味着什么 |
| 27 | the identity of the Republican Party? | 共和党的身份? |
| 28 | I'm here in the Magic Valley, which is the agricultural heartland of Idaho. | 我在这里的魔法谷, 这是爱达荷州的农业心脏地带。 |
| 29 | I used to | 我曾经 |
| 30 | here. | 在这里。 |
| 31 | Nailed it. | 钉之. |
| 32 | Perfect. | 不错 |
| 33 | Stay cool. | 保持冷静。 |
| 34 | It's kind of the American, you know, motto right here. | 这是一种美国人,你知道的,座右铭在这里。 |
| 35 | Times are changing, though. | 不过时代正在改变 |
| 36 | Clint Hostetler is one of the hardline conservative politicians who defines the new Republican | 克林特·霍斯特勒(Clint Hostetler)是一位强硬保守的政治家,他定义了新的共和党人. |
| 37 | Party brand in Idaho. | 爱达荷州的政党品牌. |
| 38 | As a true conservative or traditional conservative, I believe in constitutional and individual | 作为一个真正的保守派或传统保守派 我相信宪法和个人 |
| 39 | liberties. | 自由权。 |
| 40 | I believe in protecting our families, traditional family values and our children, | 我相信保护我们的家庭 传统家庭价值观和我们的孩子, |
| 41 | free market principles and lower taxes and, of course, a fiscally restrained, responsible | 自由市场原则和降低税收,当然还有财政限制和负责任的 |
| 42 | and accountable government. | 和负责任的政府。 |
| 43 | Of course, now you have to add in secure elections and secure | 当然,现在你必须增加 安全选举和安全 |
| 44 | borders. | 边框。 |
| 45 | And like many of those who share his beliefs, he only recently moved here from a bluer state. | 像许多信仰相同的人一样 他最近才从一个更蓝的州搬到这里 |
| 46 | We were led here, what I'll say, by the Lord about five years ago. | 大约五年前,我们被领到这里,我要说,是上帝带领的。 |
| 47 | My wife and I grew up | 我妻子和我长大了 |
| 48 | in small farm communities in northern California, and we just watched a once great, very safe, | 在加州北部的小农场里 我们刚刚看到了一个非常安全的地方 |
| 49 | beautiful state just spiral downhill very quickly. | 美丽的状态只是螺旋 下坡非常快。 |
| 50 | When we got here, I felt like we'd moved out of that thick, dark black political oppression | 当我们来到这里,我觉得我们 已经摆脱了厚厚,黑暗的政治压迫 |
| 51 | into the kind of midday sun of traditional Americana and conservative values. | 成为美国传统价值观和保守价值观的午后太阳。 |
| 52 | I know we didn't want California, Oregon, Washington, these this culture and this political | 我知道我们不希望加利福尼亚州,俄勒冈州,华盛顿, 这些文化和政治 |
| 53 | mindset to creep in. | 沉浸在思想中 |
| 54 | So I figured, hey, I'm going to do my part. | 所以我想,嘿, 我要尽我的职责。 |
| 55 | Hostetler didn't specify what oppression he faced in California, but it was this feeling | 霍斯泰特勒没有具体说明他在加州面临什么压迫 但正是这种感觉 |
| 56 | that led him to run for office. | 这导致他竞选公职。 |
| 57 | How you doing, buddy? | 你好吗,伙计? |
| 58 | Can I have a train card? | 能给我一张火车卡吗? |
| 59 | You know, you can get one of each. | 你知道,你可以得到一个每个。 |
| 60 | I tell people I believe we're in a spiritual battle, right? | 我告诉大家,我相信我们是在一场精神斗争,对吧? |
| 61 | As a Christian, that's what I believe. | 作为一名基督徒,我相信这一点。 |
| 62 | We're in a spiritual battle that manifests itself politically and socially like never before. | 我们在一场精神斗争中,在政治和社会上表现了前所未有的精神. |
| 63 | And this spiritual battle, I mean, against who? | 这场精神斗争,我是指,对谁? |
| 64 | Whether that enemy is an extreme leftist Marxist, or if it's Satan, or if it's woke corporations, | 不管那个敌人是极左翼的马克思主义者 还是撒旦,还是被叫醒的公司 |
| 65 | whatever it is, we have to realize there is somebody working against us at certain levels. | 不管是什么,我们必须认识到,有人在某种程度上对我们进行攻击。 |
| 66 | As you try to grasp and conserve, right, what America has always been, people are going | 当你试图抓住和保存,对, 美国一直是什么, 人们去 |
| 67 | to say, you're changing us, and we're like, no, we're just trying to hold, hold the ground. | 说,你正在改变我们, 我们就像,不,我们只是 试图坚持,坚持地面。 |
| 68 | The Republican Party in Idaho has pushed hard-line conservative bills on social issues, including | 爱达荷州的共和党在社会问题上推动强硬保守的法案,包括: |
| 69 | a failed 2022 law that called for jailing librarians who offer books considered, quote, | 一项失败的2022年法律,要求监禁提供书籍的图书管理员, |
| 70 | harmful to minors, a near total abortion ban that health groups say criminalized medically | 几乎完全禁止堕胎,保健团体说,在医学上将堕胎定为犯罪 |
| 71 | necessary procedures and caused Idaho to lose over a third of its OBGYNs, and a bill that | 并导致爱达荷公司损失了三分之一以上的OBGYN 和一项法案 |
| 72 | bans trans athletes from girls sports. | • 禁止女生体育运动员参赛。 |
| 73 | But the state's push for the right has made some lifelong Republicans in this deeply-red | 但州政府推动右翼 使一些终身共和党人 |
| 74 | state feel politically homeless. | 国家感到政治上无家可归。 |
| 75 | We're just going to motor up there and we can talk a little. | 我们只是去汽车那里 我们可以谈谈。 |
| 76 | 我在哪里? 我是谁? Where's the me? | |
| 77 | What does it mean to be a Republican in Idaho today? | 今天在爱达荷州当共和党人是什么意思?. |
| 78 | It's tough. | 难曰. |
| 79 | I have not signed the Republican platform. | 我没有签署共和党纲领。 |
| 80 | Even as an elected Republican? | 即使作为一个当选的共和党人? |
| 81 | As an elected Republican. | 作为当选的共和党人. |
| 82 | There you go. | 给你。 |
| 83 | Just bring him right between those other lines. | 把他带到其他线路之间 |
| 84 | He's fighting a bit, but we got him. | 他有点打架 但我们抓到他了 |
| 85 | I'm an old school Republican, maybe Reagan era type thing. | 我是个老派的共和党人,也许里根时代的类型。 |
| 86 | I believe in business. | и獺 |
| 87 | I believe in excellent education. | 我相信优秀的教育。 |
| 88 | Okay, a little trout. | 好吧,一点点鳟鱼。 |
| 89 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 90 | We've been the recipient of a lot of people moving here as political refugees that have | 我们曾经接待过很多人 作为政治难民来此 |
| 91 | really kind of different ideas than most Idahoans, in my opinion. | 和大多数爱达荷人不同的想法,在我看来。 |
| 92 | They're very, very active politically and very much to the right. | 他们在政治上非常,非常活跃,右派也非常活跃. |
| 93 | The rest of Idaho, the old leave people alone and respect them for what they believe, whether | 爱达荷州的其他人 老人们放过人们 尊重他们相信的 |
| 94 | you agree with it or not, that's kind of gone by the wayside. | 不管你同意与否 这都已经过去了 |
| 95 | Do you still feel like you are a member of the Republican Party as it stands in Idaho today? | 你还觉得今天在爱达荷州是共和党党员吗? |
| 96 | Some parts of it, yes, and other parts, no. | 有些地方,是的,有些地方,没有 |
| 97 | I mean, I've been sanctioned by them because I didn't vote with the Freedom Foundation. | 我的意思是,我得到了他们的认可 因为我没有投票 自由基金会。 |
| 98 | Idaho is under threat always from becoming the next blue state. | 爱达荷州从来就面临成为下一个蓝色州的威胁. |
| 99 | The Idaho Freedom Foundation is a think tank with a lobbying arm that push its conservative values. | 爱达荷自由基金会是一个智囊团,拥有推动其保守价值观的游说臂膀. |
| 100 | They rate politicians and run attack ads against candidates that they think aren't conservative enough. | 他们评价政客,对候选人进行攻击性广告,他们认为这些广告不够保守. |
| 101 | Clint Hostetler在他们的自由指数上有A级评分. | |
| 102 | What was your score from the Idaho Freedom Foundation? | 你从爱达荷自由基金会得了什么分? |
| 103 | I very proudly have an F from them. | 我非常自豪地从他们那里得到一个F。 |
| 104 | Nelson has opposed a slew of Republican sponsored bills. | 尼尔森反对共和党赞助的法案 |
| 105 | This all contributed to his F rating and his censure by local party officials. | 这都促成了他的F级和受到当地党政官员的指责. |
| 106 | Did you feel political backlash from your constituents? | 你感到选民的政治反弹吗? |
| 107 | That just speaks to the division in the Republican Party right now. | 这说明共和党的分裂 |
| 108 | About half the people congratulated and said, thanks for standing up for common sense. | 大约一半的人祝贺并说,谢谢你为常识而站出来。 |
| 109 | And the other half are condemning you as being a liberal. | 另外一半人谴责你是个自由主义者 |
| 110 | Organizations like the Freedom Foundation have had a huge impact on how legislators | 自由基金会等组织对立法者产生了巨大影响。 |
| 111 | vote and how some of my constituents think. | 投票和一些选民的想法。 |
| 112 | The Idaho Freedom Foundation did not respond to our requests for comment. | 爱达荷自由基金会没有回应我们的评论要求。 |
| 113 | They make clear on their website that they don't speak to media. | 他们在其网站上明确表示,他们不会与媒体交谈. |
| 114 | One of the issues the Idaho Freedom Foundation has supported is a hard stance on immigration. | 爱达荷自由基金会支持的问题之一是对移民采取强硬立场。 |
| 115 | That's caused some pushback in the Republican Party, especially among ranchers and the dairy | 这在共和党引起了一些反弹 尤其是牧场主和奶制品 |
| 116 | industry which employs tens of thousands of people and generates nearly $4 billion per | 工业,雇用数以万计的人, |
| 117 | year statewide. | 在全州范围内。 |
| 118 | How many head? | 有多少头? |
| 119 | We're among about 1,600. | 我们大约在1600人之列. |
| 120 | 1,600? | 1600块? |
| 121 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 122 | You know, the dairy industry is struggling now just because of labor more than anything. | 你知道,奶制品业现在正在挣扎 只是因为劳动力比什么都多。 |
| 123 | Why is labor such a struggle right now? | 为什么现在的劳动是这样的斗争? |
| 124 | Politics, if you want the truth. | 政治 如果你想要真相的话 |
| 125 | We've had a representative here in one of our seats that she was hardline immigration | 我们有一个代表在这里 我们的席位,她是强硬移民 |
| 126 | and she lost her seat over it. | 她失去了她的座位 在它。 |
| 127 | That legislator was outgoing Senator Glenita Seiderfeld, one of the politicians who Clint | 那个立法者是即将卸任的参议员 格莱妮塔·塞德费尔德 克林特的政治家之一 |
| 128 | Hostetler说鼓励他跑步. | |
| 129 | Earlier this year, three dairy farms cut business ties with her husband because of her stance | 今年早些时候,由于她的立场,三个奶制品农场 与她丈夫断绝了生意联系 |
| 130 | on immigration. | 移民问题。 |
| 131 | A Magic Valley senator puts three dairies on blast for ending business relationships | 一个魔法谷参议员为结束商业关系 准备了三张日记 |
| 132 | with her husband. | 她和她丈夫在一起 和他丈夫在一起的时候 |
| 133 | Hiring illegals is against the law. | 雇佣违法者是违法的. |
| 134 | Sorry you don't like this politics. | 抱歉你不喜欢这种政治 |
| 135 | Seiderfeld did not respond to our multiple requests for comment. | 塞德尔费尔德没有回应我们多次要求评论的请求. |
| 136 | In the latest primaries, she and four other hardline conservatives were voted out by more | 在最新的初选中,她和其他四个强硬保守派 被更多的人淘汰 |
| 137 | moderate voters like David Silva. | 像大卫·席尔瓦这样的温和选民。 |
| 138 | I'm more senseless, not a hard writer, a hard left. | 我更无脑,不是刻薄的作家,是刻薄的左派. |
| 139 | I mean, what's your message to some of those state and local politicians, some who got | 我的意思是,你有什么信息 这些州和地方政治家, 一些谁得到了 |
| 140 | sued out? | 被起诉了? |
| 141 | You've got to be open-minded, right? | 你必须开明,对不对? |
| 142 | I mean, my folks came from Portugal with five kids in tow, not speaking the language, but | 我的意思是,我的父母来自葡萄牙 有五个孩子在拖, 不说语言,但 |
| 143 | they made it work, right? | 他们成功了,对吧? |
| 144 | And sometimes you got to have a little compassion for the people, not just, this is what we're | 有时候你必须有点同情人民 不只是这样 |
| 145 | going to do and if you don't fit this mold, you're out. | 如果你不适应这个模具,你就出局了 |
| 146 | That's not right. | 这不对 |
| 147 | Christina Lourdes is a fifth-generation Idahoan. | 克里斯蒂娜·卢尔德斯是第五代爱达荷安人. |
| 148 | She's covered Idaho politics for over a decade. | 她报道了爱达荷州政治长达十余年. |
| 149 | I think people need to understand just how Republican Idaho is. | 我想人们需要了解爱达荷州共和党人的情况 |
| 150 | The political battles are between the more moderate part of the Republican Party and | 共和党比较温和的部分和 |
| 151 | the far right. | 最右边 |
| 152 | Has the far right in Idaho hit a ceiling? | 爱达荷州的远处有天花板吗? |
| 153 | No. | 没有 |
| 154 | No, I don't think so. | 不,我不这么认为。 |
| 155 | I think it's all going to depend on if people continue to move here for the reasons that | 我想这都取决于人们是否继续搬到这里 |
| 156 | we're starting to see that they have. | 我们开始看到他们有。 |
| 157 | Idaho feels like a safe place for a lot of people that are really looking for a conservative | 爱达荷州对很多人来说 是个安全的地方 很多人在寻找保守派 |
| 158 | place to be and a conservative place to raise their family. | 和保守的地方 抚养他们的家庭。 |
| 159 | If this continues to become a safe haven for very far-right, politically-minded people, | 如果这继续成为极右翼政治思想人士的避风港, |
| 160 | people that are okay with taking rights away from LGBTQ people, people that do feel like | 喜欢夺走LGBTQ的人的权利的人 |
| 161 | should go to private education. | 应当接受私人教育。 |
| 162 | The state of Idaho is the first state to pass an anti-transgender athlete bill. | 爱达荷州是第一个通过反变性运动员法案的州. |
| 163 | I do think things will pass here before they'll pass elsewhere and it can create case law | 我觉得事情会经过这里 然后再经过别处 就能形成判例法 |
| 164 | and set precedents and send things to the U.S. Supreme Court. | 并设立先例 并送东西 美国最高法院。 |
| 165 | The fear voiced by some Idahoans is that out-of-staters are trying to turn Idaho into something it | 一些爱达荷人表示的恐惧是,不守规矩的人想把爱达荷变成这样 |
| 166 | never was. | 从来没有。 |
| 167 | And the fear voiced by some of the further right conservatives is that Idaho is at risk | 而一些更右翼的保守派 表达的恐惧 是爱达荷处于危险之中 |
| 168 | of being pulled to the left. | 被拉到左边 |
| 169 | I went to one of the spots in the state, up in the mountains, where this is all playing | 我去了州里的一个地方, 在山上,这里一切都在播放 |
| 170 | out. | 出来。 |
| 171 | A place I spent a lot of time as a kid backpacking, hiking, and fishing. | 我小时候花了很多时间 背包 徒步旅行和钓鱼 |
| 172 | So, Robbie, you've been coming here a while? | 罗比,你来这多久了? |
| 173 | Yeah, I have been coming here ever since I was a little kid. | 我从小就来这里 |
| 174 | My family took me to Redfish Lake all the time. | 家人一直带我去红鱼湖 |
| 175 | Yeah, what's your favorite thing on the menu? | 菜单上你最喜欢的是什么? |
| 176 | Oatmeal pancakes. | 燕麦煎饼. |
| 177 | Before every hike, before every backpacking trip, I always need oatmeal pancakes. | 每次远足之前,每次背包旅行之前,我总是需要燕麦薄饼. |
| 178 | Tim Kron is a different kind of out-of-stater. | 蒂姆·克朗(英语:Tim Kron)是异种的外州人. |
| 179 | He moved here in the 90s as a ski bunt. | 他90年代搬来这里当滑雪机 |
| 180 | He's been here ever since, running a popular bakery with his wife. | 此后他一直和妻子一起经营一家受欢迎的面包店. |
| 181 | And for the first time, he can see the potential for an independent candidate. | 而他第一次可以看到独立候选人的潜力. |
| 182 | There's now candidates that are running as independents that are giving Idahoans a real | 现在有候选人作为独立人士竞选 给爱达荷人一个真正的 |
| 183 | alternative to what has been going on on the federal and local level for a long time. | 在联邦和地方各级已经发生很长时间了。 |
| 184 | People who are concerned about selling off of public lands, people who want to work across | 关心出售公共土地的人, 想要工作的人 |
| 185 | the aisle with both Democrats and Republicans. | 与民主党和共和党的过道。 |
| 186 | The tilt even further right isn't uniform across Idaho, though. | 更右侧的倾斜 并不像爱达荷州那样统一 |
| 187 | Take Todd Achilles, an independent candidate who is mounting the first credible non-Republican | 带上托德·阿基里斯 一个独立候选人 他正在组建第一个可信的非共和党人 |
| 188 | campaign in years against longtime Senator James Risch in this year's midterm elections. | 今年的中期选举 反对长期参议员詹姆斯·里希 |
| 189 | In one of our polls that we released about a month ago, about 75% of Idahoans said, | 大约75%的爱达荷人说, |
| 190 | I want a politician that's going to work with both sides of the aisle. | 我要一个政治家 和走道的两边合作 |
| 191 | I mean, those are real Idaho Western values. | 我的意思是,这些都是真正的爱达荷西部价值观。 |
| 192 | Nonpartisan polling of this race is scant, but polls that are publicly available show | 这场选举的无党派投票寥寥无几, |
| 193 | Achilles' chances of victory are slim. | 阿基里斯的胜利机会很小. |
| 194 | Still, the rise of independent candidates like Achilles may be an unintended consequence | 然而,像阿基里斯这样的独立候选人的崛起可能是一个意外的后果。 |
| 195 | for the hard-rights push into Idaho. | 以权利为重 推进爱达荷州。 |
| 196 | It's the more they try to impose like all the social issues, you know, dictate how people | 他们越是试图像所有社会问题一样强加, 你知道,如何支配人们 |
| 197 | just look at all the laws that go through the Idaho legislature that are almost all | 看看所有通过爱达荷州立法机构的法律 几乎都是 |
| 198 | social issues. | 社会问题。 |
| 199 | The more you dictate that, the more you offend people. | 你越是执意这样 你就越冒犯别人 |
| 200 | So in other words, you think the far-right in Idaho is actually pushing more Idahoans | 换句话说,你认为爱达荷州的极右派 正在推动更多的爱达荷人 |
| 201 | to the center or even the left? | 中间还是左边? |
| 202 | Very much so. | 甚处来. |
| 203 | Idaho isn't turning blue anytime soon. | 爱达荷不会很快变蓝 |
| 204 | But with President Trump no longer on the ballot, Idaho's politics could be an early | 但是,由于川普总统不再参加投票,爱达荷州的政治可能很早 |
| 205 | indicator of the Republican Party's direction nationwide. | 全国共和党方向指标。 |
| 206 | I saw firsthand the energy behind this surge of support for a new generation of hardline | 我亲眼目睹了 支持新一代强硬派的能量 |
| 207 | conservative leaders. | 保守派领袖. |
| 208 | But at the same time, I also saw pushback from longtime Idahoans who yearn for the days | 但与此同时,我还看到 长期爱达荷人推回 谁渴望的日子 |
| 209 | of more traditional politics. | 更传统的政治。 |
| 210 | Ultimately, Idaho is a litmus test for the rest of the country. | 归根结底,爱达荷是全国其他地方的试金石。 |
| 211 | Will hardline conservatives hit a wall, or will they surge in popularity? | 强硬的保守派会撞上墙吗? |
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