从独立厅到自由钟 宾州州长从建国历史谈到当前政治分歧 | 2
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:06 | Welcome to the Pennsylvania State House. | 欢迎来到宾夕法尼亚州议会 |
| 0:08 | It's great to be here. | 赞曰. |
| 0:09 | So this is where they signed the Declaration of Independence. | 这就是他们签署独立宣言的地方。 |
| 0:13 | 1776. | 1776 (英语). |
| 0:14 | They signed the Declaration of Independence here. | 他们在这里签署了独立宣言. |
| 0:17 | They come back a decade later and they work on the Constitution and they sign the Constitution. | 他们十年后回来,致力于宪法,并签署宪法。 |
| 0:22 | All of the laws within the federal government and the balance, the fact that that was born | 联邦政府内部的所有法律以及平衡, 事实的诞生 |
| 0:28 | in this room. | 在这个房间里。 |
| 0:28 | Right here. | 就在这里。 |
| 0:30 | It's extraordinary. | 异乎寻常. |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Welcome to the Pennsylvania State House. | 欢迎来到宾夕法尼亚州议会 |
| 2 | It's great to be here. | 赞曰. |
| 3 | So this is where they signed the Declaration of Independence. | 这就是他们签署独立宣言的地方。 |
| 4 | 1776. | 1776 (英语). |
| 5 | They signed the Declaration of Independence here. | 他们在这里签署了独立宣言. |
| 6 | They come back a decade later and they work on the Constitution and they sign the Constitution. | 他们十年后回来,致力于宪法,并签署宪法。 |
| 7 | All of the laws within the federal government and the balance, the fact that that was born | 联邦政府内部的所有法律以及平衡, 事实的诞生 |
| 8 | in this room. | 在这个房间里。 |
| 9 | Right here. | 就在这里。 |
| 10 | It's extraordinary. | 异乎寻常. |
| 11 | Right here in this relatively small room in the city of Philadelphia, all of those different | 就在费城这个相对较小的房间里 所有不同的房间 |
| 12 | interests came together and found their way through it to declare our independence from | 利益集团汇聚一堂,设法宣布我们独立 |
| 13 | a king and then to set up the guardrails. | 一个国王 然后设置护栏 |
| 14 | One of my favorite stories in this room is Franklin, who was known to sit on an aisle. | 我最喜欢的故事之一 在这个房间里是富兰克林, 他众所周知坐在一个过道上。 |
| 15 | We believe in this chair here. | 我们相信这把椅子 |
| 16 | We believe he was fixated on George Washington, who was sitting up in that chair and what | 我们相信他迷恋乔治·华盛顿 他坐在那把椅子上 |
| 17 | on the top edge of that chair, you can see half of a sun. | 在椅子的顶端 你可以看见半个太阳 |
| 18 | He was fixated the whole time on trying to determine whether or not the sun was rising | 他一直想着确定太阳是否升起 |
| 19 | where the sun was setting. | 太阳落下的地方 |
| 20 | And at the end of the Constitutional Convention, he rose to his feet and announced to the founders | 在宪法会议结束时 他站起来 向创始人宣布 |
| 21 | of our nation that he believed it was a rising sun and the bright days were ahead. | 他相信太阳升起 光明的日子即将来临 |
| 22 | I think that that gives me chills every time I see that chair to know that Franklin left | 我觉得每次我看到那把椅子 就知道富兰克林走了 我就觉得很冷淡 |
| 23 | this room with all of the challenges, even after speaking about how the Constitution | 这间屋子充满挑战 甚至在谈论宪法之后 |
| 24 | was was imperfect. | 这是不完美的。 |
| 25 | He still thought it was a rising sun. | 他仍然认为是太阳升起 |
| 26 | He still had optimism in this new nation. | 他在这个新国家里仍然乐观. |
| 27 | It's an optimism I share today. | 今天我和大家一样乐观 |
| 28 | You do. | 没错 |
| 29 | I do. | 当然 |
| 30 | I think that optimism is something that's always defined America. | 我认为乐观是永远定义美国的东西. |
| 31 | Even in this temporary moment where it feels dark and heavy, I think the sun is still rising. | 即使在这个暂时的时刻,它感到黑暗和沉重,我觉得太阳仍在升起. |
| 32 | Things are hard now, but not nearly as hard as creating an entire democratic government | 事情是艰难的,但 几乎不像创建整个民主政府那么艰难 |
| 33 | from whole cloth, which is what happened here. | 从整个布,这就是这里发生的事情。 |
| 34 | Things are hard now, I think, because of the excesses and the corruption and the chaos | 事情现在很艰难,我想, 因为过度,腐败和混乱 |
| 35 | of the executive, something that our founders in this room debated, deliberated over. | 我们的创始人在本会议室辩论过, 讨论过。 |
| 36 | They were worried about creating a government where a king could form again, where one individual | 他们担心建立一个政府 一个国王可以重新组成, 一个个人 |
| 37 | would amass so much power that you'd have tyranny all over again. | 将集聚如此强大的权力, 你会有暴政 一遍又一遍。 |
| 38 | I fear that we are finding our way back to that. | 我担心我们会找到回路 |
| 39 | I think, unfortunately, you have some profoundly and pathetically weak individuals in Congress | 很遗憾,你国会里有些 极度软弱的人 |
| 40 | who could learn a few lessons from the strong foundation that the founders set for us here | 他们可以从创始人在这里为我们奠定的坚实基础中吸取一些教训。 |
| 41 | in this room. | 在这个房间里。 |
| 42 | You want to take me to see the Liberty Belt? | 你想带我去看自由带吗? |
| 43 | Let's go see the Liberty Belt. | 让我们去看看自由带。 |
| 44 | So there's a quote, proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof. | 因此,有一句引言,宣布所有土地的所有居民享有自由. |
| 45 | How do you interpret that in 2026? | 2026年你怎么解释? |
| 46 | I think as a nation, over the last two and a half centuries, we've been working to expand | 我认为作为一个国家, 在过去两个半世纪里, 我们一直在努力扩张 |
| 47 | liberty and we've been working to expand the promise of freedom. | 我们一直在努力扩大自由的希望 |
| 48 | Only more recently do we have an executive who, again, I think has accumulated way more | 最近我们才有一位执行官 我想他已经积累了更多 |
| 49 | power than our founders would have hoped or would have liked, who's trying to restrict | 我们的创始人希望或希望的 力量 试图限制 |
| 50 | liberty, who's trying to put a litmus test on who gets more liberty than others. | 自由,谁试图用试金石测试 谁得到比其他人更多的自由。 |
| 51 | I think it's really dangerous and destructive, the language the president, by the way, even | 我觉得这真的很危险和破坏性, 总统的语言,顺便说一句,甚至 |
| 52 | more so the vice president, uses that tries to separate out certain Americans and determine | 更像是副总统 利用这个办法 将某些美国人分开 |
| 53 | which one gets liberty, which one gets freedom and which one does not. | 获得自由 获得自由 而没有自由 |
| 54 | What do you mean about the vice president? | 你说副总统是什么意思? |
| 55 | What words or what arguments do you think he's making that you said even more so than | 你觉得他说什么 或什么争论 你这样说比 |
| 56 | the president concerned you? | 总统关心你? |
| 57 | I think in many ways his speeches overseas, many of the comments he's made here at home | 我从很多方面认为他在国外的演讲, 他在国内发表的许多评论 |
| 58 | are designed to divide and separate Americans, trying to define what is an American outside | 试图定义什么是美国人的外在 |
| 59 | the bounds of what the law indicates or what the Constitution. | 法律规定的界限或宪法的界限。 |
| 60 | Are you talking about religion? | 你在说宗教吗? |
| 61 | What are you referring to? | 你在说什么? |
| 62 | I think it's religion, I think it's race, I think it's origin. | 我认为这是宗教,我认为是种族,我认为是起源. |
| 63 | I think we have a president and vice president who are trying not to lift up all Americans, | 我认为我们有一个总统和副总统 他们试图不提升所有美国人, |
| 64 | but to divide Americans and to try and put us in different buckets, different tiers and | 把我们放在不同的桶里 不同的层层 |
| 65 | try and say who's more American than someone else. | 试着说谁比别人更像美国人 |
| 66 | And that in and of itself is un-American. | 这本身就是非美国人的 |
| 67 | So from the Liberty Belt to La Colombe, two great Philadelphia institutions. | 所以从自由带到拉科隆贝 两个伟大的费城机构 |
| 68 | It's a Philly day, Philly boy. | 今天是费城日,费城男孩。 |
| 69 | There was a NBC poll that just came out that found fewer and fewer Americans say they're | 有个NBC的民意调查刚刚出来 发现越来越多的美国人说他们是 |
| 70 | proud of this country. | 为这个国家感到骄傲。 |
| 71 | Kamala Harris voters, only 12% say they were extremely proud. | 卡马拉·哈里斯的选民,只有12%的人说他们非常自豪. |
| 72 | What do you make of that? | 你觉得呢? |
| 73 | Well, I'm a proud, patriotic American. | 我是个骄傲的爱国美国人 |
| 74 | I think we live in the greatest country on the face of the earth and we have a lot of | 我认为我们生活在地球上最伟大的国家 我们有很多 |
| 75 | work to do to make sure that the promise of liberty that you and I talked about across | 努力确保 你和我说的自由的承诺 |
| 76 | the street is something that everyone can enjoy. | 街道是每个人都能享受的 |
| 77 | We've got to fix our health care system. | 要健全医疗卫生体系. |
| 78 | Our economy has too many challenges in it. | 我们的经济面临着太多的挑战。 |
| 79 | So while I am proud to be a patriotic American, while I'm proud to live in this country, I'm | 所以,虽然我为做一个爱国的美国人而感到骄傲,虽然我为生活在这个国家而感到骄傲,但是,我仍然感到骄傲。 |
| 80 | also mindful that we have work to do and I don't think that's mutually exclusive. | 也意识到我们还有工作要做, 我不认为这是相互排斥的。 |
| 81 | I think one of the things that the founders made clear is that we were going to be a | 我认为创始人所阐明的一件事就是 我们将要成为一个 |
| 82 | nation that was a work in progress and we have a lot of work to do. | 我们还有很多工作要做。 |
| 83 | A recent CNN poll, again, shows just 28% of Americans hold a favorable view of your party. | 最近有线电视新闻网的民调再次显示,只有28%的美国人对你的党持有有利的观点。 |
| 84 | Does that surprise you? | 你惊讶吗? |
| 85 | I think what needs to happen is Democrats need to deliver the way we do here in Pennsylvania. | 我认为,需要发生的情况是,民主党必须像我们在宾夕法尼亚州所做的那样。 |
| 86 | Deliver on things that make people's lives better. | 提供能改善人们生活的东西。 |
| 87 | And I think what we've got to focus on, not just as a party, but in politics in general, | 我认为我们所要关注的, 不只是作为一个政党, 而且在一般的政治, |
| 88 | are real deliverables for people on getting stuff done for people and shying away from | 给人们带来真正的成就 让他们为人们做事情 并躲避 |
| 89 | this performative politics that just makes noise, but doesn't make anybody's life better. | 这种表演性的政治 只会制造噪音 但不会让任何人的生活更美好 |
| 90 | And what specifically or who specifically are you referring to in performative politics? | 你在表演政治中具体指谁? |
| 91 | I think the Congress of the United States has largely been about performative politics. | 我认为,美国国会主要致力于执行政治。 |
| 92 | And yeah, I think you've seen people largely on both extremes that engage in performative | 是啊,我想你见过的人 基本上在两个极端 从事表演 |
| 93 | politics that might get some likes on Twitter, might, and I mean this respectfully, get your | 政治可能会在推特上得到一些喜欢, 可能,我的意思是 恭敬地,得到你的 |
| 94 | attention in the media, but doesn't actually make someone's life better. | 媒体的关注,但实际上并没有让某人的生活更美好. |
| 95 | But I do want to ask about one candidate in particular who almost certainly will be in | 但我确实想问一个候选人 特别是谁几乎肯定会加入 |
| 96 | the United States Congress, Daria Lisa Avila Chevalier. | 美国国会,达里亚·丽莎·阿维拉·谢瓦利埃。 |
| 97 | She was a PhD candidate at Columbia, an organizer. | 她是哥伦比亚大学的博士候选人 组织者 |
| 98 | She called for the abolition of prisons, open borders, ended deportations, even people convicted | 她呼吁废除监狱、开放边界、结束驱逐,甚至包括被判有罪的人。 |
| 99 | of violent crimes. | 暴力犯罪。 暴力犯罪。 |
| 100 | She attended a pro-Palestinian rally on October 8th, 2023, a rally that reportedly featured | 她参加了2023年10月8日的亲巴勒斯坦集会,据报道,该集会的特点是: |
| 101 | some real anti-Semitic rhetoric, justifying the attack. | 一些真正的反犹言论, 为这次攻击辩护。 |
| 102 | How do you feel as a Democrat about someone with those views being in the United States Congress? | 对于那些观点出现在美国国会的人,你作为民主党人有何感想? |
| 103 | Mila, her district voted for her, but I have profound differences from that particular | Mila 她的选区投了她一票 但我和那个 |
| 104 | candidate based on the citations that you read there. | 根据你在那里读到的引文, |
| 105 | And she's not someone who seemingly I would agree with on many things or that we share | 她不是一个看起来我同意 在许多事情或我们分享的人 |
| 106 | similar values. | 类似值。 |
| 107 | She ran on the Democratic ticket, I guess, as a socialist. | 我猜她以社会主义者的身份在民主党的票上跑 |
| 108 | Her voters in that district determined that she was the one they wanted representing her. | 她在该区的选民决定,她就是他们想要代表她的人。 |
| 109 | What does that tell you about your party? | 这告诉你什么 关于你的派对? |
| 110 | I think what our party has to go through that will be very healthy and something we've not | 我认为我们党必须经历的 将是非常健康的 和我们没有的东西 |
| 111 | really done since the 1992 election cycle is to have a battle over what we believe in, | 自从1992年选举周期以来 真正的成就就是为我们所相信的而斗争 |
| 112 | to have a battle over the ideas that we are going to hold on to and campaign on and then | 争先恐后地讨论我们将要持之以恒的想法 |
| 113 | deliver on as a way to make people's lives better. | 作为改善人们生活的一种方式。 |
| 114 | And I expect our party over the course of this next year or so to go through a battle | 我希望我们的党在明年左右 经历一场战斗 |
| 115 | about what we believe in and then come out unified in a way that we can take the fight | 关于我们所相信的,然后统一出来 以我们可以采取战斗的方式 |
| 116 | to the other side and really deliver for the American people. | 并真正为美国人民服务。 |
| 117 | I've heard you talk about how one of the ways that you connect with people in Pennsylvania | 我听说你和宾夕法尼亚州的人联系的方式之一 |
| 118 | who maybe don't agree with you on a lot of things is through faith and that you talk | 也许不认同你很多事情 是因为信仰和你说 |
| 119 | about your faith, even though it's different from a lot of your constituents. | 虽然这和你很多选民不同 |
| 120 | And that is kind of an entry point. | 这是某种进入点。 |
| 121 | And I'm wondering right now, seeing what we are seeing, whether or not you think as a | 我现在在想 看看我们所看到的 你是否认为自己是 |
| 122 | You could get beyond Pennsylvania if you wanted to in the Democratic primary system. | 如果你想进入民主党初级系统,你可以超越宾夕法尼亚州。 |
| 123 | Well, look, I'm not going to focus on sort of what happens in twenty twenty eight. | 好吧,你看,我不打算专注于 某种情况下在28。 |
| 124 | But what I can tell you is when I ran for governor in twenty twenty two and now as I'm | 但我能告诉你的是 当我在二十二年竞选州长 而现在我 |
| 125 | running for reelection as Pennsylvania governor, I've been very open about how faith and | 竞选连任宾夕法尼亚州长, 我非常开放 如何信仰和 |
| 126 | family guide me in this life of service. | 家庭指导我在这个服务生活。 |
| 127 | But do you think that that will hurt either you or another person who might run | 但你觉得这样会伤害你还是会伤害另一个人吗? |
| 128 | whose Jewish in your party, given the climate right now? | 鉴于现在的气候,谁的犹太人在你党里? |
| 129 | Look, first, I think Pennsylvania is the the ultimate swing state and America can learn | 首先,我认为宾夕法尼亚州是终极摇摆状态 美国可以学习 |
| 130 | a lot from what happens here in Pennsylvania politically and and otherwise. | 和宾夕法尼亚州发生的政治和其他事件有关 |
| 131 | What I have found in my years of service in government is that the public wants you to | 我在政府任职的年代里 发现公众希望你 |
| 132 | be who you are, the authentic. | 成为真正的你 |
| 133 | Let them know what motivates you to serve and why you do this work. | 让他们知道什么激励你 服务,为什么你做这项工作。 |
| 134 | My faith teaches me that no one's required to complete the task, but neither are we | 我的信仰教会我,没有人需要完成这项任务, 但我们也不是 |
| 135 | free to refrain from it. | 自由地避免它。 |
| 136 | Very similar to what Ben Franklin preached about citizen | 和本·富兰克林关于公民的传教非常相似 |
| 137 | participation in our Commonwealth, in our country, in perfecting our union. | 参加我们的英联邦,我们的国家, 完善我们的联盟。 |
| 138 | I think that that is uniquely American. | 我认为那是独特的美国人。 |
| 139 | This idea that we all have a responsibility to get off the sidelines, get in the game | 这个想法,我们都有责任 走出边缘,进入游戏 |
| 140 | and do our part. | 并尽我们的职责。 |
| 141 | That's what my faith teaches me. | 这就是我的信仰教导我。 |
| 142 | That's how my family raised me. | 我家就是这样抚养我的 |
| 143 | That is who I am, and I'm not going to apologize for it. | 这就是我, 我不会为此道歉。 |
| 144 | So this was the president's house, right? | 所以这是总统的房子,对不对? |
| 145 | George Washington. | 乔治·华盛顿 |
| 146 | That's right. | 没错 |
| 147 | Yeah, you're here at a time of real controversy, right? | 是啊,你在这里 在一个真正的争议,对不对? |
| 148 | You'll notice that there's kind of these brackets here, right? | 你会发现这里有这种括号吧? |
| 149 | And you sort of wonder what like what's going on? | 你有点想知道发生了什么? |
| 150 | Why would they leave this here? | 他们为什么要把这个留在这? |
| 151 | It's because the Trump administration came in and ordered that some of the images | 因为川普政府进来 下令拍摄一些照片 |
| 152 | here that were depicting slavery be torn down. | 这里描绘的奴隶制被摧毁 |
| 153 | We went to court and we won and we're in the process of litigating, getting these | 我们上法庭赢了 我们正准备起诉 拿到这些 |
| 154 | put back up. | 举起手来 |
| 155 | And this isn't just about slavery. | 这不仅仅是奴隶制 |
| 156 | It's specifically about the slaves that George Washington had when he was here. | 具体讲述的是乔治·华盛顿在这里时的奴隶. |
| 157 | What do you think the Trump administration wanted this taken down in advance of 250 or | 你认为特朗普政府想在250美元之前 将它拆掉吗? |
| 158 | just in general? | 只是一般性的吗? |
| 159 | They're trying to rewrite it in a way that they think is suitable to their own | 他们试图重写它的方式 他们认为适合自己的 |
| 160 | narrative. | 说明。 |
| 161 | There's not one individual narrative that a president gets about our | 没有一个个人的叙述 一个总统得到我们 |
| 162 | history. | 历史 |
| 163 | There is our history. | 这是我们的历史。 |
| 164 | And any president should want to make sure that that full history is shared, that the | 任何总统都应该确保 共享完整的历史 |
| 165 | American people are able to draw their own conclusions from. | 美国人民能够从中得出自己的结论. |
| 166 | American people are smart. | 美国人很聪明 |
| 167 | They're able to draw their conclusions. | 他们能够得出他们的结论。 |
| 168 | And I believe that when you give them access to that full history, that that's | 我相信当你让他们了解整个历史时 那就是 |
| 169 | empowering, especially at this moment, the 250 years where we take stock in this | 特别是此时此刻,我们评价250年来 |
| 170 | great American experiment. | 伟大的美国实验。 |
| 171 | We understand where we came from and we're going to have a better path forward. | 我们了解我们来自哪里,我们将有一个更好的前进道路。 |
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