德劳罗众议员与国土安全部部长爆发激烈冲突 | 2026.6.
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:01 | I'll pay no attention to the remediation session, Mr. Chairman. | 主席先生,我将不注意补救会议。 |
| 0:05 | I do appreciate, Mr. Secretary, your concern about the lost children, but I also want to | 部长先生,我很感激你对失去孩子的关心 但我也想 |
| 0:13 | remind people that let's not forget what was a Trump administration policy initiated | 提醒人们不要忘记什么是特朗普政府政策 |
| 0:20 | by Stephen Miller, which was to let us separate children from their families at the border | 由Stephen Miller主演, 也就是让我们在边境把孩子和家人分开 |
| 0:29 | because this would be a way to curtail or to stop immigration, separating children from | 因为这会减少或阻止移民,使儿童脱离 |
| 0:38 | their families, how to hurt them the most. | 他们的家人,如何伤害他们的最大。 |
| 0:41 | I asked and had a phone conversation with Secretary Azar at the time. | 我问了一下 和阿扎尔国务卿通过电话 |
| 0:46 | I know I was in my living room with my two-year-old grandson on my lap trying to have this conversation, | 我知道我和我的两岁孙子在我的客厅里 试图有这个对话, |
| 0:53 | and I asked him if there was a way in which he had a list of how you could reunite children | 我问他是否有办法让他知道 你如何让孩子们团聚 |
| 1:04 | with their families, and he assured me that we did. | 他向我保证,我们做到了。 |
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| 1 | I'll pay no attention to the remediation session, Mr. Chairman. | 主席先生,我将不注意补救会议。 |
| 2 | I do appreciate, Mr. Secretary, your concern about the lost children, but I also want to | 部长先生,我很感激你对失去孩子的关心 但我也想 |
| 3 | remind people that let's not forget what was a Trump administration policy initiated | 提醒人们不要忘记什么是特朗普政府政策 |
| 4 | by Stephen Miller, which was to let us separate children from their families at the border | 由Stephen Miller主演, 也就是让我们在边境把孩子和家人分开 |
| 5 | because this would be a way to curtail or to stop immigration, separating children from | 因为这会减少或阻止移民,使儿童脱离 |
| 6 | their families, how to hurt them the most. | 他们的家人,如何伤害他们的最大。 |
| 7 | I asked and had a phone conversation with Secretary Azar at the time. | 我问了一下 和阿扎尔国务卿通过电话 |
| 8 | I know I was in my living room with my two-year-old grandson on my lap trying to have this conversation, | 我知道我和我的两岁孙子在我的客厅里 试图有这个对话, |
| 9 | and I asked him if there was a way in which he had a list of how you could reunite children | 我问他是否有办法让他知道 你如何让孩子们团聚 |
| 10 | with their families, and he assured me that we did. | 他向我保证,我们做到了。 |
| 11 | You know, when you take your clothes to the cleaners, they give you a tag, and you then | 你知道,当你把你的衣服 到清洁工, 他们给你标签,然后你 |
| 12 | go back and you retrieve your clothes. | 回去,你拿回你的衣服。 |
| 13 | When you get luggage, you go and your luggage is returned. | 当你得到行李,你去 和你的行李返回。 |
| 14 | I wish the Biden administration would have done that. | 我希望拜登政府会这样做 |
| 15 | Let me just say this to you, sir. | 让我告诉你,先生。 |
| 16 | Again, it is my time. | 现在轮到我了 |
| 17 | 3,900 children were separated from their families. | 3 900名儿童与家人分离。 |
| 18 | 450,000 kids were lost during the Biden administration. | 拜登执政期间损失了45万个孩子. |
| 19 | Mr. Secretary, do not interrupt. | 秘书先生,不要打断 |
| 20 | Don't you point your finger at me. | 别指着我 |
| 21 | I will point my finger at you. | 我会指着你 |
| 22 | Don't you be a hypocrite then. | 那你就别装伪君子了 |
| 23 | 3,900 kids. | 3900个孩子。 |
| 24 | You should be as upset about the 450,000 kids that were lost. | 你应该为失去的45万孩子而难过 |
| 25 | You didn't say a word about it. | 你根本没说 |
| 26 | For four years, you never said a word. | 四年来,你从没说过一句话 |
| 27 | Mr. Secretary. | 秘书先生 |
| 28 | Could you put him in his place first? | 你能先把他放在他的位置吗? |
| 29 | Don't yell at me. | 别对我吼 |
| 30 | You should put him in your place. | 你应该让他代替你 |
| 31 | Mr. Secretary, if you would like four minutes for a closing statement when everybody's done, | 秘书先生,如果你需要四分钟的闭幕词 当每个人都做, |
| 32 | I'll give you that. | 我给你这个。 |
| 33 | But while members are on their eight minutes, I need them to have their eight minutes. | 但是,在成员们进入八分钟时,我需要他们有八分钟。 |
| 34 | I started my comments. | 我开始评论。 |
| 35 | Mr. Chairman, I appreciate that. | 主席先生,我对此表示赞赏。 |
| 36 | My issue is that they say this for sound bites, and I'm not going to let them say something | 我的问题是,他们说这是为了 声音咬,我不会让他们说什么 |
| 37 | What did you do just recently for sound bites? | 你最近做了什么声音咬? |
| 38 | I sympathize with the 400,000. | 我同情这40万 |
| 39 | We are going to have something resembling order here. | 我们这里会有相似的订单 |
| 40 | The time is the ranking members. | 时间是排名成员. |
| 41 | If you would like to respond later on, there are methods to do that, but it's not a who | 如果你想稍后回复, 有方法做到这一点, 但这不是谁 |
| 42 | can talk louder into the mic. | 麦克风能大声点 |
| 43 | It's not. | 这不是。 |
| 44 | So you are recognized. | 所以,你被认出来了。 |
| 45 | Thank you very much. | 谢谢 |
| 46 | I will not let her sit there and lie and accuse something this ridiculous. | 我不会让她坐在那里撒谎 指责这样可笑的事 |
| 47 | This is the legislative branch, and it's my hearing, and so I'm going to try to some extent | 这是立法部门,这是我的听证会, 所以我要尝试某种程度 |
| 48 | to control it moderately. | 来控制它 |
| 49 | And do not accuse me of lying. | 别指责我撒谎 |
| 50 | Do not. | 别 |
| 51 | And I do not. | 我没有。 |
| 52 | I appreciate, and I said to you at the outset, there is concern for children across the board. | 我很感激,我一开始就对你说,儿童受到普遍关注。 |
| 53 | We care deeply about what's happening to children. | 我们非常关心孩子的遭遇。 |
| 54 | And I went to the border and I watched children in those fenced-in places years ago and what | 我去了边境,我看着孩子们 在那些栅栏的地方 几年前,什么 |
| 55 | was happening to them. | 发生在他们身上。 |
| 56 | So I have a long history, Mr. Secretary, in this area, 3,900 kids were separated. | 因此,我有一个很长的历史, 秘书先生, 在这个领域,3900个孩子被分离。 |
| 57 | Secretary Azar told me he had a way to reunite them. | 秘书 阿扎尔告诉我他有办法让他们团聚 |
| 58 | Many of them were not reunited till today. | 他们中许多人直到今天才团聚。 |
| 59 | And I don't want you to answer this now. | 我不想让你现在回答这个问题。 |
| 60 | Please get back to us and tell us what you are doing with regard to the settlement in | 请回到我们这里 告诉我们你在做什么 关于和解 |
| 61 | terms of this issue, which is out there, which your department needs to come close to. | 这是你部门需要接近的问题 |
| 62 | I'll make a statement to you again, but this is fact from the bill, Mr. Chairman. | 我会再给你一个声明 但这是法案上的事实,主席先生 |
| 63 | The bill that the Republicans have proposed for funding the Department of Homeland Security | 共和党人提出的资助国土安全部的法案 |
| 64 | cuts cybersecurity budget by more than $250 million. | 网络安全预算削减2.5亿多元. |
| 65 | It cuts the TSA by nearly $350 million. | 它将TSA削减了近3.5亿美元. |
| 66 | And the Trump administration is openly advocating for privatizing TSA while trying to eliminate | 特朗普政府公开主张将TSA私有化, |
| 67 | their collective bargaining rights. | 他们的集体谈判权利。 |
| 68 | We all know what happened earlier this year. | 我们都知道今年早些时候发生了什么。 |
| 69 | TSA workers endured the longest government shutdown in history. | TSA的工人经受了历史上最长的政府停工。 |
| 70 | There was a lot of discussion and talk invoked about the long lines and the use of leverage | 有很多关于长线和杠杆作用的讨论和讨论 |
| 71 | to force through a Homeland Security bill without any reforms to what were critical | * 通过《国土安全法案》强行采取行动,而不对重大事项进行任何改革 |
| 72 | ICE and CBP reforms that were necessary, that the American people wanted and were clamoring for. | ICE和CBP改革是美国人民所希望和要求的。 |
| 73 | They didn't want to continue to see masked marauders on their streets with just harassing people. | 他们不想继续看到被蒙面的劫匪在街上骚扰别人。 |
| 74 | Congress eventually passed my legislation that paid TSA workers, funded FEMA, CISA, | 国会最终通过我的立法 支付TSA工人, 资助FEMA, CISA, |
| 75 | Secret Service, and the Coast Guard. | 特勤局和海岸警卫队 |
| 76 | And today, and it took you 79 days on the Republican side to make that decision to pay | 而今天,你花了79天 在共和党一方做出支付的决定 |
| 77 | these people instead of just talking about paying this. | 而不是说要付钱 |
| 78 | The administration continues to attempt to walk away from the collective bargaining agreement | 行政当局继续试图放弃集体谈判协议 |
| 79 | with TSA workers, something that the federal courts have now twice said is illegal. | 与TSA的工人, 联邦法院现在已经两次说过 这是违法的。 |
| 80 | Indeed, your testimony frames the attempt to force over 200 smaller airports in this | 确实,你的证词 证明试图强迫200多个小机场在这里 |
| 81 | country into a new security structure as a setting. | 将国家纳入新的安全结构作为背景。 |
| 82 | And quote, the TSA, this is in the testimony, the TSA is on the path to privatization. | 引用,TSA,这是在证词中,TSA正在走向私有化的道路. |
| 83 | My question on this issue is, given all that the transportation security office did for us | 我的问题是,鉴于交通安全局对我们所做的一切 |
| 84 | during a Republican shutdown, how can it be that the department's position is that TSA | 共和党关闭期间 部门的立场是 TSA |
| 85 | workers should not be granted the same basic labor protections as federal enforcement officers? | 不应给予工人与联邦执法官员相同的基本劳动保护? |
| 86 | How can it be that your priority is to have them work for the lowest bidder where the | 你怎么会优先考虑让他们为最低投标人工作呢? |
| 87 | wages and the benefits of these workers will unquestionably be lower? | 这些工人的工资和福利无疑会降低? |
| 88 | Well, actually, it was the Democrats that voted every time to shut them down. | 实际上,是民主党人每次都投票决定关闭他们。 |
| 89 | Republicans voted every time to open them up. | 共和党人每次都投票开放. |
| 90 | Pass, just give me- | 传,给我... |
| 91 | We didn't shut them down. | 我们没有关闭他们。 |
| 92 | You shut them down. | 你把他们关了 |
| 93 | Answer my question. | 回答我的问题。 |
| 94 | What are you doing? | 你在干吗? |
| 95 | Why are you moving- | 你为什么搬家... |
| 96 | And I answered your question. | 我回答了你的问题。 |
| 97 | You were the one that shut them down. | 是你把他们关闭的 |
| 98 | The Democrats shut down. | 民主党关闭. |
| 99 | How many times did you vote to shut them down? | 你投了多少票让他们关门? |
| 100 | You know, these people come to us to get funding for the work that they do, and we- | 你知道,这些人来到我们这里 获得资金 他们的工作,我们 - |
| 101 | I'm actually factually correct. | 其实我是对的 |
| 102 | The work that they don't do. | 他们不做的事 |
| 103 | You voted to shut them down. | 你投票让他们关闭。 |
| 104 | Republicans voted to open them over and over and over again. | 共和党人投票决定反复开放. |
| 105 | What the Republicans finally did. | 共和党最终所做的一切. |
| 106 | Your vote clearly said that you voted to shut us down. | 你的投票明确表明你投票阻止了我们。 |
| 107 | What they finally did. | 他们最终所做的 |
| 108 | It wasn't until it became popular. | 直至流行. |
| 109 | And then, by the way, ICE agents came there and helped bring the lines down. | 然后,顺便说一句,ICE特工们来到那里,帮助把线路拉下来. |
| 110 | The same people that you also kept shut down for 150 days. | 你一直关闭150天的人 |
| 111 | Mr. Secretary. | 秘书先生 |
| 112 | I'm answering the question. | 我在回答这个问题。 |
| 113 | No, you didn't, Mr. Secretary. | 不,你没有,部长先生 |
| 114 | I thought you said you answered it. | 你不是说答案了吗? |
| 115 | The floor is hers. | 地板是她的。 |
| 116 | My dear- | 亲爱的... |
| 117 | Actually, I gave it to her. | 其实是我给她的 |
| 118 | You know, there is a chairman of a committee. | 你知道,有一个委员会主席。 |
| 119 | That's me. | 这就是我。 |
| 120 | I gave it back to her. | 我把它还给她了 |
| 121 | She's got it. | 她会的 |
| 122 | This tells me something about who these folks are. | 这告诉我这些人是谁 |
| 123 | And everybody on this panel- | 和大家在这个面板上 -- |
| 124 | You have another question, Madame Reiking- | 你还有一个问题,雷金夫人... |
| 125 | Well, yeah, no, I do. | 嗯,是的,不,我喜欢。 |
| 126 | But I didn't get an answer to a question. | 但我没有回答一个问题。 |
| 127 | So the record will so reflect. | 因此,记录将如此反映。 |
| 128 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 129 | Please ask your next question. | 请下问. |
| 130 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 131 | And I will. | 我会的。 |
| 132 | 这与FEMA有关. | |
| 133 | Simple question. | 简单的问题。 |
| 134 | And I want to start where I left off with Secretary Noem last year. | 我想从去年诺埃姆国务卿离开的地方开始。 |
| 135 | FEMA (英语). | |
| 136 | Simple yes or no. | 简单是非. |
| 137 | Do you support eliminating FEMA? | 您是否支持取消 FEMA ? |
| 138 | There's portions of FEMA that- | 有一部分的FEMA是 -- |
| 139 | Do you support eliminating FEMA? | 您是否支持取消 FEMA ? |
| 140 | There's no yes or no question on that. | 于此无有是无问. |
| 141 | There's portions that need to go back to the state. | 有些地方需要回到国家去 |
| 142 | Do you support eliminating FEMA? | 您是否支持取消 FEMA ? |
| 143 | The record will reflect the response. | 记录将反映答复。 |
| 144 | Is there another question? | 还有别的问题吗? |
| 145 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 146 | Because let me just say, in April of 2025, the Trump administration prematurely- | 2025年4月,特朗普政府过早地... |
| 147 | I'm glad we got that answer. | 我很高兴我们得到了答案。 |
| 148 | Because a poor gentleman who came before- | 因为一个可怜的绅士来过... |
| 149 | It may have been with you, Mr. Chairman, that came before our committee. | 主席先生,我们委员会面前的可能是你。 |
| 150 | And I asked him this question. | 我问他这个问题。 |
| 151 | And he said- | 他说... |
| 152 | Because Secretary Noem said yes. | 因为秘书 诺埃姆答应了 |
| 153 | She and the President wanted to eliminate FEMA. | 她和总统想消灭FEMA. |
| 154 | The gentleman said that- | 这位先生说... |
| 155 | He said it should be reformed. | 他说应该改革它。 |
| 156 | And the next day, he was fired. | 第二天,他被开除了 |
| 157 | Let it show that the Secretary believes that we should shut FEMA down. | 让它显示,秘书认为 我们应该关闭FEMA。 |
| 158 | I never said that. | 我从来没有说过。 |
| 159 | April 2025, the administration- | 2025年4月 行政部门 |
| 160 | I never said that. | 我从来没有说过。 |
| 161 | The administration prematurely, unlawfully- | 行政当局过早、非法 |
| 162 | 结束了FEMA的BRIC计划. | |
| 163 | It intentionally halted roughly 2,000 active infrastructure and disaster mitigation projects | 它故意中止大约2 000个现行基础设施和减灾项目 |
| 164 | across the country, including one in downtown New Haven, Connecticut. | 包括康涅狄格州纽黑文市中心的一个 |
| 165 | A coalition of 22 states in D.C. sued FEMA. | 由22个州组成的华盛顿州联盟起诉FEMA. |
| 166 | A federal judge ruled in favor of the states in December, | 联邦法官在12月判决支持各州 |
| 167 | mandated that FEMA restore the over $3.6 billion and canceled funding | 授权妇联恢复36亿多美元并取消供资 |
| 168 | At the beginning of March, the judge had to order FEMA to comply with that ruling. | 3月初,法官不得不命令联邦紧急事务管理局遵守这项裁决。 |
| 169 | Three months ago, the day after you took over as Secretary, | 三个月前 你接任秘书的第二天 |
| 170 | FEMA formally announced a, quote, new and improved BRIC program. | FEMA正式宣布了一个新的,引文,改进的BRIC计划. |
| 171 | Yet, almost all of these communities are still waiting for their BRIC funding to be restored. | 然而,几乎所有这些社区仍在等待恢复金砖四国的资助。 |
| 172 | Tell me, Mr. Secretary, when can communities with halted projects | 告诉我,秘书先生,什么时候能有停工的项目 |
| 173 | expect to receive their BRIC funding? | 期待获得金砖四国的资助? |
| 174 | We actually restarted that when our first came in. | 当我们第一次进来的时候,我们又重新开始了。 |
| 175 | We did 24 or 25 of them. | 我们做了24或25个。 |
| 176 | You've done 24 of the 25 of the 2,000. | 二千人中你完成了二十五个 |
| 177 | Let me clarify that. | 让我澄清一下。 |
| 178 | 2024 and 2025, they sent out the notice of notifications that everybody can now submit, | 2024年和2025年 他们发出了通知 每个人都可以提交, |
| 179 | and those projects that were already submitted for those times period will be- | 而已经为这些时期提交的项目将是: |
| 180 | How many projects are there? | 有多少项目? |
| 181 | We can get you the details. | 我们可以告诉你细节 |
| 182 | Please. | 请 |
| 183 | There were 2,000 that we started with were- | 我们从两千开始... |
| 184 | Get the no-fos out on that, and that'll come out sometime in September. | 把那玩意找出来 九月会出来 |
| 185 | The Secretary has done more to get- | 秘书已经做了更多的工作来... |
| 186 | I do not need your- You do not need to- | 我并不需要你的... ... 需要你的帮助 I don't need your... 你没必要... |
| 187 | I just want to make sure you're clear. | 我只是想确认你是否清楚 |
| 188 | Please. | 请 |
| 189 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 190 | Spare us. | 饶了我们吧 |
| 191 | Just give me the facts. | 把事实告诉我 |
| 192 | I did. | 没错 |
| 193 | Give me the numbers. | 把号码给我 |
| 194 | Let me just conclude, Mr. Chairman, and thank you. | 主席先生,让我在结束发言时感谢你。 |
| 195 | I would like to work in an open and transparent way because that BRIC funding | 我想以公开透明的方式工作,因为金砖五国提供资金 |
| 196 | for New Haven, Connecticut, which I probably will not get | 康涅狄格州纽黑文 我可能不会得到 |
| 197 | because I'm in a blue state, that the BRIC funding for New Haven, Connecticut is important, | 因为我处于蓝色状态, 金砖国家对康涅狄格州纽黑文的资助很重要, |
| 198 | which is why we support the programs, bipartisan support for the BRIC program. | 这就是为什么我们支持这些计划, 两党支持金砖四国计划。 |
| 199 | So please, let's get the no-fos out as quickly as possible | 所以,请,让我们得到 无福越快出来 |
| 200 | and get the money to the communities that need them. | 把钱带给需要钱的社区 |
| 201 | My final comment to you is I'd just like to go back a second. | 我最后想说的是,我只想回去一下 |
| 202 | We need to go back to the issue of deaths in custody. | 我们需要回到拘留期间死亡的问题。 |
| 203 | It doesn't do anyone good to deflect, talk about what's happening | 转过身来 说说到底有什么用 |
| 204 | in a criminal system in Illinois or in Oklahoma. | 在伊利诺伊州或俄克拉荷马州的犯罪系统中 |
| 205 | What we need, what we need, because 54 deaths are 54. | 我们需要什么,我们需要什么, 因为54人死亡是54。 |
| 206 | What is civil detention, we need a plan to address the fact that 54 people in your department | 民事拘留是什么 我们需要一个计划 来解决你部门54个人的问题 |
| 207 | has had- they were in civil detention. | 他们被民事拘留 |
| 208 | It's not criminal detention, are dead. | 这不是刑事拘留,死了。 |
| 209 | They should not be. | 他们不应该是。 |
| 210 | We need to hear from you. | 我们需要你的消息 |
| 211 | I don't need an answer. | 我不需要一个答案。 |
| 212 | Now there is no time. | 现在没时间了。 |
| 213 | I've taken an enormous amount of time. | 我花了很多时间 |
| 214 | Get us a policy, a plan, and a timely fashion | 给我们一个政策,一个计划,一个及时的时尚 |
| 215 | that says how are we going to deal with these issues. | 这说明我们如何处理这些问题。 |
| 216 | I yield back and I thank you. | 我投降了,谢谢你。 |
| 217 | Thank you to the ranking member. | 谢谢你的排名成员。 |
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