威斯康星州长唯一电视辩论 对华盛顿的公投 | 2026.10
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:02 | Since 2010, Democrat David Crowley. | 2010年起,民主党人大卫·克劳利. |
| 0:05 | We need everybody in the game. | 我们需要大家参与游戏 |
| 0:07 | We can no longer play defense. | 我们不能再防守了 |
| 0:09 | Versus Republican Tom Tiffany. | 佛萨共和党人汤姆·蒂凡尼 |
| 0:11 | And we're not going to let them do it. | 我们不会让他们这么做的 |
| 0:13 | Hell no. | 地狱没有。 |
| 0:14 | We're not going to let them do it. | 我们不会让他们这么做的 |
| 0:15 | Tonight, the candidates on WISN 12. | 今晚,WISN12上的候选人。 |
| 0:18 | Their first and only televised debate. | 他们第一次也是唯一的电视辩论。 |
| 0:21 | Crowley, the 40-year-old Milwaukee County executive | 克劳利,40岁的密尔沃基县执行官 |
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|---|---|---|
| 1 | Since 2010, Democrat David Crowley. | 2010年起,民主党人大卫·克劳利. |
| 2 | We need everybody in the game. | 我们需要大家参与游戏 |
| 3 | We can no longer play defense. | 我们不能再防守了 |
| 4 | Versus Republican Tom Tiffany. | 佛萨共和党人汤姆·蒂凡尼 |
| 5 | And we're not going to let them do it. | 我们不会让他们这么做的 |
| 6 | Hell no. | 地狱没有。 |
| 7 | We're not going to let them do it. | 我们不会让他们这么做的 |
| 8 | Tonight, the candidates on WISN 12. | 今晚,WISN12上的候选人。 |
| 9 | Their first and only televised debate. | 他们第一次也是唯一的电视辩论。 |
| 10 | Crowley, the 40-year-old Milwaukee County executive | 克劳利,40岁的密尔沃基县执行官 |
| 11 | who served in the state legislature | 在州立法机构任职的人 |
| 12 | and was raised in Milwaukee's Central City. | 在密尔沃基的中央城市长大 |
| 13 | Listen, as county executive, you proposed property tax increases. | 听着 作为郡行政官 你提议增加财产税 |
| 14 | Tiffany, the 68-year-old congressman from central Wisconsin | 蒂芬妮,68岁的威斯康辛州中部国会议员 |
| 15 | who also served in the state legislature | 在州立法机构任职的 |
| 16 | and was raised on a Wisconsin dairy farm. | 在威斯康星州一家奶制品农场长大 |
| 17 | You have been a big supporter of the president. | 你一直是总统的支持者 |
| 18 | It's not going to help or hurt you. | 它不会帮助或伤害你。 |
| 19 | And now, live from the Marquette University Law School. | 现在,从马奎特大学法学院现场直播。 |
| 20 | Tonight's moderators, WISN 12 political director Matt Smith | 今晚的主持人,WISN 12政治导演马特·史密斯 |
| 21 | 12位新闻主播Jaron Jordan | |
| 22 | Good evening everyone and welcome. | 晚上好,大家欢迎。 |
| 23 | Live from Marquette University Law School. | 玛奎特大学法学院现场直播. |
| 24 | We thank our audience across Wisconsin for joining us | 感谢威斯康星的观众加入我们 |
| 25 | for the first and only televised and live stream debate | 第一次和唯一一次电视直播和直播 |
| 26 | between the candidates for Wisconsin governor. | 在威斯康辛州州长候选人之间 |
| 27 | David Crowley and Tom Tiffany, we thank you both for being here with us tonight. | 大卫・克劳利和汤姆・蒂凡尼,我们感谢你们 今晚与我们在一起。 |
| 28 | Thank you for having us. | 谢谢你邀请我们 |
| 29 | It's great to join you. | 很高兴加入你们 |
| 30 | With Tony Evers not seeking reelection, | 由于托尼·埃弗斯不寻求连任, |
| 31 | this is the first open seat for governor in 16 years. | 这是16年来第一个为州长开放的席位. |
| 32 | So, before we begin tonight, a few ground rules. | 所以,在我们今晚开始之前, 一些基本规则。 |
| 33 | This is a debate and a conversation about the issues facing Wisconsin voters. | 这是关于威斯康辛州选民面临的问题的辩论和谈话。 |
| 34 | The candidates are asked to stay on topic and to be concise. | 请候选人继续讲专题,并做到简明扼要。 |
| 35 | Our guests may speak to each other, | 我们的客人可以互相交谈 |
| 36 | but we will manage the time on any given topic | 但我们会处理任何特定议题的时间 |
| 37 | and move the conversation along if necessary. | 必要时把谈话移开 |
| 38 | At the end, each candidate will deliver a closing statement. | 最后,每个候选人将作闭幕发言。 |
| 39 | We flipped a coin to choose who will get the first question, | 我们翻了个硬币 来选择第一个问题是谁 |
| 40 | so let's get right to it. | 所以,让我们直说吧。 |
| 41 | We begin with David Crowley. | 我们从大卫·克劳利开始 |
| 42 | Mr. Crowley, your critics describe you as a liberal, | Crowley先生 你的批评家说你是个自由主义者 |
| 43 | prolific spender who consistently raises taxes on his constituents. | 不断向选民征税的巨额开支者。 |
| 44 | Why should voters trust what you're going to say tonight, | 选民为什么要相信你今晚要说的话 |
| 45 | and if elected, you won't just continue to raise their taxes? | 如果当选 你就不能继续提高他们的税收吗? |
| 46 | Well, I'm proud of my record being county executive. | 嗯,我为我的记录感到自豪 作为郡行政。 |
| 47 | Every single year we've been able to bring down the property tax rate. | 每年都能降低地产税率. |
| 48 | We delivered the largest property tax cut in history, | 我们做了有史以来最大的财产税削减, |
| 49 | and every single year we've balanced the budget. | 我们每年都要平衡预算 |
| 50 | And I did that by working with Democrats and Republicans | 我和民主党和共和党人合作就做到了 |
| 51 | on a bipartisan level to make sure that we can deliver for our communities. | 在两党一级,确保我们能够为我们的社区服务。 |
| 52 | And that's what's really at stake with this election. | 而这正是这场选举的真正利害关系. |
| 53 | This is about having a governor who's going to work for you, | 这是关于有一个州长 谁要为你工作, |
| 54 | someone who's going to invest in your future, | 一个会投资你未来的人 |
| 55 | or someone who's going to work for the billionaires | 或者为亿万富翁工作的人 |
| 56 | that are bankrolling their campaign, | 他们是在资助他们的运动, |
| 57 | or doing exactly what Donald Trump wants them to do | 或者做唐纳德·特朗普想要他们做的事 |
| 58 | because they voted with them 100% of the time. | 因为他们投了100%的票 |
| 59 | This is about making sure that every single person | 这是关于确保每个人 |
| 60 | in the state of Wisconsin can move forward, | 在威斯康辛州可以前进, |
| 61 | and I want to make sure that what I've done here in Milwaukee County | 我想确定我在密尔沃基县所做的一切 |
| 62 | and what we've done across this state together, | 我们一起在这个州所做的一切 |
| 63 | we can continue when I'm the next governor. | 下一任州长时 我们可以继续 |
| 64 | Mr. Tiffany, your critics describe you as a mega-extremist | Tiffany先生 你的批评家形容你是一个超大极端主义者 |
| 65 | who has voted with President Trump 99% of the time. | 他与特朗普总统共投99%票。 |
| 66 | So why should voters trust what you're about to say tonight | 选民为什么要相信你今晚要说的话? |
| 67 | and won't just have the president's interests at heart? | 并且不会只把总统的利益放在心上? |
| 68 | As a lifelong resident, I will make sure | 作为一个终身居民,我会确保 |
| 69 | that we are going to do what's right for Wisconsin. | 我们要为威斯康辛做正确的事 |
| 70 | But first, Matt, I just want to say, | 但首先 Matt 我只想说 |
| 71 | happy anniversary to my wife, Chris, 31 years ago today. | 31年前的今天 我妻子克里斯的结婚周年快乐 |
| 72 | We met at the Thirsty Whale in Managua, been together ever since. | 我们在马那瓜的口渴鲸鱼店见过面 从那时起我们就在一起了 |
| 73 | The key issue in this campaign is affordability, | 这场运动的关键问题是承受能力, |
| 74 | and that's solely what I am focused on at this point, | 这正是我目前关注的 |
| 75 | is making sure that Wisconsin is more affordable. | 让威斯康辛州更能负担得起 |
| 76 | There's some things that we can do as governor. | 有些事情我们可以做州长 |
| 77 | One, we should return all of the $3 billion budget surplus | 第一,我们应该归还所有30亿美元的预算盈余 |
| 78 | to the people of Wisconsin. | 致威斯康星州人民 |
| 79 | They overpaid into state government. | 他们多付给州政府 |
| 80 | We should return that money to them. | 我们应该把钱还给他们。 |
| 81 | There's a surplus at the state level. | 州一级有盈余. |
| 82 | I think taxpayers out there, | 我认为纳税人在那里, |
| 83 | they don't have a surplus in their bank accounts. | 他们的银行账户没有盈余 |
| 84 | We're going to end the 400-year property tax increase. | 结束400年房产税增征. |
| 85 | Back in December, largest increase in property taxes in 30 years. | 早在12月,30年来财产税增幅最大. |
| 86 | We're taxing people out of their homes. | 我们把人赶出家门 |
| 87 | Young people are not able to afford to be able to buy a new home. | 年轻人买不起新的住房。 |
| 88 | We're going to reduce taxes on the middle-income taxpayers of Wisconsin, | 我们要降低威斯康辛州中等收入纳税人的税收 |
| 89 | and we're going to do no taxes on tips and overtime, | 我们不会对小费和加班费征税 |
| 90 | just like I did federally. | 就像我做联邦。 |
| 91 | We're going to put more money into people's pockets. | 我们要把更多的钱投入到人们的口袋里. |
| 92 | Now, contrast that with my opponent, | 现在,对比一下我的对手, |
| 93 | and that is one of the clearest contrasts in this election. | 这是这次选举最明显的对比之一。 |
| 94 | He said to you that he believed that higher taxes were not a burden | 他对你说,他认为高额税不是负担 |
| 95 | when he nearly doubled the sales tax. | 当他几乎加倍的销售税。 |
| 96 | That was the one year that property taxes went down. | 那是房产税下跌的一年。 |
| 97 | He raised the sales tax instead. | 他却提高了销售税。 |
| 98 | Taxes have went up. | 税收上涨了 |
| 99 | Every single year that David Crowley has been county executive, | 每年大卫·克劳利担任郡行政 |
| 100 | you know what he's going to do as governor. | 你知道他作为州长会做什么 |
| 101 | So let's talk about taxes. | 因此,让我们谈谈税收。 |
| 102 | Tonight, Wisconsinites say inflation and the cost of living | 今晚,威斯康星人说通货膨胀和生活费用 |
| 103 | is the most important issue this election cycle. | 这是选举周期中最重要的问题。 |
| 104 | Wisconsin's top income earners are already among the highest taxed | 威斯康星州收入最高的人 已经是税额最高的人了 |
| 105 | in the Midwest. | 在中西部地区。 |
| 106 | Mr. Crowley, would you create a new income tax bracket | Crowley先生,你会创造一个新的所得税等级吗? |
| 107 | for the state's highest earners? | 为了国家的最高收入者? |
| 108 | Well, we have to, one, recognize that the affordability crisis | 那么,我们必须,一个,承认 价格危机 |
| 109 | is absolutely real, | 绝对是真的 |
| 110 | and we need to make sure that everybody in the state of Wisconsin | 我们需要确保威斯康辛州所有人 |
| 111 | can get access to groceries, can afford a roof over their head. | 可以买到杂货 买得起屋顶 |
| 112 | And so when Congressman Tom Tiffany says he's focusing on affordability, | 所以当议员汤姆・蒂凡尼说 他专注于负担能力, |
| 113 | I mean, let's be very clear. | 我的意思是,让我们非常清楚。 |
| 114 | He voted for the big ugly bill. | 他投票支持这个丑陋的大法案. |
| 115 | That cut a trillion dollars for a billion dollars | 少了万亿,少了十亿 |
| 116 | for some of the highest earners here in the state of Wisconsin. | 给威斯康辛州一些收入最高的人 |
| 117 | We need to make sure that we have a fair tax system, | 我们需要确保我们有一个公平的税收制度, |
| 118 | a simpler tax system that allows people to get ahead. | 更简单的税收制度 允许人们领先 |
| 119 | At the end of the day, | 临终时. |
| 120 | we need to be focusing on accountability and transparency. | 我们需要把重点放在问责制和透明度上。 |
| 121 | Is that a new bracket for the highest earners? | 对收入最高的人来说,这是一个新的档次吗? |
| 122 | Something that we have been focusing, | 我们一直关注的东西, |
| 123 | what I'm focusing on is making sure that we take a holistic view | 我专注于确保 我们采取整体观点 |
| 124 | as it relates to our tax and spending here in the state of Wisconsin. | 这与我们在威斯康辛州的税收和开支有关 |
| 125 | The current tax system that we're under, | 我们目前的税收制度, |
| 126 | which happens to be under what Congressman Tom Tiffany helped create | 恰好是汤姆·蒂凡尼议员 帮助创造的 |
| 127 | under the Scott Walker era, | 在斯科特·沃克时代, |
| 128 | is not working for local municipalities. | 没有为当地市政府工作。 |
| 129 | It's not working for anybody. | 这对任何人都无效 |
| 130 | And so as the next governor, | 作为下一任州长, |
| 131 | we need somebody who's going to take a holistic view, | 我们需要一个能采取整体观点的人 |
| 132 | making sure that those who are making enough money pay their fair share. | 确保那些挣得足够钱的人支付公平的份额。 |
| 133 | But more importantly, | 但更重要的是,我们... |
| 134 | we need to be focusing on making everything that much more better | 我们需要集中精力 使一切变得更好 |
| 135 | when it comes down to how we take it. | 当它来到我们如何对待它。 |
| 136 | What is that level in terms of making them more than their fair share? | 就使其超过公平份额而言,这一水平是多少? |
| 137 | Look. | 听着 |
| 138 | Do you have a number and a percentage? | 你有数字和百分比吗? |
| 139 | What I have is that we have to make sure that we're working | и眔絋玂 |
| 140 | with the state legislature to make sure that we're creating a fair | 与州立法机关 确保我们正在创建一个公平 |
| 141 | and taxable system that works for all income earners. | 和对所有收入者都有效的应纳税制度。 |
| 142 | Mr. Tiffany, you're proposing an immediate 10% income tax cut | Tiffany先生 你提议立即削减10%的所得税 |
| 143 | for families making less than $150,000. | 家庭收入不足15万美元。 |
| 144 | So would your first state budget include other tax increases | 你的第一个州预算也会包括其他增税 |
| 145 | or cuts to programs to offset that? | 还是削减程序来抵消? |
| 146 | I will not be raising taxes on the good people of Wisconsin. | 我不会向威斯康辛的好人征税 |
| 147 | I think I laid it out in my opening remarks, | 我想我在开场白中阐述了这一点, |
| 148 | the tax reductions we're going to do. | 我们要减税 |
| 149 | First, it starts with a 400-year property tax increase. | 首先,它首先要增加400年的财产税。 |
| 150 | We are going to end that. | 我们将结束这一切。 |
| 151 | And many people will see a lower property tax burden as a result, | 许多人会因此看到较低的财产税负担, |
| 152 | and then we're going to freeze those taxes. | 然后我们就冻结那些税 |
| 153 | Then we're going to have a 10% middle income tax cut | 然后我们再减10%的中等收入税 |
| 154 | and no taxes on tips and overtime, just like we did federally. | 并且不收小费和加班税 就像我们在联邦一样 |
| 155 | We're going to put more money into people's pockets. | 我们要把更多的钱投入到人们的口袋里. |
| 156 | We are not going to raise taxes on the good people of Wisconsin. | 我们不会对威斯康辛的好人征税 |
| 157 | That's a lot of income not coming into the state, then. | 那么,这是很多收入 没有进入国家, |
| 158 | Do you make cuts in your first budget proposal to offset that? | 你是否削减了你的第一份预算提案来抵消? |
| 159 | We are going to have sufficient money in this budget | 我们的预算会有足够的资金 |
| 160 | to be able to fund the things that are important to Wisconsinites, | 能够资助那些对威斯康辛人很重要的东西, |
| 161 | education, transportation and infrastructure, health care. | 教育、交通和基础设施、保健。 |
| 162 | We're going to have money there, and here's why. | 我们要在那里有钱,这就是原因。 |
| 163 | When you look at the last budget that was passed a year ago, | 当你看看一年前通过的最后预算时 |
| 164 | it went up $15 billion, went from $99 billion to $114 billion, | 它增加了150亿美元, 从990亿美元到1140亿美元, |
| 165 | a 15% increase, the largest increase ever in a state budget. | a 增加15%,是国家预算中增幅最大的一次。 |
| 166 | There is plenty of money in Madison to be able to provide more shared revenue, | 麦迪逊有很多钱 可以提供更多的共享收入, |
| 167 | to give increased aid to our schools. | 给我们的学校提供更多援助。 |
| 168 | There is enough money in Madison to be able to backfill those things that we need to. | 麦迪逊有足够的钱 来回填满我们需要的东西。 |
| 169 | And by the way, we have that experience, I have that experience in my background. | 顺便说一下,我们有这种经验,我也有这种经验。 |
| 170 | When I was in the legislature, I helped write three budgets. | 当我在立法机构时,我帮助撰写了三份预算. |
| 171 | We reduced taxes every single budget, yet the next budget had more revenue come in. | 我们削减了每个预算的税收,然而下一个预算却增加了收入。 |
| 172 | And why is that? | 为什么? |
| 173 | Because we had a growing economy. | 因为我们的经济在增长。 |
| 174 | That's the most important thing we can do in Wisconsin. | 这是威斯康辛州最重要的事情 |
| 175 | Put more money into people's pockets, and Wisconsin's economy will grow. | 把更多的钱投入到人们的口袋里,威斯康辛的经济将会增长. |
| 176 | I want to make sure that we heard exactly what the congressman just said. | 我想确保我们听到议员刚才说的话 |
| 177 | He wants to do exactly what they did in Washington, D.C. | 他想做他们在华盛顿特区所做的一切 |
| 178 | They literally gave $80 billion in tax breaks to billionaires throughout the entire country. | 他们给全国亿万富翁800亿美元的税收减免。 |
| 179 | On the backs of hardworking Wisconsinites who are losing their health care, 270,000 folks. | 在辛勤工作的威斯康辛人背上 他们正在失去他们的保健, 27万人。 |
| 180 | Look, we cannot afford, congressman, as the next governor, | 议员,我们付不起 作为下一任州长 |
| 181 | if we're literally going to be balancing tax breaks for billionaires | 如果我们真的要平衡 对亿万富翁的税收减免 |
| 182 | on the backs of hardworking Wisconsin family members. | 在辛勤工作的威斯康辛家族成员的背上 |
| 183 | What we need to be focusing on is how do we make sure that we can give them access to better paying jobs. | 我们需要集中注意的是,我们如何确保能够让他们获得报酬更高的工作。 |
| 184 | How we can actually make sure that they can actually afford food on the table. | 我们如何确保他们能买得起桌上的食物。 |
| 185 | When congressman Tom Tiffany had the ability to lower costs for families just at the gas pump, | 当议员汤姆・蒂凡尼有能力 降低家庭成本 就在加油泵, |
| 186 | he voted to actually protect the war on Iran. | 他投票支持保护伊朗战争 |
| 187 | He did it five times, and we've seen our diesel and our gas prices skyrocket. | 他做了五次,我们已经看到我们的柴油和我们的天然气价格暴涨。 |
| 188 | He even voted to protect the Canadian terrorists, | 他甚至投票保护加拿大恐怖分子, |
| 189 | which has increased costs on our farmers and on our manufacturers. | 这增加了农民和制造商的成本。 |
| 190 | We don't need what is happening in Washington, D.C. coming into the state of Wisconsin. | 我们不需要华盛顿特区发生的事情 进入威斯康辛州 |
| 191 | It is very clear that he is working for Donald Trump and the billionaires who are funding his campaign. | 很明显,他为唐纳德·特朗普和资助他竞选的亿万富翁工作. |
| 192 | A response, congressman. | 回应,议员 |
| 193 | So while my opponent, you can see early on in the debate, | 所以,虽然我的对手, 你可以看到早期的辩论, |
| 194 | is consistently focused on being against Donald Trump, I'm for Wisconsin. | 一直专注于反对唐纳德·特朗普 我支持威斯康辛州 |
| 195 | And rather than creating a bunch of more programs that are going to end up taxing the people of Wisconsin more, | 而不是创造更多节目 最终要对威斯康辛州人民征税更多 |
| 196 | I want to put more money in the taxpayers' pockets. | 我想在纳税人口袋里多放点钱 |
| 197 | Congressman. | 议员 |
| 198 | There's a lot of issues to get to. | 问题重重要解决. |
| 199 | We're going to get to the state budget and the state budget surplus. | 我们要拿到国家预算和国家预算盈余。 |
| 200 | Tonight, the state's projected budget surplus now sits at nearly $3 billion. | 今晚,本州预计预算盈余近30亿美元. |
| 201 | Mr. Crowley, in our Democratic primary debate, | 克劳利先生 在我们民主党的主要辩论中 |
| 202 | you were the only candidate who said you would have signed the failed tax relief deal | 你是唯一一个 说你会签失败减税协议的候选人 |
| 203 | negotiated by Governor Tony Evers and Republican leaders. | 由州长托尼·埃弗斯和共和党领导人谈判. |
| 204 | The deal would have delivered rebate checks, lower property taxes, | 这笔交易本可以进行退税 降低财产税 |
| 205 | invested more in special education and eliminated taxes on tips and overtime. | 在特殊教育方面投入了更多的资金,取消了对小费和加班费的征税。 |
| 206 | So what now is your specific plan for the surplus? | 那你现在对盈余有什么具体计划? |
| 207 | You know, I would have supported that deal because it would have been a bipartisan effort. | 我本来会支持那笔交易的 因为这将是两党的努力 |
| 208 | It's because people made the hard decision to come together as Democrats and Republicans | 这是因为人们做出了艰难的决定 作为民主党和共和党 |
| 209 | to provide that relief for so many families who are desperately in need. | 向如此众多迫切需要帮助的家庭提供这种救济。 |
| 210 | And the reason why it didn't pass the state legislature is because Congressman Tom Tiffany, | 州议会没有通过的原因是 议员汤姆蒂芬尼 |
| 211 | he called in some favors and asked and pushed people not to vote for it. | 他呼吁给予一些恩惠,要求并促使人们不要投票。 |
| 212 | He wants to make sure that this surplus is not going to the hardworking families. | 他希望确保这种盈余不会流向辛勤工作的家庭。 |
| 213 | He wants to deliver this as a tax cut to billionaires, | 他想把这当作减税给亿万富翁 |
| 214 | giving them a 0% income tax like he has said while he's been campaigning for this position. | 给他们百分之零的所得税 就像他在竞选这个职位时说的 |
| 215 | Mr. Crowley, what is your specific plan? | 克劳利先生,你有什么计划? |
| 216 | What would you do with the surplus? | 盈余怎么办? |
| 217 | We need to be utilizing this surplus to provide relief, | 我们需要利用这个盈余来提供救济, |
| 218 | to make it more affordable for families across the state of Wisconsin. | 让整个威斯康辛州的家庭都能负担得起 |
| 219 | We could be using this surplus to actually put towards our public schools | 我们可以利用这个盈余 实际投入到我们的公立学校 |
| 220 | to make sure that we're buying down the property tax rate that so many folks are struggling under | 确保我们买下 房产税率 这么多人挣扎在 |
| 221 | because they've had to go to referendum after referendum | 因为他们不得不在全民公决后举行公投 |
| 222 | because of decisions that Congressman Tom Tiffany has made. | 因为议员汤姆·蒂凡尼的决定 |
| 223 | So how would you do that? | 那你会怎么做? |
| 224 | We need to make sure that we are working directly with our municipalities, | 我们需要确保我们直接与我们的市镇合作, |
| 225 | making sure that we can help lower their property taxes. | 确保我们能帮助降低他们的财产税。 |
| 226 | As a county executive, we have had to figure out year after year, like all municipalities, | 作为一名郡行政官,我们年复一年地 和所有城市一样 |
| 227 | how to pay for mandated services because the state of Wisconsin broke their promise. | 因为威斯康辛州违背了他们的承诺 如何支付法定服务费 |
| 228 | Because under Congressman Tom Tiffany when he was in the state legislature, | 因为根据议员汤姆·蒂凡尼 在州立法机构时 |
| 229 | they voted to slash shared revenue coming to local communities all across the state. | 他们投票决定削减共享收入 流向全州各地方社区 |
| 230 | So does all of your money go to education to lower the property tax level, all of this surplus? | 那么你们所有的钱都用于教育 降低财产税水平, 所有这些盈余? |
| 231 | Is that what you're saying? | 你是这么说的吗? |
| 232 | When it comes down to the surplus, it's about making sure that you're not only listening to the communities in need, | 说到盈余,就是要确保 你不只是听 需要帮助的社区, |
| 233 | but you're working with the state legislature. | 但你正在和州立法机构合作 |
| 234 | We've learned that just because a governor decides what they want to do, | 我们得知,只是因为省长决定他们要做什么, |
| 235 | you have to make sure you're working with legislative leadership to get it passed. | 你得确保你和立法领导层合作 才能让它获得通过 |
| 236 | It's not just about focusing on education. | 不只是专注于教育. |
| 237 | It's also about focusing on child care, health care, | 也专注于儿童照顾,医疗, |
| 238 | because that's the affordability crisis that was created under this Trump administration | 因为那是在特朗普政府 治下的可承受性危机 |
| 239 | with the help of Congressman Tom Tiffany. | 在议员汤姆·蒂凡尼的帮助下 |
| 240 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 241 | Mr. Tiffany, you voiced opposition to this initial deal that Republican leaders and the governor negotiated. | Tiffany先生 你反对共和党领导人和州长谈判的 初步协议 |
| 242 | You've now said you're going to return every cent set to taxpayers. | 你现在已经说过 你要把每套钱都还给纳税人了 |
| 243 | So what specifically does that look like? | 那具体是什么样子? |
| 244 | Are these rebate checks? | 这些是退款支票吗? |
| 245 | When does it happen? | 什么时候发生? |
| 246 | And how much does each Wisconsinite receive? | 威斯康辛州人能收到多少钱? |
| 247 | So first of all, let's be real clear. | 所以首先,让我们说清楚。 |
| 248 | There was not a single Democrat in the state Senate that voted for that bipartisan, that supposed bipartisan deal. | 州参议院没有一位民主党人投票支持该两党,即所谓两党交易. |
| 249 | It failed because not a single Democrat senator would vote for Governor Eber's bill. | 它失败了,因为没有一个民主党参议员会投票支持州长埃伯的法案. |
| 250 | There were three Republicans who voted against it as well. | 曾有三个共和党人也投了反对票. |
| 251 | There were, but if they would have gotten Democrat votes, they could have passed it to make it truly bipartisan. | 有,但如果他们得到民主党的选票, 他们可以通过它,使它真正两党。 |
| 252 | But the question before us is what are we going to do with the surplus, right? | 但是我们面前的问题是 我们要怎么处理盈余,对吧? |
| 253 | So we have a $3 billion budget surplus. | 所以我们有30亿美元的预算盈余。 |
| 254 | We should return all of that to the taxpayers. | 我们应将所有这些还给纳税人。 |
| 255 | They've overpaid into the state of Wisconsin. | 他们高薪进入威斯康辛州 |
| 256 | Let's go back to where the budget was last year. | 让我们回到去年的预算 |
| 257 | A $15 billion increase in the budget. | 预算增加150亿美元. |
| 258 | $3 billion is about 20% of that. | 30亿美元是其中的20%。 |
| 259 | Isn't that the least we can do for taxpayers? | 这难道不是我们至少可以为纳税人做的吗? |
| 260 | So what does that look like? | 那看起来像什么? |
| 261 | I mean, think about while the state has a surplus, the people out there in Wisconsin, they don't have a surplus in their bank accounts at this point. | 我的意思是,想想,虽然国家有盈余, 在威斯康星州的人, 他们没有盈余 在他们的银行账户现在。 |
| 262 | We should return it. | 我们应该把它还回去。 |
| 263 | And we should return it in long-term tax relief. | 并且我们应该以长期减税的方式归还它. |
| 264 | I would prefer not to do it as a one-time check because people don't plan their futures based on one-time checks. | 我宁愿不做一次性检查,因为人们不会根据一次性检查来规划自己的未来. |
| 265 | They want to have the certainty that they're going to be able to have this for the future. | 他们希望有确定性 他们将会有这个未来。 |
| 266 | So I want to see long-term tax reductions that people are going to benefit from not just next year, but in the future also. | 因此,我想看到长期减税,人们不仅将在明年受益,而且在未来受益。 |
| 267 | Are you talking income tax or percent? | 你是在说所得税还是百分比? |
| 268 | It would be a combination of those things. | 这将是这些东西的组合。 |
| 269 | I mean, one of them I already laid out, the middle income tax cut for those families. | 我的意思是,其中之一 我已经规定了, 中等收入税削减 这些家庭。 |
| 270 | So that's part of the surplus. | 这就是盈余的一部分。 |
| 271 | The families, if they make $150,000 and less as a couple, they're going to get a tax cut. | 诸家,若赚十五万,少为夫妇,必得减税. |
| 272 | We'll work out the details, but I know one thing. | 我们会想出细节 但我知道一件事 |
| 273 | We are going to return all of that $3 billion budget surplus to the people of Wisconsin. | 我们将把所有30亿美元的预算盈余还给威斯康辛人民。 |
| 274 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 275 | Let's talk about property taxes. | 谈财产税. |
| 276 | Next month, Wisconsinites will receive their new property tax bills. | 下个月,威斯康辛州人会收到新的财产税账单. |
| 277 | Last year, homeowners saw the biggest increase in nearly two decades, 5.8% on average statewide, some even higher, according to an analysis by the Wisconsin Policy Forum. | 去年,根据威斯康星州政策论坛的分析,房主在近20年中增幅最大,平均为全州5.8%,有些甚至更高。 |
| 278 | Mr. Tiffany, you've promised to repeal Governor Evers' 400-year veto. | Tiffany先生 你答应过取消Evers州长400年的否决 |
| 279 | It allows schools to increase their spending for the next 400 years, and that increase is generally paid for by property taxes, if not offset by the state. | 它允许学校在接下来的400年中增加开支,这种增加一般由财产税支付,如果不被国家抵消. |
| 280 | So if you take that revenue option away from schools, which is up to $760 million in this current budget, specifically, how much more, if any, would your budget invest in K-12 education? | 所以,如果你把收入选择从学校带走, 而这笔收入在目前的预算中高达7.6亿美元, 具体地说,如果有的话, 你的预算还要投资多少K-12教育? |
| 281 | So we've heard loud and clear from property taxpayers, they have been hit so hard. | 因此我们从财产纳税人那里听到了响亮和清晰的声音,他们受到了如此沉重的打击. |
| 282 | I hear from seniors across the state. | 我从全州老年人那里听说了 |
| 283 | As I crisscross the state covering all 72 counties, I hear from seniors all the time, we paid our mortgage off years ago, and now we're being taxed out of our home. | 当我横跨整个州 覆盖了所有72个县, 我从老年人那里听到所有的时间, 我们支付了我们的抵押贷款 几年前, |
| 284 | We hear from young people, they can't buy a home. | 我们听到年轻人说 他们买不到房子 |
| 285 | Think about the average age to buy a new home in Wisconsin in just 10 years went from 29 years of age to 40 years of age. | 想想在威斯康星州买新房子的平均年龄 仅仅十年就从29岁到40岁 |
| 286 | The property tax is part of that with those increases. | 财产税是增加财产税的一部分。 |
| 287 | We have to get control of it. | 我们必须控制它。 |
| 288 | And by the way, I will never do a veto like was done to have a 400-year property tax increase. | 顺便说一句,我绝不会像过去那样行使否决权,增加400年的财产税。 |
| 289 | The veto authority should not be used to increase taxes. | 否决权不应用于增加税收。 |
| 290 | So we're going to end the 400-year property tax increase, and then we're going to take that additional $15 billion that was in the last state budget, | 所以我们要结束400年的地产税增加, 然后,我们将采取增加的150亿美元, 这是在上一个国家预算, |
| 291 | and we're going to use that to help fund our schools as well as other local units of government. | 我们要用它来资助我们的学校 以及其他的政府单位 |
| 292 | When you look at the founding of shared revenue in this state over 100 years ago, it was meant to go to local communities. | 当你看到100多年前这个州的 共同收入的建立时, 它的本意是去当地社区。 |
| 293 | So how much specifically for education? | 那么,教育需要多少? |
| 294 | Through the years, through the years, the state continues to siphon more and more of that off. | 历经数年,历经数年,国家不断抽取了越来越多的这些. |
| 295 | We need to reverse that and take shared revenue and school funding back to its origins where we return money from the state. | 我们必须扭转这种情况,把共同收入和学校资助带回我们从国家返还资金的来源。 |
| 296 | We are going to backfill, we will backfill those dollars to schools across Wisconsin. | 我们要回注,我们会回注那些钱 在威斯康星州的学校。 |
| 297 | And how do I know we can... | 我怎么知道我们能... |
| 298 | In your first budget, though, quickly, is there an increase, a decrease, or is it flat? | 你的第一个预算,虽然,很快,是增加,减少,还是平的? |
| 299 | How do we know that we can do it? | 我们怎么知道我们能做到这一点? |
| 300 | How do we know we can do this? | 我们怎么知道我们能做到这一点? |
| 301 | Because we did it a decade ago. | 因为我们10年前就做到了 |
| 302 | I helped write a couple of those budgets. | 我帮他们写了一些预算 |
| 303 | Let's go back to the... | 让我们回到... |
| 304 | Increase, decrease, or flat, though. | 虽增减或平. |
| 305 | Do we know that yet? | 我们知道了吗? |
| 306 | For school funding? | 学校经费? |
| 307 | Yes. | 对 |
| 308 | In your first budget. | 在你的第一个预算。 |
| 309 | We will increase school funding. | 我们将增加学校经费。 |
| 310 | Yes, including for mental health. | 是的,包括精神健康 |
| 311 | Now, let me finish my thought, if I may, please. | 现在,让我完成我的想法, 如果我可以,请。 |
| 312 | In 2019, I helped write the budget where we had the largest increase in school funding. | 2019年,我帮助撰写了预算,其中我们学校经费增幅最大. |
| 313 | We also had a tax cut. | 我们还减税了。 |
| 314 | My opponent voted against that budget bill. | 我的对手投票反对预算法案。 |
| 315 | Governor Ebers signed it into law. | 州长埃伯斯签署成为法律. |
| 316 | I want to correct the record on something, because you cannot trust Congressman Tom Tiffany | 我想纠正记录的东西, 因为你不能信任 议员汤姆蒂凡尼 |
| 317 | when it comes down to education. | 说到教育 |
| 318 | I mean, we're talking about somebody who actually supported the elimination of the United States | 我的意思是,我们说的是一个 支持消灭美国的人 |
| 319 | Department of Education. | 教育部. |
| 320 | We're talking about someone, when he served as a senator, voted for one of the largest | 我们说的是某人,当他担任参议员时, 投票支持一个最大的 |
| 321 | cuts to our UW systems, as well as K-12 through education. | 削减我们的UW系统,以及通过教育削减K-12。 |
| 322 | I went to Milwaukee public schools. | 我去了密尔沃基公立学校 |
| 323 | My daughters go to public schools, and I know that they need an increase in funding from | 我女儿上公立学校,我知道他们需要增加资金 |
| 324 | the state of Wisconsin because of the fact that we have been dealing with decades of | 威斯康辛州,因为事实上,我们 已经与数十年的 |
| 325 | cuts ever since that he was a legislator. | 自从他成为一名立法者以来,就一直削减。 |
| 326 | So let me ask you about that. | 让我问问你 |
| 327 | Taxpayers are spending on average $16,000 per student in Wisconsin right now through | 纳税人现在在威斯康星州每个学生平均花费16 000美元 |
| 328 | a combination of federal, state, and local funding. | 结合联邦、州和地方的资金。 |
| 329 | Wisconsin is in the middle of the pack in the Midwest, according to the Census Bureau. | 根据人口调查局的资料,威斯康辛位于中西部的包头中部. |
| 330 | So how much more money will you give K-12 education? | 你还要给K -12教育多少钱? |
| 331 | And is there a point that money is no longer the problem? | 钱不再是问题了吗? |
| 332 | Well, I think that you have to pair the money in making sure that we're having standards | 好吧,我认为你必须配对钱 确保我们有标准 |
| 333 | and making sure that we're actually raising the bar for all of our public schools. | 并且确保我们真的 提高酒吧 我们所有的公立学校。 |
| 334 | You have to work with our teachers. | 你必须和我们的老师一起工作 |
| 335 | You have to work with our school boards because there isn't a cookie-cutter solution for each | 你要和我们的校董会合作 因为每个都找不到饼干 |
| 336 | school district. | 学校区。 |
| 337 | What works in La Crosse, what works in Madison may not work in the Green Bay, may not work | 在La Crosse工作 在麦迪逊工作 在绿湾可能行不通 |
| 338 | in the Monroe. | 在门罗。 |
| 339 | So we have to bring communities to the table when it comes down to actually tackling education | 因此,我们必须让社区坐到桌面上 当它真正解决教育。 |
| 340 | because it's not just about making sure that the teachers are there because teachers, they've | 因为这不仅仅是确保 教师在那里 因为教师,他们已经 |
| 341 | had to become the guardian, the nurse, the behavioral health specialist, you name it. | 得成为监护人 护士 行为卫生专家 |
| 342 | We need to make sure that all of our schools have the resources and the personnel to make | 我们需要确保 我们所有的学校 拥有资源和人员 |
| 343 | sure that our children are in safe spaces and getting the type of education they deserve. | 确保我们的孩子在安全的地方 得到他们应得的教育 |
| 344 | How much more money and where does that come from? | 还要多少钱,从哪里来的? |
| 345 | Well, I think it comes from making sure that we're taxing individuals like who are funding | 我认为,它来自确保 我们的税 个人像谁是资助 |
| 346 | Congressman Tiffany's campaign. | 蒂芬尼议员的竞选活动。 |
| 347 | We have three billionaires in this race who have spent to the tune of about $40 million. | 这场比赛我们有3个亿万富翁 花了约4000万美元 |
| 348 | Those are the types of dollars that could be invested in education all across the state | 这些是全州教育投资的种类 |
| 349 | of Wisconsin. | 威斯康星州 威斯康星州 |
| 350 | But again, it's about working with the legislature. | 但还是要与立法机关合作. |
| 351 | I want to put together long-term a blue ribbon commission that's going to bring academics, | 我想建立一个长期的蓝丝带委员会 来吸引学者 |
| 352 | that's going to bring local units of government, state government, labor leaders, CEOs, you | 将带来地方政府 州政府 劳工领导 首席执行官 |
| 353 | name it. | 说吧 |
| 354 | The last time we've taken a holistic view of taxing and spending in Wisconsin was in | 我们上次对威斯康辛州的税收和开支 采取整体观点时 |
| 355 | 1986 when Governor Tommy Thompson was first governor. | 1986年,总督汤米·汤普森首任州长. |
| 356 | We need a long-term solution, not just quick fixes. | 我们需要一个长期的解决办法,而不仅仅是快速解决办法。 |
| 357 | I'll give you one more chance. | 我再给你一次机会 |
| 358 | You don't have a threshold though for where taxes will go up, what that income level is? | 你没有门槛,虽然 哪里的税收会上升, 该收入水平是什么? |
| 359 | This is about making sure that we're working with the legislature. | 这事关确保我们与立法机构合作. |
| 360 | They're the ones who have the power of the purse. | 他们拥有钱包的力量 |
| 361 | And so as I'm crafting my budget, I look forward to working with them. | 所以我在编制预算时, 我期待着与他们合作。 |
| 362 | Do voters deserve to know that ahead of the election? | 选民在选举之前是否应该知道这一点? |
| 363 | I think voters want to make sure that they have somebody who's going to work for them. | 我认为选民想要确保 他们有一个人 谁要去为他们工作。 |
| 364 | I think that's the premise of this entire election. | 我认为这是整个选举的前提。 |
| 365 | Who is your governor going to work for? | 你的州长会为谁工作? |
| 366 | I'm going to be the governor that's going to make sure that everybody has a seat at the table. | 我将成为州长 确保每个人都能坐到桌子上 |
| 367 | I was told that if you don't have a seat at the table, you're on the menu. | 有人告诉我,如果你在桌子上没有座位,你就在菜单上. |
| 368 | And many people in this state don't feel like they've been able to lend their voices to the | 这个州的很多人都觉得 他们无法把声音借给 |
| 369 | solution that's going to work for them because you have politicians like Congressman Tom Tiffany | 因为你有议员汤姆・蒂凡尼这样的政客 |
| 370 | who feels that they have to do the bidding of folks like the billionaires and Donald Trump. | 他们觉得他们必须做 像亿万富翁和唐纳德·特朗普这样的人 |
| 371 | Let's talk about school vouchers since we're on education. | 谈学券自教育. |
| 372 | This fall, the enrollment caps were lifted. | 今年秋天,入学上限被解除。 |
| 373 | We'll come back to it. | 师复问曰. |
| 374 | This fall, the enrollment caps were lifted for the statewide school voucher program, | 今年秋天,全州学校券计划的入学上限被取消, |
| 375 | which means more students than ever could receive a taxpayer-funded voucher to attend private school. | 这意味着比以往更多的学生可以领取纳税人资助的凭单,进入私立学校。 |
| 376 | Mr. Carly, other Democratic candidates have proposed ending the program, | Carly先生 其他民主党候选人提议结束这个计划 |
| 377 | including in the city of Milwaukee where it started, and some 30,000 students are currently enrolled. | 目前约有30 000名学生入学。 |
| 378 | Their concern is it diverts taxpayer money from public schools to private. | 他们关注的是,它将纳税人的钱从公立学校转移到私立学校。 |
| 379 | Will you sign legislation that ends Milwaukee's school voucher program? | 你会签署法律结束密尔沃基的学校券计划吗? |
| 380 | I think it's extremely important that folks understand that we cannot expand the voucher program in the state of Wisconsin. | 我认为极为重要的是,人们必须明白,我们不能在威斯康辛州扩大券计划。 |
| 381 | We have to make sure that we are increasing the funding for our public schools, | 我们必须确保增加我们公立学校的资金, |
| 382 | increasing and closing the special education reimbursement gap to make sure that our public schools have access to everything that they need. | 增加和缩小特殊教育报销缺口,以确保我们的公立学校能够获得他们需要的一切。 |
| 383 | Look, I went to public schools. | 我上过公立学校 |
| 384 | My oldest daughter just graduated from Milwaukee Public Schools, and my two youngest are there as well. | 我大女儿刚从密尔沃基公立学校毕业 我的两个小女儿也在 |
| 385 | And I want to make sure that all public schools across the state of Wisconsin, that they get access to the resources that they need. | 我想确保威斯康星州所有公立学校 都能获得他们所需要的资源 |
| 386 | But I don't think that you can just abruptly shut down this program because that will create an even burden on our public schools. | 但我不认为你能突然关闭这个计划 因为这会给我们的公立学校造成连累 |
| 387 | I mean, we have been seeing school dishes go to referendum after referendum because the state has not fulfilled its obligation, | 我的意思是,我们一直看到 学校的菜肴在公投后举行公投 因为国家没有履行其义务, |
| 388 | but also because they don't have the resources. | 也因为他们没有资源 |
| 389 | So you would veto any attempt to end Milwaukee's voucher program? | 所以你会否决任何结束密尔沃基的券计划的企图? |
| 390 | Yes, I would veto that. | 是的,我会否决的。 |
| 391 | In terms of the statewide expansion, you said you don't want it expanded. | 在全州扩张方面,你说你不想扩大. |
| 392 | Would you keep the current statewide program intact? | 你会保持当前全州程序完整吗? |
| 393 | We need to make sure that all voucher schools in the state of Wisconsin, I want to be very clear about this, | 我们需要确保威斯康辛州的所有证书学校 我要非常清楚这一点 |
| 394 | that they're held accountable, that they're transparent, and that they're held at the same standards of our public schools. | 他们被追究责任,他们透明, 他们被按照我们公立学校的同样标准对待。 |
| 395 | The way that they've written the legislation related to vouchers in public schools, it doesn't give us the ability to compare apples to apples. | 他们写立法的方式 与公办学校的票券有关, 它不给我们的能力 比较苹果与苹果。 |
| 396 | It's apples to oranges. | 这是苹果对橙子。 |
| 397 | And that's why I'm running to be the next governor to make sure that we're holding these schools accountable. | 这就是为什么我要竞选下一任州长 确保我们追究这些学校的责任 |
| 398 | Would you keep it intact? | 你能保持它完整吗? |
| 399 | Would you keep the current program intact? | 你能保持当前程序完整吗? |
| 400 | Keeping the current program intact? | 保持当前程序完整吗 ? |
| 401 | This is about, I will work with the legislature, but as of this moment, we are not in a position to push all these children towards any of our public schools. | 这是关于,我会与立法机构合作,但从此刻起,我们无法将所有这些儿童推向我们的任何公立学校。 |
| 402 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 403 | Mr. Tiffany, income limits are still in place with the program. | Tiffany先生, 收入限额 仍然与方案。 |
| 404 | Would you push to remove those limits? | 你会推动去除这些限制吗? |
| 405 | So let's unpack what has been talked about here. | 所以,让我们整理一下这里讨论的内容。 |
| 406 | And this is really good that we're talking about education because it's always been one of the cornerstone issues that we deal with because Wisconsin has a long, proud tradition of educating children well. | 这是非常好的,我们谈论教育, 因为它一直是我们处理的基石之一, 因为威斯康星州有长期,自豪的传统, 教育好儿童。 |
| 407 | So first of all, we're spending over $18,000 per student in Wisconsin at this point, $24,000 in Milwaukee. | 因此,首先,我们花在威斯康星州每个学生18,000美元以上,在密尔沃基州24,000美元。 |
| 408 | We put a lot of money into our educational system. | 我们给教育系统投入了很多钱。 |
| 409 | We need to make sure that we have results. | 我们需要确保我们有结果。 |
| 410 | I talk about three things out on the campaign trail. | 我在竞选路线上谈了三件事 |
| 411 | Affordability, accountability, and common sense. | 负担能力、问责制和常识。 |
| 412 | And this falls under accountability. | 这属于问责制。 |
| 413 | We need to make sure that our schools are accountable for success. | 我们必须确保我们的学校对成功负责。 |
| 414 | We look at our Department of Public Instruction. | 我们看看我们的公共指导部。 |
| 415 | In particular, since COVID, we've had declining standards in Wisconsin. | 特别是,自COVID以来,我们在威斯康辛州的标准不断下降. |
| 416 | That's unacceptable. | 这是不可接受的。 |
| 417 | We have to set higher standards. | 我们必须制定更高的标准。 |
| 418 | We're going to put in the Tiffany administration, we're going to put more money into schools, but we're going to demand that accountability. | 我们要把蒂凡尼政府, 给学校投入更多的资金, 但我们要要求这种问责制。 |
| 419 | We're going to set higher standards. | 我们要设定更高的标准。 |
| 420 | We're going to get parents honest report cards. | 我们要得到父母诚实的成绩单。 |
| 421 | We're going to make sure that when money goes to schools, it goes in the classroom. | 我们要保证当钱到学校的时候,钱到教室里去. |
| 422 | We should pay good teachers more money. | 我们应该给好老师更多的钱。 |
| 423 | And we should make sure that teachers are safe in the classroom. | 我们应该确保老师在课堂上的安全。 |
| 424 | What's that? | 这是什么? |
| 425 | The income limits. | 收入限制。 |
| 426 | Would you push to remove those income limits on the vouchers? | 你会推动取消这些 收入限制在凭单? |
| 427 | So my wife and I, we sent our kids to the local public school up in Monaco. | 所以,我的妻子和我, 我们送我们的孩子 当地公立学校 在摩纳哥。 |
| 428 | I just think people should have whatever choice that they make. | 我只是觉得人们应该有 他们做出的任何选择。 |
| 429 | We made the choice of public schools. | 我们选择了公立学校。 |
| 430 | Regardless of income? | 无论收入如何? |
| 431 | And if a child is trapped in a failing school, they should be able to choose the school that they want to go to. | 如果一个孩子被困在失败的学校里,他们应该能够选择他们想去的学校. |
| 432 | So would you sign a bill that removes the income limits? | 你会签署一项取消收入限额的法案吗? |
| 433 | We should make sure that people have choices. | 我们应该确保人们有选择。 |
| 434 | Regardless of your zip code in Wisconsin, you should be able to get your kid a good education. | 不管你在威斯康辛州的拉链密码 你应该能让你的孩子接受好教育 |
| 435 | A bill is on your desk that removes the income limits. | 您的办公桌上有一份取消收入限制的账单。 |
| 436 | Do you sign it? | 你签了吗? |
| 437 | I would be willing to raise those income limits, but I would sit down and take a look at where we should move them at this time. | 我愿意提高这些收入限额,但我愿意坐下来,看看我们现在应该把它们移到哪里。 |
| 438 | I mean, this is a prime example of exactly who the congressman works for. | 我的意思是,这是一个典型的例子 确切的议员为谁工作。 |
| 439 | I mean, when this program was started, it was to make sure that low-income students all across the state of Wisconsin got access to some type of option. | 我的意思是,当这个方案开始的时候, 它是为了确保 低收入学生 在所有威斯康辛州 获得某种选择。 |
| 440 | And what ended up happening? | 结果呢? |
| 441 | They kept lifting the cap. | 他们一直举起帽子 |
| 442 | And what they do next? | 他们接下来会做什么? |
| 443 | They lifted the income limits. | 他们取消了收入限制。 |
| 444 | Those who are actually paying for private education then started utilizing public dollars to pay for their child's education. | 那些实际支付私人教育费用的人然后开始使用公款支付其子女的教育费用。 |
| 445 | I mean, Congressman Tom Tiffany, it doesn't sound like you want to work for the small guys. | 汤姆·蒂凡尼议员 听起来你并不想为小伙工作 |
| 446 | It sounds like you want to work for those who have the money and have the means to continue to pay their way. | 听起来你想要为那些有钱人工作,并且有手段继续支付他们的方式. |
| 447 | This is what this election is about. | 这就是这次选举的目的。 |
| 448 | And this is why we can't allow governor there to be a governor, Tom Tiffany. | 这就是为什么我们不能允许州长 有个州长,汤姆蒂凡尼。 |
| 449 | By the way, he did not answer the question in regards to will he raise taxes to pay for what he wants to do. | 顺便说一句,他没有回答他是否愿意提高税收以支付他想要做的事情的问题。 |
| 450 | We know what the answer is. | 我们知道答案是什么。 |
| 451 | Because he said higher taxes are not a burden. | 因为他说,更高的税收不是一个负担。 |
| 452 | I think we should give people more choices here in Wisconsin in regards to being able to get their children educated. | 我认为我们应该给在威斯康辛的人更多的选择 让他们的孩子接受教育。 |
| 453 | Regardless of your zip code, you should get a good education in Wisconsin. | 不管你的拉链密码, 你应该在威斯康辛州接受良好的教育。 |
| 454 | We've had declining standards now. | 我们已经有下降的标准了。 |
| 455 | We've fallen behind Mississippi. | 我们落后于密西西比州。 |
| 456 | Seven in ten fourth graders are not proficient readers at this point. | 四年级学生中,有七分之一在此时不擅长阅读. |
| 457 | We've got to get our educational system back. | 我们必须恢复我们的教育制度。 |
| 458 | Congressman Tom Tiffany continues to misrepresent my record because he can't defend what he has done in Washington, D.C. | 议员汤姆·蒂凡尼继续歪曲我的记录,因为他无法为他在华盛顿特区的所作所为辩护. |
| 459 | As county executive, we have been able to make sure that there is affordable housing. | 作为郡行政官,我们一直能够确保有负担得起的住房。 |
| 460 | We have the lowest unsheltered homeless count per capita than any community in the United States. | 我们的无家可归者人数比美国任何一个社区都低。 |
| 461 | We have been able to do all of that while also lowering the property tax. | 在降低财产税的同时,我们做到了所有这些。 |
| 462 | We are going to move on to transportation funding. | 我们将转向运输资金。 |
| 463 | Tonight, the average price of gas in Wisconsin is $4.16. | 今晚,威斯康辛州天然气的平均价格是4.16美元. |
| 464 | The current state budget relies heavily, nearly a billion dollars, on using the income and sales tax to fund transportation spending. | 目前的国家预算严重依赖近10亿美元的收入和销售税来资助交通开支。 |
| 465 | At some point, a more permanent source will be needed, whether it's increased user fees, tolls, or raising the gas tax. | 在某些时候,无论是增加使用费,通行费,还是提高天然气税,都需要更永久的来源. |
| 466 | So we're going to try this one at a time, a yes or no answer. | 所以我们要一次尝试这个,一个是或没有答案. |
| 467 | When it comes to transportation funding, Mr. Tiffany, are you open to new user fees, yes or no? | 关于交通经费,蒂凡尼先生,你愿意接受新的使用费吗? |
| 468 | No. | 没有 |
| 469 | Are you open to tolling, yes or no? | 你愿意接受吗? |
| 470 | No. | 没有 |
| 471 | Are you open to indexing the gas tax to inflation, which hasn't happened since 2005? | 你是否愿意将天然气税与通货膨胀挂钩,这自2005年以来就没有发生过? |
| 472 | I am not. | 我没有。 |
| 473 | No. | 没有 |
| 474 | Mr. Crowley, are you open to new user fees for transportation funding? | Crowley先生 你愿意接受新的交通费吗? |
| 475 | I am open. | 我开放。 |
| 476 | Are you open to tolling? | 你愿意收费吗? |
| 477 | I think we should be open. | 我认为我们应该开放。 |
| 478 | And are you opening to indexing the gas tax? | 你愿意把煤气税指数化吗? |
| 479 | No. | 没有 |
| 480 | Somewhat different answers. | 有点不同 |
| 481 | Now we can explain, Mr. Tiffany, no to all of the above. | 现在,我们可以解释,蒂凡尼先生, 不对上述所有。 |
| 482 | How do you fund transportation? | 你怎么资助交通? |
| 483 | Yeah, we're going to put more money into transportation via the budgeting process. | 是的,我们将投入更多的资金 通过预算编制过程的运输。 |
| 484 | We did that when I was in the legislature and serving on the Joint Finance Committee. | 当我在议会任职 并在联合财政委员会任职时 我们做到了 |
| 485 | We are going to put additional money into transportation, and we need to. | 我们将投入额外的资金用于运输,我们需要这样做。 |
| 486 | By the way, as I came in tonight, you saw, I saw a very good reason why. | 顺便说一下,我今晚来的时候 你看到了,我看到了一个很好的理由 |
| 487 | As we went past the Brewer Stadium, you see that stretch, three and a half miles here in Milwaukee, | 当我们经过布鲁尔体育场时 你看到那个伸展处 在密尔沃基的三英里半 |
| 488 | that it's supposed to take eight years to fix that piece of interstate. | 需要八年时间才能修好那块州际公路 |
| 489 | The current Department of Transportation has now said that it's going to take 10 years. | 现交通局已表示要花十年时间. |
| 490 | As governor, it is not going to take 10 years. | 作为州长,这不会需要10年。 |
| 491 | It's not going to take eight years to finish that stretch. | 完成这段拉伸期不需要八年时间. |
| 492 | Because I've talked to restaurateurs here in downtown Milwaukee who have talked about how that's harming their business. | 因为我和密尔沃基市中心的教职工谈过了 他们谈论了这对他们生意的危害 |
| 493 | I talked to people out in the suburbs that say that we don't go downtown Milwaukee because we have to fight our way through those delays in traffic. | 我和郊区的人谈过 说我们不去密尔沃基市中心 因为我们必须克服交通延误 |
| 494 | We should not have transportation projects that take eight years for three and a half miles, | 我们不应该有交通项目 需要8年时间 3个半英里, |
| 495 | and they will not when I become governor because we are going to put additional money into transportation. | 而当年我当州长时 他们不会这么做的 因为我们要把更多的钱投入运输 |
| 496 | Thank you, Mr. Crawley. | 谢谢你,克劳利先生。 |
| 497 | Let me get you on your answers first, though. | 我先告诉你答案 |
| 498 | Speaker Voss has been a long advocate of tolling, maybe something you both agree on. | 沃斯议长长期以来一直主张收费 也许你们都同意 |
| 499 | So yes to new user fees, possibly yes to looking at tolling. | 所以,是的,新的用户费, 可能是在看收费。 |
| 500 | Talk to me about your transportation funding plans. | 跟我说说你的交通计划 |
| 501 | Well, I want to first start off by letting folks know that Congressman Tom Tiffany doesn't have any plans. | 首先我要告诉大家 议员汤姆·蒂凡尼没有任何计划 |
| 502 | I mean, Congressman Tiffany literally just said that he will cut billionaire taxes to zero percent. | 我的意思是,议员蒂凡尼 字面上说,他会削减 亿万富翁税为零。 |
| 503 | And how are we going to fund transportation? | 我们怎么资助运输? |
| 504 | He has no clue. | 他没有线索。 |
| 505 | How are you going to get the revenues when you continuously cut the amount of revenues coming into government? | 当你不断削减进入政府的收入时,你将如何获得收入? |
| 506 | This is the reason why cities, towns, villages and our school districts all across the state are struggling today. | 这也是全州城市,城镇,村庄和我们校区今天都在挣扎的原因. |
| 507 | And that's because he doesn't work for the people. | 那是因为他不为人民工作 |
| 508 | He's working for the billionaires. | 他为亿万富翁工作. |
| 509 | He's going to do anything and everything that they tell him to do because that's who he's been in the pockets of. | 他会做他们要他做的任何事 因为那是他一直在口袋里 |
| 510 | Look, we have to focus on bringing all of our local communities together. | 听着,我们必须集中力量 把我们所有的当地社区聚集在一起 |
| 511 | We have to work with everyone when it comes down to how we're going to fund government as a whole, because we rely on it. | 说到如何资助整个政府的时候,我们必须和大家合作,因为我们依靠它. |
| 512 | We rely on good bridges and good roads. | 我们依靠良好的桥梁和良好的道路。 |
| 513 | We rely on great public schools. | 我们依赖伟大的公立学校。 |
| 514 | We rely on getting access to public health and health care whenever we need it, wherever we are. | 我们依靠在有需要时,无论身在何处,都能获得公共卫生和保健。 |
| 515 | Right now, this is a prime example of this is why we need a governor who's going to work for us, | 现在,这是一个很好的例子 这就是为什么我们需要一个州长 谁为我们工作, |
| 516 | who's going to be focusing on doing what's right, not what they're told to do. | 谁要专注于做正确的事 而不是他们被告知要做的事 |
| 517 | Let's move on to data centers. | 我们继续去数据中心吧 |
| 518 | Hang on just a second, please. | 请等一下 |
| 519 | He said that I'm going to cut taxes to zero. | 他说我要减税到零 |
| 520 | That is inaccurate. | 这是不准确的。 |
| 521 | At any point, you gentlemen have interviewed me various times through this campaign. | 无论何时,你们先生们都通过这次竞选 不同时间采访我。 |
| 522 | Have I ever said we're going to cut taxes to zero? | 我有说过我们会把税减到零吗? |
| 523 | I have not. | 我没有 |
| 524 | He's misrepresenting our positions, and he's over there ranting constantly about billionaires. | 他歪曲了我们的立场, 他在那里不停地叫着亿万富翁。 |
| 525 | We need a governor that's going to be focused on people here in Wisconsin to do what's best for Wisconsin, | 我们需要一位州长 专注于威斯康星州的人 来为威斯康星州做最好的事 |
| 526 | not worrying about others, not announcing what you're against, but telling people what you're for. | 不担心别人, 不宣布你反对什么, 但告诉人们你是为了什么。 |
| 527 | I'm for putting more money into people's pockets. | 我同意把更多的钱投入到人们的口袋里 |
| 528 | And we have enough money in the state budget that we can fund things like transportation. | 我们的国家预算有足够的资金, 来资助交通。 |
| 529 | We can fund things like education. | 我们可以资助诸如教育之类的事情。 |
| 530 | They just need to be prioritized, and I will prioritize education, transportation, health care, and other things like that first. | 他们只是需要优先处理,我将首先优先处理教育、交通、医疗保健和其他诸如此类的事情。 |
| 531 | Let's talk about data centers. | 让我们谈谈数据中心。 |
| 532 | In Wisconsin Rapids, a new data center is proposed on the old paper mill site. | 在威斯康星州Rapids,旧造纸厂站点上提出了一个新的数据中心. |
| 533 | Others are under construction. | 其他项目正在建造中。 |
| 534 | A resident there recently told us that neither of you are advocating for Wisconsinites, saying, | 那边的一位居民最近告诉我们 你们都没有为威斯康辛人辩护说 |
| 535 | quote, at the end of the day with those two, I don't think any of us have really put any stock into what they're saying | 引用,在一天结束时, 与这两个,我不认为我们 真正把任何股票 他们所说的 |
| 536 | because they both make conflicting statements about it in the past, end quote. | 因为他们在过去都做了相互矛盾的陈述 结尾引用 |
| 537 | So, Mr. Crowley, what would you tell that voter? | 那么,克劳利先生,你会怎么跟选民说? |
| 538 | What I would tell that voter is this is about making sure you have a seat at the table. | 我要告诉选民的,这是关于确保你有一个席位。 |
| 539 | You know, when it comes down to data centers, we need to make sure we're protecting our environment, protecting our land, | 你知道,当它涉及到数据中心, 我们需要确保 我们保护我们的环境, 保护我们的土地, |
| 540 | protecting our farmland, protecting our waterways, but communities need to have a seat because if they don't want a data center, | 保护我们的农田,保护我们的水道, 但社区需要有一个座位 因为如果他们不想一个数据中心, |
| 541 | they shouldn't be forced to have a data center. | 他们不应该被迫有一个数据中心。 |
| 542 | There's no if, ands, or buts about that. | 没有,如果,和,或 但是关于这一点。 |
| 543 | I've always sided with communities and the people when it comes down to data centers. | 我总是站在社区和人们一边 当它来到数据中心。 |
| 544 | Tom Tiffany议员 他做了不同的事情 | |
| 545 | I mean, he provided the tax breaks to the big tech companies who are steamrolling our communities today with these data centers. | 我的意思是,他为那些大科技公司提供了税收减免, 这些公司今天正在用这些数据中心来推动我们的社区。 |
| 546 | He also voted to fast track the development of data centers without any environmental review or without local communities having a seat at the table. | 他还在没有任何环境审查或当地社区没有席位的情况下,投票决定加快数据中心的发展。 |
| 547 | I want that voter to know, don't pay attention to what Congressman Tom Tiffany has been saying here in the state of Wisconsin. | 我想让选民知道 别理会议员汤姆·蒂芬尼 在威斯康辛州说的话 |
| 548 | Just look at his record as he's been in Washington, D.C. | 看看他在华盛顿特区的记录 |
| 549 | Mr. Tiffany, what would you tell that voter who says that you've both made conflicting statements about data centers? | Tiffany先生,你会怎么告诉那个选民 谁说你们都做了关于数据中心的相互矛盾的陈述? |
| 550 | I want to meet that voter. | 我想见见那个选民。 |
| 551 | And when we get to the through the final couple of weeks here of this campaign, I want them to come to Wisconsin Rapids because we're going to stop in 55 communities across the state. | 当我们到达最后的几个星期, 我希望他们来威斯康星州拉皮兹, 因为我们要停在全州55个社区。 |
| 552 | Just like I've been campaigning over the last year covering all 72 counties. | 就像去年我一直在竞选 覆盖所有72个县。 |
| 553 | I hope to meet that voter because I'll tell them the same message that I've been doing in my tavern talks across the state, which I've done dozens of them. | 我希望见到那个选民,因为我将告诉他们我在全州范围内的酒馆谈话中所做的同样信息,我做了几十次. |
| 554 | And it's the same answer every time. | 则每回同答. |
| 555 | Five things. | 五事众生. |
| 556 | No data centers unless they make sure that our utility rates will not go up. | 没有数据中心,除非它们确保我们的电费不会上升。 |
| 557 | No subsidies for these data centers. | 这些数据中心没有补贴。 |
| 558 | That there be local control. | 当地有控制 |
| 559 | Local people should have input in whether a data center is being located in their local community. | 当地人应该对是否在其当地社区设立数据中心有所投入。 |
| 560 | We're going to make sure that also that they are not built. | 我们会确保它们不是建造的 |
| 561 | They are not built on our beautiful farmland here in Wisconsin. | 他们不是在威斯康辛州我们美丽的农田上建造的 |
| 562 | And we will also make sure in addition to that local control that local communities have that say they have that say and I will make sure that that happens. | 除了当地的控制之外,我们还将确保当地社区有他们有这种控制,我将确保这样做。 |
| 563 | And I would just continue. | 我会继续的 |
| 564 | There's a clear difference between David and myself. | 大卫和我之间有明显的区别 |
| 565 | And he's correct about that. | 他说得对 |
| 566 | David's been for subsidies from the very beginning. | 大卫从一开始就申请补贴 |
| 567 | I would say to that person in Wisconsin Rapids. | 我要对威斯康辛州拉皮兹的那个人说 |
| 568 | I've been against these subsidies. | 我一直反对这些补贴。 |
| 569 | Why would the wealthiest some of the wealthiest companies in the world need subsidies from the taxpayers of Wisconsin? | 为什么世界上最富有的公司 需要威斯康辛州纳税人的补贴? |
| 570 | I'm opposed to them. | 我反对他们。 |
| 571 | David also called for they be powered by wind and solar. | 大卫也要求它们由风和太阳能供电. |
| 572 | So you take just the Mount Pleasant and Port Washington sites. | 所以,你只是取 山普莱森特和华盛顿港遗址。 |
| 573 | It would take 100,000 acres of solar panels in order to in order to power them. | 需要10万英亩的太阳能电池板才能发电。 |
| 574 | That's crazy to do that. | 这太疯狂了 |
| 575 | That's going to raise our electricity rates. | 这将提高我们的电费。 |
| 576 | But it's also ultimately going to raise our food costs because it's going to sideline some of our beautiful farmland here in Wisconsin. | 但它也最终会提高我们的食品成本 因为它会让位于我们威斯康辛州的一些美丽的农田 处于边缘。 |
| 577 | I want to be very clear. | 我想说清楚 |
| 578 | I've always said that I was open to reforming the sales tax incentives that these data centers have been getting. | 我总是说,我愿意 改革销售税刺激措施 这些数据中心一直在得到。 |
| 579 | And if there's a bill that comes to my desk removing all the sales tax incentives, I absolutely will assign that. | 如果有帐单在我桌上 取消了所有的销售税优惠, 我绝对会指定。 |
| 580 | But again, you can't trust what Congressman Tom Tiffany is saying today because he's already given them 80 billion dollars in tax breaks today. | 但还是不能相信 汤姆·蒂凡尼议员今天所说的话 因为他今天已经给了他们800亿美元的税收减免 |
| 581 | See, he wants to tell you something different while he's grunting for governor. | 你看,他想告诉你一些不同的东西 而他要求州长。 |
| 582 | But just look at his record. | 但看看他的记录 |
| 583 | So I just want to share a comment in regards to this. | 因此,我只想谈谈对此的看法。 |
| 584 | So one part that I missed in there is that there will be no there will be full transparency as part of the conditions in order to be able to do this in Wisconsin when I become governor. | 因此,我错过了其中一部分, 将不会有完全的透明度 作为条件的一部分, 以便能在威斯康辛州做到这一点 当我成为州长。 |
| 585 | We should have full not full disclosure, no non non non non disclosure agreements that are out there. | 我们应该有完全的不完全的披露, 没有非非不 不披露协议 在那里。 |
| 586 | Also, David just said that he's been always open to this. | 而且,大卫只是说 他一直开放这一点。 |
| 587 | I have been consistent over the last year that we are not going to pay those subsidies to these companies. | 去年我一直坚持不向这些公司支付这些补贴。 |
| 588 | He just came around in the last week when he figured out that's where the public is. | 他上周才来,当他发现 公众在那里。 |
| 589 | I will not put my finger to the wind when making decisions like this, in particular, when it's the right decision. | 我不会把手指对着风 当做这样的决定, 尤其是当它是正确的决定。 |
| 590 | Mr. Crowley quickly will let you respond. | 克劳利先生会很快让你回复的 |
| 591 | Are you pushing or backing a moratorium at this point? | 你是在推动还是支持暂停? |
| 592 | I know that there's an environmental review that is going on. | 我知道有一个环境审查正在进行。 |
| 593 | And at this moment, we know that there's a pause related to data centers being built. | 此时此刻,我们知道 与正在建设的数据中心有关的暂停。 |
| 594 | And I support the pause until that environmental review as this environmental group goes through the process. | (笑声) 我支持暂停,直到环境审查结束, 因为这个环境小组正在经历这个过程。 |
| 595 | I want to be very clear. | 我想说清楚 |
| 596 | You know, we need to make sure that we actually have more renewables because this helps actually bring down costs. | 我们需要确保我们有更多的可再生能源 因为这样可以降低成本。 |
| 597 | Yes, we need non disclosure agreements. | 是的,我们需要不披露协议。 |
| 598 | Yes, we need to make sure that local communities have a seat at the table. | 是的,我们需要确保地方社区在议席上有一个席位。 |
| 599 | But Congressman Tom Tiffany, the last thing that we need to do when it comes down to energy is burn more coal, which is something that you supported. | 但是,议员汤姆·蒂凡尼,当它涉及到能源时,我们最不需要做的就是烧更多的煤,这是你支持的. |
| 600 | Let's move on. | 让我们继续前进。 |
| 601 | Mr. Crowley, in the primary, you be Democratic socialist Francesca Hong by fewer than 4000 votes. | 克劳利先生,你以不到4000票成为民主社会主义者弗朗切斯卡·洪。 |
| 602 | She recently told us in an interview, quote, I think it's important that David lets our supporters know he shares our values. | 她最近在一次采访中告诉我们, 引用,我认为这很重要 大卫让我们的支持者知道他分享我们的价值观。 |
| 603 | So to those who voted for Miss Hong and are questioning whether to support you, what specific values of the Democratic socialist agenda do you share? | 所以,对那些投票支持洪小姐并正在质疑是否支持你的人,你们分享民主社会主义议程的具体价值是什么? |
| 604 | You know, as we traveled across the state of Wisconsin, I had an opportunity to talk to not just Hong supporters, but all supporters. | 你知道,当我们穿越威斯康星州时, 我有机会 不仅与洪的支持者, 而且与所有支持者交谈。 |
| 605 | I'm talking to Democrats, Republicans, independents, people who don't care about politics. | 我在和民主党人,共和党人,独立人士,不关心政治的人交谈. |
| 606 | And you know what? | 你知道吗? |
| 607 | They agree with our platform. | 他们同意我们的纲领。 |
| 608 | They agree that we need to expand badger care as an alternative to for profit insurance. | 他们同意,我们需要扩大恶棍护理,作为利润保险的替代办法。 |
| 609 | They believe that we have to hold billionaires accountable when they're making hand over fist and receiving tax breaks at the whim of the votes of Congressman Tom Tiffany. | 他们认为,当亿万富翁在议员汤姆·蒂凡尼的投票中 交出拳头,接受减税时,我们必须追究他们的责任。 |
| 610 | They believe that we have to fully fund our education system and make sure that all of our children get access to child care. | 他们认为,我们必须充分资助我们的教育系统,并确保我们的所有儿童都能获得儿童保育。 |
| 611 | And I'm glad to have the support of those who believe in the same things that I believe in, because that's what's going to move the state of Wisconsin. | 我很高兴得到那些相信同样我所信仰的东西的人的支持,因为这是要移动威斯康星州的原因. |
| 612 | That's what's going to show these all individuals that I'm going to be a governor for them, not for those who are funding my campaign. | 使这些个人明白,我要为他们当州长,而不是资助我竞选的人. |
| 613 | Do you support any of the platform? | 你支持任何平台吗? |
| 614 | Which part of the platform are we talking about? | 我们谈论的是平台的哪一部分? |
| 615 | I'm not familiar with the DSA platform to be answering that question. | 我并不熟悉DSA平台来回答这个问题. |
| 616 | Mr. Tiffany, in Congress, you voted against certifying the results of the 2020 election and attempted to disqualify hundreds of thousands of votes from absentee voters in Milwaukee and Dane counties. | Tiffany先生,在国会,你投票反对核证2020年选举结果,并试图取消密尔沃基郡和丹麦郡缺席选民数十万票的资格。 |
| 617 | Why did you join attempts to overturn the results of the election? | 你为什么要加入推翻选举结果的企图? |
| 618 | So before I answer that, I think it's really important to talk about what David was just commenting about in regards to his support for Democrats' socialism. | 所以在我回答这个问题之前, 我认为谈谈大卫刚才在评论 他对民主党社会主义的支持 是非常重要的。 |
| 619 | What he said about a week or two before the primaries, he said there was very little difference between he and Francesca Hong. | 他在初选前大约一两周说的话,他说他和弗朗切斯卡·洪没有什么区别. |
| 620 | In fact, one of the only things he could think of is that he was supportive of data centers. | 事实上,他唯一能想到的就是 他支持数据中心。 |
| 621 | In fact, he wants Wisconsin to be the hub globally for data centers. | 实际上,他希望威斯康星州成为全球数据中心的枢纽. |
| 622 | That's what he said was very little difference. | 这就是他说的 没有什么区别。 |
| 623 | The DSA platform says things like, let's eliminate this U.S. Senate. | DSA平台说,比如,让我们消灭这个美国参议院. |
| 624 | Let's circle back to 2020 if you don't mind, Congressman, in terms of why you joined attempts to overturn the results of the election. | 让我们回到2020年,如果你不介意的话,议员, 关于你为什么参加推翻选举结果的尝试。 |
| 625 | I think it's really important to know. | 我觉得知道这一点很重要 |
| 626 | 他说我和Francesca Hong没什么区别 | |
| 627 | That sounds like a socialist to me. | 这听起来像一个社会主义者对我来说。 |
| 628 | To the question. | 问曰. |
| 629 | Just give me a briefing, just a brief recap. | 给我一个简报,只是一个简短的总结。 |
| 630 | Why did you join attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election? | 为什么你要加入推翻2020年选举结果的企图? |
| 631 | 我这样做的原因之一是Zuckerbuck, 如果你记得Mark Zuckerberg, Facebook亿万富翁, 他向威斯康星州投入了1500万美元。 | |
| 632 | And so he was trying to privatize our elections via electioneering. | 所以他试图通过选举 把我们的选举私有化。 |
| 633 | The people of the state of Wisconsin rejected that a few years later. | 几年后威斯康辛州人民拒绝了这一点. |
| 634 | I objected to Mark Zuckerberg putting $15 million in primarily in blue cities, not spreading it out throughout the state. | 我反对马克·扎克伯格 将1500万美元投向蓝色城市 而不是分散到全州 |
| 635 | And a couple years later, the people of the state of Wisconsin, when they had a chance to vote on this in a referendum, they said that we reject that. | 几年后,威斯康辛州人民, 当他们有机会在全民公投中投票时, 他们说我们反对这一点。 |
| 636 | We should not allow private money to go into what is a public process, our elections. | 我们不应允许私人资金进入一个公共进程,即我们的选举。 |
| 637 | That's why I objected, because the people of the state of Wisconsin, they did not want that. | 这就是为什么我反对, 因为威斯康辛州的人, 他们不希望。 |
| 638 | And by the way, the people of the state of Wisconsin have voted to enshrine photo ID into our Constitution. | 顺便说一句,威斯康辛州人民投票决定 将照片身份证载入我们的宪法。 |
| 639 | That's why you joined efforts to disqualify hundreds of thousands of absentee ballots in Milwaukee and Dane counties with Zuckerbuck's? | 这就是为什么你联合起来 在密尔沃基郡和达尼郡 以Zuckerbuck的缺席选票取消资格? |
| 640 | Yes, because of what happened there when there was money coming in privately that should not have been. | 是的,因为那里发生的事 当有钱来 私人,不应该。 |
| 641 | And the voters and the voters said that that should not be that way. | 选民和选民说,不应该这样。 |
| 642 | I mean, I can give you one other example of what happened there. | 我的意思是,我可以给你另一个例子 在那里发生了什么。 |
| 643 | There was the Dane County clerk who declared that people who are indefinitely confined, they could just declare themselves to be indefinitely confined during the election. | 当时有达内县书记官宣布,无限期禁闭的人,可以只是宣布自己在选举期间无限期禁闭. |
| 644 | That clerk did not have the authority to do that. | 那个职员无权这么做 |
| 645 | That requires an action by the state Senate and the governor to change that law. | 这需要州参议院和州长采取行动,改变这项法律。 |
| 646 | So there are a couple of things like that that I thought should be addressed. | 因此,我认为应该解决一些类似问题。 |
| 647 | Now, let's be very clear. | 现在,让我们非常清楚。 |
| 648 | The congressman just said that the only reason why he was willing to throw hundreds of thousands of votes here in the state of Wisconsin is because he disagreed on how somebody spent money. | 议员刚才说,他愿意在威斯康辛州投下数十万票的唯一原因是,他不同意某人如何花钱。 |
| 649 | He didn't say anything nefarious was going on with our elections. | 他没说我们选举有什么坏事 |
| 650 | He didn't say anything happened throughout the process. | 在整个过程中,他都没有说发生过任何事. |
| 651 | He just didn't like the fact of how money was being spent. | 他只是不喜欢钱怎么花的 |
| 652 | This is the reason why we need a governor who's going to work for the people of Wisconsin. | 这就是为什么我们需要一个州长 他将为威斯康辛州人民工作 |
| 653 | Yes, you may be able to disagree, but you still have to have dignity and integrity to make sure that you are actually carrying out the will of the people. | 是的,你也许可以不同意,但是你仍然需要有尊严和正直,以确保你真正地执行人民的意志. |
| 654 | You can't trust Congressman Tom Tiffany to certify the elections when it comes to the 2028 presidential election because he has shown us that because of one disagreement, he'll throw them out. | 你不能相信议员汤姆·蒂凡尼 在2028年总统大选时 认证选举 因为他向我们证明 因为有分歧 他会把他们赶出去 |
| 655 | This is why we need a governor who's going to work for you. | 这就是为什么我们需要一个州长 为你工作。 |
| 656 | We cannot afford to have Congressman Tom Tiffany as governor of Wisconsin. | 我们不能让议员汤姆·蒂凡尼 担任威斯康辛州州长 |
| 657 | Yeah, if I could just add, I added one other item in there, and that was the indefinite confinement. | 是的,如果我可以只补充, 我增加了另一个项目在那里, 这是无限期的禁闭。 |
| 658 | He broke the law, David. | 他触犯了法律,大卫。 |
| 659 | You know, clerks across the state of Wisconsin, they do a terrific job. | 威斯康辛州各地的书记员 他们的工作很出色 |
| 660 | One clerk in a different municipality has nothing to do with the entire state of Wisconsin. | 一个书记官在另一个市镇 与整个威斯康辛州无关 |
| 661 | May I finish my comment? | 我可以结束我的评论吗? |
| 662 | Clerks across the state of Wisconsin do a terrific job. | 威斯康辛州各地的职员都干得不错 |
| 663 | But in that instance, that clerk declared that people can just claim to be indefinitely confined. | 但在这种情况下,这位书记官宣布,人们只能声称无限期地被禁闭。 |
| 664 | That required a law change by the legislature to do that. | 这需要立法机构修改法律才能做到这一点。 |
| 665 | I do want to look to the future. | 我想展望未来 |
| 666 | The next governor will be responsible for certifying the results of the 2028 presidential election. | 下一任州长将负责认证2028年总统选举结果. |
| 667 | Mr. Tiffany, will you commit to doing so no matter the outcome? | Tiffany先生 无论结果如何 你都会承诺这么做吗? |
| 668 | I will certify the election in 2028, regardless of who the winner is. | 我将认证2028年的选举,无论谁是获胜者. |
| 669 | Mr. Crowley, will you commit to doing so no matter the outcome? | Crowley先生 无论结果如何 你会承诺这么做吗? |
| 670 | Mr. Tiffany, would you like to eliminate the Wisconsin Elections Commission? | 蒂芬尼先生,你想取消威斯康辛州选举委员会吗? |
| 671 | I think we need to sit down and have that discussion about do we make changes to the Wisconsin Elections Commission? | 我认为我们需要坐下来讨论一下我们是否要改变威斯康辛州选举委员会? |
| 672 | I mean, I'm one of the people that voted for it a decade ago. | 我是十年前投票支持的人之一 |
| 673 | We thought that we hit on the answer to be able to have an effective body, | 我们以为我们想要找到一个有效的机构 |
| 674 | but we need to make sure that there's accountability by the Wisconsin Elections Commission and they're carrying out their job. | 但我们得确保威斯康辛州选举委员会 对他们负责 他们正在履行职责 |
| 675 | I mean, there should be a simple principle in regards to our elections. | 我们的选举应该有一个简单的原则。 |
| 676 | It should be easy to vote and hard to cheat. | 应该容易投票,难于作弊. |
| 677 | We need to make sure that the Wisconsin Elections Commission is going to carry out that mandate for the voters of Wisconsin | 我们需要确保威斯康辛州选举委员会为威斯康辛州的选民执行这项任务。 |
| 678 | because they've proven over the last number of years they want election integrity. | 因为他们在过去的几年里证明了 他们想要选举的诚信 |
| 679 | Who would you give that authority to? | 你会把权力交给谁? |
| 680 | Voters have voted consistently for election integrity. | 选民始终如一地投票支持选举诚信。 |
| 681 | Who would you like to give that authority to, if not WECC? | 如果不是WEC,你想把权力交给谁? |
| 682 | That would be the question. | 这就是问题所在。 |
| 683 | Where do we turn that authority to? | 我们把权力转到哪里去? |
| 684 | That's why I say we are going to need to sit down and work with the legislature to see if there's another route to go. | 这就是为什么我说我们需要坐下来 与立法机构合作 看是否有其他路线要走。 |
| 685 | If there's not, then we will have to keep the Wisconsin Elections Commission. | 如果没有,那么我们就必须保留威斯康辛州选举委员会. |
| 686 | Mr. Crowley, do you consider... | 克劳利先生,你认为... |
| 687 | We had the Government Accountability Board and the Republicans didn't like that when they were actually doing an investigation | 我们有政府问责委员会 而共和党人并不喜欢 当他们正在进行调查时 |
| 688 | and then they scrapped that and they created the Wisconsin Election Commission. | 然后他们拆掉它 然后他们创建了威斯康辛州选举委员会 |
| 689 | It seems as if the Congressman wants to scrap that again because Donald Trump has had problems with our Wisconsin Election Commission | 看来众议员想重来一次 因为唐纳德·特朗普 对我们的威斯康辛州选举委员会有意见 |
| 690 | getting access to voter data because they have been the front line of defense. | 获得选民数据 因为他们一直是防线 |
| 691 | Look, I'm not saying that everything that they do is great, | 我不是说他们做的一切都很棒 |
| 692 | but you cannot sit there and say that you're going to change each and every single entity just because they disagree with you, | 但你不能坐在那里说 你要改变每一个实体 只是因为他们不同意你 |
| 693 | just because they are fighting back against those who continue to support your campaign, Congressman. | 议员,正因为他们反击那些 继续支持你竞选的人 |
| 694 | Any response? | 有反应吗? |
| 695 | Yeah, we may have to keep the Wisconsin Elections Commission. | 是的,我们可能得保留威斯康辛州选举委员会 |
| 696 | It's going to take an act of the legislature and the governor working with them. | 这需要立法机构和州长与他们合作的行为. |
| 697 | If there's not a willing legislature, we're not going to be able to do it. | 如果没有一个愿意的立法机构,我们就不能做到这一点. |
| 698 | It's going to take willing partners to be able to do that. | 要做到这一点,需要愿意的合作伙伴。 |
| 699 | This is a really important issue because elections are at the heart of making sure that people have faith in those very elections. | 这是一个非常重要的问题,因为选举是确保人民相信这些选举的核心。 |
| 700 | But it's not easy creating that entity. | 但创建这个实体并不容易 |
| 701 | As David talked about, there was the Government Accountability Board, then there's the Wisconsin Elections Commission. | 正如大卫所说,当时有政府问责委员会,然后是威斯康辛州选举委员会. |
| 702 | There's no perfect way to do this. | 岂有绝妙之法. |
| 703 | It's going to take thoughtful people getting together if there's going to be changes to the elections commission. | 如果选举委员会会有所改变,那需要周到的人聚在一起。 |
| 704 | We've always had free and fair elections. | 我们总是举行自由公正的选举. |
| 705 | I believe in the integrity. | 我相信诚信 |
| 706 | That's how I know that Donald Trump lost the race in 2020, and I can admit that while being on TV. | 所以我知道唐纳德·特朗普在2020年输掉了比赛,我可以承认,在上电视的时候. |
| 707 | All right, we're going to move on to abortion. | 好吧,我们要继续堕胎。 |
| 708 | Mr. Tiffany, you've said you would uphold Wisconsin's current law, which bans abortion after 20 weeks. | Tiffany先生 你说你会维护威斯康星州 20周后禁止堕胎的现行法律 |
| 709 | You've also, though, previously supported stricter bills, including one that banned abortion after six weeks, commonly known as a fetal heartbeat law. | 但你也曾支持过更严格的法案, 包括禁止六周后堕胎的法案, 俗称胎儿心跳法。 |
| 710 | If the legislature passed a fetal heartbeat law and it arrived on your desk, would you sign it as governor? | 如果立法机构通过胎心法 并把它送到你的桌子上, 你会签署它作为州长吗? |
| 711 | So a decade ago when I was in the state Senate, we passed a five month bill, 20 weeks officially. | 所以十年前 当我在州参议院时 我们通过了一个五个月的法案 20周正式通过 |
| 712 | But it's basically a five month bill. | 但它基本上是一个五个月的账单。 |
| 713 | And I voted for that bill. | 我投票支持那法案。 |
| 714 | And it's now the law in the state of Wisconsin. | 而现在威斯康辛州的法律。 |
| 715 | Five months. | 五个月 |
| 716 | And when I talked to my constituents, they said, we want you to find a middle ground on this. | 当我和我的选民交谈时,他们说, 我们希望你找到一个中间立场。 |
| 717 | We want you to compromise. | 我们要你们妥协 |
| 718 | And that's exactly what we did. | 而这正是我们所做的。 |
| 719 | I stand by that vote of a decade ago and I will uphold it as the governor of Wisconsin. | 我支持10年前的投票 我将坚持威斯康星州州长的立场 |
| 720 | So say the legislature passed a fetal heartbeat law and it lands on your desk. | 所以说,立法机构通过 胎儿心跳法 它降落在你桌上。 |
| 721 | You sign it. | 你签了 |
| 722 | Yes or no? | 是还是不是? |
| 723 | No. | 没有 |
| 724 | Mr. Crowley, you're proposing a constitutional amendment asking voters to enshrine a right to abortion in the state constitution. | Crowley先生 你提议修改宪法 要求选民将堕胎权写入州宪法 |
| 725 | Would you sign legislation that legalized abortion with no gestational limits? | 你会签署法律,使堕胎合法化,没有妊娠限制吗? |
| 726 | Look, I think it's extremely important that we have this constitutional amendment to protect women here in the state of Wisconsin like my three daughters. | 听着,我认为极其重要的是 我们有这个宪法修正案 来保护在威斯康星州的妇女 就像我的三个女儿一样 |
| 727 | I want to make sure that they continue to have access to the same rights that their mother and their grandmother had and keep politicians like Congressman Tom Tiffany out of the doctor's office. | 我要确保他们继续享有他们的母亲和祖母拥有的同样的权利,并让议员汤姆·蒂凡尼这样的政治家离开医生办公室。 |
| 728 | These are decisions that need to be made between a patient and a health care provider. | 这些决定需要在病人和保健提供者之间作出。 |
| 729 | And these aren't decisions that are made lightly. | 这些不是轻而易举的决定。 |
| 730 | The reason why we are asking for this constitutional amendment is because you have folks like Congressman Tom Tiffany who celebrated the fall of Roe v. Wade. | 我们之所以要求修改宪法 是因为你们有像 Tom Tiffany议员这样的人 庆祝Roe诉Wade案的倒台 |
| 731 | Women are holding their breath every four years just to make sure that they can get access to the care to protect themselves. | 妇女每四年屏住呼吸,以确保她们能够获得保护自己的护理。 |
| 732 | And we need to make sure that we're doing exactly that. | 我们需要确保 我们正这样做。 |
| 733 | So a bill lands on your desk that legalizes abortion with no gestational limits. | 所以,一个法案落到你的桌子上 合法堕胎 没有妊娠限制。 |
| 734 | You sign it. | 你签了 |
| 735 | Yes or no? | 是还是不是? |
| 736 | There was a woman in Western Wisconsin. | 威斯康辛西部有个女人 |
| 737 | Yes or no? | 是还是不是? |
| 738 | No, no. | 没有,没有。 |
| 739 | Let me finish my story. | 让我完成我的故事。 |
| 740 | There's a woman in Western Wisconsin who had two kids and was getting ready for her third. | 西威斯康辛州有个女人生了两个孩子,正在准备第三个孩子. |
| 741 | She went for a 20-week scan and found out that the fetus had no kidneys and that fetus was not going to last and was going to die. | 她进行了20周的扫描,发现胎儿没有肾脏,胎儿不会持续,要死了. |
| 742 | When she needed to get access to her care, she had to go all the way to Minnesota because she couldn't get the care that she needed here in the state of Wisconsin. | 当她需要获得护理时,她不得不一路前往明尼苏达州,因为她无法得到威斯康星州这里所需的护理. |
| 743 | And if Congressman Tiffany had his way with the decisions that he has made while in Washington, she wouldn't be able to go anywhere and would have had to carry that baby. | 如果蒂芬尼议员在华盛顿时 做出他的决定 她将无法去任何地方 |
| 744 | These decisions need to be made between a patient and a health care doctor. | 这些决定必须在病人和保健医生之间作出。 |
| 745 | But these are laws. | 但这些都是法律。 |
| 746 | So if the bill lands on your desk, you do what? | 所以,如果账单落在你的桌子上, 你做什么? |
| 747 | These are decisions that need to be made between the patient and a health care provider. | 这些决定需要在病人和保健提供者之间作出。 |
| 748 | I don't believe a law like that would actually reach my desk. | 我不相信这样的法律会到达我的办公桌 |
| 749 | So my name was used in his comments. | 因此,我的名字被用于他的评论中。 |
| 750 | And he said, women hold their breath. | 他说 女人屏住呼吸 |
| 751 | All you women out there, you will not have to hold your breath when I'm governor. | 所有的女人在那里, 你将不必屏住呼吸 当我是州长。 |
| 752 | I voted for a five-month bill when I was in the state Senate. | 我在州参议院时投票支持了一个为期五个月的法案. |
| 753 | I will uphold that law as the governor of the state of Wisconsin. | 我将以威斯康辛州州长的身份维护法律 |
| 754 | We need to find out. | 我们需要知道。 |
| 755 | I have been very clear where I stand. | 我一直很清楚我的立场。 |
| 756 | I've given the answer that I'm at five months. | 我已经回答我五个月了 |
| 757 | David just dodged the question again. | 大卫又回避了这个问题 |
| 758 | He refuses to say how many months will he stand for, because from what I'm hearing, he's up to full. | 他拒绝说他会站多久 因为从我听到的来看 他已经满了 |
| 759 | The full nine months is his answer. | 整整九个月就是他的答案。 |
| 760 | Well, I'll be very clear. | 好吧,我会非常清楚。 |
| 761 | These are discussions that need to be made between a doctor and a patient, Congressman. | 这些是医生和病人之间的讨论,议员。 |
| 762 | When you think about any type of abortion past the 20-week, it's usually dealing with extreme circumstances, just like the mother of a child. | 当你想到20周后的任何类型的堕胎, 它通常处理极端的情况, 就像孩子的母亲。 |
| 763 | You sit there talking about we should trust what you did 10 years ago. | 你坐在那里谈论我们应该相信你十年前的所作所为。 |
| 764 | But what did you do just three years ago when you decided to support one of the most extreme abortion bills in Congress, with no exception, to rape, to incest, or the life of the mother? | 但三年前你决定支持国会 最极端的堕胎法案之一时 你做了什么? 强奸,乱伦, 或母亲的生命? |
| 765 | Any response to where we're moving on? | 有反应吗? |
| 766 | My position's been consistent ever since I announced for governor. | 自从我宣布担任州长以来 我的立场就一直一致 |
| 767 | We once again did not hear where David Crowley stands on abortion. | 我们再次没有听到大卫·克劳利对堕胎的立场。 |
| 768 | We are going to move on, and we're going to look to expedite a little bit as we get closer to the end of the hour. | 我们要继续前进,随着时间的临近,我们期待加快一点. |
| 769 | Let's talk about ICE detainers. | 我们来谈谈ICE拘留犯 |
| 770 | A lawsuit is currently challenging the legality of ICE detainers in Wisconsin, a federal agreement that allows Wisconsin sheriffs to work with federal immigration officials in county jails. | 目前一项诉讼正在质疑威斯康辛州ICE拘留者的合法性,这项联邦协议允许威斯康辛州警长在县监狱与联邦移民官员合作. |
| 771 | Mr. Tiffany, you have expressed support for ICE detainers. | Tiffany先生 你对ICE拘留犯表示支持 |
| 772 | Would you attempt to mandate all Wisconsin sheriffs work with ICE? | 你会授权威斯康辛州所有警长 与ICE合作吗? |
| 773 | So sheriffs should work with ICE, and when you talk to most sheriffs around the state of Wisconsin, they do exactly that. | 所以警长应该与ICE合作 当你和威斯康星州的大部分警长交谈时 他们就是这么做的 |
| 774 | And here's why this is important. | 这就是为什么这很重要。 |
| 775 | If you have an illegal alien in your state and they have committed a crime, the only people that can remove that illegal alien are federal agents. | 如果你有非法外国人在你的州 他们已经犯罪, 唯一能够驱赶非法外国人的人 是联邦特工。 |
| 776 | Your county sheriff cannot. | 你的郡警长不能。 |
| 777 | So if you have someone that's in your county jail, it requires federal law enforcement to do it. | 所以如果你有个人 在你的县监狱, 它需要联邦执法 做到这一点。 |
| 778 | Here's what I will do. | 这就是我要做的。 |
| 779 | I will make sure that local, county, and state law enforcement coordinate with federal law enforcement, coordinate their actions. | 我将确保地方、县和州执法部门与联邦执法部门协调,协调行动。 |
| 780 | That way, when a detainer is issued from federal law enforcement saying there is an illegal alien that has committed a crime, that federal law enforcement can work seamlessly to remove them. | 如此一来,当一名拘留者从联邦执法部门获得许可,说有非法外国人犯罪时,联邦执法部门可以无缝地将他们带走. |
| 781 | Because it's best to remove them when they're in a setting like the county jail rather than out in the public. | 因为当他们身处类似郡监狱的境地,而不是在公众面前,最好将他们清除. |
| 782 | Would you mandate that by law? | 你会依法授权吗? |
| 783 | Yes, I believe we should. | 是的,我认为我们应该。 |
| 784 | They should honor detainers by the federal law enforcement. | 他们应该通过联邦执法部门来表彰被拘留者。 |
| 785 | Mr. Crowley, Milwaukee County, where you are county executive, does not participate and refuses to work with ICE. | 密尔沃基郡的克劳利先生 您是郡的行政主管 不参与 拒绝与ICE合作 |
| 786 | Why is that? | 为什么? |
| 787 | And would you attempt to ban sheriffs from working with ICE? | 你会试图禁止警长 与ICE合作吗? |
| 788 | Well, I want to be very clear. | 我想说清楚 |
| 789 | I don't support just a blanket ban when it comes down to cooperation. | 我并不支持一概禁止合作 |
| 790 | We need to follow the law. | 须依正法. |
| 791 | And as governor, I will enforce the law. | 作为州长,我将执行法律。 |
| 792 | But there are certain priorities I have when it comes down to ICE being in the state of Wisconsin. | 但对于ICE在威斯康辛州的情况,我有一些优先事项。 |
| 793 | First and foremost, we need to make sure that there are no contracts when it comes down to our local police departments and our sheriffs. | 首先,我们需要确保没有合同 当它下到我们的地方警察局和警长。 |
| 794 | We hire our local PD and our sheriffs to protect our local communities. | 我们雇用我们的当地警察和警长来保护我们的当地社区。 |
| 795 | If they can't do their job, which is based off of trust, how can we make sure that undocumented immigrants will call the police when they see a fire, when somebody is actually in need, because we've erode that trust. | 如果他们不能做他们的工作,这是基于信任的,我们如何确保无证移民在看到火灾时,当某人确实有需要时,会报警,因为我们已经侵蚀了这种信任. |
| 796 | The other thing that we need to make sure that we make sure is in place when it comes down to ICE is that they cannot wear masks. | 还有一件事我们需要确保 我们确保已经到位 当它涉及到ICE的时候是 他们不能戴面具。 |
| 797 | They cannot, they must show a badge and they cannot incite fear. | 他们不能,他们必须出示徽章,他们不能煽动恐惧。 |
| 798 | They have to let us know that they're in these communities. | 他们必须让我们知道他们在这些社区里 |
| 799 | And then third, they cannot come into our jails and our prison without a judicial warrant. | 第三,如果没有司法许可,他们不能进入我们的监狱和监狱。 |
| 800 | We need to make sure that we're protecting people's civil liberties. | 我们需要确保我们在保护人们的公民自由. |
| 801 | We have community members who are so afraid, who have been in this country since they were little kids, | 我们有社区成员 他们是如此害怕, 他们一直在这个国家 从他们小时候, |
| 802 | who work on the dairy farms that are in Congressman Tom Tiffany's district, who work in our factories, who help build our homes, who are taking care of our most vulnerable populations. | 他们在Tom Tiffany议员辖区的乳品农场工作 在我们的工厂工作 帮助建造我们的家园 照顾我们最脆弱的人口 |
| 803 | If we're talking about prosecuting criminals, then we need to do that and they absolutely need to be deported. | 如果我们说要起诉罪犯,那我们就必须这样做,他们绝对需要被驱逐出境. |
| 804 | But that's not what's been happening under this federal administration. | 但在这个联邦政府下,情况并非如此. |
| 805 | You would not attempt to ban the sheriffs from working with ICE, just to put a fine point on that. | 你不会试图禁止警长 与ICE合作, 只是给一个很好的点。 |
| 806 | Excuse me? | 你说什么? |
| 807 | You would not push to ban sheriffs from working with ICE. | 你不会逼我禁止警长 与ICE合作。 |
| 808 | I don't think none of our local police departments nor sheriffs should be working with ICE. | 我认为我们的地方警察局和警长 都不应该和ICE合作 |
| 809 | So this is a key difference in this campaign, and this is a very clear contrast between the two of us. | 因此,这是这场运动的关键区别,这是我们两个非常明显的对比. |
| 810 | David has said he will be not just an ally, but an accomplice for illegal aliens, an accomplice for illegal aliens that commit violent crimes. | 大卫已经说过,他不仅将是一个盟友,而且是非法外国人的共犯,是犯下暴力罪行的非法外国人的共犯. |
| 811 | I mean, think about the 12-year-old girl from Fond du Lac that was tied up by an illegal alien and threatened to sexually assault her. | 我的意思是,想想那个12岁的女孩 从Fond du Lac, 被一个非法的外星人绑起来,威胁要对她进行性侵犯。 |
| 812 | Are we going to protect somebody like that? | 我们要保护这样的人吗? |
| 813 | I don't believe we should. | 我认为我们不该这么做 |
| 814 | We should make sure that we work with federal law enforcement, do it in a coordinated fashion, and remove those who have committed crimes. | 我们应确保与联邦执法部门合作,以协调的方式开展工作,并清除那些犯罪的人。 |
| 815 | David said he wants to be an accomplice to that. | 大卫说他想成为同谋 |
| 816 | I'm going to make sure that we have safe streets here in Wisconsin. | 我会确保我们在威斯康辛有安全的街道 |
| 817 | I was just very clear right before the congressman said anything that anybody who has criminal behavior and they have been prosecuted, they need to be deported. | 在议员说任何 任何有犯罪行为并被起诉的人 都必须被驱逐出境 |
| 818 | I've been very clear on that. | 我很清楚这一点。 |
| 819 | And we need to make sure that we are protecting our communities. | 我们需要确保我们在保护我们的社区。 |
| 820 | As governor, that's going to be my number one priority, is making sure that we have safe communities, that we focus on public safety. | 作为州长,这将成为我的首要任务, 确保我们拥有安全的社区, 关注公共安全。 |
| 821 | But when it comes down to public safety, I can't take Congressman Tom Tiffany's series when it comes down to public safety. | 但到了公共安全,我不能拿 议员汤姆蒂凡尼的系列 当它下降到公共安全。 |
| 822 | I mean, we're talking about someone who literally praised the pardons of January 6ers, people who beat up cops, some of them who were convicted of child molestation. | 我的意思是,我们谈论的人字面上 称赞1月6日的赦免, 的人殴打警察, 一些人被判 儿童猥亵。 |
| 823 | We're talking about someone who actually protected the billionaire class by voting against the release of the Epstein file. | 我们说的是一个真正保护亿万富翁阶级的人 通过投票反对爱泼斯坦文件的发布. |
| 824 | So when it comes down to public safety, I just can't take the congressman's series. | 所以,当它涉及到公共安全, 我只是不能拿议员的系列。 |
| 825 | A real quick response. | 一个非常迅速的反应。 |
| 826 | We're moving on. | 我们继续前进。 |
| 827 | So he has said that he wanted wants to remove half of the prison inmates here in Wisconsin. | 他说他想把威斯康辛州一半的囚犯带走 |
| 828 | By definition, that will cause people with violent backgrounds out on the streets of Wisconsin. | 顾名思义,这将导致有暴力背景的人在威斯康辛的街头. |
| 829 | He also said a few years ago, we should have the conversation about defunding the police. | 他还说,几年前, 我们应该有谈话 关于取消警察经费。 |
| 830 | That's why the Milwaukee Police Union and Milwaukee deputy sheriffs have endorsed me, not their hometown candidate. | 这就是为什么密尔沃基警察联盟和密尔沃基副警长 认可了我,而不是他们的家乡候选人。 |
| 831 | I want to be very clear. | 我想说清楚 |
| 832 | You know, I worked with the Republican control legislature to pass Act 12 that brought more money to every single city town village to invest in fire, to invest in police, to invest in EMS services. | 我和共和党控制立法机关合作通过了第12号法案 该法案给每个城市的村庄带来了更多的资金 用于投资消防 投资警察 投资EMS服务 |
| 833 | Matter of fact, your hometown, Hazlehurst, got a 382% increase because of the deal that I brought to the table. | 事实上,你的家乡哈兹勒赫斯特 增加了382%,因为我提出的交易。 |
| 834 | Every single year that I've been county executive, we've increased funding into the sheriff's office. | 我当过郡行政官的每一年 我们都增加了对警长办公室的资助 |
| 835 | And right now we're working on creating the most historic investment and replacing the courthouse without the help of folks like Congressman Tiffany. | 现在,我们正在努力创造最历史性的投资 并取代法院 没有像蒂凡尼议员这样的人帮助。 |
| 836 | We're going to attempt to blow through a few more. | 我们要尝试通过 几多。 |
| 837 | Democrats have long advocated to legalize marijuana, tax it and use the revenue to fund numerous proposals. | 民主党人长期主张大麻合法化,征税,并利用收入资助众多提案. |
| 838 | Nearly half of all states have legalized recreational use, including our neighbors in Michigan, Illinois and Minnesota. | 近一半的州已经将娱乐使用合法化,包括我们在密歇根州,伊利诺伊州和明尼苏达州的邻居. |
| 839 | Mr. Tiffany, quickly, under what scenario would you sign a bill that fully legalized recreational marijuana use in Wisconsin? | Tiffany先生,快点,在什么情况下 你会签署一个法案 在威斯康辛州的休闲大麻使用完全合法化? |
| 840 | So what I would do is I believe we should start with medicinal marijuana. | 所以我认为应该从药用大麻开始 |
| 841 | I've talked to veterans and others with chronic pain, and we should do that. | 我和老兵和其他人谈过了 患有慢性疼痛 我们应该这么做 |
| 842 | I believe we should take a step-by-step approach. | 我认为,我们应该采取逐步的办法。 |
| 843 | I voted for additional funding for marijuana research in Congress, and I want to see the results of that research. | 我投票支持为国会的大麻研究提供额外资金,我希望看到研究的结果. |
| 844 | And I think that can help states guide them in deciding how they want to address this issue. | 我认为这可以帮助各国指导它们决定如何解决这一问题。 |
| 845 | Are you open to recreational? | 你愿意娱乐吗? |
| 846 | We're going to start with medicinal, and then we'll take a step-by-step approach. | 我们先从药学入手,然后采取逐步的方法. |
| 847 | Mr. Crowley, you said you support full legalization. | Crowley先生 你说你支持完全合法化 |
| 848 | What guardrails, if any, would you mandate in statewide legislation? | 你将在全州立法中规定哪些护栏? |
| 849 | Well, one, we have to make sure that we have guardrails in place. | 第一,我们得确保有护栏 |
| 850 | We have to protect our children. | 我们必须保护我们的孩子。 |
| 851 | We want to make sure that all of the labels are clearly identifiable, making sure that people know exactly what's in their product. | 我们要确保所有的标签都清晰可辨,确保人们确切知道产品中的内容. |
| 852 | And we have to go towards full legalization because this is an opportunity that we're missing out on as a state. | 我们必须走向完全的合法化, 因为这是我们作为一个国家正在错过的机会。 |
| 853 | Look, Governor Pritzker literally thanks Wisconsin residents because they have made $30 million in sales tax collection just from Wisconsin residents. | 普里茨克州长非常感谢威斯康辛州的居民 因为他们从威斯康辛州的居民那里 赚了3000万美元的销售税 |
| 854 | If we were to go to full legalization, we could bring in anywhere between $80 to $170 million, | 如果我们去完全合法化, 我们可以带来8000到1.7亿美元, |
| 855 | helping to invest in health care all across the state of Wisconsin without allowing our money, nor these opportunities to go to Illinois, Minnesota, or Michigan. | 帮助在威斯康星州投资医疗 而不让我们的钱, 也没有机会去伊利诺伊州,明尼苏达州或密歇根州。 |
| 856 | I want to ask about health care really quickly. | 我想问一下医疗情况 |
| 857 | 1.2 million Wisconsinites rely on Medicaid, including nearly 825,000 enrolled in badger care. | 120万威斯康辛人依靠医疗补助,包括将近82.5万人注册接受恶棍护理。 |
| 858 | Tonight, Wisconsin's Medicaid program has a projected $269 million shortfall for the current budget, | 今晚,威斯康辛州医疗补助计划 预计将有2.69亿美元 短缺的当前预算, |
| 859 | and that doesn't yet take into account changes from the big, beautiful bill that take effect in January. | 而这还不考虑1月份生效的大而美丽的法案的变化. |
| 860 | So, Mr. Tiffany, how will you address that shortfall specifically? | 那么,蒂凡尼先生,你将如何具体解决这一不足? |
| 861 | I really wish that I could give you a more in-depth answer comprehensively on health care because it is a critical issue. | 我真的希望,我可以就保健问题给你一个更深入的回答,因为它是一个关键问题。 |
| 862 | Here's what we've done in Congress. | 这就是我们在国会所做的 |
| 863 | We have authorized a $200 million rural health program that Wisconsin is going to receive that $200 million. | 威斯康星州将获得2亿美元。 |
| 864 | It's a $50 billion program. | 百亿计划. |
| 865 | Wisconsin's going to receive $200 million as a result of that to help get better access to health care for people in our rural communities throughout Wisconsin, including up where I live. | 威斯康星州将获得2亿美元 帮助我们整个威斯康星州 农村社区的人们更好地获得医疗保健服务 包括我住的地方 |
| 866 | Still dealing with the shortfall? | 还在解决短缺问题吗? |
| 867 | How do you address that? | 你怎么解释的? |
| 868 | And then in regards to Medicaid, we're going to get a billion dollars more as a result of the work of our congressional delegation. | 接下来关于医疗援助, 我们将会得到10亿美元多 由于我们国会代表团的工作。 |
| 869 | We have worked diligently since last year to procure another billion dollars. | 自去年以来,我们辛勤工作,以争取另外10亿美元。 |
| 870 | I can't wait to become governor when we can take our Department of Health Services and provide better access and higher quality for people across Wisconsin. | 我迫不及待的想当州长 趁着我们能接管我们的卫生服务部 给整个威斯康辛州的人提供更好的机会和更高的质量 |
| 871 | Mr. Crawley, quickly, apologies that we're running close to time. | 克劳利先生,快点,抱歉,我们快到了 |
| 872 | Well, we can legalize marijuana to help pay for that shortfall. | 我们可以把大麻合法化 来弥补短缺 |
| 873 | That will help bring in millions of dollars, hundreds of millions of dollars just in general. | 这将帮助带来数百万美元, 数亿美元只是一般。 |
| 874 | But again, you can't cut trust Congressman Tom Tiffany. | 再说一遍,你不能让Tom Tiffany议员失去信任 |
| 875 | He voted to cut a trillion dollars in Medicaid and Medicare on the backs of 270,000 Wisconsinites who rely on health care. | 他在27万威斯康星人依靠医疗照顾的背上投票削减一万亿美元的医疗补助和医疗保险. |
| 876 | There are families in his own district, three hospitals, matter of fact, three hospitals in the state that are at risk of closing, one of which is in his district. | 他所在的县内有家庭,三家医院,事实上,州内有三家医院有关闭的危险,其中一家在他所在县. |
| 877 | You can't trust Congressman Tom Tiffany when it comes down to health care because he'll slash it just to give it to the billionaire. | 你不能相信议员汤姆・蒂凡尼 下到保健 因为他会砍它 只是给亿万富翁。 |
| 878 | Wisconsin is going to get a billion dollars more as a result of our work. | 由于我们的工作,威斯康星州将获得十亿多美元. |
| 879 | We're solving the problem that he's talking about. | 我们正在解决他所说的问题。 |
| 880 | Again, he cut a trillion dollars for Medicaid and Medicare, and he didn't extend the Affordable Care Act subsidies that so many families are relying on and seeing the premiums double. | 再次,他削减了一万亿美元的医疗补助和医疗保障,他没有扩大"可负担的护理法案"的补贴,以至于如此多的家庭依赖,并且看到保险费翻了一番. |
| 881 | Thank you, because it is now time for closing statements. | 谢谢,因为现在是结束发言的时候了。 |
| 882 | We flip the coin with both campaigns present to determine the order. | 我们将硬币翻转,同时进行两次竞选以确定顺序。 |
| 883 | Each candidate will have one minute for a final thought, and we will begin with David Crawley. | 每位候选人将有一分钟的时间进行最后的思考,我们将从大卫·克劳利开始. |
| 884 | I'm running to be your governor because Wisconsin families are working harder than ever and still falling behind, and I get it. | 我跑去当你的州长 因为威斯康星州的家庭比以往更努力工作 并且仍然落后 我理解 |
| 885 | I grew up in a working class family and I'm raising three amazing dollars. | 我在一个工人阶级家庭长大,我正在筹集三个惊人的美元. |
| 886 | Congressman Tom Tiffany, he doesn't get it. | 汤姆·蒂凡尼议员 他不明白 |
| 887 | He went to Washington and he sold Wisconsin out. | 他去了华盛顿 把威斯康辛州卖了 |
| 888 | He went to go work for Donald Trump and a billionaires bankrolling him. | 他去为唐纳德·特朗普工作 和一个亿万富翁为他提供资金 |
| 889 | They got tax breaks. | 他们有减税。 |
| 890 | You got higher bills. | 你有更高的账单。 |
| 891 | They got tariffs. | 他们有关税。 |
| 892 | You got higher prices. | 你有更高的价格。 |
| 893 | They got their endless war. | 他们得到了他们的无休止的战争。 |
| 894 | You got record high gas prices. | 你有创纪录的高气价。 |
| 895 | This election is about who your governor works for. | 这次选举是关于你州长为谁工作的 |
| 896 | If Congressman Tom Tiffany becomes our governor, he's going to work for them, not for you, just like he did in Washington, voting with Donald Trump 100% of the time. | 如果议员汤姆·蒂凡尼成为我们的州长 他会为他们工作 而不是为你工作 就像他在华盛顿一样 100%的时间都投给唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 897 | But me, I'll work for you. | 但我会为你工作 |
| 898 | I'll lower your costs. | 我会降低你的成本。 |
| 899 | I'll expand health care. | 我会扩大医疗范围。 |
| 900 | I'll make sure we can improve our schools and bring people together to get it done. | 我会确保我们能改善我们的学校 并聚集人们来完成它。 |
| 901 | That's why I'm asking for your vote. | 故请师投票. |
| 902 | Thank you and go Brewers. | 谢谢,布鲁斯 |
| 903 | Mr. Tiffany. | 蒂芬尼先生,请说 |
| 904 | It was a month ago that a plane that I was in had to make an emergency landing on Lake Wausau in the run up to the airport. | 一个月前,我乘坐的一架飞机在前往机场的途中,在瓦乌绍湖紧急降落。 |
| 905 | And as the pilot and I exited that plane, he dialed 911. | 当飞行员和我离开飞机时 他拨了911 |
| 906 | From the time that call hit dispatch in downtown Wausau to the boat picking us up in the middle of Lake Wausau was 16 minutes. | 从瓦乌绍市中心的电话打到在瓦乌绍湖中部接我们的船只时,只有16分钟。 |
| 907 | Only 16 minutes. | 只有16分钟 |
| 908 | I remember hearing after we made the call that you could hear the sirens and then you could see the lights. | 我还记得我们打完电话后听到的 你听到警笛声,然后看到灯光 |
| 909 | But it only took them 16 minutes. | 但他们只用了16分钟 |
| 910 | Ladies and gentlemen, I saw the best of Wisconsin that night. | 女士们,先生们,我看到最好的 威斯康星州当晚。 |
| 911 | As your next governor, I'm going to make sure you see the best of Wisconsin. | 作为你的下一任州长, 我会确保你看到最好的威斯康辛州。 |
| 912 | I hope to earn your vote to lead this state. | 我希望你们能投票领导这个国家 |
| 913 | Well, gentlemen, we got to some of it. | 好了,先生们,我们得到了一些它。 |
| 914 | Not all of it. | 并不是所有的东西 |
| 915 | Our sincere thanks to both of you, the candidates for being here tonight. | 我们真诚地感谢你们两位, 候选人今晚在这里。 |
| 916 | And thank you to everyone watching at home. | 感谢大家在家观看 |
| 917 | If you missed any part of this debate, it will be available on the 12 news at YouTube and streaming on very local. | 如果你错过了这场辩论的任何一个部分, 将在YouTube的12个新闻上提供, |
| 918 | Of course, look for post debate analysis Sunday with us on up front. | 当然,星期天和我们一起看辩论后的分析 |
| 919 | Election Day is Tuesday, November 3rd. | 选举日为11月3日星期二. |
| 920 | Thanks for being with us. | 谢谢你陪我们 |
| 921 | Have a good night. | 边 |
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