比尔·盖茨宣布将在20年内捐出所有剩余财富 | 2025.5
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| 0:01 | Bill Gates, thank you so much for joining us. | 比尔盖茨,非常感谢你加入我们 |
| 0:03 | Big news today, the Gates Foundation will | 今天有个大新闻,盖茨基金会会 |
| 0:05 | spend over $200 billion over the next 20 years. | 未来20年花费超过2000亿美元。 |
| 0:08 | It'll close in 2045 and you'll give away virtually | 它会在2045年关闭 你几乎会放弃 |
| 0:10 | all of your wealth to save and improve lives around the world. | 为了拯救和改善全世界的生活 你们所有的财富 |
| 0:13 | Is that a consequence of | 这是因为 |
| 0:15 | Trump policies and Doge? | 特朗普政策和道格? |
| 0:18 | No, this is a decision I've been thinking about for several years. | 不,这是多年来我一直在想的决定。 |
| 0:21 | You know, we're celebrating | 你知道,我们正在庆祝 |
| 0:24 | our 25th anniversary. | 我们的25周年。 |
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| 1 | Bill Gates, thank you so much for joining us. | 比尔盖茨,非常感谢你加入我们 |
| 2 | Big news today, the Gates Foundation will | 今天有个大新闻,盖茨基金会会 |
| 3 | spend over $200 billion over the next 20 years. | 未来20年花费超过2000亿美元。 |
| 4 | It'll close in 2045 and you'll give away virtually | 它会在2045年关闭 你几乎会放弃 |
| 5 | all of your wealth to save and improve lives around the world. | 为了拯救和改善全世界的生活 你们所有的财富 |
| 6 | Is that a consequence of | 这是因为 |
| 7 | Trump policies and Doge? | 特朗普政策和道格? |
| 8 | No, this is a decision I've been thinking about for several years. | 不,这是多年来我一直在想的决定。 |
| 9 | You know, we're celebrating | 你知道,我们正在庆祝 |
| 10 | our 25th anniversary. | 我们的25周年。 |
| 11 | The results we've had from our giving, particularly in global health, | 我们付出的结果,特别是在全球卫生方面 |
| 12 | have been far beyond what I expected, cutting childhood deaths from over $10 million a year | 已经远远超出了我的预期 将儿童死亡人数从每年超过1000万美元减少 |
| 13 | down under $5 million. | 不到500万美元。 |
| 14 | So it's doubling down on what's worked well. | 因此,它加倍 降低什么是有效的。 |
| 15 | And that's despite | 虽然如此 |
| 16 | the fact that in the near term, things may go backwards because of these funding cuts. | 近期内,由于资金削减,情况可能倒退。 |
| 17 | The decision means you'll probably see the impact of your gifts in your lifetime. | 这个决定意味着你可能会看到你的礼物在你一生中的影响. |
| 18 | Was | 曾经 |
| 19 | that a motivation for you? | 这对你来说是一种动机吗? |
| 20 | Well, I think the Gates Foundation's got an incredible team of people and being able to | 我觉得盖茨基金会有一支令人难以置信的团队 能够 |
| 21 | give them as much resources as possible during this key period and actually finish off malaria. | 在这个关键时期,给予他们尽可能多的资源,并实际消灭疟疾。 |
| 22 | So nobody has to think about that, finish off polio. | 所以,没有人需要考虑, 结束小儿麻痹症。 |
| 23 | So it's a done thing. | 故曰已办. |
| 24 | You know, | 你知道吗, |
| 25 | it's thrilling that we could make more progress in the next 25 years than even what we've | 令人振奋的是,我们在未来25年里 能够取得比现在更大的进步 |
| 26 | done so far. | 目前为止都做了 |
| 27 | And so it's a vote of confidence. | 故为信心投票. |
| 28 | And, you know, I know that there'll be more | 而且,你知道,我知道会有更多的 |
| 29 | rich people in the future who can take whatever we haven't finished and take that on. | 将来有钱人可以拿走我们还没完成的东西 拿走它 |
| 30 | How are you addressing the pullback in U.S. aid and other government development aid? | 你如何应对美国援助和其他政府发展援助的退缩? |
| 31 | Well, the foundation will be a strong voice in how impactful that generosity has been. | 那么,基础将是一个强烈的声音 如何影响这种慷慨。 |
| 32 | The United States, starting with President Bush in the year 2000, supported HIV medicine | 从2000年布什总统开始,美国支持艾滋病毒药物 |
| 33 | so that people wouldn't die. | 这样人们就不会死 |
| 34 | And that's been a bipartisan thing. | 这一直是两党的大事。 |
| 35 | It's made a huge difference. | 令诸众生差别广大. |
| 36 | The Congress, as it's doing the next budget, will decide whether the U.S. supports polio | 国会将决定美国是否支持脊髓灰质炎 |
| 37 | eradication or vaccines for the children in the poorest countries. | 消除最贫穷国家的儿童疫苗。 |
| 38 | It's less than | 这还不如 |
| 39 | one percent of the U.S. budget. | 占美国预算的1%. |
| 40 | So I'm hoping that we can keep that money in place or only | 所以我希望我们能保持 钱到位或只 |
| 41 | have modest reductions, not the gigantic cut that some people are proposing. | 削减幅度不大,而不是一些人提议的大幅削减。 |
| 42 | You had some pretty strong words for Elon Musk saying he's involved in the deaths of | 你对伊隆·穆斯克有一段很强的口吻 他说他参与了死亡 |
| 43 | the world's poorest children. | 世界最贫穷的儿童。 |
| 44 | Do you think this withdrawal of government support is permanent? | 你觉得政府撤资是永久的吗? |
| 45 | Well, there's no doubt that the USAID payment cutoffs that Elon drove have resulted in | 毫无疑问,美援署的付款截断 是伊隆开的 |
| 46 | dramatic increase in childhood death. | 儿童死亡急剧增加。 |
| 47 | And children that would have been protected from | 以及本来会受到保护的儿童 |
| 48 | getting HIV from their mothers during birth, that money has been cut off. | 母亲在分娩时感染艾滋病毒,这笔钱已被切断。 |
| 49 | In fact, you | 事实上,你 |
| 50 | know, they attacked a grant that was actually in Gaza Mozambique for being up in Gaza in | 他们袭击了实际上在加沙的一笔赠款 莫桑比克当时正在加沙 |
| 51 | the Middle East. | 中东。 |
| 52 | But in fact, it was HIV prevention money that was cut off. | 但事实上,正是预防艾滋病毒的钱被切断了。 |
| 53 | And so we need to | 所以我们需要 |
| 54 | look at how this money represents the moral leadership of the U.S. and the relationships | 看看这些钱如何代表美国道德领导 和关系 |
| 55 | we get. | 我们得到了。 |
| 56 | And it's not only to save lives, it's to stabilize these countries, it's to have health | 不仅为了拯救生命 也是为了稳定这些国家 也是为了保持健康 |
| 57 | systems that will catch potential pandemics early and avoid them coming to the United States. | 并避免它们来到美国 |
| 58 | So there's a lot of great reasons this less than one percent of the budget shouldn't be cut off. | 因此,有许多伟大的原因 这不到预算的1%不应该被切断。 |
| 59 | Have you had any conversation with any Trump officials about this? | 你和川普官员谈过吗? |
| 60 | I've had two meetings with President Trump and the main focus of those conversations were | 我和特朗普总统开了两次会 这些谈话的焦点是 |
| 61 | the great work the U.S. has done on HIV and how we can do even better with that, | 美国在艾滋病毒方面所做的伟大工作 以及我们如何能做得更好 |
| 62 | drive innovations, including a HIV cure. | 推动创新,包括防治艾滋病毒。 |
| 63 | I talked about the need for the U.S. to stay in | 我说的是美国需要留在 |
| 64 | polio, that they're a critical partner. | 脊髓灰质炎, 他们是一个关键的合作伙伴。 |
| 65 | And so, you know, I think when push comes to shove, | 所以,你知道,我想 当推来推去, |
| 66 | this money should be maintained, although the final word on that will come from the Congress. | 这笔钱应该保留下来,尽管关于这笔钱的最后一句话将来自国会。 |
| 67 | What has that dialogue looked like from the other side? | 这种对话从另一边看是什么样子? |
| 68 | And have you met with Elon Musk? | 你见过伊隆·穆斯克吗? |
| 69 | I haven't met with Elon about this. | 我还没和伊隆见过面 |
| 70 | I mean, you know, in terms of USAID, I'm out in Nigeria | 我的意思是,你知道,在美援署, 我出尼日利亚 |
| 71 | and Democratic Republic of Congo and meeting the amazing people who did that work for USAID and | 并会见为美援署和 |
| 72 | understanding the impact that it has. | 了解它的影响。 |
| 73 | So, you know, that's my hands on focus is global health. | 所以,你知道,这是我的 焦点是全球健康。 |
| 74 | Elon has done great private sector work, but I've never talked to him about what | 伊隆在私营部门做得很好 但我从没跟他说过 |
| 75 | the cuts that he drove on in USAID. | 他在美援署开的刀 |
| 76 | Do you want to? | 你想吗? |
| 77 | Have you talked to him about anything else recently? | 你最近有没有和他谈其他的事? |
| 78 | Well, he's not actively engaged now. | 他现在没有主动订婚 |
| 79 | And so the decisions will be people like Secretary Rubio, | 所以决定的将是像鲁比奥秘书这样的人 |
| 80 | who was in Africa around 2012 and saw the amazing work that PEPFAR did there. | 2012年左右,他在非洲, 看到PEPFAR在那里所做的惊人的工作。 |
| 81 | And so | 这样 |
| 82 | I hope he'll be a voice for maintaining this money. | 我希望他能成为保持这笔钱的声音. |
| 83 | You know, in the U.S., you have people | 你知道,在美国,你有的人 |
| 84 | like Rotary International who've been in the polio eradication fight from the very beginning. | 就像国际扶轮社 从一开始就参与消灭小儿麻痹症的斗争 |
| 85 | And, you know, I think they'll support the U.S. staying because the U.S. is an absolutely necessary | 而且,你知道,我认为他们会支持美国留下 因为美国是绝对必要的 |
| 86 | participant in order for us to finish that eradication. | 为了我们完成这一根除行动,与会者参加了这次会议。 |
| 87 | So a lot of voices will come in | 所以,很多声音会进来 |
| 88 | to this budget, including the global health miracle that the U.S. has been part of. | 包括美国参与的全球健康奇迹 |
| 89 | Given where we are, how are you now prioritizing programs or countries or diseases? | 鉴于我们身处何方,你现在如何优先考虑方案、国家或疾病? |
| 90 | Well, the Gates Foundation spends about an equal amount on discovering new tools, | 盖茨基金会在发现新工具方面 花费了差不多的金额 |
| 91 | like a TB vaccine or a way to help newborns be able to breathe so they survive or avoiding mothers | 比如肺结核疫苗 或帮助新生儿呼吸的方法 让他们生存或躲避母亲 |
| 92 | bleeding to death by using very cheap drugs, only a couple of dollars. | 血流成河 使用非常便宜的药物 仅几美元 |
| 93 | So it's kind of | 所以有点 |
| 94 | including what's coming where we use AI, not just for the discovery, but also to give medical advice | 包括我们使用人工智能 不仅是为了发现 也是为了提供医疗建议 |
| 95 | or agricultural advice or health and education. | 或农业咨询或保健和教育。 |
| 96 | So we're doubling down by spending all the money | 所以我们要花掉所有的钱 翻一番 |
| 97 | in the next 20 years because of the impact that's possible. | 在接下来的20年里,因为 影响是可能的。 |
| 98 | We're not able to match the money that | 我们无法匹配那些钱 |
| 99 | the U.S. could cut here. | 美国可以在这里切。 |
| 100 | They have more resources than a single individual. | 他们的资源比一个人要多。 |
| 101 | But if you look, there's also climate change. | 但是,如果你看, 也有气候变化。 |
| 102 | So is there a single topic | 还有一个话题 |
| 103 | that your foundation is most concerned about right now? | 你基金会现在最关心的是什么? |
| 104 | Well, our biggest area funding is polio eradication, followed by HIV, malaria, nutrition. | 我们最大的资助领域是消灭小儿麻痹症, 接着是艾滋病毒,疟疾,营养。 |
| 105 | We basically follow the numbers where there's the most burden. | 我们基本上跟随那些负担最大的数字 |
| 106 | That's where we go. | 这就是我们要去的地方。 |
| 107 | Sadly, | 很遗憾 |
| 108 | these diseases aren't market-driven. | 这些疾病不是市场驱动的。 |
| 109 | That is, the people who have them are so poor that with | 也就是说,拥有他们的人 是如此的贫穷,以至于与 |
| 110 | malaria, when we gave our first 30 million, we became the biggest funder of reducing malaria | 疟疾,当我们给了我们的第一个3000万, 我们成为减少疟疾的最大资助者 |
| 111 | deaths. | 死伤。 |
| 112 | So it's really driven by this stuff that philanthropy and government aid budgets | 慈善事业和政府援助预算 |
| 113 | are absolutely critical to lifting these countries up, helping them become self-sufficient, | 绝对是帮助这些国家实现自给自足的关键, |
| 114 | and having strong health systems there to drive stability and growth. | 并拥有强大的卫生系统,以推动稳定和增长。 |
| 115 | The giving pledge is also nearing a milestone anniversary, but pledgers are not legally | 认捐也接近一个里程碑式的周年纪念日,但认捐者在法律上不是 |
| 116 | obligated, actually, to give anything. | 实际上,有义务提供任何东西。 |
| 117 | It's more of a good-faith pact. | 更以诚约. |
| 118 | So how do you measure its | 你们怎么测量呢? |
| 119 | impact? | 撞击? |
| 120 | Well, I would never want to take credit for anybody else's philanthropy. | 我绝不会为别人的慈善事业而称颂 |
| 121 | The fact that | 事实上, |
| 122 | we've gotten over 240 people to join in to the commitment to give the majority of their wealth | 我们已经让240多人 加入承诺 贡献他们大部分的财富 |
| 123 | away, I do think it's setting an expectation for everyone who's very rich to look at being very | 我确实觉得这让所有有钱人 都期待着自己 |
| 124 | philanthropic. | 慈善事业。 |
| 125 | In that pledge, we have amazing givers like Michael Bloomberg, Chris Hahn, | 在那个承诺中,我们有惊人的奉献者 比如迈克尔·布隆伯格,克里斯·哈恩, |
| 126 | and many others, and we learn from each other. | 我们互相学习。 |
| 127 | We share best practices. | 我们分享最佳做法。 |
| 128 | We talk about things | 我们谈事情 |
| 129 | that have not worked, and so we want to improve the quality and quantity of philanthropy, and I | 我们想提高慈善事业的质量和数量。 |
| 130 | see that happening all over the world. | 全世界都这样 |
| 131 | Mr. Gates, I also wanted to ask you about clean energy and | 盖茨先生,我也想问你 关于清洁能源 |
| 132 | green transition. | 绿色过渡。 |
| 133 | China was probably already winning the race to develop low-carbon economy | 中国可能已经赢得了发展低碳经济的比赛 |
| 134 | and energy sources of the future. | 以及未来的能源来源。 |
| 135 | With the U.S.'s new direction under Trump, has America actually | 随着美国在特朗普领导下的新方向,美国实际上有 |
| 136 | squandered whatever slim chance it had of catching up or being competitive in that space? | 浪费了任何微小的机会 它有赶上或竞争的空间? |
| 137 | Well, climate change involves a lot of innovation. | 气候变化涉及许多创新。 |
| 138 | We have to make products that are clean that | 我们必须制造干净的产品 |
| 139 | eventually cost less than the dirty way it's done today. | 最终成本比今天的肮脏方式要低。 |
| 140 | So that includes, of course, making | 因此,这当然包括制作 |
| 141 | electricity. | 电力。 |
| 142 | That is one area where I think this administration will be a stronger supporter | 我认为,在这个领域,本届政府将成为一个更强大的支持者。 |
| 143 | of nuclear fission and fusion than what we've had before. | 核裂变和核聚变 超过我们之前。 |
| 144 | I do worry that some of the key tax | 我担心一些关键税 |
| 145 | credits for new technologies like carbon capture and hydrogen and storage, that those could be | 碳捕获、氢和储存等新技术的入计量,这些入计量可以是: |
| 146 | eliminated, but when my group that drives climate innovation, Breakthrough Energy, went out to find | 但当驱动气候创新的团队 突破能源组织 |
| 147 | the best companies, almost 90% of those are here in the United States, and they've gotten | 最好的公司, 几乎90% 在美国,他们得到了 |
| 148 | government support. | 政府支持。 |
| 149 | Some of that may be canceled, so it could be tough for them, but U.S. innovation | 有些可能会被取消 所以对他们来说很困难 但美国的创新 |
| 150 | will play an incredible role in helping us avoid climate change. | 将在帮助我们避免气候变化方面发挥不可思议的作用。 |
| 151 | Trump's administration is also discussing rescinding tax-exempt status for nonprofits | 特朗普政府也在讨论取消非营利者的免税地位 |
| 152 | or foundations, particularly those focused on climate or social justice. | 或基金会,特别是侧重于气候或社会正义的基金会。 |
| 153 | What would be the consequences, actually, of that? | 那会有什么后果呢? |
| 154 | Well, it's hard to speculate what might happen. | 很难推测会发生什么 |
| 155 | The tax code is created by Congress, | 税法由国会制定, |
| 156 | and you're actually allowed to get money to save children's lives. | 而且你实际上被允许得到钱 挽救儿童的生命。 |
| 157 | It's kind of an amazing thing. | 这是一种惊人的事情。 |
| 158 | Supposed to buy a big boat, you can buy vaccines, you can buy bed nets, and | 买条大船,买疫苗,买蚊帐 |
| 159 | that's a miracle of the economic freedom that the U.S. stands for. | 这是美国所代表的经济自由的奇迹。 |
| 160 | I was going to ask you how do you balance continuing to do this work with the voids, | 我想问你如何平衡 继续做这项工作 与空白, |
| 161 | whilst at the same time avoiding being targeted or pursued by the Trump administration | 同时避免被特朗普政府盯上或追捕 |
| 162 | for things that are now seen as politically unacceptable? | 对于现在被认为政治上不能接受的事情? |
| 163 | Well, I'm hopeful that health, even when you're helping women and you're helping people in Africa | 好吧,我希望健康, 即使你在帮助女人 你帮助非洲的人 |
| 164 | and you're helping people who've gotten HIV, I hope that's not a political thing. | 你在帮助那些感染艾滋病毒的人 我希望这不是政治问题 |
| 165 | I hope that's sort of the golden rule that is part of all religion that we should treat others | 我希望这是金色的规矩 是我们应该对待别人的宗教的一部分 |
| 166 | like we'd like to be treated ourselves. | 就像我们想被对待一样 |
| 167 | And, you know, I'm hopeful that people will go out and see this work. | 而且,你知道,我希望 人们会去看这部作品。 |
| 168 | You know, | 你知道吗, |
| 169 | once you do, you can't help but stay involved in it. | 一旦你这样做, 你无法不参与其中。 |
| 170 | So, you know, this is about the U.S. | 所以,你知道,这是关于美国。 |
| 171 | value system, and we've been a leader, both our philanthropists and our government. | 价值体系,我们一直是领导者, 我们的慈善家和政府。 |
| 172 | I'd hate to see that go away. | 我不想看到它消失。 |
| 173 | Mr. Gates, just one final question, because, you know, there's a lot going on in the economy | 盖茨先生,最后一个问题, 因为,你知道,经济有很多事情 |
| 174 | and tariffs and trade. | 关税和贸易。 |
| 175 | And on the one hand, do you think investors are deluding themselves | 一方面,你认为投资者在欺骗自己 |
| 176 | in saying, actually, as long as we know what tariffs we're getting, we'll be okay? | 说,实际上,只要我们知道 我们得到什么关税, 我们会没事的? |
| 177 | And also, 20 years ago, you joined Warren Buffett in predicting the dollar's decline. | 另外,20年前,你和沃伦·巴菲特一起预测美元贬值。 |
| 178 | Warren Buffett this year wondered about the dollar. | 今年沃伦·巴菲特想知道美元的情况 |
| 179 | What do you think about the dollar today? | 你觉得今天的美元怎么样? |
| 180 | Well, I'm not a macroeconomics expert. | 我不是宏观经济专家 |
| 181 | I do think we're going to experience a lot of turmoil | 我觉得我们会经历很多动乱 |
| 182 | because of the uncertainty that we have now, including what's going on with tariffs. | 因为我们现在的不确定性 包括关税问题 |
| 183 | You know, I think because of things like AI advances, that overall we will have economic growth | 你知道,我想,因为一些东西 像AI进步, |
| 184 | and that we should make sure that even the poorest in the world are benefiting from that. | 我们应确保即使是世界上最贫穷的人也从中获益。 |
| 185 | Mr. Gates, thank you so much for your time today. | 盖茨先生,谢谢你今天能来 |
| 186 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
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