完整访谈：伊朗外长回应美国和以色列对伊朗的袭击 | 2026
字幕摘录
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|---|---|---|
| 0:02 | I'm going to interrupt you very briefly while you've been introducing Julie Serkin. | 我会非常简短地打断你 当你介绍朱莉·瑟金的时候 |
| 0:04 | They're telling us that right now we have a guest from Iran, Iran's Minister of Foreign | 他们告诉我们,现在我们有一个来自伊朗的客人,伊朗的外交部长 |
| 0:08 | Affairs Abbas Arachi is joining us now from Tehran. | 阿巴斯·阿拉奇现在从德黑兰加入我们。 |
| 0:13 | Minister Arachi, we appreciate your making time to speak to us right now. | 阿拉奇部长,我们感谢你给我时间跟我们说话 |
| 0:16 | We have a series of questions. | 我们有一系列的问题。 |
| 0:17 | We know that you are one of the few in that country who have the access to communicate | 我们知道你是该国少数 能够交流的人之一 |
| 0:21 | outside of a country where there is a large blackout of communications at this time. | 在目前通信大停电的国家之外 |
| 0:27 | First and foremost, our question to you, sir, is can you give us a better understanding | 首先,我们问你,先生 你能给我们更好的理解吗? |
| 0:31 | of the situation on the ground there, the impacts that have taken place? | 当地局势的影响? |
| 0:36 | And separately, can you confirm to us that the Ayatollah and the president are both still | 单独地,你能向我们证实 阿亚图拉和总统 仍然 |
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| 1 | I'm going to interrupt you very briefly while you've been introducing Julie Serkin. | 我会非常简短地打断你 当你介绍朱莉·瑟金的时候 |
| 2 | They're telling us that right now we have a guest from Iran, Iran's Minister of Foreign | 他们告诉我们,现在我们有一个来自伊朗的客人,伊朗的外交部长 |
| 3 | Affairs Abbas Arachi is joining us now from Tehran. | 阿巴斯·阿拉奇现在从德黑兰加入我们。 |
| 4 | Minister Arachi, we appreciate your making time to speak to us right now. | 阿拉奇部长,我们感谢你给我时间跟我们说话 |
| 5 | We have a series of questions. | 我们有一系列的问题。 |
| 6 | We know that you are one of the few in that country who have the access to communicate | 我们知道你是该国少数 能够交流的人之一 |
| 7 | outside of a country where there is a large blackout of communications at this time. | 在目前通信大停电的国家之外 |
| 8 | First and foremost, our question to you, sir, is can you give us a better understanding | 首先,我们问你,先生 你能给我们更好的理解吗? |
| 9 | of the situation on the ground there, the impacts that have taken place? | 当地局势的影响? |
| 10 | And separately, can you confirm to us that the Ayatollah and the president are both still | 单独地,你能向我们证实 阿亚图拉和总统 仍然 |
| 11 | alive? | 还活着吗? |
| 12 | Thank you for having me. | 谢谢你邀请我 |
| 13 | The situation on the ground is quite, I cannot say normal, but the life is going on. | 当地的局势相当,我不能说正常,但生活仍在继续。 |
| 14 | Everything is under control. | 一切都在掌控之中。 |
| 15 | I think Americans and Israelis failed to, you know, access to, you know, hit their targets. | 我认为美国人和以色列人未能,你知道, 进入,你知道,击中他们的目标。 |
| 16 | And now everything is under control and we almost in less than two hours, we were able | 而现在一切都在控制之中 我们几乎在不到两个小时,我们做到了 |
| 17 | to start retaliation by sending, by attacking, you know, American bases and some targets | 通过派遣 攻击 美国基地和一些目标开始报复 |
| 18 | in Israel by our missiles. | 在以色列用我们的导弹。 |
| 19 | Almost all officials are safe and sound and alive. | 几乎所有官员都安然无恙地活着. |
| 20 | We may have lost one or two commanders, but that is not a big problem. | 我们可能失去了一两个指挥官,但这不是一个大问题。 |
| 21 | And you know, we are actually managing it. | 你知道,我们实际上是在管理它。 |
| 22 | We are handling the situation. | 我们正在处理这种情况。 |
| 23 | And I was in contact with, you know, my colleagues in the Persian Gulf. | 我和波斯湾的同事有联系 |
| 24 | And I explained for them that, you know, we have no intention to attack them, but we are | 我替他们解释过 我们无意攻击他们 但我们是 |
| 25 | actually attacking the American bases in the act of self-defense. | 在自卫中攻击美国基地 |
| 26 | We cannot just sit and watch. | 我们不能袖手旁观。 |
| 27 | They are attacking us and we don't, you know, respond simply because their bases are in | 他们攻击我们,我们不,你知道, 反应只是因为他们的基地在 |
| 28 | a friendly neighbor country. | 一个友好的邻国。 |
| 29 | So I explained for them and I hope that they understand this situation. | 所以我替他们解释 我希望他们能理解这种情况 |
| 30 | Another point I have to mention is, I don't know why the US administration insists to | 我不得不提到的另一个问题是 我不知道为什么美国政府坚持 |
| 31 | start a negotiation and then in the middle of negotiation, attack, you know, the other | 开始谈判,然后在谈判中间,攻击,你知道,另一个 |
| 32 | party. | 派对 |
| 33 | Today happened exactly what last June happened. | 今天正是去年六月发生的事。 |
| 34 | We were in the middle of negotiations and, you know, and it was interesting that this | 我们正处在谈判之中 而且,你知道, 这很有趣, |
| 35 | time we made a big progress. | 我们取得了很大的进步 |
| 36 | Last two days ago on Thursday, we had a very good meeting in Geneva together with Steve | 两天前的星期四, 我们在日内瓦和史蒂夫举行了一个非常好的会议 |
| 37 | Witkoff and Jared Kushner. | 维特科夫和贾里德·库什纳. |
| 38 | And we were able to address serious questions related to Iran's nuclear program. | 我们得以解决与伊朗核计划有关的严重问题。 |
| 39 | We obviously have differences, but we resolved some of those differences and we decided to | 我们显然有分歧,但我们解决了一些分歧,我们决定 |
| 40 | continue in order to resolve the rest of questions. | 继续解决其余问题。 |
| 41 | And we actually instructed the technical team to go to Vienna and have a meeting with IAEA. | 我们实际上指示技术小组 去维也纳 和原子能机构开会。 |
| 42 | So in order to find technical solution for the problems we are facing in the negotiation. | 因此,为了从技术上解决我们在谈判中面临的问题。 |
| 43 | And everybody was happy at the end of those negotiations. | 在谈判结束时大家都很开心。 |
| 44 | 如你所见,阿曼外交部长Badr al-Ghoussaidi阁下正在调解 | |
| 45 | He concluded by posting a tweet saying that today we made significant progress. | 他最后在推特上说, |
| 46 | And before he posted his tweet, he consulted with both delegations and both were happy. | 在他发布他的微博之前, 他咨询了两个代表团, |
| 47 | So I don't know why while we were progressing in our talks and we had made good, you know, | 所以,我不知道为什么 当我们在谈判进展 并且我们已经取得了好,你知道, |
| 48 | achievements and a deal was at our reach, why they decided to attack us. | 我们可望取得成就和达成协议,他们为什么决定攻击我们。 |
| 49 | Perhaps, you know, it was others who dragged the United States for their own benefits | 也许,你知道,是其他人 拖着美国为自己的利益 |
| 50 | into this, you know, conflict. | 进入这个,你知道,冲突。 |
| 51 | It's really pity. | 真遗憾 |
| 52 | It's very unfortunate. | 这是非常不幸的。 |
| 53 | And yes, Mr. Arashi, I just I appreciate your comments there. | 是的,阿拉什先生,我很感激你的评论。 |
| 54 | And we do have a series of other questions I want to ask you. | 我们还有一系列其他问题我想问你。 |
| 55 | But just for clarity for our audience right now, can you confirm with specificity that | 但是,为了让我们的观众清楚,现在, 你能具体地确认 |
| 56 | the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei is alive and separately that the Iranian president is alive right now | 阿亚图拉·阿里·哈梅内伊活了下来 伊朗总统现在还活着 |
| 57 | following these American and Israeli strikes? | 在美国人和以色列人袭击之后? |
| 58 | As far as I know, yes, they are alive. | 据我所知,他们还活着 |
| 59 | And the head of judiciary as well, the head of the Speaker of Parliament as well, all | 以及司法总监, 议会议长,以及 |
| 60 | high ranking officials are alive and the secretary of the National Security Council. | 高级官员还活着,国家安全委员会也是秘书。 |
| 61 | So everybody is now in its position and we are handling this situation and everything is fine. | 所以,现在每个人都处于其地位,我们正在处理这种情况,一切都很好。 |
| 62 | Sir, do you believe that you were targeted as part of these strikes? | 先生,你是否认为你成为攻击的目标? |
| 63 | You mean me? | 你是说我? |
| 64 | Yes. | 对 |
| 65 | Well, I don't know. | 嗯,我不晓得。 |
| 66 | They have targeted everybody. | 他们以所有人为目标。 |
| 67 | You know, just now I saw the footages of their attack to a girl school in which in the city | 刚刚我看到他们袭击的镜头 在城里的一所女子学校 |
| 68 | of Minhab in the southern part of Iran. | 伊朗南部的Minhab地区。 |
| 69 | So 57 girls were killed by their strike. | 于是57个女孩被罢工杀死. |
| 70 | So when they strike a school, they can also hit others easily. | 所以当他们打击学校时,他们也可以轻易地打击他人. |
| 71 | This attack was unprovoked, illegal and absolutely illegitimate and against the | 此次袭击是无端的、非法的和绝对非法的,是针对 |
| 72 | international law and should be condemned. | 国际法,应受到谴责。 |
| 73 | That is obvious. | 这很明显。 |
| 74 | You said that Iran is prepared to take self-defense towards these actions. | 你说伊朗准备对这些行动采取自卫行动。 |
| 75 | What would that entail? | 那意味着什么? |
| 76 | Well, we are facing an act of aggression and obviously we have every right to defend ourselves. | 我们正面临侵略行动 显然我们有权自卫 |
| 77 | So what we are doing is act of self-defense, which is absolutely legal and legitimate. | 因此,我们正在做的是自卫行为,这是绝对合法和合法的。 |
| 78 | And we think that we are fully prepared for that, even more prepared than previous time, | 我们认为我们对此做好了充分准备,甚至比以往更做好准备, |
| 79 | the 12-day war. | 12天的战争。 |
| 80 | And I believe we manage this. | 我相信我们能做到这一点。 |
| 81 | We know very well how to defend ourselves. | 我们非常清楚如何自卫。 |
| 82 | We learned lots of lessons from the previous war. | 我们从之前的战争中吸取了很多教训。 |
| 83 | And we will certainly teach the aggressors a lesson they deserve. | 我们一定会给侵略者一个他们应该得到的教训。 |
| 84 | Mr. Arachi, if I may ask you very quickly right now, we know that Iran, via the IRGC, | 阿拉奇先生,如果我现在能很快地问你, 我们知道伊朗,通过伊朗革命卫队, |
| 85 | the Revolutionary Guard, via its proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, the Houthi rebels in Yemen, | 革命卫队,通过其代理人真主党,哈马斯,也门的胡塞叛军, |
| 86 | has carried out attacks on Americans, on others throughout that region. | 对美国人和该地区其他人进行了攻击。 |
| 87 | Iran insists that its nuclear program has never been with the desire to create nuclear weapons. | 伊朗坚持认为,伊朗的核计划从未抱有制造核武器的愿望。 |
| 88 | But my question to you is, sir, why should the United States and why should the rest of the world | 但我要问的是,先生,为什么美国和世界其他国家 |
| 89 | trust Iran when it says its efforts to create a nuclear program are only for civilian use | 相信伊朗说其创建核计划的努力只用于民用 |
| 90 | and not to continue to carry out harm against Western and American interests? | 不继续伤害西方和美国的利益? |
| 91 | First of all, we don't have proxies. | 首先,我们没有代理人。 |
| 92 | There are certain groups who are fighting for a just cause, and we support them. | 某些团体正在为正义事业而斗争,我们支持他们。 |
| 93 | So that would make them a proxy, correct, sir? | 这样他们就成了代理了,对吧,先生? |
| 94 | But they are not receiving orders from us. | 但他们并没有得到我们的命令。 |
| 95 | They are independent groups, but we support them. | 他们是独立的团体,但我们支持它们。 |
| 96 | We support them in their fight for the right of self-determination or to | 我们支持他们争取自决权或自决权的斗争。 |
| 97 | free their land from occupation, whatever. | 让他们的土地免于占领,无论什么。 |
| 98 | But for the time being, we don't need anybody for our defense. | 但我们暂时不需要任何人来防御 |
| 99 | We are capable enough to defend ourselves, and we will do that, | 我们有能力自卫,我们会这样做, |
| 100 | and we don't need the help of anybody. | 我们不需要任何人的帮助 |
| 101 | On our nuclear program, I think there are every reason that Iran does not want nuclear weapons, | 在我们的核计划上,我认为伊朗不想要核武器是有原因的, |
| 102 | and the whole world has tested us when in 2015 we signed a deal and we announced very clearly | 全世界都在考验我们 当2015年我们签了协议 我们非常明确地宣布 |
| 103 | that Iran would never seek, develop, or acquire nuclear weapons, and that was a permanent | 伊朗永远不会寻求、发展或获得核武器,这是永久的。 |
| 104 | in 2015 deal. | 在2015年的交易。 |
| 105 | I know that President Trump doesn't like that deal, but at least we proved our goodwill | 我知道川普总统不喜欢那笔交易 但至少我们证明了我们的善意 |
| 106 | and we proved that we are not seeking nuclear weapons, and it was not Iran who withdrew | 我们证明我们没有寻求核武器,不是伊朗撤出了 |
| 107 | from that deal. | 从交易。 |
| 108 | It was the U.S. | 这是美国。 |
| 109 | And still in 2025, when the U.S. offered us negotiation to find a solution for Iran's | 在2025年,美国提议我们谈判 寻找伊朗的解决方案 |
| 110 | nuclear program, again, we accepted. | 我们再次接受了核计划。 |
| 111 | We entered into negotiation in good faith. | 我们真诚地进行了谈判。 |
| 112 | At least three times we came to a good conclusion, but my interlocutor in the other side couldn't | 至少三次,我们得出了一个好的结论, 但我的对话者在另一边不能 |
| 113 | sell it in Washington. | 在华盛顿卖掉 |
| 114 | Then they suddenly attacked us. | 他们突然袭击我们 |
| 115 | Again, this time we entered into negotiation with the help of our Omani friends and others. | 我们再次在阿曼朋友和其他人的帮助下开始谈判。 |
| 116 | Everybody supported those negotiations. | 每个人都支持这些谈判。 |
| 117 | And we made significant progress this time, and then they attacked us. | 这次我们取得了重大的进展,然后他们袭击了我们。 |
| 118 | So it is us who have negative, bitter experiences from talking to the United States. | 因此,正是我们从与美国对话中获得了负面的、痛苦的经历。 |
| 119 | We have never wanted nuclear weapons. | 我们从来不想要核武器。 |
| 120 | There is both religious convictions by us, the verdict by the Supreme Leader who considered | 我们都有宗教信仰, 最高领袖的判决,他考虑 |
| 121 | all these weapons as inhumane and, you know, against Islamic teachings. | 所有这些武器都是不人道的,而且,你知道,反对伊斯兰教义。 |
| 122 | At the same time, they have no place in our security doctrine, and I can explain. | 与此同时,它们在我们的安全理论中没有位置,我可以解释。 |
| 123 | But I would like to reaffirm once again that we have proved our goodwill. | 但我要再次重申,我们已经证明了我们的善意。 |
| 124 | We negotiated with E3 and then E3 plus three or P5 plus one, and we came to it. | 我们与E3谈判,然后E3加3或P5加1,我们来到了它。 |
| 125 | We concluded the deal. | 我们完成了交易。 |
| 126 | The whole world celebrated, and we remained committed to that deal in 2015. | 全世界都在庆祝,我们依然致力于2015年的这一交易。 |
| 127 | But it was the U.S. who withdrew, not us. | 但正是美国退出了,而不是我们。 |
| 128 | And again, the experiences of last year and this year. | 同样,去年和今年的经验。 |
| 129 | So I think the one who should prove its good faith, its goodwill is the United States, | 所以我认为应该证明自己的诚意 善意的是美国 |
| 130 | not Iran. | 没有伊朗。 |
| 131 | Sir, as many Americans are waking up this morning and seeing images of Israel and other | 先生,许多美国人今早醒来时 看到以色列和其他美国人的照片 |
| 132 | nations try to defend itself, what is your message to the American people about how far | 国家试图为自己辩护,你给美国人民的信息是什么? |
| 133 | Iran will go? | 伊朗会去吗? |
| 134 | Well, we have no limit to defend ourselves. | 我们没有自卫的限度 |
| 135 | Does that include attacking Americans? | 这是否包括攻击美国人? |
| 136 | Well, we are attacking American military buildup in our region. | 我们正在攻击我们地区的美国军队集结 |
| 137 | We are not attacking Americans in their land. | 我们不是在攻击美国人 |
| 138 | Americans are attacking our people in our cities. | 美国人在攻击我们城市的人民 |
| 139 | But this is not what we are going to do. | 但这不是我们要做的。 |
| 140 | We are attacking the American bases, military bases in the region and military installations | 我们正在攻击美国基地 该地区的军事基地和军事设施 |
| 141 | and facilities. | 和设施。 |
| 142 | And this is only as an act of self-defense. | 这仅仅是自卫行为 |
| 143 | We are not the one who starts this aggression. | 我们不是发动这种侵略的人。 |
| 144 | It was the United States and Israel who started this aggression. | 发动这一侵略的是美国和以色列。 |
| 145 | So there is no limit for us to defend ourselves. | 因此,我们保卫自己是没有限度的。 |
| 146 | But once the aggression is stopped, we would also stop our self-defense. | 但是,一旦停止侵略,我们也会停止自卫。 |
| 147 | This is quite obvious and quite natural. | 这是相当明显和自然的。 |
| 148 | Mr. Arachi, in recent weeks, we saw a crackdown by the Iranian regime on civilian protesters | 阿拉奇先生,最近几周,我们看到伊朗政权镇压平民抗议者 |
| 149 | throughout that country. | 整个国家。 |
| 150 | Depending on where you receive your information, hundreds or even thousands, perhaps tens of | 取决于你从哪里得到的信息, 数百甚至数千, 也许数以万计 |
| 151 | thousands of Iranian people were killed. | 数千名伊朗人被杀害。 |
| 152 | In this moment, for the Iranian people, will you commit that Iran will not crack down, | 此时此刻,对于伊朗人民来说,你是否会承诺伊朗不会崩溃, |
| 153 | will not attack, maim or kill the people of Iran if they choose to protest peacefully | 如果伊朗人民选择和平抗议,就不会攻击、残害或杀害他们。 |
| 154 | against their government? | 对抗他们的政府? |
| 155 | Well, I have to correct your disinformation. | 我得纠正你的谎言 |
| 156 | We didn't crack down the protesters. | 我们没有打击抗议者。 |
| 157 | We cracked down a terrorist operation. | 我们破解了一个恐怖行动。 |
| 158 | From 28 December to 7 January, we had peaceful protests in our streets. | 从12月28日至1月7日,我们在街道上举行了和平抗议。 |
| 159 | And that was absolutely tolerated. | 这是绝对容忍的。 |
| 160 | Even the government decided to engage with the leaders of those protests to find a solution | 连政府也决定与这些抗争的领导人接触, |
| 161 | for the problems they have faced. | 他们面对的问题。 |
| 162 | And everything was peaceful and nobody was killed. | 一切都很平静,没有人被杀。 |
| 163 | But on 8 January to 10, it was a totally different story. | 但是在1月8日至10日,这是一个完全不同的故事. |
| 164 | Armed elements added to those protests. | 这些抗议活动还增加了武装分子。 |
| 165 | They came from outside. | 他们来自外面。 |
| 166 | They received instructions from outside, specifically from Mossad and Israelis. | 他们收到了外部的指示,特别是摩萨德和以色列人的指示。 |
| 167 | And they started shooting at our police and security forces. | 他们开始向我们的警察和安全部队开枪 |
| 168 | So it was completely a different story, a terrorist operation. | 所以,这是一个完全不同的故事, 一个恐怖行动。 |
| 169 | And we had no way but to crack it down. | 我们没有办法破解它 |
| 170 | So for clarity, you're saying that those who were killed were exclusively foreign agents? | 所以为了清楚,你是说 那些被杀的人完全是外国特工? |
| 171 | None of them is your claim? | 这些都不是你的主张? |
| 172 | Were Iranians? | 是伊朗人吗? |
| 173 | No, let me explain. | 不,让我解释一下。 |
| 174 | Those elements entered into the demonstrations and protests. | 这些人参加了示威和抗议。 |
| 175 | And they started shooting at our police forces. | 他们开始向我们的警察开枪 |
| 176 | And then they started shooting at people. | 然后他们开始对人开枪。 |
| 177 | And it was very strange. | 这很奇怪 |
| 178 | And then they started even shooting at the protesters. | 然后他们甚至开始向抗议者开枪. |
| 179 | Why? | 为什么? |
| 180 | Because they wanted to increase the number of killings. | 因为他们想增加杀戮的数量。 |
| 181 | Because the president of the United States had said that if there are killings, I will | 因为美国总统说过,如果有杀戮,我会 |
| 182 | come to rescue. | 来救援。 |
| 183 | So in order to drag him into a war with Iran, they started shooting at people. | 所以为了把他拖入与伊朗的战争,他们开始对人开枪. |
| 184 | So they increased the number of deaths. | 所以他们增加了死亡人数。 |
| 185 | And the total number was, as we have said, 3,117. | 正如我们所说,总数是3 117人。 |
| 186 | And the list of all victims has been already published by us. | 所有受害者的名单已经由我们公布。 |
| 187 | About 2,500 of which are considered by us as martyrs. | 其中约有2500人被我们视为烈士. |
| 188 | Ordinary people who were killed by these elements. | 被这些人杀害的普通人。 |
| 189 | 200 police forces. | 200支警察部队。 |
| 190 | What do you do in the United States if somebody shoots at your police? | 如果有人朝你的警察开枪 你在美国做什么? |
| 191 | You would certainly react very harshly. | 你肯定会做出非常严厉的反应 |
| 192 | And this is what we did. | 这就是我们所做的。 |
| 193 | And then it was over in less than two and a half days. | 然后不到两天半就结束了 |
| 194 | So please distinguish and separate between protesters, peaceful protesters in the streets, | 所以请区分和区分 抗议者,和平抗议者 在街道上, |
| 195 | and then a terrorist operation, which was something else. | 然后是恐怖行动,这是另一回事。 |
| 196 | We considered those three days as a plot by Israelis and the continuation of the 12-day war. | 我们认为这三天是以色列人的阴谋,是12天战争的继续。 |
| 197 | Why they did it? | 他们为什么要这么做? |
| 198 | Because last time in the war, in the 12-day war, they saw that people came to the streets | 因为上次在战争中,在12天的战争中,他们看到人们走上街头 |
| 199 | in support of the Islamic Republic. | 支持伊朗伊斯兰共和国。 |
| 200 | There was social unity in support of the system. | 社会团结支持这一制度。 |
| 201 | This time they wanted to change the course. | 这次他们想改变路线 |
| 202 | So they started with some riots in the streets. | 于是他们开始在街头发生骚乱. |
| 203 | They gave weapons to certain elements to come and shoot people. | 他们把武器给了某些人,让他们来开枪。 |
| 204 | So we would have this chaos. | 所以我们会有这种混乱。 |
| 205 | And then attack us. | 然后攻击我们。 |
| 206 | Exactly what is going on right now. | 现在到底是怎么回事? |
| 207 | So all of those were very well planned, you know, plot by Israelis and Americans. | 所有这些都是精心策划的, 以色列人和美国人的阴谋。 |
| 208 | But we were able to control that operation. | 但我们能够控制这次行动。 |
| 209 | And we are able to defend ourselves this time. | 我们这次能够保护自己 |
| 210 | And you will see that how we can defend ourselves and the world will see. | 你会看到,我们如何捍卫自己和世界。 |
| 211 | Sir, you heard likely the president of the United States talk about regime change | 先生,你听说美国总统可能谈到政权更迭 |
| 212 | in Iran this morning in his recorded statements. | 他今天上午在伊朗的发言中作了记录。 |
| 213 | What is your message to the president? | 你给总统什么消息? |
| 214 | Well, I think this is mission impossible. | 我觉得这任务不可能完成 |
| 215 | You know, for regime change, you cannot do regime change while millions of people are | 要知道,为了政权的改变, 你不能做政权的改变, 而数百万人是 |
| 216 | supporting these so-called regimes. | 支持这些所谓的政权。 |
| 217 | Just look at what happened in the 47th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution. | 看看伊斯兰革命47周年时发生的事情. |
| 218 | We had altogether about 30 million people in the streets in all cities of Iran in support | 在伊朗所有城市的街道上 共有3000万人支持 |
| 219 | of the Islamic Republic and in support of the whole system. | 支持整个系统。 |
| 220 | So you cannot change this regime because it's supported by the people. | 所以你不能改变这个政权,因为它得到了人民的支持. |
| 221 | Yes, there are also people who are complaining. | 是的,还有人抱怨。 |
| 222 | But they are strong supporters of the system at the same time. | 但他们同时是该制度的坚定支持者. |
| 223 | And then we have a very well-established political structure. | 然后,我们有一个非常牢固的政治结构。 |
| 224 | And they have tried regime change. | 他们试图改变政权。 |
| 225 | This is not the first time that they want to do regime change. | 这不是他们第一次想更换政权。 |
| 226 | They have tried in the past. | 他们曾经尝试过。 |
| 227 | Look, in the past 47 years, the United States has tried everything from coup, from sanctions, | 听着 在过去47年里 美国从政变到制裁 都试过 |
| 228 | eight years of war by Saddam Hussein, supported by the United States and many others. | 萨达姆·侯赛因发动的八年战争,得到了美国和其他许多国家的支持. |
| 229 | And then, you know, a 12-day war, a snapback in the Security Council and terrorist operations. | 然后,你知道,一场12天的战争,安全理事会的一次突然反击和恐怖主义行动。 |
| 230 | They have tried everything. | 他们尝试了一切。 |
| 231 | And all of them failed. | 他们都失败了 |
| 232 | And I don't know why they don't understand their failures. | 我不知道为什么他们不明白他们的失败。 |
| 233 | So if they want to repeat a failed experience, they won't get any better result. | 所以如果他们想重复一次失败的经历,就不会有更好的结果. |
| 234 | Then, sir, what is your message to the Iranian people? | 那么,先生,你对伊朗人民有什么信息? |
| 235 | We understand that you described the president's call for regime change as mission impossible. | 我们理解你把总统要求更换政权 描述为不可能完成的任务 |
| 236 | What is your message to the people of Iran right now? | 你现在向伊朗人民传达的信息是什么? |
| 237 | In your words, everything is under control. | 用你的话说,一切都在控制之中。 |
| 238 | But based on what the world is seeing, there appears to be smoke coming up from a variety | 但根据世界所看到的, 似乎有烟 从各种 |
| 239 | of different sites throughout Tehran. | 在德黑兰各地的不同地点。 |
| 240 | There appears to be some panic and real concern there. | 那里似乎有一些恐慌和真正的关切。 |
| 241 | What do you tell the people of that country about the state of its government | 你如何告诉这个国家的人民 政府的状况 |
| 242 | and the state of Iran broadly? | 和伊朗的大致状况? |
| 243 | Well, I said everything is under control. | 我说一切都在掌控之中 |
| 244 | I didn't say that there is no war. | 我没说没有战争 |
| 245 | Of course, there is war. | 当然,还有战争。 |
| 246 | Of course, there is panic. | 当然,这是恐慌。 |
| 247 | Of course, there are attacks to different buildings. | 当然,不同建筑物也遭到袭击。 |
| 248 | Of course, about 60 students, girl students, have been killed in one school. | 当然,大约60名学生,女学生,在一个学校里被杀害。 |
| 249 | Of course, there are those things. | 当然,有那些东西。 |
| 250 | But my message to my own people is that we are a great nation with a great civilization. | 但是,我向我国人民发出的信息是,我们是一个拥有伟大文明的伟大国家。 |
| 251 | We have lasted for thousands of years and we know how to defend ourselves. | 我们持续了几千年,知道如何自卫。 |
| 252 | We know how to deal with our enemies and we will survive | 我们知道如何对付敌人,我们会活下来 |
| 253 | when we become more stronger out of this. | 当我们变得更加强大了。 |
| 254 | So when you hear the president say to the people of Iran, | 当你听到总统对伊朗人民说 |
| 255 | your freedom is your own, rise up, the United States will be with you, | 你的自由是你的, 起来,美国会和你在一起, |
| 256 | you say to them that's a hollow gesture? | 你说那是空洞的姿态? |
| 257 | Isn't that the intervention in the internal affairs of another country? | 这不是干涉他国内政吗? |
| 258 | If we had done so, what have you said? | 如果我们这样做了,你说什么? |
| 259 | So the president of another country, no matter how powerful, has no right to decide for the | 所以,另一个国家的总统,无论多么强大,都无权决定 |
| 260 | another country, to order the people of another country what to do and what not to do. | 另一国家,命令他国人民做什么和不做什么。 |
| 261 | And this is what he did, by the way, in those terrorist operations. | 顺便提一下,这就是他在那些恐怖行动中所做的。 |
| 262 | He was the one who set fires in the governmental buildings. | 他是在政府大楼放火的人。 |
| 263 | Do this, do that. | 做到这一点,做到这一点。 |
| 264 | And now he's asking people to rise against their government. | 现在他要求人们起立反对他们的政府. |
| 265 | Has he any right to do that? | 他有权利这么做吗? |
| 266 | I don't think so. | 亦不见. |
| 267 | Sir, are there any back channel talks, any communications that are taking place right now? | 先生,有没有后台谈话, 任何通讯正在进行中? |
| 268 | Or are those done? | 还是完成了? |
| 269 | And separately, can this be de-escalated and how? | 分开来,这能降级吗? |
| 270 | Well, there is no communication right now. | 现在没有通讯了 |
| 271 | But if Americans want to talk to us, they know how they can contact me. | 但如果美国人想和我们谈谈 他们知道怎么联系我 |
| 272 | We are certainly interested for de-escalation. | 我们当然对缓和局势感兴趣。 |
| 273 | This is not our war. | 这不是我们的战争。 |
| 274 | This is an imposed war against us. | 这是对我们强加的战争。 |
| 275 | This is a war of choice by the United States. | 这是美国选择的战争。 |
| 276 | And they have to pay for that. | 他们必须为此付出代价。 |
| 277 | And I will, they will, they do. | 我会,他们会,他们会的。 |
| 278 | But as far as we are concerned, we don't want war. | 但就我们而言,我们不希望战争. |
| 279 | We don't want escalation in our region. | 我们不希望我们地区的升级。 |
| 280 | We are ready for de-escalation. | 我们准备缓和局势。 |
| 281 | But the aggression should be stopped first. | 但侵略应该先停止. |
| 282 | The attacks should be stopped first. | 攻击应首先停止。 |
| 283 | And then there is the possibility to talk and we can consider that. | 然后,我们有可能谈论 我们可以考虑这一点。 |
| 284 | I'm not promising anything because our people are very angry right now. | 我不敢保证,因为我们的人现在很生气 |
| 285 | So if the war is stopped, if the aggression is stopped, | 所以如果战争停止 如果侵略停止 |
| 286 | then we will see how we can work for de-escalation. | 然后我们再看看如何实现缓和。 |
| 287 | Sir, just days ago, you had said that there had been a semblance of an agreement | 先生,就在几天前,你说过, 协议的相似之处 |
| 288 | between the U.S. and Iran and a way to avoid a war, if you will. | 美国和伊朗之间 以及避免战争的方法 如果你愿意的话 |
| 289 | What specific concessions was Iran not willing to give up? | 伊朗不愿意放弃哪些具体让步? |
| 290 | Well, on our nuclear program, we made it clear for the American team | 在我们的核计划上,我们为美国队说得很清楚 |
| 291 | that we are prepared to do everything in order to prove that our nuclear program is peaceful | 证明我们的核计划是和平的 |
| 292 | and would remain peaceful forever. | 永远保持和平 |
| 293 | What we are not prepared for is to give up our right. | 我们没有准备好放弃我们的权利。 |
| 294 | We are not giving up our right, including for enrichment. | 我们不会放弃我们的权利,包括浓缩的权利。 |
| 295 | But we are ready to build confidence on our nuclear program | 但我们准备建立对核方案的信心 |
| 296 | to make sure that our program is peaceful and would remain peaceful forever. | 确保我们的计划是和平的 并且永远保持和平 |
| 297 | For that reason, for that goal, we offered good concessions to the U.S. team | 为此,我们向美国队提供了良好的让步 |
| 298 | when we met them last Thursday, two days ago. | 我们上星期四见他们的时候 两天前 |
| 299 | I may go into the details of those concessions in another program, perhaps, | 我可以在另一个计划中 详细介绍这些特许权,也许, |
| 300 | in order for the whole world to understand and for Americans to understand | 让全世界都明白 美国人也明白 |
| 301 | that we were progressing, we made significant progress. | 我们取得了重大的进展。 |
| 302 | We agreed to do enrichment only based on our needs, the needs of Iranian people. | 我们同意只根据我们的需要和伊朗人民的需要来进行浓缩。 |
| 303 | I can tell you one of our needs. | 我可以告诉你一个我们的需求。 |
| 304 | It is a new Tehran research reactor. | 它是一个新的德黑兰研究反应堆。 |
| 305 | This is a small reactor, by the way, built by Americans before the revolution. | 顺便说一句,这是一个小型反应堆,是美国人在革命前建造的. |
| 306 | And this reactor produces radioisotopes, | 这个反应堆会产生放射性同位素, |
| 307 | medicines needed for nearly two million Iranians. | 近200万伊朗人需要药品。 |
| 308 | So how we can give it up? | 那我们怎么放弃呢? |
| 309 | How we can just stop this reactor? | 我们怎么能阻止这个反应堆? |
| 310 | So we would continue our program based on our own needs. | 因此,我们将根据我们自己的需要继续我们的方案。 |
| 311 | This is what we can do, and we are prepared to do that. | 这是我们可以做的,我们准备这样做。 |
| 312 | And we can accept robust verifications and monitoring by the agency. | 我们可以接受该机构的严格核查和监测。 |
| 313 | And we can even do some more confidence-building measures | 我们甚至可以做一些更多的建立信任措施 |
| 314 | in order to make sure, as I said, that everything would remain peaceful. | 正如我所说,为了确保一切保持和平。 |
| 315 | I see the possibility to reach a deal which can guarantee that Iran's program is peaceful. | 我认为可以达成一项能够保证伊朗计划和平的协议。 |
| 316 | At the same time, sanctions are lifted and economic cooperation can be started. | 与此同时,制裁得以解除,经济合作得以开始。 |
| 317 | And we go for peace. | 我们走向和平。 |
| 318 | And I don't know why the United States, why President Trump just missed that opportunity. | 我不知道为什么美国,为什么特朗普总统只是错过了这个机会. |
| 319 | Ask the foreign minister of Oman how close we were to get a deal. | 问阿曼外长我们有多接近达成交易. |
| 320 | Mr. Arachi, if I may, we heard from the president first in his State of the Union address that took | 阿拉奇先生,如果可以的话,我们首先听到总统在他的国情咨文中的讲话。 |
| 321 | place on Tuesday and again this morning and recorded remarks that I'm sure you've heard. | 周二和今天上午再次录制的言论 我相信你们听说过 |
| 322 | The president said, among other things, that Iran has been building missiles that, in his words, | 总统说,除其他外,伊朗一直在制造导弹,用他的话来说, |
| 323 | could soon reach the American homeland. | 很快就会到达美国故乡 |
| 324 | So as it relates to Iran's ballistic missile capabilities, | 因此,就伊朗弹道导弹能力而言, |
| 325 | does Iran now have the capability to reach the U.S. homeland? | 伊朗现在是否有能力到达美国祖国? |
| 326 | How far removed is it from that capability? | 它离这种能力有多远? |
| 327 | No, no, we don't have that capability. | 不,不,我们没有这种能力。 |
| 328 | We have intentionally kept the range of our missiles below 2,000 kilometers. | 我们有意将导弹射程控制在2 000公里以下。 |
| 329 | So we don't have that capability and we don't want to do that | 所以,我们没有这种能力 我们不想这样做 |
| 330 | because we don't have any hostility against the United States people or Europeans or whatsoever. | 因为我们对美国人民或欧洲人没有任何敌意 |
| 331 | We have built that capability in order to defend ourselves against our enemies. | 我们建立这种能力是为了保卫我们自己不受敌人的伤害。 |
| 332 | And, you know, our missiles prove to be the most reliable means of defense for us. | 而且,你知道,我们的导弹 证明是我们最可靠的防御手段。 |
| 333 | So obviously we cannot compromise on our missiles because our security depends on them. | 因此,我们显然不能在导弹问题上妥协,因为我们的安全依赖于导弹。 |
| 334 | So the more, you know, the U.S. administration, the more Europeans or whoever | 所以,你知道, 美国政府, 更多的欧洲人或谁 |
| 335 | insist that Iran should disarm itself from those missiles, | 坚持伊朗应解除这些导弹的武装, |
| 336 | the more we are convinced that in order to protect ourselves, we need those missiles. | 我们越相信,为了保护自己,我们需要这些导弹。 |
| 337 | So our missiles have defensive nature. | 因此我们的导弹具有防御性. |
| 338 | Our missiles are only for deterrence and defense. | 我们的导弹只用于威慑和防御。 |
| 339 | They are not for aggression and nobody has any record of any aggression by us | 他们不是用来侵略的 没有人有我们侵略的记录 |
| 340 | against our neighbors in the past 200 years. | 在过去的200年里 对抗我们的邻居 |
| 341 | So for clarity, you said that your missiles cannot reach the United States by design, | 所以,为了清楚起见,你说你的导弹不能通过设计到达美国, |
| 342 | that you do not want to reach the United States, | 你不想去美国 |
| 343 | but you also said it would be necessary as a defensive vehicle that you could if necessary. | 但你也说过 必要时必须把它当作防御工具 |
| 344 | So to be clear, are you committing that Iran is not and will not build missiles | 所以要说清楚,你是否承诺伊朗不是,也不会制造导弹 |
| 345 | that would have the capability to reach the United States? | 能够到达美国? |
| 346 | I can confirm, yes. | 我可以确认,是的。 |
| 347 | Sir, if that's a red line for you, why is attacking U.S. military bases abroad justified? | 主席先生,如果这是一条红线 对于你来说, 为什么攻击美国军事基地是正当的? |
| 348 | But because they are attacking us. | 因为他们在攻击我们 |
| 349 | They are U.S. military installations, facilities, bases who are attacking us. | 它们是攻击我们的美国军事设施、设施、基地。 |
| 350 | We are under attack. | 我们受到了攻击。 |
| 351 | Why don't you recognize this fact? | 你为何不承认这个事实? |
| 352 | We are under the attack by U.S. forces in the region. | 我们受到美军在该地区的攻击。 |
| 353 | So we have every right to defend ourselves. | 因此,我们有充分的权利自卫。 |
| 354 | How to defend ourselves? | 怎么保护自己? |
| 355 | We attacked the U.S. bases. | 我们攻击了美国基地 |
| 356 | This is obvious. | 这很明显 |
| 357 | This is a very simple fact and I'm sure that people would understand that. | 这是一个非常简单的事实,我相信人们会明白这一点。 |
| 358 | We are not the one who attacked Americans. | 我们不是攻击美国人的人 |
| 359 | We are only defending ourselves. | 我们只是在为自己辩护。 |
| 360 | Did these attacks that were carried out by the U.S. and Israel today | 这些攻击是美国和以色列今天进行的吗? |
| 361 | destroy Iranian missile bases? | 摧毁伊朗导弹基地? |
| 362 | Well, I don't think so because we are firing our missiles almost every hour. | 我不这么认为,因为我们几乎每个小时都发射导弹。 |
| 363 | Did it destroy any missile bases there? | 它摧毁了那里的导弹基地吗? |
| 364 | Well, I don't know. | 嗯,我不晓得。 |
| 365 | I have no detailed information yet. | 我还没有详细的消息 |
| 366 | But as I see, only one hour after the U.S. attacks, | 但正如我所见 在美国袭击后一小时 |
| 367 | we started to launch missiles to hit targets in Israel and in U.S. bases. | 我们开始发射导弹 击中以色列和美国基地的目标 |
| 368 | That means that our capability is there and we have enough capability, | 这意味着我们的能力已经存在,我们有足够的能力, |
| 369 | we have enough strength to continue this as long as needed. | 我们有足够的力量来维持下去。 |
| 370 | I am telling this with confidence. | 我满怀信心地告诉大家这一点。 |
| 371 | We are more prepared than previous war, quantity-wise and quality-wise. | 我们比以往的战争更加准备,在数量和质量上更加准备。 |
| 372 | Mr. Arachi, we have heard from many foreign leaders throughout the world, | 阿拉奇先生,我们从世界各地许多外国领导人那里听说, |
| 373 | among them from the Kremlin. | 其中有来自克里姆林宫的 |
| 374 | We have heard from Russia. | 我们收到俄罗斯的消息。 |
| 375 | We are beginning to hear from other nations elsewhere. | 我们开始听到其他国家的声音。 |
| 376 | What, if any, communications has Iran had from some of its allies, | 如果有的话,伊朗从一些盟国那里得到什么信息, |
| 377 | many of them viewed as adversaries to the United States around the world, | 他们中许多人被视为全世界美国的对手, |
| 378 | about what they are committed to do at this time? | 关于他们此时的承诺? |
| 379 | Well, I had a good conversation with my Russian counterpart. | 我和我的俄罗斯同事谈得很好 |
| 380 | I also talked with my colleagues in the region, | 我还同本地区的同事进行了交谈, |
| 381 | with Turkey, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, all those GCC countries. | 所有海湾合作委员会国家。 |
| 382 | My mission is to end the war. | 我的任务是结束战争。 |
| 383 | This is my mission as foreign minister, to end this unprovoked war against us. | 这是我作为外交部长的使命, 结束这场无端对我们的战争。 |
| 384 | We are in close contact with our friends in Russia and China, | 我们和我们在俄罗斯和中国的朋友有密切联系 |
| 385 | and others in the region. | 以及该地区其他国家。 |
| 386 | And I am prepared to work on any idea which is just and reasonable | 我愿意研究任何公正合理的想法 |
| 387 | and can help ending this war with pride, of course. | 当然,可以自豪地帮助结束这场战争。 |
| 388 | Mr. Abbas Arachi is the foreign minister of Iran. | 阿巴斯·阿拉奇先生是伊朗外交部长。 |
| 389 | Mr. Arachi, we appreciate your perspective in coming to speak with us this morning. | 阿拉奇先生,我们赞赏你今天上午前来与我们交谈的看法。 |
| 390 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 391 | Thank you for having me. | 谢谢你邀请我 |
| 392 | 丁子ko. |
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