变革时代的领导力：规则变化时的治理之道 | 2026.9.1
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:04 | Good evening everyone and welcome to the John F Kennedy jr. Forum here at the Institute of politics. | 各位晚安 欢迎来到约翰肯尼迪大学 政治学院的论坛 |
| 0:09 | My name is Tucker Coombs | 我叫塔克库姆斯 |
| 0:10 | I'm one of the co-chairs here at the forum and we're so excited to welcome you here tonight before we begin | 我是论坛的联席主席之一 我们很高兴在今晚开始之前欢迎你 |
| 0:15 | Please note the exit doors which are located on both the Parkside and the JFK Street side of the forum and in the event of an | 请注意位于论坛公园一侧和肯尼迪街一侧的出口门,如果有的话。 |
| 0:22 | Emergency, please walk to your nearest exit | 紧急,请步行到最近的出口 |
| 0:25 | Tonight's program will be live streamed and archived online and will include an audience Q&A segment | 今晚的节目将在线直播和存档 包括一个观众QQA部分 |
| 0:31 | Audience members are asking questions are asked to identify themselves if they wish but you are not required to do so | 观众提问 问自己,如果他们愿意,但你不需要这样做 |
| 0:37 | Please also take a moment to silence your phones and join me now in welcoming Harvard College undergraduates | 也请花点时间 安静一下你的电话 现在和我一起欢迎哈佛大学的本科生 |
| 0:44 | Anjali Krishnamurti | 安贾利·克里希纳穆尔蒂 |
| 0:45 | Landon Elks and Morgan J | 兰登·埃尔克斯和摩根J |
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| 1 | Good evening everyone and welcome to the John F Kennedy jr. Forum here at the Institute of politics. | 各位晚安 欢迎来到约翰肯尼迪大学 政治学院的论坛 |
| 2 | My name is Tucker Coombs | 我叫塔克库姆斯 |
| 3 | I'm one of the co-chairs here at the forum and we're so excited to welcome you here tonight before we begin | 我是论坛的联席主席之一 我们很高兴在今晚开始之前欢迎你 |
| 4 | Please note the exit doors which are located on both the Parkside and the JFK Street side of the forum and in the event of an | 请注意位于论坛公园一侧和肯尼迪街一侧的出口门,如果有的话。 |
| 5 | Emergency, please walk to your nearest exit | 紧急,请步行到最近的出口 |
| 6 | Tonight's program will be live streamed and archived online and will include an audience Q&A segment | 今晚的节目将在线直播和存档 包括一个观众QQA部分 |
| 7 | Audience members are asking questions are asked to identify themselves if they wish but you are not required to do so | 观众提问 问自己,如果他们愿意,但你不需要这样做 |
| 8 | Please also take a moment to silence your phones and join me now in welcoming Harvard College undergraduates | 也请花点时间 安静一下你的电话 现在和我一起欢迎哈佛大学的本科生 |
| 9 | Anjali Krishnamurti | 安贾利·克里希纳穆尔蒂 |
| 10 | Landon Elks and Morgan J | 兰登·埃尔克斯和摩根J |
| 11 | Good evening everyone and welcome to the John F. Kennedy jr. Forum here at the Harvard Institute of politics | 各位晚安 欢迎来到哈佛政治学院的约翰肯尼迪论坛 |
| 12 | My name is Morgan J | 我叫摩根・J |
| 13 | I'm a sophomore at the college studying government and history and I'm a member of the student forum committee | 我是大学学政和历史的二年级学生 也是学生论坛委员会的成员 |
| 14 | This semester. | 这个学期 |
| 15 | I also have the privilege of serving as a student chief of staff to ambassador Kelly craft and my name is Anjali Krishnamurti | 我还有幸担任凯利·克丽丝汀大使 的学生参谋长 我叫安贾利·克里希纳穆尔蒂 |
| 16 | I'm a senior at the college studying social studies and I'm also a member of the JFK jr. Forum committee | 我是大学学习社会学的资深学生,同时也是JFK jr的成员. 论坛委员会 |
| 17 | I am so excited to be the chief of staff for ambassador Chris Lou this semester | 我很高兴能成为克里斯·卢大使这个学期的幕僚长 |
| 18 | Which in my opinion will be the best team and I'm Landon Elks. | 我认为这是最好的团队 我是兰登艾克斯 |
| 19 | I'm a senior at the college studying economics and history | 我是大学高年级学生 学习经济学和历史 |
| 20 | I'm a member of the JFK jr. Student forum committee, and I'm the chief of staff for governor Doug Ducey this semester tonight | 我是肯尼迪军团的成员 学生论坛委员会,我今晚是道格·杜塞州长的幕僚长 |
| 21 | We're honored to welcome the fall | 我们很荣幸欢迎秋天 |
| 22 | 2026 Institute of politics resident fellows. | 2026 政治研究所驻地研究员. |
| 23 | It's a group whose experiences at the highest level of | 这是一个在最高层的经验 |
| 24 | diplomacy governance and journalism | 外交治理和新闻 |
| 25 | Offers wisdom in what it means to navigate change and and uncertainty | 提供智慧,说明在变革和不确定性中的意义 |
| 26 | Starting with governor Ducey Ducey served two terms as the governor of Arizona earlier in his career | 从杜塞州长开始 杜塞在亚利桑那州执政两届 |
| 27 | He served as the Arizona State Treasurer and the CEO of Cold Stone | 曾任亚利桑那州财务主任和冷石总裁 |
| 28 | Creamery where he led the expansion of the ice cream franchise from just a few stores | 奶油 他领导扩大 冰淇淋特许权 从几个商店 |
| 29 | Into a global brand with more than 1,400 locations in the United States and into ten other countries as governor | 进入全球品牌 在美国1400多个地点 并进入其他10个国家担任州长 |
| 30 | He enacted the nation's lowest flat income tax | 他制定了全国最低的定额所得税 |
| 31 | Introduced the first in a nation | 在一个国家中引入了第一个 |
| 32 | Measure requiring students to pass the civics tests before graduating high school and establish universal school choice | 要求学生在高中毕业前通过公民考试并确定普遍学校选择的措施 |
| 33 | Also during his tenure governor Ducey was elected by his peers to serve as a chairman of the Republican Governors Association | 也在他的任期内,杜塞州长被同行选举为共和党州长协会主席 |
| 34 | Chris Liu is a public servant and diplomat whose career has taken him everywhere from Congress to the White House and the United Nations | 刘克里斯是个公务员和外交官 他的事业使他从国会到白宫和联合国 |
| 35 | Most recently Lou served as US ambassador to the United Nations for management and reform | 最近卢担任美国驻联合国管理和改革大使 |
| 36 | where he led negotiations on the new UN budget and spearheaded the first-ever UN General Assembly resolution on artificial intelligence | 他领导了关于联合国新预算的谈判,并率先提出了联合国大会有史以来第一次关于人工智能的决议。 |
| 37 | During the Obama administration Lou served as the US Deputy Secretary of Labor, and he is currently the James R. Schlesinger | 在奥巴马政府执政期间,卢担任美国劳工部副部长,他目前是詹姆斯·R·施莱辛格(James R. |
| 38 | distinguished professor at the University of Virginia | 弗吉尼亚大学杰出教授 |
| 39 | Ambassador Natalie Reyes is the former US ambassador to the Republic of Croatia as ambassador | 纳塔莉·雷耶斯大使是前美国驻克罗地亚共和国大使,担任大使 |
| 40 | She strengthened the bilateral relationship between two NATO allies advanced transatlantic cooperation and promoted economic partnerships | 她加强了北约两个盟国之间的双边关系,促进了跨大西洋合作,并促进了经济伙伴关系。 |
| 41 | Previously she served as the deputy chief of staff to a Los Angeles mayor James K. Hahn | 之前她曾担任洛杉矶市长James K. Hahn的副参谋长 |
| 42 | before joining Grupo Salinas in the United States as vice president of public affairs as | 在加入美国Grupo Salinas担任公共事务副主席之前 |
| 43 | President and CEO of Latino Victory | 拉丁美洲胜利组织主席兼首席执行官 |
| 44 | She led one of the nation's premier organizations dedicated to increasing Latino civic participation and representation in public office | 她领导了全国一个致力于增加拉丁公民参与和公职代表性的首创组织。 |
| 45 | She also founded the American Mexican Leadership Council the Venezuelan American caucus in the hope by national fellowship | 她还创建了美国墨西哥领导委员会 委内瑞拉美国核心小组 希望通过国家研究金 |
| 46 | Ambassador Kelly craft served as the US ambassador to Canada from 2017 until 2019 in that role | 凯利·费雷大使从2017年担任美国驻加拿大大使至2019年担任此职. |
| 47 | She worked to negotiate the US Mexico Canada agreement, which was ultimately signed in 2019 after her ambassadorship to Canada | 她致力于谈判美国墨西哥加拿大协议,最终在她担任驻加拿大大使后于2019年签署. |
| 48 | She served as the US ambassador to the United Nations there | 她曾担任美国驻联合国大使 |
| 49 | She oversaw the implementation of the Abraham Accords which normalized relations between Israel the United Arab Emirates Bahrain and other partners in the region | 她监督《亚伯拉罕协定》的执行情况,该协定使以色列、阿拉伯联合酋长国、巴林和该区域其他伙伴关系正常化。 |
| 50 | Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas has served in the administrations of four presidents both Republican and Democrat | 亚历杭德罗·马约卡斯秘书在共和党和民主党四位总统的行政部门任职 |
| 51 | most recently he served as the United States Secretary of Homeland Security a role in which | 最近,他担任美国国土安全部长,其职责是: |
| 52 | 260,000 employees fell directly under his supervision across a broad set of missions including counterterrorism | 260 000名雇员在包括反恐在内的一系列广泛任务中直接受其监督 |
| 53 | immigration and response to natural disasters | 移民和应对自然灾害 |
| 54 | Marcos's public service career began in the United States Attorney's Office in Los Angeles | 马科斯的公共服务生涯始于美国洛杉矶检察官办公室 |
| 55 | Where he distinguished himself as a trial lawyer and rose to become a unit the youngest United States attorney in the nation | 在那里,他以审判律师的身份出众,成为全国最年轻的美国律师 |
| 56 | Chris Whipple is an author political analyst and documentary filmmaker as contributing writer for Vanity Fair | Chris Whipple是一名政治分析家兼纪录片制片人, |
| 57 | He has profiled White House chief of staff Susie Wiles and many other powerful newsmakers | 他给白宫的幕僚长苏西·威尔斯 和许多其他有势力的新闻制作人 |
| 58 | Whipple's books include the New York Times bestseller Uncharted how Trump beat Biden Harris and the odds in the wildest campaign in history | Whipple的著作包括"纽约时报"畅销书,不知特朗普如何战胜拜登·哈里斯,以及历史上最狂野的竞选中的几率. |
| 59 | After stints at foreign policy and Newsweek, he spent eight years as a reporter at life in | 在外交政策和"新闻周刊"上打官司后,他花了八年时间做记者 |
| 60 | 1986 he became a producer at CBS News | 1986年成为CBS新闻的制片人. |
| 61 | 60 minutes where he won a George Foster P. Barty award | 他赢得乔治·福斯特·P·巴蒂奖的60分钟 |
| 62 | He later worked as a producer at ABC News where he won multiple Emmy Awards in | 他后来在ABC新闻公司担任制片人,在那里他赢得了多个艾美奖. |
| 63 | 2010 he started his documentary film company and he is now the executive producer and writer of the spy masters | 2010年,他创办了纪录片公司,现在是间谍大师们的执行制片人和编剧. |
| 64 | CIA in the crosshairs on Showtime | 中央情报局在Showtime的交叉发条 |
| 65 | And rounding us out moderating the forum tonight is Betsy Fisher Martin the director of the Institute of Politics and herself a former IOP | 我们今晚的论坛是 政治学院院长Betsy Fisher Martin 还有她本人的前IOP |
| 66 | resident fellow Fisher Martin spent more than two decades at NBC News where she served as the executive producer of meet the press and | 常住同胞费舍尔·马丁在NBC新闻社工作了20多年,她在那里担任了记者见面会的执行制片人。 |
| 67 | Managing editor of NBC News political programming working closely with moderator Tim Russert | NBC新闻政治节目总编辑与主持人Tim Russert密切合作 |
| 68 | She produced the nation's longest-running television program and helped lead NBC's coverage of presidential campaigns elections and other political events | 她制作了全国运行时间最长的电视节目,并帮助领导NBC报道总统选举和其他政治事件. |
| 69 | Her work at NBC News or was recognized with several honors including multiple news and documentary Emmy Awards and the Walter Cronkite award for excellence in | 她在NBC News的作品或获得多项荣誉称号,包括多个新闻和纪录片艾美奖以及沃尔特·克伦基特杰出奖. |
| 70 | television political journalism | 电视政治新闻 |
| 71 | She's been over a decade at America University's school of public affairs where she served as the executive director of the Women in Politics Institute | 在美国大学的公共事务学院 她担任政治学院执行院长 |
| 72 | And was a faculty member and senior executive in residence in the Department of Government | 也是政府部的教职员工和高级行政人员 |
| 73 | Now before we welcome them all to the stage, please enjoy this introductory video for our fall | 在欢迎他们全部登台之前 请欣赏这个秋天的录影带 |
| 74 | 2026 resident fellows. | 2026名常驻研究员。 |
| 75 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 76 | When one has 100% confidence in the integrity of one's decision-making | 当一个人对自己决策的公正性 完全有信心时 |
| 77 | It's | 这是 |
| 78 | We should own it we should | 我们应该拥有它,我们应该 |
| 79 | Enjoy it and we should help other women be those leaders that we want to see my dad was a journalist | 好好享受吧 我们应该帮助其他女人 成为我们想要见到的领袖 我爸爸是个记者 |
| 80 | So that's how it started | 就是这样开始的 |
| 81 | This is pretty exciting stuff. | 这是相当刺激的东西。 |
| 82 | Just covering the world people want to tell their story | 仅仅报道世界 人们想讲述他们的故事 |
| 83 | Especially if they think they're gonna feel fair here | 特别是如果他们觉得自己在这里公平 |
| 84 | How lucky are we to have this group with us we are excited about the semester ahead | 我们多么幸运,有这个团体 与我们一起,我们兴奋的 未来学期 |
| 85 | Three years ago. | 三岁前. |
| 86 | I was sitting up here as a fellow | 我坐在这里作为一个家伙 |
| 87 | So I wanted to tell you all just for those of you who may be new to the Harvard community in the IOP | 所以,我想告诉你们所有的人 仅仅为了你们中那些 可能是哈佛社区的新人 |
| 88 | These fellows are here for you. | 这些家伙在这里为你。 |
| 89 | They're in residence the entire semester. | 他们整个学期都在家中 |
| 90 | They are doing study groups | 他们正在做研究小组 |
| 91 | They are doing office hours they are visiting with students | 他们上班时间跟学生在一起 |
| 92 | So I encourage you to please take advantage of their expertise their leadership their mentorship | 所以,我鼓励你们利用他们的专长,利用他们的领导能力,利用他们的指导才能。 |
| 93 | We are incredibly fortunate to have them with us and we want to talk about tonight | 我们非常幸运 有他们与我们一起, 我们想谈论今晚 |
| 94 | which I think will give you all a great preview of | 我认为这将会给大家一个很好的预览 |
| 95 | what their study groups will be and we'll have time at the end to talk a little bit about that and to also | 他们的研究小组会是什么 我们最后会有时间 谈谈这件事 |
| 96 | As answer your questions and then I will say after the forum we are going to have a little reception in our IOP area | 回答你的问题,然后我会说,在论坛之后,我们将有一个小小的接待 我们的IOP区域 |
| 97 | So please come to that and be able to talk to the fellows | 所以,请来到这一点, 并且能够与研究员交谈 |
| 98 | there as well our | 还有我们 |
| 99 | umbrella topic for tonight is leadership in the age of disruption and | 今晚的总括议题是 领导在混乱的时代 |
| 100 | Each of these incredible individuals has dealt with this in very many ways. | 每一个不可思议的人都以非常多的方式处理了这个问题。 |
| 101 | So we're going to talk a little bit about that | 所以我们要谈谈这个 |
| 102 | Let me show my bias and start with the former television producer | 让我表现我的偏见,从前电视制片人开始 |
| 103 | I'm covering exactly. | 我完全覆盖。 |
| 104 | Yeah, we're both recovering | 是啊,我们都恢复了 |
| 105 | Chris Whipple because you have framed this and we've been talking a lot just informally this week about the notion of | 克莉丝 Whipple 因为你陷害了这个 我们本周一直在非正式地谈论 |
| 106 | principal le principal, right? | 校长,对吧? |
| 107 | How do you think about keeping your principles when serving a principle, right? | 你想在为原则服务时如何保持原则? |
| 108 | And Chris has written a lot about this. | 克里斯写了很多关于这个。 |
| 109 | He is an expert on chiefs of staff | 他是办公室主任专家 |
| 110 | White houses and I thought maybe Chris you could kick us off | 白宫和我想也许克里斯 你可以踢我们 |
| 111 | Framing a little bit how you've seen chiefs of staff deal with this sure issue. | 稍微细细地描述一下你是如何看到 办公室主任处理这个肯定的问题。 |
| 112 | Sure | 当然 |
| 113 | Let me just begin by saying what a pleasure it is to be here. | 请允许我首先说,在这里是多么的荣幸。 |
| 114 | But also my chief of staff Wyatt Meyer | 还有我的参谋长怀亚特·迈耶 |
| 115 | Could not be here tonight, but just for the record. | 今晚不可能在这里,但只为记录。 |
| 116 | We're not gonna let that challenge we're going to | 我们不会让这个挑战,我们要去 |
| 117 | We're not gonna let that pass idly by we're gonna try to be the best team | 我们不会袖手旁观的 我们会成为最好的团队 |
| 118 | What I've learned over the last 10 years or more of writing about | 过去十年或更长时间我所学的 |
| 119 | White House chiefs is that every president I should say almost every president | 白宫的首脑们是,每个总统,我应该说几乎每个总统 |
| 120 | Learns sometimes the hard way that you cannot govern effectively | 学会有时你无法有效治理的艰难方式 |
| 121 | Without empowering a White House chief of staff to number one execute your agenda | 不授权白宫的幕僚长 执行你的议程 |
| 122 | But even more importantly to tell you hard truths | 但更重要的是告诉你真相 |
| 123 | Why is that important presidents are fallible they have to be able to | 为什么那些重要的总统是错的 他们必须能够 |
| 124 | To process hard truths in order to govern there would have been in my view no | 处理确凿的真相,以便治理 我认为,没有 |
| 125 | Reagan revolution without James a Baker the third | 里根革命没有詹姆斯 贝克是第三次 |
| 126 | Baker Reagan was determined when he came into office right out of the blocks. | 贝克·里根在上任时就已经确定 |
| 127 | He wanted to | 他想这样 |
| 128 | completely | 完全没有 |
| 129 | cut Social Security | 社会保障 |
| 130 | Reform it Baker sat him down and said mr. President | 改革一下 贝克让他坐下来说 Mr. 庭长 |
| 131 | Social Security is the third rail of American politics. | 社会保障是美国政治的第三条轨道. |
| 132 | You touch it. | 你摸着它。 |
| 133 | You'll be electrocuted | 你会被电死 |
| 134 | Let's pivot to tax cuts and the rest is history | 让我们以减税为轴心 剩下的是历史 |
| 135 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 136 | believe that | 认为 |
| 137 | Bill Clinton might have been a one-term president | 比尔·克林顿可能是一任总统 |
| 138 | if not for his | 如果不是因为他 |
| 139 | amazingly effective chief of staff Leon Panetta who came in after 18 months when Clinton was | 惊人有效的参谋长里昂·帕内塔 18个月后,克林顿来了 |
| 140 | Dead in the water politically in serious trouble and helped to turn his White House around | 政治上死于水中 陷入严重的麻烦 帮助他的白宫转身 |
| 141 | In large part because he was telling | 很大程度上是因为他说 |
| 142 | Clinton hard truths | 克林顿的真相 |
| 143 | Jimmy Carter by contrast | 相形之下,吉米・卡特 |
| 144 | Thought he was so smart and he was smart that he could run the White House by himself | 以为他很聪明,很聪明,可以自己管理白宫 |
| 145 | He he didn't appoint a chief of staff until his final year in office | 他直到最后一年才任命幕僚长 |
| 146 | Jack Watson会来参加我的学习小组 | |
| 147 | Had he appointed Jack on day one, it might have been a different story and which brings me finally to | 如果他在第一天就任命杰克 可能是一个不同的故事 让我终于来到了 |
| 148 | Donald Trump who is seeing your your Vanity Fair piece here that made just a little bit of news | 唐纳德·特朗普正在看你的"名利场" 这篇小新闻 |
| 149 | At the end of last year when you're Susie Wiles my friend Susie Wiles | 去年年底你是苏西·威尔斯 我的朋友苏西·威尔斯 |
| 150 | We spent 10 I did 10 interviews with Susie Wiles over 10 months | 我们花了10年 我和Susie Wiles做了10次访谈 |
| 151 | And what I learned over that period of time was that she had | 在那段时间里 我学到的是 她有 |
| 152 | after in effect given up on | 在生效后放弃 |
| 153 | abdicated the most important responsibility of a White House chief which is | 放弃了白宫长官最重要的职责,即 |
| 154 | To tell the president what he doesn't want to hear | 告诉总统他不想听的 |
| 155 | And so that to me is is the lesson of the modern presidency | 对我来说是现代总统的教训 |
| 156 | You have to be able to empower a chief to help you govern | 你必须能授权一个酋长来帮助你治理 |
| 157 | Governor Ducey, let me bring you into this conversation and take you back to November 30th, 2020 | 杜塞州长,让我带你来这段对话 然后带你回2020年11月30日 |
| 158 | You are certifying the results in Arizona for the presidential election | 你在亚利桑那州认证总统选举结果 |
| 159 | You're you're literally signing them at the desk | 你在桌子上签了字 |
| 160 | Your phone rings and I think we have some video of this | 你的电话响了 我想我们有些录像 |
| 161 | It's in your pocket your phone rings. | 它在你口袋里 你的电话铃。 |
| 162 | You've got to listen here for a second | 你得在这里听一会 |
| 163 | Hail to the chief is coming out of the your ringtone meaning it's the president calling | 万岁,长官从你的铃声里出来了 意思是总统打电话来 |
| 164 | take us back to that moment and what was going through your mind when you | 带我们回到那个时刻 以及你当时在想什么 |
| 165 | Certified those results and silence that phone | 证明这些结果 和沉默的电话 |
| 166 | Well, if there was a thought bubble | 如果有一个思想泡沫 |
| 167 | Above my head when I was sitting down in that room and it wasn't a crowded room | 我坐在那间屋子里时 头顶上不是拥挤的房间 |
| 168 | It was only being live-streamed because it was the certification | 它只是被现场流 因为它是认证 |
| 169 | I of course knew the results of the election and all 15 | 我当然知道选举结果和全部15人 |
| 170 | Counties had certified and then it comes to the Secretary of State | 各州都认证了,然后交给了国务卿 |
| 171 | the governor and the Attorney General and for me to be sitting there with the document and | 州长和总检察长 和我坐在那的文件 |
| 172 | Receive that call at that time. | 接受那个电话的时候。 |
| 173 | You can only imagine | 你只能想象着 |
| 174 | What was going through my mind? | 我当时在想什么? |
| 175 | At the same time this was a public event and an official | 同时,这是一场公共活动和官方活动 |
| 176 | Ceremony, so regardless of who would have called I would be calling them back | 所以不管是谁打的电话 我都会打回去 |
| 177 | after the ceremony | 仪式结束后 |
| 178 | But tell us about that decision and the political the pressure that you felt and how you | 告诉我们你的决定 以及你感到的压力 和你的感受 |
| 179 | Thought through it and you you've said that it was a it was a simple decision, right? | 你却说这只是个简单的决定 对吧? |
| 180 | I've said publicly that I only wish all my decisions were that easy | 我公开说,我只希望我的决定都那么容易 |
| 181 | I took an oath to the Constitution | 我向宪法宣誓过 |
| 182 | My office was to execute and uphold the law and I found it rather simple to certify the election | 我的办公室是执行和维护法律 我发现证明选举很简单 |
| 183 | How do you think about sort of holding true to your principles when that political pressure is around you? | 政治压力在你身后,你如何看待坚持原则? |
| 184 | Not just then but at other times and how do you think about? | 不只是那时,而是在其他时候, 你怎么想? |
| 185 | Politics in that the moment that we're in now | 此时此刻的政治 |
| 186 | Well on this issue specifically I took an oath to the | 具体地说,我发誓 |
| 187 | Constitution and to the people of Arizona to no other entity | 宪法和亚利桑那州人民对任何其他实体 |
| 188 | and when | 何时 |
| 189 | those | 这些 |
| 190 | issues are in conflict | 问题有冲突 |
| 191 | the oath wins and | 誓将胜负, |
| 192 | Other issues I think especially once the election is over of course politics | 还有其他问题,我特别想 一旦选举当然结束了政治 |
| 193 | Still exist. | 还存在 |
| 194 | We'll be talking a lot about this in my study group and over the course of the semester | 在我的学习小组里和学期里 我们会讨论很多 |
| 195 | But you are in office | 但你已经就职了 |
| 196 | You are the governor and your job is to to be the governor | 你是州长,你的工作是当州长 |
| 197 | I said I wanted to be a governor for all the people so on any idea or policy that I wanted to move forward | 我说我想成为所有的人的总督 所以任何想法或政策 我想前进 |
| 198 | I wanted to get into rooms all over the state as large as possible and make the case for that | 我想尽可能大地进入全州的房间 并证明这一点 |
| 199 | So I I think you know, it's a harsh business | 所以,我想你知道, 这是一个严酷的生意 |
| 200 | You're exposed and people are able to offer their opinion | 你暴露了,人们可以发表意见 |
| 201 | But I think once the elections over and you're off in office | 但我想一旦选举结束 你就要上任了 |
| 202 | It's time to start leading and governing versus playing politics | 是时候开始领导和统治 而不是玩弄政治了 |
| 203 | That's really let me bring you in here because you've been in in these rooms | 那真的让我带你进来 因为你一直在这些房间 |
| 204 | Talk to us a little bit about disagreeant | 跟我们说说不和 |
| 205 | disagreement and how you think through in your role as ambassador and advisor to | 作为大使和顾问,你如何思考 |
| 206 | Various officeholders how you think through that? | 不同的官员 你怎么想的? |
| 207 | You know government is hard and the decisions that reach the president's desk that reach a cabinet member a governor's desk | 你知道政府很困难 总统办公室的决定 都交给内阁成员 州长办公室 |
| 208 | Are hard if they were easy somebody would have figured them out | 如果容易的话,就很难找到 |
| 209 | And as Doug said your oath is to the American people your oath is to the Constitution and you owe it to them | 正如道格所说 你对美国人民发誓 你对宪法宣誓 你欠他们 |
| 210 | To have the broadest range of views in that room | 在那间房间里有最广泛的意见 |
| 211 | I was proud to work 12 years for Barack Obama in the Senate and in the White House and he wanted diversity not just | 我自豪地为巴拉克·奥巴马在参议院和白宫工作了12年 而他想要的不仅仅是多样性 |
| 212 | Gender-diversity racial diversity he wanted diversity of use people who would tell him | 性别多样性 种族多样性 他希望使用多样性的人 谁告诉他 |
| 213 | Alternatives people that would look around corners and see problems because you'd rather have those disagreements in the room | 代替那些会四处看问题的人 因为你宁愿在房间里有这些分歧 |
| 214 | Then find out later on that. | 晚点再查 |
| 215 | Hey, we should have actually | 嘿,我们真的应该 |
| 216 | Thought of something that we didn't think of and and this goes back to the point that Chris just made | 想到一些我们没有想到的事 这又回到克里斯刚做的点 |
| 217 | If you want disagreement the prime characteristic of your staff cannot be loyalty. | 如果你想分歧 你的员工的主要特征不能是忠诚 |
| 218 | It's loyalty to the Constitution | 这是对宪法的忠诚 |
| 219 | Maybe it's maybe loyalty to the American people but it's not loyalty to the leader a leader needs to have that kind of disagreement | 也许这是对美国人民的忠诚 但不是对领袖的忠诚 领导人需要有这种分歧 |
| 220 | And if you're in a room where nobody disagrees with you, that doesn't make you a great leader | 如果你在一个没人不同意你的房间, 那不会让你成为一个伟大的领袖 |
| 221 | That probably means the process is messed up | 可能意味着整个过程都乱了 |
| 222 | Ambassador Mayorkas you've worked | 马约卡斯大使,你工作过 |
| 223 | Had the unique position to have worked under Democratic administrations Republican administrations as you think back through your career | 拥有在民主政府下工作的独特地位 共和政府就像你回想你的事业 |
| 224 | How do you handled like changes in policy direction? | 你怎么处理政策方向的改变? |
| 225 | And processing that talk us through a little bit of those leadership lessons that you've learned and your experience in | 并处理这些让我们通过 一点点的领导经验 你学到的教训和你的经验 |
| 226 | navigating different political environments | 适应不同的政治环境 |
| 227 | So Betsy the the methodology | 所以贝茜的方法 |
| 228 | Remains the same and the audience changes | 保持原样,观众会变 |
| 229 | so when I was a trial lawyer a federal prosecutor we experienced a dramatic change in | 所以当我是一个审判律师 一个联邦检察官 我们经历了一个巨大的变化 |
| 230 | charging decisions | 指控决定 |
| 231 | The then Attorney General Dick Thornburg promulgated a policy memorandum that said the line prosecutors | 时任总检察长迪克・索恩堡 颁布了一份政策备忘录 说线检察官 |
| 232 | must charge the most serious readily provable offense and | 必须指控最严重罪行,而且 |
| 233 | Could not plead a case that reduced the sentencing exposure | 无法为减少判刑风险的案件辩护 |
| 234 | Absent a change in the evidence or a change in law | 证据不足或法律变更 |
| 235 | It was a sea change in how we handled | 我们的处理方式发生了巨大变化 |
| 236 | Discretion in the courtroom and what we thought a just result | 审判室的权宜之计和我们所认为的公正结果 |
| 237 | Really warranted and so if in fact I and my colleagues were put in a position of | 我和我的同事们如果被安排到 |
| 238 | Prosecuting a case that we were concerned about the outcome pursuant to this policy | 起诉一个我们关切的根据这项政策的结果的案件; |
| 239 | We would appeal to our chief to the chief of the criminal division | 我们向刑侦处的长官呼吁 |
| 240 | Fast forward on the United States Attorney | 美国检察官的快速前进 |
| 241 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 242 | Had a disagreement with respect to a charging decision in a very high-profile case in Los Angeles, California | 在加利福尼亚州洛杉矶一个非常引人注目的案件中,对指控决定有分歧 |
| 243 | I appealed to the Attorney General | 我向司法部长上诉 |
| 244 | Fast forward on the secretary if I if there's a change in policy with which I disagree | 如果政策有变化,我不同意的话,就快去找秘书 |
| 245 | I appeal to the president or to the people immediately around the president if my view prevails | 我向总统或总统周围的人民呼吁,如果我的观点占上风的话 |
| 246 | So be it if it doesn't I | 所以,如果它没有我 |
| 247 | Execute according to how my supervisor my attorney general my president has so directed | 根据我的主管 执行我的总检察长 总统如此指示 |
| 248 | assuming of course | 当然 |
| 249 | That what I have been directed to execute does not in any way violate | 我奉命执行的绝不违反 |
| 250 | My my personal ethics and as Homeland Secretary you were you led a workforce of | 我个人的道德 身为国土秘书 你领导着一支团队 |
| 251 | 260,000 | 26万个 |
| 252 | When many employees may have different views about what's happening in administration politically speaking | 当许多员工对政府的政治言论有不同看法时 |
| 253 | How do you talk to them and about the policies that are that they're being asked to implement? | 你如何和他们交谈,以及他们被要求执行的政策? |
| 254 | What what I found and this is throughout my nearly 24 years of service is that the career personnel? | 我所发现的 在我的近24年服务中 就是职业人员? |
| 255 | Understand what their responsibility is and that is to execute the decisions of their leadership | 了解他们的责任是什么,即执行其领导人的决定 |
| 256 | and | 和 |
| 257 | in subordination | 从属关系 |
| 258 | Deviation from that is actually quite rare the challenge of a leader is how to actually galvanize people | 偏离这一点其实是很少见的 领导者的挑战是如何真正激励人们 |
| 259 | In unit you in a unified effort for a policy with which some might disagree and let me give you an example | 在单位里,你一致地努力 推行有人可能不同意的政策 让我举个例子 |
| 260 | President Obama | 奥巴马总统 |
| 261 | Directed me through secretary then Secretary of Homeland Security Janet Napolitano | 指挥我通过秘书 时任国土安全部长珍妮特·纳波利塔诺 |
| 262 | To build the DACA program deferred action for childhood arrivals program for the dreamers in 60 days | 在60天内为梦想者建立DACA方案,推迟为儿童抵达方案采取行动 |
| 263 | That was a 7% increase in our volume of business without a dollar in funding | 我们的生意量增加了7% 没有一美元的资金 |
| 264 | and I | 页:1 |
| 265 | communicated that policy to my workforce some were | 向我的工作人员传达了政策 |
| 266 | Extraordinarily jubilant others were mortified and | 特别欢庆的其他人受到侮辱, |
| 267 | What I said and I traveled around the country we had a workforce of about 18,000 people at that time | 我和我在乡下旅行时 那时我们有大约18000人 |
| 268 | I said, I don't care if you like it or if you don't I don't care | 我说,我不在乎你喜欢还是不喜欢 我不在乎 |
| 269 | If you don't like it if you like it if you don't but I will tell you this | 如果你不喜欢,如果你不喜欢,但我会告诉你 |
| 270 | most of the community | 大部分社区 |
| 271 | Doesn't think we're going to be able to do it in 60 days and if we do it, we're not going to do it | 没想到我们60天后就能办到 而且如果我们做,我们不会做 |
| 272 | So what I want is a unit unified action to disprove | 所以我想要的是单位统一行动来反驳 |
| 273 | the pessimism of the community and reset the reputation of this agency and so let's go and | 社区悲观 并重塑这个机构的声誉 所以让我们去 |
| 274 | that was my galvanizing call to action and | 那是我激励人们采取行动的号召 |
| 275 | We succeeded | 我们成功了 |
| 276 | Ambassador Kraft, let me ask you because diplomacy is much different picture here, right? | 克拉夫特大使,让我问你,因为外交是完全不同的,对不对? |
| 277 | You are | 琌 |
| 278 | Representing the president and the United States | 代表总统和美国 |
| 279 | Across the table from maybe people with very different agendas | 整个桌子上也许有 不同议程的人 |
| 280 | You have talked about the power of diplomacy the power of listening take us through | 你说过外交的力量 倾听的力量 带我们通过 |
| 281 | your career as a diplomat and how you | 你的外交官生涯,你是如何 |
| 282 | You've conducted yourself and how you also think about | 你表现了自己,你如何思考 |
| 283 | Having negotiations back and forth in a way that can be the most productive | 以最有成果的方式 前后谈判 |
| 284 | Well, thank you first of all, thank you all and what an honor it is to be here and to look out and see | 好了,首先谢谢你,感谢大家 和多麼的榮幸是在這裡, 和看出和看 |
| 285 | eager people that want to listen and to learn and once again, I use that word listen because part of diplomacy is | 渴望倾听和学习的人 我再次用这个词听 因为外交的一部分 |
| 286 | listening to the other individual that you're negotiating with | 听另一个人说话 |
| 287 | Because until you listen to the other person when you ask a question, they're going to know immediately. | 因为直到你听到别人 当你问一个问题, 他们会立刻知道。 |
| 288 | She wasn't listening | 她没听 |
| 289 | the way that I practice diplomacy | 我进行外交的方式 |
| 290 | Instead of sitting across the table and asking a head of state or another ambassador | 而不是坐在桌子对面 问一位国家元首或另一位大使 |
| 291 | For the vote for a very important vote in the Security Council. | 对安全理事会进行非常重要的表决。 |
| 292 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 293 | First made certain that that wasn't the first time that I sat across the table from them | 首先确定 这不是我第一次坐在桌子对面 |
| 294 | That I built a relationship whether it be just knowing one of their child's birthdays | 我建立了一种关系,如果它只是知道 他们的孩子的生日之一 |
| 295 | Knowing something about them | 了解他们 |
| 296 | that would be out of the ordinary and | 这将是不正常的, |
| 297 | Then when I needed a particular vote or a | 然后当我需要特别的投票或 |
| 298 | life-or-death border opening | 边界开放 |
| 299 | I wasn't there and I didn't say I need your vote president Trump need your vote | 我不在那里,我没有说 我需要你的投票 川普总统需要你的投票 |
| 300 | We already had a relationship | 我们已经有关系了 |
| 301 | So regardless of my ask | 所以不管我问什么 |
| 302 | He or she they knew my personality. | 他们知道我的个性 |
| 303 | They knew that I care | 他们知道我在乎 |
| 304 | Now as as the US ambassador to United Nations and as any ambassador you have to remember | 现在,作为美国驻联合国大使, 作为任何大使,你必须记住 |
| 305 | That the president is elected | 总统当选 |
| 306 | other people | 其他人员 |
| 307 | US ambassador, how many votes do you think? | 美国大使 你觉得有多少票? |
| 308 | He or she gets | 他或她得到 |
| 309 | zero | 无 |
| 310 | So we are there. | 我们到了 |
| 311 | We are appointed to execute the president's policy | 我们受命执行总统的政策 |
| 312 | We are appointed because the people that he's elected by | 我们的任命是因为他选举的人 |
| 313 | Ask him to set the mandate for domestic and foreign policy | 请他为国内外政策规定任务 |
| 314 | And I think the way that you articulate your policy matters far more at times than the policy because there are some tough | 我认为你阐述政策的方式 有时比政策更重要 因为有些困难 |
| 315 | Tough questions. | 难问. |
| 316 | There are some tough | 这里有些硬汉 |
| 317 | Responses | 答复 |
| 318 | And what you do is you sit back you take those to the president as I did especially during USMCA every day and | 你要做的是坐回去 把这些拿给总统 就像我每天在USMCA期间所做的那样 |
| 319 | You have a discussion and while I may feel differently | 你有一个讨论 而我可能感觉不同 |
| 320 | You're very very honest you discuss your differences. | 你很诚实,你讨论你的分歧。 |
| 321 | But remember you are serving | 但记住你在服务 |
| 322 | at the pleasure of the president and that is why | 总统的荣幸,这就是为什么 |
| 323 | During when there is a newly elected president | 在新当选的总统任职期间 |
| 324 | Even if it's the same party, we all have to submit our resignations at midnight of | 就算是同一个派对 我们都得在午夜递交辞呈 |
| 325 | the election of the election night and | 选举之夜 |
| 326 | That is why it is at the pleasure of the president that he or she will either they bring in their own appointees because | 因此,总统很高兴,他或她将带来他们自己的任命,因为 |
| 327 | With every president they are executing their own policy | 每位总统都执行自己的政策 |
| 328 | So they're just the way that I conducted myself was more of a I'm from the south | 所以他们只是我表现自己的方式 更像是我来自南方 |
| 329 | So I use that southern hospitality and that's listening | 所以,我用南方的款待,这是在听 |
| 330 | You know how I'm sure those of you grew up with your parents to say, you know | 你知道,我敢肯定,你们这些长大 与你的父母说,你知道 |
| 331 | Just listen and don't speak until you're spoken to | 你听好了 说话之前不要说话 |
| 332 | It's amazing what you can do when you sit across from a head of state who you know is not our ally | 当你坐在国家元首的对面时,你会做什么是惊人的,你知道他不是我们的盟友 |
| 333 | And he starts talking to you because you're listening | 他开始跟你说话是因为你在听 |
| 334 | The more you listen the more they're gonna tell you things the more I could go back to your office and report what I knew | 你听得越多 他们就越会告诉你 我就越能回到你的办公室 报告我所知道的 |
| 335 | So I find that that is the number one skill and you know, that is the toughest skill for people in our position | 所以,我发现,这是第一 技能,你知道, 这是最艰难的技能 对于我们的位置的人 |
| 336 | sometimes to grasp because we're there as | 有时会抓住,因为我们在那里 |
| 337 | America | 美国 |
| 338 | We're there as the strong leader | 我们是坚强的领袖 |
| 339 | So the way you disarm those other people is you start listening | 所以,你解除别人武装的方式 就是开始倾听 |
| 340 | That's how I conducted and I tell I still conduct myself every day | 这就是我的操练,我告诉 我仍然每天操自己 |
| 341 | Ambassador Reyes, I'm sure that rings true for your experience and another threat in your careers | 雷耶斯大使,我敢肯定,这是正确的 你的经验和你职业生涯中的另一个威胁 |
| 342 | How you have spent time making sure people outside have a voice inside the room | 你如何花时间确保外面的人 有声音在房间里 |
| 343 | Talk to us about your approach to leadership and the career that you've had that has | 跟我们谈谈你对领导的态度 还有你曾经的事业 |
| 344 | Culminated and as an ambassadorship, but has really spent time | 沉迷于并担任大使,但确实花费了时间 |
| 345 | Bringing people together and having other people's voices heard. | 将人们聚集在一起,让其他人的声音被听到. |
| 346 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 347 | Well, thank you | 谢谢 |
| 348 | Yeah, thank you all for spending a Tuesday with us. | 是啊,谢谢大家 与我们共度星期二。 |
| 349 | I encourage you to come to our study groups | 我鼓励你来参加我们的学习小组 |
| 350 | You know acknowledge my husband was here. | 你知道,承认我丈夫在这里。 |
| 351 | Dr. Tariq Samad | 塔里克·萨马德博士 |
| 352 | He doesn't come to most of my things. | 他不来我的东西。 |
| 353 | I'm just really happy to have | 我只是很高兴有 |
| 354 | Came back he was a faculty here at Harvard. | 回来后他还是哈佛大学的教员 |
| 355 | So look, you know, I've always embraced a nonlinear trajectory | 所以,你看,你知道, 我总是拥抱一个非线性轨道 |
| 356 | I really believe that that's very important | 我真的相信这很重要 |
| 357 | I went from local government as deputy mayor deputy chief of staff to the mayor of Los Angeles | 我从当地政府出任副市长 副总参谋长到洛杉矶市长 |
| 358 | But I actually started in the field office of a city council member and I encourage everybody to start there | 但我从市议员的办公室开始 我鼓励大家从那里开始 |
| 359 | Because I would answer the phone calls when people needed their potholes fixed their trash picked and their streets paved and that's | 因为我会接电话 当人们需要他们的坑洞 修复他们的垃圾 和他们的街道铺面,这就是 |
| 360 | Transformational because that's real democracy | 转型 因为那是真正的民主 |
| 361 | Because we people who are elected to office are elected because they're supposed to carry out people's missions and visions and goals and | 因为我们被选上任的人是被选上任的,因为他们应该执行人民的使命,愿景和目标, |
| 362 | And that's where the rubber meets the road in local government | 橡胶在地方政府与道路相遇的地方 |
| 363 | And so I saw there how effective government can be and should be for everyday citizens | 因此,我看到了政府能够和应该对日常公民 有多有效 |
| 364 | And even when I was an ambassador in Zagreb, I carried that with me | 即使我在萨格勒布当大使时,我也带着它 |
| 365 | I was always asking myself who am I here to serve and how can I serve best? | 我总是问自己我在这里为谁服务,我怎样才能更好地服务? |
| 366 | So I think that's very important | 所以我觉得这很重要 |
| 367 | I think everybody here in this room wants to serve but you can serve from everywhere from local government where I started and I | 我想这间屋子里的每个人都想服务 但你可以从我开始的地方 从任何地方服务 |
| 368 | Went to private sector where I affected change you heard earlier, you know | 去了私营部门,我在那里影响了变化 你之前听到的,你知道的 |
| 369 | 我创建了帮助创建 Aspen Institute Mexico Aspen Institute Latino Society的墨西哥阿斯彭研究所 | |
| 370 | So you see where you can make a difference and do it from the private sector | 所以,你看哪里可以有所作为 从私营部门做 |
| 371 | And then I went to the nonprofit world and you talked about representation. | 然后,我去了非营利的世界, 你谈到代表。 |
| 372 | I do believe in representation America believes in representation | 我相信代表 美国相信代表 |
| 373 | We are a representative democracy and so we need every voice in the room and I'm not talking only about ethnicity or female or male | 我们是一个代议制的民主国家,所以我们需要 每一个声音在房间里,我谈论的不仅仅是种族或女性或男性 |
| 374 | I'm talking about political diversity as well because that's what makes America strong | 我说的是政治多样性 也因为这样美国才会强大 |
| 375 | And so, you know, I also believe in being uncomfortable getting comfortable with the uncomfortable, you know | 所以,你知道,我也相信 不舒服 变得舒适 与不舒服,你知道, |
| 376 | My trajectory has all been uncomfortable. | 我的轨迹都不舒服 |
| 377 | It's easier to talk to a Democrat than it is to talk for Republican. | 与民主党人交谈比为共和党人交谈容易. |
| 378 | But guess what? | 但你知道吗? |
| 379 | We need now more than ever to talk to Republicans and and or the other | 我们现在比以往更需要和共和党人谈谈 或者其他的 |
| 380 | Republican or Democrat and get to know each other become friends create better policies. | 共和党或民主党人并开始互相了解成为朋友,创造出更好的政策. |
| 381 | That's what America was all about | 美国就是这样 |
| 382 | We used to sit in disagreement and be uncomfortable that disagreement and be able to come out of the room with better policies | 我们经常坐着不和 觉得不自在 并且能够拿出更好的政策 |
| 383 | So I encourage you and in my study group. | 所以我鼓励你和我的学习小组。 |
| 384 | That's what we're gonna be covering | 这就是我们要覆盖 |
| 385 | We're gonna be covering embracing a knowledge trajectory and what that looks like | 我们要去覆盖 拥抱一个知识轨迹 是什么样子 |
| 386 | We're gonna be covering getting comfortable with the uncomfortable and how that manifests itself as well as principal leadership | 我们要去覆盖 变得舒适 不舒服 如何表现自己 以及主要领导 |
| 387 | Having values core if values that you believe in that carries you throughout your career. | 拥有价值核心 如果你相信的价值 让你在整个职业生涯。 |
| 388 | So, thank you | 谢谢 |
| 389 | With whom it's easier to | 跟谁比较容易 |
| 390 | To speak I know but you know, I encourage I | 说起来我知道 但我鼓励我 |
| 391 | Encourage everybody to speak to even the polar. | 鼓励大家对极地说话 |
| 392 | I mean again, I mean, let's not get into politics here | 再说一遍,我们不要参政 |
| 393 | But you know at times it's even hard to sit down with people who are too far to the left | 但你知道,有时甚至很难 与那些离左边太远的人坐下来 |
| 394 | Right. | 对 |
| 395 | And so I think that I think that I think that we should be able to to talk to everybody | 所以我认为,我认为,我认为 我们应该能够与每个人交谈 |
| 396 | Far to the left far to the right so that we can come to the center and work for what's best for America | 远在左 远在右 这样我们就可以来到中心 努力为美国好 |
| 397 | That's really looks like you wanted to say something there | 看来你好像想说点什么 |
| 398 | No, I mean I think look in in in this polarized moment with a polarized media with everybody getting their news from | 不,我的意思是,我觉得在这个两极分化的瞬间, 看着一个两极分化的媒体 |
| 399 | Tik Tok和Instagram 和人们退到角落 | |
| 400 | I mean, I think I think Natalie's right and I think this cohort up on stage | 我觉得娜塔莉是对的 我觉得这群人在舞台上 |
| 401 | I mean, we've only been together for a week. | 我的意思是,我们只在一起一个星期。 |
| 402 | Yeah, we've had so much fun together | 是啊,我们在一起很开心 |
| 403 | I mean just you know, and we're like we're like wandering around different dining halls. | 我的意思是,只是你知道, 而我们就像我们 游荡在不同餐厅。 |
| 404 | We are like taking tours | 我们就像旅行 |
| 405 | We're going and and I think this cohort itself. | 我们要去,我想这群人自己。 |
| 406 | It's a perfect microcosm of what we should be doing everywhere | 这是一个完美的缩影 我们在哪里应该做什么 |
| 407 | Governor Ducey, how do you think about working across the aisle? | 杜塞州长,你觉得在过道上工作怎么样? |
| 408 | With people from different parties. | 和来自不同党派的人在一起 |
| 409 | I mean you were a governor one of things that governors are doubling down on now some of them | 我的意思是,你是一个州长之一 事情的州长 翻倍 现在一些他们 |
| 410 | They were just we had the executive committee of the NGA here at the Kennedy School this week | 他们只是我们让NGA的执行委员会 本周在肯尼迪学校 |
| 411 | Really talking about bipartisan work together to solve problems. | 真正谈论两党合作解决问题. |
| 412 | Well, Arizona is a good example | 亚利桑那州是个好例子 |
| 413 | I believe for many reasons were 34% Republican | 我相信有很多原因 共和党占34% |
| 414 | 33% Democrat and 33% | 33% 民主党和33% |
| 415 | Independent with the independent affiliation being the fastest growing | 独立联系是增长最快的 |
| 416 | So you're only going to be able to get your agenda enacted if you can persuade | 所以,只有你能说服我, 你才能制定你的议程 |
| 417 | with the | 与 |
| 418 | independence in this environment Republicans vote | 共和党人投票 |
| 419 | are and Democrats vote D but independents are up for grabs and | 民主党人投票支持D 但独立派要抓他们 |
| 420 | As governor to reach across the aisle oftentimes in politics | 做州长时常走过过道 |
| 421 | It's folks on your own side that become your biggest adversaries or for whatever reason | 是站在你这边的人 成为你最大的对手 或出于什么原因 |
| 422 | Become a rock in your shoe or want to get a lot of press by putting their thumb in the governor's eye | 成为你鞋里的石头 或者想得到很多媒体 通过把他们的拇指 在州长的眼睛 |
| 423 | So when you have a pragmatic | 所以,当你有一个务实的 |
| 424 | Democrat on the left that you can work with to make majorities | 左手边的民主党人,你可以和他们合作 争取多数 |
| 425 | You're going to do that because as I said though, the the campaign is over the elections been won and | 你会这么做的 因为正如我所说 竞选已经结束了 |
| 426 | Really? | 真的吗? |
| 427 | You haven't done anything except | 你没有做任何事情 除了 |
| 428 | given an inauguration address | 提供就职地址 |
| 429 | Everything is to be determined and you want to enact your agenda and you want to be action oriented in doing that | 所有事情都要有决心,你想要制定自己的议程,你想要在这样做时注重行动 |
| 430 | Well, you mentioned politics and a rock in the shoes | 嗯,你提到政治 和石头在鞋 |
| 431 | So let me ask you about Trump this week telling voters to treat the midterms as if he is on the ballot | 让我问问特朗普这个星期的情况 告诉选民把中期结果当选票上的人看 |
| 432 | Is that the right strategy for Republicans? | 这是共和党人正确的策略吗? |
| 433 | Midterms are always tough for the party in power and this is is every year on the year except for I think | 对执政的政党来说,中期任期总是很艰难,每年都是这样,除了我想 |
| 434 | 2002 as a unique result of | 2002年,作为2002年 |
| 435 | 9-eleven we see where the polls are we see which way the wind is blowing | 9,即使我们看到民意调查在哪里 也看到风向在吹 |
| 436 | I do think what's interesting about this strategy is | 我觉得这个策略很有趣 |
| 437 | Trump brought out a cohort that we had not seen | 特朗普带来了我们没见过的一群人 |
| 438 | in 2016 and | 2016年和 |
| 439 | Basically shocked the world in the primary and the general that cohort only | 基本上,震惊世界 在初级和将军只 组 |
| 440 | Comes out when Donald Trump's name is on the ballot. | 当唐纳德·特朗普的名字出现在选票上时就会出来. |
| 441 | He does have a war chest | 他确实有战胸 |
| 442 | I don't know that he'll be able to effectively communicate this to the MAGA base | 我不知道他能不能有效地把这个传达给MAGA基地 |
| 443 | But if he does there may be some real surprises | 但是如果他这样做, 可能有一些真正的惊喜 |
| 444 | on Tuesday night in November, but it to date | 11月的星期二晚上 但至今为止 |
| 445 | If Donald Trump is not on the ballot those folks have not been showing up in large numbers | 如果唐纳德·特朗普没有在选票上,那么这些人并没有大量出现. |
| 446 | Mr. Mayorkas. | 马约卡斯先生 |
| 447 | Yeah, please | 是的,请 |
| 448 | On something that the governor said earlier that I think is very important | 州长刚才说,我觉得很重要 |
| 449 | Which is there's a very big difference between | 区别很大 |
| 450 | politics and governing | 政治与治理 |
| 451 | and he said, you know when the race is one and it's about governing and drawing people together in the service of policies, I | 他说,你知道 当比赛是一场, 它是关于管理和吸引人们 一起为政策服务,我 |
| 452 | Emphasize that point to my right | 强调这一点我的权利 |
| 453 | Phyllis coven with whom I had the pleasure of working for a quite a number of years | 菲丽丝,我有幸与她共事多年 |
| 454 | in in federal service | 联邦公务员 |
| 455 | One thing about governing that one has to keep in mind | 管好这个必须记住 |
| 456 | However, rough and tumble the landscape might be is one can really make people's lives better | 不过,这里的风景可能很崎岖 让人的生活变得更好 |
| 457 | I think of Phyllis in that regard given her work in the in the context of asylum and refugee | 我认为Phyllis在这方面,因为她在庇护和难民方面的工作 |
| 458 | Processing and and and living up to our country's ideals as a place of refuge for those in flight | 处理和遵守我国的理想,作为逃亡者的避难所 |
| 459 | one can | 一个可以 |
| 460 | impact one individual's life and that can be a transformative event for them and for oneself and | 影响一个人的生活, 这可能是一个变革事件 他们和自己, |
| 461 | One can also achieve a position | 也可以达到一个位置 |
| 462 | Where one can make a decision that impacts hundreds of thousands of lives if not millions | 在那里,人们可以做出影响成千上万人的生命的决定,即使不是数百万人 |
| 463 | And so however rough and tumble it might be and I've gone through rough and tumble. | 所以不管它多么粗糙和弯曲 我经历了粗糙和弯曲 |
| 464 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 465 | Wouldn't trade it for anything | 不会用它换取任何东西 |
| 466 | Before we get to one other rough and tumble question | 在问到另一个难题之前 |
| 467 | I want to let everybody know that we're gonna take your questions and we'd love to hear from you | 我想让大家知道 我们要接受你的问题 我们想听听你的意见 |
| 468 | So we have some mics you down here and two up on the second level | 所以,我们有一些麦克风 你在这里和两个在第二层 |
| 469 | So if you want to make your way to the mics, we'll take some questions in just a minute | 如果你想去麦克风,我们马上问几个问题 |
| 470 | Rough and tumble | 粗糙又颠倒 |
| 471 | 2028 is on the horizon | 2028年即将到来 |
| 472 | We will be talking a lot about that after the midterms | 中考结束后,我们会谈论很多 |
| 473 | But you have Chris a piece out tomorrow in Vanity Fair on | 但你明天在《名利场》里 有克莉丝的作品 |
| 474 | 副总统JD Vance. | |
| 475 | That's correct. | 没错 |
| 476 | And can you give us a little bit of a you heard it first preview here? | 你能先给我们一点预览吗? |
| 477 | Sure | 当然 |
| 478 | sure, I spent six months on this piece and | 当然,我花了6个月在这篇文章上 |
| 479 | Trying to unravel the mystery of JD Vance | 试图解开万斯之谜 |
| 480 | I started at Yale Law School and and just sort of followed this extraordinary journey that he's taken from | 我从耶鲁法学院开始, 并且只是某种程度上 遵循这个非凡的旅程 他从 |
| 481 | Hillbilly | 乡巴佬 |
| 482 | Really out of his element at Yale | 在耶鲁大学真的出问题了 |
| 483 | He tried to quit he almost dropped out something like 50 times | 他想戒烟,差点退学50次 |
| 484 | It was a challenge at first because nobody at Yale wanted to talk about Vance | 一开始是个挑战 因为耶鲁大学没人想谈万斯 |
| 485 | It was politically radioactive and then I got my big break in the form of a woman named Amy Chua | 这是政治上的辐射,然后我得到了我的大突破 一个女人叫Amy Chua |
| 486 | Better known as the tiger mother | 最好叫老虎妈妈 |
| 487 | she wrote a book a fame of a bit a sensational book a kind of tough love school for | 她写了一本书 有点出名 有点耸人听闻的书 那种艰难的爱情学校 |
| 488 | Raising superstar children. | 抚养超级明星的孩子。 |
| 489 | Anyway, she became JD Vance's mentor and one of his closest friends | 总之,她成了万斯的导师 也是他最亲密的朋友之一 |
| 490 | Helped to really create the person we now know | 帮助真正创造了我们认识的人 |
| 491 | So there is one | 所以有一个 |
| 492 | One piece of reporting that may land in Washington with | 华盛顿有一份报告 |
| 493 | We'll see we'll see what the result is at the White House | 我们看看白宫的结果 |
| 494 | JD Vance insisted in 2016 that he could not bring himself to vote for Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton | JD Vance在2016年坚持自己不能投给唐纳德·特朗普或希拉里·克林顿. |
| 495 | He was voting for an independent. | 他当时投票支持独立人士. |
| 496 | What I am reporting tomorrow is that privately | 我明天的报导是... |
| 497 | He was working behind the scenes to with the Clinton campaign to get Hillary elected in | 他在幕后与克林顿竞选 争取希拉里当选 |
| 498 | 2016 so we'll see we'll see how the president reacts to that | 2016年,我们看看总统的反应 |
| 499 | We'll see how the principal reacts | 我们看看校长的反应 |
| 500 | We'll see what happens and and apologies if there is a paywall on the Vanity Fair piece | 如果在"名利场"的作品上有奖牌,我们会看看会发生什么和道歉 |
| 501 | I will have a long excerpt on my sub stack tomorrow. | 我明天会有长篇摘录 |
| 502 | There you go, which is launching | 你去那里,这是发射 |
| 503 | Coincidentally tomorrow, so I | 巧合的是,明天,所以我 |
| 504 | Encourage you to or you'll be standing here in the lobby. | 鼓励你,否则你会站在这里 在大厅。 |
| 505 | 对,就是PDF | |
| 506 | Okay | 还好 |
| 507 | Well, we will all we will all check that out in the morning. | 我们明天早上都会查清楚的 |
| 508 | We'd love to hear from you. | 我们很想听到你的消息 |
| 509 | So do we have any questions? | 有什么问题吗? |
| 510 | Anybody | 谁都行 |
| 511 | Can I just say something of course closure? | 我能说点什么吗? |
| 512 | Yeah, Chris was nice enough to inform me of this before | 是啊,克里斯是不错 之前告诉我这一点 |
| 513 | tomorrow morning | 明天早上,我会告诉你的 |
| 514 | And I start getting phone calls from JD himself | 我开始接到JD的电话 |
| 515 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 516 | Well prepared. | 准备好了 |
| 517 | Yes, please if you feel comfortable, please introduce yourself. | 是的 如果你觉得舒服 请自我介绍 |
| 518 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 519 | Hi everyone. | 大家好,你们好 |
| 520 | I'm Cy Griffith | 我叫西・格里菲斯 |
| 521 | I'm a freshman at the college from Missouri | 我是密苏里大学的新生 |
| 522 | And this one can be specifically for governor Ducey | 这个是杜塞州长专用的 |
| 523 | Anybody else would love to chime in | 其他人都想进来 |
| 524 | So I very much value state politics and in the past 20 30 years in Arizona | 我非常珍视州政治 过去20年在亚利桑那州 |
| 525 | We've seen a shift | 我们已经看到一个转变 |
| 526 | From kind of more of a hardline red state to more of a swing state when in Missouri | 在密苏里州从硬线红色状态到摇摆状态 |
| 527 | We've really seen the opposite and I know that there are differences in demographics | 我们真的看到了相反的情况 我知道在人口统计上有差异 |
| 528 | And so it's a really complicated issue | 所以这是一个非常复杂的问题 |
| 529 | But you talked specifically about how important state governing is and how different politics is from governing | 但你具体谈到国家治理的重要性 以及政治与治理的不同 |
| 530 | And how governing your job is bringing people closer together? | 如何管理你的工作 使人们更紧密地在一起? |
| 531 | So how would you say in states that have become honestly more radicalized? | 那么,你怎么能说在那些 已经变得更加激进的州呢? |
| 532 | how what is the role of | 如何发挥 |
| 533 | Politics and governors in bringing those states closer together | 使各州更加紧密的政治和州长 |
| 534 | In your first name again, Cy, so I thank you excellent question | 再说一遍,塞,谢谢你的好问 |
| 535 | And I do think this idea of federalism is the the path forward, you know | 我确实认为这个联邦主义的想法 是前进的道路,你知道的 |
| 536 | Every four years we're trying to elect the next king in Washington DC and thinking that's going to solve all of our problems | 每四年我们试图选出华盛顿的下一任国王 认为这能解决我们所有的问题 |
| 537 | But I like the Lewis Brandeis model a little bit more the states are laboratories of democracy | 但我更喜欢Lewis Brandeis的模型 各州是民主的实验室 |
| 538 | and let the states compete and | 让各州互相竞争 |
| 539 | I think one of the bigger concerns is | 我认为一个更大的关切是 |
| 540 | 43 of these states is pretty much baked red or blue | 其中43个州的烤红或蓝 |
| 541 | Right now and they're not really competitive and I think you see better governance in the states where it is competitive | 现在,他们并不真正具有竞争力, 我想你可以看到更好的治理 在那些有竞争力的州 |
| 542 | and | 和 |
| 543 | Arizona is known as a swing state today and it is at the same time | 亚利桑那州被称为今天的摇摆州 它同时存在 |
| 544 | I'd point out that I won by double digits in 2018 | 2018年我以两位数获胜 |
| 545 | Donald Trump won by six and a half in | 唐纳德·特朗普以6比5获胜 |
| 546 | 2024 and Joe Biden | 2024年和乔·拜登 |
| 547 | won in 2020 | 于2020年获得 |
| 548 | Janet Apoletano | 珍妮特·阿波莱塔诺 |
| 549 | Democrat governor of the state one as well. | 民主党州长州一也. |
| 550 | It's a competitive state and the candidate matters | 这是一个竞争的状态 和候选人事务 |
| 551 | that campaign | 那个运动 |
| 552 | Matters, it's not just about winning the primary and then you coast into the general election | 重要的是,这不仅仅是 赢得小学,然后你海岸 进入大选 |
| 553 | It's a battle the entire way | 整个过程都是一场战斗 |
| 554 | Part of the reason I don't think we'll have some kind of huge wave election as we have had in yesteryear | 部分原因,我不认为我们会有 某种巨大的浪潮选举 像我们在过去的一年。 |
| 555 | Is there just aren't that many competitive districts? | 难道没有那么多有竞争力的地区吗? |
| 556 | Anymore there aren't that many that are up for grabs | 现在没有那么多人可以抢了 |
| 557 | We'll probably have to measure any type of wave through what happens in the United States Senate | 我们可能要测量美国参议院的风波 |
| 558 | But I do think the governor and the legislature are closer to the people | 但我确实认为州长和立法机构更接近人民 |
| 559 | I think the government that governs best is the one that is closer to the individual and I think if we had Washington DC | 我认为最好的政府 是一个更接近个人, 我认为如果我们有华盛顿 |
| 560 | Which is trying to do way too much and doing most of it poorly | 这实在是太过分了, 做大部分不好 |
| 561 | Offloading that to the states along with the dollars and without strings attached you'd have better people running for these offices | 把它和美元一起装到州里 并且没有附加条件 你就会有更好的人去竞选这些职位 |
| 562 | Making better decisions and having more civic involvement and engagement | 作出更好的决定,并让更多的公民参与和参与 |
| 563 | Thank you so much. | 非常感谢 |
| 564 | I hope to look forward to working with you soon | 希望很快能和你们合作 |
| 565 | Thank you you too side any other questions. | 感谢你们,还有别的问题 |
| 566 | Yes, please. | 是的,谢谢。 |
| 567 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 568 | Hi everyone. | 大家好,你们好 |
| 569 | Thank you so much for being here | 谢谢你来 |
| 570 | My name is Hannah Tremarkey. | 我叫汉娜·特雷马尔基 |
| 571 | I'm a first-year | 我是第一年 |
| 572 | MPP candidate here at the Kennedy School | 肯尼迪学校的MPP候选人 |
| 573 | I wanted to ask actually about something sir. | 我想问点事 |
| 574 | Mr. Whipple that you touched on at the beginning which has to do with | Whipple先生,你接触 在一开始,这与 |
| 575 | The way folks in some ways abdicate their responsibilities when it comes to leadership or governance | 在领导或治理方面,人们在某些方面放弃责任的方式 |
| 576 | I think a lot of our norms right now when it comes to governance are being tested and in part | 我认为,我们很多规范 现在,当涉及到治理 正在测试和部分 |
| 577 | That's because folks are abdicating their responsibilities | 那是因为人们放弃了责任 |
| 578 | How do you lead when others around you are breaking those norms and are abdicating what may be their formal or informal? | 当周围的人违反这些规范,放弃什么可能是正式的或非正式的,你如何领导? |
| 579 | responsibilities I | 职责一 |
| 580 | Think I don't know. | 我觉得我不知道。 |
| 581 | It's a it's a difficult time that we're going through | 这是一个困难的时刻 我们经历 |
| 582 | Obviously, and I think we're also discovering that what a lot of us thought were laws turned out to be norms | 显然,我想我们也发现 我们很多人认为法律是规范 |
| 583 | But I think that the only real antidote to that | 但我认为 唯一的真正的解药 |
| 584 | is to lead and to and to set and just and to try to set the example of | 领导、促成、确立和公正,并努力树立榜样, |
| 585 | leadership that wants to be challenged that wants to | 希望受到挑战的领导层 |
| 586 | wants to be told hard truths, and I think I don't know any other way to | 想知道真相 我想我不知道其他办法 |
| 587 | to instill that | 来灌输 |
| 588 | except by example, so | 除了举个例子 |
| 589 | Look this, you know, we go through these periods where where we have | 你看,你知道,我们经历 这些时期,我们有 |
| 590 | leadership that does not | 领导者没有 |
| 591 | Operate, you know, Chris Lewis been saying this the same thing making the same point where we don't have that kind of governance | 克里斯·刘易斯也这么说 说我们没有这种治理 |
| 592 | But we usually get through them and and the pendulum swings and I think that I | 但我们通常会穿透它们 和笔鼓摇摆 |
| 593 | do think that | 认为 |
| 594 | The Republicans are heading for a shellacking as Barack Obama put it | 共和党人正按照巴拉克·奥巴马的说法 进行炮击 |
| 595 | in about a month and and things will start to change so | 一个月后 事情就会开始改变 |
| 596 | I think all you can do is is is work toward that | 我想你能做的就是努力去争取 |
| 597 | But may I add yeah how one leads by leading and | 但我可以补充一下 是的,一个领导和 |
| 598 | One may be leading | 一个人可能领先 |
| 599 | under certain constraints | 在某些限制下 |
| 600 | One has a commander-in-chief | 一个有总司令 |
| 601 | But one leads within the bounds of those constraints and those constraints might not | 但是,在这些限制的限度内,人们会发现,这些限制可能不是 |
| 602 | encompass | 包含 |
| 603 | Everything that falls within one's purview | 属于自己职权范围的一切 |
| 604 | And so there were certain issues, of course that grip the headlines | 因此,有些问题,当然是头条新闻 |
| 605 | in each of our | 我们每个人 |
| 606 | respective roles and responsibilities | 各自的作用和责任 |
| 607 | But there was a lot that the public didn't the broader public did not necessarily read about where we were having tremendous impact | 但很多公众没有看到 更多的公众 不一定读到 我们在哪里产生巨大影响 |
| 608 | So how how well known is it that the Department of Homeland Security? | 国土安全部有多为人所知? |
| 609 | Identified as a sixth departmental priority to fight against online child sexual exploitation and abuse | 将打击网上儿童性剥削和性虐待确定为第六个部门优先事项 |
| 610 | How much does everyone know that that is a pandemic that is not receiving enough national attention? | 众所周知,这种流行病没有得到足够的国家关注的程度有多大? |
| 611 | 80 million images of children online just last year | 去年刚上线的8000万张照片 |
| 612 | One can really do a lot of good a lot of great | 一个人真的可以做很多好事 做很多好事 |
| 613 | By leading a workforce to focus at least in part on that mission | 领导一支工作人员队伍,至少把部分精力集中在这一任务上 |
| 614 | Free of constraints and it doesn't necessarily grip the headline, but one is changing lives | 没有限制,它不一定抓住头条, 但一个人正在改变生活 |
| 615 | You know, I I look at leadership as empowering those people around you. | 你知道,我把领导力看作是 赋予你周围的人权力。 |
| 616 | Mm-hmm. | 对 |
| 617 | So I found | 所以我发现 |
| 618 | When I would empower the smartest and the brightest | 当我赋予最聪明最聪明的 |
| 619 | civil service | 公务员制度 |
| 620 | When I empowered by foreign service officers, then they knew that they had a leader | 当我被外事官员授权时 他们知道自己有头目 |
| 621 | Because I believed in them | 因为我相信他们 |
| 622 | They may not have agreed with me, but because I did empower them and I did listen to the differences | 他们可能不同意我的看法,但因为我确实赋予了他们权力,我确实倾听了分歧 |
| 623 | Then they looked at me as a leader | 然后他们把我当领袖看 |
| 624 | They would come to me as a leader because they knew that I would | 他们会以领袖的身份来找我 因为他们知道我会 |
| 625 | Be calm listen to you know how they disagreed which happened frequently at the United Nations | 冷静地听,你知道,他们是如何不同意 经常发生在联合国的事情 |
| 626 | But I think it's empowering those people around you and never ever discount your chief of staff | 但我认为这能增强你身边的人的能力 永远不要低估你的参谋长 |
| 627 | the people that might be | 人民,也许 |
| 628 | Not the head of state or not the ambassador | 不是国家元首也不是大使 |
| 629 | Because it's those people that are with them that make it work. | 因为正是那些和他们在一起的人 才让它成功 |
| 630 | And that's the way that I conducted my leadership skills | 这也是我运用领导才能的方式 |
| 631 | That's really so as you can tell this is an issue that is near and dear to all of us | 这真的让你知道 这个问题对我们所有人来说都近在眼前 |
| 632 | And so I will shamelessly plug all of our study groups | 所以我会无耻地插上我们所有的学习小组 |
| 633 | And while we have six different topics, you will see that this theme of leadership runs through everyone's study group | 尽管我们有六个不同的话题, 你会看到这个主题 领导贯穿每个人的研究小组 |
| 634 | And I think this is a wonderful opportunity | 我认为这是一个很好的机会 |
| 635 | Not just to learn from my colleagues | 不只是向同事学习 |
| 636 | But the people they're bringing in and I do think look I'll admit I've never read a leadership book in my entire life | 但他们带来的人 我确实会承认 我这辈子从未读过一本领导书 |
| 637 | I've learned to lead by watching other people lead and by forming my own set of values | 我学会了领导别人 领导和形成我自己的价值观 |
| 638 | Learning what is authentic to me? | 学习什么是真实的我? |
| 639 | I'm never going to be someone who's gonna | 我永远不会成为一个人 谁要去 |
| 640 | You know do command and control and scream at people. | 你知道有指挥控制 和尖叫的人。 |
| 641 | It's just not the way I lead | 这不是我领导的方式 |
| 642 | And and I think that's the most important thing you all can get out of this | 我想这是你们能摆脱的最重要的事情 |
| 643 | I mean, there's way too many classes taught here on the theory of leadership | 我的意思是,有很多课程在这里 教授领导理论 |
| 644 | But what does that actually look in practice? | 但实际上这看起来是什么? |
| 645 | What does that actually look like when you're dealing with a set of very bad options? | 当你面对一系列非常糟糕的抉择时,这实际上是什么样子? |
| 646 | When you're Doug Ducey and you're certifying election and the president's on the phone when you're dealing with a crisis of the border when you're dealing with | 当你是Doug Ducey,你正在认证选举 和总统的电话 当你在处理边境危机 当你在处理边境危机 |
| 647 | negotiations with an adversary | 与敌方谈判 |
| 648 | What what is your inner strength? | 你的内在力量是什么? |
| 649 | What are your values? | 你的价值观是什么? |
| 650 | What do you go back to? | 你回来干什么? |
| 651 | I think that's the real gift of these these study groups | 我想这是这些研究组真正的天赋 |
| 652 | So I'll just plug all of my colleagues | ┮и碞ри┮Τㄆ |
| 653 | And I'm actually looking forward to attending their study groups | 我其实很期待参加他们的学习小组 |
| 654 | Ambassador Reyes, do you want to jump in on this topic? | 雷耶斯大使 你想加入这个话题吗? |
| 655 | Look, I think that leadership is hard. | 听着,我认为领导是很难的。 |
| 656 | Yeah, I mean, let's be honest | 是啊,我的意思是,让我们说实话 |
| 657 | But you can lead from everywhere I mean, you know, we're talking about leading as ambassadors and secretaries | 但你可以从任何地方领头,我的意思是, 你知道,我们正在谈论领导 作为大使和秘书 |
| 658 | everybody can lead at different levels and | 每个人都可以领导 在不同层次和 |
| 659 | You know not everybody can be an ambassador and not everybody can be a secretary | 你知道不是每个人都可以当大使 也不是每个人都可以当秘书 |
| 660 | So I encourage you to just get out there and you know | 所以我鼓励你离开那里,你知道 |
| 661 | and I you know | 还有,你知道 |
| 662 | I was a I was a master's in public policy from UCLA and I remember getting out into the workforce and and | 我是加州大学洛杉矶分校公共政策专业的硕士 我记得我从工作队伍里出来 |
| 663 | Thinking well now I'm supposed to lead and how do I do that? | 思考良好,现在我应该领导 我如何做到这一点? |
| 664 | What was I learned the tools at the school of public policy? | 我在公共政策学院学到了什么工具? |
| 665 | Not really | 没有 |
| 666 | And so you just have to roll up your sleeves | 所以你只需要卷起你的袖子 |
| 667 | get a job and | 找个工作 |
| 668 | start leading and and you know to | 开始领先,你知道 |
| 669 | Ambassador Crass point like, you know, and then build a team around you and the team doesn't have to work for you | Crass point大使喜欢,你知道的, 然后建立一个团队 围绕你和团队 不必为你工作 |
| 670 | The team has to believe in you | 队伍必须相信你 |
| 671 | the team has to look at and say you are leader and you're gonna do this and so and create an | 团队必须看 并说你是领导者, 你会做到这一点, 所以创建 |
| 672 | Ecosystem around you that helps you lead. | 你周围的生态系统 帮助你领导。 |
| 673 | I really believe that it's it's it's you create your environment | 我真的相信这是你创造的环境 |
| 674 | You create your leadership capacity and you you you surround yourself with people that say you can do it from your husband | 你创造你的领导能力 你周围的人说你可以从你丈夫那里做到这一点 |
| 675 | To your friends to the network, so, you know, good luck to you. | 给网友,祝你好运 |
| 676 | Thank you a question up here. | 谢谢,我问你一个问题 |
| 677 | Hi | 顿 |
| 678 | Hi, Paula Moreno fellow YPR from Colombia Harvard Kennedy School executive program | 嗨, Paula Moreno, 来自哥伦比亚的YPR 哈佛肯尼迪学校执行方案 |
| 679 | First of all, thank you for being here. | 首先,谢谢你能来 |
| 680 | My question is simple as a business owner as a neighbor | 我的问题很简单 作为一个生意主作为一个邻居 |
| 681 | I would like to know what to expect in Venezuela | 我想知道在委内瑞拉能期望什么 |
| 682 | That's a million dollar question what to expect in Venezuela | 委内瑞拉有100万美元的问题 |
| 683 | I don't think anybody knows | 我想没有人知道 |
| 684 | Look, it's a complex issue of Venezuela | 你看,这是一个复杂的委内瑞拉问题 |
| 685 | You know Venezuelans are very hopeful but very nervous about what the future has in store | 委内瑞拉人对未来充满希望, |
| 686 | I want to thank Colombia for being a good neighbor to Venezuelans | 感谢哥伦比亚成为委内瑞拉的好邻居 |
| 687 | I think you have a lot of Venezuelans prospering in Colombia, you know, nine million Venezuelans have left Venezuela | 我认为你有很多委内瑞拉人 在哥伦比亚繁荣, 你知道,900万委内瑞拉人 离开了委内瑞拉 |
| 688 | mass exodus | 大规模流亡 |
| 689 | never in the world history have we seen nine million people leave their home country and | 我们从未见过900万人离开祖国 |
| 690 | Go other places | 去别的地方 |
| 691 | The situation is dire | 情况很糟 |
| 692 | Dire, I don't really want it. | 迪尔,我真的不想要它。 |
| 693 | I want to underscore that | 我要强调 |
| 694 | I mean not only did that, you know Maduro leave people are hungry. | 我的意思是,不仅这样做, 你知道马杜罗离开 人们饿了。 |
| 695 | They had back-to-back earthquakes | 他们连续发生地震 |
| 696 | and | 和 |
| 697 | And what's next for them? | 他们接下来会怎样? |
| 698 | Nobody knows | 没人知道 |
| 699 | what we're calling for what I'm urging is is | 我们要求我敦促的是 |
| 700 | Ensuring that we have elections fair and open elections as soon as possible so the Venezuelan people can choose their leader | 确保尽快举行公正和公开的选举,使委内瑞拉人民能够选择他们的领导人。 |
| 701 | This is not a democracy we're seeing today | 这不是我们今天看到的民主 |
| 702 | we're saying yes Maduro was removed, but it's the same infrastructure of | 我们说的是是的,马杜罗被移除了 但这是同样的基础设施 |
| 703 | Corruption of people that help Maduro who are now running the country. | 腐败帮助马杜罗的人 现在管理国家。 |
| 704 | So early | 这么早 |
| 705 | Elections are critical | 选举至关重要 |
| 706 | Ensuring that political prisoners are taken out of jail. | 确保政治犯获释。 |
| 707 | We still have 300 political prisoners in Venezuelan jails | 委内瑞拉监狱里还有300名政治犯 |
| 708 | They need to be immediately | 他们需要马上来 |
| 709 | Removed and brought back to their homes and you know, obviously we need investments | 被带回他们的家 你知道,我们显然需要投资 |
| 710 | But nobody's gonna invest in a country that's not democratic. | 但是没有人会投资 一个不民主的国家。 |
| 711 | I mean you're your business leader. | 我的意思是,你是你的商业领袖。 |
| 712 | Would you put your money there? | 你会把你的钱在那里? |
| 713 | No, I wouldn't either and so I think that the first thing is that we need to stabilize that government went to have | 不,我也不会,所以我认为第一件事是 我们需要稳定政府去有 |
| 714 | Fair and open elections I said and we need to give dignity to the Venezuelan people and that dignity comes through | 我说了公平、公开的选举 我们需要给委内瑞拉人民以尊严 尊严通过 |
| 715 | their vote | 他们的投票 |
| 716 | Thank you | 谢谢 |
| 717 | Justin. | 贾斯汀 |
| 718 | Hi everybody. | 大家好,你们好 |
| 719 | My name is Justin Dunning. | 我叫贾斯汀・邓宁 |
| 720 | I'm a junior at the college | 我是大学的初中生 |
| 721 | Chairman of the conservative coalition at the Institute of politics | 政治研究所保守联盟主席 |
| 722 | But my question for you all is in a little bit of a different sort | 但我对你们的问题 有点不同 |
| 723 | I've seen clips of some of you facing extreme | 我见过一些片段 你们面临极端 |
| 724 | Criticism in front of like ambassador Kraft | 在Kraft大使面前的批评 |
| 725 | I think of you in front of countries who may not want anything to do with us or secretary Mayorkas and congressional oversight meetings | 我当着那些不想和我们有任何关系的国家 或马约卡斯秘书和国会监督会议面前的面 |
| 726 | So on and so on but I guess I want to ask all of you like what is your why? | 诸如此类 但我想问你们为什么? |
| 727 | Why do you stay in public service? | 你为何要继续当公务员? |
| 728 | Why do you lead some of you don't have to do it? | 何必引领某甲不须行. |
| 729 | And we even see this with the Trump administration. | 我们甚至和特朗普政府一样 |
| 730 | A lot of them don't have to be there Mike money-wise | 很多人都不用去 迈克 钱 |
| 731 | So why do you stay in and what's your like driving force? | 那你为什么呆在这里 是什么样的驱动力? |
| 732 | Well, we don't do this for the money | 我们不是为了钱 |
| 733 | I mean, that's not what we're here. | 我的意思是,这不是我们在这里。 |
| 734 | I don't think we serve your country. | 我不认为我们为你们国家服务。 |
| 735 | You're here to serve the country | 你是来为国家服务的 |
| 736 | I mean you serve at the pleasure of in this case in federal government the pleasure of the president | 我的意思是,你为这个案子的快乐服务 在联邦政府 总统的快乐 |
| 737 | You know as | 笵 |
| 738 | Justin from Kentucky, right? | 肯塔基州的贾斯汀 对吧? |
| 739 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 740 | So as you know, my husband and I we serve young adults. | 如你所知,我和我丈夫都为年轻的成年人服务 |
| 741 | We have the Craft Academy | 我们有工艺学院 |
| 742 | so service | 所以服务 |
| 743 | Should be starting at home | 应该从家里开始 |
| 744 | You should start my parents started that idea of service very early on so was set by example | 你应该开始我父母 开始这种服务的想法 很早就,所以被树立了榜样 |
| 745 | We all have the capacity to serve | 我们都有能力服务 |
| 746 | Every one of us to serve one another to serve our families to serve our state | 我们每个人都互相服务,为家庭服务,为国家服务 |
| 747 | To serve our country and you know, you all are serving our country by being here | 为了为国家服务 你们知道,你们都在这里为国家服务 |
| 748 | By understanding free and fair elections democracy the importance of democracy the importance that then at the Venezuelans | 通过理解自由公平的选举民主 民主的重要性 以及当时委内瑞拉人的重要性 |
| 749 | See democracy the importance that the Iranian people see democracy | 伊朗人民看到民主的重要性 |
| 750 | So we have to show them about service and every day | 所以,我们必须让他们看到 关于服务和每一天 |
| 751 | Every day of my life I wake up and I'm going to say who do I serve today? | 我生命的每一天 我醒来,我要说,我今天为谁服务? |
| 752 | My husband and I talk about this every morning. | 我丈夫和我每天早上都谈这个 |
| 753 | Who are we serving? | 我们为谁服务? |
| 754 | What can we do to make their lives better today? | 我们今天能做些什么来改善他们的生活? |
| 755 | And that's the principle that we as you well know the Craft Academy. | 这也是我们所熟悉的工艺学院的原则。 |
| 756 | That's a principle we live from you know, Justin | 贾斯汀,这是我们生活的原则 |
| 757 | my parents | 我爸妈 |
| 758 | Brought my sister and me to this country. | 把我妹妹和我带到这个国家 |
| 759 | We fled as refugees from Cuba | 我们从古巴逃了出来 |
| 760 | Immediately after the communist takeover of that country. | 在共产主义接管这个国家之后, |
| 761 | My parents did not want to raise their children under a communist regime | 我父母不想在共产党政权下抚养孩子 |
| 762 | this country | 这个国家 |
| 763 | gave us opportunities we would never have otherwise had and | 给我们机会 我们永远不会有 否则, |
| 764 | I was driven to | 我被驱赶到 |
| 765 | give back and | 给回和 |
| 766 | services a way of | 服务方式 |
| 767 | Giving back to the country that has given us so much with all our with all the scrum of politics | 回到那个 给了我们这么多钱的国家 和我们所有的政治混乱 |
| 768 | Let's not ever forget that with the greatest country in the world and to | 让我们永远不要忘记 与世界上最伟大的国家 |
| 769 | Ambassador crafts very important point | 大使手艺非常重要 |
| 770 | When one has the opportunity to serve and impact others for good | 当有人有机会为他人服务并影响他人时 |
| 771 | One can take a lot and keep going | 一个人能承受很多 继续前进 |
| 772 | You know my story is much like Ali's my parents | 你知道我的故事就像阿里的父母一样 |
| 773 | emigrated from China through Taiwan | 从中国经台湾移民 |
| 774 | They were able to come to the United States because two religious schools gave them scholarships to attend college | 他们能来美国是因为两所宗教学校 给他们奖学金让他们上大学 |
| 775 | They were able to get married raise a family send both of their sons to Harvard Law School | 他们可以结婚养家 把他们的两个儿子送到哈佛法学院 |
| 776 | That's just not a story you can tell in any other country | 在别的国家你都说不出这个故事来 |
| 777 | My dad spent his career as a federal civil servant and he thought there was no better way to give back to the country | 我爸爸在联邦公务员的职业生涯里 认为没有更好的办法可以还给国家 |
| 778 | That had been so good to him than to serve in government | 对他来说比在政府任职还好 |
| 779 | And so it was really instilled in me this American dream made our family's life possible | 因此,它真的灌输给我 这个美国梦 使我们的家庭生活成为可能 |
| 780 | And so it was important for me to continue to make that dream possible for other people | 因此,重要的是,我继续 使这个梦想 可能给其他人 |
| 781 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 782 | Just love the fact that you pursued that dream, but remember the dream is different for every person | 只爱你追求那个梦 但记住这个梦对每个人都不同 |
| 783 | Yeah, so we must never gauge | 是啊,所以我们决不能衡量 |
| 784 | Well, your dream must have been up here. | 你的梦想一定在这里 |
| 785 | So your dream down here doesn't matter. | 所以你的梦想在这里不重要 |
| 786 | It matters. | 这很重要。 |
| 787 | Yeah | 对 |
| 788 | We have to help make certain that every | 我们必须确保每一个 |
| 789 | Person fulfills their dreams at whatever that may be like Chris and Ali were saying I came I | 一个人完成他们的梦想 无论可能是什么 像克里斯和阿里说,我来了 |
| 790 | Came to the United States from Venezuela. | 从委内瑞拉来到美国. |
| 791 | My parents brought us here when I was 9 years old | 我九岁时父母带我们来这 |
| 792 | I spoke not a word of English and was in fifth grade | 我没说英语,在五年级 |
| 793 | My mother had a 10th grade education my father the 12th grade education yet. | 我母亲接受过10年级的教育 父亲12年级的教育 |
| 794 | I became a United States ambassador | 我成了美国大使 |
| 795 | only in America | 只有在美国 |
| 796 | If you work hard you bring your dreams you you prosper and so for me services in my DNA | 如果你努力工作,你带来了你的梦想 你繁荣了,所以我服务在我的DNA中 |
| 797 | I will serve to the moment. | 我将服务到现在。 |
| 798 | I die. | 我会死的 |
| 799 | I think it's important and to to | 我认为这很重要,而且 |
| 800 | Kelly's point, you know and the my kids our kids see that right and they are also they also want to serve and | Kelly的观点,你知道,我的孩子 我们的孩子看到正确的,他们也是 他们也想服务, |
| 801 | And so big or small service is so important and it should be part part of everybody's DNA | 所以无论大小服务都很重要 应该是每个人DNA的一部分 |
| 802 | to make America great | 让美国成为伟大 |
| 803 | And to make our communities better. | 并使我们的社区变得更好。 |
| 804 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 805 | Love the country. | 热爱国家. |
| 806 | I love the state of Arizona, but my why was a little bit different. | 我爱亚利桑那州 但我为什么有点不同 |
| 807 | I | 一、导 言 |
| 808 | Governor can't get everything they want but they can get anything | 总督不能得到他们想要的一切 但他们可以得到任何东西 |
| 809 | They want I thought Arizona was underperforming. | 他们想让我以为亚利桑那表现不佳 |
| 810 | I grew up in Toledo, Ohio | 我在俄亥俄州托莱多长大 |
| 811 | My mom moved west and I went to school out there. | 我妈妈搬到了西边 我在那里上学 |
| 812 | I thought it was an incredible place to be out west | 我认为这是一个不可思议的地方 出西部 |
| 813 | And I didn't understand why we weren't getting these economic development things that were going to | 我不懂为什么我们得不到这些经济发展的东西 |
| 814 | California and Texas and Florida | 加利福尼亚州、德克萨斯州和佛罗里达州 |
| 815 | I didn't think the politicians were getting it done or communicating how welcoming and inviting | 我没想到政客们会这么做 也没有传达欢迎和邀请 |
| 816 | We were as a state and I really just wanted to have ball control and had ideas on | 我们作为一个州,我真的很想 有球控制,并有想法 |
| 817 | Why I wanted to be in in that office and that was a motivator for me | 为什么我想进那间办公室 对我来说是个诱饵 |
| 818 | The job was an adventure every day and eight years flew by and I'll be talking about | 这份工作每天都是一场冒险 飞了八年,我会说 |
| 819 | A lot of that in my study group on Wednesdays at 430 and I hope to have is you're preempting our next | 每周三4点30分在我的学习小组里 有很多这样的事 我希望有的是你在先发制人 |
| 820 | I want to go down the road here and | 我想走这条路 |
| 821 | Everybody talk about their study group and we have a lovely graphic that will come up and say what day your study group is in | 大家都在谈论他们的学习小组, 我们有一个可爱的图形, 它会上来 并告诉你的学习小组在什么日子 |
| 822 | And we encourage you all to please sign up for them and come so let me start with Chris | 我们鼓励你们都请为他们报名,让我从克里斯开始 |
| 823 | Tell us about your study group | 告诉我们你的学习小组 |
| 824 | Tuesdays at 4 o'clock usually I have a bunch of other people coming in on other dates as well | 周二四点,我还有一堆人来参加其他约会 |
| 825 | I'm talking we're going to be talking about all the president's men and women | 我说的就是总统的男男女女 |
| 826 | But three jobs in particular that I've studied over the years White House chief of staff | 但特别有三项工作 我研究了几年 白宫的幕僚长 |
| 827 | CIA director and | 中情局局长 |
| 828 | President the presidential campaign manager | 总统竞选经理 |
| 829 | I believe as you've heard me say before about White House chiefs that they all share | 我相信你之前听到我说过的 关于白宫酋长 他们都分享 |
| 830 | The most important duty for in every one of those roles | 这些角色中最重要的职责 |
| 831 | is being able to walk into the Oval Office, | 能够走进办公室, |
| 832 | close the door, and tell the President | 关上门,告诉总统 |
| 833 | what he sometimes doesn't wanna hear. | 他有时不想听的 |
| 834 | We'll be talking about that. | 我们会谈论这一点。 |
| 835 | We'll be talking about the difference | 我们来谈谈区别 |
| 836 | between allegiance to principles | 忠于原则之间 |
| 837 | and allegiance to principle. | 忠于原则 |
| 838 | And so I think that our groups, | 所以我认为我们的团体 |
| 839 | we're gonna have CIA directors, | 我们要请中情局的局长 |
| 840 | we're gonna have White House chiefs, | 我们要有白宫的首领, |
| 841 | we're going to have campaign managers, | 我们要请竞选经理 |
| 842 | and we'll also talk a little bit about journalism | 我们还会谈谈新闻 |
| 843 | and how to hold leaders to account. | 如何追究领导人的责任 |
| 844 | And I think we're gonna have a lot of fun. | 我想我们会玩得很开心 |
| 845 | Yeah, so if you're, | 是啊,所以如果你是这样, |
| 846 | I hope you'll join us. | 我希望你能加入我们 |
| 847 | Yeah, checking our website too. | 是啊,检查我们的网站了。 |
| 848 | We'll post every week the guests | 我们每周寄客人 |
| 849 | that are coming to the study group, | 他们将来到研究组, |
| 850 | so watch the space. | 注意空间 |
| 851 | Governor Ducey, you wanna give us another quick preview? | 杜塞州长,你想给我们再做一次预览吗? |
| 852 | Wednesdays at 4.30, I'm gonna be talking about | 星期三4点30分,我要说的是 |
| 853 | leading and governing, what it takes | 领导和治理,需要什么 |
| 854 | to leave the private sector and go into public life, | 离开私营部门,进入公共生活, |
| 855 | what really happens in a campaign, | 在竞选中到底发生了什么 |
| 856 | how you win the campaign and prioritize your time, | 如何赢得竞选 和优先时间, |
| 857 | if you are fortunate enough to win, | 如果你有幸能赢的话 |
| 858 | how you structure a government | 你如何组织一个政府 |
| 859 | and move a policy agenda forward. | 并推进政策议程。 |
| 860 | You get to hear a lot of famous people here at Harvard. | 你可以听到很多著名的人在这里 在哈佛。 |
| 861 | I'm gonna bring some people whose names you don't know yet, | 我要带一些你不知道的人来 |
| 862 | who I think are really subject matter experts, | 我认为谁是真正的主题专家, |
| 863 | the focus is always on the principal, | 重点总是主, |
| 864 | but any successful principal has an incredible team | 但任何成功的校长都有一个令人难以置信的团队 |
| 865 | around them that are subject matter experts | 围绕这些议题的专家 |
| 866 | on whether it's policy, elections, et cetera, | 关于它是否是政策,选举等, |
| 867 | and that'll be part of the study group as well, | 这也将成为研究小组的一部分, |
| 868 | and I hope to see you on Wednesdays. | 我希望能在星期三见到你。 |
| 869 | Thank you, Ambassador Liu? | 谢谢你,刘大使? |
| 870 | We're gonna be talking about leadership in practice, | 我们要在实际中谈论领导力, |
| 871 | and we're gonna be talking about | 而我们将谈论 |
| 872 | when policy and politics collide, | 当政策和政治冲突的时候, |
| 873 | when the values of your boss contradict your own values, | 当你老板的价值观与你的价值观相矛盾时, |
| 874 | what happens when you have to make compromises, | 当你不得不妥协时,会发生什么? |
| 875 | and we'll be doing that through the lens | 我们会通过镜头来做 |
| 876 | of really hard problems and people | 非常困难的问题和人 |
| 877 | who I'm gonna ask to be very introspective | 我将要求谁 非常内向 |
| 878 | of what they got right and what they get wrong. | 他们有对有错 |
| 879 | We'll be talking about things like Gaza, | 我们将谈论的东西 像加沙, |
| 880 | we'll be talking about healthcare, | 我们谈的是医疗 |
| 881 | we'll be talking about presidential transition, | 我们将谈论总统过渡, |
| 882 | so Thursdays at four o'clock. | 星期四四点 |
| 883 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 884 | Secretary Mayorkas? | 马约卡斯部长? |
| 885 | The Department of Homeland Security | 国土安全部 |
| 886 | interacts with the American public on a daily basis | 每天与美国公众互动 |
| 887 | more than any other department or agency | 超过任何其他部门或机构 |
| 888 | in the federal government. | 在联邦政府。 |
| 889 | We tackle some of the most critical issues of our day | 我们处理当今一些最关键的问题 |
| 890 | from mass migration to artificial intelligence, | 从大规模迁徙到人工智能, |
| 891 | to just day-to-day safety, to extreme weather events. | 仅是日常安全 极端天气事件 |
| 892 | We're gonna talk about the difficult policy choices, | 我们要谈谈困难的政策选择 |
| 893 | what leadership through crises means. | 领导通过危机意味着什么。 |
| 894 | We're gonna study real case examples. | 我们要研究真正的案例 |
| 895 | We're gonna bring in leaders who have served | 我们要把曾经服役的领导人带进来 |
| 896 | in different administrations who've dealt with these issues, | 处理过这些问题的行政部门 |
| 897 | and we're gonna learn about one another. | 我们要互相学习 |
| 898 | You're gonna learn about yourself, | 你会了解你自己的 |
| 899 | and I'm gonna learn from you. | 我会从你那里学到东西 |
| 900 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 901 | Thursdays at 430, I believe. | 星期四4点30分,我想 |
| 902 | Ambassador Kraft? | 克拉夫特大使吗? |
| 903 | My study groups are Tuesdays at four o'clock, | 我的学习小组是周二四点钟 |
| 904 | and I'm going to be bringing current. | 我将带来电流。 |
| 905 | So what is in the headlines today? | 今天的头条是什么? |
| 906 | AI. | 大赦国际。 |
| 907 | I'm going to be bringing in an AI expert | 我要请AI专家来 |
| 908 | who's actually the tip of the spear for the White House. | 谁是白宫的矛尖 |
| 909 | I'll be bringing in Joe Lonsdale, | 我会带乔・隆斯代尔来 |
| 910 | the co-founder of Palantir. | 帕兰蒂尔的联合创始人. |
| 911 | I'll also be bringing- | 我也会带 - |
| 912 | Don't preview all the names yet. | 先别预览所有名字 |
| 913 | Oh, okay, sorry. | 哦,好吧,对不起。 |
| 914 | It's a surprise. | 师惊曰. |
| 915 | So what I'm gonna be doing is bringing in speakers | 所以,我要做的是 带来扬声器 |
| 916 | that are current, a head of state, a vice president, | 现任总统 国家元首 副总统 |
| 917 | that are current so that we can hear, | 即时的,以便我们听到, |
| 918 | you can ask questions and know when you walk out, | 你可以问问题,知道 当你走出去, |
| 919 | I got that. | 我来 |
| 920 | There you go. | 给你。 |
| 921 | So I think that's important | 所以我觉得这很重要 |
| 922 | is to cover what's happening today. | 今天发生的事 |
| 923 | So if you see it on TV, if you see it in the press, | 所以,如果你在电视上看到它, 如果你看到它在新闻界, |
| 924 | I want you to bring it to me. | 我要你把它给我。 |
| 925 | It's happening at the IOP. | 它发生在IOP。 |
| 926 | There we go. | 开始了 |
| 927 | That's right, that's right. | 对,对. |
| 928 | Should I go next? | 接下来要我去吗? |
| 929 | Yes, please. | 是的,谢谢。 |
| 930 | So if you notice, we're competing with each other. | 所以,如果你注意到, 我们正在竞争对方。 |
| 931 | If you notice, Governor Ducey and I are at the same time. | 如果你注意到,杜塞州长和我同时 |
| 932 | I mean, I want to go see your study group, | 我想去看你的学习小组 |
| 933 | but it is what it is. | 但这是它是什么。 |
| 934 | You'll have to fill me in before. | 须先报我. |
| 935 | So I'm gonna talk about leading, | 所以我要谈谈领导 |
| 936 | leading in local government, in the nonprofit world, | 领导地方政府,在非营利世界, |
| 937 | in the private sector, in diplomacy, my lived experience. | 在私营部门,在外交领域,我的经验。 |
| 938 | And so I'm gonna bring leaders from all sectors | 所以我要请各部门的领导人 |
| 939 | to talk about that. | 谈谈这个。 |
| 940 | And so going back to embracing a nonlinear trajectory, | 所以回到一个非线性轨道 |
| 941 | embracing the uncomfortable and principle leadership. | 接受不舒服和原则性的领导。 |
| 942 | So my study group is on Wednesdays at four, | 所以我的学习小组是周三四点 |
| 943 | but keep an eye on my study groups | 但要注意我的学习小组 |
| 944 | because I have a lot of amazing speakers that are coming | 因为我有很多惊人的扬声器即将来临 |
| 945 | and they're gonna vary. | 他们会变的 |
| 946 | So week three, I think week four, | 所以第三个星期 我想第四个星期 |
| 947 | I have like three people coming. | 我有三个人来 |
| 948 | Yeah, so if you can't make one of the days, | 是啊,所以如果你不能 使一天, |
| 949 | just check because we may switch around a little bit. | 只是检查一下,因为我们可能 转过身来一点点。 |
| 950 | And the study groups, for those who haven't been before, | 和学习小组, 对于那些以前没有去过, |
| 951 | they're all off the record. | 他们全都被记录在案了 |
| 952 | So you really have the opportunity to engage with the guest | 你真的有机会和客人交往 |
| 953 | in the confidence of the room | 对会议室的信心 |
| 954 | and it's a really unique opportunity. | 这是一个非常独特的机会。 |
| 955 | So I encourage all of you to take advantage of that. | 因此,我鼓励大家利用这一点。 |
| 956 | So the bad news is we ran out of time for questions, | 坏消息是我们没时间提问了 |
| 957 | but the good news is we are all going to be at the reception. | 但好消息是 我们都要去招待会 |
| 958 | So you can come with your question to the reception | 所以,你可以带着你的问题 到招待会 |
| 959 | and we will answer them there. | 我们在那里会回答他们。 |
| 960 | If I could ask everybody to stay seated for just a minute | 如果我能请大家坐一会儿 |
| 961 | because our fellows need to get off of the stage | 因为我们的同伴需要离开舞台 |
| 962 | to do a quick photo before we join you in the reception, | 在和你们一起参加宴会之前 拍张快照 |
| 963 | but please joining me in thanking them | 但请和我一起感谢他们 |
| 964 | for being here tonight. | 因为今晚在这里。 |
| 965 | So. | 所以说 So. |
| 966 | Tinto. | 丁图. |
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