IMF总裁警告下一次全球冲击即将到来 | 2026.6.8
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| 0:01 | We collectively, including the fund, did not appreciate the backlash against globalization | 我们集体,包括基金在内,没有认识到对全球化的反弹。 |
| 0:10 | that came from the fact that, yes, the world economy is doing better as a whole, but many | 这是因为,是的,世界经济整体表现更好,但许多 |
| 0:18 | communities were hauled out because their jobs disappeared and there was not enough | 社区被拖走 因为他们的工作消失 并且还不够 |
| 0:24 | attention to them. | 注意他们。 |
| 0:26 | I'll tell you what I'm very keen not to see repeated is the same with artificial intelligence. | 告诉你,我非常渴望不看到重复 与人工智能是一样的。 |
| 0:33 | 我是Francine Lacroix 这位是领导者 探索什么驱动着 | |
| 0:38 | world's most influential people. | 世界最有影响力的人 |
| 0:40 | Be sure to follow and subscribe so you never miss an episode. | 一定要跟随和订阅 这样你就不会错过一集 |
| 0:44 | This week, I'm speaking to Kristalina Gurgeva, the managing director of the International | 本周,我和克里斯塔琳娜·古格瓦说话, 他的国际总裁 |
| 0:48 | Monetary Fund, one of the world's most influential global institutions. | 货币基金,世界最具影响力的全球机构之一. |
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| 1 | We collectively, including the fund, did not appreciate the backlash against globalization | 我们集体,包括基金在内,没有认识到对全球化的反弹。 |
| 2 | that came from the fact that, yes, the world economy is doing better as a whole, but many | 这是因为,是的,世界经济整体表现更好,但许多 |
| 3 | communities were hauled out because their jobs disappeared and there was not enough | 社区被拖走 因为他们的工作消失 并且还不够 |
| 4 | attention to them. | 注意他们。 |
| 5 | I'll tell you what I'm very keen not to see repeated is the same with artificial intelligence. | 告诉你,我非常渴望不看到重复 与人工智能是一样的。 |
| 6 | 我是Francine Lacroix 这位是领导者 探索什么驱动着 | |
| 7 | world's most influential people. | 世界最有影响力的人 |
| 8 | Be sure to follow and subscribe so you never miss an episode. | 一定要跟随和订阅 这样你就不会错过一集 |
| 9 | This week, I'm speaking to Kristalina Gurgeva, the managing director of the International | 本周,我和克里斯塔琳娜·古格瓦说话, 他的国际总裁 |
| 10 | Monetary Fund, one of the world's most influential global institutions. | 货币基金,世界最具影响力的全球机构之一. |
| 11 | The IMF is like a financial advisor and emergency lender for countries with a lending capacity | 货币基金组织是具有贷款能力国家的金融顾问和紧急贷款人。 |
| 12 | of just under one trillion dollars. | 不到一万亿美元。 |
| 13 | The fund helps governments manage economic problems, prevent crises and recover when | 该基金帮助政府管理经济问题,预防危机,并在 |
| 14 | things go wrong. | 事情不对劲 |
| 15 | Since taking the helm in 2019, Gurgeva has navigated one global crisis after another, | 自2019年掌舵以来,Gurgeva经历了一个接一个的全球危机, |
| 16 | from the COVID-19 pandemic to Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine and the latest conflict | 从COVID-19大流行到俄罗斯全面入侵乌克兰和最近的冲突 |
| 17 | in the Middle East. | 中东。 |
| 18 | Gurgeva is a person responsible for bringing together the IMF's member countries. | Gurgeva是负责召集货币基金组织成员国的人。 |
| 19 | So I wanted to understand what leadership looks like when success depends on consensus, | 所以我想知道当成功取决于共识时 领导力是什么样子的 |
| 20 | how she approaches difficult decisions and how the fund is thinking about some of the | 她如何对待困难的决定 以及基金如何思考一些 |
| 21 | world's most complex geopolitical challenges, including Russia. | 世界最复杂的地缘政治挑战,包括俄罗斯。 |
| 22 | MD, thank you so much for joining us on Leaders. | MD,非常感谢你加入我们的领袖。 |
| 23 | Now, institutions like the IMF live in this crossroad of politics, consensus and competing | 现在,像IMF这样的机构 生活在政治、共识和竞争的十字路口 |
| 24 | interests. | 权益。 |
| 25 | So how do you see it? | 那你觉得呢? |
| 26 | Is it a politician's job that you have or a leadership job? | 这是政治家的工作吗? |
| 27 | It is service to the membership. | 这是为会员服务。 |
| 28 | My job is to keep 191 countries together and get them focused on what is happening in the | 我的工作是让191个国家聚在一起, 让他们集中关注正在发生的事情。 |
| 29 | economy, why it matters to them and what they can do. | 经济,为什么对他们和他们能做什么都很重要。 |
| 30 | And I can tell you, it is not an easy job. | 我可以告诉你,这不是一个容易的工作。 |
| 31 | The world today is more complicated. | 当今世界更为复杂。 |
| 32 | There are tremendous transformations taking place. | 发生了巨大的变化。 |
| 33 | The desire to come together, especially when uncertainty is so high, is incredible. | 聚集在一起的愿望,特别是当不确定性如此高的时候,是不可思议的. |
| 34 | I mean, it's just a lot of people, right? | 我的意思是,这只是很多人,对不对? |
| 35 | If you have 190 people, is it all about compromise? | 如果你有190个人,那就是为了妥协吗? |
| 36 | How do you get people to talk to each other and actually agree on things? | 你如何让人们彼此交谈 并真正同意的事情? |
| 37 | The best ammunition we have is objective analysis so they can see where the world is headed. | 我们拥有的最好的弹药是客观的分析,以便他们能够看到世界的走向。 |
| 38 | When we do our job well, that is, when it is clearly a global public good, we have a | 当我们做好我们的工作,即当它显然是一种全球公益物时,我们有一个 |
| 39 | huge responsibility to say it as we see it. | 正如我们所见,说出这番话有重大责任。 |
| 40 | To rich countries, to poor countries, to big, to small, it is not the service of some and | 对富国、穷国、大国、小国来说,这不是对一些国家和发达国家的服务。 |
| 41 | not others. | 而不是别人。 |
| 42 | Then we have the credibility and we have the trust of the membership. | 然后,我们有信誉,并获得会员国的信任。 |
| 43 | You know, one thing people don't understand is what does the fund actually do? | 你知道,有件事人们不明白 基金是做什么的? |
| 44 | What we do is we care about the health of the world economy like a family doctor. | 我们做的是像家庭医生一样关心世界经济的健康。 |
| 45 | So we go to countries, we take their vital signs, and then we say, OK, maybe you have | 所以,我们去国家, 我们带走他们的生命迹象, 然后,我们说,好吧,也许你有 |
| 46 | to do a little bit more of this and a little bit less of that. | 来做一点这个 少一点那个 |
| 47 | We also have an emergency service. | 我们还有一个紧急服务。 |
| 48 | Countries get into trouble, we can come to their rescue. | 国家陷入麻烦,我们可以来救他们。 |
| 49 | And we have done that for half of our membership almost over the years of our existence. | 我们几乎在我们存在的这些年里,就一半的成员而言,我们做到了这一点。 |
| 50 | So when I go to the doctor, I usually follow the advice. | 所以当我去看医生的时候 我通常会听从建议 |
| 51 | Not everybody does that. | 不是每个人都这样做。 |
| 52 | So you can go to a country and say, look, I'm worried about this. | 这样你就可以去一个国家 说,你看,我很担心这一点。 |
| 53 | And they can say, thank you so much. | 他们可以说,非常感谢。 |
| 54 | Bye bye. | 再见 |
| 55 | What we find is that countries that take seriously advice, like people who are following | 我们所发现的是,那些认真对待建议的国家,像那些正在跟踪的人一样, |
| 56 | their doctor's prescriptions, do very well. | 他们的医生的处方,做得很好。 |
| 57 | Look at Europe. | 看看欧洲。 |
| 58 | At one point, we had countries in deep crisis, Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Iceland. | 一度,我们面临深刻危机的国家有葡萄牙,爱尔兰,希腊,冰岛. |
| 59 | They followed what needs to be done. | 他们遵循需要做的事情。 |
| 60 | They took on very difficult reforms. | 他们进行了非常困难的改革。 |
| 61 | Where are they today? | 他们今天在哪里? |
| 62 | The best performing economies in Europe. | 欧洲表现最好的经济体。 |
| 63 | So listen to your doctor. | 听医生的话 |
| 64 | But the doctor analogy, what you're prescribing is not a syrup, right? | 但医生的类比 你开的不是糖浆 对吧? |
| 65 | It's really hard. | 这真的很难。 |
| 66 | It's austerity, it's job losses. | 这是紧缩,是失业。 |
| 67 | First thing is they need to trust that it is in their interest. | 首先,他们需要相信这符合他们的利益。 |
| 68 | But to trust, there has to be an engagement and an explanation bringing them on board. | 但为了信任,必须有一个约定和解释,让他们加入。 |
| 69 | They have to feel that they can provide input in this decision. | 他们必须感到他们能够为这一决定提供投入。 |
| 70 | And then the decision may become different as a result. | 然后决定可能因此变得不同. |
| 71 | And then to do everything in your power to reduce the negative impact, to recognize that | 然后尽你所能 减少负面影响 承认这一点 |
| 72 | Deering in on the most vulnerable in society not only saves lives, but it improves the | 对社会中最易受伤害的人施压不仅能拯救生命,而且能改善 |
| 73 | likelihood that people would move forward with less resistance, resentment, and cost. | 人们以较少的反抗、怨恨和代价向前迈进的可能性。 |
| 74 | What's your favorite quality in a leader? | 你在领导者中最喜欢什么品质? |
| 75 | It is the buck stops with me. | 与我为伍 |
| 76 | That ability to confidently say, I take responsibility to lead. | 自信地说,我有责任领导。 |
| 77 | Ultimately, I will make a decision. | 最后,我会做一个决定。 |
| 78 | It may not be popular, but if it is the right decision, I would lead with it. | 它可能不流行,但如果这是正确的决定,我会带头。 |
| 79 | And I see that in many countries happening and I see in countries where there is hesitance. | 我看到在许多国家发生这种情况, 我看到在犹豫不决的国家。 |
| 80 | What would the public say? | 大众会怎么说? |
| 81 | And I believe that strong leaders don't think about what next in elections. | 我相信强大的领袖们不会考虑 接下来的选举会是什么。 |
| 82 | They think what is best for people. | 他们认为什么是最好的人。 |
| 83 | And actually, one feature of a good leader, and I embrace it wholeheartedly, is never | 事实上,一个好领导者的一个特征, 我全心全意地拥抱它,就是永远 |
| 84 | ask people to do something you're not prepared to do yourself. | 请人们做一些你还没准备好做的事 |
| 85 | I have this memory when Fukushima happened and in the first days it was very dangerous. | 福岛发生时,我有这样的记忆,在最初的日子里,这是非常危险的。 |
| 86 | I sent a team of emergency responders from Europe. | 我派了一组欧洲的应急人员 |
| 87 | I had to go to the European Parliament. | 我必须去欧洲议会 |
| 88 | I told them as I was sending off at the airport, I'm on the next flight. | 我告诉他们,当我在机场发送, 我在下一个航班。 |
| 89 | Why did you decide to go? | 你为什么决定去? |
| 90 | Because I was sending a team to Japan at the time when no foreign dignitary would go. | 因为我当时正派一个团队去日本 那时没有外国高官会去 |
| 91 | And I felt that sending the team was good, but not good enough. | 我觉得派遣团队是好的,但还不够好。 |
| 92 | I should be also able to do that. | 我也应该能够做到这一点。 |
| 93 | And this is how that sense of we are going to do what is right is reinforced when those | 这就是我们做正确的事的方式 当那些 |
| 94 | responsible stand by their decisions. | 对他们的决定负责。 |
| 95 | Are you worried that there's just one crisis too many? | 你担心只有一次危机吗? |
| 96 | In the last six years, we had COVID. | 在过去的六年里,我们有COVID。 |
| 97 | That was 2020. | 这是2020年。 |
| 98 | Then you have the war in Ukraine. | 那你在乌克兰开战 |
| 99 | Then you have the tariffs. | 那你有关税。 |
| 100 | And this year you have the Middle East war. | 今年你们有中东战争 |
| 101 | Yes, I'm concerned that we are not completely internalizing yet that this is how the world | 是的,我担心我们没有完全内化... ...而世界就是这样 |
| 102 | is going to be. | 这将是。 |
| 103 | We are not going to get to a place where shocks are gone. | 我们不会去一个没有冲击的地方。 |
| 104 | And what should we do? | 我们该怎么办? |
| 105 | I have been telling our members time and again, look, there are things you cannot influence. | 我一再告诉我们的成员,你看,有些事情你无法影响。 |
| 106 | But how you take care of your own country, how you build the foundation to withstand | 但如何照顾自己的国家,如何建立基础以承受 |
| 107 | these shocks, it is in your hands. | 这些冲击, 它在你手中。 |
| 108 | I always find it interesting to ask leaders about times when they've had to pivot from | 我总是觉得有趣的是 问问领导们 当他们不得不从 |
| 109 | an initial call or backtrack on a decision. | 初始呼叫或回路 在一个决定。 |
| 110 | And in September 2024, Georgia had to do just that. | 而在2024年9月,格鲁吉亚不得不这样做。 |
| 111 | The IMF announced they would conduct their annual review of Russia's economy for the | 国际货币基金组织宣布,它们将对俄罗斯的经济进行年度审查。 |
| 112 | first time since the full scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022. | 自2022年乌克兰全面入侵以来,第一次. |
| 113 | Now that decision was really met with backlash. | 现在,这个决定确实遭到反弹。 |
| 114 | Reporting by the Financial Times revealed that several European countries, including | 《金融时报》的报道显示,一些欧洲国家,包括: |
| 115 | Sweden, Denmark and Norway, criticized Georgia and the IMF, saying the visit would be taking | 瑞典、丹麦和挪威批评格鲁吉亚和货币基金组织,称这次访问将进行。 |
| 116 | a step towards normalizing relations with the aggressor. | 朝着与侵略者关系正常化迈出了一步。 |
| 117 | Now ultimately, the IMF decided not to go to Russia, but I wanted to know what the thinking | 最终,IMF决定不去俄罗斯, 但我想知道是什么想法 |
| 118 | was behind the trip. | 那次旅行的幕后黑手 |
| 119 | I want to talk to you about Russia, because in 2024, there was a decision to go to Russia. | 我想和你谈谈俄罗斯,因为2024年,有一个去俄罗斯的决定. |
| 120 | Russia is one of the members. | 俄罗斯是其成员之一。 |
| 121 | And then there was a backlash. | 后出现逆势. |
| 122 | What was that moment like for you? | 那个时刻对你来说是怎样的? |
| 123 | When we brought a program for Ukraine, for support of Ukraine, what impressed me was | 当我们为乌克兰带来一个支持乌克兰的方案时,让我印象深刻的是: |
| 124 | that we got full support, of course, with the exception of one country. | 当然,除一个国家外,我们得到了充分支持。 |
| 125 | And what it demonstrated was that there is a recognition that the fund bears a responsibility | 它表明,人们认识到基金有责任 |
| 126 | to support countries in difficult positions, especially when they are not necessarily the | 支持处境困难的国家,特别是在它们不一定是 |
| 127 | source of this difficulty. | 此困难的来源 。 |
| 128 | There was a discussion whether we can do an assessment of the Russian economy, the regular | 曾讨论过我们是否可以对俄罗斯经济进行评估, |
| 129 | assessment. | 评估。 |
| 130 | And at that point, it was a very tricky moment because the bombing was going in both directions. | 当时,这是一个非常棘手的时刻, 因为轰炸是朝两个方向进行的。 |
| 131 | We decided to delay. | 我们决定推迟 |
| 132 | I think that at some point, we will have the regular assessment restarted. | 我认为,在某些时候,我们将重新开始定期评估。 |
| 133 | Let's see when this point would be. | 让我们看看什么时候会这样 |
| 134 | So was your decision not to go to basically look at the economy because of the bombs or | 你决定不去 基本上看经济 因为炸弹或 |
| 135 | because of the backlash among the members? | 因为会员之间的反弹? |
| 136 | When we had to make this decision at that time, there was a bombing in Russia. | 当时我们不得不作出这个决定时,俄国发生了一起爆炸事件. |
| 137 | I can say that I would have not responsibly sent a mission at that time. | 我可以说,我当时不会负责任地派遣特派团。 |
| 138 | There was also a very important consideration. | 还有一个非常重要的考虑。 |
| 139 | Can we objectively get all the information we need to complete this assessment? | 我们能否客观地获得完成这一评估所需的所有信息? |
| 140 | And the honest answer was no, we need to collect data on trade, import, export. | 诚实的答案是,不,我们需要收集贸易,进出口的数据。 |
| 141 | Russia was very reluctant to provide this data, and that makes an assessment handicapped. | 俄罗斯非常不愿意提供这一数据,这使得评估工作受阻。 |
| 142 | But do you feel sometimes like you're politicized more than you want to be? | 但有时你觉得自己被政治化 比你想像的还要多吗? |
| 143 | I, in that particular case, no. | 我,在这个具体情况下,没有。 |
| 144 | The majority of our members feel that the invasion of Ukraine was a watershed moment | 我们大多数成员认为,入侵乌克兰是一个分水岭的时刻。 |
| 145 | for the whole world. | 为整个世界。 |
| 146 | Never in our wildest nightmares, we would think that the military power in Europe would | 我们从未在最疯狂的噩梦中 想到欧洲的军事力量 |
| 147 | attack another country, never. | 永远不要攻击另一个国家 |
| 148 | But that happened. | 但是,这发生了。 |
| 149 | And that watershed moment brought the membership at the front together to recognize that we | 这一分水岭的时刻使会员国聚集一堂,认识到我们 |
| 150 | have a duty of care for Ukraine. | 有义务照顾乌克兰。 |
| 151 | Is there something in the psychology of people that's changed for, you know, multilateralism, | 是否人们的心理学中有些东西 已经改变了,你知道,多边主义, |
| 152 | for the elite, for institutions like the IMF? | 对于精英,对于像货币基金组织这样的机构? |
| 153 | What I can tell you is that we collectively did not appreciate the backlash against globalization | 我可以告诉你的是,我们集体没有赞赏对全球化的反弹。 |
| 154 | that came from the fact that, yes, the world economy is doing better as a whole, but many | 这是因为,是的,世界经济整体表现更好,但许多 |
| 155 | communities were hauled out because their jobs disappeared and there was not enough | 社区被拖走 因为他们的工作消失 并且还不够 |
| 156 | attention to them. | 注意他们。 |
| 157 | I'll tell you what I'm very keen not to see repeated is the same with artificial intelligence. | 告诉你,我非常渴望不看到重复 与人工智能是一样的。 |
| 158 | I hope we will have learned this lesson. | 我希望我们将吸取这一教训。 |
| 159 | And as we move very rapidly into this world of artificial intelligence, we will pay attention | 当我们迅速进入人工智能的世界时,我们会注意 |
| 160 | of who benefits and who doesn't. | 谁受益谁不受益。 |
| 161 | Whose job is that? | 那是谁的工作? |
| 162 | Because it's very difficult. | 因为它非常困难。 |
| 163 | It's going so fast. | 开得真快 |
| 164 | I can tell you how we define our job. | 我可以告诉你我们如何定义我们的工作。 |
| 165 | Number one, impact of AI on productivity. | 第一,AI对生产力的影响. |
| 166 | Number two, impact on labor markets. | 第二,对劳动力市场的影响。 |
| 167 | Number three, impact on financial stability. | 第三,影响金融稳定。 |
| 168 | And in these three areas, we offer very sound analysis and we offer signals of what may | 在这三个领域,我们提供了非常健全的分析,并提供了可能 |
| 169 | be coming for everybody to use. | 来请大家使用。 |
| 170 | So if you just focus on leadership and AI, this is a very tricky situation because you're | 如果你只专注于领导和AI, 这是一个非常棘手的情况 因为你是 |
| 171 | an optimist and you think that politicians are here for the good of the people or trying | 一个乐观主义者,你认为政客在这里是为了人民的利益或者尝试 |
| 172 | to make a difference. | 为了改变现状 |
| 173 | You're either a pessimist on politicians and you see, okay, they just want to be popular | 你要么对政客持悲观态度,你看,好吧,他们只是想受欢迎 |
| 174 | and be reelected. | 并再次当选。 |
| 175 | But now you've given the power of AI to companies that are here to make money. | 但是现在你已经把AI的权力给了在这里赚钱的公司. |
| 176 | It's hard to say we have given them the power. | 很难说我们给了他们力量 |
| 177 | The honest assessment is that they have moved very rapidly. | 诚实的评估是,他们的行动非常迅速。 |
| 178 | We need to have more attention to the fact that three different regulatory models are | 我们需要更加注意这样一个事实,即三种不同的管理模式是: |
| 179 | emerging with regard to artificial intelligence, the European, the American, the Chinese. | 新兴的人工智能, 欧洲,美国,中国。 |
| 180 | It has to be the responsibility of the United Nations system to bring these three models | 联合国系统必须有责任将这三种模式带入其中。 |
| 181 | so they can coexist and actually we can run the developments in artificial intelligence | 所以它们可以共存,实际上我们可以 运行人工智能的发展 |
| 182 | more responsibly. | 更负责。 |
| 183 | Does it change, you think, the leadership of countries or the leadership of prime ministers | 你认为这是否改变了国家的领导或总理的领导? |
| 184 | and presidents because they don't have any control over it? | 和总统,因为他们 没有任何控制它? |
| 185 | They don't have the levers even to do anything about this. | 他们连这个都做不了 |
| 186 | They actually do have levers. | 他们确实有杠杆。 |
| 187 | We should not give them a pass. | 我们不应该给他们通行证。 |
| 188 | They have regulatory authority over data. | 它们拥有对数据的管理权。 |
| 189 | They have regulatory authority over how the profits from AI can be distributed in society. | 他们对AI的利润如何在社会中分配拥有监管权. |
| 190 | So exercise it. | 所以锻炼它。 |
| 191 | One thing that excites them and gets them to move is risks to financial stability, something | 有一件事让他们兴奋 并让他们移动 是风险 金融稳定,东西 |
| 192 | that we have responsibility to identify and then offer solutions. | 我们有责任找出解决办法,然后提出解决办法。 |
| 193 | What can we do? | 我们该怎么办? |
| 194 | The IMF isn't your typical organization. | IMF不是你的典型组织 |
| 195 | It's a global institution serving nearly 200 countries, balancing politics, | 这是一个全球性的机构,服务近200个国家,平衡政治, |
| 196 | economics and competing interests. | 经济学和相互竞争的利益。 |
| 197 | So how does such a broad and diverse group of stakeholders shape the way you lead? | 那么,这样一个广泛和多样化的利益攸关方团体如何塑造你的领导方式? |
| 198 | You have many employees at the IMF. | 你在IMF有很多员工 |
| 199 | It's not really like a business sense like we're in the city of London because it's more | 不像我们在伦敦市那样有商业意识,因为... |
| 200 | bureaucratic just by the nature of it. | 官僚主义的本质 |
| 201 | Have you changed it? | 你换了吗? |
| 202 | Does it change the way you work in terms of flows? | 这是否改变了你在流量方面的工作方式? |
| 203 | There are two things I hope when I'm out of the fund they would still stay. | 我希望有两件事 当我退出基金 他们仍然会留下来。 |
| 204 | The first one is that very simple message that policies are for people. | 第一个是政策是针对人民的非常简单的信息。 |
| 205 | I grew up in Bulgaria on the other side of the Iron Curtain. | 我从小在保加利亚铁幕另一边长大 |
| 206 | My mother lost all her savings because of hyperinflation. | 我妈妈因为恶性通货膨胀而失去了所有积蓄 |
| 207 | I remember queuing four o'clock in the morning to buy milk for my daughter. | 记得凌晨四点排队为女儿买牛奶. |
| 208 | I saw firsthand how devastating bad policies are for people. | 我亲眼目睹了对人们的灾难性政策。 |
| 209 | And the second thing I hope would stay is a team culture. | 我所希望的第二件事就是团队文化。 |
| 210 | Of all the places I worked, this has the highest degree of discipline. | 我工作过的所有地方中,这里纪律性最高. |
| 211 | It's like a small army. | 如小军. |
| 212 | Once a decision is taken, we move. | 一旦作出决定,我们就行动。 |
| 213 | There was when I came, I had that sense that there are structures within the army | 当我来的时候 我有一种感觉 军队内部有各种结构 |
| 214 | that act on their own, but there isn't enough collective engagement. | 但没有足够的集体参与。 |
| 215 | And we are not making best use of the totality of our skills. | 我们并没有充分利用我们的全部技能。 |
| 216 | So we have built that sense of a team that especially in these difficult times | 因此,我们建立了一个团队的感觉 特别是在这些困难时期 |
| 217 | comes together, we make decisions together. | 我们一起做决定 |
| 218 | How did you change that? | 你怎么改变的? |
| 219 | Because it's something very difficult, right? | 因为这很困难,对吧? |
| 220 | It's almost in the DNA of any organization that it's collaboration | 几乎在任何组织的DNA中 它的合作 |
| 221 | but that people feel they want to be part of it. | 但人们觉得他们想参与其中 |
| 222 | You have to invest in bringing the team together. | 你必须投资把团队团结在一起. |
| 223 | We have regular meetings of the senior management team. | 我们定期召开高级管理小组会议。 |
| 224 | We have leadership training, something that was seen when I came, | 我们有领导才能训练, 当我来的时候, |
| 225 | was seen like, you know, we are wasting our time. | 我们被看成是在浪费时间 |
| 226 | No, bring people together. | 不,把人们聚集在一起。 |
| 227 | You are leaders. | 你们是领导人。 |
| 228 | You have to solve problems together. | 你必须一起解决问题。 |
| 229 | Put your minds on that by making sure that we respect every opinion. | 记住这一点,确保我们尊重所有的意见。 |
| 230 | When I came, that's very interesting. | 当我来的时候 这很有趣 |
| 231 | So I'm sitting in my conference room. | 我坐在会议室里 |
| 232 | People come in, some sit at the table, some sit behind. | 有人进来,有人坐在桌子上,有人坐在后面 |
| 233 | I'm saying, what? | 我是说,什么? |
| 234 | Why is that? | 为什么? |
| 235 | Why isn't it first come, first served? | 为什么它不是先来的,先送的? |
| 236 | Well, this level of seniority at the table. | 嗯,这个水平的资历 在桌子上。 |
| 237 | This level of seniority in the seat behind. | 后座的这种资历. |
| 238 | Making the younger generation feeling that their voice is heard. | 让年轻一代感觉他们的声音被听到. |
| 239 | That really matters. | 这真的很重要。 |
| 240 | And then bringing a degree of informality. | 然后带来一定程度的非正式。 |
| 241 | When you're in a crisis, you have to feel comfortable | 当你陷入危机,你必须感到舒适 |
| 242 | to reach out to everybody, including to the managing director. | 联系所有人,包括总经理 |
| 243 | I'll tell you, I do things that are non-conventional. | 我告诉你,我做一些非常规的事 |
| 244 | We would go out and we would dance. | 我们出去跳舞 |
| 245 | It is everything that breaks the barriers helps. | 打破障碍的一切都会有所帮助。 |
| 246 | When you do this and you as a leader, people can see you, you're there. | 当你这样做,你作为一个领袖, 人们可以看到你,你在那里。 |
| 247 | Everybody shows up and that creates a very different dynamic. | 每个人都出现,这创造了一个非常不同的动态。 |
| 248 | Doesn't happen overnight. | 不会一夜之间发生的。 |
| 249 | Looking back at your career so far, is there anything that you would do differently? | 回首你的事业,到目前为止,有什么 你会做不同的吗? |
| 250 | Is there a problem that you wish you could have solved? | 有问题你希望自己能解决吗? |
| 251 | Is there a country that you could have helped sooner? | 有没有一个你能早点帮助的国家? |
| 252 | The most impactful of my jobs was being commissioner | 我最有影响的工作是当专员 |
| 253 | for crisis response and humanitarian aid. | 危机应对和人道主义援助。 |
| 254 | The one thing I regret is that some of the lessons I learned on the way, | 我唯一后悔的是 我路上学到的一些教训 |
| 255 | I didn't learn earlier. | 我之前没学过 |
| 256 | The most beautiful lesson I learned from a 13-year-old girl, Syrian girl in Lebanon. | 我从黎巴嫩一个13岁的叙利亚女孩身上学到的最美丽的教训。 |
| 257 | I was talking to her and I was asking her, what does she want? | 我在跟她说话,问她,她想要什么? |
| 258 | And she said, I dream to go back to Syria and go back to school. | 她说,我梦想回到叙利亚,回到学校。 |
| 259 | And at that time, my answer was, I really hope you can do it. | 当时,我的答案是, 我真的希望你能做到这一点。 |
| 260 | And then I walked out and I said, wait a minute, my hoping does nothing for her. | 然后,我走了出去,我说, 等一下, 我的希望没有为她做什么。 |
| 261 | So I put all my energy to create a program for Syrian children. | 所以我尽我所能为叙利亚儿童建立一个计划。 |
| 262 | Look, Francine, I spent too many years sitting in rooms of very important people, | 听着 弗朗辛 我花了太多年时间 坐在非常重要的人的房间里 |
| 263 | listening to what they say and thinking, well, you know, they're so important. | 听他们说的话和想法, 他们是如此重要。 |
| 264 | They must know better. | 他们必须更清楚。 |
| 265 | And sometimes being shy to speak up. | 有时会害羞地说话 |
| 266 | What is the moral of this lesson? | 这个教训的道德是什么? |
| 267 | When there is a problem, own it, embrace it. | 当有问题的时候,拥有它,拥抱它。 |
| 268 | If you can work for a solution, do it. | 如果你能努力解决问题 那就动手吧 |
| 269 | Do not hesitate. | 不要犹豫。 |
| 270 | In a profile written back in 2022, you described being late to recognize | 在2022年写的一篇档案中 你描述迟到认不出 |
| 271 | the importance of gender equality as one of your, I guess, regrets. | 我认为,两性平等的重要性是你们遗憾的。 |
| 272 | What shifted your perspective? | 什么改变了你的观点? |
| 273 | Well, what shifted my perspective was being time and again, the only woman in the room | 嗯,改变我的观点 是一次又一次, 唯一的女人在房间里 |
| 274 | and looking around and saying, this is not going to change by us just waiting for change to happen. | 环顾四周说,我们不会改变,只是等待变革的发生。 |
| 275 | Actually, since I came to the fund, guess what? | 事实上,自从我来到基金,你猜怎么着? |
| 276 | We are now just about 40% women in Syrian senior positions. | 我们现在担任叙利亚高级职位的妇女仅占40%。 |
| 277 | We were at 25 when I started. | 我开始的时候我们才25岁 |
| 278 | I came to this recognition also as a good economist because when we don't have women | 我作为一位好经济学家也获得了这个承认 因为当我们没有女人的时候 |
| 279 | in the labor force, when they don't add their smart to decision making, we all lose. | 在劳动力中,当他们不增加 他们聪明的决策,我们都输。 |
| 280 | I mean, at last year's Fortune Most Powerful Women's Summit, | 我的意思是,在去年的财富 最强大的妇女峰会, |
| 281 | you also said that Christine Lagarde broke the glass ceiling and that when you stepped in there, | 你还说克莉丝汀·拉加德打破了玻璃天花板 当你踏进去时 |
| 282 | there were no scratches left. | 没有划痕了 |
| 283 | So what did you mean by that? | 这么说你是什么意思? |
| 284 | When I came as the second woman to lead the IMF, half-jokingly, one of the men said, | 当我作为第二位领导IMF的女人来的时候,半途而废,一个男人说, |
| 285 | are we going to ever have a man managing director? | 我们是不是要有个男的经理? |
| 286 | To which my answer was, well, if you want to average it, | 我的答案是,嗯, 如果你想平均, |
| 287 | you will have to wait some 60 years and then it is again your turn. | 你必须等60年 然后轮到你了 |
| 288 | MD, thank you so much. | MD,非常感谢 |
| 289 | I have some rapid fire questions. | 我有一些快速的火灾问题。 |
| 290 | Are you ready? | 你准备好了吗? |
| 291 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 292 | What's the most important question you ask or tactic you have in an interview to figure out | 你问的最重要的问题是什么 或者是面试时的战术 |
| 293 | if they're the right person for the job? | 如果他们是合适的人选呢? |
| 294 | I ask, what would the person that doesn't like you say about you? | 那个不喜欢你的人会怎么说? |
| 295 | And what would the person that likes you say about you? | 喜欢的人会怎么说你? |
| 296 | If I asked you that question, what would you say? | 如果我问你这个问题 你会怎么说? |
| 297 | The persons that don't like me are likely to say she is too pushy. | 不喜欢我的人可能会说她太冲动了 |
| 298 | She interrupts people when they speak. | 她会打断别人说话 |
| 299 | She's too impatient. | 她太不耐烦了 |
| 300 | So yeah, that's what I think. | 所以,是的,这就是我的想法。 |
| 301 | And the people that like you? | 像你这样的人呢? |
| 302 | They would say that I'm fun to work with. | 他们会说我和他一起工作很好玩 |
| 303 | What's a job you did not get that you would have loved to have done? | 什么是你没有得到的工作 你会喜欢做? |
| 304 | I can tell you a job that I run for. | 我可以告诉你我竞选的工作 |
| 305 | I didn't get it. | 我没有得到它。 |
| 306 | And later on, I was delighted I didn't. | 后来,我很高兴没有 |
| 307 | I went to Australia to apply for a position as a professor in an Australian university. | 我去澳大利亚申请澳大利亚大学教授职位. |
| 308 | I didn't get it. | 我没有得到它。 |
| 309 | And just a month later, I went to the United States, to MIT, and the rest is history. | 一个月后,我去了美国,去麻省理工, 剩下的是历史。 |
| 310 | What keeps you up at night right now? | 是什么让你 晚上现在? |
| 311 | I wake up worried that not yet people understand that we have to think of the unthinkable | 我醒来时担心 还没有人明白 我们必须想到 不可思议的 |
| 312 | because the unthinkable has happened and it will happen again. | 因为不可思议的事情已经发生了,它会再次发生。 |
| 313 | I worry what is the next shock to hit. | 我担心下一个冲击是什么 |
| 314 | I don't know what it would be. | 我不知道会是什么 |
| 315 | I just know there would be one. | 我只知道会有一个。 |
| 316 | And I worry that I'm not doing enough to get people to say, wake up. | 我担心我做得不够让别人说 醒醒 |
| 317 | Thank you so much for joining us. | 非常感谢你加入我们。 |
| 318 | Thank you! | 谢谢! |
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