马斯克率DOGE团队接受FOX专访谈自己的使命 | 2025
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:02 | Thanks for having us and doing this. | 谢谢你让我们做这些 |
| 0:05 | I know there's a lot of interest in this. | 我知道这有很多兴趣 |
| 0:08 | You know, first let me start with you, Elon. | 先让我从你开始,伊隆 |
| 0:10 | What are the budgetary savings | 预算节省多少? |
| 0:12 | goals and how much do you think you've achieved so far? | 以及你认为你到目前为止取得了多少成就? |
| 0:16 | Our goal is to reduce the deficit by a trillion dollars. | 我们的目标是把赤字减少一万亿美元。 |
| 0:21 | So from a nominal | 所以从名义上 |
| 0:22 | deficit of two trillion to try to cut the deficit in half to one trillion or | 2万亿美元的赤字,试图将赤字减半至1万亿美元,或 |
| 0:27 | looked at it in total federal spending to drop the federal spending from seven | 从联邦总开支来看 联邦总开支从7 |
| 0:30 | trillion to six trillion. | 万亿至六万亿. |
展开字幕全文（624 条）
| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Thanks for having us and doing this. | 谢谢你让我们做这些 |
| 2 | I know there's a lot of interest in this. | 我知道这有很多兴趣 |
| 3 | You know, first let me start with you, Elon. | 先让我从你开始,伊隆 |
| 4 | What are the budgetary savings | 预算节省多少? |
| 5 | goals and how much do you think you've achieved so far? | 以及你认为你到目前为止取得了多少成就? |
| 6 | Our goal is to reduce the deficit by a trillion dollars. | 我们的目标是把赤字减少一万亿美元。 |
| 7 | So from a nominal | 所以从名义上 |
| 8 | deficit of two trillion to try to cut the deficit in half to one trillion or | 2万亿美元的赤字,试图将赤字减半至1万亿美元,或 |
| 9 | looked at it in total federal spending to drop the federal spending from seven | 从联邦总开支来看 联邦总开支从7 |
| 10 | trillion to six trillion. | 万亿至六万亿. |
| 11 | We want to reduce the spending by eliminating waste | 我们要通过消除浪费来减少开支 |
| 12 | and fraud, reduce the spending by 15 percent, which seems really quite | 和欺诈, 将开支减少15%, 这似乎真的相当 |
| 13 | achievable. | 可实现。 |
| 14 | The government is not efficient and there's a lot of waste and | 政府效率不高 浪费很多 |
| 15 | fraud. | 欺诈 |
| 16 | So we feel confident that a 15 percent reduction can be done | 因此,我们有信心 15%的削减可以做 |
| 17 | without affecting any of the critical government services. | 而不影响任何关键的政府部门。 |
| 18 | I'm going to talk to all the guys here about the specifics, but for you what's | 我要跟这里的所有人谈谈细节 但对于你来说 |
| 19 | the most astonishing thing you've found out in this process? | 你在这个过程中发现的最令人吃惊的事? |
| 20 | The sheer amount of | 数量 |
| 21 | waste and fraud in the government. | 浪费和欺诈政府。 |
| 22 | It is astonishing. | 这是惊人的。 |
| 23 | It's mind-blowing. | 心发心. |
| 24 | Just we | 只有我们 |
| 25 | routinely encounter wastes of a billion dollars or more, casually. | 经常遇到十亿美元或更多的浪费,随便。 |
| 26 | You know, for | 你知道,因为 |
| 27 | example, like the simple survey that was literally a 10-question survey | 例如,简单的调查 字面上是一个10个问题调查 |
| 28 | that you could do with SurveyMonkey, it cost you about $10,000. | 你可以和SurveyMonkey合作 花了你一万美元 |
| 29 | The government was | 政府是 |
| 30 | being charged almost a billion dollars for that. | 被收了将近10亿美元 |
| 31 | For just a survey? | 就为了调查? |
| 32 | A billion | 10亿 |
| 33 | dollars for a simple online survey. | 简单在线调查的美元 |
| 34 | Do you like the national park? | 你喜欢国家公园吗? |
| 35 | And then there | 还有那里 |
| 36 | appeared to be no feedback loop for what would be done with that survey. | 似乎对于如何开展这项调查没有反馈回路。 |
| 37 | So the | 所以说 |
| 38 | survey would just go into nothing. | 调查会一无所获 |
| 39 | It was like a good thing. | 这就像一件好事。 |
| 40 | You technically are a | 从技术上讲,你是一个 |
| 41 | special government employee and you're supposed to be a hundred and thirty days. | 特别的政府雇员,你应该一百三十天。 |
| 42 | Are you going to continue past that or do you think that's what you're going to | 你要继续过去,还是你认为你会 |
| 43 | do? | 是吗? |
| 44 | I think we will have accomplished most of the work required to reduce the | 我认为,我们将完成大部分必要的工作,以缩小 |
| 45 | deficit by a trillion dollars within that time frame. | 在该时限内赤字减少一万亿美元。 |
| 46 | So in that time frame, | 因此,在这个时间范围内, |
| 47 | a hundred and thirty days. | 一百三十日(一卷经). |
| 48 | And the process is a report at some point, at a hundred | 这个过程是一份报告 在某个时候,一百 |
| 49 | days? | 几天吗? |
| 50 | Not really a report. | 不是报告 |
| 51 | We are cutting the waste and fraud in real time. | 我们正在实时减少浪费和欺诈行为。 |
| 52 | So | 这么说 |
| 53 | every day that passes. | 每天都会经过 |
| 54 | Our goal is to reduce the waste and fraud by four | 我们的目标是把浪费和欺诈减少4个 |
| 55 | billion dollars a day every day, seven days a week. | 每天十亿美元,一周七天 |
| 56 | And so far we are succeeding. | 到目前为止,我们正在取得成功。 |
| 57 | And we're going to talk to the specifics, but there obviously are | 我们要谈谈细节 但很明显 |
| 58 | doge critics who are reading all kinds of stuff. | 禁止那些读各种东西的批评者 |
| 59 | Obviously lawmakers on the | 很明显,立法者在 |
| 60 | other side of the aisle are attacking you. | 另一边在攻击你 |
| 61 | And they characterize the approach | 和他们的特征 方法 |
| 62 | as this. | 像这样 |
| 63 | Fire ready and then aim. | 开火,然后瞄准 |
| 64 | And how do you approach that? | 你怎么处理的? |
| 65 | How do you respond | 你怎么回应 |
| 66 | to that? | 对那个? |
| 67 | Well I do agree that we actually want to be careful in the cuts. | 好吧,我同意,我们实际上 想要小心的削减。 |
| 68 | So we | 所以我们 |
| 69 | want to measure twice if not thrice and cut once. | 要量两次,如果不是三次 和切一次。 |
| 70 | And actually that is our | 其实那是我们的 |
| 71 | approach. | 办法。 |
| 72 | They may characterize it as shooting from the hip, but it is anything | 他们可能把它定性为从臀部射击, 但这是任何事情 |
| 73 | but that. | 但那个 |
| 74 | Which does not say that we don't make mistakes. | 这并不是说我们不会犯错 |
| 75 | If we were to | 如果我们要 |
| 76 | approach this with the standard of making no mistakes at all, that would be | 以不犯任何错误的标准对待这一点,即 |
| 77 | like saying someone in baseball has got a bad a thousand. | 比如说棒球队的人有一千个坏球 |
| 78 | That's impossible. | 这是不可能的。 |
| 79 | So when | 所以什么时候 |
| 80 | we do make mistakes, we correct them quickly and we move on. | 我们确实犯了错误,我们迅速纠正错误,然后继续前进。 |
| 81 | Some people say | 有人说 |
| 82 | this shouldn't take a rocket scientist. | 这不该用火箭科学家 |
| 83 | Steve Davis, you are a rocket scientist. | 史蒂夫・戴维斯 你是个火箭科学家 |
| 84 | Used to be. | 过去是. |
| 85 | Now essentially you're the chief operating officer of Doge. | 现在基本上你是Doge的首席操作官 |
| 86 | Day to | 日报 |
| 87 | day operations. | 每日操作。 |
| 88 | Fair to say? | 公平吗? |
| 89 | Yeah, part of the Doge team. | 是啊,多吉队的一部分。 |
| 90 | So how did you end up | 那你怎么会这样 |
| 91 | here? | 这里? |
| 92 | What's the biggest challenge you see? | 你看到的最大挑战是什么? |
| 93 | The reason I'm here, which is probably | 我来这里的原因 可能就是 |
| 94 | for many, is that I think the goal is incredibly inspiring. | 对许多人来说,我认为这个目标令人印象深刻。 |
| 95 | I think most of the | 我觉得大部分 |
| 96 | taxpayers in the country would agree that in order to have the country | 该国纳税人同意,为了拥有国家 |
| 97 | going bankrupt would be a very bad thing. | 破产是件很坏的事 |
| 98 | And therefore the country going not | 因此,这个国家不会 |
| 99 | bankrupt is a good thing that all of us are willing to kind of put our lives on | 破产是一件好事,我们所有人都愿意 把我们的生活 |
| 100 | hold in order to do. | 坚持下去 |
| 101 | I think the thing that's special right now is we actually | 我觉得现在最特别的是我们 |
| 102 | believe there's a chance to succeed. | 相信有机会成功 |
| 103 | That there's an administration that's | 有一个政府 |
| 104 | supportive and a great cabinet and just a great group that will actually make | 支持和伟大的内阁 和一个伟大的团体 将真正地 |
| 105 | success a possible outcome. | 成功取得可能的结果。 |
| 106 | And I think that's given the inspiring mission and | 我认为这给了我们鼓舞人心的使命 |
| 107 | given the non-zero chance of success, it was worth doing. | 鉴于成功的机会是零的,这是值得的。 |
| 108 | I just like to sort of | 我只是喜欢排序 |
| 109 | emphasize that point. | 强调这一点。 |
| 110 | The success of Doge is only possible with President | 多吉只有总统才能成功 |
| 111 | Trump and with the outstanding cabinet that he selected. | 特朗普和他选择的杰出内阁. |
| 112 | It would be impossible | 这是不可能的 |
| 113 | without the support of the president and the cabinet. | 没有总统和内阁的支持。 |
| 114 | But you're finding the money. | 但你找到钱了 |
| 115 | I mean it's big numbers, right? | 我的意思是,这是大数字,对不对? |
| 116 | Yeah, like Elon said, the minimum impulse bit is | 就像伊隆说的 最小的冲动是 |
| 117 | often a billion dollars. | 经常是十亿美元。 |
| 118 | So for example the 830 million dollars, which was the | 例如,8.3亿美元,就是 |
| 119 | online survey, that's an enormous amount of money that wouldn't have been found | 网上调查,这是一大笔钱,不会被发现的 |
| 120 | if the Doge team wasn't working with it, in that case the Department of Interior, | 如果Doge团队没有配合的话 那样的话 内政部 |
| 121 | but then taking it one step further, Doge then publishes these things on our | 但再往前走一步,Doge就把这些东西刊登在我们身上 |
| 122 | website for maximum transparency. | 实现最大透明度的网站。 |
| 123 | So now the general public, it would have been | 因此,现在的公众, 它应该是 |
| 124 | impossible for the general public to have seen that. | 公众不可能看到这一点。 |
| 125 | Now anyone can just log | 现在任何人都可以只登录 |
| 126 | into doge.gov anytime and see these payments. | 随时进入GOV 并看到这些付款。 |
| 127 | They're not yet in real time, | 他们还不是实时的 |
| 128 | they're close, but they'll probably be in real time within the next few weeks. | 他们离我们很近, 但他们很可能会在接下来的几周内实时出现。 |
| 129 | But the process still involves Congress, right? | 但是这个过程仍然涉及到国会,对吧? |
| 130 | At some level? | 某种程度? |
| 131 | We try to keep | 我们试图保持 |
| 132 | Congress as informed as possible, but the law does say that money needs to be | 国会尽可能知情, 但法律确实说,金钱需要 |
| 133 | spent correctly. | 花了正确的时间。 |
| 134 | It should not be spent fraudulently or wastefully. | 不应加以欺诈或浪费。 |
| 135 | It's not | 这不是 |
| 136 | contrary to Congress to avoid waste and fraud. | 与国会相反 避免浪费和欺诈 |
| 137 | It is consistent with the law and | 这符合法律,而且 |
| 138 | consistent with Congress, and we've seen actually great support, at least from | 和国会一致, 而且我们已经看到实际上 巨大的支持,至少从 |
| 139 | the Republican side of the House, and occasionally some Democrats too. | 众议院的共和党方面 偶尔也有一些民主党人 |
| 140 | You know, | 你知道吗, |
| 141 | it's nice to see people cross the aisle once in a while, but usually when they | 看到人们偶尔穿过过道是件好事 但通常当他们 |
| 142 | attack Doge, they never attack any of the specifics. | 他们从不攻击任何细节 |
| 143 | So they'll say what we're | 所以他们会说我们是什么 |
| 144 | doing is somehow unconstitutional or illegal or whatever. | 这样做是违宪或非法的。 |
| 145 | We're like, well, | 我们就像,嗯, |
| 146 | which line of the cost savings do you disagree with? | 你不同意节约成本的哪一行? |
| 147 | And they can't point to | 他们不能指 |
| 148 | any. | 任何一种。 |
| 149 | And we list them all on doge.gov and the doge handle on X. | 我们把它们都列出在doge.gov和doge的手柄在X。 |
| 150 | And you'll see just | 你会看到 |
| 151 | outrageous things, one outrageous thing after another. | 一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一件一 |
| 152 | Joe Gaviam, besides Elon, you're one of several billionaires here, co-founder of | 乔·加维亚姆 除了伊隆 你是这里几个亿万富翁之一 |
| 153 | Airbnb 你想帮忙 | |
| 154 | I bumped into Anthony and Elon probably back in February, and they told me | 我碰见安东尼和埃隆 大概在二月,他们告诉我 |
| 155 | something about a mine that was dealt with retirement, and they said they needed | 关于一个矿井 处理退休, 他们说他们需要 |
| 156 | somebody to help out to fix retirement in the government. | 帮助政府解决退休问题 |
| 157 | I loved the challenge, so | 我爱挑战,所以 |
| 158 | I jumped on board, and it turns out there is actually a mine in Pennsylvania that | 我跳上飞机 结果发现宾夕法尼亚州有个矿井 |
| 159 | houses every paper document for the retirement process in the government. | 提供政府退休过程的所有文件。 |
| 160 | Now | 现在 |
| 161 | picture this. | 图片这个。 |
| 162 | This giant cave has 22,000 filing cabinets, stacked ten high to | 这个巨大的洞穴有22,000个档案柜,堆积了10个高到 |
| 163 | 400 million pieces of paper. | 4亿张纸. |
| 164 | It's a process that started in the 1950s and | 这个过程始于1950年代 |
| 165 | largely hasn't changed in the last 70 years. | 过去70年基本上没有改变。 |
| 166 | And so as you dug into it, we found | 所以,当你挖掘出来,我们发现 |
| 167 | retirement cases that had so much paper, they had to fit it on a shipping palette. | 有这么多纸的退休案 得装在运货盘上 |
| 168 | So the process takes many months, and we're going to make it just many days. | 所以这个过程需要许多个月的时间, 而我们只需要几天的时间。 |
| 169 | Will it be digitized? | 会数字化吗? |
| 170 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 171 | So this will be an online digital process that will take just a few | 因此,这将是一个在线数字进程,只需要几个 |
| 172 | days at most, and I really think it's an injustice to civil servants who are | 我认为这是对公务员的不公 |
| 173 | subjected to these processes that are older than the age of half the people | 受这些过程的影响,这些过程的年龄超过一半的人。 |
| 174 | watching your show tonight. | 今晚看你的节目 |
| 175 | So we really believe that the government can have an | 所以,我们真的相信,政府可以有一个 |
| 176 | Apple Store-like experience, beautifully designed, great user experience, modern | Apple Store类似的经验,设计精美,用户经验丰富,现代化 |
| 177 | systems. | 系统。 |
| 178 | Because right now it's by hand. | 因为现在它是手。 |
| 179 | Yes, the retirement process is all by paper, literally with people carrying | 是的,退休的过程都是纸上的, 字面上的人携带 |
| 180 | paper and manila envelopes into this gigantic mine. | 纸和马尼拉信封 进入这个巨大的矿井。 |
| 181 | So they can't retire more than a certain number every month? | 所以他们不能退休 超过每月的一定数量? |
| 182 | Yes, about 8,000 a month. | 是的,大约8000一个月。 |
| 183 | The reason we discovered it was we were saying like, well, let's encourage | 我们发现它的原因是 我们说,好吧,让我们鼓励 |
| 184 | voluntary retirement. | 自愿退休。 |
| 185 | They said, well, the most they could do is 8,000 a month. | 他们说 他们能做的最多是每月8000美元 |
| 186 | And even under normal circumstances, it can take six to nine months just to have your | 就算在正常情况下 也可能需要6到9个月 才有你 |
| 187 | time paperwork processed, and they often get the calculations wrong. | 处理时间文件, 他们常常得到错误的计算。 |
| 188 | So we're like, well, why would it take so long to retire? | 那么,我们喜欢,嗯,为什么 要这么长时间退休? |
| 189 | And they're like, well, because of the mine. | 他们喜欢,嗯,因为矿井。 |
| 190 | They're like, what do you mean a mine? | 他们就像,你是什么意思地雷? |
| 191 | What's a mine got to do with retiring? | 矿井和退休有什么关系? |
| 192 | And that's where we discovered that all the retirement stuff is done by, still | 这就是我们发现 所有退休的事情 都由 |
| 193 | done by paper, in a process that looks identical to what occurred in the 1950s. | 与1950年代一样 |
| 194 | Like, if you took a snapshot of the mine when it first started in the 50s to today, | 譬如,如果你拍下矿井的一张照片 当它从50年代开始到今天, |
| 195 | it looks the same. | 它看起来是一样的。 |
| 196 | It's amazing. | 不可思议. |
| 197 | So how long do you think it'll take to turn over? | 转身要多久? |
| 198 | We're working as fast as we can. | 勤行如来. |
| 199 | Probably the next couple of months we'll have this overhauled. | 可能接下来的几个月,我们将会进行大修。 |
| 200 | And I really think, again, like, why are we subjecting our federal workers to | 我真的想,再次, 像,为什么我们要 我们的联邦工人不得不 |
| 201 | processes that they actually have to go through a training just to retire from the government? | 他们实际上必须经过培训才能从政府退休? |
| 202 | There's a whole training program that people have to go through in order to retire. | 有一个完整的训练计划,人们必须经过这个计划才能退休. |
| 203 | I think we can do better for them. | 我想我们可以为他们做更好的。 |
| 204 | Aram Mogodasi,DOGE工程师. | |
| 205 | You go into these places, one of the more than a dozen engineers, | 你进入这些地方, 十几个工程师之一, |
| 206 | first people to go into the agencies and view the computer data sets. | 先让人们进入机构 查看电脑数据组 |
| 207 | Tell me what you're finding. | 告诉我你找到了什么 |
| 208 | And for people who don't understand how that process works, explain it for them. | 对于不明白这个过程如何运作的人,请为他们解释一下。 |
| 209 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 210 | I'll say the first thing that got me really excited about DOGE was learning, | 我会说,第一件事 让我真正兴奋 关于DOGE是学习, |
| 211 | basically, the state of government computers. | 基本上,政府电脑的状态。 |
| 212 | By some estimates, government IT costs about $100 billion. | 据一些估计,政府信息技术费用约为1 000亿美元。 |
| 213 | And it's funding systems that are over 50 years old, | 资金系统已经超过50年了 |
| 214 | in the case of something like Social Security or the IRS. | 在社会保障或国税局等情况下。 |
| 215 | So really critical systems are old. | 所以真正的关键系统是旧的。 |
| 216 | They cost a lot of money to maintain. | 维护它们要花很多钱 |
| 217 | And the efforts to improve them are often very delayed. | 而改进这些努力的努力往往被拖延。 |
| 218 | So I thought I'm a software engineer that maybe can make a difference here. | 所以我认为我是一个软件工程师, 也许可以在这里有所作为。 |
| 219 | And that's really what inspired me at a high level. | 这真的激励了我 在高层。 |
| 220 | There's a lot of mystery about Social Security and a lot of | 社保有很多谜团 |
| 221 | words about it from... | 关于它的话来自... |
| 222 | Here's what Democrats have been saying about it. | 以下是民主党人对此的论述. |
| 223 | It's absurd that Elon Musk is trying to eliminate billions of dollars from Social Security. | 伊隆·穆斯克试图从社会保障中消除数十亿美元,这是荒谬的. |
| 224 | Elon Musk and President Trump have set their sights on cutting Social Security. | 埃隆·穆斯克和特朗普总统已经把目光投向削减社会保障. |
| 225 | Their goal is clear. | 他们的目标是明确的。 |
| 226 | Destroy Social Security from within. | 从内部破坏社会保障。 |
| 227 | You're in the building. | 你在楼里 |
| 228 | I mean, you're in the computers. | 我是说 你在电脑里 |
| 229 | What's happening there? | 发生什么事了? |
| 230 | What are you doing? | 你在干吗? |
| 231 | Yeah, it doesn't line up with my experience on the ground. | 是啊,这不符合我的经验 在地面上。 |
| 232 | And I'll say the two improvements that we're trying to make to Social Security are | 我要说,我们试图对社会保障 做的两个改进是: |
| 233 | helping people that legitimately get benefits, protecting them from fraud | 帮助合法受益的人,保护他们免受欺诈 |
| 234 | that they experience every day on a routine basis. | 他们每天都在经历 |
| 235 | And also make the experience better. | 也让经验更好。 |
| 236 | And I'll give you one example. | 并举一例. |
| 237 | At Social Security, one of the first things we learned is that | 在社会保障方面,我们首先学到的一点是 |
| 238 | they get phone calls every day of people trying to change direct deposit information. | 他们每天都接到电话 人们试图改变直接存款信息。 |
| 239 | So when you want to change your bank account, you can call Social Security. | 所以,当你想改变你的银行账户, 你可以打电话给社会保障。 |
| 240 | We learned 40% of the phone calls that they get are from fraudsters. | 我们得知他们接到的电话中有40%来自诈骗犯. |
| 241 | 40%? | 40%吗? |
| 242 | That's right. | 没错 |
| 243 | Almost half. | 几乎一半。 |
| 244 | Yes, and they steal people's Social Security is what happens. | 是的,他们偷走了人们的社会保障 |
| 245 | As they call in, they claim to be a retiree. | 当他们打电话来时,他们声称自己是一名退休人员。 |
| 246 | Then they convince the Social Security person on the phone to change where the money's flowing. | 然后他们说服了电话里的社保人员改变资金流向. |
| 247 | It actually goes to some fraudster. | 这其实是一些欺诈者。 |
| 248 | This is happening all day, every day. | 每天都有这样的事发生 |
| 249 | And then somebody doesn't receive their Social Security. | 然后有人得不到他们的社会保障。 |
| 250 | It's because of all the fraud loopholes in the Social Security system. | 这是因为社保系统存在各种舞弊漏洞. |
| 251 | How do you reassure people that what you all are doing is not going to affect their benefits? | 你如何向人们保证,你们所做的一切不会影响他们的利益? |
| 252 | No, in fact, what we're doing will help their benefits. | 不,事实上,我们正在做的事情会帮助他们的利益。 |
| 253 | Legitimate people, as a result of the work of Doge, will receive more Social Security, not less. | 由于多吉的工作,合法人士将得到更多的社会保障,而不是更少. |
| 254 | I want to emphasize that. | 我要强调这一点。 |
| 255 | As a result of the work of Doge, legitimate recipients of Social Security | 由于Doge的工作,社会保障的合法领取者 |
| 256 | will receive more money, not less money. | 会收到更多的钱,而不是更少的钱。 |
| 257 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 258 | And let the record show that I said this. | 让记录显示我这么说 |
| 259 | And it will be proven out to be true. | 并会证明是真实的。 |
| 260 | Let's check back on this in the future. | 以后再查这个 |
| 261 | Washington Post. | 华盛顿邮报. |
| 262 | The Social Security Administration website crashed four times in 10 days this month | 社保局网站本月10天内坠毁4次 |
| 263 | because the servers were overloaded, blocking millions of retirees | 因为服务器超载 挡住了数百万退休人员 |
| 264 | and disabled veterans from logging into their online accounts. | 和残疾退伍军人 登录他们的在线账户。 |
| 265 | Freaked people out. | 吓坏了人 |
| 266 | Is that going to change? | 那会改变吗? |
| 267 | Yes, we're going to make sure that the website stays online. | 是的,我们要确保 网站保持在线。 |
| 268 | But is it a result of going in there or something you're doing? | 但是这是你进去的结果吗? |
| 269 | No, the amount of issues that were with the Social Security system are enormous. | 不,社会保障系统的问题数量巨大。 |
| 270 | As an example, there are over 15 million people that are over the age of 120 | 例如,有1 500多万人超过120岁。 |
| 271 | that are marked as alive in the Social Security system. | 在社会保障系统中被标记为活着的。 |
| 272 | And that's an accurate figure. | 这是一个准确的数字。 |
| 273 | Correct. | 没错 |
| 274 | 15 million. | 一千五百万个 |
| 275 | Correct. | 没错 |
| 276 | This has been something that's been identified as a problem. | 这个问题已经被确定为一个问题。 |
| 277 | Again, pre-existing problems since 2008, at least, from an IG report. | 同样,至少从IG报告来看,2008年以来就已经存在的问题。 |
| 278 | So there are some great people working at the Social Security Administration. | 因此,有一些伟大的人在社会保障管理局工作。 |
| 279 | Social Security Administration that found this, 2008, and nothing was done. | 2008年发现这种情况的社会保障管理局没有采取任何行动。 |
| 280 | And so 15 to 20 million Social Security numbers that were clearly fraudulent | 因此,1500万到2000万 社会保障数字明显欺诈 |
| 281 | were floating around that can be used only for bad intentions. | 漂浮在周围 只能用于恶意 |
| 282 | There'd be no way to use those for good intentions. | 没办法用这些来达到好的目的 |
| 283 | And so one of the things the DOJ team is doing is carefully and very methodically | 所以司法部的团队正在做的其中一件事 是谨慎和有条理的 |
| 284 | looking at those and making sure that any fraudulent ones are eliminated. | 检查这些,确保任何欺诈行为都消除。 |
| 285 | Brett Smith, working at HHS. | 布莱特·史密斯,在HHS工作. |
| 286 | And obviously, another element is Medicare and Medicaid, NIH. | 很明显,另一个元素是医疗保健和医疗补助,NIH。 |
| 287 | What are you finding? | 你发现什么了? |
| 288 | Well, I'd say there's a couple things we're really committed to in our work at HHS. | 嗯,我想说,有一些事情 我们真正承诺 在我们的HHS的工作。 |
| 289 | Number one, making sure we continue to have the best biomedical research in the world. | 第一,确保我们继续有 世界上最好的生物医学研究。 |
| 290 | And number two, making sure, which President Trump has said over and over again, | 第二,确保,特朗普总统一遍又一遍地说, |
| 291 | that we 100% protect Medicare and Medicaid. | 我们百分之百地保护医疗保险和医疗补助。 |
| 292 | But there's a lot of opportunity. | 却有甚么机会. |
| 293 | So if I take NIH as an example, today, if you're an NIH researcher | 所以,如果我以NIH为例,今天,如果你是NIH研究员 |
| 294 | and you get a $100 grant at your university, today, you get to spend 60 of that and your | 而你在你的大学得到100美元赠款, 今天,你可以花60美元,你 |
| 295 | university spends 40 of that. | 大学花40元 |
| 296 | The policy that we're proposing to make is that you get to spend 85 of that | 我们提出的政策是 你可以花85美元 |
| 297 | and your university spends 15. | 和你的大学花费15。 |
| 298 | So that's more money going directly to the scientists who are discovering new cures. | 更多的钱直接流向那些发现新疗法的科学家。 |
| 299 | Another example at NIH is today they have 27 different centers. | NIH的另一个例子是,今天他们有27个不同的中心。 |
| 300 | They got created over time by Congress and they're typically by disease state or body system. | 它们是由国会创造的 他们通常通过疾病状态或身体系统。 |
| 301 | There's 700 different IT systems today at NIH. | 今天NIH有700个不同的IT系统. |
| 302 | 700 different IT systems. | 700个不同的IT系统. |
| 303 | IT software systems. | IT软件系统. |
| 304 | They can't speak to each other. | 他们不能互相说话。 |
| 305 | So they don't talk to each other. | 故不相语. |
| 306 | They have 27 different CIOs. | 他们有27个不同的CIO。 |
| 307 | And so when you think about making great medical discoveries, you have to connect the data. | 所以,当你考虑 做出伟大的医学发现, 你必须连接数据。 |
| 308 | Time out, time out. | 暂停,暂停。 |
| 309 | You said 27 different chief information officers? | 你说27个不同的首席情报官? |
| 310 | Correct, correct. | 没错,没错 |
| 311 | And most of them are non-technical. | 并且大部分是非技术性的. |
| 312 | So there's a lot there, is what you're saying. | 所以那里有很多,这就是你说的。 |
| 313 | There's a lot of opportunity. | 机会甚多. |
| 314 | It will make science better, not worse. | 它将使科学更好,而不是更糟。 |
| 315 | And when I say that our job is tech support, I really mean it. | 当我说我们的工作是技术支持时,我是认真的。 |
| 316 | We have to fix the computers. | 我们必须修理电脑。 |
| 317 | If the computers can't talk to each other, you can't get research done. | 如果电脑不能互相交谈,就无法完成研究. |
| 318 | If the computers can't stay online, people won't receive their Social Security. | 如果电脑不能上网,人们就得不到社会保障。 |
| 319 | So what we have here are a bunch of failing computer systems | 我们这里有一堆故障的电脑系统 |
| 320 | that are preventing people from receiving their benefits, | 阻止人们享受福利, |
| 321 | that are preventing people from preventing research from happening, | 阻止人们阻止研究的发生, |
| 322 | that are extremely vulnerable to fraud. | 极易发生欺诈行为。 |
| 323 | And we're fixing it. | 我们正在修复它。 |
| 324 | And does that include AI? | 包括人工智能吗? |
| 325 | Does that include kind of changing the system overall? | 这是否包括改变整个系统? |
| 326 | That's what I guess what people are afraid of is they don't know what this is all looking | 我猜人们害怕的就是 他们不知道这些是什么 |
| 327 | like and is it going to affect me in the long term? | 长期来说会影响我吗? |
| 328 | It's going to affect them. | 它会影响他们。 |
| 329 | It's going to affect people very positively. | 这将非常积极地影响人们。 |
| 330 | So the changes that we're doing here will ensure the solvency | 因此,我们所做的改变 将保证偿付能力 |
| 331 | of the American government, of the United States of America. | 美国政府,美利坚合众国政府。 |
| 332 | This is what we're trying to do is ensure that | 这就是我们试图做的是确保 |
| 333 | people do receive their benefits in the future. | 人们将来确实会得到福利。 |
| 334 | And you can only receive your benefits if the country | 只有国家才能给你福利 |
| 335 | is operating in a healthy and competent way. | 正在以健康和称职的方式运作。 |
| 336 | Up next, how the Doge team plans to streamline some federal jobs and agencies. | 接下来,Doge团队计划如何精简一些联邦职位和机构. |
| 337 | And later, Elon Musk answers some of your questions that you asked via X. | 后来,埃隆·穆斯克回答了你通过X提出的一些问题. |
| 338 | Anthony Armstrong, Doge,人事管理办公室, | |
| 339 | Morgan Stanley Banker, 合并和收购公司的人。 | |
| 340 | You know money, and this is a lot of money sloshing around. | 你知道钱,这是很多钱 到处荡荡。 |
| 341 | There's a lot of money sloshing around. | 到处都是钱 |
| 342 | There's a lot of money sloshing out the door. | 有很多钱在门外 |
| 343 | And if you look at the federal government and the way the workforce works, | 如果你看看联邦政府和员工的工作方式 |
| 344 | it's really a one-way ratchet over decades. | 这确实是一个单向转盘 几十年。 |
| 345 | It's only going up. | 它只是去上升。 |
| 346 | You never take it away. | 你从不把它拿走。 |
| 347 | So that leaves you with duplicative functions. | 这样你就会有重复的功能。 |
| 348 | It leaves you with over-staffing. | 这让你有超员。 |
| 349 | And it leaves you with functions in the wrong places. | 它让你在错误的地方有功能。 |
| 350 | So a couple of examples. | 所以几个例子。 |
| 351 | Duplicative functions. | 双重功能。 |
| 352 | Brad mentioned 27 CIOs. | 布拉德提到了27个CIOs. |
| 353 | If you had kept going with Brad, he'd probably talk about the communications office. | 如果你一直和布拉德在一起 他大概会说通信办公室的事 |
| 354 | I think you've got 40 distinct communications offices in HHS, right? | 我想你在HHS有40个不同的通信办公室 对吧? |
| 355 | 40? | 40岁? |
| 356 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 357 | And that's not unusual, by the way. | 顺便说一句,这并非不寻常 |
| 358 | Multiple offices like that. | 多个这样的办公室. |
| 359 | So it's not making anyone healthy. | 所以它不会让任何人健康。 |
| 360 | This is not about the employees. | 这跟员工无关 |
| 361 | There's many, many hard-working, well-meaning people who took these jobs. | 有很多,许多勤奋,善良的人接受了这些工作. |
| 362 | These jobs were out there. | 这些工作都在外面 |
| 363 | They applied for them. | 他们申请了 |
| 364 | They took them. | 他们拿走了 |
| 365 | They're doing what's there. | 他们在那里做什么。 |
| 366 | It's just that they're duplicating the effort of 40 offices. | 只是他们重复了40个办公室的工作 |
| 367 | So you've got that. | 所以,你已经得到了这一点。 |
| 368 | You've got over-staffing. | 你人手过多了 |
| 369 | A good example of over-staffing would be the IRS has got 1,400 people who are dedicated | 国税局有1400人 专注 |
| 370 | to provisioning laptops and cell phones. | 提供笔记本电脑和手机。 |
| 371 | So if you join the IRS, you get a laptop and a cell phone. | 所以,如果你加入国税局, 你得到一个笔记本电脑和一个手机。 |
| 372 | You're provisioned. | 汝受供养. |
| 373 | So if each of those IRS officers or employees provisioned two employees per day, you could | 因此,如果每个国税局官员或雇员每天提供两名雇员,你可以 |
| 374 | provision the entire IRS in a little more than a month. | 在一个多月内提供整个国税局。 |
| 375 | So 12 times a year, you can re-provision. | 所以一年12次,你可以重新提供。 |
| 376 | It doesn't make any sense. | 谓无量义. |
| 377 | Why would you have 1,400 people whose only job it is to give out a laptop and a phone? | 你怎么会有1400个人 他们唯一的工作就是提供笔记本电脑和电话? |
| 378 | Right. | 对 |
| 379 | The whole IRS could be handled once a month. | 整个国税局可以每月处理一次。 |
| 380 | So that doesn't make any sense. | 所以,这没有任何意义。 |
| 381 | And President Trump's been very clear. | 而川普总统一直非常清楚. |
| 382 | It's scalpel, not hatchet. | 是手术刀 不是小刀 |
| 383 | And that's the way it's getting done. | 亦复如是. |
| 384 | And then once those decisions are made, there's a very heavy focus on being generous, being | 然后一旦做出这些决定, 就会非常关注慷慨的, |
| 385 | caring, being compassionate, and treating everyone with dignity and respect. | 关心、同情和以尊严和尊重对待每一个人。 |
| 386 | And if you look at how people have started to leave the government, it is largely through | 如果你看看人们是如何开始 离开政府,它基本上通过 |
| 387 | voluntary means. | 自愿手段。 |
| 388 | There's voluntary early retirement. | 有自愿提前退休. |
| 389 | There's voluntary separation payments. | 有自愿离职偿金. |
| 390 | We put in place deferred resignation, the eight-month severance program. | 我们实施了8个月的离职计划 推迟辞职 |
| 391 | So there's a very heavy bias towards programs that are long-dated, that are generous, that | 因此,对于长期,慷慨,慷慨的节目,存在着非常严重的偏见. |
| 392 | allow people to exit and go and get a new job in the private sector. | 允许人们离开和去私营部门找到新的工作。 |
| 393 | And you've heard a lot of news about rifts, about people getting fired. | 你听说过很多关于裂痕的消息 关于人们被解雇的消息 |
| 394 | At this moment in time, less than .15, not 1.5, less than .15 of the federal workforce | 此时,不足15人,不足1.5人,不足15人 |
| 395 | has actually been given a riff notice. | 已经收到通知。 |
| 396 | So they're selected if they're a leader. | 所以他们被选中 如果他们是一个领袖。 |
| 397 | It is... | 这是... |
| 398 | Basically, almost no one's gotten fired, is what we're saying. | 基本上,几乎没有人被解雇, 这就是我们的意思。 |
| 399 | Tom Kress 在财政部工作 | |
| 400 | You are having access to the payment system overseas, all the outgoing payments. | 你们可以访问海外的支付系统 所有外出付款 |
| 401 | Essentially, those payments were going places we didn't know where they were going, right? | 基本上,那些付款去的地方 我们不知道他们要去哪里,对不对? |
| 402 | Yeah, unfortunately, that's the case, Brett. | 是啊,很不幸,就是这样,布雷特。 |
| 403 | As an ex-CFO of a big public tech company, really what we're doing is we're applying | 作为一家大型公共技术公司的前首席财务干事,我们所做的就是申请 |
| 404 | public company standards to the federal government. | 向联邦政府提供公共公司标准。 |
| 405 | And it is alarming how the financial operations and financial management is set up today. | 而今天如何建立财务运作和财务管理,也令人震惊。 |
| 406 | There is actually really only one bank account that's used to disperse | 其实只有一个银行账户用来分散 |
| 407 | all monies that go out of the federal government. | 所有来自联邦政府的钱 |
| 408 | Tell them about one bank account. | 告诉他们一个银行账户 |
| 409 | It's a big one. | 谓之大. |
| 410 | A couple weeks ago, it had $800 billion in it, but it's the Treasury digital account. | 几周前,它有8000亿美元, 但它是财政部的数字账户。 |
| 411 | So when you hear some of my colleagues here, what they're talking about in terms of the fraud, | 所以,当你听到我的一些同事在这里, 他们谈论的欺诈, |
| 412 | you have to ask, well, why is this allowed to happen at a financial level? | 你不得不问,为什么在财政方面允许这样做? |
| 413 | Well, it's actually quite simple, but alarming. | 其实很简单,但很惊人 |
| 414 | The Treasury, up until now, and thanks to President Trump, we're fixing this. | 财政部,直到现在, 多亏特朗普总统,我们正在解决这个问题。 |
| 415 | In fact, there was an executive order that he just signed the other day, | 事实上 那天他刚签了个行政命令 |
| 416 | which is protecting America's bank account, because it really is the taxpayer's money. | 这是保护美国的银行账户, 因为它真的是纳税人的钱。 |
| 417 | One, we're changing the culture. | 一,我们改变文化. |
| 418 | The culture has been not a lot of caring and not a lot of commitment to doing what's right | 文化没有太多的关心 也没有太多的承诺做正确的事情 |
| 419 | relative to financial operations. | 相对于财务业务。 |
| 420 | There's $500 billion of fraud every year. | 每年有5000亿元的诈骗案. |
| 421 | There's hundreds of billion dollars of improper payments, and we can't pass an audit. | 千亿不合理支付,不能通过审计. |
| 422 | The consolidated financial report is produced by Treasury, and we cannot pass it on. | 综合财务报告由国库编制,我们不能传承. |
| 423 | We have material weaknesses. | 我们有物质上的弱点。 |
| 424 | What that means is that if I was a public company CFO, I would effectively be removed. | 这意味着,如果我是一家公共公司CFO, 我会被有效删除。 |
| 425 | I couldn't file financial statements. | 我不能提交财务报表。 |
| 426 | I couldn't issue securities, which of course we depend on. | 我无法发行证券,我们当然依赖它。 |
| 427 | We can't pass an audit. | 我们不能通过审计 |
| 428 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 429 | The federal government cannot pass an audit. | 联邦政府不能通过审计。 |
| 430 | It's impossible. | 这是不可能的。 |
| 431 | In order to pass an audit, you need the information necessary to pass an audit. | 为了通过审计,您需要通过审计所必需的信息. |
| 432 | You need to have the payment codes. | 你需要有支付代码。 |
| 433 | You need to have the payment explanation, and you need to have a person you can contact | 你需要付款解释, 你需要一个人你可以联系 |
| 434 | to understand why that payment was made. | 以理解为什么支付这笔钱。 |
| 435 | None of those things were mandatory until just recently, just a few weeks ago. | 直到最近,就在几周前,这些东西都没有强制性规定。 |
| 436 | In fact, maybe last week? | 事实上,也许上周? |
| 437 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 438 | We're serving 580 plus agencies, and up until very recently, effectively they could, say, | 我们正在服务 580+机构, 直到最近,有效 他们可以,说, |
| 439 | make the payment, and Treasury just sent it out as fast as possible. | 支付, 财政部刚刚发送出来 尽可能快。 |
| 440 | No verification, and so what we're doing is what any household would do. | 没有核实,所以我们做的是 任何家庭都会做的。 |
| 441 | But imagine you're a household. | 但想象你是一个家庭。 |
| 442 | You have a bank account. | 你有一个银行账户。 |
| 443 | Everyone has an ATM card connected to that account. | 每个人都有一个自动取款机卡 连接到那个账户。 |
| 444 | Everyone has a checkbook connected to that account. | 每个人都有一个支票簿 连接该账户。 |
| 445 | It's not just your children. | 这不仅仅是你的孩子们。 |
| 446 | It's not just your parents. | 这不仅仅是你的父母。 |
| 447 | It's your in-laws. | 这是你的姻亲。 |
| 448 | It's your extended family, and they all can go to the account and disperse funds. | 这是你的大家庭, 他们都可以去账户 分散资金。 |
| 449 | No questions asked, no justification, no verification. | 没有提问,没有正当理由,没有核查. |
| 450 | Up next, the Doge team targets government contracts, and we'll show you what they're finding. | 接下来,Doge团队的目标是政府合同, 我们会告诉你他们找到什么。 |
| 451 | Tyler Hasson, Interior Department. | 泰勒・哈森,内政部 |
| 452 | You're a former oil company CEO. | 你是前石油公司首席执行官 |
| 453 | You're reviewing contracts before they're approved for funding. | 你在审查合同 之前,他们被批准的资金。 |
| 454 | What do you find? | 你发现了什么? |
| 455 | Well, Elon and Steve kind of stole my thunder a little bit, but I actually found | 埃隆和史蒂夫偷了我的雷声 但我发现 |
| 456 | that customer service survey contract. | 那个客户服务调查合同 |
| 457 | I actually have an example of one right here. | 我这里有个例子 |
| 458 | I could have done this in high school, and I found it on the weekends, because under | 我本来可以在高中的时候做这个的 我在周末发现的 因为... |
| 459 | the Biden administration, there was no departmental oversight within the Department of Interior | 拜登政府,内政部没有部门监督 |
| 460 | whatsoever, none. | 随便,没有。 |
| 461 | We are now reviewing every single contract, every single grant, and when things come to | 我们现在审查每一个合同,每一个赠款, 当事情到来时, |
| 462 | my attention that don't make sense, I'm bringing them to Secretary Burgum, and he's been fantastic. | 我的注意力是没有道理的 我带他们去见Burgum国务卿 他非常棒 |
| 463 | He's a businessman. | 他是一个商人。 |
| 464 | He's very supportive of Doge. | 他非常支持多吉. |
| 465 | It's been wonderful to work with him. | 和他一起工作真是太棒了 |
| 466 | Is the battle between government of decades and decades of buildup and business, which | 数十年的建设和企业 之间的战争 |
| 467 | you guys are, is that like a train hitting each other? | 你们是,是像火车打对方? |
| 468 | I mean, it seems like it's pretty disruptive. | 我的意思是,它似乎 相当破坏性。 |
| 469 | Well, this is a revolution, and I think it might be the biggest revolution in government | 嗯,这是一场革命, 我认为这可能是政府最大的革命 |
| 470 | since the original revolution. | 从最初的革命。 |
| 471 | But at the end of the day, America is going to be in much better shape. | 但到头来,美国的情况会好得多。 |
| 472 | America will be solvent. | 美国是溶剂。 |
| 473 | The critical programs that people depend upon will work, and it's going to be a fantastic | 人们所依赖的关键节目会起作用, 这将是一个奇妙的 |
| 474 | future. | 未来 |
| 475 | But are we going to get a lot of complaints along the way? | 但是我们一路会收到很多抱怨吗? |
| 476 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 477 | One of the things I learned at PayPal was, you know who complains the loudest and with | 我在PayPal学到的一件事就是 你知道谁抱怨得最多 |
| 478 | the most amount of fake, righteous indignation? | 最假的,正义的愤慨? |
| 479 | The fraudsters. | 欺诈者。 |
| 480 | It's a tell. | 告众曰. |
| 481 | You understand. | 你明白吗? |
| 482 | NGOs that are crazy, like the $2 billion to Stacey Abrams NGO that basically didn't | 疯狂的非政府组织,像20亿美元给 Stacey Abrams 的非政府组织 基本上没有 |
| 483 | exist and suddenly gets $2 billion awarded from the federal government. | 并且突然从联邦政府得到20亿美元 |
| 484 | She says, why? | 她说,为什么? |
| 485 | And there are many such cases like that. | 也有很多这样的案例。 |
| 486 | I think that most people, common sense wise, would say the fraud's got to end. | 我认为,大多数人,常识明智, 会说欺诈必须结束。 |
| 487 | They're concerned about the 94-year-old mother who skips a check or somehow doesn't | 他们担心94岁的母亲 跳过支票或不知怎的 |
| 488 | get what she's supposed to get. | 得到她应该得到的。 |
| 489 | Right. | 对 |
| 490 | And what we're trying to say is actually that the 94-year-old grandmother is actually, | 我们想说的是 94岁的祖母其实是 |
| 491 | as a result of Joe Doge's work, going to get her check. | 因为Joe Doge的工作, 去得到她的支票。 |
| 492 | She's not going to be robbed by fraudsters like she's getting robbed today. | 她不会像今天被抢劫一样被诈骗者抢劫. |
| 493 | And the solvency of the federal government will ensure that she continues to receive | 联邦政府的偿付能力将确保她继续得到 |
| 494 | those social security checks, that Medicare continues to work, without which we're all | 那些社会保障检查, 医疗保险继续工作, 没有它,我们都 |
| 495 | doomed. | 命中注定。 |
| 496 | The reason we're doing this is because if we don't do it, America is going to go insolvent. | 我们这样做的原因是,如果我们不这样做,美国就会破产. |
| 497 | We're going to go bankrupt. | 我们要破产了 |
| 498 | And nobody's going to get anything. | 没有人会得到任何东西。 |
| 499 | Why are you guys all doing it? | 你们为什么都这样做? |
| 500 | You can pipe up, but you don't have to be here, right? | 你可以吸管,但你不必在这里,对不对? |
| 501 | You don't have to be doing this. | 你不必这样做。 |
| 502 | I have four, blessed with four beautiful children, my wife and I. | 我有四个,有四个美丽的孩子, 我的妻子和我。 |
| 503 | But we have a real fiscal crisis. | 但我们有真正的财政危机。 |
| 504 | And this is not sustainable. | 这是无法持续的。 |
| 505 | And what's worse, back to my children and everyone else's children, is we are burning | 更糟糕的是,回到我的孩子 和每个人的孩子,是我们正在燃烧 |
| 506 | them with that debt. | 带着那笔债 |
| 507 | And it's only going to grow. | 且只得增长. |
| 508 | Steve, there's not a lot of hierarchy here. | 史蒂夫,这里没有什么等级。 |
| 509 | You guys are kind of all approaching it in different silos. | 你们在不同的筒仓里接近它 |
| 510 | But with the same kind of goal, right? | 但目标是一样的,对吧? |
| 511 | I mean, this is really Silicon Valley private sector colliding with government. | 我的意思是,这是真正的硅谷 私营部门与政府碰撞。 |
| 512 | Yeah, exactly. | 没错 |
| 513 | And we're headed in a bad path. | 我们正走着一条坏路 |
| 514 | But the chance of success exists. | 但成功的机会是存在的。 |
| 515 | And just the one that is in my head right now, which is a fairly mundane one, but I | 只是一个在我脑海中 现在,这是一个相当普通的, 但我 |
| 516 | think is very illustrative, is credit cards. | 想想很能说明问题 信用卡 |
| 517 | There are, in the federal government, around 4.6 million credit cards for around 2.3 to | 在联邦政府中,大约有460万张信用卡,售价约2.3至3. |
| 518 | 2.4 million employees. | 240万职工. |
| 519 | This doesn't make sense. | 这不合理。 |
| 520 | And so one of the things all the teams have worked on is we've worked with the agencies | 团队的工作之一 就是我们和各机构合作过 |
| 521 | and said, do you need all of these credit cards? | 然后说,你需要所有这些信用卡吗? |
| 522 | Are they being used? | 他们被利用了吗? |
| 523 | Can you tell us physically where they are? | 你能告诉我们他们在哪吗? |
| 524 | I hope they're getting frequent flyers. | 我希望他们经常收到传单 |
| 525 | Actually, on a different note, the rewards program the federal government has is actually | 事实上,从另一个角度来说,联邦政府的奖励计划实际上是 |
| 526 | not very good. | 情况不太好 |
| 527 | That's a whole other— | 这是另一个... |
| 528 | It's a negotiation. | 商议. |
| 529 | Right, yeah, exactly. | 没错,没错 |
| 530 | But so far, the teams have worked together and they've reduced it from 4.6 million | 但到目前为止, 团队合作, 他们已经减少了 460万 |
| 531 | to 4.3 million. | 430万个。 |
| 532 | We're taking it easy. | 我们慢慢来 |
| 533 | Clearly, there should not be more credit cards than there are people. | 显然,不应该有比人更多的信用卡。 |
| 534 | Joe, middle-level employees, are they seeing a benefit to being empowered by taking out | 乔,中层员工,他们有没有看到通过外出获得权力的好处? |
| 535 | bureaucracy? | 官僚主义? |
| 536 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 537 | I think what you're seeing is taking the best of Silicon Valley in the business world | 我认为你看到的是 最好的硅谷 在商业世界 |
| 538 | and bringing it into the government. | 并把它带进政府。 |
| 539 | We're bringing the best practices and the best methodologies. | 我们正在引进最佳做法和最佳方法。 |
| 540 | And people are inspired, especially on the retirement process, which I can speak to. | 人们受到启发, 特别是在退休过程中, 我可以和他们交谈。 |
| 541 | They've been trying to modernize and get off of paper since the early 2000s, very | 从2000年代初开始 他们就一直试图实现现代化和脱纸 |
| 542 | unsuccessfully. | 失败。 |
| 543 | Every attempt has gone over budget and been canceled because it hasn't been successful. | 每一次尝试都超出预算,被取消,因为没有成功. |
| 544 | And so I showed up and I feel like I'm here because it's an interesting problem. | 所以我出现了,我觉得我在这里, 因为它是一个有趣的问题。 |
| 545 | We can use design to solve it and good engineering and really create a better experience for | 我们可以使用设计 来解决它和良好的工程 并真正创造更好的经验 |
| 546 | everybody. | 每个人。 |
| 547 | We're talking about elementary financial controls that are necessary for any company | 我们说的是任何公司都需要的基本财务控制 |
| 548 | to function. | 函数。 |
| 549 | So, like, if a commercial company operated the way the federal government does, then it | 所以,就像,如果一个商业公司 运行的方式联邦政府,然后它 |
| 550 | would immediately go bankrupt. | 会立即破产 |
| 551 | It would be delisted. | 将除名。 |
| 552 | The officers would be arrested. | 警官会被逮捕的 |
| 553 | The changes we're putting in place will enable the federal government to pass an audit. | 我们正在做出的改变将使联邦政府能够通过审计. |
| 554 | It will enable taxpayers to know where the money is going and know that their hard-earned | 这将使纳税人能够知道钱流向何处,知道他们来之不易 |
| 555 | tax dollars are being spent well. | 税收支出情况良好。 |
| 556 | The ways that the government is defrauded is that the computer systems don't talk to | 政府被欺骗的方式是 计算机系统不说话 |
| 557 | each other. | 彼此间. |
| 558 | So if the computer systems don't talk to each other, then you can exploit that gap and | 所以,如果计算机系统不 互相交谈, 那么你可以利用这个差距, |
| 559 | fraudsters exploit that gap to take advantage. | 欺诈者利用这一差距来利用。 |
| 560 | For example, there were over $300 million of small business administration loans that | 例如,有超过3亿美元的小企业管理贷款。 |
| 561 | has been given out to people under the age of 11. | 已经向11岁以下的人发放。 |
| 562 | Well, actually, to add to it, it's $300 million under the age of 11 and over $300 million | 实际上,加起来,11岁以下是3亿美元,超过3亿美元 |
| 563 | to over the age of 120. | 年满120岁。 |
| 564 | Small business loans, correct? | 小企业贷款 对吧? |
| 565 | Yes. | 对 |
| 566 | The oldest American is 114. | 最古老的美国人是114岁. |
| 567 | So it's safe to say if they're ages 115 or above, they're fake. | 所以可以安全地说,如果他们年龄在115岁或以上,他们是假的. |
| 568 | Or they should be in the Guinness Book of World Records. | 或者它们应该出现在世界纪录的吉尼斯书中. |
| 569 | We should not be giving out loans to babies. | 我们不应该向婴儿发放贷款。 |
| 570 | So the youngest recipient of a small business administration loan is a nine-month-old, | 所以小工商管理贷款最年轻的接受者 是9个月大的, |
| 571 | which is a very, very cautious baby we're talking about here. | 这是一个非常非常谨慎的婴儿 我们在这里谈论。 |
| 572 | So obviously, it was just fraudulent. | 很明显,它只是欺诈。 |
| 573 | They do terrible things. | 他们做可怕的事情。 |
| 574 | They actually will see that a kid's been born. | 他们真的会看到孩子出生了 |
| 575 | They will steal that kid's social security number and then take out a loan and leave | 他们偷那小子的社保号码 然后借钱走人 |
| 576 | that kid with a bad credit rating. | 那个信誉不好的孩子 |
| 577 | There was literally a baby. | 有一个婴儿 |
| 578 | The terrible things are being done is what we're saying. | 可怕的事情正在发生 是我们所说的。 |
| 579 | We're stopping these terrible things. | 我们要阻止这些可怕的事情。 |
| 580 | And you can stop it? | 你能阻止吗? |
| 581 | We are stopping it. | 我们正在阻止它。 |
| 582 | The reason this is happening is because the two systems are not talking to each other. | 之所以发生这种情况,是因为两个系统互不交谈。 |
| 583 | So you don't know at the small business administration that you're giving a loan | 所以,你不知道 在小企业管理部门 你提供贷款 |
| 584 | to a nine-month-old, which happened in one case, because you're not cross-referencing | 一个9个月大的, 在一个案件中发生的, 因为你没有交叉引用 |
| 585 | that with the social security administration data that has birth dates. | 有出生日期的社会保障管理部门的数据。 |
| 586 | So that very, very simple fix eliminates tremendous fraud. | 因此,非常,非常简单的固定消除了巨大的欺诈。 |
| 587 | There are multiple systems across the government where the systems are not speaking with one | 政府内部有多个系统 系统没有用一个说话 |
| 588 | another. | 另一个 |
| 589 | And if you just solve that simple problem, you would solve a huge amount of fraud. | 如果你解决了这个简单的问题, 你会解决大量的欺诈。 |
| 590 | One of the key tricks that the fraud says, Paul, is that they will use the fact that | 骗局的关键手法之一,保罗 是他们会利用这个事实 |
| 591 | someone is marked as live, just that that social security number is marked as live in | 有人被标记为活, 只是社会保障号码被标记为活 |
| 592 | social security, and then get disability and unemployment insurance for a dead person. | 社会保障,然后为死者提供残疾和失业保险。 |
| 593 | Because the databases don't talk to each other, all they got from social security is like, | 因为数据库不互相交谈, 他们从社会保障得到的只是, |
| 594 | is this person alive? | 这个人还活着吗? |
| 595 | Yes, they're not alive. | 是的,他们不是活着。 |
| 596 | The person is falsely marked as live in social security, but that fraudster can now get | 此人被错误地标记为在社会保障中生活,但欺诈者现在可以得到 |
| 597 | unemployment and disability from a dead person. | 失业和死亡导致的残疾。 |
| 598 | This is happening all the time at scale. | 这一切都在规模上发生。 |
| 599 | Are you surprised at some of the legal efforts and some of the judges that have weighed in? | 你对一些法律努力 和一些法官的影响力感到惊讶吗? |
| 600 | There's about eight or 10 now of these cases that are at least temporary holds. | 现在这些案子有八十个是至少暂时搁置的. |
| 601 | They're being challenged by the DOJ. | 他们正受到司法部的挑战 |
| 602 | Are you surprised by that pushback? | 你感到惊讶吗? |
| 603 | Well, the D.C. | 华盛顿 |
| 604 | Circuit is notorious for having a very far left bias. | 电路是臭名昭著的 有着非常左倾的偏见。 |
| 605 | And when you look at the people close to some of these judges, where are they working? | 当你看着接近这些法官的人 他们在哪里工作? |
| 606 | Are they working at these NGOs? | 他们是在这些非政府组织工作吗? |
| 607 | Are they the ones getting this money? | 是他们拿到钱的吗? |
| 608 | Does that seem like a system that lacks corruption? | 这似乎是一个缺乏腐败的制度吗? |
| 609 | It sounds like corruption to me. | 这听起来像腐败对我来说。 |
| 610 | Last thing, do you guys all see this as a patriotic duty? | 最后,你们都把这看作是爱国义务吗? |
| 611 | Is that really what this is about? | 这是真的吗? |
| 612 | It's essential. | 这是必需的。 |
| 613 | I do, 100%. | 是的,100%。 |
| 614 | I was running five businesses in Houston, and I left great people to do this. | 我在休斯敦办了五家企业 我留下了好人来做这个 |
| 615 | And my wonderful wife said, go for it. | 我美丽的妻子说,去。 |
| 616 | And here I am. | 我在这里 |
| 617 | But I feel like this is me giving back to the country. | 但我觉得这是我把国家还给我 |
| 618 | If we don't do this, we're sunk. | 如果我们不这样做,我们就被击沉了。 |
| 619 | Unless this exercise is successful, the ship of America will sink. | 除非这次演习成功,否则美舰将沉没. |
| 620 | That's why we're doing it. | 故为行. |
| 621 | Well, gentlemen, I really appreciate the time today. | 好了,先生们,我真的很感激今天的时间。 |
| 622 | And hopefully it took some of the myth and mystery out of DOJ | 希望这把神话和谜团 都从司法部带走了 |
| 623 | and what's happening behind the scenes. | 以及幕后发生的一切 |
| 624 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
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