JD万斯参加CBS新闻举办市民大会完整版 | 2026.10
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
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| 0:06 | A critical midterm election just days away. | 关键期中选举就在几天后举行。 |
| 0:10 | Are we ready to do what we need to do in November? | 我们准备好在11月做我们需要做的事了吗? |
| 0:13 | Americans are casting their ballots with everything on the line. | 美国人正在投他们的选票,一切在线上。 |
| 0:16 | The battle for Congress. | 国会之战. |
| 0:18 | Will Republicans still control the balance of power? | 共和党人还会控制权力的平衡吗? |
| 0:21 | Americans, you my friends, that's who we fight for. | 美国人,我的朋友,这就是我们为之奋斗的 |
| 0:24 | Tonight, CBS News presents Things That Matter with Vice President J.D. | 今晚,CBS新闻向副总裁J. D. |
| 0:30 | Vance. | 万斯(原变种). |
| 0:31 | We're doing everything that we can to bring down prices. | 我们正在竭尽全力降低价格。 |
| 0:33 | What is the Trump administration's strategy on affordability and to end the war in Iran? | 特朗普政府关于可负担性和结束伊朗战争的战略是什么?. |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | A critical midterm election just days away. | 关键期中选举就在几天后举行。 |
| 2 | Are we ready to do what we need to do in November? | 我们准备好在11月做我们需要做的事了吗? |
| 3 | Americans are casting their ballots with everything on the line. | 美国人正在投他们的选票,一切在线上。 |
| 4 | The battle for Congress. | 国会之战. |
| 5 | Will Republicans still control the balance of power? | 共和党人还会控制权力的平衡吗? |
| 6 | Americans, you my friends, that's who we fight for. | 美国人,我的朋友,这就是我们为之奋斗的 |
| 7 | Tonight, CBS News presents Things That Matter with Vice President J.D. | 今晚,CBS新闻向副总裁J. D. |
| 8 | Vance. | 万斯(原变种). |
| 9 | We're doing everything that we can to bring down prices. | 我们正在竭尽全力降低价格。 |
| 10 | What is the Trump administration's strategy on affordability and to end the war in Iran? | 特朗普政府关于可负担性和结束伊朗战争的战略是什么?. |
| 11 | 威尔·J. D. | |
| 12 | Vance make a presidential run in 2028? | 万斯在2028年举行总统竞选? |
| 13 | All of these answers and more tonight. | 所有这些答案 和更多的今晚。 |
| 14 | A CBS News Town Hall starts right now. | 一个CBS新闻市政厅现在开始 |
| 15 | And good evening, I'm Tony Dacopo. | 晚上好,我是托尼・达科波。 |
| 16 | Thank you all for joining us tonight for this CBS News | 感谢大家今晚来参加CBS新闻 |
| 17 | Things That Matter Town Hall right here in Flat Rock, Michigan. | 在密歇根州平岩镇的市政厅里 |
| 18 | We are just over two weeks away from a midterm election | 我们离中期选举只有两周多 |
| 19 | that may alter the course of the Trump-Vance administration. | 可能会改变特朗普 -万斯政府的路线 |
| 20 | And few states matter more than this one right here. | 很少有州比这州更重要 |
| 21 | In fact, this could be the one that determines control of the U.S. Senate. | 事实上,这可能是决定对美国参议院的控制. |
| 22 | And the race between Democratic candidate Abdul El-Sayed | 民主党候选人阿卜杜勒·赛义德的比赛 |
| 23 | and Republican Mike Rogers is a toss-up. | 而共和党人迈克·罗杰斯 是一个掷球。 |
| 24 | It's also a tough year for Republicans overall. | 对共和党人来说,这总的来说也是艰难的一年. |
| 25 | The president's approval rating has plummeted 14 points since the start of his term. | 总统的批准评级自任期开始以来大幅下降14分. |
| 26 | And the same voters who sent the Trump administration back to the White House in 2024 | 2024年派特朗普政府回白宫的选民 |
| 27 | are now deciding whether this election they want to instead send Trump a message. | 现在决定选举是否要向特朗普发出讯息。 |
| 28 | Tonight, voters will get an opportunity to ask their urgent questions | 今晚,选民们将有机会提出紧急问题 |
| 29 | to the vice president of the United States, J.D. | 致美国副总统J.D. |
| 30 | Vance, | 万斯 万斯 万斯 万斯 |
| 31 | who at an earlier point in his life might have been among those swing voters. | 在他生命的早期 可能就是那些摇摆不定的选民 |
| 32 | Vance grew up just a few hours south of here in Middletown, Ohio. | 范斯在俄亥俄州米德尔敦南边长大 |
| 33 | He served in Iraq, went to Yale Law School, | 他在伊拉克服役,上耶鲁法学院 |
| 34 | and then worked as an investor before Ohio sent him to the U.S. Senate in 2022. | 并在2022年俄亥俄州送他去美国参议院前担任投资人. |
| 35 | Just two years later, he was Donald Trump's running mate, | 仅仅两年后 他是唐纳德·特朗普的竞选搭档 |
| 36 | and he is now widely seen as the early front-runner | 他现在被广泛视为 早期的前卫 |
| 37 | for his party's 2028 nomination for president. | 他的党的2028年总统提名。 |
| 38 | We have a lot to talk about, so let's get started. | 我们有很多话要谈,我们开始吧 |
| 39 | Vice President Vance, thank you very much for being here. | 万斯副总统 非常感谢你的到来 |
| 40 | Good to see you. | 很高兴见到你。 |
| 41 | Thank you for doing this, and thanks to everybody for being here. | 谢谢你做这些,感谢大家来到这里。 |
| 42 | I will say, Tony, you did me a huge disservice | 我会说,托尼,你给我带来了很大的伤害 |
| 43 | by reminding a crowd of Michiganders that I'm from Ohio. | 提醒一群密歇根人 我来自俄亥俄州 |
| 44 | But hopefully, hopefully they will hold against me. | 但希望他们能反对我 |
| 45 | Not only that, we've got a medallion back there for the Ohio State Buckeyes. | 不仅如此,我们还为俄亥俄州立白凯队 准备了一枚勋章 |
| 46 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 47 | Yeah, it might be stolen before the night is over. | 是的,它可能是在晚上结束前被偷走的。 |
| 48 | We just lost the crowd. | 我们只是失去了人群。 |
| 49 | I know. | 我知道,我记得 |
| 50 | Look, we are just over two weeks away from a major midterm election, | 听着 我们离重大中期选举只有两周了 |
| 51 | and there are some very tight Senate races, | 有一些非常紧张的参议院种族, |
| 52 | closer than I think a lot of people expected. | 比我想象的要亲近 |
| 53 | In fact, your former Senate seat in Ohio could flip to the Democrats. | 事实上,你以前在俄亥俄州的参议院席位 可能会被民主党所取代 |
| 54 | I'm thinking also about Kansas, Alaska, Iowa, maybe most surprisingly, Texas. | 我也在想堪萨斯州,阿拉斯加,爱荷华州 也许最令人惊讶的是德克萨斯州 |
| 55 | And the Democrats only need to pick up a net of four seats to take control. | 而民主党只需要拿起一个4个席位的网来控制. |
| 56 | Are you nervous? | 你紧张吗? |
| 57 | No, I'm not nervous because I fundamentally trust the judgment of the American people. | 不,我不紧张 因为我基本上相信 美国人民的判断。 |
| 58 | I mean, whenever you get into election season, | 我的意思是,每当你进入选举季节, |
| 59 | there are always races that you look at and say, | 总是有种族 你看着并说, |
| 60 | how are we close in that race or how is that race so close? | 我们如何接近在那个种族, 或是什么种族是如此接近? |
| 61 | I mean, you've pointed out some Republican-leaning states that are maybe tight, | 我的意思是,你指出一些 共和党的州 可能很紧, |
| 62 | but we're also competing in Maine, a state that Kamala Harris won by eight points. | 但我们也在缅因州竞争 卡马拉哈里斯以8分获胜 |
| 63 | We're competing, I think, very, very well in Minnesota, | 我们在竞争,我想,非常,非常好 在明尼苏达州, |
| 64 | a state that Kamala Harris won by a pretty comfortable margin. | 卡玛拉哈里斯以相当舒适的优势获胜 |
| 65 | So, you know, the nature of these races is that you get out there, | 所以,你知道,这些种族的本质 就是你在那里得到, |
| 66 | you make the best case you can to the American people, | 你为美国人民做你能做的最好的事 |
| 67 | and they ultimately get to decide. | 他们最终会决定的 |
| 68 | And on this matter, I am one vote out of many. | 在这个问题上,我只投过一票。 |
| 69 | I'm going to vote for John Huston for Senator in Ohio. | 我要投票给约翰·赫斯顿 俄亥俄州参议员 |
| 70 | I think he's going to win. | 我觉得他会赢的 |
| 71 | But all you can do is make your argument to the American people, | 但你所能做的就是向美国人民提出你的论点, |
| 72 | and they get the opportunity to decide. | 他们有机会决定 |
| 73 | Well, you're making the argument here in the state of Michigan, | 你在密歇根州争论 |
| 74 | and this is one of those races that could decide the outcome, | 这是能决定结果的种族之一 |
| 75 | who controls the Senate. | 谁控制参议院。 |
| 76 | And it's closer than I think a lot of people expected. | 这比很多人预期的要近 |
| 77 | It's close in part because there are some Trump voters from 2024 | 部分是因为2024年有一些特朗普选民 |
| 78 | who have now switched to say, | 他们现在转身说, |
| 79 | I'm going to vote for a Democrat this time around. | 这次我要投票给民主党 |
| 80 | I'm going to vote for Abdul El-Sayed. | 我要投给阿卜杜勒·赛义德 |
| 81 | And in fact, we have one of those voters here tonight, | 事实上,我们有一个选民 今晚在这里, |
| 82 | Keyshawn Wheaton. | 凯许恩惠顿. |
| 83 | He's a 43-year-old barber. | 43岁理发师. |
| 84 | Keyshawn, where are you? | Keyshawn,你在哪里? ! 你在哪里? 你在哪里? 你在哪里? |
| 85 | He's got a question for the vice president. | 他有个问题要问副总统 |
| 86 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 87 | Greetings, Mr. Vice President. | 你好,副总统先生。 |
| 88 | My name is Keyshawn Wheaton from Detroit, | 我是底特律的凯许恩・惠顿 |
| 89 | and I voted for Trump in 2020 and 2024 | 我在2020年和2024年投票给特朗普 |
| 90 | because I saw the gas prices fall during his first term. | 因为我看到天然气价格在他第一个任期内下跌。 |
| 91 | It's low as $117 a gallon in Detroit, | 底特律一加仑低到117美元 |
| 92 | and now I'm paying $433 a gallon for gas. | 现在我付433美元一加仑的汽油。 |
| 93 | And I wanted to know, what aren't we doing | 我想知道,我们在做什么 |
| 94 | that we could be doing to obtain the previous | 我们可以做 获得之前 |
| 95 | Trump administration's gas prices? | 特朗普政府的天然气价格? |
| 96 | And also, I plan on voting for El-Sayed | 还有 我打算投票给赛义德 |
| 97 | in this upcoming election, and I wanted to know, | 在这次即将到来的选举中 我想知道 |
| 98 | why should I vote for Mike Rogers instead? | 我为什么要投给迈克·罗杰斯? |
| 99 | OK. | 摆 |
| 100 | Well, I really appreciate that, man, | 我真的很感激,伙计, |
| 101 | and appreciate the question. | 并赞赏这个问题。 |
| 102 | And obviously, the support in 2024. | 显然,2024年的支持。 |
| 103 | I'm vice president because of it. | 我是副总统,因为。 |
| 104 | But I think that, first of all, I recognize that gas prices | 但我认为,首先,我承认天然气价格 |
| 105 | are too high right now. | 现在太高了 |
| 106 | And I think it's important to be honest about why | 我觉得必须说实话 为什么 |
| 107 | they are so elevated. | 他们是如此高。 |
| 108 | And there are a few different things going on. | 并有几种不同之事. |
| 109 | So the first thing that's going on, obviously, | 因此,第一件事 发生,很明显, |
| 110 | is what's happening in the Middle East, particularly | 中东正在发生的事情,特别是 |
| 111 | the fact that the Iranians are shooting at every commercial | 伊朗人正在拍摄每部广告 |
| 112 | ship that they can. | 他们可以的船。 |
| 113 | It's a global energy market, so that's pushing up | 这是一个全球性的能源市场,所以这正在推动 |
| 114 | the price of fuel everywhere. | 到处都是燃料的价格 |
| 115 | But there are also a lot of things that we've done already | 但我们也做了很多事情 |
| 116 | to lower fuel prices and, frankly, to keep | 降低燃料价格,坦率地说,保持 |
| 117 | them from going even higher. | 他们从更高的。 |
| 118 | We've never had a situation like this | 我们从未有过这样的情况 |
| 119 | where you have effectively the largest state sponsor | 您拥有最大的国家赞助商 |
| 120 | of terrorism that's trying to completely choke off | 试图完全窒息的恐怖主义 |
| 121 | world energy supply. | 世界能源供应。 |
| 122 | The fact is that if we just left and we let the Iranians | 事实是,如果我们刚刚离开 我们让伊朗人 |
| 123 | control shipping out of the Strait of Hormuz, what that | 控制霍穆兹海峡外的航运,什么? |
| 124 | would mean is you would pay a lot more for gasoline. | 意思是你会付更多汽油费 |
| 125 | There are also other things that we, frankly, | 坦率地说,还有其他事情 |
| 126 | should have been doing years ago and we are now | 几年前就应该这样了 我们现在就 |
| 127 | doing quite affirmatively. | 相当肯定。 |
| 128 | So a couple of days ago, I was in Texas, | 几天前 我在德克萨斯州 |
| 129 | and we announced that we were going to use what's | 我们宣布我们打算使用 |
| 130 | called the Defense Production Act to massively increase | 所谓的国防生产法 大幅增加 |
| 131 | the amount of refining capacity that we have in the United | 我们在联合国的炼油能力 |
| 132 | States of America. | 美利坚合众国。 |
| 133 | That's actually the biggest reason why gas prices | 这其实是气价最大的原因 |
| 134 | are so high is because when Joe Biden was president, | 这么高是因为乔·拜登当上总统时 |
| 135 | we had about 20% of American refining capacity | 我们拥有20%的美国炼油能力 |
| 136 | that went offline. | 离线了 |
| 137 | We're slowly bringing that online, | 我们慢慢地把那个放到网上 |
| 138 | but it does take a little bit of time. | 但它确实需要一点时间。 |
| 139 | And because we shut down so much refining capacity, | 因为我们关闭了很多炼油能力 |
| 140 | we were more susceptible to the shock that we've seen | 我们更容易受到我们所看到的冲击 |
| 141 | in the Middle Eastern energy prices. | 中东能源价格。 |
| 142 | So there's a lot that we are doing. | 因此,我们做了很多事情。 |
| 143 | It's just we also are working against an Iranian regime | 只是我们也在对抗伊朗政权 |
| 144 | that's shooting at commercial shipping. | 这是射击商业航运。 |
| 145 | But I'd like to advance. | 但我想继续前进 |
| 146 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 147 | If I may, Keyshawn's talking about this increase | 如果可以的话,Keyshawn说的是这个增加 |
| 148 | in gas prices just since you guys took office. | 你们上任后 气价就涨了 |
| 149 | It's almost been two years. | 差不多两年了 |
| 150 | At a certain point, it becomes your economy, | 在某一时刻,它成为你的经济, |
| 151 | not Joe Biden's economy. | 不是乔·拜登的经济 |
| 152 | Also, back in March, right here in Michigan, | 而且,回到3月, 就在密歇根州, |
| 153 | you said it was just a temporary blip in gas prices. | 你说这只是临时的气价波动 |
| 154 | How long is temporary? | 临时多久? |
| 155 | Well, look, I don't think that when this conflict is over, | 好吧,你看,我不认为 当这场冲突结束, |
| 156 | we are going to see gas prices come down. | 我们将看到天然气价格下跌。 |
| 157 | But it takes two to tango. | 但探戈需要两个 |
| 158 | And what's happening right now in the Middle East | 而现在在中东发生的事情 |
| 159 | is that you have these terrorists who | 就是这些恐怖分子 |
| 160 | are shooting at all these ships. | 正在射击所有这些船只。 |
| 161 | They're blowing up the ships. | 他们炸毁了船只。 |
| 162 | They're blowing up world energy markets in the process. | 在这个过程中它们正在炸毁世界能源市场. |
| 163 | And what we've tried to do, we've actually | 而我们试图做的,我们实际上 |
| 164 | gotten more oil and gas out of the Middle East | 从中东得到更多的石油和天然气 |
| 165 | than we've had in a very long time. | 比我们在很长一段时间。 |
| 166 | That's because, frankly, our troops are | 那是因为,坦白说,我们的部队 |
| 167 | doing incredibly brave work. | 做令人难以置信的勇敢的工作。 |
| 168 | And we're the only people in the world that | 我们是世界上唯一一个 |
| 169 | could actually do it. | 其实可以做到这一点。 |
| 170 | And I guess that, Kishan, what I would argue to you is, yes, | 我猜, 祁山, 我想跟你争论的是, 是的, |
| 171 | I'm very aware. | 知见甚深. |
| 172 | And look, you probably know my story. | 你看,你也许知道我的故事。 |
| 173 | I grew up in a working class family. | 我在一个工人阶级家庭长大的. |
| 174 | When gas prices were high, I know that it | 当气价高的时候,我知道 |
| 175 | made my grandmother suffer. | 让我的祖母痛苦。 |
| 176 | And I'm sure that you're struggling with it | 我敢肯定,你正在挣扎 |
| 177 | in a variety of ways. | 在许多方面。 |
| 178 | But what I would say is, what is Abdul El-Sayed saying about it? | 但我想说的是,阿卜杜勒·赛义德到底在说什么? |
| 179 | And what is Mike Rogers saying about it? | 迈克·罗杰斯怎么说? |
| 180 | And what are their actual ideas to fix the problem? | 他们解决问题的实际想法是什么? |
| 181 | And what I'd say is, we drew down way too much oil and gas | 我想说的是,我们削减了太多石油和天然气 |
| 182 | capacity. | 能力。 |
| 183 | And we drew down way too much refining capacity. | 我们削减了太多的精炼能力。 |
| 184 | We are bringing that stuff online. | 我们要把这些东西放到网上 |
| 185 | But it does take a little bit of time. | 但它确实需要一点时间。 |
| 186 | Now, I see what Abdul El-Sayed says about the war in Iran. | 我看到阿卜杜勒·赛义德对伊朗战争的看法。 |
| 187 | I see he criticizing decisions that the president has made, | 我看到他批评总统的决定, |
| 188 | the military has made. | 军队已经创造了。 |
| 189 | But fundamentally, we are where we are. | 但从根本上讲,我们已身处此地。 |
| 190 | And you have to, in my view, I'd like to know, | 你必须,在我看来, 我想知道, |
| 191 | what is Abdul El-Sayed's solution for the problem | 阿卜杜勒·赛义德的解决方案是什么? |
| 192 | that we have right now? | 我们现在有了? |
| 193 | It's easy to criticize something that happened seven months ago. | 7个月前发生的事情很容易批评. |
| 194 | And the reason why I think Mike Rogers is | 我认为迈克·罗杰斯是 |
| 195 | going to make a great senator is because he's fundamentally | 做一个伟大的参议员是因为 他从根本上 |
| 196 | a problem solver. | 问题解决者。 |
| 197 | By the way, one of the points I want to make on this, Tony, | 顺便说一句 我想说的其中一点 托尼 |
| 198 | is he's been remarkably independent about this. | 他对此很独立 |
| 199 | It's not easy for a Republican who's running for Senate | 竞选参议院的共和党人不容易 |
| 200 | in Michigan to say, for example, we got to bring this conflict | 比如说,在密歇根州,我们必须 带来这场冲突 |
| 201 | to a close. | 结束 |
| 202 | He has done that, shown a willingness, | 他这样做,表现出了意愿, |
| 203 | I think, to stand against his own party on that. | 我认为,反对他自己的党 关于这一点。 |
| 204 | So I think Mike is a courageous guy. | 所以我觉得迈克是个勇敢的人 |
| 205 | But most importantly, he's a problem solver. | 但最重要的是,他是一个解决问题的人。 |
| 206 | And there's a lot that we are doing right now | 现在还有很多事情要做 |
| 207 | to work against those rising energy prices. | 对抗那些不断上涨的能源价格。 |
| 208 | It's too high, but we're working on it. | 太高了,但我们正在努力 |
| 209 | You know, thank you, Kishan. | 谢谢你,祁山 |
| 210 | I appreciate it. | 谢谢 |
| 211 | Vice President Vance, you didn't campaign you and President Trump | 万斯副总统,你没有竞选 你和川普总统 |
| 212 | on it's going to take time, Rome wasn't built in a day, | 罗马不是一天之内建成的 |
| 213 | you've got to be patient. | 你得耐心点 |
| 214 | And there are voters here who are wondering, | 这里有选民在想 |
| 215 | when are the benefits of their vote in 2024 | 他们2024年的投票是什么时候产生的? |
| 216 | going to show up in their bank accounts? | 要出现在他们的银行账户里吗? |
| 217 | And we do have one voter here like that. | 我们这里确实有一个这样的选民。 |
| 218 | It's Sandy Johnson. | 我是桑迪·约翰逊 |
| 219 | She's from Woodhaven, Michigan. | 她来自密歇根州的伍德哈芬. |
| 220 | Sandy, could you? | 桑迪,你能吗? |
| 221 | There she is. | 她来了 |
| 222 | Sandy, the floor is yours. | 桑迪,这地板是你的。 |
| 223 | You've got a question. | 问曰. |
| 224 | I'm so nervous. | 我很紧张 |
| 225 | Don't be nervous. | 别紧张 |
| 226 | It's all right, don't worry. | 没关系,别担心 |
| 227 | Sandy, I'm nervous too. | 珊迪,我也很紧张 |
| 228 | You just got to power through it. | 你刚刚得到了通过它的力量。 |
| 229 | Thank you for this opportunity. | 谢谢你给我这个机会 |
| 230 | I really appreciate it. | 我真的很感谢你 |
| 231 | President Trump, when he was campaigning, | 川普总统竞选时 |
| 232 | he promised a golden age of economy if he got elected. | 他承诺,如果他当选,将进入经济的黄金时代。 |
| 233 | Ever since the president has been elected, | 自从总统当选后 |
| 234 | our business, an amusement center, a restaurant, and bar | 我们的生意 娱乐中心 餐厅 酒吧 |
| 235 | has struggled. | 已经挣扎了。 |
| 236 | We're barely making ends meet. | 我们几乎没完没了 |
| 237 | Your administration has done many good positive things | 你的政府做了许多好事 |
| 238 | that we're very grateful for, | 我们非常感谢, |
| 239 | but none of it has really trickled down to our business. | 但没有一个真的 渗透到我们的业务。 |
| 240 | What is being done to change the economy | 正在采取哪些措施来改变经济 |
| 241 | so that the normal American has money to spend | 让普通美国人有钱花钱 |
| 242 | on small businesses like ours? | 像我们这样的小生意? |
| 243 | We understand these things take time, | 我们知道这些事情需要时间 |
| 244 | but when can we expect to see a change? | 但我们何时能看到变化? |
| 245 | Sandy, can I ask what your business is? | 桑迪,我能问你的生意吗? |
| 246 | I know, Kishnell, you're a barber. | 我知道 Kishnell 你是个理发师 |
| 247 | Is that right? | 是吗? |
| 248 | What's your business, Sandy? | 桑迪,你有什么事吗? |
| 249 | It's a family entertainment center. | 家庭娱乐中心. |
| 250 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 251 | So first of all, there are some things that we've done | 所以首先,我们做了一些事情 |
| 252 | that I'm very, very proud of. | 我非常,非常骄傲。 |
| 253 | No taxes on overtime, no taxes on tips, | 不征收加班费,不征收小费 |
| 254 | no taxes on people who are earning social security income, | 对正在赚取社会保障收入的人不征税, |
| 255 | which my attitude is you paid into this your entire life. | 我的态度是 你付出了一生。 |
| 256 | Why is it being taxed on the way out | 为什么在外出时被征税 |
| 257 | when it comes back into your pocket? | 当它回到你的口袋? |
| 258 | We've eliminated those taxes, | 我们取消了这些税 |
| 259 | and that hopefully is going to create more money. | 而这有望创造更多的资金。 |
| 260 | I think it already has created more money this tax season. | 我想这个纳税季节已经创造了更多的钱 |
| 261 | We had the best tax season in American history | 我们有美国历史上最好的纳税季节 |
| 262 | in terms of refunds for Americans, | 美国人的退款 |
| 263 | and that's going to put more money into your pockets. | 这会把更多的钱 进入你的口袋。 |
| 264 | But I take your point that this hasn't flown | 但我认为你没有飞过 |
| 265 | down to your business entirely. | 完全归你管 |
| 266 | And I want to just be honest about this | 我想说实话 |
| 267 | because, Tony, you made a point. | 因为,托尼,你讲到重点了 |
| 268 | You said we didn't campaign on Rome, | 你说我们没有竞选罗马 |
| 269 | wasn't built in a day, | 不是在一天之内建成的 |
| 270 | but I think fundamentally if you go back | 但我认为如果你回去 |
| 271 | to the speeches that I was making | 我当时的演讲 |
| 272 | and that President Trump was making, | 而特朗普总统正在做, |
| 273 | what broke the United States, | 是什么打破了美国, |
| 274 | as much as I might like to criticize Joe Biden, | 虽然我想批评乔拜登 |
| 275 | but it was a bipartisan multi-generational failure | 但这是两党多代的失败 |
| 276 | to under invest in American workers, | 对美国工人的投资不足, |
| 277 | to under invest in American manufacturing, | 投资不足 美国制造业, |
| 278 | to ship all of our good jobs overseas. | 把我们的好工作都送到海外 |
| 279 | And of course, if all the good jobs are overseas, | 当然 如果所有好工作都在国外 |
| 280 | then people here in Michigan | 然后有人在这里密歇根州 |
| 281 | can't spend money at your family business. | 不能在家族事业上花钱 |
| 282 | And what we have tried to do, | 而我们试图做的, |
| 283 | and I think that we've already seen | 我想我们已经看到了 |
| 284 | some significant signs of progress. | 一些重大的进展迹象。 |
| 285 | We've seen over a million jobs created | 已经创造了一百多万个工作 |
| 286 | since Donald Trump was president. | 自从唐纳德·特朗普担任总统以来 |
| 287 | By the way, those jobs, | 对了 那些工作 |
| 288 | unlike in the last administration, | 不像上届政府 |
| 289 | all of the net job growth | 所有净就业增长 |
| 290 | went to American citizens | 去了美国公民那里 |
| 291 | rather than under the Biden administration | 而不是由拜登政府管理 |
| 292 | went to the foreign born. | 去外国出生。 |
| 293 | You're seeing $11 trillion | 你看见了11兆 |
| 294 | of new investment coming | 新的投资 |
| 295 | to the United States of America. | 给美利坚合众国的普通照会 |
| 296 | Now, where you see that | 现在,当你看到 |
| 297 | in the jobs numbers right now, | 在工作号码,现在, |
| 298 | and if you think about it, | 如果你考虑一下, |
| 299 | it kind of makes sense. | 有点道理 |
| 300 | I was like, why are we seeing more | 我想,我们为什么看到更多 |
| 301 | in construction than manufacturing? | 在建筑业比制造业? |
| 302 | And somebody said, well, | 有人说 |
| 303 | you got to build the factories first. | 你要先建工厂 |
| 304 | That's the construction. | 这就是建筑。 |
| 305 | And then the manufacturing jobs come online. | 然后制造业的工作上线。 |
| 306 | And in Michigan, GM, Ford, | 在密歇根,GM,福特, |
| 307 | we've seen massive, | 我们已经看到了巨大的, |
| 308 | Stellantis, massive new investments | 斯特兰蒂斯,大规模新投资 |
| 309 | in Michigan auto factories. | 在密歇根汽车工厂。 |
| 310 | And so what I really believe, | 因此,我真正相信的是, |
| 311 | and I grew up in a town | 我在一个小镇长大 |
| 312 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}就像隔年一样 | |
| 313 | or maybe every other month, | 或者每隔一个月 |
| 314 | you would see some new factory closed down. | 你会看到一些新的工厂关闭。 |
| 315 | You'd find out that some friend of yours | 你会发现你的某个朋友 |
| 316 | lost their job or their dad lost their job. | 失去工作或他们的父亲失去工作。 |
| 317 | Their mom lost their gainful employment. | 他们的妈妈失去了有报酬的工作。 |
| 318 | And it's not just a wage. | 这不仅仅是工资 |
| 319 | It's also your sense of dignity and purpose. | 这也是你的尊严和使命感. |
| 320 | Is that mistake happened over my entire life. | 那是我一辈子都搞错了吗? |
| 321 | Closing down factories | 关闭工厂 |
| 322 | rather than reinvesting in America | 而不是在美国再投资 |
| 323 | and American workers. | 还有美国工人 |
| 324 | We are turning the tide on this. | 我们正在扭转这个趋势。 |
| 325 | And I think there are all these things | 我想这些东西都存在 |
| 326 | I pointed to that show signs of progress. | 我指出了这一进展的迹象。 |
| 327 | But Sandy, I'll be the first person to tell you | 但是桑迪,我会第一个告诉你 |
| 328 | that just as this country wasn't broken | 就像这个国家没有崩溃一样 |
| 329 | in one presidential term, | 在一个总统任期内, |
| 330 | it's going to take more than 18 months | 要花超过18个月 |
| 331 | to fix things and turn them around. | 来修补事情,并扭转它们。 |
| 332 | So Vice President Vance, | 副总统万斯 |
| 333 | there's a big difference | 有一个很大的区别 |
| 334 | between what you're saying right now | 你刚才说的话 |
| 335 | and what President Trump says | 以及川普总统说的话 |
| 336 | when he's out on the trail. | 当他出轨时 |
| 337 | He says it's an A-plus economy. | 他说这是一种A+经济. |
| 338 | You say it's going to take time. | 你说这需要时间。 |
| 339 | You say you're frustrated at times. | 你说你有时候很沮丧 |
| 340 | Which is it? | 是哪个? |
| 341 | Well, I think that what the president is saying | 我想总统说的 |
| 342 | is that we are seeing all of these | 我们正看到所有这些 |
| 343 | massive new investments | 大规模新投资 |
| 344 | come into our country. | 来到我们的国家。 |
| 345 | But he would be the first person to tell you | 但他会是第一个告诉你的人 |
| 346 | that you got to build the factories first | 你要先建工厂 |
| 347 | before you can employ the workers | 在雇用工人之前 |
| 348 | working in those factories. | 在那些工厂工作 |
| 349 | But to her point, | 但对于她来说, |
| 350 | it's not an A-plus economy | 这不是一个A+经济 |
| 351 | if you heard stories like this. | 如果你听到这样的故事。 |
| 352 | Well, I think what we're doing | 好吧,我想我们在做什么 |
| 353 | is we're turning the ship around, Sandy. | 我们要把船转过来,桑迪 |
| 354 | That's what I would say. | 我会这么说的 |
| 355 | And I really do believe that rather, | 我真的相信这一点, |
| 356 | you know, and frankly, | 老实说, |
| 357 | it was the Democrats and Republicans | 是民主党和共和党 |
| 358 | who pursued what I would call | 他们追随我所说的, |
| 359 | a sugar-high economy, | 高糖经济, |
| 360 | where you just kick the can down the road. | 你只是把罐子踢到路边 |
| 361 | You don't try to solve the fundamental issues. | 你不试图解决根本问题。 |
| 362 | It's your point about what the president | 这是你的重点 关于什么总统 |
| 363 | has said and what he's done. | 已经说了,他做了什么。 |
| 364 | Sandy, I've sat in a lot of meetings | 桑迪,我参加过很多会议 |
| 365 | with the president in the Oval Office. | 总统在总统办公室 |
| 366 | And it's interesting where people | 有趣的是人们 |
| 367 | will come to him and say, | 将来到他那里,说: |
| 368 | well, why are you doing this? | 你为什么要这么做? |
| 369 | This is hard. | 这很难。 |
| 370 | Just do the easy thing. | 做简单的事吧 |
| 371 | Just do the politically popular thing. | 只是做政治流行的事情。 |
| 372 | And sometimes he'll say, | 有时他会说, |
| 373 | because America was broken | 因为美国崩溃了 |
| 374 | by politicians doing the easy thing | 政客们做的轻松的事 |
| 375 | and doing the politically popular thing. | 和做政治流行的事情。 |
| 376 | Sometimes you've got to be willing | 有时候你必须愿意 |
| 377 | to do the hard things, | 做艰难的事情, |
| 378 | and those things take time. | 那些东西需要时间。 |
| 379 | And by the way, Sandy, | 对了,桑迪, |
| 380 | there are things that we look, | 有些东西我们看, |
| 381 | we need to do more | 我们需要做更多 |
| 382 | and we can certainly do better. | 我们当然可以做得更好。 |
| 383 | One of the things I'm proudest of | 我最骄傲的一件事 |
| 384 | is that we at the Small Business Administration, | 我们是在小企业管理局, |
| 385 | I'm sure an agency that is very close | 我敢肯定,一个非常接近的机构 |
| 386 | to your heart, we've uncovered | 对你的心脏,我们已经发现了 |
| 387 | tens of billions of dollars of fraud | 数百亿美元的欺诈 |
| 388 | so that we can make better | 这样我们才能更好 |
| 389 | small business loans | 小企业贷款 |
| 390 | to businesses like yours. | 给像你这样的企业 |
| 391 | We want the money to go to you | 我们要钱交给你 |
| 392 | and not to the fraudster. | 而不是对骗子。 |
| 393 | So there are things that we're doing | 所以有些事情我们正在做 |
| 394 | and we've just got to keep working at it. | 我们只能继续努力 |
| 395 | And I go back to the Kishan's point here | 我回到基山的点 |
| 396 | and I'll just be very brief on this. | 我将非常简短地谈论这一点。 |
| 397 | But when I hear the Democrats, | 但当我听到民主党的声音时, |
| 398 | what I hear very often | 我经常听到的 |
| 399 | is them complaining about problems, | 他们是在抱怨问题, |
| 400 | sometimes problems | 有时有问题 |
| 401 | that they themselves created. | 那是他们自己创造的。 |
| 402 | When a Democrat talks to me | 当一个民主党人跟我说话 |
| 403 | about high energy prices | 关于高能源价格 |
| 404 | and that same Democrat | 和同一个民主党人 |
| 405 | supported the Green New Deal, | 支持绿色新政, |
| 406 | I say, you are the reason | 我说,你就是原因 |
| 407 | why this happened | 为什么发生这种事 |
| 408 | and we are trying to fix it. | 我们正试图修复它。 |
| 409 | But I'm not going to lie to you | 但我不会骗你的 |
| 410 | and tell you that it's going | 并告诉你,这是去 |
| 411 | to be fixed overnight. | 被整顿一夜。 |
| 412 | We've made a lot of progress, | 我们已经取得了很大进展, |
| 413 | but there's a lot more to do. | 但还有很多事要做 |
| 414 | I'm glad you brought up fraud | 我很高兴你提起诈骗案 |
| 415 | because while we hear from people like this | 因为当我们听到这样的人 |
| 416 | and others around the country | 以及全国各地的其他人 |
| 417 | who are not feeling like | 他们不觉得 |
| 418 | they're getting richer themselves, | 他们自己越来越富有了, |
| 419 | they see others that they feel | 他们看到别人,他们觉得 |
| 420 | are getting richer. | 越来越有钱了 |
| 421 | And that includes people | 包括人 |
| 422 | inside the Trump administration. | 特朗普政府内部 |
| 423 | There was a Fox News poll | 有一次福克斯新闻民调 |
| 424 | that came out. | 出来了 |
| 425 | You did a great job. | 你表现得很好 |
| 426 | Yeah, well done. | 是啊,干得不错。 |
| 427 | Bravo. | 厉害 |
| 428 | Just moments ago, | 刚才 |
| 429 | before we came out, | 在我们出来之前 |
| 430 | they found that corruption | 他们发现腐败 |
| 431 | was the number one issue | 是头号问题 |
| 432 | on voters' minds, | 在选民心目中, |
| 433 | even more than gas prices. | 甚至超过天然气价格。 |
| 434 | Kishan was talking about. | 祁山在说. |
| 435 | Another poll found that | 另一个民意调查发现, |
| 436 | even half of Republicans | 甚至半数共和党人 |
| 437 | believe that | 认为 |
| 438 | Donald Trump's | 唐纳德·特朗普的 |
| 439 | personal business interests | 个人商业利益 |
| 440 | are affecting his decision | 影响他的决定 |
| 441 | as president. | 作为总统。 |
| 442 | And what that all comes back to, | 而这一切又回到, |
| 443 | I think, is the question of, | 我想,问题是, |
| 444 | have you seen anything | 你有没有看到什么 |
| 445 | inside the White House | 白宫内部 |
| 446 | when it comes to corruption | 当它涉及到腐败的时候, |
| 447 | that makes you squeamish? | 这让你尖叫? |
| 448 | You're asking, | 你问, |
| 449 | has Donald Trump's decision-making | 拥有唐纳德·特朗普的决策权 |
| 450 | been influenced by his | 受到他的影响 |
| 451 | no, I'm asking if you've seen anything. | 不,我在问你有没有看到什么 |
| 452 | I've never seen anything like that. | 我从来没有见过这样的事。 |
| 453 | From anybody inside the White House. | 白宫里的任何人 |
| 454 | I've never seen anything like that | 我从来没有见过这样的事情 |
| 455 | from the president. | 从总统。 |
| 456 | Certainly, I mean, look, | 当然,我的意思是,你看, |
| 457 | in Washington, D.C., | 华盛顿特区 |
| 458 | people are constantly | 人们总是 |
| 459 | trying to get an edge. | 试图得到一个边缘。 |
| 460 | It's something that I have | 这是我拥有的东西 |
| 461 | complained about in Washington, D.C., | 在华盛顿特区抱怨, |
| 462 | for a long time. | 长久以来 |
| 463 | You see K Street lobbyists | 你看K街的说客 |
| 464 | who have tried to get meetings with me | 试图与我会面的人 |
| 465 | to advocate for a particular issue, | 倡导某一特定问题, |
| 466 | and I won't take the meeting | 我不会参加这个会议 |
| 467 | or the president won't take the meeting. | 或者总统不会参加这个会议 |
| 468 | So, yeah, you certainly see | 所以,是的,你当然看到 |
| 469 | evidence of corruption | 腐败的证据 |
| 470 | in Washington, D.C. | 华盛顿特区 |
| 471 | Do I see evidence of corruption | 难道我看见腐败的证据吗? |
| 472 | from the president of the United States? | 美国总统? |
| 473 | From the administration. | 从行政. |
| 474 | The administration is taking? | 行政部门要接管? |
| 475 | No, Tony, I just don't. | 不,托尼,我只是没有。 |
| 476 | I think that there's a lot | 我觉得有很多 |
| 477 | of allegation out there, | 在那里的指控, |
| 478 | and there's a lot of stuff | 有很多东西 |
| 479 | where, frankly, | 老实说,在哪里 |
| 480 | I've read these articles, | 我看过这些文章 |
| 481 | and I've read | 我读过 |
| 482 | the superficial summary, | 肤浅的总结, |
| 483 | and I say, oh, | 我说,哦, |
| 484 | that doesn't sound right. | 这听起来不对 |
| 485 | And then I go and do | 然后我就会去做 |
| 486 | the investigation myself, | 调查我自己, |
| 487 | and I say, wait a second, | 我说,等一下, |
| 488 | what they're saying | 他们说什么 |
| 489 | the president did | 总统做了 |
| 490 | or what they're saying | 或他们在说什么 |
| 491 | the president's son did, | 总统的儿子做了, |
| 492 | he didn't actually do. | 他实际上没有这样做。 |
| 493 | So I think it's important | 所以我觉得这很重要 |
| 494 | in these things. | 这些东西。 |
| 495 | Let's not convict people | 我们不要给别人定罪 |
| 496 | in a court of law, | 在法院, |
| 497 | because two things I'll say | 因为我会说两句话 |
| 498 | about the United States | 关于美国 |
| 499 | is that one- | 那个... |
| 500 | This is not really about the president. | 这与总统无关 |
| 501 | He hates- | 他讨厌... |
| 502 | No, it is. | 不,这是。 |
| 503 | It's a broader point. | 更广之分. |
| 504 | Well, you're implicitly, | 好吧,你含蓄地, |
| 505 | I think, saying that | 我想,说 |
| 506 | there's a corruption problem | 有个腐败问题 |
| 507 | that if he's not involved, | 如果他不参与, |
| 508 | and I think you're accusing him | 我觉得你在指责他 |
| 509 | of at least sanctioning- | 至少制裁... |
| 510 | The voters are saying that. | 选民是这么说的。 |
| 511 | Donald Trump hates | 唐纳德·特朗普讨厌 |
| 512 | when people make money off him. | 当人们从他身上挣钱。 |
| 513 | He hates the idea | 他讨厌这个想法 |
| 514 | that somebody would come in | 有人会进来 |
| 515 | and say, I'm going to give you | 并说,我要给你 |
| 516 | a meeting with the president, | 会见总统, |
| 517 | and I'm going to get rich | 我会发财 |
| 518 | because I gave you access | 因为我给了你权限 |
| 519 | to the president. | 致总统 |
| 520 | The president would never | 总统绝对不会 |
| 521 | tolerate that behavior, Tony. | 容忍这种行为,托尼。 |
| 522 | Now- | 现在... |
| 523 | Just one more question here, guys. | 再问一个问题 |
| 524 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 525 | Vice President Vance, | 副总统万斯, |
| 526 | I appreciate it. | 谢谢 |
| 527 | The issue that voters see | 选民看到的问题 |
| 528 | and that gets on their mind | 这让他们想到 |
| 529 | and that I hear when I'm out there | 我听到当我在那里 |
| 530 | is the president is making | 总统正在制作 |
| 531 | a lot of money off of crypto. | 大量的钱从密码。 |
| 532 | His own IRS has barred | 他自己的国税局禁止 |
| 533 | from looking into his tax returns. | 从查看他的纳税申报。 |
| 534 | You have this recent issue | 你最近有个问题 |
| 535 | with the ambassador to Greece | 与驻希腊大使 |
| 536 | seeming to sell access | 似乎在出售访问权 |
| 537 | to the White House. | 去白宫 |
| 538 | That's why people are concerned, | 这就是为什么人们关心, |
| 539 | and if there's nothing to hide, | 如果没什么好隐瞒的 |
| 540 | you say you've seen nothing. | 你说你什么都没看见 |
| 541 | First of all, somebody selling | 首先,有人卖 |
| 542 | access to the White House, | 进入白宫, |
| 543 | that's disgusting and despicable, | 恶心又卑鄙 |
| 544 | and they should suffer consequences. | 他们应该承受后果。 |
| 545 | What I'm saying is- | 我是说... |
| 546 | That's an isolated incident, though. | 这是一个孤立的事件,虽然。 |
| 547 | I wouldn't make those judgments | 我不会做出那些判决 |
| 548 | based on the facts | 根据事实 |
| 549 | and not based on a random | 而不是基于随机 |
| 550 | news media report that I read. | 新闻媒体报道我读。 |
| 551 | Fair enough. | 不错 |
| 552 | So when the facts | 所以当事实 |
| 553 | are being investigated, | 正在调查中, |
| 554 | let's say in January, | 这么说吧,一月份 |
| 555 | if there's a democratic | 如果有一个民主 |
| 556 | controlled Congress, | 控制国会, |
| 557 | will you comply and honor subpoenas? | 你会遵守并尊重传票吗? |
| 558 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 559 | Of course I will. | 我当然会 |
| 560 | Look, I mean, we follow the law. | 你看,我的意思是,我们遵循法律。 |
| 561 | I follow the law. | 我从法行. |
| 562 | I'm a law-abiding guy | 我是个守法的人 |
| 563 | outside of speeding, | 除了超速, |
| 564 | which luckily, | 幸运的是, |
| 565 | thanks to the Secret Service | 感谢特勤局 |
| 566 | and the generosity | 和慷慨, |
| 567 | of the American people, | 美国人民, |
| 568 | I don't drive anymore. | 我不开车了。 |
| 569 | Probably good for the insurance rates | 也许对保险费率有好处 |
| 570 | in southwestern Ohio. | 在俄亥俄州西南部 |
| 571 | But look, man, I think that | 但是,伙计,我觉得 |
| 572 | I've seen these media reports | 我看过媒体的报道 |
| 573 | and I have the same reaction | 我也有同样的反应 |
| 574 | I imagine a lot of people | 我想象着很多人 |
| 575 | in this room have, | 在这个房间里, |
| 576 | which it makes me uneasy | 这让我不安 |
| 577 | when I read about my public officials | 当我读到我的公职人员 |
| 578 | potentially getting wealthy | 可能变得富有 |
| 579 | off of my public trust. | 失去我的公众信任 |
| 580 | And I'm telling you | 我告诉你 |
| 581 | that while, yes, | 虽然,是的, |
| 582 | D.C. is a corrupt town, | 华盛顿是个腐败小镇 |
| 583 | Tony, you know this as well as anybody, | 托尼,你知道这一点 与任何人, |
| 584 | Donald Trump, | 唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 585 | I have not seen a single | 我一个都没见过 |
| 586 | shred of evidence | 证据 |
| 587 | that he participates | 他参加 |
| 588 | or sanctions in that corruption. | 或对腐败的制裁。 |
| 589 | By the way, | 对了 |
| 590 | this guy was a billionaire | 这家伙是个亿万富翁 |
| 591 | before he ever got into politics. | 在他进入政界之前 |
| 592 | He made a lot of money | 他赚了很多钱 |
| 593 | before he got into politics. | 在他进入政界之前 |
| 594 | Would anybody look | 有人会看 |
| 595 | at what happened to him | 他发生了什么事 |
| 596 | from 2016 to 2021? | 从2016年到2021年? |
| 597 | They tried to throw him in jail | 他们想把他关进监狱 |
| 598 | for like 900 years | 约900年 |
| 599 | and say that Donald Trump | 说唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 600 | has personally enriched himself. | 亲自致富 |
| 601 | You can make all kinds of criticisms | 你可以提出各种批评 |
| 602 | of our policies and decisions, | 我们的政策和决定, |
| 603 | but I don't see a single, | 但我一个都没看到 |
| 604 | I've not once seen evidence | 我从未见过证据 |
| 605 | that Donald Trump has enriched himself. | 唐纳德·特朗普丰富了自我 |
| 606 | You know, for tonight's town hall, | 今晚的市政厅 |
| 607 | we got more questions | 我们有更多的问题 |
| 608 | on the topic of data centers | 数据中心专题 |
| 609 | than anything else. | 比其他任何东西都好 |
| 610 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 611 | And a lot of the questions | 还有很多问题 |
| 612 | came in from self-identified | 是从自我识别出来的 |
| 613 | Trump voters. | 特朗普选民. |
| 614 | I guess they're part of this | 我想他们也是其中之一 |
| 615 | 70% of Americans | 70%的美国人 |
| 616 | who do not want data centers | 不需要数据中心的人 |
| 617 | built near their homes. | 在他们的家附近建造的。 |
| 618 | And we have one such voter tonight. | 我们有一个这样的选民 今晚。 |
| 619 | Lindy Valenzuela is here. | 林迪·瓦伦苏埃拉来了 |
| 620 | Lindy, the floor is yours. | 林迪,地板是你的了。 |
| 621 | Mr. Vice President, | 副总统先生, |
| 622 | I live in Dewajack, Michigan. | 我住在密歇根州的德瓦杰克 |
| 623 | My family and I live | 我的家人和我活着 |
| 624 | directly across the street | 街对面 |
| 625 | from a data center. | 从一个数据中心。 |
| 626 | For years, we had been exposed | 多年来,我们一直暴露 |
| 627 | to the constant noise | 不断的噪音 |
| 628 | from this company's daily operations. | 从这家公司的日常业务。 |
| 629 | Being outdoors for any amount of time | 在户外呆上多久 |
| 630 | became unbearable, | 变得无法忍受, |
| 631 | resulting in our yard | 导致我们的院子里 |
| 632 | becoming a useless patch of grass | 成为无用的草地 |
| 633 | that we could look at, but not enjoy. | 我们可以看,但不享受。 |
| 634 | Opening our windows | 打开我们的窗户 |
| 635 | to let in a breeze | 在微风中 |
| 636 | became a luxury | 成为奢侈品 |
| 637 | that we could no longer enjoy. | 我们不能再享受了 |
| 638 | Even with our windows closed, | 即使我们关闭了窗户 |
| 639 | the buzzing could be heard | 可以听到嗡嗡声 |
| 640 | throughout our home, | 在我们整个家 |
| 641 | day and night, 24-7. | 昼夜247号 |
| 642 | Our children's room | 我们的孩子的房间 |
| 643 | faces the data center. | 面对数据中心。 |
| 644 | And our two small boys | 还有我们两个小男孩 |
| 645 | had to sleep through | 不得不睡过 |
| 646 | this constant noise. | 这种持续的声音。 |
| 647 | It was like having a vacuum | 就像真空一样 |
| 648 | in our living room. | 在我们的客厅。 |
| 649 | It has taken a class action lawsuit | 它提起集体诉讼 |
| 650 | of which I am a plaintiff | 我是一个原告 |
| 651 | for this nuisance | 对于这种烦恼 |
| 652 | to finally be addressed. | 最后将讨论。 |
| 653 | You claim to care about | 你声称关心 |
| 654 | communities like mine. | 像我这样的社区 |
| 655 | What are you doing | 你在干吗? |
| 656 | about this problem? | 关于这个问题? |
| 657 | Well, it's a great question. | 嗯,这是一个伟大的问题。 |
| 658 | And I want to assure you | 我向你保证 |
| 659 | that we do very much | 我们做的很多 |
| 660 | care about communities like yours. | 关心像你这样的社区 |
| 661 | How old are your kids, can I ask? | 你的孩子多大了,我可以问一下吗? |
| 662 | Yeah, sure. | 当然 |
| 663 | My youngest is three months, | 我最小的三个月 |
| 664 | and my oldest is 21 months. | 我最年长的21个月。 |
| 665 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 666 | What's the birthday of your youngest? | 你最小的生日是什么时候? |
| 667 | His birthday is July 11th. | 他的生日为7月11日. |
| 668 | Oh, wow. | 哦,哇呜。 |
| 669 | Okay, so ours is July 19th. | 好吧,所以我们的是7月19日。 |
| 670 | That's when baby Alec was born. | 这时婴儿阿莱克出生. |
| 671 | So we have a baby eight days apart. | 所以,我们有一个孩子 8天的间隔。 |
| 672 | That's amazing. | 这是惊人的。 |
| 673 | So I really do care about this, | 所以我真的很关心这个, |
| 674 | and I care about it | 我关心 |
| 675 | not just because I can tell you, | 不只是因为我可以告诉你, |
| 676 | as I'm sure you could tell | 我敢肯定,你可以告诉 |
| 677 | everybody else, | 其他人都一样 |
| 678 | that when you have a three-month-old | 当你有一个三个月大的 |
| 679 | who's exposed to constant noise, | 经常发出声音 |
| 680 | it can be a problem for everybody, | 这会是每个人的问题, |
| 681 | especially mom's sleep. | 特别是妈妈的睡眠。 |
| 682 | And so very, very mindful of that. | 如此,非常,非常铭记这一点。 |
| 683 | And I guess the way that I think about it is | 我想我想我的想法是这样的 |
| 684 | data centers can be good. | 数据中心可以很好 |
| 685 | They can also, as in your case, | 他们也可以,像你的情况一样, |
| 686 | cause real problems. | 造成真正的问题。 |
| 687 | And I think there's some basic principles | 我认为有些基本原则 |
| 688 | that we've tried to apply | 我们试图申请 |
| 689 | in the Trump administration. | 在特朗普政府。 |
| 690 | My guess is that that data center | 我猜是那个数据中心 |
| 691 | is a little older and not, | 有点老了,没有, |
| 692 | it wasn't built in the last year or so. | 它不是在去年左右建造的。 |
| 693 | It's a bit complicated. | 有点复杂。 |
| 694 | So the building has always been there, | 所以这栋楼一直在那里 |
| 695 | but the company came in | 但公司来了 |
| 696 | and the data center took place around 2024. | 而数据中心则发生在2024年左右. |
| 697 | Okay, so I guess my point is | 好吧,我猜我的观点是 |
| 698 | I think that we have to make sure | 我认为我们必须确定 |
| 699 | that these things are good community members. | 这些东西是很好的社区成员。 |
| 700 | And there are a couple of examples of this | 还有几个例子 |
| 701 | where I think it's worked very well | 在那里我觉得它的工作非常好 |
| 702 | for the local communities. | 为当地社区服务。 |
| 703 | So there's an example in Louisiana | 路易斯安那州有个例子 |
| 704 | of a data center where the local community, | 的数据中心,其中当地社区, |
| 705 | the local teachers are going to be | 当地教师将会是 |
| 706 | getting $50,000 bonuses per teacher | 每名教师获得50 000美元的奖金 |
| 707 | because of the revenue that's been generated | 因为已经产生了收入 |
| 708 | by data centers, which I'm sure | 在数据中心,我确定 |
| 709 | is going to make the school system | 学校的系统 |
| 710 | a lot better, make the teachers | 好多了,让老师 |
| 711 | a lot happier and get them | 更快乐,然后得到他们 |
| 712 | some of the money that they've earned. | 他们挣来的钱 |
| 713 | At the same time, that data center | 同时,该数据中心 |
| 714 | is going to feed electricity | {\fn华文楷体\fs16\1cHE0E0E0}将要提供电力供应 |
| 715 | back into the grid. | 回到电网。 |
| 716 | And your complaint is about noise. | 你的抱怨是噪音 |
| 717 | One of the biggest complaints | 最大的投诉之一 |
| 718 | I've heard with data centers, | 我听说过数据中心 |
| 719 | even from friends of mine | 甚至从我的朋友 |
| 720 | who are typically pro-innovation, | 他们是典型的提倡革新的, |
| 721 | pro-technology is a data center went up | 支持技术的是一个数据中心上架了 |
| 722 | and my power bill went up by $300. | 我的电费涨了300美元 |
| 723 | And that's totally unacceptable. | 这是完全不能接受的。 |
| 724 | And what we've done, | 我们所做的一切 |
| 725 | it's called the Ratepayer Protection Pledge, | 叫做"纳税人保护承诺书" |
| 726 | is that we've effectively required | 是,我们有效地要求 |
| 727 | the data centers to say | 数据中心 |
| 728 | before they go into community, | 在他们进入社区之前 |
| 729 | they're going to make sure | 他们会确保 |
| 730 | that they're good community citizens. | 他们都是好市民 |
| 731 | They're going to be given teachers bonuses | 他们将获得教师奖金 |
| 732 | rather than make it impossible | 而不是让它不可能 |
| 733 | for your three-month-old to sleep. | 让你三个月大的人睡觉 |
| 734 | And I think that basic principle has to apply | 我认为基本原则必须适用 |
| 735 | because there is a good | 因为有好的 |
| 736 | that comes from data centers too. | 这来自于数据中心。 |
| 737 | And what I mean is, | 我是说, |
| 738 | whenever we use AI on our phone, | 只要我们用AI的手机, |
| 739 | the actual work, the computation | 实际工作、计算 |
| 740 | is actually being done at a data center, | 实际上是在一个数据中心完成的, |
| 741 | whether it's in Michigan | 无论它在密歇根州 |
| 742 | or anywhere else across the country. | 或全国各地的任何地方 |
| 743 | And we do know, | 而且我们知道, |
| 744 | and I've seen the intelligence reports | 我看过情报报告 |
| 745 | that our biggest competitor internationally, | 我们最大的国际竞争者, |
| 746 | the People's Republic of China, | 中华人民共和国, |
| 747 | they really, really want to beat us | 他们真的,真的想打败我们 |
| 748 | in this arms race of technology. | 技术的军备竞赛。 |
| 749 | And so I think that so long as | 所以我认为,只要 |
| 750 | we follow a simple principle, | 我们遵循一个简单的原则, |
| 751 | data centers have to be good citizens. | 数据中心必须是好公民。 |
| 752 | They have to not build in a way | 他们一定不能以某种方式建造 |
| 753 | that's going to make it impossible | 这会使它不可能 |
| 754 | for your kids to sleep. | 让你的孩子睡觉。 |
| 755 | They have to feed power back into the community. | 他们必须把电力带回社区 |
| 756 | They have to maybe, | 他们也许必须 |
| 757 | some of the economic benefits | 部分经济利益 |
| 758 | they're generating, | 他们正在生成, |
| 759 | they can't just go to a few tech billionaires. | 他们不能只是去 几个技术亿万富翁。 |
| 760 | It has to go to the community writ large. | 它必须去社区 书状大。 |
| 761 | And I think if we follow that principle, | 我认为如果我们遵循这一原则, |
| 762 | we can actually solve your problem, | 我们能解决你的问题 |
| 763 | but also a lot of the problems | 但也有很多问题 |
| 764 | that people have with data centers too. | 人们也有数据中心。 |
| 765 | But we have to do it. | 但我们必须这样做。 |
| 766 | We can't just say | 我们不能说 |
| 767 | data centers are going to go in everywhere. | 数据中心将进入任何地方。 |
| 768 | I think that what we have to say | 我想我们要说的 |
| 769 | is data centers can go in | 数据中心可以进入 |
| 770 | so long as local communities are okay with them | 只要当地社区同意 |
| 771 | and they can have real benefits | 他们可以得到真正的好处 |
| 772 | if they're done the right way. | 如果他们做正确的方式。 |
| 773 | Thank you, Lindy. | 谢谢你,林迪。 |
| 774 | We have a lot of topics to get to, | 我们有很多话题要谈, |
| 775 | but you mentioned tech billionaires. | 但你提到了技术亿万富翁。 |
| 776 | And when you take a step back | 当你退一步 |
| 777 | on the data center question, | 关于数据中心的问题, |
| 778 | for a lot of people, | 对于很多人来说, |
| 779 | it's about cultural and political power. | 这是关于文化和政治权力。 |
| 780 | It's about those tech billionaires. | 是关于那些技术亿万富翁的 |
| 781 | Of course. | 当然 |
| 782 | Do you feel like tech billionaires | 你感觉像技术亿万富翁 |
| 783 | have too much power over the country? | 对国家有太多权力吗? |
| 784 | Oh, yes. | 对 |
| 785 | I mean, I've been saying that for 10 years. | 我的意思是,我已经说了10年了。 |
| 786 | And I say that as this person | 而我说作为这个人 |
| 787 | who actually knows the technology industry pretty well. | 他们其实很了解技术产业。 |
| 788 | I worked in the technology industry | 我在科技行业工作过 |
| 789 | for a little while. | 一会儿 |
| 790 | Look, I think AI, | 听着,我想AI, |
| 791 | there are a lot of people who focus on the risks | 很多人都专注于风险 |
| 792 | and what are the benefits | 和什么好处, |
| 793 | and what are the bad things. | 和什么是坏东西。 |
| 794 | And sometimes you'll see | 有时你会看到 |
| 795 | one of these AI company CEOs. | 这些AI公司的首席执行官之一。 |
| 796 | And I always laugh at this | 我总是笑这个 |
| 797 | because if you think about it, | 因为如果你考虑一下 |
| 798 | it's really absurd for a tech CEO | 对于技术总裁来说,这真是荒谬 |
| 799 | to come out and say, | 出来说, |
| 800 | we have built this extremely dangerous product. | 我们制造了这个极其危险的产品。 |
| 801 | It's terrible. | 这太可怕了。 |
| 802 | And it's going to do all these terrible things. | 它会做所有这些可怕的事情。 |
| 803 | And what we need now is the government's help. | 我们现在需要的是政府的帮助。 |
| 804 | And my response to that is, | 我的反应是, |
| 805 | no, no, no, no. | 不,不,不,没有。 |
| 806 | If you've built a dangerous product | 如果你制造了危险产品 |
| 807 | and you know you were building a dangerous product, | 你知道你在制造危险产品 |
| 808 | that's on you. | 这是你的责任。 |
| 809 | It's not up to the government | 这不由政府决定 |
| 810 | or your fellow citizens to come and bail you out. | 或者你的同胞来保释你 |
| 811 | Build safe products. | 建设安全产品. |
| 812 | And one of the principles that we followed | 我们遵循的原则之一 |
| 813 | in the Trump administration, | 在特朗普政府, |
| 814 | and we have been to be clear, | 我们确是明白的, |
| 815 | we've been pro-innovation. | 我们一直支持创新 |
| 816 | We want people to build in the United States of America. | 我们希望人们在美国建设。 |
| 817 | But if you're a technology company, | 但如果你是一个技术公司, |
| 818 | you have responsibility for what you build. | 你对建造的东西负责 |
| 819 | So if it creates great benefits | 因此,如果它创造了巨大的好处 |
| 820 | and it's a great product, wonderful. | 它是一个伟大的产品,美妙。 |
| 821 | Everybody benefits. | 每个人都受益。 |
| 822 | However, if it creates real problems, | 但是,如果这造成了真正的问题, |
| 823 | then you have liability | 那你有责任 |
| 824 | for the problems your product creates. | 你的产品制造的问题。 |
| 825 | And we think that's the right approach | 我们认为这是正确的方法 |
| 826 | to take to this particular thing. | 带着这个特殊的东西。 |
| 827 | Let's move on to immigration. | 让我们继续移民。 |
| 828 | Can I just make one more point about this? | 我能再说一点吗? |
| 829 | Tony, the way I worry most about the tech industry, | Tony 我最担心的是科技行业 |
| 830 | because you saw this back in 2020, | 因为你在2020年看到了这个 |
| 831 | who here knows somebody who said something on Facebook | 谁知道有人在脸书上说了些什么 |
| 832 | 在YouTube上被立即禁止 | |
| 833 | from their social media account | 从他们的社交媒体账户 |
| 834 | because they said something | 因为他们说了些什么 |
| 835 | that turned out to be totally true | 结果完全是真的 |
| 836 | that everybody agreed on two years later. | 两年后大家都同意了 |
| 837 | My biggest concern is that we have to be clear | 我最担心的是我们必须明白 |
| 838 | that the American people and the First Amendment | 美国人民和第一修正案 |
| 839 | drives what we're allowed to say in our country, | 开着我们国家允许说的话 |
| 840 | not tech leaders. | 不是技术领导 |
| 841 | And that's one of the ways | 这是其中之一 |
| 842 | in which the president, I think, | 在其中,总统,我认为, |
| 843 | has been a leader on this, | 曾经是这方面的领导者, |
| 844 | not just the past couple of years, | 不仅仅是过去的几年, |
| 845 | but the past 10 years is the First Amendment | 但过去10年是第一修正案 |
| 846 | determines what we're allowed to say | 决定我们该说什么 |
| 847 | in the United States of America, | 在美利坚合众国, |
| 848 | not some billionaire. | 不是亿万富翁 |
| 849 | All right, Vice President Vance, | 好吧,副总统万斯, |
| 850 | I want to move on to immigration, | 我想继续移民 |
| 851 | another topic that stirs passionate opinion | 又一个引起热情观点的话题 |
| 852 | in this country. | 在这个国家。 |
| 853 | And we have a voter here tonight, | 今晚这里有个选民 |
| 854 | Nancy Sylvester, sister Nancy Sylvester, | 南茜·西尔维斯特 姐姐南茜·西尔维斯特 |
| 855 | from Sisters Servants of the Immaculate Heart | 圣母的姐妹 |
| 856 | of Mary Congregation in Monroe. | 在梦露的玛丽公会。 |
| 857 | She's got a question for you, Sister Nancy. | 她有个问题要问你 Nancy修女 |
| 858 | Right here, thank you. | 在这里,谢谢你。 |
| 859 | Mr. Vice President, we have sisters | 副总统先生,我们有姐妹 |
| 860 | who minister at the southern border in United States, | 在美国南部边境的部长 |
| 861 | as well as here around Detroit. | 还有底特律附近 |
| 862 | And they are constantly seeing families | 他们经常见到家人 |
| 863 | who are affected by our immigration policies. | 受我们移民政策影响的人。 |
| 864 | They see the trauma of children | 他们看到孩子的创伤 |
| 865 | who are separated from their parents, | 与父母分离者, |
| 866 | sometimes on a moment's notice. | 有时候在一瞬间。 |
| 867 | They go to school and they come back | 他们上学就回来了 |
| 868 | and they're not there. | 他们不在那里。 |
| 869 | And they have to sort of fend for themselves. | 他们必须自食其力 |
| 870 | And so the sisters see the kind of effect, | 所以姐妹们看到了那种效果 |
| 871 | the fear and violence of the ICE behavior. | ICE行为的恐惧和暴力. |
| 872 | We know the complexity of this issue, | 我们知道这个问题的复杂性, |
| 873 | but what really pains us | 但真正让我们痛苦的是 |
| 874 | is how it's being implemented in such ways. | 如何以这种方式执行。 |
| 875 | And so I'm going to sort of know | 所以我会知道 |
| 876 | that both of us share the same faith. | 我们都一样 |
| 877 | We may not always agree, | 我们可能并不总是同意 |
| 878 | because I understand you don't always | 因为我理解你并不总是 |
| 879 | even agree with our Pope sometimes. | 甚至有时同意我们的教皇。 |
| 880 | And so I want to though wonder, | 所以我想问一下 |
| 881 | what would you say, | 你会说什么, |
| 882 | how would you justify to people of faith, | 你怎能为信道的人们辩护呢? |
| 883 | especially those of us who try to follow the gospel, | 特别是我们中那些试图遵循福音的人, |
| 884 | how the behavior of the ICE men and women | ICE的男女行为如何 |
| 885 | can constantly be justified | 总是有道理的 |
| 886 | in terms of the kind of values we want to live by. | 就我们想要的价值观而言 |
| 887 | And also what policies would you advocate | 以及你主张什么政策 |
| 888 | to try to promote more compassionate | 尝试促进更富有同情心 |
| 889 | and respective behavior | 和各自的行为 |
| 890 | toward our immigrants, sisters and brothers? | 我们的移民,兄弟姐妹? |
| 891 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 892 | Well, Sister Nancy, I appreciate you. | 南茜修女,我很感激你 |
| 893 | And hopefully I'll be in your prayers | 希望我会在你的祈祷中 |
| 894 | as you'll certainly be in mine. | 就像你一定会在我的。 |
| 895 | And on the subject of the Pope, | 关于教皇, |
| 896 | just because you brought him up, | 就因为你把他提起来 |
| 897 | he just had a lung cancer diagnosis. | 他刚刚做了肺癌诊断 |
| 898 | But as I understand his health is in a good place. | 但据我所知,他的身体很好 |
| 899 | So I hope all Christians and people of faith | 所以我希望所有基督徒和信徒 |
| 900 | will join me in praying for the Pope, | 与我一起为教皇祈祷 |
| 901 | because I think he's a good man. | 因为我觉得他是个好人 |
| 902 | And obviously the first American Pope, | 很明显,第一个美国教皇 |
| 903 | which is something we're very, very proud of. | 这是我们非常,非常骄傲的事情。 |
| 904 | So let me say, one, | 所以,让我说,一个, |
| 905 | we're trying to strike the right balance. | 我们试图找到正确的平衡。 |
| 906 | And when you have a country | 当你有一个国家 |
| 907 | where approximately 25 million illegal aliens | 大约2 500万非法外国人 |
| 908 | have come in over the past 30 or so years, | 过去30年来, |
| 909 | many of them completely unchecked and unvetted, | 他们中有许多人,是不受约束的,是不受考验的, |
| 910 | we're trying to strike a balance | 我们试图保持平衡 |
| 911 | between how do we do law enforcement, | 我们如何执法 |
| 912 | but how do we also do it humanely? | 但是我们怎样才能人道地做到这一点呢? |
| 913 | And how do we not do so little law enforcement | 我们怎么不这么少执法 |
| 914 | that you actually empower | 你实际上赋予 |
| 915 | some of the worst people in the world? | 世界上最差的人吗? |
| 916 | Are you not striking that balance? | 你没有达到平衡吗? |
| 917 | Well, I think that it is constantly | 我觉得它总是 |
| 918 | a work in progress, Tony. | 东尼,工作正在进行中 |
| 919 | When you're talking about millions | 当你在谈论百万 |
| 920 | and millions of people and hundreds | 数百万人和数百人 |
| 921 | and hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officers, | 和数十万执法人员, |
| 922 | we've even just in the past year or so | 我们刚刚一年左右 |
| 923 | increased training protocols, | 增加培训协议, |
| 924 | because I do think the men and women of ICE, by the way, | 因为我确实认为 ICE的男女,顺便说一句, |
| 925 | it's like the men and women of law enforcement. | 就像执法部门的人 |
| 926 | Most of them are amazing people who are patriots | 他们大多是爱国者 |
| 927 | and they want to do a good job protecting their country. | 他们想做好保护祖国的工作 |
| 928 | Sometimes you have some people who make mistakes. | 有时你会有一些犯错的人 |
| 929 | Sometimes you have some people who really screw up. | 有时你有些人真的搞砸了 |
| 930 | And obviously we have a responsibility | 显然我们有责任 |
| 931 | to prosecute, investigate when people do screw up. | 起诉,调查 当人们真的搞砸了。 |
| 932 | What are some of those times? | 这些时候是什么? |
| 933 | I think it's important. | 我认为这很重要。 |
| 934 | She's seen the things that we've all seen online, | 她看到的东西 我们都在网上看到, |
| 935 | these incidents that come up. | 这些事件 出现了。 |
| 936 | A lot of times people talk about them | 人们经常谈论他们 |
| 937 | before they're investigated. | 在他们被调查之前 |
| 938 | You just mentioned times where there have been mistakes | 你刚才提到过有错误的地方 |
| 939 | and there have been investigations, | 有调查, |
| 940 | but I actually haven't heard you talk about those. | 但我实际上还没有听到 你谈论这些。 |
| 941 | What comes to mind for you as the biggest mistakes | 是什么让你想到最大的错误 |
| 942 | in this ICE policy and rollout? | 在这种ICE政策和推出中? |
| 943 | There are a number of cases where we've investigated | 我们调查了很多案件 |
| 944 | and either provided further training | 或提供进一步培训 |
| 945 | or sometimes even provided disciplinary situations within ICE. | 有时甚至会在ICE内提供纪律情况。 |
| 946 | We don't always advertise that stuff. | 我们不是总在做广告的 |
| 947 | You know, Tony, because we believe that people | 你知道,托尼,因为我们相信人们 |
| 948 | have to be judged in a court of law | 必须在法院审判 |
| 949 | and through a normal investigatory process. | 通过正常的调查程序。 |
| 950 | We don't jump in and try to accuse people just again | 我们不跳进去 试图指责别人 |
| 951 | because what we've seen in a news media article. | 因为我们在新闻报导中看到的 |
| 952 | But I think Sister Nancy's point, | 但我认为南茜修女的观点 |
| 953 | because I'm sure Sister that you're, | 因为我敢肯定修女,你是, |
| 954 | the people working with you, | 与你共事的人们, |
| 955 | I'm sure they're doing amazing ministry work | 我敢肯定,他们做 惊人的部内工作 |
| 956 | and are very grateful for it. | 并对此非常感激。 |
| 957 | What I would say is that what we saw over the last five years, | 我想说的是,我们在过去5年里看到的, |
| 958 | before we came in, I mean, is we have to talk about the fact | 我们进来之前 我是说 我们得谈谈事实 |
| 959 | that drug cartels were sex trafficking | 贩毒集团是性交易 |
| 960 | thousands and thousands of children, | 成千上万的儿童, |
| 961 | thousands of thousands of girls | 成千上万的女孩 |
| 962 | who were sold into sex slavery. | 他们被卖成了性奴隶。 |
| 963 | Of course, the fentanyl trade, | 当然,芬太尼交易, |
| 964 | which killed a lot of people in Michigan. | 在密歇根州杀了很多人 |
| 965 | So I do think despite what some people say in the press, | 所以我想,尽管有些人在媒体上说, |
| 966 | I promise you that we wake up every day | 我答应你,我们每天醒来 |
| 967 | and we try to balance law enforcement | 我们试图平衡执法 |
| 968 | with humane law enforcement. | 与人道执法. |
| 969 | And of course, when you're dealing with | 当然,当你面对 |
| 970 | hundreds of thousands of law enforcement officials, | 数十万执法人员, |
| 971 | you're never going to get everything perfect. | 你永远不会得到一切完美。 |
| 972 | But I think the men and women of ICE by and large | 但我认为 ICE的男女 总的来说 |
| 973 | have done a good job. | 已经做了一个好工作。 |
| 974 | And where there are people who have screwed up, | 哪里有人搞错了 |
| 975 | of course, they should suffer consequences. | 当然,他们应该承受后果。 |
| 976 | So just taking a step back. | 所以往后退一点 |
| 977 | Go ahead, Sister Nancy. | 说吧,南希修女 |
| 978 | Please. | 请 |
| 979 | I want, I'm interested in how, | 我想,我有兴趣如何, |
| 980 | from your very core of your faith, | 从你信仰的核心, |
| 981 | how would you want to be, | 你想怎样? |
| 982 | how do you want to treat immigrants? | 你想怎样对待移民? |
| 983 | Because in many cases, we get slaved, | 因为在许多情况下 我们被奴役了 |
| 984 | they all are called terrorists sometimes by people. | 他们有时被人们称为恐怖分子。 |
| 985 | They are misaligned. | 他们搞错了 |
| 986 | How does, what would you want? | 怎么样,你想要什么? |
| 987 | How would you want to do it? | 你想怎样做? |
| 988 | Sister Nancy, actually, our next question | Nancy修女,其实,我们下一个问题 |
| 989 | is on that same point. | 也一样 |
| 990 | So I want to make this, | 所以我想做这个, |
| 991 | you've got Sister Nancy's question there, | 你有南希修女的问题, |
| 992 | how you treat immigrants, the words that you use. | 如何对待移民, 你使用的词。 |
| 993 | There's another voter here who's concerned | 这里还有另一个选民担心 |
| 994 | that your immigration policy has been swept up | 您的移民政策被扫荡 |
| 995 | into this broader anti-immigrant sentiment. | 进入这种更广泛的反移民情绪。 |
| 996 | Niv Agaram is here with a question. | 尼夫·阿加兰在这里有一个问题。 |
| 997 | Hey, my name is Niv. | 嘿,我的名字是尼夫。 - 嘿,我叫尼夫。 |
| 998 | My family and I immigrated here about 20 years ago | 我家和我20年前移民到这里 |
| 999 | and I became a citizen about five years ago. | 我五年前成为公民 |
| 1000 | So you were the first person I voted for, actually. | 所以,你是我投的第一个人,实际上。 |
| 1001 | Oh, wow, congratulations and welcome. | 哦,哇,恭喜和欢迎。 |
| 1002 | One reason, because of the reasons you just mentioned, | 其中一个原因 因为你刚才提到的原因 |
| 1003 | I was concerned about border safety, | 我担心边境安全 |
| 1004 | as in the trafficking and the drugs, | 就像贩卖毒品一样 |
| 1005 | not because I think immigrants actually take away jobs | 不是因为我认为 移民真的拿走了工作 |
| 1006 | from Americans, but after seeing ICE behave | 从美国人,但看到ICE行为后 |
| 1007 | like military police and you recently call H1 visa workers | 像宪兵,你最近打电话给H1签证工人 |
| 1008 | foreign indentured servants, | 外国契约仆人, |
| 1009 | I think Americans are anything but safe. | 我认为美国人除了安全之外 什么都不是 |
| 1010 | So I'm just curious, | 所以,我只是好奇的,因为, |
| 1011 | why are you scapegoating immigrants | 你们为什么替移民做替罪羊 |
| 1012 | for the issues you're supposed to be solving | 对于你应该解决的问题 |
| 1013 | as a vice president? | 作为副总统? |
| 1014 | So Niv, first of all, I appreciate the question. | 所以,Niv,首先,我很感激这个问题。 |
| 1015 | And I would say, | 我会说, |
| 1016 | and to the extent that my rhetoric has been imperfect here, | 以及我在这里的言辞不完美, |
| 1017 | that's on me. | 这由我负责。 |
| 1018 | But what I said about certain visa holders, | 但我说的一些签证持有者, |
| 1019 | certain H1B visas, not the entire category, | 某些H1B签证,不是整个类别, |
| 1020 | is here's what happens with an H1B. | 这是H1B的下场 |
| 1021 | You may know a lot about this, but other people may not. | 你可能对此很了解 但其他人可能不知道 |
| 1022 | Is when they come in on an H1B, | 是当他们进来的H1B, |
| 1023 | they're very often coming in and the company is certifying | 他们经常进来 公司正在认证 |
| 1024 | that they're doing a job that they can't find | 他们在做他们找不到的工作 |
| 1025 | an alternative American labor applicant for. | 美国劳工的另类申请人 |
| 1026 | And importantly, their visa is their only lifeline | 更重要的是,他们的签证是他们唯一的生命线 |
| 1027 | to the United States of America. | 给美利坚合众国的普通照会 |
| 1028 | So when I say an indentured servant, | 所以当我说契约仆人 |
| 1029 | that's not a criticism of the H1B visa holder, | 这不是对H1B签证持有者的批评, |
| 1030 | that's a criticism of a company who brings a person in, | 那是对一个带人进来的公司的批评 |
| 1031 | who sometimes will literally lay off an American worker, | 有时会解雇一个美国工人 |
| 1032 | bring somebody else in and knows that person. | 带别人进来认识那个人 |
| 1033 | If they complain, if they get too uppity at work, | 如果他们抱怨, 如果他们在工作时太生气, |
| 1034 | if they have a disagreement with their boss, | 如果他们和他们的老板有分歧 |
| 1035 | they couldn't just lose their job, | 他们不能就这么丢掉工作 |
| 1036 | which is what could happen to any American citizen, | 任何美国公民都会遇到这样的事 |
| 1037 | could happen to me in a couple of years. | 可能发生在我身上 在几年。 |
| 1038 | It's what fundamentally, | 从根本上来说, |
| 1039 | they can be shipped back to their country of origin. | 他们可以被运回原籍国。 |
| 1040 | And I think that gives employers way too much power. | 我认为这给了雇主太多的权力。 |
| 1041 | That's not a criticism, again, | 这不是批评,再次, |
| 1042 | maybe my rhetoric has been imperfect here, | 也许我的言辞不完美 |
| 1043 | but of the person holding the visa, | 但持有签证的人, |
| 1044 | it's a criticism of the visa system | 这是对签证制度的批评 |
| 1045 | that allows people to be treated effectively | * 使人们得到有效对待; |
| 1046 | as indentured servants that can be shipped back | 作为契约的仆人 可以运回 |
| 1047 | to their country of origin. | 他们的原籍国。 |
| 1048 | Now to your other question about the demonization | 现在到你另一个关于恶魔化的问题 |
| 1049 | of immigrants, you know where my family comes from | 移民,你知道我的家人来自哪里 |
| 1050 | and I love my mother-in-law and father-in-law | 我爱我的岳母和岳父 |
| 1051 | who immigrated from South India | 从南印度移民的人 |
| 1052 | and obviously their daughter born in the United States | 显然他们的女儿在美国出生 |
| 1053 | of America is now the second lady | 美国现在是第二位了 |
| 1054 | and I'm very proud of her and I love her very much. | 我以她为荣 我非常爱她 |
| 1055 | But I think that we can have a respect and a welcome | 但我认为我们可以受到尊敬和欢迎 |
| 1056 | to people who wanna contribute | 给那些想要贡献的人 |
| 1057 | to the United States of America, | 给美利坚合众国的普通照会, |
| 1058 | I'm sure as you do, as certainly my wife | 我敢肯定,像你一样,当然是我的妻子 |
| 1059 | and her family does, but also recognize | 她的家人也承认 |
| 1060 | that if you're a major corporation, | 如果你是一个大公司, |
| 1061 | let's say you're a trillion dollar company | 假设你是万亿公司 |
| 1062 | and you bring in somebody, an accountant, | 你带了个会计进来 |
| 1063 | and you say that you cannot hire an accountant | 你说你不能雇会计 |
| 1064 | from your existing labor pool. | 从你现有的劳动力池。 |
| 1065 | And when you're doing that, you fire an accountant | 当你这样做,你解雇了一个会计 |
| 1066 | that was already on the payroll, that's not fairness. | 那已经是工资单了 这不公平 |
| 1067 | It's not good for the immigrant | 这对移民不好 |
| 1068 | and it's not good for the American worker | 这对美国工人不好 |
| 1069 | and I do think that we can strike that balance | 我觉得我们可以保持平衡 |
| 1070 | in the right way. | 在正确的方式。 |
| 1071 | I think that our immigration system has to balance | 我认为我们的移民制度必须平衡 |
| 1072 | the fact that obviously we have duties of charity to people, | 很明显,我们有责任为人们施舍, |
| 1073 | people who wanna come to the United States of America | 来美国的人 |
| 1074 | and build a better life who can contribute to that. | 并建立一个更好的生活 谁可以为此作出贡献。 |
| 1075 | They're not talking about the system or the policy, | 他们不是在谈论制度或政策 |
| 1076 | they're talking about the rhetoric, the language, | 他们正在谈论 修辞,语言, |
| 1077 | what they see as dehumanization of immigrants. | 他们认为移民的非人化。 |
| 1078 | Sure, and Tony, I will tell you that nobody's perfect, | 当然,托尼,我会告诉你 没有人是完美的, |
| 1079 | certainly not me, but my goal here is not to dehumanize | 当然不是我 但我的目标不是非人化 |
| 1080 | any immigrant, in fact, I love a number of immigrants. | 任何移民,事实上, 我爱一些移民。 |
| 1081 | My goal here is to make it so that we can have a country | 我在这里的目标是,让我们有一个国家 |
| 1082 | with some baseline of social cohesion | 具有一定的社会凝聚力基线 |
| 1083 | and sense of community. | 以及社区感 |
| 1084 | Because what happens when too many people come | 因为太多人来时会怎样 |
| 1085 | to the United States, | 致美国, |
| 1086 | even if they're very good people, Sister Nancy, | 就算他们是好人 南希修女 |
| 1087 | when too many people come to the United States too quickly, | 当太多的人来美国太快, |
| 1088 | it changes the country in very profound ways. | 它深刻地改变了国家。 |
| 1089 | I have neighbors, I have friends of mine | 我有邻居,有朋友 |
| 1090 | who literally don't know a single person | 他们根本不认识一个人 |
| 1091 | in their neighborhood who speaks the language they do. | 他们的邻居会说他们所学的语言 |
| 1092 | Now, that's not a criticism of anybody, | 这不是对任何人的批评 |
| 1093 | but I don't think it's unreasonable | 但我不觉得不合理 |
| 1094 | for an American citizen to want to share their community | 美国公民想要分享他们的社区 |
| 1095 | with people they have something in common with. | 他们和别人有共同之处 |
| 1096 | And I think our immigration system has to build that. | 我认为我们的移民制度必须建立起来。 |
| 1097 | It has to obviously be charitable to people, | 很明显,这是慈善 对人们, |
| 1098 | it has to welcome people who are gonna contribute | 它必须欢迎那些会作出贡献的人 |
| 1099 | to the country, but it also has to not do it so quickly | 给国家,但也不能这么快 |
| 1100 | that we fundamentally transform the country in a bad way. | 根本改变国家的方式 |
| 1101 | Mr. Vice President, the war in Iran is gone on much longer | 副总统先生,伊朗战争持续了很久 |
| 1102 | than I think a lot of people expected, | 比我想象的很多人预期的, |
| 1103 | certainly people in the administration. | 当然,人们在管理。 |
| 1104 | I have really just one big question on Iran. | 我有一个关于伊朗的大问题。 |
| 1105 | Why haven't we won decisively? | 为什么我们还没赢? |
| 1106 | Well, Tony, I would say in some ways we have won decisively, | 那个 托尼,我想说,在某些方面,我们已经取得了决定性的胜利, |
| 1107 | but the Iranians, the enemy gets a vote here | 但是伊朗人,敌人在这里投票 |
| 1108 | and they have responded in certain ways. | 他们以某种方式响应。 |
| 1109 | And so to step back a little bit, | 所以为了退后一点 |
| 1110 | why did the President of the United States do this? | 为什么美国总统要这么做? |
| 1111 | The President of the United States did this | 美国总统干的 |
| 1112 | because he believes it is very important. | 因为他认为这很重要 |
| 1113 | And I think he's right, I think most people here would agree | 我觉得他是对的,我想这里大多数人会同意 |
| 1114 | and if they don't agree with all the particulars | 如果他们不同意所有细节 |
| 1115 | of the policy to say Iran, the largest state sponsor | 说伊朗是最大的赞助国 |
| 1116 | of terrorism in the world cannot have a nuclear weapon. | 世界上的恐怖主义不能拥有核武器。 |
| 1117 | That would be a massive thing that they could threaten. | 这会是他们可以威胁的大事 |
| 1118 | That's also potentially something they could use | 这也是他们可能使用的东西 |
| 1119 | to kill millions of innocent civilians. | 杀害数百万无辜平民。 |
| 1120 | So Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. | 因此,伊朗不能拥有核武器。 |
| 1121 | Now, have we destroyed the Iranian nuclear program? | 现在,我们是否摧毁了伊朗的核计划? |
| 1122 | The answer is yes. | 答为是. |
| 1123 | So what are we doing now? | 那么我们现在在做什么? |
| 1124 | There are two things that we're trying to accomplish. | 有两件事我们正在努力实现。 |
| 1125 | Number one, ensure the Iranians make a long-term | 第一,确保伊朗人做一个长期 |
| 1126 | but also verifiable commitment | 也可核查的承诺 |
| 1127 | that they're not gonna rebuild, right? | 他们不会重建,对吧? |
| 1128 | You have to wonder, not over the administration | 你总得想着,不是因为政府 |
| 1129 | of Donald Trump because this stuff, excuse me, | 唐纳德・特朗普 因为这些东西,对不起, |
| 1130 | takes a while, but five years from now, | 需要一段时间,但五年后 |
| 1131 | could the Iranians rebuild that nuclear arsenal? | 伊朗人能否重建核武库? |
| 1132 | Could they try to rebuild that enrichment capacity? | 他们能否努力重建这种浓缩能力? |
| 1133 | So that's number one. | 所以这是第一。 |
| 1134 | But then number two is, | 但第二点是, |
| 1135 | when we destroyed their nuclear program, | 当我们摧毁他们的核计划时, |
| 1136 | the Iranians responded by terrorizing commercial shipping. | 伊朗人的反应是恐吓商业航运。 |
| 1137 | And that's of course the big reason why, | 当然,这就是为什么, |
| 1138 | or one of the big reasons I should say, | 或者我应该说的一个大原因, |
| 1139 | why energy prices have gone up. | 能源价格为何上涨。 |
| 1140 | And so what we have to do is simultaneously make sure | 所以我们必须同时确保 |
| 1141 | that we get the final firm commitment from the Iranians | 我们得到伊朗人的最后坚定承诺 |
| 1142 | that they're not gonna rebuild their nuclear program. | 他们不会重建他们的核计划。 |
| 1143 | But we also have to ensure | 但我们也必须保证 |
| 1144 | that we don't have a worldwide energy crisis. | 我们没有全球能源危机。 |
| 1145 | And again, I will be the first to tell you, | 再说一次,我会第一个告诉你, |
| 1146 | gas prices are too high. | 天然气价格过高。 |
| 1147 | They would be three times as high | 它们会是三倍高 |
| 1148 | if it weren't for the United States Navy | 如果不是美国海军 |
| 1149 | keeping oil and gas moving out of the Strait of Hormuz. | 油气不断从霍尔木兹海峡流出 |
| 1150 | So if we just give up, then we walk away | 所以,如果我们只是放弃, 然后我们走开 |
| 1151 | and say, oh, we destroyed their nuclear program, | 并说,哦,我们摧毁了他们的核计划, |
| 1152 | who cares, energy prices are gonna go way up. | 谁在乎,能源价格会上升很多。 |
| 1153 | And that's something the president of the United States, | 美国总统就是这样 |
| 1154 | he wants American consumers to see that relief. | 他希望美国消费者看到这种缓解。 |
| 1155 | You have seen gas prices, not as low as they should be, | 你看到了天然气价格 而不是应该的低 |
| 1156 | but come down from their highest point of the conflict. | 但从冲突的最高点下来 |
| 1157 | And that's something we have to keep working on. | 我们必须继续研究 |
| 1158 | Vice President Vance, gas prices are one cost of this war. | 副总统万斯,天然气价格是这场战争的代价之一. |
| 1159 | They're also human costs as well. | 他们也是人的代价 |
| 1160 | And with us in the audience tonight is Joey Amor, | 我们今晚的观众是乔伊·阿莫尔 |
| 1161 | whose wife, a US soldier, Master Sergeant Nicole Amor, | 他的妻子,一个美国士兵, 军士长Nicole Amor, |
| 1162 | was killed in March in an Iranian airstrike. | 3月在伊朗空袭中丧生。 |
| 1163 | Joey, your floor is yours. | 乔伊,你的地板是你的。 |
| 1164 | God bless you, Joey, and thank you for your service. | 上帝保佑你,乔伊,谢谢你的服务。 |
| 1165 | Thank you, sir. | 谢谢你,先生。 |
| 1166 | And Herve. | 还有赫夫 |
| 1167 | Mr. Vice President, | 副总统先生, |
| 1168 | my wife, Master Sergeant Nicole Amor, | 我妻子 尼科尔·阿莫尔中士 |
| 1169 | gave her life on March 1st, 2026. | 于2026年3月1日献出生命. |
| 1170 | I am damn proud of my wife. | 我为我妻子骄傲 |
| 1171 | As you should be. | 应如是. |
| 1172 | And the five soldiers that stood next to her | 和站在她旁边的五个士兵 |
| 1173 | that died alongside with her. | 死在她身边 |
| 1174 | Excuse me. | 对不起。 |
| 1175 | Take your time, man, take your time. | 慢慢来 伙计 慢慢来 |
| 1176 | They raised their right hand and they gave an oath. | 他们举起右手,盟誓, |
| 1177 | They understood what they were doing. | 他们明白自己在做什么 |
| 1178 | They understood the sacrifice | 他们理解牺牲 |
| 1179 | that they were potentially giving. | 他们可能付出。 |
| 1180 | You understand that oath. | 你明白那个誓言。 |
| 1181 | I understand that oath. | 我明白那个誓言 |
| 1182 | There are now six families living in a nightmare. | 现在有六个家庭生活在一场噩梦中. |
| 1183 | That is, it is a hard price to pay. | 也就是说,这是一个艰难的代价。 |
| 1184 | Though the Iranian drone was the weapon that killed my wife, | 虽然伊朗无人机是杀死我妻子的武器 |
| 1185 | there were a lot of mistakes | 有很多错误 |
| 1186 | and a lot of fundamental failures that led up to that. | 以及导致它的许多根本失败。 |
| 1187 | I believe CBS has reported on that. | 我相信CBS已经报道了 |
| 1188 | My wife has told me things before she passed. | 我妻子在去世前告诉我一些事情 |
| 1189 | There are other soldiers that know things | 还有其他士兵知道事情 |
| 1190 | that are being quiet about certain aspects of this. | 却对此事的某些方面保持沉默。 |
| 1191 | There's a failure in the leadership. | 领导班子出现失误. |
| 1192 | And I wanna know how this administration | 我想知道这个政府是怎么运作的 |
| 1193 | is gonna start holding those leaders accountable | 开始追究这些领导人的责任 |
| 1194 | for the actions and the deaths of the soldiers | 士兵的行动和死亡 |
| 1195 | that we honor and that we love. | 我们敬重和爱 |
| 1196 | So Joey, first of all, | 所以,乔伊,首先, |
| 1197 | I owe and the whole country owes your family | 我欠你的 整个国家欠你的 |
| 1198 | a debt of gratitude | 感谢之情 |
| 1199 | that is quite literally impossible to repay. | 这根本无法偿还。 |
| 1200 | I won't pretend that anything that I say | 我不会假装我说的话 |
| 1201 | is gonna make it better or easier, | 这会使它更好或更容易, |
| 1202 | but I hope it helps a little bit to know | 但我希望它能帮助一点点知道 |
| 1203 | that your wife was a precious human being | 你妻子是个珍贵的人 |
| 1204 | who served her country honorably, | 荣誉地为她的国家服务, |
| 1205 | and I'm never gonna forget about her. | 我永远不会忘记她。 |
| 1206 | I'm never gonna forget this conversation, | 我永远不会忘记这个谈话, |
| 1207 | and I wanna continue this conversation offline | 我想继续这个谈话 离线 |
| 1208 | because that raises the second point. | 因为这提出了第二点。 |
| 1209 | When you talk about failures that we were implicated, | 当你谈论失败 我们被牵连, |
| 1210 | the administration, the Department of War, | 行政部门 战争部 |
| 1211 | whoever you wanna say was implicated in, | 你想说的人与此事有关 |
| 1212 | I wanna know about that stuff | 我想知道这些东西 |
| 1213 | because if there were failures, | 因为如果有失败, |
| 1214 | and I don't doubt that there were, | 我毫不怀疑有这样的情况 |
| 1215 | literally the first time I've heard of this | 我第一次听说这个 |
| 1216 | is this conversation, and I want to fix that stuff. | 这是谈话, 我想修复的东西。 |
| 1217 | I do not want this stuff to happen. | 我不想发生这种事 |
| 1218 | I will say, Joey, we have tried to learn | 我会说,乔伊,我们努力学习 |
| 1219 | because warfare has changed, drones are cheap, | 因为战争改变了 无人机很便宜 |
| 1220 | they're very deadly, they're easy to manufacture, | 它们非常致命 很容易制造 |
| 1221 | and we have changed a lot of our tactics | 我们改变了很多战术 |
| 1222 | to try to suppress that drone fire, | 试图抑制无人机发射, |
| 1223 | to try to protect our troops, | 为了保护我们的部队 |
| 1224 | to make it so that more people | 让更多的人 |
| 1225 | don't have to pay the ultimate sacrifice, | 不必付出最后的牺牲, |
| 1226 | but I wanna understand what we can do better | 但我想知道我们能做得更好 |
| 1227 | and what those soldiers are seeing | 以及那些士兵所看到的 |
| 1228 | because part of the problem with this job, | 因为这工作的一部分问题, |
| 1229 | this job's an amazing honor, | 这份工作是惊人的荣誉, |
| 1230 | but you live in a bit of a bubble, | 但你生活在一个有点泡沫, |
| 1231 | and sometimes information doesn't filter up to me. | 有时信息不会渗透到我身上 |
| 1232 | This is an opportunity for it to filter right directly to me, | 这是它直接向我过滤的机会 |
| 1233 | and I promise you, I will take every single failure | 我答应你,我会接受每一个失败 |
| 1234 | extremely seriously and will work on it, | 非常认真,并且会努力的, |
| 1235 | and I promise you that one of the ways | 我答应你 方法之一 |
| 1236 | that I'm gonna show gratitude to your wife | 我要向你妻子表示感谢 |
| 1237 | is by taking this seriously and trying to figure out | 是认真对待这件事 并试图找出 |
| 1238 | what exactly happened and what exactly we can do better. | 到底发生了什么 究竟我们能做得更好 |
| 1239 | Now, it may be that some of the things | 也许有些事情 |
| 1240 | that you're talking about are things | 你在说什么是事情 |
| 1241 | where our tactics have already improved. | 我们的战术已经改进了 |
| 1242 | I know that there's some issues with, for example, | 我知道有些问题 比如说 |
| 1243 | just to get into the nitty-gritty a little bit, | 只是进入一点点小毛线, |
| 1244 | there were issues with where troops were located | 部队驻扎地点有问题 |
| 1245 | that we realized was a huge mistake | 我们意识到这是一个巨大的错误 |
| 1246 | and that we could do better on, and we have changed that. | 而且我们可以做得更好, 我们已经改变了这一点。 |
| 1247 | Now, I'm not gonna get into the details | 现在,我不会 进入细节 |
| 1248 | because, God forbid, I don't want the Iranians | 因为我不想要伊朗人 |
| 1249 | to learn something else where they're gonna use | 学习其他的东西 他们要去使用 |
| 1250 | to target somebody else's wife or somebody else's mother, | 瞄准别人的妻子或者别人的母亲, |
| 1251 | but, man, I promise you, | 但是,伙计,我向你保证, |
| 1252 | this is not something I'm gonna forget, | 这不是我要忘记的事 |
| 1253 | and I wanna talk to those soldiers, | 我想跟那些士兵谈谈 |
| 1254 | and I wanna talk to you to better understand | 我想和你谈谈 以更好的理解 |
| 1255 | what we can do. | 我们能做的。 |
| 1256 | It sounds like he's resolved to look into this for you. | 听起来他已经下定决心帮你查了 |
| 1257 | Does his answer satisfy you | 他的回答让你满意吗? |
| 1258 | for the purpose of this conversation | 为了这次谈话 |
| 1259 | and you'll continue it offline, or do you? | 你会继续下线,还是你? |
| 1260 | And you guys, you're gonna continue talking? | 你们还要继续说话吗? |
| 1261 | I promise you I'll work on it. | 我保证我会努力的 |
| 1262 | Okay. | 摆 |
| 1263 | God bless you. | 上帝保佑你们。 |
| 1264 | Mr. Vice President, something that happened | 副总统先生,发生的事 |
| 1265 | right here in the state of Michigan, | 就在密歇根州这里 |
| 1266 | it was back in March when a terrorist, | 在3月,当一个恐怖分子, |
| 1267 | inspired by Hezbollah, drove a pickup truck | 在真主党的启发下,开一辆皮卡 |
| 1268 | into Temple Israel in West Bloomfield, | 进入西布卢姆菲尔德的以色列圣殿 |
| 1269 | not far from where we're sitting. | 离我们坐的地方不远 |
| 1270 | There were hundreds of school children inside at the time, | 当时有数百名在校儿童 |
| 1271 | and tonight in the audience is a father | 今晚在观众中是个父亲 |
| 1272 | of some of those children, Eddie Rubin. | 一些孩子,艾迪鲁宾。 |
| 1273 | Eddie, the floor is yours. | 埃迪,地板是你的了。 |
| 1274 | First off, apologize. | 首先,请道歉。 |
| 1275 | You came hoping for Buckeyes and Republicans. | 你来找白凯和共和党 |
| 1276 | I'm a Wolverine and a Democrat, | 我是狼和民主党人 |
| 1277 | but appreciate you being here. | 不过谢谢你能来 |
| 1278 | My five-year-old daughter and my three-year-old son | 我五岁的女儿和三岁的儿子 |
| 1279 | survived the terrorist attack at their preschool | 在他们学前班的恐怖袭击中幸存下来 |
| 1280 | housed in our synagogue on March 12th, | 3月12日住进我们的犹太教堂 |
| 1281 | just a few miles away from here. | 离这里几英里远 |
| 1282 | I am very concerned about the rise | 我非常担心这种崛起 |
| 1283 | in anti-Semitism in this country. | 在这个国家的反犹太主义。 |
| 1284 | As a lifelong Democrat, I've traveled to D.C., | 作为终身民主党人,我去过华盛顿 |
| 1285 | I've pushed back against my own party, | 我拒绝参加自己的派对 |
| 1286 | and will have trouble and not the ability | 将遭遇重重的灾难, |
| 1287 | to feel comfortable voting for our Democratic candidate | 愿意投票支持我们的民主党候选人 |
| 1288 | in this election cycle. | 在这个选举周期。 |
| 1289 | But I'm not here to find out what he may or may not be doing. | 但我不是来查他到底在做什么的 |
| 1290 | I want to know what you will commit | 我想知道你将会做出什么 |
| 1291 | to doing about this problem with the right. | 解决这个问题的权利。 |
| 1292 | Will you publicly confront influential people | 你会公开面对有影响力的人吗? |
| 1293 | like Tucker Carlson in your own coalition | 就像塔克・卡尔森在你的联盟 |
| 1294 | who continue to spread anti-Semitic rhetoric | 他们继续散布反犹太言论; |
| 1295 | that has put a target on my children's back? | 这把目标放在了我的孩子的背上? |
| 1296 | So, Eddie, first of all, to be clear, | 所以,埃迪,首先要说清楚 |
| 1297 | your five- and three-year-old are okay? | 你5岁和3岁的孩子没事吧? |
| 1298 | Okay is a relative term. | 好吧,这是一个相对的术语。 |
| 1299 | Are they here with us? | 他们和我们在一起吗? |
| 1300 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 1301 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 1302 | My daughter still allowed bang, | 我女儿还是允许爆炸 |
| 1303 | dropped to the floor in coverage protection and cry, | 掉到地板上 保护,哭, |
| 1304 | allowed noises, and tries to understand | 允许噪音,试图理解 |
| 1305 | what she's experienced. | 她的经历 |
| 1306 | Not okay from that perspective. | 从这个角度来说,还不行。 |
| 1307 | And I'm very, very sorry about that. | 我对此感到非常非常抱歉。 |
| 1308 | And I will say I've met with the leadership | 我会说我见过领导 |
| 1309 | of the temple there, | 那座寺庙, |
| 1310 | and I've met with some of the security guards | 我见过一些保安 |
| 1311 | who, frankly, prevented what would have been | 坦白地说,他们阻止了 |
| 1312 | one of the worst terrorist attacks | 最严重的恐怖袭击之一 |
| 1313 | in the history of the United States of America, | 在美利坚合众国历史上, |
| 1314 | but for their bravery, and God bless them. | 但为了他们的勇敢 上帝保佑他们 |
| 1315 | And it's amazing. | 亦复不可思议. |
| 1316 | If you don't know anything about this story, | 如果你对这个故事一无所知 |
| 1317 | this guy would have killed, I think, | 这家伙会杀了,我认为, |
| 1318 | dozens of children, possibly worse, | 几十个孩子,也许更糟, |
| 1319 | were it not for a very brave security guard. | 不是为了一个非常勇敢的保安 |
| 1320 | And so thank God for him, | 感谢上帝保佑他 |
| 1321 | and thank God for you and your family that you're okay. | 感谢上帝,你和你的家人 你没事。 |
| 1322 | Here's what I'll say. | 今依此说. |
| 1323 | I condemn anti-Semitism. | 我谴责反犹太主义。 |
| 1324 | I condemn Jew hatred. | 我谴责犹太人的仇恨 |
| 1325 | I condemn anybody who would judge another human being | 我谴责任何人谁 谁会审判另一个人 |
| 1326 | based on who their mother or father were, | 基于他们的父母是谁, |
| 1327 | what their ethnicity was, what their religion is. | 他们的种族,他们的宗教是什么。 |
| 1328 | And I think that leadership, | 我认为领导者, |
| 1329 | that fundamental leadership principle has to start there, | 根本的领导原则必须从那里开始, |
| 1330 | that we can condemn this unequivocally. | 我们可以毫不含糊地谴责这一点。 |
| 1331 | I also think that we have to remember, | 我也认为我们必须记住, |
| 1332 | we gotta show some empathy for our fellow citizens. | 我们要对同胞表示同情 |
| 1333 | And I think you in particular, | 我特别认为你 |
| 1334 | I cannot imagine as a father, | 我不能想象作为一个父亲, |
| 1335 | I've got kids that are not that different ages from you, | 我有跟你不一样的孩子 |
| 1336 | I cannot imagine what you've been dealing with, | 我无法想象你一直在处理什么 |
| 1337 | what you dealt with on that day. | 那天你处理的事 |
| 1338 | And I'd ask all of our fellow Americans, | 我问所有美国同胞, |
| 1339 | whatever your background is, | 无论你的背景如何 |
| 1340 | try to understand the perspective of a father | 试着理解父亲的观点 |
| 1341 | getting that phone call and finding out, | 接到那个电话,然后发现, |
| 1342 | oh my God, I don't know if my little babies are okay. | 哦,我的上帝,我不知道 我的宝贝们是否没事。 |
| 1343 | And I think if we have that empathy, | 我认为,如果我们有这种同情, |
| 1344 | and we combine that with the simple principle | 我们把它和简单的原则结合起来 |
| 1345 | that we reject ethnic hatred, we reject Jew hatred, | 我们拒绝种族仇恨,我们拒绝犹太人的仇恨, |
| 1346 | I think that is a first start, but it's not hardly enough. | 我认为这是第一个开始,但这还不够。 |
| 1347 | If you look historically, | 如果你看历史, |
| 1348 | ethnic hatred has ebbed and flowed, | 民族仇恨的兴起和流传, |
| 1349 | not just in this country, but all over the world. | 不仅在这个国家,而且在世界各地。 |
| 1350 | In fact, I think what makes America unique | 事实上,我认为是什么使美国独一无二 |
| 1351 | is not that we've ever had racism in America, | 不是说我们在美国有过种族主义 |
| 1352 | I think what makes us unique | 我想是什么让我们独一无二 |
| 1353 | is that America's racial groups have gotten along, | 美国的种族团体相处融洽 |
| 1354 | ethnic groups, religious groups have gotten along | 种族群体,宗教团体已经融洽 |
| 1355 | a lot better here than they have in other places | 这里比其他地方好多了 |
| 1356 | in the world. | 在这个世界。 |
| 1357 | I'm not saying we're perfect, because we're not, | 我不是说我们是完美的,因为我们不是, |
| 1358 | but we do it a lot better. | 但我们做得更好 |
| 1359 | And I think that one of the things that we have to do | 我认为我们必须做的一件事 |
| 1360 | is recognize that there are people out there | 承认外面有人 |
| 1361 | who are, whether they're sick or evil or deranged | 谁是,无论他们生病 或邪恶或精神错乱 |
| 1362 | or however you wanna put it, | 或者,无论你想把它, |
| 1363 | they are targeting innocent school children | 他们的目标是无辜的学童 |
| 1364 | and we have to stop it. | 我们必须阻止它。 |
| 1365 | And my point about empathy, | 我的观点 关于同情, |
| 1366 | I wanna make one other point | 我想说另外一点 |
| 1367 | because I think this is a real difference | 因为我觉得这是个真正的区别 |
| 1368 | and I hate to be partisan here, | 我不想在这里成为游击队员, |
| 1369 | but I think it's a real difference, | 但我觉得这是个真正的不同 |
| 1370 | you're a Michigan voter, I assume, | 我猜你是密歇根州的选民 |
| 1371 | a real difference between Mike Rogers and Abdul El-Sayed, | 迈克·罗杰斯和阿卜杜勒·赛义德之间的真正区别 |
| 1372 | because if, God forbid, and we of course, | 因为,如果,上帝禁止, 当然我们, |
| 1373 | I know you most of all pray this would never happen, | 我知道你最希望这永远不会发生 |
| 1374 | but if there was a terrorist attack | 如果有恐怖袭击 |
| 1375 | or an attempted terrorist attack | 或恐怖袭击未遂 |
| 1376 | at an Islamic community center, | 在一个伊斯兰社区中心, |
| 1377 | do you know what Mike Rogers would do? | 你知道迈克罗杰斯会怎么做吗? |
| 1378 | He'd be the first person there | 他会是那里第一个人 |
| 1379 | praying with the people affected | 与受影响的人一起祈祷 |
| 1380 | and condemning that violence. | 并谴责这种暴力。 |
| 1381 | But when that happened to your community and your family, | 但当你的社区和家庭发生这种事时 |
| 1382 | what did Abdul El-Sayed do? | 阿卜杜勒·赛义德做了什么? |
| 1383 | He went around and said, hurt people, hurt people. | 他四处说,伤害别人,伤害别人。 |
| 1384 | Showing empathy, not with you and your family, | 表现出同情心,而不是对你和你的家人, |
| 1385 | which is where I think that we gotta show empathy, | 在那里,我认为 我们必须表现出同情, |
| 1386 | but showing empathy to a guy | 却对一个人表示同情 |
| 1387 | who nearly killed hundreds of innocent children. | 他们几乎杀死了数百名无辜的儿童。 |
| 1388 | So look, there are people in our coalition | 你看,我们联盟里有人 |
| 1389 | who certainly say terrible things, | 他们必定要说恶劣的话, |
| 1390 | things I disagree with, antisemitic things. | 我不同意的东西,抗疟疾的东西。 |
| 1391 | There's this podcaster who's obsessively | 有个脚踏车手执着 |
| 1392 | goes after me and my family, | 跟着我和我的家人 |
| 1393 | and I joke with my Jewish friends, | 我跟犹太朋友开玩笑 |
| 1394 | he also obsessively goes after Jews, | 他还执着地追逐犹太人, |
| 1395 | so we're in good company. | 所以我们是好伙伴 |
| 1396 | Or I guess, since you're a Democrat, | 或者我猜,既然你是民主党人, |
| 1397 | you might say you're in bad company, | 你可以说你在坏公司, |
| 1398 | but regardless, we're in the same boat. | 但不管怎样,我们在同一条船上。 |
| 1399 | I think we gotta condemn this stuff, | 我认为我们必须谴责这些东西, |
| 1400 | we gotta call it out, and I really believe, | 我们得叫出来, 我真的相信, |
| 1401 | I'm a big believer in free speech, | 我对言论自由很有信心 |
| 1402 | because I think sunlight is the best disinfectant. | 因为我认为阳光是最好的消毒剂 |
| 1403 | This is the final point I'll make, | 这是我最后要说的 |
| 1404 | I think that those people | 我觉得那些人 |
| 1405 | are always gonna lose the argument. | 总是会失去辩论。 |
| 1406 | And I know you're Jewish, I'm a devout Christian, | 我知道你是犹太人 我是个虔诚的基督徒 |
| 1407 | I think the antidote to ethnic hatred | 我认为是民族仇恨的解药 |
| 1408 | is fundamentally the message | 根本上是讯息 |
| 1409 | that we are all made in the image of God, | 我们都是以真主的名义造的, |
| 1410 | and I try to live that in my life, | 我试图生活在我的生活, |
| 1411 | and I certainly try to live that principle | 我当然要遵守这个原则 |
| 1412 | as a public official. | 作为公职人员。 |
| 1413 | Vice President Vance, you've mentioned a couple times | 万斯副总统,你说过几次了 |
| 1414 | tonight the importance of open conversation, | 今晚,公开对话的重要性, |
| 1415 | free speech, free expression, | 言论自由,言论自由, |
| 1416 | but there are some parents who have kids, | 但有些家长有孩子, |
| 1417 | some of them young voters, | 有些年轻选民, |
| 1418 | some of them voted for the Trump administration in 2024, | 他们中有些人在2024年投票支持特朗普政府, |
| 1419 | and they're worried about how some parts | 他们很担心某些部分 |
| 1420 | of the online right are affecting their kids. | 网络权利正在影响他们的孩子。 |
| 1421 | And I have one such voter here, Matthew Burford, | 我有一个这样的选民,马修・伯福德, |
| 1422 | he's a minister and a professor | 他是部长和教授 |
| 1423 | and a father of two young kids. | 和两个孩子的父亲 |
| 1424 | Matthew, the floor is yours. | 马修,地板是你的。 |
| 1425 | Hey, I teach college students in the South, | 嘿,我在南方教大学生 |
| 1426 | many of them are white men, | 他们中有许多人是白人, |
| 1427 | and I'm the father of two Gen Z children. | 我是两个Gen Z孩子的父亲 |
| 1428 | Many feel unheard and singled out. | 许多人感到没有听到,而且被挑出来。 |
| 1429 | I also hear bigoted rhetoric | 我也听到偏执的言论 |
| 1430 | and sweeping judgments about whole groups. | 和对各群体的批判。 |
| 1431 | At odds with what I think America's founding ideal | 与我想的美国建国理想不符 |
| 1432 | of equal dignity and equal value. | 尊严和价值平等。 |
| 1433 | So Mr. Vice President, | 副总统先生 |
| 1434 | how do you take these young men's frustration seriously | 你怎么看待这些年轻人的挫折 |
| 1435 | without ignoring the harmful rhetoric | 而不忽视有害的言辞 |
| 1436 | just to keep them in our coalition? | 就为了让他们加入我们的联盟? |
| 1437 | Well, first of all, | 嗯,首先,我们... |
| 1438 | I don't think you can ignore the harmful rhetoric, | 我不认为你可以忽视 有害的言辞, |
| 1439 | you gotta disagree with it. | 你不得不不同意这一点。 |
| 1440 | What I don't think is that censorship | 我不这么认为,审查制度 |
| 1441 | is the answer to these problems. | 是这些问题的答案。 |
| 1442 | I think that whenever you try to silence people | 我想每当你试图压制人们 |
| 1443 | rather than prove them wrong, | 而不是证明他们错了, |
| 1444 | you actually give power to these ideas. | 你给了这些想法力量 |
| 1445 | When you censor ideas, | 当你审查想法时 |
| 1446 | you can actually give them more power than they had | 你可以给他们比他们更强大的力量 |
| 1447 | when you're disagree with them | 当你不同意他们 |
| 1448 | and beating them on the field of a free exchange. | 在自由交流的战场上打败他们 |
| 1449 | I think that there is something very dark | 我觉得有些东西很暗 |
| 1450 | going on in the internet. | 在互联网上继续。 |
| 1451 | And the one thing I do try to remind people | 我唯一想提醒别人的事 |
| 1452 | is sort of an optimistic take on this | 这有点乐观 |
| 1453 | is that we know, | 是,我们知道, |
| 1454 | and I've seen some of the intelligence reports, | 我看过一些情报报告 |
| 1455 | we know that a lot of the most virulent racism | 我们知道很多最恶劣的种族主义 |
| 1456 | and anti-Semitism that exists online, | 和网上存在的反犹太主义, |
| 1457 | a lot of it's actually coming from foreign paid actors. | 大部分都是来自外国付费演员 |
| 1458 | So is what you're seeing real? | 你所看到的是真的吗? |
| 1459 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 1460 | Is it out there? | 在外面吗? |
| 1461 | Absolutely. | 当然 |
| 1462 | But I would resist the view | 但我会抵制风景 |
| 1463 | that most of our fellow citizens, | 我们大多数同胞, |
| 1464 | if you're a white guy, | 如果你是一个白人, |
| 1465 | most white guys have no problem with people | 大多数白人对人没有意见 |
| 1466 | based on their skin color. | 根据他们的肤色。 |
| 1467 | If you're a black guy working at a barbershop, | 如果你是在理发店工作的黑人 |
| 1468 | like Keyshawn, you're not attacking people | 像Keyshawn一样,你不能攻击别人 |
| 1469 | based on their skin color. | 根据他们的肤色。 |
| 1470 | Most of our fellow citizens are fundamentally decent people | 我们大多数的同胞 基本上都是体面的人 |
| 1471 | and I think we have to lean into that decency. | 我认为我们得靠在那种体面。 |
| 1472 | But let me, this is a very important point | 让我来,这是很重要的一点 |
| 1473 | because I thought a lot about this, okay? | 因为我想了很多,好吗? |
| 1474 | And I was talking with my wife probably five, six years ago | 我和我妻子说话 大概是在五年六年前 |
| 1475 | before I ever got into politics. | 在我从政之前 |
| 1476 | And we had heard somebody say something about | 我们听到有人说 |
| 1477 | this person is a mediocre white man | 这个人是个平庸的白人 |
| 1478 | as a criticism of ideas that they had seen | 批评他们所看到的想法 |
| 1479 | or this guy has a white privilege | 或这个人有白人特权 |
| 1480 | so you could ignore what they're saying. | 这样你就可以无视他们说的话了 |
| 1481 | I do think, and I'm not justifying it, | 我觉得,我没有为它辩护, |
| 1482 | but I do think that one of the ways | 但我确实认为 方法之一 |
| 1483 | that we're making a huge mistake | 我们犯了一个巨大的错误 |
| 1484 | and we have made a huge mistake in this country | 我们在这个国家犯了个大错误 |
| 1485 | is by re-allowing the demonization | 就是通过重新接纳恶魔化 |
| 1486 | of people with skin color. | 有肤色的人。 |
| 1487 | And when you demonize a guy because he's white, | 当你妖魔化一个人 因为他是白人, |
| 1488 | it's just as evil as when you demonize a guy | 就像你妖魔化一个人一样邪恶 |
| 1489 | because he's black. | 因为他是黑人 |
| 1490 | And most of the people, by the way, | 顺便说一句,大多数人 |
| 1491 | most of the white guys who hear somebody say, | 大多数白人听到有人说 |
| 1492 | you have white privilege | 你有白人特权 |
| 1493 | so we can ignore what you're saying | 这样我们就可以无视你说的 |
| 1494 | or use white man as an insult | 或用白人作为侮辱 |
| 1495 | as opposed to just a descriptor. | 而不是仅仅描述。 |
| 1496 | When you do that, | 当你这样做, |
| 1497 | most people are gonna get a little annoyed. | 大多数人会生气的 |
| 1498 | They're gonna go on living their lives. | 他们会继续生活下去 |
| 1499 | But some people will get radicalized | 但有些人会变得激进 |
| 1500 | into some very dangerous ideas. | 进入一些非常危险的想法。 |
| 1501 | And I think that we have to confront both sides of this. | 我认为,我们必须面对这两方面。 |
| 1502 | The very dark rhetoric we see | 我们看到的非常黑暗的言论 |
| 1503 | from certain corners of the right, | 从右边的角落, |
| 1504 | but also the way in which in the last administration | 在上届政府中 |
| 1505 | in particular, explicit racial discrimination was normalized | 特别是,明确的种族歧视已经正常化。 |
| 1506 | and it's not shocking that a lot of people reacted to it | 很多人对此的反应并不令人震惊 |
| 1507 | in the wrong way. | 以错误的方式。 |
| 1508 | We can reject the reaction, | 我们可以拒绝这个反应, |
| 1509 | but we also have to understand it is inevitable | 但我们也必须明白这是不可避免的 |
| 1510 | when you demonize people that they respond | 当你妖魔化人时,他们的反应是: |
| 1511 | in non-productive ways. | 在非生产性方式。 |
| 1512 | Mr. Vice President, | 副总统先生, |
| 1513 | you mentioned a couple of minutes ago | 你几分钟前说过 |
| 1514 | that in a couple of years, you might be out of a job. | 几年后 你可能失业了 |
| 1515 | That even in the structure of the sentence | 即使是在句子的结构 |
| 1516 | suggests that you'd be running for a continued job. | 暗示你会继续竞选 |
| 1517 | Not necessarily. | 不见得. |
| 1518 | No? | 是吗? |
| 1519 | So there's a chance. | 故有机缘. |
| 1520 | Okay, so let's go right there. | 好吧,让我们去那里。 |
| 1521 | Is there a chance you don't run for president in 2028? | 你是否有机会在2028年不竞选总统? |
| 1522 | Of course there's a chance. | 当然有机会 |
| 1523 | Yeah, I mean, we've got four little kids. | 是啊,我的意思是,我们有四个孩子。 |
| 1524 | My wife has never loved politics. | 我妻子从不爱政治 |
| 1525 | She loves public service. | 她喜欢公共服务。 |
| 1526 | I think you can do a lot of good in this job | 我想你做这个工作能做很多好事 |
| 1527 | and I've tried to do as much good as possible, | 我尽力了 |
| 1528 | but I really, people ask me this question all the time | 但我真的,人们总是问我这个问题 |
| 1529 | and I think they assume, because I'm a politician, | 我认为他们假设, 因为我是一个政治家, |
| 1530 | of course she's gonna run for president in 2028. | 她当然会在2028年竞选总统 |
| 1531 | The way that I think about big life decisions, | 我对人生决定的思考方式 |
| 1532 | my wife will tell you this, is I'm a procrastinator. | 我老婆会告诉你的 我是个拖延者 |
| 1533 | I hate thinking about it. | 我讨厌想这个 |
| 1534 | And what will happen is that, first of all, | 会发生什么是, 首先, |
| 1535 | after all of these fine people elect Mike Rogers, | 经过所有这些优秀的人 选出迈克罗杰斯, |
| 1536 | United States Senator for the state of Michigan, | 美国密歇根州参议员, |
| 1537 | what's gonna happen is, then I'll have to think about it. | 接下来会发生什么,然后我不得不考虑一下。 |
| 1538 | And then I will actually have to make a decision, | 然后我就不得不做个决定 |
| 1539 | but you know, anything could happen, man. | 但你知道,任何事都可能发生,伙计。 |
| 1540 | Wow, anything could happen. | 哇,什么都可能发生。 |
| 1541 | I do find it hard to believe | 我觉得很难相信 |
| 1542 | that you haven't begun to make some plans, | 你还没有开始做一些计划, |
| 1543 | even as a procrastinator. | 乃至如是等诸众生. |
| 1544 | You've got the Naval Observatory, | 你有海军天文台 |
| 1545 | 130 acres or whatever it is. | 130英亩左右. |
| 1546 | You've got that back porch you've talked about, | 你有你说过的后门廊, |
| 1547 | having a beer with Usha at the end of the day. | 最后和乌莎喝啤酒 |
| 1548 | Yep. | 对 |
| 1549 | This is the time of the year | 现在是一年的时间 |
| 1550 | when families talk about plans for next summer. | 当家人谈论 明年夏天的计划。 |
| 1551 | Are you going to Disney? | 你要去迪士尼吗? |
| 1552 | Are you gonna book this vacation place? | 你要订这个度假地吗? |
| 1553 | Are you gonna run for president? | 你要竞选总统吗? |
| 1554 | Is your brother gonna run for president? | 你哥哥会竞选总统吗? |
| 1555 | Every husband in the room here knows | 这里每个丈夫都知道 |
| 1556 | you're definitely talking about it. | 你绝对是在谈论它。 |
| 1557 | We're really not, though. | 我们真的不是,虽然。 |
| 1558 | We're really not. | 我们真的不是。 |
| 1559 | It's, whenever it comes up, | 这是,每当它出现, |
| 1560 | it's always, let's figure it out after the midterms. | 总是,让我们在中期后想清楚。 |
| 1561 | And that's what we're trying to do, man. | 这就是我们想做的,伙计。 |
| 1562 | Elect as many good candidates as possible. | 选出尽可能多的优秀候选人。 |
| 1563 | Τㄇ | |
| 1564 | I think are really good people running. | 我认为是真正的好人运行。 |
| 1565 | I mean, look, not talking about 28, but 26. | 我的意思是,你看,不是说28,而是26。 |
| 1566 | The reason to vote for Michael Rogers, | 投票给迈克尔·罗杰斯的理由 |
| 1567 | it's not because you're gonna agree with him on every issue | 不是因为你会同意他的意见 |
| 1568 | because nobody will. | 因为没有人会 |
| 1569 | I know him. | 我认识他 |
| 1570 | He's a good dude. | 他是个好人 |
| 1571 | And I think that what I've seen in Washington | 我觉得我在华盛顿看到的 |
| 1572 | is that the people who thrive | 即兴盛的民众, |
| 1573 | and the people who actually do a good job | 以及那些真正做得很好的人 |
| 1574 | for their people are people of character. | 他们的百姓确是有品德的。 |
| 1575 | Michael Rogers is a guy of character, | 迈克尔·罗杰斯是个很有品格的人 |
| 1576 | so I hope you guys vote for him. | 所以我希望你们投给他 |
| 1577 | Not you, I guess you're not a Michigander. | 不是你 我猜你不是密歇根人 |
| 1578 | No, I live in the state of New York. | 不,我住在纽约州 |
| 1579 | The Republic of Brooklyn. | 布鲁克林共和国. |
| 1580 | Vice President J.D. | 副总统J.D. |
| 1581 | Vance, thank you very much. | 万斯,非常感谢 |
| 1582 | Appreciate it. | 谢谢 |
| 1583 | No comment. | 没有评论。 |
| 1584 | Thank you all. | 谢谢大家 |
| 1585 | Thank you to our questioners. | 谢谢你的问客。 |
| 1586 | Thank you to our audience. | 谢谢你的观众。 |
| 1587 | Thank you to the vice president. | 谢谢副总统 |
| 1588 | 你可以在cbsnews.com上观看市政厅 | |
| 1589 | and also on our YouTube page. | 也出现在我们的YouTube网页上 |
| 1590 | And CBS News will have many more conversations | 还有CBS 新闻会有更多对话的 |
| 1591 | on the things that matter, | 对于重要的事情, |
| 1592 | topics that are important to Americans | 对美国人很重要的专题 |
| 1593 | across the political divide. | 跨越政治鸿沟。 |
| 1594 | So please stay tuned. | 所以请继续听 |
| 1595 | I'm Tony Dacopo for CBS News. | 我是CBS新闻的托尼·达科波 |
| 1596 | Good night. | 边 |
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