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前英国脱欧大臣戴维·戴维斯十年后揭露脱欧谈判真相 | 202

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0:01David Dovis, thanks for coming in to talk about Brexit, 10 years on.大卫·多维斯 谢谢你来谈布莱克西特 十年了
0:05Does it feel like 10 years?感觉像十年吗?
0:06It feels like a century.感觉就像一个世纪。
0:15David, you've been an MP since 1987, which is nearly 40 years.大卫,你从1987年起就当国会议员了 差不多40年了
0:19That's 39 years right now, yeah.这是39年了,现在,是的。
0:21That's a long, long time.这是一个很长,很长的时间。
0:22A lot of people maybe watching this won't have been alive when you became an MP.很多人可能看着这个 当你成为一名议员时 就不会活着了
0:26There's the odd MP who was born in that time.有奇异的议员 谁出生在那个时代。
0:30Yeah, I can imagine.是啊,我能想象出来。
0:31Probably including someone who wants to be a Labour leader.也许包括一个想成为工党领袖的人
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1David Dovis, thanks for coming in to talk about Brexit, 10 years on.大卫·多维斯 谢谢你来谈布莱克西特 十年了
2Does it feel like 10 years?感觉像十年吗?
3It feels like a century.感觉就像一个世纪。
4David, you've been an MP since 1987, which is nearly 40 years.大卫,你从1987年起就当国会议员了 差不多40年了
5That's 39 years right now, yeah.这是39年了,现在,是的。
6That's a long, long time.这是一个很长,很长的时间。
7A lot of people maybe watching this won't have been alive when you became an MP.很多人可能看着这个 当你成为一名议员时 就不会活着了
8There's the odd MP who was born in that time.有奇异的议员 谁出生在那个时代。
9Yeah, I can imagine.是啊,我能想象出来。
10Probably including someone who wants to be a Labour leader.也许包括一个想成为工党领袖的人
11Could be.也许吧
12You were a Europe minister and a John Major.你是一位欧洲部长和约翰少校
13What was the impression of Brussels that you got from your time working there in the late 90s?你从90年代后期工作到布鲁塞尔的印象是什么?
14Bureaucratic, undemocratic, slightly hypocritical.官僚主义,不民主主义,略为虚伪.
15It always presents itself as a free trade area, whereas in fact it's the biggest protectionist block in the world.它总是呈现为自由贸易区,而事实上它是世界上最大的保护主义屏障.
16I was a sort of approving Eurosceptic.我同意欧洲怀疑论
17I was sceptical about the way it ran.我对它的运作方式持怀疑态度.
18I thought there were all sorts of problems with it.我以为它有各种各样的问题。
19But at the end of the day, I rather approved of the aim, which is to stop war in Europe.但最终,我相当赞同这个目标,那就是停止欧洲的战争.
20To tie particularly France and Germany closely together so there couldn't be another war.把法国和德国紧密联系起来 这样就不会有另一场战争了
21And I thought that was bluntly a price worth paying for giving up a bit of our democracy.我直言不讳地认为这是一个值得付出的代价 放弃了一点我们的民主。
22Ten years before Brexit, I was still in favour of staying in.在布雷克西特的十年前,我仍然赞成留在这.
23The thing that changed my mind was the treatment of Greece.改变了我的想法的是对待希腊。
24And Greece was brought into the European currency by fraud, frankly.坦率地说,希腊被骗入欧洲货币。
25They rigged the figures overnight.他们一夜之间操纵了数字。
26One of the big American merchant banks was involved in it.美国大商银行之一参与其中.
27They all knew, I mean, if we did it, it would be a criminal offence, you know, with a sort of private sector company.他们都知道,我的意思是,如果我们这样做, 这将是一种刑事犯罪, 你知道,与某种私营部门的公司。
28They rigged Greece's balance sheet overnight to get it in.他们整夜操纵希腊的资产负债表
29And then when it couldn't stay in, which should have been obvious, they then didn't bail it out.然后当它不能留在, 这应该是显而易见的, 然后他们没有保释出来。
30They abandoned it, you know, massive unemployment, shutting of hospitals,他们放弃了它,你知道, 大规模的失业,关闭医院,
31hundreds of thousands of young Greeks leaving the country to try and find somewhere else to find a job, desperate damage.数十万年轻的希腊人离开这个国家,试图寻找别的地方找工作,绝望的伤害.
32And the Germans just shrugged and the French just shrugged.而德国人则刚刚发抖,法国人则刚刚发抖.
33And that was that.就是这样
34And I thought, you know, well, this is the demonstration of democracy not working.我想,你知道,这是 民主不起作用的示范。
35But there were two issues that people will probably remember if they're old enough to remember at that time.但有两个问题,人们很可能会记得,如果在那个时候他们已经足够大,可以记得.
36One was that you had the rise of Nigel Farage in UKIP, which I think rather put the wind up there with Cameron.其中一个是,你得到了奈杰尔·法拉吉的崛起 在UKIP, 我认为它把风 在那里与卡梅伦。
37And the other thing was that the Tory party was desperately split over Europe.另一件事是,托里党 被疯狂地分裂在欧洲。
38And is it fair to say that Cameron thought he could sort of put those two issues to bed by having a referendum,卡梅伦认为他可以通过全民公决 解决这两个问题
39which he obviously thought he would win or that the Remainers would win,他确已猜想自己是赢的,还是余生是赢的。
40and that that would therefore sort of kill off the Farage threat by telling him that the people don't want it.告诉他人民不希望法拉吉威胁发生
41And also it would heal the divisions or at least force people to accept a certain state of affairs within the Tory party.也会治愈分裂或至少迫使人们接受托里党内部的某种状态.
42And so he had two referendums under his belt, which he'd won.因此,他有两次公投在他的腰带下, 他赢了。
43So maybe that made him overconfident.也许这让他过度自信了
44So Brussels thought we don't need to give him anything because what's going to happen?所以,布鲁塞尔认为我们不需要给他任何东西 因为会发生什么?
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