缅因州参议院最后辩论谈制衡川普与民主风险 | 2026.10
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:10 | Hello and welcome to this Your Vote 2026 debate between the two candidates for U.S. Senate. | 欢迎你们参加2026年投票辩论 美国参议院两位候选人 |
| 0:18 | I'm Maine Publix Jennifer Rooks and we are live at the Gracie Theater at Hussin University in Bangor. | 我是缅因州普布利克斯·珍妮弗·鲁克斯 我们在班戈尔大学格蕾西剧院现场直播 |
| 0:24 | For the next hour we will hear from Republican Senator Susan Collins who is seeking her sixth | 接下来一小时,我们将听取 共和党参议员苏珊·柯林斯 正在寻找她的第六位 |
| 0:30 | term in office and Democratic challenger Troy Jackson, a former logger who served as president | 总统前伐木工特洛伊·杰克逊 |
| 0:37 | of the Maine Senate. | 缅因州参议院。 |
| 0:38 | This debate is in partnership with News Center Maine and the Portland Press | 这次辩论是与缅因新闻中心和波特兰出版社合作进行的。 |
| 0:42 | Herald. | 先驱报. |
| 0:43 | Our panel of journalists, Maine Publix chief political correspondent Steve Missler | 我们的记者小组,缅因州首席政治记者 史蒂夫·米斯勒 |
| 0:48 | and Phil Hershkorn, political reporter for News Center Maine. | 和菲尔·赫什科恩,缅因新闻中心的政治记者. |
| 0:52 | We will begin with one minute opening | 我们从一分钟开始 |
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| 1 | Hello and welcome to this Your Vote 2026 debate between the two candidates for U.S. Senate. | 欢迎你们参加2026年投票辩论 美国参议院两位候选人 |
| 2 | I'm Maine Publix Jennifer Rooks and we are live at the Gracie Theater at Hussin University in Bangor. | 我是缅因州普布利克斯·珍妮弗·鲁克斯 我们在班戈尔大学格蕾西剧院现场直播 |
| 3 | For the next hour we will hear from Republican Senator Susan Collins who is seeking her sixth | 接下来一小时,我们将听取 共和党参议员苏珊·柯林斯 正在寻找她的第六位 |
| 4 | term in office and Democratic challenger Troy Jackson, a former logger who served as president | 总统前伐木工特洛伊·杰克逊 |
| 5 | of the Maine Senate. | 缅因州参议院。 |
| 6 | This debate is in partnership with News Center Maine and the Portland Press | 这次辩论是与缅因新闻中心和波特兰出版社合作进行的。 |
| 7 | Herald. | 先驱报. |
| 8 | Our panel of journalists, Maine Publix chief political correspondent Steve Missler | 我们的记者小组,缅因州首席政治记者 史蒂夫·米斯勒 |
| 9 | and Phil Hershkorn, political reporter for News Center Maine. | 和菲尔·赫什科恩,缅因新闻中心的政治记者. |
| 10 | We will begin with one minute opening | 我们从一分钟开始 |
| 11 | statements. | 发言。 |
| 12 | The order was determined by random drawing prior to the broadcast so first up is | 顺序是在广播前随机绘制的 所以首先 |
| 13 | Susan Collins. | 苏珊·柯林斯. |
| 14 | It's great to be here at Hussin tonight where I once worked. | 很高兴今晚能来胡辛工作 |
| 15 | Students here | 这里的学生 |
| 16 | inspired me to introduce one of my very first bills. | 启发我介绍我最早的帐单之一 |
| 17 | It provided a tax deduction for the | 该公司为索赔人提供了减税。 |
| 18 | interest on student loans. | 学生贷款利息。 |
| 19 | As the first Maine senator in nearly a century to chair the Appropriations | 作为缅因州近一个世纪来首位主持拨款的参议员 |
| 20 | Committee I have secured 1.5 billion dollars for 672 community projects during the past five years. | 在过去五年中,第一委员会为672个社区项目获得了15亿美元。 |
| 21 | This has required hard work, knowledge, and seniority. | 这需要辛勤工作、知识和资历。 |
| 22 | The question for voters in this | 选民的问题 |
| 23 | campaign is who can do more for Maine. | 竞选是谁可以为缅因州做更多。 |
| 24 | If I'm re-elected I will be fifth in seniority and | 如果我再次当选,我将成为第五个资历和 |
| 25 | continue to run the Appropriations Committee. | 继续管理拨款委员会。 |
| 26 | So I ask for your support so that I can continue | 所以我请求你支持,这样我才能继续 |
| 27 | my work for you. | 我的工作给你。 |
| 28 | And now to Troy Jackson. | 现在去特洛伊杰克逊 |
| 29 | Well thank you everyone. | 谢谢大家 |
| 30 | I'm Troy Jackson. | 我是特洛伊・杰克逊。 |
| 31 | I'm a | 我是一个 |
| 32 | 来自Allagash的生成日志器。 | |
| 33 | You know right now in this country there's a lot of chaos. | 你知道现在这个国家 有很多混乱。 |
| 34 | People are worried, they're scared. | 人们担心,害怕。 |
| 35 | Tonight open enrollment starts for Medicare and you know I | 今晚开放的入学开始 医疗保险,你知道我 |
| 36 | believe strongly that people shouldn't have to go not understanding if they know their doctor, | 坚信人们不应该去 不理解 如果他们知道自己的医生, |
| 37 | not understanding if they can go get prescription drugs. | 不知道他们能不能去买处方药 |
| 38 | You know Senator Collins helped advance | 你知道柯林斯参议员帮助推进 |
| 39 | the big beautiful bill that cut 3.5 billion dollars out of our health care system here in Maine. | 我们缅因州医疗体系中35亿美元 被切断的巨款 |
| 40 | Cut SNAP benefits, cut heating assistance, a whole bunch of different things. | 减少SNAP的好处 减少供暖援助 一大堆不同的东西 |
| 41 | That's so that | 就是这样 |
| 42 | billionaires in this country could have another income tax cut. | 这个国家的亿万富翁还可以再减所得税 |
| 43 | That's what people in Maine are | 缅因州人就是这样 |
| 44 | dealing with. | 处理。 |
| 45 | I mean that's the struggle that they have right now and for me I don't owe Donald Trump | 我的意思是,这就是他们现在的斗争, 对于我,我不欠唐纳德·特朗普 |
| 46 | or the billionaires anything. | 或亿万富翁任何东西。 |
| 47 | I owe the people of Maine everything. | 我欠缅因州人民的一切 |
| 48 | That's who I'm going to be | 那就是我要成为的那个人 |
| 49 | fighting for like I have in the Maine legislature. | 就像我在缅因州立法机关里一样 |
| 50 | I'll continue in the US Senate and I ask for your | 我会继续在美国参议院,我问你 |
| 51 | questions. | 问题。 |
| 52 | Each candidate will have one minute to respond. | 每个候选人将有一分钟时间作出回应。 |
| 53 | Our first question is from Phil Hirschkorn. | 我们的第一个问题来自菲尔・赫什科恩。 |
| 54 | Good evening. | 边 |
| 55 | The eyes of the nation are on this Senate race because the road to a Senate majority | 整个国家都在关注参议院的比赛 因为通往参议院多数的路 |
| 56 | runs through Maine and a handful of other states as we all know. | 环绕缅因州和我们都知道的少数其他州。 |
| 57 | Mr. Jackson make the case for me | 杰克逊先生为我辩护 |
| 58 | why the country would be better off with your help if the Democrats took over the US Senate | 如果民主党接管美国参议院 国家会更好 |
| 59 | and even the House. | 乃至众院. |
| 60 | Well sure. | 当然 |
| 61 | I mean I think these debates have made it very clear. | 我的意思是,我认为这些辩论已经非常清楚。 |
| 62 | I think | 我觉得 |
| 63 | Senator Collins actually agrees with me often about the fact that you know we would be able | 科林斯参议员其实也经常同意我的观点 你知道我们可以 |
| 64 | to make sure that we didn't have the next court appointee put on the court that was somebody that | 以确保我们没有 下一任法院的指定人 让法院的人 |
| 65 | was against Roe versus Wade. | 他反对罗和韦德 |
| 66 | Somebody that would actually restore that right. | 某个能真正恢复权利的人 |
| 67 | We wouldn't be doing | 我们不会这么做的 |
| 68 | billionaire tax cuts for the wealthiest people in this country with a big beautiful bill | 亿万富翁减税 国家最富有的人 和一个漂亮的大法案 |
| 69 | you know that have taken so much money out of our health care system made snap benefits heating | 你知道我们医疗体系里 花了这么多钱 给大家带来了快速的回报 |
| 70 | assistance. | 援助活动。 |
| 71 | We wouldn't be putting 70 billion dollars in ice where they're coming to our state | 我们不会把700亿美元的冰块 放在他们来我们州的地方 |
| 72 | and actually murdering people. | 和实际上杀人。 |
| 73 | We wouldn't be doing this insane bunch of trade wars that are | 我们不会做这些疯狂的贸易战争 |
| 74 | really crippling our economy and we wouldn't be in Iran where we are spending you know so much money | 真正打击我们的经济 我们不会在伊朗 在那里我们花了很多钱 你知道这么多钱 |
| 75 | so much waste but in the end blowing our fuel prices up to where people in the state aren't | 这么多浪费,但最终把我们的燃料价格 吹到州内的人没有的地方 |
| 76 | able to heat their homes. | 能够暖和他们的家。 |
| 77 | People log in fishing and forestry industry won't be able to run their | 人们在渔业和林业 无法经营他们的 |
| 78 | equipment. | 设备。 |
| 79 | People are going to start losing their businesses losing their homes because of | 人们会因为 |
| 80 | the Republicans insistence on doing what Donald Trump wants. | 共和党坚持按唐纳德·特朗普的要求行事. |
| 81 | Senator Collins same question for | 柯林斯参议员的同样问题 |
| 82 | you. | 你们 |
| 83 | What is the benefit to the country if Republicans with your help stay in control of | 如果共和党人在你的帮助下 继续控制着 |
| 84 | the Senate majority? | 参议院多数? |
| 85 | Well I think we've only to look back at the Biden administration when we had | 我想我们只要回顾一下拜登政府 |
| 86 | absolutely no control over our borders. | 绝对不能控制我们的边界 |
| 87 | We had millions of people coming here illegally often | 我们经常有数百万人非法来这里 |
| 88 | committing crimes and smuggling drugs. | 实施犯罪和走私毒品。 |
| 89 | I don't think we want to go back to totally open borders. | 我不认为我们想回到完全开放的边界。 |
| 90 | In addition I would point out a major difference between Troy and me. | 此外,我要指出特洛伊和我之间的重大区别。 |
| 91 | I vote very independently | 我投得非常独立 |
| 92 | of all the hundred senators. | 百名参议员中 |
| 93 | The studies show that I am the most bipartisan member of the Senate. | 研究表明,我是参议院中最两党议员。 |
| 94 | We need more people in the Senate. | 我们需要更多的人在参议院。 |
| 95 | We don't need more people who are going to vote a straight party | 我们不需要更多人来投票 |
| 96 | line. | 线条。 |
| 97 | We need people who will ask the question what is best for Maine and what is best for America. | 我们需要有人来问 缅因州最好做什么,美国最好做什么 |
| 98 | Thank you Phil. | 谢谢菲尔。 |
| 99 | Follow-up questions? | 后续问题? |
| 100 | Just for Senator Collins can you name a time when you voted | 只为柯林斯参议员,你能说出你投票的时候 |
| 101 | against your party and President Trump where it actually changed the outcome significantly? | 对你的党和特朗普总统的反对, |
| 102 | There are several examples of that. | 这方面有几个例子。 |
| 103 | At one point I had organized people to vote against | 我曾经组织人们投票反对 |
| 104 | Secretary Hegseth. | 秘书黑格塞斯。 |
| 105 | As you undoubtedly have read at the very last minute one of our Republicans | 正如您在最后一刻所读到的 我们的共和党人之一 |
| 106 | changed his mind. | 他改变了主意 |
| 107 | Otherwise he would have been defeated for that job. | 否则他会被打败的 |
| 108 | So that didn't change the outcome? | 所以结果没有改变? |
| 109 | It would have had that person stayed there. | 如果那个人留在那就好了 |
| 110 | There actually are 56 times when the outcome was changed according to an analysis | 根据分析,结果有56次改变 |
| 111 | that was done by the press. | 这是媒体做的。 |
| 112 | I voted against my own party more often than | 我经常投票反对自己的政党 |
| 113 | any other senator on either side of the aisle. | 过道两边的任何其他参议员 |
| 114 | That is not something that Troy could ever say. | 这不是特洛伊能说的 |
| 115 | He's going to be an automatic vote for the Democratic position no matter what. | 无论怎样,他都会自动投票支持民主党的立场. |
| 116 | We have | 我们有 |
| 117 | lost a lot of the centrists and one reason I'm running again is we need people who will work | 失去了很多中间派,我又竞选一个原因 就是我们需要工作的人 |
| 118 | across party lines. | 超越党的界限。 |
| 119 | Mr. Jackson when Bernie Sanders was with you last week and he said | 杰克逊先生 当伯尼・桑德斯上周和你在一起 他说 |
| 120 | Republicans are a rubber stamp for Trump. | 共和党是特朗普的橡皮图章. |
| 121 | She's saying you're going to be a rubber stamp for your | 她说你会成为你的橡皮图章 |
| 122 | party. | 派对 |
| 123 | How do you respond? | 你怎么回应? |
| 124 | Senator Collins likes to have it both ways. | 柯林斯参议员喜欢两边都有 |
| 125 | The reality is that 100% of | 现实是,100% |
| 126 | the time when Donald Trump needs her Susan Collins is going to be there. | 唐纳德·特朗普需要她 苏珊·柯林斯的到来 |
| 127 | That has happened time and | 这已经发生了时间和 |
| 128 | time again. | 再来一次 |
| 129 | The votes that she throws away are managed votes that she already knows the outcome. | 她放弃的选票是她已经知道结果的管理下的选票。 |
| 130 | She just brought up the Hegseth vote. | 她刚刚提起了Hegseth的选票。 |
| 131 | The other thing about this too is she consistently talks | 还有一件事是她一直说 |
| 132 | about how I don't get anything done. | 我怎么什么都没做 |
| 133 | I had 40 vetoes and Governor Mills, 50 with LePage. | 我有40个否决和州长米尔斯, 50与LePage。 |
| 134 | Those | 这些 |
| 135 | are bills that got passed. | 法案已经通过。 |
| 136 | How can I be a rubber stamp with my very own Democratic governor vetoing | 我怎么会是一个橡皮图章 我自己的民主党州长否决 |
| 137 | 40 of my bills? | 我的40张账单? |
| 138 | Senator Collins keeps wanting to play that game but it just isn't right. | 柯林斯参议员一直想玩这个游戏 但这是不对的 |
| 139 | | |
| 140 | knows better but she's trying to obviously make a point for the reason that she votes with Donald | 更清楚,但她显然想说点什么 因为她和唐纳德一起投票 |
| 141 | Trump 96% of the time is because she is the rubber stamp and we all know it. | 特朗普96%的时间是因为她是橡皮图章,我们都知道. |
| 142 | I have to do a rebuttal | 我得做个反驳 |
| 143 | on that because once again you have heard Troy say that I vote with the president 92 or 94% of the | 因为你再次听到特洛伊说 我投给了总统92%或94% |
| 144 | time. | 时间。 |
| 145 | That takes only a third of the votes. | 这只需要三分之一的选票。 |
| 146 | If you look at 90% of the votes you will find that I | 如果你看90%的选票 你会发现我 |
| 147 | voted with him 72% of the time, not 95% of the time. | 72%的时间和他一起投票,而不是95%的时间. |
| 148 | The other thing that he has said that is | 他所说的另一件事是 |
| 149 | just plain wrong is that I somehow am responsible for the Medicaid cuts in the big beautiful bill. | 完全错误的是 我对美援署的削减负责 |
| 150 | I have voted repeatedly against cutting the Medicaid program and the Medicare program. | 我曾多次投票反对削减医疗补助计划和医疗计划。 |
| 151 | That | 那个 |
| 152 | is just false. | 只是虚假的。 |
| 153 | I said that she advanced the bill out of committee. | 我说她把法案提了出来 |
| 154 | She keeps wanting to do that. | 她一直想这样做。 |
| 155 | No, I'd like to respond. | 不,我想回应。 |
| 156 | I said that she advanced out of committee. | 我说她退出委员会了 |
| 157 | They called her a team player | 他们称她为团队球员 |
| 158 | for doing that. | 因为这样做。 |
| 159 | Look, if she wants to argue about percentages 92, 95, 96, fine. | 听着,如果她想争论 百分比92,95,96,罚款。 |
| 160 | What I know is 100% | 我知道的就是百分之百 |
| 161 | of the time when Donald Trump votes Susan Collins for a vote, he gets it. | 当唐纳德·特朗普投票给苏珊·柯林斯时 他得到了它 |
| 162 | We're going to go to the | 我们要去 |
| 163 | national debt is roughly $40 trillion in accelerating following passage of the one big | 国家债务大约为40万亿美元,随着一个大债务的通过而加速。 |
| 164 | beautiful bill which adds another $4 trillion to that total. | 美丽的账单, 增加了4万亿美元的总金额。 |
| 165 | That debt means higher borrowing costs, | 债务意味着更高的借贷成本, |
| 166 | stagnant wages, and higher prices for Americans according to the government accountability office. | 工资停滞, 和更高的价格美国人 根据政府问责办公室。 |
| 167 | What steps will you take to reduce this problem? | 你将采取哪些步骤来减少这一问题? |
| 168 | Senator Collins, you go first, please. | 柯林斯参议员 请先走 |
| 169 | We do have a $40 trillion debt. | 我们确实有40万亿美元的债务。 |
| 170 | That is huge. | 这是巨大的。 |
| 171 | What's more troubling is the percentage of GDP | 更令人不安的是 占国内生产总值的百分比 |
| 172 | that our debt is the equivalent to. | 我们的债务相当于。 |
| 173 | One thing we need to do is to grow our economy, to not pursue | 我们需要做的是发展经济,不要追求 |
| 174 | policies as Troy would and as he has here in Maine that impose enormous tax burdens on the | 正如特洛伊在缅因州所做的那样 给美国带来了巨大的税收负担 |
| 175 | people of Maine. | 缅因州人民。 |
| 176 | The people of Maine have the fifth highest tax burden in the country. | 缅因州人民税收负担居全国第五位. |
| 177 | That stifles economic growth. | 这扼杀经济增长。 |
| 178 | We need to expand the economy. | 我们需要扩大经济。 |
| 179 | I also believe that if you look at what | 我也认为如果你看看 |
| 180 | we've done on the Appropriations Committee, you'll see that we have held the spending | 我们完成了拨款委员会,你会看到,我们已经保持了开支 |
| 181 | under our jurisdiction overall relatively flat. | 总体来说,我们所管辖的地区相对平坦。 |
| 182 | I think that is significant. | 我认为这很重要。 |
| 183 | We have terminated | 我们结束了 |
| 184 | hundreds of programs and we take a close look at every program. | 上百个节目 我们仔细看看每个节目 |
| 185 | Senator, Troy Jackson. | 特洛伊·杰克逊参议员. |
| 186 | I don't know what world Senator Collins is in where she started out with | 我不知道柯林斯参议员在什么世界 她从哪里开始的 |
| 187 | $4 trillion in debt. | 四万亿债务. |
| 188 | Now we have $40 trillion debt under her watch and somehow it's my fault. | 现在,我们有40万亿美元的债务 在她的监视下,不知何故,这是我的错。 |
| 189 | In Maine, we have a balanced budget. | 在缅因州,我们的预算平衡。 |
| 190 | Has it grown? | 长大了吗? |
| 191 | Yes, but it's still balanced. | 是的,但它还是平衡的。 |
| 192 | Senator Collins | 科林斯参议员 |
| 193 | keeps giving income tax cuts to the wealthiest people, blowing up our debt. | 不断给最富有的人减征所得税, 炸毁我们的债务。 |
| 194 | She doesn't care | 她不关心 |
| 195 | about everyday working class people. | 关于工人阶级的日常生活 |
| 196 | She took health care away. | 她把医疗带走了。 |
| 197 | She's taken SNAP benefits away. | 她把SNAP的好处拿走了 |
| 198 | I mean, it's just insane to stand there and try and argue that it's my fault that she increased | 我的意思是,它只是疯了 站在那里,试图争论 是我的错,她增加了 |
| 199 | the debt $36 trillion, but that's the world that Senator Collins lives in. | 债务36万亿美元, 但这就是 参议员柯林斯生活的世界。 |
| 200 | I have to respond. | 我必须回应。 |
| 201 | First | 第一届 |
| 202 | of all, Maine does not have a balanced budget right now. | 缅因州现在没有平衡的预算 |
| 203 | We know for a fact that Maine has a | 我们知道缅因州有个 |
| 204 | budget deficit of more than a billion dollars. | 预算赤字超过10亿美元。 |
| 205 | That happened under Troy's watch. | 那是在特洛伊的监视下发生的 |
| 206 | Troy Jackson. | 特洛伊・杰克逊 |
| 207 | I don't think I've been in the legislature for the past two or three years. | 二三年来我一直没有在立法机关任职. |
| 208 | I want to just add that that budget gap is a structural gap. | 我只想补充,预算差距是一个结构性差距。 |
| 209 | Well, it's a structural gap that | 这是一个结构性差距, |
| 210 | has come about as a result of policies that were adopted by the legislature. | 这是立法机构通过的政策的结果。 |
| 211 | Troy's right | 特洛伊说得对 |
| 212 | that Maine's supposed to have a balanced budget, but in fact it doesn't. | 缅因州应该有平衡的预算 但事实上没有 |
| 213 | The next governor and | 下一任州长 |
| 214 | legislature is going to inherit more than a billion dollar hole in the budget. | 立法机构将继承超过10亿美元的预算缺口。 |
| 215 | Compared to $36 trillion in the federal government, but look, here's the deal. | 与联邦政府的36万亿美元相比, 但看,这是交易。 |
| 216 | I mean, again, I wasn't | 我的意思是,再次,我没有 |
| 217 | in the legislature here for these last session. | 在立法机构的这最后一届会议。 |
| 218 | I didn't put the last budget together or anything | 我没有把最后的预算什么的 |
| 219 | like that. | 像这样 |
| 220 | I didn't know what the forecasts were for those last two years, but what I probably | 我不知道过去两年的预测是什么 但我可能 |
| 221 | imagine what has happened is that we are losing money because of Senator Collins being willing | 想象一下我们输钱是因为柯林斯参议员愿意 |
| 222 | {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}拿了所有的医疗费 {\fn黑体\fs22\bord1\shad0\3aHBE\4aH00\fscx67\fscy66\2cHFFFFFF\3cH808080}失去了所有医疗补助 | |
| 223 | 钱 失去SNAP的钱 失去LIHEAP的钱 | |
| 224 | I mean, I'm sure that a big part of that | 我的意思是,我敢肯定,一个大部分 |
| 225 | is because of what the federal government has done, why we're losing money, but again, I wasn't in | 是因为联邦政府所做的, 为什么我们输了钱, |
| 226 | the legislature to do that budget, but we always do have a balanced budget, and we will get this. | 我们的预算总是平衡的 我们会得到的 |
| 227 | The legislature will get this one balanced also. | 立法机构也会平衡这个 |
| 228 | I want to move on. | 我想继续前进。 |
| 229 | We have several questions | 我们有几个问题 |
| 230 | from the public, and I hope to get to some of them, and the first one we'll get to now. | 从公众,我希望能得到一些, 而第一个我们将得到现在。 |
| 231 | These | 这些 |
| 232 | are video questions that were submitted to the Portland Press Herald, our partner in this debate. | 我们的合作伙伴波特兰新闻先驱报的视频问题 |
| 233 | They have been vetted by our journalists. | 他们已经被我们的记者审查过 |
| 234 | After we hear this question, we'll go to Troy Jackson | 等我们听到这个问题,我们就去特洛伊杰克逊 |
| 235 | first for the answer. | 先为答. |
| 236 | My name is Bert Kamisky. | 我叫伯特・卡米斯基 |
| 237 | I'm a student at UMaine, and this is my question. | 我是UMAINE的学生,这是我的问题。 |
| 238 | Can you give me an example of a time you stood up to your own party on an issue that is important | 你能举个例子吗? 你为一个重要的问题 站在自己的党的一边 |
| 239 | to Maine, and what did you accomplish by doing so? | 到缅因州,你这样做有什么成就? |
| 240 | I mean, I think there's a number of times. | 我的意思是,我认为有几次。 |
| 241 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 242 | but the one that I think of right now is rejecting corporate PAC money. | 但我现在想到的是 拒绝公司PAC的钱。 |
| 243 | I think the Democrats are | 我认为民主党 |
| 244 | still too close to that. | 还是太接近了。 |
| 245 | I don't accept corporate PACs. | 我不接受公司PACs。 |
| 246 | I don't accept corporate money. | 我不接受公司的钱。 |
| 247 | This is a | 这个是 |
| 248 | campaign about fighting for everyday working class people, and that's one thing that I've | 关于为工人阶级的日常斗争的运动,这是我有一件事 |
| 249 | been consistent on. | 一直坚持下去 |
| 250 | Two issues. | 两个问题。 |
| 251 | I'm sorry, somebody's interrupting. | 对不起,有人打扰了 |
| 252 | We'll have our security | 保证我们的安全 |
| 253 | deal with that. | 处理这个。 |
| 254 | So this is obviously one of Troy's supporters. | 所以这显然是特洛伊的支持者之一. |
| 255 | I didn't, I don't even know that kid. | 我没有,我甚至不认识那孩子。 |
| 256 | Senator Collins, we'll give you the full minute to respond to the question from the | 柯林斯参议员,我们会给你 完整的一分钟来回答这个问题 |
| 257 | video when, go ahead. | 视频,当,继续。 |
| 258 | Would you like the question repeated from Brett Kamisky? | 你想从布莱特·卡米斯基那里重复这个问题吗? |
| 259 | He wants to know if | 他想知道,如果 |
| 260 | you can cite a time in which you differed from your party in an issue that was important to Maine. | 在缅因州很重要的问题上 你可以引用你和你的党有分歧的时期 |
| 261 | Yes, and the big, beautiful bill is the perfect example. | 是的,而大而美丽的法案是完美的例子。 |
| 262 | Troy keeps saying that that bill | 特洛伊一直说那张账单 |
| 263 | would have died if I had not voted to bring it to the floor. | 如果我没有投票表决把它付诸表决的话,早就死了。 |
| 264 | That's just not true. | 这不是真的 |
| 265 | The fact is that | 事实是 |
| 266 | the vice president would have broken any kind of tie vote and we would have proceeded, and it was | 副总统会打破任何一种 平手投票, 我们开始,它是 |
| 267 | far better to bring the bill to the floor so that I could add to it a $50 billion fund for rural | 最好把帐单拿下来 这样我就可以再加一个500亿美元的 农村基金 |
| 268 | health care. | 卫生保健。 |
| 269 | That is something Troy never could have gotten done. | 这是特洛伊不可能做到的 |
| 270 | So I nevertheless voted against | 所以我还是投了反对票 |
| 271 | the bill, even though it was the president's top legislative priority. | 尽管这是总统的最高立法优先 |
| 272 | I've also voted nine times | 我也投过九票 |
| 273 | against the president on the Iran war. | 在伊朗战争中反对总统 |
| 274 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 275 | The third question will be from Phil Herschkorn, | 第三个问题来自菲尔·赫施科恩 |
| 276 | and it will go to Senator Collins first. | 先交给柯林斯参议员 |
| 277 | You already brought up Defense Secretary Hegseth, | 你已经提起国防部长赫格塞斯 |
| 278 | how you voted against his confirmation. | 你如何投票反对他的确认。 |
| 279 | You also voted against confirming Attorney General Todd | 你也投了反对票,确认陶德总检察官 |
| 280 | Blanch more recently, and last year FBI Director Cash Patel. | 最近还有去年联邦调查局局长卡什·帕特尔 |
| 281 | And I know you have this philosophy | 我知道你有这个哲学 |
| 282 | that presidents should surround themselves with people who they want if they're qualified. | 总统应该和他们想要的人在一起 如果他们有资格的话 |
| 283 | So the | 所以说 |
| 284 | question is, do you regret voting to confirm Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy? | 问题是,你后悔投票确认 卫生部长罗伯特・肯尼迪? |
| 285 | A lot of you | 你们很多人 |
| 286 | asked us that one. | 问我们一个。 |
| 287 | And do you regret confirming the budget director Russell Vogt, who seems to | 你后悔确认预算主任拉塞尔·沃格特 |
| 288 | have gotten under your skin with all of these impoundments of money that the Senate has | 被元老院没收的钱 压在你皮下 |
| 289 | appropriated? | 盗用? |
| 290 | Well, first let me talk about RFK Jr. | 首先让我谈谈小RFK |
| 291 | I very much disagree with him on the issue of | 我非常不同意他关于 |
| 292 | vaccines, and also his theory that there's some sort of link between certain vaccinations | 他的理论是 某些疫苗之间有某种联系 |
| 293 | and autism. | 还有自闭症 |
| 294 | The overwhelming scientific evidence suggests that there is not. | 压倒性的科学证据表明不存在。 |
| 295 | I agree with him | 我同意他的意见 |
| 296 | strongly that we need to focus more on chronic diseases, such as cancer, such as Alzheimer's, | 我们更需要关注慢性病 比如癌症 比如老年痴呆症 |
| 297 | such as Parkinson's disease. | 例如帕金森的疾病。 |
| 298 | Those have not gotten the attention from the federal government | 联邦政府没有注意他们 |
| 299 | that infectious diseases have received. | 传染病已经感染。 |
| 300 | I also agree with his focus on ultra processed foods. | 我也同意他专注于超加工食品. |
| 301 | I think he's absolutely right about the health impacts and that they need more study. | 我认为他完全正确 关于健康影响, 他们需要更多的研究。 |
| 302 | So I agree | 我同意你的话 |
| 303 | with him on some issues disagree with him on others. | 与他在某些问题上意见不一。 |
| 304 | On Russell Vogt, it is true that we fight | 对罗素·沃格特来说,我们真的战斗 |
| 305 | on a lot of different issues, and I'm pleased to say that I often prevail, such as his proposed | 我很高兴地说,我经常胜诉,如他提议 |
| 306 | cuts on medical research. | 削减医学研究。 |
| 307 | Not only did we reject the 41% cut in medical research, we actually | 我们不仅拒绝医疗研究削减41% 事实上 |
| 308 | increased it from $415 million. | 从4.15亿美元增加。 |
| 309 | Mr. Jackson, let me just pivot the question a little bit for you. | 杰克逊先生,让我先问你个问题 |
| 310 | At a recent town hall of yours that I attended, someone in the audience asked whether you thought | 在最近我参加的一个市政厅, 有人在观众 问,你是否认为 |
| 311 | that Congress should impeach and remove from office Defense Secretary Hegseth, and you, | 国会应该弹劾并撤销国防部长黑格塞斯的职务 而你 |
| 312 | as I understood, said you were for that. | 正如我所理解的, 说,你是支持的。 |
| 313 | But is that really what the Senate or House should be | 但这是真的 参议院或众议院应该是 |
| 314 | doing if Democrats regain control, that kind of retribution, or focus more on governing? | 如果民主党重新获得控制, 那种报复, 或者更专注于治理? |
| 315 | Well, I think it's more about, early on, vetting these candidates, | 我觉得更像是 早期审查这些候选人 |
| 316 | having real scrutiny at the hearing, and when they tell you something, like Vogt did or RFK, | 当他们告诉你一些事情 就像Vogt或者RFK一样 |
| 317 | understanding what they're telling you, they're actually going to do. | 理解他们要告诉你什么, 他们实际上会做的。 |
| 318 | I don't think Senator | 我不觉得参议员 |
| 319 | Collins actually said if she regretted that vote or not. | Collins实际上说 如果她后悔投票与否 |
| 320 | I don't think she answered your question. | 我觉得她没有回答你的问题 |
| 321 | So do I think that's what we should be doing? | 那么,我认为我们应该这样做吗? |
| 322 | No. | 没有 |
| 323 | I mean, I think we need to deliver for the | 我的意思是,我觉得我们需要交付 |
| 324 | somebody. | 有人吗? |
| 325 | If there was a vote to impeach him, yeah, I would vote for that, but that's not my | 如果有投票弹劾他,是的,我会投票支持,但那不是我的 |
| 326 | focus. | 焦点。 |
| 327 | My focus is delivering for health care, prescription drugs, child care, I mean, things that | 我的重点是提供医疗,处方药, 儿童保育,我的意思是, |
| 328 | managers need right now more than ever, and getting out of Iran war so we can stabilize prices. | 管理者现在比任何时候都更需要 摆脱伊朗战争 这样我们才能稳定价格 |
| 329 | Do you want to say yes or no quickly on RFK? | 你想对RFK说是还是不是? |
| 330 | Is that a regret or not? | 这是否是一种遗憾? |
| 331 | No. | 没有 |
| 332 | As I said, I agree with him on some issues. | 正如我所说,我同意他在某些问题上的看法。 |
| 333 | I don't with the other. | 不与彼众生. |
| 334 | He was very helpful in | 他帮了大忙 |
| 335 | expediting the release of the low income heating assistance program. | 加快出台低保供热救助计划. |
| 336 | We are going to ask each | 我们要问每个 |
| 337 | candidate or allow each candidate to ask each other a question, and first up is Susan Collins. | 或允许每个候选人互相提问 首先是苏珊·柯林斯 |
| 338 | Troy, when you were replacing Graham Plattner, you promised to be totally transparent in your | 特洛伊 你接替格雷厄姆·普拉特纳的时候 你答应过要完全透明 |
| 339 | donors and donations. | 捐助者和捐款。 |
| 340 | Two nights ago at our debate, you said that the very next morning | 两天前我们辩论时 你说第二天早上 |
| 341 | you would provide your FEC report. | 你会提供你的FEC报告。 |
| 342 | You did not. | 你没有。 |
| 343 | You've also said that you would take no money | 你也说过不收钱 |
| 344 | from billionaires. | 从亿万富翁。 |
| 345 | That's not accurate. | 这不准确。 |
| 346 | You've also said that you would not take any corporate | 你也说过你不会接受任何公司 |
| 347 | PAC钱. | |
| 348 | That's not accurate. | 这不准确。 |
| 349 | The fact is you've been running hybrid ads with the Democratic | 事实是你一直在和民主党人合作 |
| 350 | Campaign Committee, which has taken funding from 28 billionaires and 190 corporate PACs. | 运动委员会,已经从28个亿万富翁和190个公司PAC获得资金。 |
| 351 | So how can you stand here when you have ads that are financed in part by the DSCC and have your | 所以,你怎么能站在这里 当你有广告 部分资金 由DSCC 并拥有你的 |
| 352 | disclaimer on them saying, I'm Troy Jackson, and I approve this message, and tell us that you're | 对他们说我是特洛伊・杰克逊 我同意这个信息 告诉我们你 |
| 353 | not benefiting from corporate PAC money and from billionaires? | 公司PAC资金和亿万富翁没有受益? |
| 354 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 355 | So those ads, obviously, | 所以这些广告,很明显, |
| 356 | are done without my approval, just like you know very well. | 未经我同意就完成了 就像你很清楚的那样 |
| 357 | I mean, Elon Musk is running ads for | 我的意思是,伊隆・穆斯克正在经营广告 |
| 358 | you. | 你们 |
| 359 | Actually, they're running ads out in Portland, Oregon for you. | 事实上,他们在俄勒冈州波特兰为你办广告 |
| 360 | But you also got an ad where you | 但你也得到了一个广告 在那里你 |
| 361 | use a Teamster official saying that he supports you. | 用一个Teamster的官员说他支持你。 |
| 362 | He's asked you for a cease and desist. | 他要求你停止和停止。 |
| 363 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 364 | did you know about that? | 你知道这件事吗? |
| 365 | I mean, I'm sure you didn't, but there it is. | 我的意思是,我敢肯定,你没有, 但在那里。 |
| 366 | As far as my report, | 至于我的报告, |
| 367 | I did say that I would get it to you in the morning, and I didn't make that claim. | 我确实说过我会在早上给你的 我没有提出这个要求 |
| 368 | And the | 还有 |
| 369 | campaign, 95% of them, less than $100. | 百分之九十五,不到一百块 |
| 370 | And there's a lot of work to do to put into that. | 和很多工作 投入。 |
| 371 | I got it in on time, just a day later. | 我及时得到它,只是一天后。 |
| 372 | But I had to make sure that this report was done right. | 但我必须确保这份报告的编写正确。 |
| 373 | It was my first one. | 这是我第一次 |
| 374 | I had to make sure it was right because I don't have Donald Trump getting | 我必须确定这是正确的 因为我没有唐纳德·特朗普得到 |
| 375 | me out of investigations like you do. | 我像你一样在调查之外 |
| 376 | And so I wasn't able, I had to make sure it was done right. | 所以我不能,我必须保证它做正确。 |
| 377 | Well, first of all, he did not answer the question correctly. | 首先,他没有正确回答问题 |
| 378 | These are ads, these are ads that have | 这些是广告,这些广告有 |
| 379 | his disclaimer on it. | 他的免责声明 |
| 380 | It says, I'm Troy Jackson. | 上面写我是特洛伊·杰克逊 |
| 381 | I approve this message. | 我同意这个消息。 |
| 382 | They are hybrid ads | 他们是混合广告 |
| 383 | 与DCC。 与DSCC。 | |
| 384 | The DSCC has received funding from 28 billionaires and more than 190 | DSCC已经从28个亿万富翁和190多个富翁那里获得了资金。 |
| 385 | corporate PACs. | 公司顾问。 |
| 386 | That totally violates the promise that Troy made. | 这完全违背了特洛伊的承诺。 |
| 387 | Troy, you have some time for a bottle. | 特洛伊 你有时间喝瓶酒 |
| 388 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 389 | I mean, because they have an ad | 我的意思是,因为他们有一个广告 |
| 390 | or they have something that says, I'm Troy Jackson, I mean, anyone can use that. | 或者他们有东西说,我是特洛伊杰克逊, 我的意思是,任何人都可以使用。 |
| 391 | I don't make those decisions. | 我不做那些决定。 |
| 392 | I mean, that would be illegal for me to make those decisions. | 我的意思是,这将是违法的 我做出这些决定。 |
| 393 | So I have no knowledge of those ads, who's paying for anything like that. | 所以我不知道这些广告是谁在花钱买的 |
| 394 | I know what's in my | 我知道这里面有什么 |
| 395 | campaign. | 竞选。 |
| 396 | I had $15,000 in oil and pharmaceutical money. | 我有15,000美元的石油和医药钱。 |
| 397 | I donated that to heating assistance places, | 我把它捐给了供暖处 |
| 398 | to food shelters, because I said I wasn't going to do that. | 因为我说过我不会这么做的 |
| 399 | And as far as the billionaires that | 至于亿万富翁 |
| 400 | might have on my campaign, that is accurate. | 也许在我的竞选中,这是准确的。 |
| 401 | But I haven't made any deals like Senator Collins has | 但我没有做任何交易 像参议员柯林斯有 |
| 402 | with those billionaires. | 与那些亿万富翁。 |
| 403 | I don't owe them any votes. | 我不欠他们任何选票。 |
| 404 | I'm going to tax those billionaires when | 我要向那些亿万富翁征税 |
| 405 | I get to the U.S. Senate. | 我去美国参议院 |
| 406 | So if they want to give me money during this campaign, I guess that's | 所以,如果他们想给我钱 在这场竞选,我想这是 |
| 407 | up to them. | 由他们决定。 |
| 408 | But they know that I don't owe them a thing like Senator Collins. | 但他们知道我不欠他们什么 像参议员柯林斯。 |
| 409 | Troy Jackson, it's your opportunity to ask Senator Collins a question. | 特洛伊杰克逊,这是你的机会 问柯林斯参议员一个问题。 |
| 410 | Sure. | 当然 |
| 411 | So look, you know, throughout this, especially these debates, you know, it's been very clear, | 所以,你知道,在整个这一切, 尤其是这些辩论, 你知道,这是非常清楚的, |
| 412 | you know, you said consistently that I don't have the experience. | 你一直说我没有经验 |
| 413 | You just said it tonight, | 你刚刚说了今晚, |
| 414 | that I wouldn't be able to do the things that you do. | 我不会做你做的事 |
| 415 | I mean, I know that, you know, growing up as | 我的意思是,我知道,你知道, 成长为 |
| 416 | a working class person, I have all kinds of experience. | 一个工人阶级的人,我有各种各样的经验。 |
| 417 | I know how hard it is for people | 我知道这对人有多难 |
| 418 | in Maine right now to pay their payments, put oil in the tank, different things. | 在缅因州,现在支付他们的付款, 把石油在油箱,不同的东西。 |
| 419 | I mean, I have the | 我是说,我有 |
| 420 | experience fighting for working class people, and they deserve a senator that respects them. | 他们有为工人阶级而战的经历 他们应该有一个尊重他们的参议员 |
| 421 | And so I guess, you know, what I'm curious about, is it just me that you look down on, | 所以我猜,你知道,我好奇的是, 你只看不起我, |
| 422 | or is it working class people overall? | 还是整个工人阶级? |
| 423 | Troy, I do not look down on you or on anyone. | 特洛伊,我不看不起你或任何人。 |
| 424 | I grew up in Caribou. | 我在卡里布长大的 |
| 425 | My first job was picking potatoes. | 我的第一个工作是选土豆。 |
| 426 | The community all came together during | 整个社区都聚集在一起 |
| 427 | the potato harvest to make sure that the farmers could get their crop in. | 土豆的收成可以保证农民的收成 |
| 428 | And I have worked since | 我从那时起就一直工作 |
| 429 | I was age 10, literally since I was age 10. | 我从10岁开始就十岁了 |
| 430 | I have enormous respect for all the people of Maine, | 我非常尊重缅因州的所有人, |
| 431 | and that's why I've worked so hard on the Appropriations Committee to make sure, | 所以我才在拨款委员会里努力工作 |
| 432 | contrary to what you said, that the low income heating assistance program was funded at the | 与你说的相反, 低收入供暖援助方案是在 |
| 433 | highest level ever. | 最高水平的 |
| 434 | And I've worked with Democrat Senator Jack Reed from Rhode Island to make sure | 我和来自罗德岛的民主党参议员杰克·里德合作过 |
| 435 | that that happened. | 发生的一切 |
| 436 | I've supported the WIC program that helps low income women with the | 我支持了WIC计划 帮助低收入女性 |
| 437 | infants and children to make sure they have the nutrition that they need. | 婴儿和儿童确保获得所需的营养。 |
| 438 | I have supported | 我支持过 |
| 439 | all the social safety net programs. | 所有社会安全网方案。 |
| 440 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 441 | The next question is from Steve | 下一个问题来自史蒂夫 |
| 442 | Missler, and we'll go to Troy Jackson first. | 小姐,我们先去特洛伊杰克逊 |
| 443 | Troy Jackson, both of you seem to agree that the | 特洛伊杰克逊,你们两个似乎都同意 |
| 444 | Iran War is becoming a quagmire while driving up costs for Americans. | 伊朗战争让美国人付出更多代价, |
| 445 | But how should the U.S. end | 但美国应该如何结束 |
| 446 | that conflict given that Iran now has greater control of the Strait of Hormuz, a vital shipping | 鉴于伊朗现在对重要航运霍尔木兹海峡拥有更大的控制权, |
| 447 | and should it just end strikes against Iran and accept that the country has this leverage now? | 是否应该结束对伊朗的袭击, |
| 448 | I don't agree that we both feel the same about this. | 我不同意我们都一样 |
| 449 | Senator Collins had an opportunity to stop | 柯林斯参议员有机会停下来 |
| 450 | it early on. | 它很早开始。 |
| 451 | She still does as Chair of Appropriations. | 她仍然担任拨款主席。 |
| 452 | I know she's going to say | 我知道她会说 |
| 453 | she voted against it nine times, but those are meaningless when she knows that the rest of her | 她投票反对了九次,但当她知道其余的她,这些是毫无意义的 |
| 454 | caucus is not going to support that. | 核心小组不会支持这一点。 |
| 455 | The way to block it now would be to shut off funding, | 现在阻止它的方法就是停止资助, |
| 456 | but I mean, I do think that now that we're into this, we have to make sure that our troops are | 但我想,我觉得现在我们进入了这个, 我们必须确保我们的部队是 |
| 457 | protected, thought of, made sure that we get them home safely. | 保护,思考,确保 我们带他们安全回家。 |
| 458 | But yeah, I think it's something that | 但是,是的,我认为它的东西 |
| 459 | we never should get into. | 我们不应该进入。 |
| 460 | And now we just need to get out of it and do it the most safely, | 而现在,我们只需要摆脱它 并做它最安全, |
| 461 | effective way to make sure our troops are protected. | 确保我们部队受到保护的有效方法。 |
| 462 | But we got to get out. | 但我们得出去 |
| 463 | We got to get out soon. | 我们得马上出去 |
| 464 | Senator Collins. | 柯林斯参议员 |
| 465 | The president should have had a good plan in advance for dealing with the Strait | 总统应该有好的计划 提前处理海峡 |
| 466 | of Hormuz because 20% of the world's oil goes through that. | 因为20%的世界石油都经过了 |
| 467 | But what that also tells us is that | 但是这也告诉我们 |
| 468 | we in our country should be energy independent. | 我们国家的能源应该独立 |
| 469 | I disagreed with the Biden administration's | 我不同意拜登政府的说法 |
| 470 | approach of stopping leasing in the Gulf of Mexico and cutting off the Keystone Pipeline, | 停止在墨西哥湾的租赁 切断关键石管道, |
| 471 | which would have brought oil in from Canada. | 会从加拿大运来石油 |
| 472 | We need permitting reforms so that we could have | 我们需要允许的改革,以便我们能够 |
| 473 | a pipe that brought natural gas from Pennsylvania to the state of Maine. | 从宾夕法尼亚州到缅因州的天然气管道 |
| 474 | It's cleaner and cheaper | 干净又便宜 |
| 475 | than heating oil. | 比加热油。 |
| 476 | We're far too dependent on other forces. | 我们太依赖其他力量了 |
| 477 | But here's what we have to do. | 但是,我们必须这样做。 |
| 478 | We have to negotiate with Iran and with our allies in the region to make sure | 我们必须与伊朗和我们在该地区的盟友谈判,以确保 |
| 479 | that Iran cannot continue enriching uranium to produce a nuclear weapon. | 伊朗不能继续浓缩铀以生产核武器。 |
| 480 | Just a quick follow-up for you, Senator. | 议员先生,你只是快速跟进 |
| 481 | And it's just a fundamental problem about, you know, | 这只是一个基本的问题 关于,你知道, |
| 482 | issue about war powers. | 关于战争力量的问题 |
| 483 | Do you think that this war would have happened if Congress had been | 如果国会... |
| 484 | consulted first? | 先咨询一下? |
| 485 | And should it have? | 应该有吗? |
| 486 | Congress definitely should have been consulted. | 国会绝对应该被咨询。 |
| 487 | But under | 不过在 |
| 488 | the War Powers Act, the president as commander in chief for the first 60 days has very broad | 《战争权力法》 总统担任头60天的总司令 范围很广 |
| 489 | authority to do whatever he wants essentially when it comes to a military conflict. | 在涉及军事冲突时,他有权做他想做的事。 |
| 490 | After 60 days, | 过了60天 |
| 491 | that's when I voted every single time with the Democrats to bring the conflict to a halt | 那时我每次都和民主党投票 让冲突停止 |
| 492 | because he did not have congressional authority to go to war. | 因为他没有国会的权力去打仗 |
| 493 | I mean, we did have an agreement | 我的意思是,我们有一个协议 |
| 494 | with Iran. | 与伊朗。 |
| 495 | President Obama had gotten an agreement. | 奥巴马总统达成协议了 |
| 496 | President Trump tore it up. | 川普总统撕毁它。 |
| 497 | And now we're stuck in another forever war that Senator Collins with all her power and might of | 现在又陷入了一场永远的战争 柯林斯参议员拥有她所有的力量和力量 |
| 498 | chair appropriations could have done more about, could still do more about it. | 主席的拨款可以做更多的事情,还可以做更多的事情。 |
| 499 | And she keeps talking | 她不停地说话 |
| 500 | about the Keystone pipeline drilling off the coast of Mexico. | 关于墨西哥沿岸的凯斯通管道钻探 |
| 501 | How did having a Keystone pipeline is | 如何拥有一个键石管道 |
| 502 | going to make us energy independent? | 要让我们的能量独立吗? |
| 503 | I mean, if she wants to drill off the coast of Mexico, | 我是说 如果她想在墨西哥海岸钻探 |
| 504 | is she going to want to drill off the coast of Maine? | 她想在缅因州沿海钻井吗? |
| 505 | I mean, the key to energy independence | 我的意思是,能源独立的关键 |
| 506 | is not being caught up in countries that have this oil supply that we get into these wars with, | 并没有被困在那些有石油供应的国家 我们陷入了这些战争, |
| 507 | like Russia and Ukraine, the conflict there. | 就像俄罗斯和乌克兰,那里的冲突。 |
| 508 | Whenever we get green energy in here in Maine, | 每当我们在缅因州得到绿色能源 |
| 509 | create a northern Maine transmission line so we can get that power out, we can actually get off | 创建缅因州北部的输电线 这样我们就能把电源调出来 |
| 510 | this boom and bust cycle and start lowering our energy costs. | 开始降低能源成本 |
| 511 | But fighting with Iran, fighting | 但与伊朗作战,战斗 |
| 512 | with Ukraine, Russia, that's always going to put us in a tough spot. | 与乌克兰,俄罗斯, 这总是会使我们在一个艰难的地方。 |
| 513 | And right now, it's the worst | 现在,这是最糟糕的 |
| 514 | it's ever been. | 一直以来 |
| 515 | The next question is going to be from Phil Horschkorn. | 下一个问题来自菲尔·霍施科恩 |
| 516 | It will go to Senator | 交给参议员 |
| 517 | Susan Collins first. | 苏珊·柯林斯先 |
| 518 | Senator, when it comes to Immigration and Customs Enforcement, ICE, | 参议员,关于移民和海关执法, |
| 519 | we know that you have supported and funded certain reforms like body cameras and de-escalation | 我们知道你支持并资助了一些改革 比如身体摄像机和降级 |
| 520 | training. | 培训。 |
| 521 | But do those really hold ICE accountable? | 但那些真的要ICE负责吗? |
| 522 | I mean, we're in a situation where when a police | 我的意思是,我们处于一个情况 当警察 |
| 523 | officer shoots someone fatally, they're immediately placed on leave and there's an investigation. | 警官开枪打死人,他们马上被放假 并有调查。 |
| 524 | It doesn't seem like ICE operates that way. | 看来ICE不是那样操作的 |
| 525 | And real cops don't wear masks and they don't | 真正的警察不戴面具也不戴 |
| 526 | into moving vehicles. | 进入移动车辆。 |
| 527 | Now that ICE is fully funded until 2029 with your votes, are there any other | 现在ICE的资金已经全部到2029年 用你的选票,有没有其他的 |
| 528 | specific reforms that you would advocate to keep ICE working less dangerously? | 你主张的具体改革 保持ICE工作 少危险? |
| 529 | Yes. | 对 |
| 530 | First of all, | 首先,我们... |
| 531 | I do support further reforms. | 我确实支持进一步的改革。 |
| 532 | And one reform that you didn't mention that I did get passed | 还有一次你没提过我被通过的改革 |
| 533 | was a 17% increase in the budget of the independent inspector general. | 独立监察长的预算增加了17%。 |
| 534 | The reason I mentioned that | 我提到这个的原因 |
| 535 | is in the case of the horrific bit of her shooting, the entire main delegation asked the inspector | 整个主要代表团都问督察 |
| 536 | general for an investigation. | 将军负责调查 |
| 537 | So it would be thorough and impartial. | 因此,这将是彻底和公正的。 |
| 538 | Here's another change that | 这里还有另外一个变化 |
| 539 | I think we need. | 我认为我们需要。 |
| 540 | I think ICE should be prohibited from doing enforcement actions | 我认为应该禁止ICE采取强制行动 |
| 541 | at sensitive locations. | 在敏感地点。 |
| 542 | By that, I mean schools, doctor's offices, hospitals, | 我的意思是学校 医生办公室 医院 |
| 543 | houses of worship. | 礼拜之所. |
| 544 | I think that those should be off-limit. | 我认为这些应该禁止。 |
| 545 | I think we need much more training | 我觉得我们需要更多的训练 |
| 546 | and vetting of anyone who is chosen to be an ICE official. | 并审查任何被选为ICE官员的人。 |
| 547 | We used to have that. | 我们曾经有。 |
| 548 | It got curtailed. | 它被切断了。 |
| 549 | The new secretary of DHS is extending that training. | 人口与健康部新任秘书正在扩大这一培训。 |
| 550 | Mr. Jackson, I just want to tweak this | 杰克逊先生,我只是想 修这个 |
| 551 | for you because we know you want to dismantle ICE. | 因为我们知道你想拆除ICE |
| 552 | You've said that a lot in this campaign. | 你在这场竞选中说过很多话 |
| 553 | But before ICE, we had INS, the Immigration and Naturalization Service. | 但在ICE之前 我们有移民局 移民和归化局 |
| 554 | And you've also said, | 你也说过, |
| 555 | maybe CBP, customs and border protection could take over some of the responsibilities. | 也许海关和边境保护局可以接管一些责任。 |
| 556 | But as | 不过 |
| 557 | Senator Collins noted in the last debate, officers from CBP shot Alex Preti in Minnesota. | 科林斯参议员在最后一场辩论中指出,CBP的官员在明尼苏达州枪杀了亚历克斯·普雷蒂. |
| 558 | So my | 这么说吧 |
| 559 | question for you is, whether we call it ICE or INS or immigrants are us, we're going to have | 问题是 不管我们称之为ICE还是INS 还是移民 |
| 560 | an immigration police force agency in this country. | 这个国家的移民警察机构 |
| 561 | So how would you fix things other | 所以,你会如何修复其他的东西 |
| 562 | than just rebranding it? | 不只是重塑它吗? |
| 563 | Well, once again, it was Johann Sebastian Guerrero | 又是约翰·塞巴斯蒂安·格雷罗 |
| 564 | that was murdered in Bitterford. | 在比特福被谋杀了 |
| 565 | And I don't know how many people might know this, but the | 我不知道有多少人可能知道这一点,但 |
| 566 | committee that looked at this in Bitterford, that bullet, one of those bullets went into | 在比特福德看过这个的委员会 那颗子弹 其中一颗子弹进了 |
| 567 | that car seat that was in the back seat of his car. | 坐在他车后座上的车座 |
| 568 | Luckily, his daughter wasn't there or she | 幸好他女儿不在场 |
| 569 | wouldn't be with us either. | 也不会和我们在一起 |
| 570 | So I think this is a big deal that people know that they can be | 所以我认为这是一件大事 人们知道他们可以 |
| 571 | protected on our streets, that we don't have rogue agency like ICE going around. | 保护我们的街道, 我们没有流氓机构 像ICE到处走。 |
| 572 | Senator Collins | 科林斯参议员 |
| 573 | brought up once again how, you know, they're not vetted, they're not trained well. | 再说一遍 他们没被审查过 训练得不好 |
| 574 | I mean, | 我是说... |
| 575 | I wouldn't give them a blank check like she did. | 我不会像她那样给他们一张空白支票 |
| 576 | I mean, even the body cameras, they don't actually | 我的意思是,即使是身体摄像头, 他们实际上不是 |
| 577 | have to turn the video over if they think it's detrimental to the agency. | 如果他们认为视频对局里不利 就得把视频翻过来 |
| 578 | I mean, there's no | 我的意思是,没有 |
| 579 | safeguards there. | 那里有保障措施。 |
| 580 | I mean, I think using legitimate law enforcement like CBP, like INS, certainly if | 我的意思是,我认为利用合法 执法像CBP, 像INS, |
| 581 | there's problems there too, we want to keep that. | 那儿也有问题 我们要留着 |
| 582 | But I mean, we're seeing a murder almost every | 但是,我的意思是,我们正在看到 一个谋杀几乎每一个 |
| 583 | week in this country now with ICE, and there's nothing to happen about it. | 在这个国家,现在与ICE, 没有什么事情发生。 |
| 584 | Why does the | 为什么 |
| 585 | delegation have to get together and ask for an inspection when something so critical has happened? | 代表团必须聚在一起,要求检查 当发生了如此重大的事情时? |
| 586 | I mean, a murder on our streets. | 我的意思是,一个谋杀 在我们的街道上。 |
| 587 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 588 | The next question is from Steve. | 下一个问题来自史蒂夫。 |
| 589 | Steve Missler will | 史蒂夫·米斯勒会的 |
| 590 | go first to Troy Jackson. | 先去特洛伊杰克逊 |
| 591 | Troy Jackson, and it's really the same question to both of you, but | 特洛伊・杰克逊,这是真的 同样的问题对你们两个,但 |
| 592 | this issue has been largely absent from this campaign, but a recent report from the United | 这场运动基本上没有涉及这个问题,但联合国最近的报告表明, |
| 593 | Nations Environment Program found that we've missed our chance to lower global temperatures | 联合国环境规划署发现我们错过了降低全球气温的机会 |
| 594 | to a point that will avert extreme heat, wildfires, and flooding. | 到可以避免极端热量、野火和洪水的地步 |
| 595 | Should the U.S. now focus | 如果美国现在关注 |
| 596 | on climate resiliency to prepare for these outcomes, or do you support focusing on reducing | 或你是否支持把重点放在减少 |
| 597 | greenhouse gas emissions to reverse the trends? | 扭转趋势的温室气体排放? |
| 598 | And that question goes to you first, Troy. | 这个问题首先交给你 特洛伊 |
| 599 | Well, | 那个 |
| 600 | I don't think it's been left out. | 亦不为漏. |
| 601 | I mean, I've brought it up a couple of times. | 我是说,我提过几次了 |
| 602 | Senator Collins | 科林斯参议员 |
| 603 | thinks that the reverse of transmission lines of failure. | 认为输电线的逆向失败。 |
| 604 | I don't. | 我没有。 |
| 605 | I actually think that it's a | 其实我认为这是 |
| 606 | having real issues with climate, and our best opportunity is to try and get off fossil fuels. | 我们的最佳机会就是尝试摆脱化石燃料。 |
| 607 | I know other states, other countries, we can't dictate to that, but we can definitely do what | 我知道别的国家,别的国家,我们不能命令, 但我们绝对可以做什么 |
| 608 | we can in this state. | 我们可以在这个状态下。 |
| 609 | I think it creates opportunities, jobs. | 我认为它创造了机会,工作。 |
| 610 | I think we could actually | 我觉得我们可以 |
| 611 | be selling our power to other states in New England, lowering our energy costs, doing | 把我们的电力卖给新英格兰的其他国家, 降低我们的能源成本,做 |
| 612 | investments in other things. | 其他投资。 |
| 613 | I really do. | 我真的喜欢 |
| 614 | I think it's a great opportunity. | 我认为这是一个很好的机会。 |
| 615 | I do think climate | 我确实认为气候 |
| 616 | change is happening, and the best way that we can do that or do anything to affect it is get off | 变革正在发生,我们这样做或做任何事情 影响它的最佳方式是下车 |
| 617 | of fossil fuels, not build a keystone pipeline, not drill in New Mexico or Mexico or Maine. | 而不是在新墨西哥州、墨西哥或缅因州钻井 |
| 618 | Let's actually build clean energy programs here in Maine and sell our energy to other states that | 让我们在缅因州建立清洁能源计划 把我们的能源卖给其他州 |
| 619 | need it. | 需要这个 |
| 620 | Senator Collins. | 柯林斯参议员 |
| 621 | Well, first let me say that while Troy was president of the Senate | 首先让我说 在特洛伊担任参议院议长期间 |
| 622 | during those six years, electric rates in Maine went up by 40%. | 在这六年里,缅因州的电费上涨了40%。 |
| 623 | We have the fourth highest | 我们有第四高 |
| 624 | electric rates in the country. | 国内电费。 |
| 625 | Talk about an affordability issue. | 谈论一个负担能力问题。 |
| 626 | And the state has been | 州政府已经 |
| 627 | encouraging many of us, including me, to switch to heat pumps. | 鼓励包括我在内的许多人 转向热泵。 |
| 628 | Our electric rates make that very | 我们的电费 使得 |
| 629 | difficult, and that's due to policies adopted in Augusta. | 困难,这是在奥古斯塔通过的政策。 |
| 630 | I do think climate change is real. | 我认为气候变化是真实的。 |
| 631 | You've only to look at the warming waters off the coast of Maine and the impact on the lobster | 你只需要看看缅因州近海的暖水 以及对龙虾的影响 |
| 632 | industry. | 工业。 |
| 633 | Southern New England doesn't really have much of a lobster industry anymore because | 新英格兰南部没有多少龙虾产业了 |
| 634 | the lobster are going further north where the water is colder. | 龙虾要往北走 水凉了 |
| 635 | That's the best indication. | 这是最好的指示。 |
| 636 | So | 这么说 |
| 637 | reducing greenhouse gases does make a lot of sense, but we've got to have an all-of-the-above | 减少温室气体确实很有意义 但我们得有一个完整的 |
| 638 | approach to energy. | 能源方法。 |
| 639 | It's interesting. | 这很有趣。 |
| 640 | Senator Collins wants to talk about electric rates going | 科林斯参议员想谈谈电价问题 |
| 641 | up 40% when heating oil costs have gone up 80% just in the last year because she won't keep Donald | 去年加热石油成本上涨了80% 因为她不会留住唐纳德 |
| 642 | Trump in check and Iran, but even the 40% she's talking about, the public advocate came out with | 特朗普在检查和伊朗, 但即使是她所说的40%, 公共宣传员出来了 |
| 643 | a report last week that the reason why our rates have gone up is because of fossil fuels, natural | 上星期的一份报告说,我们通货膨胀率上升的原因 在于化石燃料,自然 |
| 644 | gas, because we have an older infrastructure, a big state rural area, lines, poles, and things like | 煤气,因为我们有更古老的基础设施, 一个大的州乡村地区, 线路,杆, 和类似的东西 |
| 645 | that. | 那个 |
| 646 | And at the end, storms that we all know has really messed up our infrastructure, and at the end | 最终,我们都知道的风暴 已经真的搞砸了 我们的基础设施,最后 |
| 647 | she brought up net energy billing. | 她提起净能量计费。 |
| 648 | So you know Senator Collins keeps on talking about | 柯林斯参议员一直在谈论 |
| 649 | how our electric rates have risen, but she doesn't want to talk about how our oil rates have risen. | 我们的电费是怎样上涨的, 但她不想谈论 我们的油价是怎样上涨的。 |
| 650 | Thank you, and Senator Collins. | 谢谢你和科林斯参议员 |
| 651 | Every state is affected by the war in Iran's impact on oil. | 每一个国家都受到伊朗对石油影响的战争的影响. |
| 652 | Not every state has the high electric rates that Maine has. | 并不是每个州都有缅因州拥有的高电价. |
| 653 | They're lower right next door in New | 他们就在新家隔壁 |
| 654 | Hampshire. | 汉末. |
| 655 | They are because New Hampshire is such a smaller state, and we have so many more lines. | 这是因为新罕布什尔州是一个如此小的州,我们还有这么多的台词. |
| 656 | We have an older infrastructure. | 我们有更老的基础设施。 |
| 657 | That's why our rates are higher than New England, | 这就是为什么我们的费率比新英格兰高, |
| 658 | than New Hampshire. | 比新罕布什尔州。 |
| 659 | Senator Collins knows that, but she wants her cake. | 科林斯参议员知道, 但她想要她的蛋糕。 |
| 660 | We want to get to some more | 我们想多找些 |
| 661 | questions, and this is another one that was submitted by a member of the public to the | 这是另一个由公众提交给 |
| 662 | Portland Press Herald. | 波特兰新闻先驱报. |
| 663 | Hi, my name is Michelle Guilford. | 嗨,我的名字是米歇尔・吉福德。 |
| 664 | 我住在Standers镇 | |
| 665 | Senator Collins, | 科林斯参议员 |
| 666 | you take credit for the Housing Act. | 您可申请住房补贴。 |
| 667 | Why were mobile home parks excluded from the private equity | 为何移动住宅公园被排除在私募股权之外 |
| 668 | investor restrictions, and what will you both do to protect the millions of families that | 投资者的限制,你们会怎么做 来保护数百万家庭 |
| 669 | live in mobile home parks across America? | 住在美国各地的流动家园公园? |
| 670 | Senator Collins. | 柯林斯参议员 |
| 671 | Well, first of all, they were originally | 首先,他们最初是 |
| 672 | included in the road to housing bill. | (b) 列入住房法案。 |
| 673 | There was a prohibition against private equity firms | 禁止私募股权公司 |
| 674 | buying up single housing, single family housing, but also mobile home parks. | 购买单户住宅,单户住宅,但也购买流动住宅公园. |
| 675 | And during the | 期间 |
| 676 | negotiations on this bill, which in the end was strongly supported by Elizabeth Warren | 关于该法案的谈判,最终得到伊丽莎白·沃伦的大力支持。 |
| 677 | and Tim Scott, real broad ideological reach there, that provision was dropped. | 和蒂姆斯科特,真正的 广泛的意识形态范围在那里, 该条款被放弃。 |
| 678 | I'm not a | 我不是一个 |
| 679 | member of that committee, so I don't know what went into that decision. | 委员会成员,所以我不知道决定是什么 |
| 680 | I have worked to help | 我努力帮助 |
| 681 | one of the mobile home parks in Maine get a better water supply, and I've been able to do that | 缅因州的一个流动家园公园 得到了更好的供水, 我已经做到了 |
| 682 | through my role on appropriations. | 通过我在拨款方面的作用。 |
| 683 | All right. | 好吧,我们走。 |
| 684 | Trey Jackson. | 特雷・杰克逊。 |
| 685 | You know, our first debate, | 我们第一次辩论 |
| 686 | Senator Collins told me I was wrong, that this was already resolved. | 柯林斯参议员说我错了 这事已经解决了 |
| 687 | Private equity had already, | 私人股本已经 |
| 688 | the Road Act had already taken care of everything. | 《公路法》已经解决了一切问题。 |
| 689 | And then come to find out it was just housing, | 然后发现它只是住房, |
| 690 | single family housing. | 单身家庭住房。 |
| 691 | The Road Act, Republicans stripped out apartments, condos, mobile home parks. | 道路法案,共和党人剥离公寓,公寓,流动住宅公园. |
| 692 | That's her caucus that she's supposed to have all the influence on. | 这是她的核心小组 她应该有所有的影响。 |
| 693 | So all these people are still | 所以,所有这些人仍然 |
| 694 | left out in the cold because private equity is screwing this country up and putting campaign | 因为私募股权让这个国家一团糟 |
| 695 | contributions into her campaign. | 为她的竞选做出贡献。 |
| 696 | The thing about this also, I just got an email today from Caribou. | 今天我刚收到卡里布的邮件 |
| 697 | We both represented Caribou, a mobile home park there. | 我们都代表卡里布,一个移动的家公园。 |
| 698 | People have been out of water for three | 三个人没水了 |
| 699 | days. | 几天时间 |
| 700 | It's a Chinese company that's private equity that they can't get any assistance on. | 这是一家中国公司 私人股权 他们得不到任何援助 |
| 701 | I mean, I'm not even in the legislature anymore, and people are calling me, | 我的意思是,我甚至不再 在立法机构, 人们打电话给我, |
| 702 | Senator Collins acts like she's fixed this already. | Collins参议员的行为就像她已经修好了 |
| 703 | She did. | 没错 |
| 704 | That's the first debate. | 这是第一次辩论。 |
| 705 | But right there in her hometown, my old Senate district, we've got people that are having the | 但是就在她的家乡,我的老参议院区, 我们已经有人有 |
| 706 | same problems. | 同样的问题。 |
| 707 | And it is. | 事实就是如此。 |
| 708 | It's an issue that I worked on in the main legislature. | 这是我在主要立法机构工作过的问题 |
| 709 | We created | 我创造了他, |
| 710 | a program to help them come together and form co-ops, but we need to do way more. | 帮助他们组成合作组织 但我们需要做更多 |
| 711 | The next question comes from Phil Hershkorn. | 下一个问题来自菲尔·赫什科恩. |
| 712 | It will go first to Troy Jackson. | 它将首先去特洛伊杰克逊。 |
| 713 | Mr. Jackson, whether it's the Dobbs decision that overturned Roe v. Wade, there's a popular | Jackson先生 不管是多布斯的决定推翻了Roe诉Wade案 |
| 714 | feeling in the country that the U.S. Supreme Court is out of step with the public. | 认为美国最高法院与公众脱节 |
| 715 | President | 庭长 |
| 716 | Biden convened a commission to consider reforms such as 18-year term limits for justices and | 拜登召集了一个委员会,审议诸如法官18年任期限制和 |
| 717 | expanding the court from nine to 13 justices, one for every judicial district. | 将法院从9名法官扩大到13名法官,每个司法区1名法官。 |
| 718 | What's your view? | 你的看法如何? |
| 719 | Well, I mean, I understand why we had a Supreme Court. | 嗯,我的意思是,我理解 为什么我们有一个最高法院。 |
| 720 | They're supposed to be lifetime positions. | 他们应该是终身的职位 |
| 721 | But look, what we have now is something unbelievable. | 但是,看,我们现在有的东西令人难以置信。 |
| 722 | I mean, people that don't have | 我的意思是,人们没有 |
| 723 | any ethics, people that are taking trips, people that are taking, you know, gifts from people that | 任何道德标准,那些旅行的人, 那些接受,你知道的, 礼物的人 |
| 724 | are going to come before them. | 将会在他们面前出现 |
| 725 | I mean, this is not, I don't think, what our founding fathers | 我的意思是,这不是,我不认为, 什么我们的创始人 |
| 726 | expected whenever they set up, you know, this system. | 只要他们建立了这个系统 |
| 727 | And so, yeah, I think first and foremost, | 所以,是的,我认为首先, |
| 728 | we have to have real ethics reform that's accountable, that you can hold people to. | 我们必须进行真正的道德改革, 由你负责, 你可以强迫人们。 |
| 729 | I think that we should have term limits. | 我认为,我们应该有任期限制。 |
| 730 | And I'm not against putting more people on the court | 我不反对让更多人上法庭 |
| 731 | because this court obviously is not working. | 因为这个法庭显然不起作用。 |
| 732 | It's working at the behest of the Donald Trump | 这是在唐纳德·特朗普的授意下运作的 |
| 733 | and the billionaire class. | 还有亿万富翁 |
| 734 | I mean, that's who's actually funding people like Thomas and Alito. | 托马斯和阿里托这样的人 |
| 735 | I mean, it's just gross the way that this has ended up. | 我的意思是,它只是令人毛骨悚然的方式 这结束了。 |
| 736 | And we have to do something meaningful | 我们必须做一些有意义的事 |
| 737 | to actually get people's confidence back. | 真正恢复人们的信心 |
| 738 | I know you're going to say that's packing the | 我知道你会说这是包装 |
| 739 | court. | 宫廷. |
| 740 | So let me ask you, the proponents say of those reforms that I mentioned, the term limits | 所以,让我问你, 支持者说这些改革 我提到,任期限制 |
| 741 | and more justices, the advantages would be ideological balance, and it would give every | 更多的正义,好处将是思想平衡,它给予每个人 |
| 742 | president over time a chance to appoint at least one justice. | 随着时间的推移,总统有机会任命至少一名法官。 |
| 743 | What's wrong with that? | 这有什么不对? |
| 744 | What we want is a Supreme Court that is insulated from politics. | 我们想要的是一个独立于政治的最高法院。 |
| 745 | That was the whole idea | 就是这个主意 |
| 746 | of the judicial system, one of the three branches of government, parts of the checks and balances | 司法系统、政府三个分支之一、制衡部分 |
| 747 | that the founders of this country envision. | 这个国家的缔造者们设想的。 |
| 748 | To try to pack the court by increasing the numbers | 试图通过增加数量来打包法庭 |
| 749 | goes completely against the vision of those who wrote the Constitution. | 完全违背了那些 写宪法的人的愿景。 |
| 750 | I would also point out | 我还想指出 |
| 751 | that I am the only Republican senator who voted for Justice Sotomayor, Justice Jackson, | 我是唯一的共和党参议员 投票给索托马约法官 杰克逊法官 |
| 752 | and Justice Hagen. | 还有哈根法官 |
| 753 | Those three liberal women justices who were appointed by Democratic | 民主党任命的三位自由派女法官 |
| 754 | presidents. | 总统 |
| 755 | And that's what I think the founders want. | 我认为创始人希望如此。 |
| 756 | They don't want the Supreme Court to be | 他们不希望最高法院 |
| 757 | like Congress. | 像国会一样 |
| 758 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 759 | But nine's not in the Constitution. | 但九不见于宪法. |
| 760 | I think it was the first five. | 以为前五. |
| 761 | So you tap the discretion. | 所以,你调用的自由裁量权。 |
| 762 | But it's inconsistent with the whole idea of the Supreme Court being | 但是这与最高法院是 |
| 763 | insulated from politics. | 与政治隔绝. |
| 764 | That would make it a totally political body. | 这将使它成为一个完全的政治机构。 |
| 765 | We have the best court | 我们有最好的庭院 |
| 766 | that money can buy right now, and I think that has to be turned over. | 钱现在可以买到, 我想这必须翻转。 |
| 767 | The next question from | 下一个问题来自 |
| 768 | Steve Missler and Senator Collins will go first. | 史蒂夫·米斯勒和柯林斯参议员会先走 |
| 769 | Advertising spending by outside groups, | 广告开支由外部团体, |
| 770 | not your campaigns, on this contest has already reached $200 million. | 而不是你的竞选 这场比赛已经达到2亿美元 |
| 771 | Included in that is $75 | 其中包括75美元 |
| 772 | million in spending by anonymous and virtually untraceable sources, better known as dark money, | 被匿名和几乎无法追踪的来源 称为黑钱 |
| 773 | which both parties are increasingly using in their electioneering efforts. | 双方在选举努力中越来越多地利用这些手段。 |
| 774 | Both your campaign and | 你的竞选和 |
| 775 | Jackson's have benefited from this secret cash. | 杰克逊从这笔秘密现金中获益. |
| 776 | Do you think it's important for the public to know | 你觉得公众知道很重要吗? |
| 777 | who was trying to influence their vote? | 谁想影响他们的投票? |
| 778 | I do. | 当然 |
| 779 | I was one of the first co-sponsors of the McCain | 我是麦凯恩的第一批赞助商之一 |
| 780 | fine gold bill early in my time in the Senate, which was sweeping campaign finance reform | 我早年在参议院的金币法案 正在全面改革竞选资金 |
| 781 | legislation. | 立法。 |
| 782 | Unfortunately, it did not withstand constitutional muster, but I still think that | 不幸的是,它无法承受宪法的强制, 但我仍然认为 |
| 783 | there are reforms that could be made, and one of them is full disclosure of everyone who is | 改革可以进行,其中一项改革是全面披露每个人的情况。 |
| 784 | contributing, whether they're the billionaires contributing to the Democratic Senatorial | 贡献,他们是不是亿万富翁 贡献给民主党参议员 |
| 785 | Committee, or whether they're other people contributing to Republican groups. | 委员会,或者他们是否是共和党团体的其他人. |
| 786 | I don't | 我没有 |
| 787 | think there should be dark money groups. | 认为应该有黑钱集团。 |
| 788 | Senator Jackson. | 杰克逊参议员 |
| 789 | Yeah, I mean, I guess the question for | 是啊,我的意思是,我想这个问题 |
| 790 | me would be why would Elon Musk want to put money into backing Senator Collins? | 为什么伊隆·穆斯克想用钱支持柯林斯参议员? |
| 791 | Why would Leonard | 莱纳德为什么 |
| 792 | Leo? | 里奥? |
| 793 | Why would Peter Thiel? | 为什么彼得・提尔? |
| 794 | I mean, so yeah, I'm 100% about overturns as united. | 我的意思是,所以是的,我百分之百 推翻作为团结。 |
| 795 | I mean, I was | 我是说,我是 |
| 796 | happy with Maine with the clean election system. | 很高兴缅因州有干净的选举制度 |
| 797 | I don't know if that's ever possible on the | 我不知道这有没有可能 |
| 798 | federal level, but I certainly would rather do that than have the extreme amount of money that's | 联邦一级,但我当然宁愿这样做 而不是有极端数额的钱,这是 |
| 799 | being paid by people across this country. | 由全国人民支付。 |
| 800 | I mean, just like the court. | 我的意思是,就像法庭。 |
| 801 | I mean, billionaires have | 我的意思是,亿万富翁有 |
| 802 | bought Congress, and everyday people can't afford to buy them back. | 买国会, 和日常人们买不起 他们回来。 |
| 803 | And I'm definitely someone that | 我绝对是 |
| 804 | doesn't believe in corporate PAC money. | 不相信公司PAC的钱。 |
| 805 | I don't believe in taking money from people that are | 我不相信从那些 |
| 806 | for everyday working class people. | 给工人阶级的日常生活 |
| 807 | So I mean, I'm more than willing to do anything to get campaign | 所以我更愿意做任何事来竞选 |
| 808 | reform, because I just don't see this as something that everyday people can contribute to. | 改革,因为我只是不认为 这是日常人们可以贡献的东西。 |
| 809 | We have another video question. | 我们还有一个视频问题 |
| 810 | And after this, we'll have Troy Jackson answer first. | 在此之后,我们将让特洛伊·杰克逊先回答. |
| 811 | I'm Bridgette O'Brien from Harpswell. | 我是来自哈普斯威尔的布里奇特·奥布莱恩 |
| 812 | I'm curious to know what each of you thinks about the state | 我很想知道你们每个人对州的看法 |
| 813 | democracy in America today? | 今天美国的民主? |
| 814 | Do you feel that our democracy is under attack? | 你觉得我们的民主受到攻击吗? |
| 815 | Or do you feel | 或者你觉得 |
| 816 | like this is a natural progression of a democracy? | 像这样民主的自然发展? |
| 817 | And I'm curious to know what you think our | 我很想知道你对我们的看法 |
| 818 | democracy will look like five to 10 years from now? | 民主会像现在的五到十年? |
| 819 | The same stronger, weaker? | 同样的强弱? |
| 820 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 821 | Well, I think I'd take that in reverse order. | 好吧,我想我会采取 逆序顺序。 |
| 822 | I mean, our democracy is going to look | 我的意思是,我们的民主将看 |
| 823 | not at all like it is or what it should be if we don't, you know, flip the House and Senate | 一点也不像它 或者它应该是什么 如果我们不,你知道,翻 众议院和参议院 |
| 824 | and get a Democratic majority that holds Donald Trump accountable. | 让民主党占多数 让唐纳德·特朗普负责 |
| 825 | The Republicans have totally | 共和党完全拥有 |
| 826 | given up their willingness to do that. | 放弃了他们这样做的意愿。 |
| 827 | I mean, they're doing, they're allowing wars that is | 我的意思是,他们这样做, 他们允许战争,这就是 |
| 828 | their function. | 他们的功能。 |
| 829 | They're allowing tariffs that are their function. | 他们允许关税是他们的功能。 |
| 830 | I mean, they will not stop | 我的意思是,他们不会停止 |
| 831 | Donald Trump. | 唐纳德·特朗普. |
| 832 | And I do think that our democracy is at risk. | 我认为我们的民主处于危险之中。 |
| 833 | You hear Donald Trump talking about, | 你听到唐纳德·特朗普谈到, |
| 834 | you hear Bobby Charles talking about how they want to have ice in our major cities. | 你听到Bobby Charles在谈论 他们想怎样在我们的主要城市有冰。 |
| 835 | So it makes | 所以这样 |
| 836 | people worried about going to vote. | 人们担心投票。 |
| 837 | You know, Donald Trump is trying every trick in the book | 你知道,唐纳德·特朗普 正在尝试书中的每一招 |
| 838 | to keep power. | 保持权力。 |
| 839 | And we've already seen what he'll do on January 6, whenever he led an insurrection, | 我们已经看到了他将在1月6日做什么, 每次他领导叛乱, |
| 840 | people attacked the Capitol, you know, law enforcement officers were killed. | 人们袭击了都城 执法人员被杀了 |
| 841 | You know, | 你知道吗, |
| 842 | this is what we're dealing with right now with people like Donald Trump and a Congress that | 我们现在面对的是唐纳德·特朗普和国会 |
| 843 | will not hold him accountable. | 也不会追究他的责任 |
| 844 | Phil Hershkorn, do you, oh, excuse me, trying to make everything | 菲尔・赫什科恩,你,哦,对不起, 试图使一切 |
| 845 | fair here and trying to keep track. | 在这里公平,并试图保持跟踪。 |
| 846 | We live in the greatest nation on earth. | 我们生活在地球上最伟大的国家。 |
| 847 | I have worked with five | 我和五个人合作过 |
| 848 | presidents. | 总统 |
| 849 | I've only supported the campaign of one of those five, George Bush. | 我只支持那五个人之一的竞选 乔治·布什 |
| 850 | But what I believe | 不过,我相信 |
| 851 | is that we are resilient and strong. | 是,我们有韧性和强壮。 |
| 852 | I've seen the executive branch over the years, regardless of | 这些年来,我见过行政部门,不管 |
| 853 | whether it was a Democratic president or a Republican president, try to get more and more | 无论是民主党总统还是共和党总统 都尽量增加 |
| 854 | power. | 权力。 |
| 855 | For example, no president, Democratic or Republican, likes the War Powers Act. | 例如,没有任何总统,民主党或共和党人喜欢战争权力法案. |
| 856 | None of them | 没有 |
| 857 | have liked the War Powers Act. | 喜欢战争权力法 |
| 858 | So I think that Congress does need to keep reasserting itself. | 所以我认为国会确实需要不断重申自己的立场. |
| 859 | But I think our democracy will be just fine. | 但我认为我们的民主是好的。 |
| 860 | It's not going to be fine if we let people take away | 如果我们让别人带走,不会好的 |
| 861 | voting rights. | 表决权。 |
| 862 | We're going to go to Phil Hershkorn and Susan Collins will answer this question first. | 我们要去找菲尔·赫什科恩,苏珊·柯林斯首先回答这个问题. |
| 863 | Great. | 不错 |
| 864 | Senator Collins, before you got to the Senate, we had from 1994 to 2004 an assault | 柯林斯参议员 在你到参议院之前 我们从1994年到2004年发生了一起袭击 |
| 865 | weapons ban, a ban on long semi-automatic guns like AR-15s, which are used in so many mass | 武器禁令,禁止长半自动枪,如AR-15型,在如此之多的质量中使用 |
| 866 | shootings like the one that occurred in Lewiston, Maine in 2023. | 2023年发生在缅因州路易斯顿的枪击案 |
| 867 | Please tell me if you are for or | 请告诉我你是否愿意 |
| 868 | against such a ban and why, and also what about raising the age to buy a gun from 18 to 21, | 以及将购买枪支的年龄从18岁提高到21岁如何? |
| 869 | the same as beer? | 和啤酒一样? |
| 870 | Well, first of all, we are coming up on the anniversary of the tragic shooting | 首先,我们是在悲剧性枪击的周年纪念日 |
| 871 | in Lewiston, and that causes assault to reflect. | 在刘易斯顿, 这会导致攻击的反射。 |
| 872 | I talked in the previous | 我之前说过 |
| 873 | debate about the Safer Communities Act, which I helped to negotiate and believe has made some | 关于《更安全的社区法》的辩论,我协助谈判并相信,该法案使一些社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、社区、 |
| 874 | real progress. | 真正的进步。 |
| 875 | I supported the original assault weapon ban. | 我支持最初的进攻性武器禁令 |
| 876 | Here's what happened during the Bush | 布什时期发生的事是这样的 |
| 877 | administration, as I recall. | 行政,我记得。 |
| 878 | It was going to be extended, and then two Democratic senators | 本来要延期的,后来两个民主党参议员 |
| 879 | decided to hugely extend it so that it was based more on the appearance of the gun rather than | 决定大幅扩展,使其更多基于枪的外观,而不是 |
| 880 | the age. | 年龄。 |
| 881 | I am for having a reasonable limit on magazine capacity, and I have voted to ban | 我对杂志能力有合理限制 我投了反对票 |
| 882 | bump stops, which would prohibit the conversion to a fully automatic weapon. | 自动武器。 |
| 883 | I am open to increasing | 我愿意提高 |
| 884 | the age for an assault weapon. | 攻击武器的年龄。 |
| 885 | Mr. Jackson, your view, which has changed over time? | 杰克逊先生,你的观点 随着时间的推移,有什么变化? |
| 886 | I'm not in favor of increasing the age. | 我不赞成提高年龄。 |
| 887 | It actually comes down to the person. | 它实际上下来的人。 |
| 888 | We do have a culture | 我们有文化 |
| 889 | here in Maine of people being able to buy guns, stuff like that, but I am willing to ban | 在缅因州有人可以买枪之类的东西 但我愿意禁止 |
| 890 | assault weapons now. | 现在攻击武器。 |
| 891 | I would not want to take away the people that have them already, | 我不想带走已经拥有他们的人, |
| 892 | but I don't see a good reason for assault weapons. | 但我不认为有攻击武器的理由 |
| 893 | You can't use them for hunting or anything like | 你不能用它们来打猎 |
| 894 | that, and so I would not be opposed to banning them. | 因此我不反对禁止它们。 |
| 895 | I would not take away the people that | 我不会带走那些 |
| 896 | already have them, though. | 已经有他们,虽然。 |
| 897 | I believe we have time for one more question. | 我想我们还有时间再问一个问题 |
| 898 | We'll go to Steve | 我们去找史蒂夫 |
| 899 | Mr. to Trey Jackson first. | 先生给特雷杰克逊先。 |
| 900 | The second Trump administration has resulted in a significant | 第二届特朗普政府取得了显著成果 |
| 901 | shift in American foreign policy and diplomacy. | 美国外交政策和外交的转变。 |
| 902 | The president has often spoken fondly of U.S. | 总统经常亲切地谈论美国. |
| 903 | rivals like Russia and China, and at the same time criticized its traditional allies, Europe | 俄罗斯和中国等对手,同时批评其传统盟友欧洲 |
| 904 | and North America, shaking their confidence in us. | 和北美,动摇他们对我们的信心。 |
| 905 | What do you think of this shift? | 你觉得这班怎么样? |
| 906 | If you disagree | 如果你不同意的话 |
| 907 | with it, what should Congress do to express its opposition? | 国会应该如何表达反对? |
| 908 | That's exactly what I wanted to talk | 这正是我想谈的 |
| 909 | about earlier. | 刚才的事 |
| 910 | Presidents that want to take away voting rights, make it just harder for | 总统想要夺去表决权,只会使 |
| 911 | Americans to have their democracy. | 美国人有他们的民主。 |
| 912 | I think the single biggest problem with democracy is this | 我觉得民主最大的问题是 |
| 913 | election coming up, and the subsequent one, is Donald Trump going to go away when his term is up, | 接下来的一场选举是唐纳德·特朗普 任期即将届满时他就会离开 |
| 914 | and that we have to make damn sure happens. | 我们一定要确保发生 |
| 915 | Then we'll be able to work with all these | 这样我们就能一起工作了 |
| 916 | Canada, all these other countries that we have been able to work with in the past that are | 加拿大、我们过去能够与加拿大合作的所有其他国家。 |
| 917 | shaken right now. | 现在动摇。 |
| 918 | They don't believe. | 他们不相信 |
| 919 | Donald Trump goes after them, puts terrorists on, | 唐纳德·特朗普去追他们 派恐怖分子上身 |
| 920 | goes after Greenland, Iceland, you name it. | 去格陵兰岛,冰岛,你说吧 |
| 921 | The man's a narcissist, and anything he can do | 这个人是个自恋狂,他能做的都做了 |
| 922 | to play war games, he enjoys. | 他喜欢玩战争游戏 |
| 923 | So I'm very concerned about this. | 所以我非常关心这一点。 |
| 924 | I'm concerned about | 我担心 |
| 925 | our voting rights and what it means with Republicans in power. | 我们的投票权和共和党掌权的意义 |
| 926 | Senator Collins, | 科林斯参议员 |
| 927 | I want that same question to you, but maybe in the context of Ukraine, which is feeling the | 我想问你同样的问题, 但也许在乌克兰的背景下, |
| 928 | shift acutely right now. | 急转弯 |
| 929 | Well, first of all, I joined a bipartisan group of senators this week | 首先,我这个星期加入了两党的参议员小组 |
| 930 | objecting to the import of oil was actually a pretty small amount from Russia, because we know | 反对进口石油实际上从俄罗斯进口了很少,因为我们知道 |
| 931 | that those proceeds would be used to attack Ukraine. | 这些收益将用于攻击乌克兰。 |
| 932 | Troy's been kind of confusing on Ukraine | 特洛伊对乌克兰有点困惑 |
| 933 | and what his position is. | 和他的立场是什么。 |
| 934 | He lumped it in with Russia tonight. | 他今晚和俄罗斯混在一起 |
| 935 | I am a strong supporter of Ukraine, | 我是乌克兰的坚定支持者 |
| 936 | and I adamantly oppose the Russians' unprovoked invasion of Ukraine. | 我坚决反对俄国人无端入侵乌克兰 |
| 937 | I managed on the Senate | 我管理了参议院 |
| 938 | floor the funding for Ukraine, for us to help Ukraine, and we've learned a lot from Ukraine. | 我们从乌克兰学到了很多东西。 |
| 939 | I've also been a strong supporter of NATO. | 我也一直是北约的坚定支持者. |
| 940 | It is a very important alliance, and it's one that we | 这是一个非常重要的联盟,它是一个我们 |
| 941 | should see to strengthen. | 应该加强。 |
| 942 | Thank you. | 谢谢 |
| 943 | Phil, do you have a question for the candidates | 菲尔,你有问题要问候选人吗? |
| 944 | they could both answer in less than 30 seconds? | 他们都能在不到30秒内回答? |
| 945 | Yes. | 对 |
| 946 | If Maine had a Mount Rushmore, | 如果缅因州有拉什莫尔山 |
| 947 | who should be carved on it? | 谁应该刻在上面? |
| 948 | Senator Collins. | 柯林斯参议员 |
| 949 | Maybe just name one. | 也许只是一个名字。 |
| 950 | Probably Joshua Chamberlain | 也许约书亚・张伯伦 |
| 951 | for leading the effort. | 以领导努力。 |
| 952 | Don't need the reason. | 不需要这个理由 |
| 953 | Okay, Troy, can you give us one? | 好吧,特洛伊,你能给我们一个吗? |
| 954 | Francis Perkins. | 法兰西斯·帕金斯 |
| 955 | Any others? | 还有其他人吗? |
| 956 | Phil, that is all we have time for. | 菲尔,这就是我们的时间。 |
| 957 | Thank you to the candidates, | 谢谢各位候选人 |
| 958 | Republican Senators Susan Collins and Democrat Troy Jackson, and to our hosts, the Gracie Theater | 共和党参议员苏珊·柯林斯和民主党议员特洛伊·杰克逊 还有我们的主持人格蕾西剧院 |
| 959 | and Hussing University in Bangor. | 和邦戈尔的胡辛大学. |
| 960 | On behalf of our media partners, News Center Maine and | 缅因新闻中心代表我们的媒体伙伴 |
| 961 | Portland Press Herald, and Steve Missler and Phil Horsborn, thank you for watching. | 波特兰新闻先驱报 史蒂夫·米斯勒和菲尔·霍斯伯恩 谢谢你的观看 |
| 962 | I think I might have cut my mic. | 我想我可能剪掉了我的麦克风。 |
| 963 | I kept reading. | 我一直在看书 |
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