纽约时报专访：塔克·卡尔森到底相信什么(上) | 2026.
字幕摘录
| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:01 | You spend a day with Trump and sort of like you're in this kind of dreamland. | 你和特朗普共度了一天 就像你在这种梦幻之地 |
| 0:05 | It's like smoking hash or something. | 就像吸大麻之类的 |
| 0:06 | It's interesting. | 这很有趣。 |
| 0:07 | Very interesting. | 非常有趣,你觉得呢? |
| 0:13 | I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro, and I'm in Maine to interview Tucker Carlson. | 我是露露・加西亚・纳瓦罗 我在缅因州采访塔克・卡尔森 |
| 0:17 | For many years, Carlson was one of President Trump's most vocal supporters. | 多年来,卡尔森一直是川普总统最有声望的支持者之一. |
| 0:22 | I mean, I've always agreed with Trump's policies, always. | 我一向同意特朗普的政策 |
| 0:25 | And here I am with a full throated, utterly sincere endorsement of Donald Trump. | 我对唐纳德·特朗普 完全真诚的支持 |
| 0:31 | But recently, Carlson has publicly broken with Trump. | 但最近卡尔森公开与特朗普断交. |
| 0:35 | He's not only come out against Trump's decision to go to war with Iran. | 他不仅出面反对川普决定与伊朗开战. |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | You spend a day with Trump and sort of like you're in this kind of dreamland. | 你和特朗普共度了一天 就像你在这种梦幻之地 |
| 2 | It's like smoking hash or something. | 就像吸大麻之类的 |
| 3 | It's interesting. | 这很有趣。 |
| 4 | Very interesting. | 非常有趣,你觉得呢? |
| 5 | I'm Lulu Garcia Navarro, and I'm in Maine to interview Tucker Carlson. | 我是露露・加西亚・纳瓦罗 我在缅因州采访塔克・卡尔森 |
| 6 | For many years, Carlson was one of President Trump's most vocal supporters. | 多年来,卡尔森一直是川普总统最有声望的支持者之一. |
| 7 | I mean, I've always agreed with Trump's policies, always. | 我一向同意特朗普的政策 |
| 8 | And here I am with a full throated, utterly sincere endorsement of Donald Trump. | 我对唐纳德·特朗普 完全真诚的支持 |
| 9 | But recently, Carlson has publicly broken with Trump. | 但最近卡尔森公开与特朗普断交. |
| 10 | He's not only come out against Trump's decision to go to war with Iran. | 他不仅出面反对川普决定与伊朗开战. |
| 11 | This is the single most foolish thing any American president has ever done. | 这是美国总统做过的最愚蠢的事 |
| 12 | He now says he regrets supporting the president. | 他现在对支持总统表示遗憾 |
| 13 | You know, we'll be tormented by it for a long time. | 我们会被它折磨很久 |
| 14 | I will be. | 我会的。 |
| 15 | And has become a vocal and influential critic of the administration. | 并成为了政府的声望和有影响力的批评者. |
| 16 | This whole thing is like dooming anyone connected to it for the foreseeable future, including | 这整件事就像在可预见的未来 折磨任何与之相关的人一样 |
| 17 | the entire Republican Party. | 整个共和党 |
| 18 | This puts Carlson at the center of a major battle on the right over Israel, over foreign | 这使得卡尔森成为了以色列和外国 右侧的一场大战的中心 |
| 19 | interventions and over the post-Trump world itself. | 以及特朗普后的世界本身。 |
| 20 | Here's my interview with Tucker Carlson. | 这是我的采访塔克・卡尔森。 |
| 21 | Tucker Carlson. | 塔克・卡尔森 |
| 22 | Thanks for having me. | 谢谢你邀请我 |
| 23 | Very excited for you to be here. | 很高兴你能来 |
| 24 | In Maine, we should say, any excuse to come to Maine is always a good reason. | 在缅因州,我们应该说,任何来缅因州的理由总是很好的理由. |
| 25 | Most people don't come to this part of Maine, so I'm grateful that you did. | 大多数人不来缅因州的这个地方 所以我很感激你这么做了 |
| 26 | It's all parts of Maine are good parts. | 缅因州的各个部分都是很好的部分. |
| 27 | I wanted to sit down with you for a number of reasons. | 我想跟你坐下来 有几个原因 |
| 28 | You've been at the center of conservative media, obviously, for a very long time. | 很明显,你一直站在保守媒体的中心 已经很久了 |
| 29 | By extension, it's politics. | 延伸而言,是政治. |
| 30 | And I want to get your perspective on this moment, on your evolution, your worldview. | 我想了解你对这个时刻的看法 你的进化,你的世界观 |
| 31 | You recently made quite a dramatic break with President Trump over the war in Iran. | 最近你和川普总统因伊朗战争而大为断交. |
| 32 | And so I'd love to hear about that. | 所以我很想听听这个 |
| 33 | I want to start, though, in the lead-up to the conflict. | 不过,我想从冲突开始。 |
| 34 | You said that you spoke to the president several times about the plan to attack Iran before | 你说过你跟总统说过几次 关于攻击伊朗的计划 |
| 35 | it actually happened on February 28th. | 发生在2月28日 |
| 36 | I'd love to hear a little bit about that. | 我很想听听这个 |
| 37 | Was it just you and the president in those meetings? | 你和总统在那些会议上吗? |
| 38 | Can you just give me a sense of what was going on there? | 你能告诉我发生了什么吗? |
| 39 | Well, I've been speaking to him about Iran for 10 years, literally since 2016, maybe | 我和他谈伊朗10年了 从2016年起 |
| 40 | 2015, because there was enormous pressure on him, as there has been on many presidents, | 2015年,因为他承受了巨大的压力, 就像许多总统一样, |
| 41 | to regime change Iran. | 伊朗政权更迭。 |
| 42 | And we know, based on our experience with a much smaller country, Iraq, that that's | 我们知道,根据我们对一个小得多的国家伊拉克的经验, |
| 43 | a tall order. | 一个高的订单。 |
| 44 | And it doesn't necessarily lead to a place you want to go. | 也不一定会导致你想去的地方. |
| 45 | And it's not good for the United States. | 亦不善于美国. |
| 46 | So anyway, and Trump knew that. | 总之,川普知道这一点。 |
| 47 | And that was one of the main reasons, the main reason, actually, that I supported him | 这也是我支持他的主要原因之一 |
| 48 | during my time at Fox News and campaigned for him. | 我在福克斯新闻时为他竞选 |
| 49 | And so it was really central to my views of Trump's candidacy and presidency. | 所以我对特朗普的竞选和总统职位 的看法非常关键 |
| 50 | And so when it became clear in June that we were starting down this road toward a regime | 所以当六月我们明白 我们正朝着政权的方向前进 |
| 51 | change war with Iran, I was just, well, I was baffled. | 改变与伊朗的战争, 我只是,嗯, 我感到困惑。 |
| 52 | I was very upset, not because I have allegiance to Iran, but because I thought it would be | 我非常难过,不是因为我效忠伊朗 而是因为我以为会 |
| 53 | terrible for the United States, as it has been, worse even than I imagined. | 对美国来说是可怕的 比我想象的还要糟糕 |
| 54 | But I could see exactly where this was going. | 但我能看清这是怎么回事 |
| 55 | And he was under enormous pressure to do this, once again, as all presidents in my lifetime | 他承受着巨大的压力 再一次做这个 作为我一生中所有总统 |
| 56 | have been. | 曾经是。 |
| 57 | So we talked a lot in June. | 我们在六月份聊了很多 |
| 58 | He embarked on this effort to take out Iran's nuclear program, which was really just the | 他开始努力消灭伊朗的核计划, |
| 59 | opening salvo and a regime change effort. | 开放萨尔沃和政权更迭努力. |
| 60 | He knew that. | 他知道这一点。 |
| 61 | I told him that. | 我告诉他了 |
| 62 | Charlie Kirk told him that. | 查理・柯克告诉他的 |
| 63 | We did it. | 我们成功了 |
| 64 | We got out. | 我们逃出来了 |
| 65 | And then it became clear this winter in January that we were really we were moving toward | 之后,今年一月的冬天 很明显,我们真的正在走向 |
| 66 | this thing that we're in now. | 这件事情,我们现在英寸 |
| 67 | And I was just absolutely panicked about it. | 我当时非常惊慌 |
| 68 | Did he explain to you why he wanted to take the country into war? | 他有没有向你解释他为什么要把国家带入战争? |
| 69 | I mean, I'm just trying to understand the dynamics of that conversation was what was | 我的意思是,我只是试图理解 动力的谈话是什么 |
| 70 | he? | 他吗? |
| 71 | Well, there are multiple conversations. | 嗯,有多种对话。 |
| 72 | I flew to Washington three times in the month before, five weeks, six weeks before, and | 前一个月我飞了三次华盛顿 5个星期 6个星期 |
| 73 | met with him in the Oval Office alone and people filing in and out with the White House | 独自在总统办公室和白宫的人见面 |
| 74 | Chief of Staff, the Secretary of State, et cetera, had lunch with him on one of those | 参谋长、国务卿等与他共进午餐 |
| 75 | occasions. | 有时候 |
| 76 | And I spoke to him by phone many times on this topic. | 我和他通过电话多次谈到这个话题。 |
| 77 | And he would begin almost every conversation with, do you want Iran to have a nuclear | 他开始几乎每一次对话, 你想伊朗有一个核 |
| 78 | weapon? | 武器吗? |
| 79 | To which I said, well, I'm sort of opposed to nuclear weapons. | 我说了 我有点反对核武器 |
| 80 | I don't want nuclear weapons. | 我不想要核武器。 |
| 81 | I don't want Israel to have a nuclear weapon. | 我不想以色列拥有核武器 |
| 82 | I don't want anyone to have a nuclear weapon. | 我不想任何人拥有核武器 |
| 83 | It doesn't seem like a good thing. | 这似乎不是一件好事。 |
| 84 | But that's not the question. | 但这不是问题所在 |
| 85 | The question is, what do you do about it? | 问题是,你该怎么办? |
| 86 | And that was kind of the end of the rationale for doing this. | 这就是这样做的理由的结束。 |
| 87 | He never seemed enthusiastic about it, ever. | 他从来就没这么热情过 |
| 88 | And I would say, well, you know, here are the potential effects of this. | 我想说,你知道, 这是潜在的效果。 |
| 89 | Obviously, the geography of Iran being the most important fact of Iran. | 显然,伊朗的地理是伊朗最重要的事实。 |
| 90 | Iran is not a military power. | 伊朗不是军事强国. |
| 91 | It's an economic power. | 这是一个经济强国. |
| 92 | that was obvious because it ... | 这很明显,因为... |
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