南希·佩洛西首次公开谈她和拜登说了什么 | 2026.8.1
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| 时间 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 0:01 | Do you regret not speaking up earlier about President Biden's decision to run for reelection | 拜登总统决定竞选连任 你后悔不早说吗 |
| 0:06 | in 2024? | 2024年吗? |
| 0:08 | No, I didn't really know, quite frankly. | 不,我真的不知道,相当坦率。 |
| 0:11 | Didn't know. | 没想到 |
| 0:12 | Let me just say what I did about Joe Biden, because it's been written about in a way that | 让我说一下我对乔·拜登所做的一切 因为它的写作方式 |
| 0:18 | it really didn't happen. | 它真的没有发生。 |
| 0:19 | All I said to him was this, and you're gonna hear this for the first time, and so is he. | 我跟他说的就是这个 你会第一次听到这个的 他也是 |
| 0:29 | I guess I'm writing. | 我想我在写作。 |
| 0:30 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 0:31 | I'm ready. | 我准备好了 |
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| 序号 | 英文 | 中文 |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Do you regret not speaking up earlier about President Biden's decision to run for reelection | 拜登总统决定竞选连任 你后悔不早说吗 |
| 2 | in 2024? | 2024年吗? |
| 3 | No, I didn't really know, quite frankly. | 不,我真的不知道,相当坦率。 |
| 4 | Didn't know. | 没想到 |
| 5 | Let me just say what I did about Joe Biden, because it's been written about in a way that | 让我说一下我对乔·拜登所做的一切 因为它的写作方式 |
| 6 | it really didn't happen. | 它真的没有发生。 |
| 7 | All I said to him was this, and you're gonna hear this for the first time, and so is he. | 我跟他说的就是这个 你会第一次听到这个的 他也是 |
| 8 | I guess I'm writing. | 我想我在写作。 |
| 9 | Go ahead. | 来吧。 |
| 10 | I'm ready. | 我准备好了 |
| 11 | I only said to President Biden, I've come to question the polling that you have and | 我只是对拜登总统说, 我开始质疑 你拥有和 |
| 12 | how your campaign is being conducted. | 你的竞选进展如何? |
| 13 | I think there has to be a better campaign to win the White House. | 我认为必须有一个更好的运动 赢得白宫。 |
| 14 | What do you say? | 你说什么? |
| 15 | And so, it's always a thing about women talking and all. | 所以,它总是一件事情 女人说话和所有。 |
| 16 | So, anyway, I said, now this is what I asked. | 所以,不管怎样,我说,这是我问的。 |
| 17 | I didn't ask him not to run or anything like that. | 我没有要求他不要跑 之类的事。 |
| 18 | This is what I asked. | 这就是我问的。 |
| 19 | I would hope that we could have some other pollsters come in and sit with your pollster | 我希望我们能有其他的民调员 和你的民调员一起来 |
| 20 | and discuss what they hear out there. | 讨论他们听到的 |
| 21 | At that point, 72% of the American people didn't think he should run or could serve | 当时,72%的美国人民 认为他不应该跑或可以服役 |
| 22 | a term. | 一个术语。 |
| 23 | I don't think he knew that. | 我不认为他知道这一点。 |
| 24 | So let's hear from some other pollsters, okay? | 让我们听听其他的民调,好吗? |
| 25 | And that can give us a real better… | 这能给我们更好的... |
| 26 | I'm not a big believer in polling in terms of who's ahead in a race, but I am believe | 我对投票不甚信服 但我相信 |
| 27 | in understanding what the public is thinking, because we represent them, so we have to know | 理解公众的想法,因为我们代表他们,所以我们必须知道 |
| 28 | that. | 那个 |
| 29 | So I thought that his poll… | 所以我认为他的民调... |
| 30 | Oh, listen to this. | 听着 |
| 31 | This is what they have to say, and I have to listen to that, but I said, that's interesting. | 这是他们必须说的,我必须听, 但我说,这很有趣。 |
| 32 | It may be right, but it may not, because right now, it ain't working. | 可能是对的,但可能不行 因为现在,它不起作用 |
| 33 | So I just think that for the campaign to continue and to prevail, which we must win, we should | 所以我认为,为了继续这场运动 并取得胜利,我们必须赢得胜利 |
| 34 | have other pollsters involved. | 有其他的民意测验员参与。 |
| 35 | And I did say this. | 我确实这么说的 |
| 36 | I think the public would like to hear that you've had testing that demonstrates that | 我想公众会想听到你已经测试过 |
| 37 | you can serve the next… | 你可以服务下一个... |
| 38 | A diagnostic from a doctor, yeah. | 医生诊断的 |
| 39 | Like that. | 像这样 |
| 40 | Right. | 对 |
| 41 | That's all I said. | 这就是我说的。 |
| 42 | I didn't… | 我没有... |
| 43 | Then they said, I told them not to run. | 然后他们说,我告诉他们不要跑。 |
| 44 | Never. | 从来没有。 |
| 45 | I've never told anybody not to run. | 我从来没有告诉任何人不要跑。 |
| 46 | Right. | 对 |
| 47 | How did he respond? | 他怎么回应的? |
| 48 | Can I ask you now? | 我能问你吗? |
| 49 | How did he respond? | 他怎么回应的? |
| 50 | Can I ask? | 我可以问吗? |
| 51 | He responded… | 他回应了... |
| 52 | We were prayerful. | 我们在祈祷 |
| 53 | You know, we were Catholic. | 我们是天主教徒 |
| 54 | We were prayerful. | 我们在祈祷 |
| 55 | We had our rosaries and all that, and we had a lovely meeting. | 我们有我们的日记和这一切, 我们有一个可爱的会议。 |
| 56 | It was only the two of us, except when he put somebody on the phone to talk about the | 只有我们两个人 除了他给别人打电话说 |
| 57 | polls. | 民调. |
| 58 | So whatever people said about it there didn't come from me or maybe it came from somebody | 所以不管人们说什么 都不是我或者别人说的 |
| 59 | in his staff, but none of his staff was really in the room. | 在他的手下, 但他的手下都没有真正在房间里。 |
| 60 | He said, I get tested every day and what I'm doing and the rest of that. | 他说,我每天接受测试 我在做什么和其余的。 |
| 61 | I said, I think people want to see something more in that regard. | 我说,我想人们想看到更多这方面的东西。 |
| 62 | And then I went from there to the MSNBC. | 然后我从那里去了MSNBC。 |
| 63 | Morning Joe. | 早乔. |
| 64 | And they asked me, this was a show of longstanding. | 他们问我,这是一场长期表演。 |
| 65 | I was going with… | 我本来是和... |
| 66 | Belarus. | 白俄罗斯。 |
| 67 | Thank you for remembering. | 谢谢你的回忆 |
| 68 | Belarus was… | 白俄罗斯... |
| 69 | This woman was elected president of Belarus, but the thugocracy that is there, beholden | 这名妇女当选白俄罗斯总统, 但那里的暴徒统治者,看 |
| 70 | to the thugocracy in Russia and other thugocracy, shall we say, would not let her serve, imprisoned | 对俄罗斯的暴政和其他暴政,我们说,不会让她服侍,监禁 |
| 71 | her husband, who was the candidate, and then she came, Svetlana is her name. | 她的丈夫,她是候选人, 然后她来了,斯维特兰娜是她的名字。 |
| 72 | She's a remarkable woman. | 她是一个了不起的女人。 |
| 73 | And I promised Svetlana early on, when her husband was in prison, he's out now, but | 我很早就答应过斯维特兰娜 当她丈夫在监狱里的时候 他现在不在了 |
| 74 | when he was in prison, that we would work hard to have him freed because the children | 当他在监狱里的时候,我们会努力让他获释 因为孩子们 |
| 75 | missed their dad and all that stuff. | 错过了他们的爸爸和所有的东西。 |
| 76 | And I said we would do this, this, this and this and one of them was I would go with her | 我说我们会做到这一点,这个,这个和这个 和其中一个是,我会和她去 |
| 77 | to MSNBC and talk about what's happening in Belarus because human rights have been | 并谈谈白俄罗斯正在发生的一切,因为人权一直是 |
| 78 | a big thing to me. | 对我很重要 |
| 79 | So, and of course, Belarus was important in terms of what it was doing in Ukraine and | 因此,当然,白俄罗斯对于它在乌克兰和俄罗斯境内从事的工作很重要。 |
| 80 | all that. | 这一切。 |
| 81 | So anyway, they asked the question, do you think, and I said that's up to the president. | 所以,不管怎样,他们问了这个问题,你觉得,我说这取决于总统。 |
| 82 | And that answer, which I thought was perfectly appropriate, that's up to the president, | 而这个答案,我认为是完全合适的, 这取决于总统, |
| 83 | was viewed as, I don't know, and so it grew into this thing. | 被看成,我不知道, 所以它成长成这个东西。 |
| 84 | I had never called anybody about this. | 我从来没有打电话给任何人 关于这一点。 |
| 85 | Never talked to anybody that I called. | 从没跟我打电话的人说过话 |
| 86 | Some people called me, I said, you have to do what you have to do because I want to come | 有人打电话给我,我说, 你必须做你必须做的 因为我想来 |
| 87 | out and say, shouldn't run, all this, I said, well, I'm not encouraging that. | 说,不应该跑,所有这一切, 我说,嗯,我不鼓励这一点。 |
| 88 | That's your business. | 这是你的事。 |
| 89 | Don't even tell me about it. | 别跟我说这些 |
| 90 | But when that happened, I was deluged with elected officials saying, you gave me a path. | 但当事情发生时,我被选举出来的官员说,你给了我一条路。 |
| 91 | I didn't intend to give you a path, but they took it as a path. | 我本来不打算给你一条路,但他们把它当作一条路. |
| 92 | And when you think of the debate and how sad that was, that's really when we learned. | 当你想到这场辩论, 以及那是多么的悲哀, 那真的是当我们学到。 |
| 93 | Because see, I had been speaker and when I was speaker, I saw the president all the time. | 因为,我曾经是演讲者 当我是演讲者时,我一直看到总统。 |
| 94 | But when I wasn't, then I saw maybe three times that whole year. | 但当我没有的时候, 然后我看到了可能 3倍的一年。 |
| 95 | And so I didn't know. | 故不识. |
| 96 | And I think he had his sort of ups and downs. | 我觉得他有他那种起伏。 |
| 97 | And when I saw him one time, he was giving me the Presidential Medal of Freedom. | 我见过他一次 他给了我自由总统勋章 |
| 98 | So that was a short event and he was perfectly fine that day, I thought. | 所以,这是一个短暂的事件 他完全罚款的那一天,我想。 |
| 99 | And so I didn't know. | 故不识. |
| 100 | But I do think that those who did know should have acted upon that information, whatever | 但我确实认为那些知道的人 应该根据这个信息采取行动,不管... |
| 101 | that means. | 这意味着。 |
| 102 | The staff and his family, both you mean? | 员工和家人,你都是指? |
| 103 | Well, whoever knew. | 好吧,谁知道。 |
| 104 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 105 | Whoever knew. | 谁知道。 |
| 106 | The staff is saying the family knew, the family is saying the staff knew. | 工作人员说家人知道,家人说工作人员知道。 |
| 107 | I don't know. | 师曰. |
| 108 | But they should have acted sooner. | 但他们应该早点采取行动。 |
| 109 | They should have because this was a great man. | 他们应该有,因为这是一个伟大的人。 |
| 110 | He had, when we had the two years with him and in the majority, did great things. | 当我们与他共事两年时,他做了很多大事。 |
| 111 | We had the rescue package, the rescue from COVID. | 我们有救援包,从COVID的救援。 |
| 112 | We had the Chips Act. | 我们有芯片法案。 |
| 113 | We had the infrastructure bill. | 我们有基础设施法案。 |
| 114 | We had the PACT Act to honor our veterans. | 我们有PACT法案 来纪念我们的退伍军人。 |
| 115 | We had IRA to save the planet. | 我们让爱尔兰共和军拯救地球 |
| 116 | He did remarkable things. | 他做了令人瞩目的事情。 |
| 117 | Many people said it was a phenomenal presidency on a par with what LBJ did, but in a short | 许多人说,这是一个惊人的总统职位 与LBJ一样,但简言之, |
| 118 | period of time. | 期限。 |
| 119 | And then, again, that happened. | 然后,再次,发生了。 |
| 120 | But in any case, he was, he's wonderful and everything, I'm sorry to hear about what | 但无论如何,他是, 他的美妙和一切, 我很抱歉听到什么 |
| 121 | his son has said about his illness. | 他儿子说他生病了 |
| 122 | But Joe Biden was a great president, accomplished a great deal. | 但是乔·拜登是一个伟大的总统,成就了巨大的成就. |
| 123 | He just didn't advertise it. | 他只是没有广告。 |
| 124 | Lincoln said public sentiment is everything. | 林肯说公众情绪就是一切 |
| 125 | With it, you can accomplish almost anything without it, practically nothing. | 有了它,你几乎可以完成任何事情 没有它,几乎什么都没有。 |
| 126 | You've heard me say that, but public sentiment to prevail, people have to know. | 你听到我说的了,但公众情绪要占上风,人们必须知道. |
| 127 | So you have to use your balding pulpit if you're president, I said, tell people what | 所以,你必须使用你的秃头 脉管 如果你是主席,我说,告诉人们什么 |
| 128 | you have done. | 你已经做了。 |
| 129 | And he did great things. | 他做了伟大的事情。 |
| 130 | Well, thanks for that contribution to the historical record. | 谢谢你对历史记录的贡献 |
| 131 | I said I was gonna ask you about the past and that was incredibly vivid accounting that | 我说我要问你过去的事 这真是生动的记述 |
| 132 | I think will be very useful, especially the part about him not getting the diagnostic | 我觉得会很有用 尤其是他没有得到诊断 |
| 133 | test that I think could have helped clear some of these concerns. | 我认为可以帮助澄清这些关切。 |
| 134 | I don't know that he didn't. | 我不知道他没有。 |
| 135 | Yeah. | 对 |
| 136 | Eventually. | 最终 |
| 137 | I don't think he ever did. | 我觉得他从来没有 |
| 138 | Tingo! | 丁戈 丁戈 丁戈 丁戈 丁戈 丁戈 丁戈 丁戈 丁戈 丁戈 丁戈 |
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